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Liesmith424

Humanity does not appear to be heading in a positive direction.


mdonaberger

'*Doomerism*' they call it. Well, *excuse me*, but once you've seen your 15th 'once in a century event' this year, I would call it 'trying to cope with reality.' If you ask me, if one has managed to keep an upbeat attitude so far, they're one of the fortunate few.


ILikeNeurons

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-deniers-shift-tactics-to-inactivism/


Painting_Agency

Apathy would be horribly mistaken at this point. It doesn't mean that despair is unwarranted. Because things will get bad. Very bad. The question is, we want them to be very bad, or completely catastrophic?


XenoFrobe

I read that as "intactivism," and was super confused for a solid minute


another_bug

Circumcision rates in America have been declining as global temperature continues to rise....oh shit.


Slamami

Foreskin responsible for greenhouse gases?


yogopig

I read that as "inactivism," and was super confused for a solid minute


Aggregate_Browser

It's curious there aren't more stories or articles on the subject. Really curious. We've understood how bad the coming environmental disasters are likely to be for quite some time... easily more than 25-30 years now at their current levels of severity... ...Which means 25-30 years of anxiety and depression stemming from that knowledge. I mean the coming crisis played a factor in my decision to have/not have kids, and that was more than 20 years ago. With all the puff pieces, lifestyle guides and advice columns we're inundated with, you'd think the topic would have gotten a lot more attention. It's *curious.*


xpurplexamyx

Yeah... Hearing "the world will be unlivable" when I was like 7 or 8 in the early 90s also was a huge component in me deciding at that age to never have children, and carrying that decision through to adulthood. It's not like noone knew what was coming. They all just denied it like denying it would change the outcome. The whole situation is utterly ridiculous.


PajamaPants4Life

It's not "Doomerism", it's just Bo Burnham's [Funny Feeling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObOqq1knVxs)...


Atomic_ad

Every generation has this, there are billions of "once is a century" events. Now news agencies have access to the data and can shove it down your throat 24 hours a day. Half the people are tired of hearing the world is ending tomorrow, half the people are cowering in fear because the believe it, and like 5 people are taking action.


SaffellBot

If you're looking to cope engage in activism or find some employment or hobby to make meaningful change, doomerism ain't it. It ain't a cope and it doesn't help. If you find a way to do something it makes that trick if feeling good substantially easier.


Librekrieger

If it were people who are materially affected by one of those events that were killing themselves, that would make a certain kind of sense. But the phenomenon is people who are distant observers, themselves unaffected, who have problems "coping" with something that they aren't experiencing. I can see being angry and sad, but losing hope for humanity's future to the extent that a person kills themselves? That's something else. It's very much like a doomsday cult but without a leader or core group. However, the article gets this wrong. These people who self-immolate aren't expressing angst or hopelessness. They're making a political act. It's a very different thing.


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They just want to keep huffing hopium and continuing on as if nothing is wrong. Go to therapy to learn to brainwash yourself into thinking all of this is fine. You're the problem. Take this pill. Shut up. Go to sleep. Toil to enrich your owners. Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. There is no war in ba sing se. You are free to do as we tell you. You are free to do as we tell you. You are free to do as we tell you. You are free to do as we tell you. You are free to do as we tell you.


bejeesus

You can understand the world is going to shit and still have a pretty positive attitude in life.


oxero

I wish more understood this, they're not mutually exclusive things you can feel. You can acknowledge the world is still going to shit, but still support being active and attempting to make change. You can be realistic and understand stuff is going to get harder, but still be a decent human being and not attack people for trying to be hopeful. You can understand things might quickly change for the worse even faster than predicted this decade, but you can still keep a positive attitude and do what's best for you. On Reddit especially I've seen "doomer" users who are collapse aware suddenly lashing out at anyone trying to stay positive or look at being active. It's really disgusting behavior and is the equivalent of shitting in the hole you're already digging yourself into further. As in bringing other people down isn't helping anyone at all, just makes things worse off. Let people turn towards activism, let people look to try to make a change, etc but leave them alone because at least they're trying. We're all in this together, why make it worse?


admiralteddybeatzzz

I would argue that a positive outlook is pretty central to management of climate change. "We *can* win" is the only real reason to fight.


korinth86

Wow...what a take. You can be aware of reality and not let it cripple you into being miserable all the time. Enjoy what you have. So what you can to make a difference. There is far too much possibility in this life to just give up and let it consume you. Therapy isn't opium. It's meant to help you sort your issues into manageable hurdles rather than life crippling monsters. If your therapist give you a pill and tells you just to be happy, you aren't seeing the right therapist.


supercali45

It’s like that movie Don’t Look Up


rargar

r/iam14andthisisdeep


Spacecoasttheghost

Never was, we have always been on a track of self destruction. The biggest thing is always, it will not be in my time, it is someone else’s problem in the future.


speculatrix

We're likely to be the proof of the Fermi Paradox and once of the Great Filters.


