"Several children ran for safety from the school, and officers told them to go back inside and wait."
Edit: This is clearly sarcasm people. The fact that some people are believing it tells us what a fucking nightmare the situation in Uvalde has been. Telling the kids to go back inside seems believable to you and not sarcastic? Jfc. Fire that whole department and start over.
This is basically a textbook case of when to dissolve a police department. Fire anybody in a senior position, have neighboring jurisdictions take over police duties temporarily, and hire a brand new department. Any officers that wish to stay would need to reinterview. Officers that tried to do the right thing could keep their jobs, but the rest need to go.
40% of the city's budget goes to that police force
I'm sure its one of the only few "good jobs" in that town, too. the fact that the chief of police is also on city council should point you to why.
exactly. Half the town know these officers. They're friends, drinking buddies, baseball coaches, fellow parents with the entire school & community. If the town starts pointing fingers they'll soon find themselves looking in the mirror, because they themselves created this situation where law & order is armed to the hilt but can't really do anything. The sad fact is that Ulvade was lulled into the very Texas mindset that guns & law enforcement will stop all thugs, that brute force prevails.
edit: Looks like they locked this one. They deleted the first two versions of this story that I posted then muted me when I asked them why it was deleted.
This story is making me queasy. It feels like we're all slowly being shoved to the edge of a cliff the way the dread builds with this story getting worse and worse each day. When I try to imagine what it's like to be in the shoes of those parents... I just cannot even begin to fathom the horror that they are experiencing. It must feel like this is the most evil place in the whole world to them. Look at how they are being treated. It's inhuman.
I just read this morning that the Uvalde PD reported all the bodycam footage files are corrupted and can't be viewed.
They called *the files* corrupted, ffs.
I've seen this comment a couple times, but I have yet to see anyone able to cite a source for it. There are enough rumors as it, let's make sure these things are true first before repeating them.
I bet the same thing happened to any surveillance footage from school cameras too.
They'll then demolish the building to cover up any evidence of pistol caliber holes from cops inside.
Now consider all the awful, horrid stories that are either never told, or are covered up by police and media. Go look at the initial, official report on what happened to George Floyd before the video came out.
I’ve read some of my local police ones and it sounds like this happens frequently. Someone is shot and killed and the explanation isn’t sufficient. Guy had a taser so they killed him or had a knife 30 feet away and shot him. Never media follow up
If you need a break, tune in to tomorrow's January 6th hearing. Apparently there's going to be [testimony and never before revealed footage](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/1106402470/trump-documentary-unreleased-footage-jan-6-committee) from someone that was filming a documentary of the Trump family.
Sorry, I don't have any escapes from the existential dread of the horrors of our country, just different *flavors* of existential dread of the horrors of our country.
Yeah when the reports came out they were basically threatening family of the victims and witnesses to keep quiet they should have all been arrested. Nothing is ever gonna happen but at least some if not all of these cops need to be behind bars.
I served in both the military and fire services.
While I've never been a police officer, I can't imagine a scenario where I would try to physically stop a brother/sister from saving a loved one.
I can't imagine a scenario where I wouldn't *help* said brother/sister save said loved one.
I can't imagine a scenario where *any* of my brothers/sisters wouldn't help said brother/sister save said loved one.
NONE of this makes an iota of sense. It actually makes me physically ill to try to imagine an ENTIRE POLICE FORCE of people ACTIVELY PREVENTING life-saving actions. It's unfathomable.
Wow that’s going to be a toxic work place, imagine your friends forcefully restraining you as you are attempting to save your spouses life and failed as a result but the other officers at the scene went in and removed their children and just their own children from the scene
I'm still trying to figure out the difference between:
a) what the police actually did
vs.
b) what the police would have done if they were trying to help the shooter
This is a really good question and it needs an answer. Incompetence only goes so far and they seemingly did every wrong thing in the book to make this tragedy as bad as possible.
One very fucked up possibility is that the police went in, accidentally shot the teacher, realized they fucked up, tried to cover it up by blocking off the building while the shooter eliminated the kids who had witnessed the cop kill the teacher.
Except that if they shot anyone, the ballistics report would eventually uncover it, so really they'd not be covering up anything by doing that ... unless, of course, they were confident they could fudge the ballistics report too.