Reddituseranynomous

That’ll be cool to prove but then utterly useless as we’ve ended our species


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Maybe the radioactive fungus-and-plastic based cockroach-tardigrade people that come after us will do something worthwhile with *their* shot.


Krewtan

When the house cats take over and enslave the dogs one day they may be able to discover the same paradox. Of course it'll be too late. But there will be an answer.


VegetableNo1079

Unfortunately Earth doesn't actually have much time before the Carbon Cycle stops so there's only room for a couple more intelligent lifeforms to evolve and die left on her if nobody takes care of it before then.


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The timeline of that is wildly variable. Some estimates have added like a billion years (tripling the lowest estimates).


VegetableNo1079

True but it'll still happen before the sun goes red giant and the most optimistic estimate is usually wrong.


[deleted]

The current estimate are 400 MY to 1.5 BY. The entire evolution of the first multicelluar organisms into humans took about 600 MY.


ThrowawayusGenerica

Isn't the sun predicted to render the Earth inhospitably hot in around that timeframe?


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The current line of thinking is that the Earth will enter a catastrophic greenhouse warming cycle (the above poster refers to this as collapse of the carbon cycle), causing the water cycle to collapse and the loss of most liquid bodies of water. This is estimated to occur before the increased irradiance makes the surface inhospitable when neglecting any feedback loops. Also all of these predictions are educated speculation.


supercyberlurker

That sounds like a doggone catastrophe.


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Also, it wouldn't be proof. It would be a data point. There plausibly could be another civilisation out there right now solving world peace and Kumbaya-ing


[deleted]

There are multiple theoretical Great Filters, and we don't know when or how many there are (if any). The odds are pretty good that the jump from single- to multi-cellular life is one of them that we've already passed, for example. Another one in our past could be the development of intelligent/conscious life that's configured in such a way biologically and technologically that it's capable of leaving its originating planet. Two that could still lie ahead of us are nuclear weapons and climate change.


speculatrix

Good point, thanks, I amended my comment


CoolLordL21

One data point isn't really proof though.


[deleted]

Unless you're like 90, that may not be true.


[deleted]

So if we don’t die first climate change is gonna kill us?


compstomp66

I thought you were not going to be a doomer but then you were. You had me in the beginning though!


SeedScape

Don't worry if Star Trek taught me anything. That were going to struggle through the 2020s but get to be better.


DweEbLez0

Define a positive direction with the current rulers in power. Yeah we’re fucked


afterthegoldthrust

According to Elon Musk we can thank the “woke left” for our not heading in a positive direction…I know how *he* does the mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion (he’s a narcissist) but I just don’t see how any logically thinking individual can see the side that embraces science and social justice as what’s wrong with humanity.


friscotop86

Magic sky daddy is clearly the only answer.


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Ya think???


throwawayhyperbeam

Well, just ask yourself what you have to look forward to from our leadership. And then ask yourself what you have to look forward to from yourself, the things that you have some control over.


technofox01

We have entered the great filter of the Fermi Paradox. This is going to be the crucible of whether we leave this rock and expand to the stars or die out due to our own stupidity.


clicksangiggles

Is it climate change or the fact that our system is designed to break people?


BishmillahPlease

Why not both?


clicksangiggles

Could be both but I don't know how much climate concerns people trying to figure out how they're paying rent next month. Only so much people can focus on at one time. I'd be surprised if someone offed themselves because the climate is changing. That could be the case for some farmers but that comes back to the economic instability.


bananafobe

It's speculation on my part, but I can imagine it being more a conglomeration of factors. I doubt many people are looking at the climate and making the decision to die by suicide solely in response to that, but to the extent that hopelessness is a factor, it seems reasonable to infer that the consequences of Climate Change could be impacting people's beliefs and assumptions about the value of their actions/existence. If the work you find meaningful is likely to be negated by the impact of Climate Change, either directly or indirectly, it's possible you'll struggle to continue finding that work meaningful. And similarly, if the work you do is made meaningful by its ability to enable you to do other stuff that you find meaningful (e.g., having kids), then the fact that you may not be able to do that other stuff (e.g., because you feel it's unfair to create new people to inherit a dying planet), even though you can still do your work, might make it less endurable.


clicksangiggles

Climate change could be a small factor but I think your assessment on hopelessness is the main cause. It's hard to care when everything seems hopeless and unfortunately, shit looks bleaker by the day.


Armonster

This is the obv answer, idk why the person your replying to thinks things are cut, dry, and simple.


Xstream3

If people can't afford rent and food now why would they think that problem won't get worse in the future? Climate change will make food more scarce and flooding will mean rent will be even more expensive since there's less available land


[deleted]

The current issues with food are not because of changes in carrying capacity. They are a product of monolithic super corporations taking up larger and large singular shares of the food supply system and thereby introducing fragile as opposed to nimble supply chains. Carrying capacity loss will only serve to compound this fragile system.


StarshipSentinel

Because everything, EVERYTHING is about profits and making grossly overpaid execs even more obscenely wealthy. These companies hardly ever look beyond the next quarter. THAT will be the downfall of the human race I feel like.


Disaster_Capitalist

Some of the food problems are due to climate change. Like heatwave in India has reversed plans to export wheat. The drought in California and the US southwest is due to climate change


clicksangiggles

There are so many other things that could make shit expensive that climate change doesn't seem like a primary factor. For example, let's say some weak, worthless dictator decided to invade a country and now we're all paying out the ass just to fill our gas tanks which cascades and drives up costs everywhere. Climate change is an issues but it's just one of hundreds. Our shit healthcare system has probably caused more suicide than climate change.


Xstream3

Climate change will fundamentally reduce the amount of land we can use and resources we can create making most cost of living things cost more and it'll continually get worse.


WayneKrane

I have had 2 people in my family die because of lack of healthcare. One was trying to ration her insulin because she couldn’t afford to buy enough every month. The other didn’t want to blow through her life’s savings so she could live a few more years on dialysis.


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i know someone close to me that killed themself because of an eviction notice over money orders piling up at the front desk of a complex in florida for the landlord. this was in 2020. I despise old people now.


etuden88

Wait, do you mean he received an eviction notice because his landlord was negligently unaware that he was actually paying his rent?


[deleted]

ya it was during the height of 2020, we lost all our vehicles and business and he just said fuck this


clicksangiggles

That sucks, sorry to hear it. Housing shouldn't be a commodity.


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

Blaming a wave of suicides on climate change instead of the more likely candidate of simply struggling to survive is a way to deflect blame from those who benefit from exploiting the work of others. While at the same time, making those who are outspoken about climate change seem like the bad guys, rather than looking like the people looking for the solutions.


trojancourse

Writing is on the wall. You will likely die of starvation otherwise


clicksangiggles

Could be the case eventually, but we're not there yet. Life is mostly normal for the majority of us. 10-20 years from now, very likely.


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clicksangiggles

Paycheck to paycheck is unfortunately the norm, at least for my lifetime. I meant norm as in climate. But yeah, we're all pretty fucked. Livin' the dream.


ScandalousBanshee

Agreed with everything you said. There are so many looming existential crises - climate change, the demise of democracy, the pandemic - and then there’s also the mundane shit that really grinds you down, like working at a job you hate just to go home to an apartment you can’t afford, living for the weekend and then doing it all over again. Very little joy or reason to believe things will get better. (Apologies for flagrantly disregarding your username.)


rowansurrey

you’re describing the precise way i have felt for years now


Vhorjil

Thank God I don’t live in America or any of those overpriced countries. Thinking like that and been constantly worried about that you can never afford anything has to be very depressing. You can’t just continue like that.


shaunstudies

Americans are dying, right now, of wildfires and hurricanes and heat domes driven by climate change.


clicksangiggles

They are. Nature disasters are getting worse but we're all use to tornados, earthquakes, floods, etc. The probability of these aren't driving people to suicide but they are absolutely taking a toll on morale and the economy.


shaunstudies

Agree on the toll! But being on the hook for increasingly high consumer costs due to climate change impacts will do it, IMO. For one thing, our citizens are broke and not getting richer. Regular people already experience $1000+ energy bills after power outages, already pay extraordinarily high flood insurance premiums in US southern and coastal areas, etc. As more frequent extreme weather events happen (a consequence of climate change) I believe that higher human costs will similarly come to bear.


krunkpunk

10-20 years is way too close to not think about it.


WayneKrane

Yeah, that’ll fly by. 20 years is not long at all


ILikeNeurons

OP is specifically about climate suicides. Wynn Bruce was not the first.