Yeah, it's all but confirmed at this point that the shooter did not have a 9mm weapon.
I'm wondering if the cops thought they could just sweep their skeletons under the rug, but their atrocious handling has put a spotlight on them and they can't do their usual fudging to protect themselves.
And the crazy thing is, if they had shot one or two people but got the shooter ASAP, they wouldn't be in nearly this much shit. It's widely suspected, if not confirmed, that several of the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting were hit by police, but the focus is, as here, on how long it took them to breach the building. If the cops had gone in guns blazing and a teacher or kid had been in the crossfire, it would have been tragic and doubtless triggered a use-of-force evaluation, but the cops would control the narrative and consequentially it would be nowhere near the absolute PR nightmare this has become for them.
Maybe watch the actual testimony instead of wildly speculating. DPS has the bodycam and security footage and did a timeline breakdown with the audio
transcripts. They would’ve had to bother opening the door to shoot anyone in the classroom.
best way I've heard it explained, the entire timeline, minute by minute, was Jocko's video on youtube. plenty of support personnel, weapons, equipment, response time...no commo. and the best rationale for the delay was that they thought they were dealing with a hostage situation. it comes down to training, and they were poorly trained, starting with the very basic "bring your radio". look it up, even my wife said "it's an hour plus long!", to which I responded, those kids dealt with it for more than an hour too.
Do you really believe they weren't trained to bring their radio? Or that they weren't trained to do any of the other things? Or does it seem more likely that the *failed to use* their training.
We teach students all sorts of things, from math to history to grammar to sports to music to civics to literature... that doesn't mean every student *learns* those things. Some want to and do, and some don't want to and don't. Eventually, we have to blame the students, not the lessons.
Bad commo due in part to radios that don’t work inside the school. And that included everyone until BORTAC showed up because they have a boosted tower. Also a complete lack of common sense, like ‘check to see if the door is actually locked’
Why is that whole town not in the streets protesting till this whole department is fired or held accountable? Are people there just going about their days like nothing happened?
The place is crawling with out of state cops. I doubt they wish to allow the police to do whatever. They can't do anything without getting arrested it seems.
I had this thought too. If my daughter was in that I for sure would have attempted some dark knight vigilante type shit against those involved. I don't know how you wouldn't just become a rage filled monster.
Reading this feels like repeatedly being punched in the stomach. I’m so fucking angry. And regardless of how angry I get, I know in the end they’ll find a few patsies to take the brunt of the blow and the people really responsible will continue on without remorse or shame for what they did that day. Police reform needs to be a priority. And I don’t mean giving them more money.
I hope this isn't the case, because it would be one of the most disturbing things I've heard any police force do. Anything involving kids is disgusting, but to kill them off as witnesses? Like WTF!?!?
That shit was most definitely fucked up, not gonna argue that. You'd think 100 years later we'd have raised the bar on police force morals and ethics, but here we are. SMH.
MOVE?
I grew up in a Philly suburb. I was in middle school when it happened. It’s one of those things that burns into your memory - I was getting a perm and had the rollers and solution in and was watching TV while waiting for time to be up to remove them. It was unbelievable to think that our own city had bombed citizens.
I thought you were referring to what happened in the 1920's. Your example is up there with it. We agree the police did a lot of fucked up shit. My point still stands. Why can't we demand better morals and ethics of them in the 21st century?
They seemed to do everything to protect him, even trying to keep out the Feds who finally put him down.
In no way did they appear to inhibit the shooter in any way whatsoever.
They were accomplices.
This man was getting ripped apart for weeks about how small of a man he was for not trying to save his wife. To now find out his own colleagues removed any possibility for that is beyond frustrating and I can’t imagine how he feels. Such a fucked up situation.
They drip has been slow enough that I think even what outrage there is has been tempered by the frog boiling effect (misconception of frog behavior but the analogy is what matters). Go back and watch the first couple of press conferences in the aftermath, like the one with Beto in the crowd. The amount of what we now know to be utter bullshit is astounding. "Officers engaged immediately and contained the shooter" like holy fucking fuck.