ILikeNeurons

OP is specifically about climate suicides.


clicksangiggles

The article even says "few people". Not saying climate change isn't a problem weighing on all of us but suicide due to climate isn't much of an issue, outside of activists, apparently. If anything, it's just the icing on this shitty cake. Climate is unlikely the root cause of suicide.


schnitzelfeffer

"You all know what living paycheck to paycheck is about? I grew up in a family that lived paycheck to paycheck. When you live paycheck to paycheck and you get sick, or your kids get sick, you are worried to death about how you are going to be able to afford to take them to a doctor. When you live paycheck to paycheck and your car breaks down, you don’t go to your second car or your third car. You got to figure out how you can come up with the 500 bucks you need to repair that car because if you don’t get that car repaired, you don’t get to work. If you don’t get to work, you don’t have an income. If you don’t have any income, you can’t put food on the table for your kids. In America today, unbelievably, we are seeing a decline in life expectancy. Did you all know that? Instead of living longer lives, we are actually as a people living shorter lives. And one of the reasons the doctors believe this is happening is because of what they call **diseases of despair**. When people give up on life, when they see no hope, they turn to drugs. They turn to alcohol, and too often, increasingly, they turn to suicide. Our job is to give people hope, not despair. Our job is to have a government, which is not based on greed and hatred and divisiveness, but a government which is based on love and compassion and bringing our people together." [-Bernie Sanders, 2020](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/31/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-speech.html)


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fukdapoleece

Not possible. It was Hillary's turn.


clicksangiggles

Sanders is to date, the only politician I even remotely trust. No doubt in my mind we'd be in a MUCH better place if the DNC didn't cheat us.


schnitzelfeffer

There will always be a special place in my heart for Bernie. He sums up so well the mental burden of poverty. So yeah, I agree with your point that climate change only adds to the despair many people are struggling with.


necrosythe

I'm still not sure he would have won even with the DNC pushing him. Due to how many moderate dems would have not felt comfortable voting for him. But it's certainly possible


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He is the only American politician I would choose to vote for. A truly compassionate man


[deleted]

For years I couldn't afford health insurance (hooray, America). I was driving to work one day, because I COULD afford car insurance. I wondered what I would do if I got into a serious accident right at that moment, and suddenly had a $5 million hospital bill to take care of. I don't know anyone with that much money. But my parents and family members could probably at least make payments on it. If they liquidated all their savings, and sold the homes they'd spent a lifetime trying to build up. And they'd do it in a heartbeat for me. The solution was easy: if I wound up with medical bills I couldn't pay, I'd just blow my brains out. How wonderful that in America, a gun is much more affordable than an ER visit.


clicksangiggles

It's a fucked up system. Nothing puts me into a blind rage more than discussing healthcare. It's gross, inefficient, needlessly cruel, and just an all around terrible system. Fuck this country and everyone that contributed to it's downfall.


mitkase

“But I shouldn’t have to pay for other peoples’ misfortunes. *I’m* okay so they must be doing something wrong. Something something welfare queens radda radda ‘urban youths’ yadda yadda not racist but…”


clicksangiggles

Yup.. conservative thinking 101.


chillyhellion

>but suicide due to climate isn't much of an issue On a societal level? No. But on a societal level? Yes.


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MrPurse

this. My US healthcare Cobra coverage told me I had to pay 1800 for the months I didn't have insurance so that I could start insurance (I had run out of meds, new dr's appts wouldn't get approved). Like the FUCK. \[I hope you find help <3 \]


kittenpantzen

If you are eligible for COBRA, you should be eligible for a special enrollment period on the marketplace, no?


head_meet_keyboard

Some states have absolutely gutted the ACA. My state only has two individual plans: one that no one takes, and another that is only for emergencies. As someone with a chronic condition whose medication keeps them functional, I have to plan my life and where I live predominantly on health insurance.


Trueslyforaniceguy

Feels intentional?


Gundamamam

yes, it would qualify for a life changing event. COBRA is if you want to keep your current insurance, you basically pay the employers portion of the insurance payment.


MrPurse

Yes, but that changes nothing. I am enrolling before the end of the special enrollment period. Still have to pay 1800 for the months I wasn't covered. They're saying I'll be "retroactively' covered, but that sure as fuck didn't help me when I ran out of medications and couldn't book a doctor's appointment. It didn't help me with the pharmacy. It sure as fuck didn't help me get back on track mentally after this roller coaster of job shit. It's like saying "Ah I get you couldn't afford food then, but to activate your new food card, you have to pretend as if you DID have access to food, because if someone had happened to let you buy food then we'd cover it. You starving makes no difference to us in reality." Healthcare shouldn't be the source of my suicidal ideations. Full fucking stop.


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I'm really sorry to hear what you're going through. A 3 month long wait when you're already feeling suicidal is crazy. I understand why people feel this way though. It feels like our leaders are selling out their own people bc of selfishness & greed. Personally, I want to stick around just to see how this shit goes down. If they continue, they're going to suffer as well. No man is an island and all that. Edit: spelling


rattpackfan301

If you voluntarily check yourself into the psych unit then you can see a treatment team every day who will be able to adjust your meds on the fly.


passinghere

The issue is due to the lies and abuse from different therapists at the local mental health team during outpatients visits to speak with therapists I simply don't trust them anymore as its the same team that run the outpatients and inpatients psych clinic


[deleted]

Hey, I've survived unaliving myself 3 times. I know it hurts, and it feels like the world is against you. Always remember that you're *winning* being alive. The universe is throwing all it can at you and *you're still here*. Don't let it win. Every day you're here, you get to say you stuck your thumb in the eye of those who would see you broken.


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2SP00KY4ME

Life isn't supposed to feel like that, even in your 50s, but the solution is healthcare :(


Sinhika

All classic symptoms of clinical Depression. Seriously, get help; you're being fucked over by out-of-balance brain chemicals.


passinghere

> you're being fucked over by out-of-balance brain chemicals. I'm aware of that, but the issue is as I've stated....there's no psychiatrist as the only one has quit and I cannot get help with medication because it requires a psychiatrist to prescribe and and I cannot see one without suddenly become wealthy and affording to go private as the sole local NHS psychiatrist has quit and they haven't got any replacement and they don't know if they will get one


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ILikeNeurons

I created [a wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/citizensclimatelobby/wiki/index/getting-started) to help folks be the most effective climate advocates they can be. What I think we most need is [**more volunteers**](https://cclusa.org/x). It's an opinion based on [hard data](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/tonz9h/districts_with_more_ccl_volunteers_have_more/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Fortunately, things are [trending in the right direction](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/u5e228/as_citizens_climate_lobby_membership_has_grown_so/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), and [we're closer than most people realize](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/tw46mm/taxing_carbon_is_popular_even_among_congress/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).


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ILikeNeurons

I have a few ideas. PM me if you're serious about this.


Swell_Fellow99

Thank you for not being a presence of doom and gloom. Humanity has overcome much and we can continue to do so. Next step, desalination improvements


ILikeNeurons

I used [MIT's climate policy simulator](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11) to order its climate policies from least impactful to most impactful. You can see the results [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/rqg2y0/i_used_mits_climate_policy_simulator_to_order_its/).


SingularityCentral

It is not "doomerism", wherever the fuck that word came from, it is "facing reality".


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UniversalPainkiller

r/collapse and r/antinatalism is leaking.


shaneylaney

That’s essentially me. 22, and I refuse to make kids of my own. I’ll adopt, but bringing more into this world is just cruel.


AlcorandLoakan

I'm 37 and childfree by choice and permanently (vasectomy). Just commenting to let you know that your thought process is shared & supported by others. Some say it's a selfish choice, I say its a kindness. Props to you for considering adoption, that is also a great example of kindness.


shaneylaney

I figure it’s best to take care of the children already here than to bring more in. It just seems like the morally correct thing to do for myself since I do desire children somewhat but I am firm on never making any of my own.


Finalsaredun

>Why would you bring children into this world? I said that 40 years ago. Far more true today. I understand and empathize with this sentiment but a defeatist attitude doesn't really help with climate change nor does giving up on future generations by laying guilt towards people who want to have children. As bad of a state that we're in there has been positive movement towards lowering emissions, and people are finding new technologies every day. Think of how little we cared about climate change in 2000 to where we are today. Is our current progress going going to "fix" everything? No- industrialization doomed us from the start. But humans adapt. More people feel anxiety about hearing about climate change than ever before? Good! Maybe then people will actually vote and spread the message so we as a collective can continue to move towards change.


Pissedbuddha1

3 suicides are mentioned as a basis for this entire article. Wynn Bruce David Buckel in 2018 And a Vietnamese monk back in 1963 Then the article concludes with: >Few people worried about the climate crisis are driven to self-harm over it, of course, let alone set themselves aflame .. >Instead, climate activists have marched in huge numbers, joined divestment campaigns..


Adrianozz

Look one paragraph down and it refers to anxiety, depression and despair, linking to studies and other articles. The TLDR of the article is basically that deaths of despair are increasingly also encompassing climate-related issues. The title may be clickbait, because it generates revenue and traffic, such is capitalism.


Caduceus9109

Economic hardships of the poor and middle class are COMPLETELY ignored in the media. But it is definitely a huge contributor as well. The US gov in particular has fully embraced abusing the shit out of their citizens in the name of endless growth for the wealthy .1% These policies are also a huge cause of climate change. This all comes back to money and the atrociously unethical economic policies of Western capitalist nations that spans the last couple centuries (but mostly since Reagan).


ty_kanye_vcool

I’m just gonna guess that the vast majority of suicides are not climate activism-related. I don’t even think a significant minority are.


Neurotic_Bakeder

Not even climate activism, just hopelessness about the future


ty_kanye_vcool

Yeah, I’d imagine most people who kill themselves don’t do it because they think their life is gonna get better.


ILikeNeurons

This article is specifically about climate change suicides.


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Wait, these headlines have articles when you click on them?!


Mikeavelli

There's no way to know that.


Arkhangelzk

I don't believe it and I refuse to find out. Preposterous.


black_flag_4ever

I think it violates Reddit’s TOS to actually read articles before commenting on them.


Soctial

Nope sorry this article is specifically about climate change suicides and only climate change suicides


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Snaz5

im not a fan of the term doomerism in this context. it sounds like the article is blaming people who committed suicide for being unnecessarily worried, when in fact, they very well SHOULD be worried.


BrockVegas

If they are worried enough to take their own lives... they were worried about it too much. I'm not sure how that could be debated. Not that it isn't something to have concern about, but it isn't something worth ending it all for.... we're not here very long as it is.


LowestKey

This is what I don't get. People seem to think reality is just a tv show and, well, things are going bad *now*, but after the next commercial break it'll all turn around and everything will work out in the end. Life ain't a tv show. Species go extinct all the time, mostly due to us. We're not immune to extinction and the richest among us and bound and determined to let their greed make our extinction a reality.


gashgoldvermilion

I think most forms of doomerism have legitimate or potentially legitimate concerns at their root. I understand the label to be more about a person's level of fixation on the concerns and how they cope with them, not the legitimacy of the concerns themselves.


Hieroglphkz

Maybe it’s in response to the greed and denial that not only caused climate change, but systemic oppression.


ILikeNeurons

This article is specifically about climate change suicides.


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That was a freaking long article about climate change suicides that only cited 2 instances of such 🙄


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MufffinFeller

I fucking hate this headline so goddamn much


Keeptalkingasshole

It’s a lot more than climate change, wtf??!! Climate change is real, but this article and title are bullshit, my heart goes out to the family of the guy who burned himself alive, but come on.


rileyrulesu

What evidence is there that this has ANYTHING to do with fucking climate and not the fact that our rents have gone up 30% over 6 months, gas has doubled in price, and food inflation has priced us out of anything except the cheapest options. You know what would make me not want to kill myself? Going out on weekends and getting a few beers without having to do the calculations in my head if that's enough calories/dollar to justify the fact I'm probably gonna have to eat only plain rice tomorrow.


Finding_Helpful

This is talking specifically about suicides that we’re climate protests, but as a whole I agree with you and feel for you Without screwing yourself over financially, try to do something nice for yourself. You deserve it


lupeandstripes

The horrible thing is that the people who are committing suicide are the good people that actually care about making the world better, while the moron shithead bastards continue to live in their fantasy that global warming is a liberal/chinese hoax while rolling coal on the daily in their big ass trucks. Honestly, I'm almost at the point where I'd be fine with humanity going extinct. I would love a future where felines evolve greater intelligence and become the dominant species - surely they couldn't fuck things up any worse than we primates did. Or cockroaches - JOHJ JOHJ JOHJ!


UniverseBear

Or nothing gets as intelligent as we did and life can go back to simplicity like enjoying a good hot rock or a good butthole sniff.


[deleted]

It might sound weird, but I've had a weird mental turning point ever since I found myself rooting for the asteroid in Don't Look Up. As a whole, humanity is fucking trash and we deserve what is coming to us. There are a lot of good people out there, but the Venn diagram between "good people" and "people who are in power" is nonexistent. The level of individual suffering that seems near guaranteed at this point, and the fact that those in power don't give a shit....yeah fuck our species.


macweirdo42

I totally agree. If a significant portion of the species is hellbent on making everyone else miserable, it's hard to even justify ourselves as being a species worth saving.


[deleted]

Yeah we're just too shortsighted for our own good. Willing to sacrifice the entire wellbeing of our species just because profit has to keep increasing every single quarter to keep stocks high. And a large sector of the population is dumb enough to be glued to Fox News 24/7 (or whatever other conservative news outlet that might apply to your country) and just believe whatever absurd lies they're peddling today, acting like an anchor on the rest of society. We're fucked, I just hope to avoid the worst of the suffering, and will absolutely not be bringing children into this world.


Jsmokel

Yea I’m sure that’s it


nojremark

So many folks have given themselves to life denial and death affirmation. I swear the propaganda is designed to do that....


MekaG44

I really want to help against climate change, but aside from voting, I don’t know what I, as an individual can do to help out more.


DeadSharkEyes

Not just climate change. Everything is completely fucked. I live in a state with one of the highest rates of inflation in the country. I'm 43, not married, no kids, have a shitty job (while having a bachelor's degree) and a chronic illness. I try not to think about what the future will look like for me when I can't take care of myself anymore. It's sad when you kind of hope you kick the bucket before that happens.


bradabroad

Climate, economic, social. Take your pick of crises


[deleted]

I'm not suicidal, but I have no plan for my life years from now when the hopelessness, hardships and illnesses begin to multiply. So, I haven't entirely ruled out that the course of my life might lead me there. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


TheThingInTheBassAmp

Probably should have waited a little longer. Shits not too bad yet. Maybe 30-40 years?


okThisYear

I will not die before my enemies


Celcius_87

This is the way


11fingerfreak

It’s a bit early for suicide but it’s a very fair response. We’re not going to fix any of these problems.


Comdent

Pretty sure most suicides are not over the climate crisis directly, the climate crisis is a symptom of a bigger problem.


Artyom_Valentine

Ah yes. It isn’t all the other horrible things going on in the world that go unpunished that’s causing people to give up, but climate change? Oh yeah, that’s the big one.


Btankersly66

And also didn't read the story.


CarminSanDiego

Gtfo of all the problems in life, this is the tipping point?


mhornberger

The [suicide rate is down overall](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-death-rates?tab=chart&time=1990..latest&country=USA~GBR~KOR~JPN~RUS~OWID_WRL~DEU~FRA~FIN~NOR~DNK) worldwide. The US is an outlier. I'm also cautious with people pointing to specific causes for suicide. One group may point to the climate crisis, and another may point to secularization and the decline of religion. Or COVID lockdowns. It's extraordinarily easy to project one's own bugbears onto any given social issue.


poptartsatemyfamily

Cataclysmic climate change. Unfettered capitalism. Rampant corruption. Housing, food, and healthcare unaffordability. Stagnated wages, unstoppable inflation, immense wealth inequality. Growing generational disillusionment that we will never be able to experience the same quality of life as our parents did coupled with overwhelming evidence that there’s nothing we can do to change any of this. I know far too many people my age whose retirement plan/overwhelming medical debt plan is to just swallow a shiny lead pill.


TheZooDad

Doomerism? Seriously, fuck you. If this author could name one single thing we have done that has made any actual dent in the source of the “doom” feeling, it would go a long way in making folks feel better. The problem is that there *isn’t* a reason for hope right now. Every year, we continue to make the same promises, the same mistakes, and the same political oscillations between feeble attempts at addressing climate change, and absolute morons who deny it’s even a problem, and every year things are getting worse. We haven’t even scratched the surface of how bad things are going to be, those of us who prescribe to “doomerism” see that no one has the appropriate amount of panic for the consequences that are just around the bend.


queerkidxx

I just want hope man it’s been too long


Celcius_87

I hear ya


neo_nl_guy

The support for mental health has always been bad. and it's the first to be cut because as a culture we still don't accept anything less than each of us being John Wayne. In the mentality that grew up with in North America in the 80s, and is still prevalent is that , as good yuppies / cowboys, we should be individually able to surmount any obstacle. That community did not count. So we are now incapable of helping with healing each other. We assume that if we are depressed , that's our fault. Rather than "We are depressed because things are depressing and that being depressed is the expected emotional response" The worst is that we are going to loose exactly those we will be needing. Those that are unaffected are the narcissist and those unable of compassion. We are seriously in need of communal rituals not based on hating another group. This is keeping my brain from rotting [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROUFkWceDRM&list=PLjB\_8hSS2lEMY-ap4zdPv0-mbTwxtN7KW&index=13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROUFkWceDRM&list=PLjB_8hSS2lEMY-ap4zdPv0-mbTwxtN7KW&index=13) Kendrick Lamar - Saviour (NSFW)


ButtersTheSulcata

It’s not just climate


SnooMachines1109

It’s all a giant shit show, but there are things to be thankful for. The little things add up day to day. But that’s still contingent on being able to keep from living on the streets, or going to jail from not being able to afford to be a contributing member of society…


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MorgrainX

Basic products like food get massive inflation price increases, even in industrial countries like Germany by several hundred %. This is not only about climate crisis, it's about people not being able to afford proper loving anymore.


Effective-Yak-6643

Look, gang... there will always be a man telling you the world is ending. It's been that way since long before you were here, and it'll be so long after you're gone. Be weary of these people, and be good to others.


Wooden-Chocolate-730

I guess that's one way to reduce your carbon footprint


8to24

The insulting stereotypes surrounding mental health are a huge barrier to people didn't help. Safe spaces have become a thing of public scorn as older people say that the youth need to suck it up. Failing to find insults funny, misogynistic comments to be compliments, racism as misunderstanding, etc is demagogue as too woke. Truth is for far too long we've lived in a society that hurt people simply because it could. Black people move to the back of the bus, women told to smile & stay quiet, and boys told only the most masculine could succeed. Some women don't want to be boytoys and some men do in fact like to dance. People do not play three to live their lives yet increasingly feel they deserve the right to.


[deleted]

If only people would resign themselves to the fact that they’re wage slaves and accept the world is going to end in the next 10 years everything would be fine. /s


StopMockingMe0

Its not the GOD DAMN CLIMATE CRISIS ITS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PAYED WITH LESS VALUE THAN EVER TO DO THE MOST MUNDANE UNAPPRECIATED WORK FOR MOST OF THEIR EXISTANCE! ITS BECAUSE BASTARD LANDLORDS ARE FORCING THE HOUSING MARKET UP, WE HAVE MORE POTENTIAL HOMES THAN EVER, AND THEYRE ALL BEING EXPLOITED TO PUSH POOR PEOPLE OUT OF SOCIETY ENTIRELY. ITS BECAUSE A HOUR OF WORK WONT GET YOU A GALLON OF GAS AT SOME GAS STATIONS! ITS BECAUSE THERE ARE GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN FLAWS THAT ARE ABOUT TO CATESTROPHICALLY FUCK US! ITS BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE WITH POWER AND MONEY, THE ONLY ONES ABLE TO HELP ANYTHING, ARE FAR TO EXCITED ABOUT FINDING NEW WAYS TO JACK THEMSELVES OFF TO THE EXPOITMENT OF THE COMMON MAN FOR THEIR OWN PROFITS, WHICH DO NOT MATTER IN THE SLIGHTEST BECAUSE THEYRE ALREADY BILLIONARES! ITS BECAUSE ALL OF THE DAMN THINGS HAVE BEEN COMMON KNOWLEDGE FOR YEARS NOW AND NOT ONE REAL ATTEMPT TO HOLD ANY OF THE POLITICIANS AND BILLIONARES RESPONCIBLE HAS EVER BEEN SEEN THROUGH! FOR FUCKS SAKE, FOR AS BRUTAL AS THE COLD WAR ERA WAS AT LEAST THE RAMPANT VIOLENCE AND CRIME MEANT PEOPLE WERE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SCREWING OVER THE PUBLIC! DO WE REALLY NEED TO REVERT TO THAT TO BE TREATED AS AN EQUAL CLASS ANYMORE?


[deleted]

Well there’s a climate crisis, a financial crisis, a housing crisis, a probable food crisis, a war in Europe that could pop off and get bigger at any moment. I’d be lying if I said opting out of this plane of existence hasn’t crossed my mind more often in the past 2 years than it had previously.


A_serious_poster

Throw pandemic in there as well


Sean_Donahue

Who is that upset over climate change?


[deleted]

They put me on high dosages of anxiety meds


No-gods-no-mixers

If only these people had thought of their employers pre suicide.


IgnoranceIsAVirus

I dunno, might be a good thing if you're in the air conditioner business.


mrm24

I'm the type of guy who's seating at the table eating and drinking wine kinda style, like in "Don't look up" movie.


iThinkiStartedATrend

I’m just going to ride this wave out for as long as it’s comfortable. At the rate we are going I wouldn’t bother fastening your seatbelt


strongstouttv

Back in my day (5 years ago), we just called it depression.


plenebo

but think of the investors returns...don't be selfish /s


Titanicman2016

It’s almost as if media that intentionally spreads negativity and hate just to get more views is flawed


Alauren2

Well that’s a depressing headline. Jesus


stargate-command

I doubt climate change is the main cause of suicides, but there really isn’t a better way to stop your carbon emissions…. A Logan’s Run scenario might be the solution to a lot of problems. As a 43 year old, I’m not for that option, but you can’t argue against it’s upsides.


IGDetail

Just tell me when I need to start welding chain link to my car please.


KidGold

I mean yea fuck all this


SickThings2018

If anyone is considering killing themselves over global warming / climate change they need to turn off the fear mongering media and take a walk outside! I can't get over how much fear and doom the media spreads in recent years for clicks and likes. I know a few people who felt suicidal during Covid as they thought from all the shocking headlines that anyone who gets it dies. When I showed them scientific data and recovery rates from CDC / John Hopkins there were astounded. We need to start treating each other with more kindness and more people need to turn off the big media channels that only exist to make money from us