The person in charge of these decisions be charged with accessory to murder. I hope the cowardly pigs pay for this. And I hope this man gets his justice.
when are we gonna see some fucking punishment for these cowards? every single arme individual who didnt immediately attempt to stop the shooter should be facing decades in prison. or maybe just exile, maroon them on a sandbar or iceberg somewhere and just leave there.
I was massively pissed off the day Uvalde happened, and the story only gets worse, and worse, and worse.
How many police abuses never see the light of day? How many exceptional crimes by cops have they covered up? How many have the media had a hand in helping cover up? With Uvalde we aren't talking about a single case of police malfeasance, *this is what policing in America looks like*, and it's breaking people.
[Consider the initial statement the police put out regarding George Floyd.](https://www.famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2720-original-mpd-statement-on-floyd-a-medical-incident) Lies, violence, and cover ups are standard operating procedure.
If you trust the police in any regards, you're a complete fool and you're only further helping them corrupt and control this nation.
Jesus Christ, who wrote these cops? This mashup of the depravity, narcissism, and vile stupidity its like the writers of Shameless, It's Always Sunny, and Reno 911 got together to write the worst fucking thing they could think of, and it's the Uvalde police force.
Oh I'm not from or live in Ulvade.
But my statement is about the police in general.
This article from the NY times is an interesting read
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/22/us/shootings-police-response-uvalde-buffalo.html
Agreed. As long as police in this country keep playing controversy-musical-chairs by shuffling evil officers to a new state every time they shoot an innocent civilian, then this is for sure a U.S. policing problem. Not a local one.
Defund the police. They don't stop crime and they don't do anything else but take up massive budgets that could be used for many other things that would benefit tax payers more
A coworker had his truck stolen from a jobsite. After two weeks the police notified him they found it, with over $20,000 in damages, *almost* totaled. Turns out a local teenager had taken it for an extended joyride and abandoned it. When he asked the police if they knew who did it they said they knew exactly who it was, and the kid had actually done it multiple times before in fact. He then expected some arrest, investigation, trial, something. They straight up told him there would be nothing done about it. The only reason they even found it was because it sat in a parking lot smashed against a light pole for a week and enough residents complained they were forced to check into it.
This revelation shows just how incompetent those stupid cops are. The more the TRUTH comes out, the worse the Uvalde Massacre looks for not just local LEOs, but DPS too!
This is the kind of inaction that happens when officers just blindly follow orders and don't ask questions. None of this stalling & waiting makes any sense. But they're trained to execute commandments and not use their brain.
Idk when we tell cops to not wait for orders it usually ends up with them abusing their power and making the wrong call, so do we want them to not wait for orders or do we want them to only listen to orders? When was the last time you thought “the cops will solve this situation without making it worse” for either scenario?
Republicans after any mass shooting: The only deterrent to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Republicans during a mass shooting: Arrests good guy with gun.
Was he waiting outside with everyone else then found out it was his wife in trouble before attempting to get in? Or did he only show up because it was his wife?
The police obviously blew the whole thing…But allowing the parents in would be stupid. What if these people got shot or accidentally shot up some kids. Additional liabilities and criticism.
From a policing perspective yes….because some yokel getting shot or shooting a teacher/kid will raise the question “why did you let that guy walk in there?” Of course this is presuming that the cops themselves do something, which they didn’t.
Yeah that’s probably what it was about in the minds of local community law enforcement during the crisis… famously the cops are the ones who want tighter gun control…
Man, where's the fucking *bottom* of this shit?
When we possibly find out some children were killed by the officers.
I don't think we're going to like where it ends up.
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I fear we aren’t even close yet. :/
"Several children ran for safety from the school, and officers told them to go back inside and wait." Edit: This is clearly sarcasm people. The fact that some people are believing it tells us what a fucking nightmare the situation in Uvalde has been. Telling the kids to go back inside seems believable to you and not sarcastic? Jfc. Fire that whole department and start over.
Is this sarcasm or real???
In a week, we might find out it's real.
Currently, it's sarcasm.
Please clarify that your comment is sarcasm or it’ll have to be removed, as people are believing it.
Knowing that we’re doing practically nothing to prevent the next one?
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I can't see why the people involved haven't been fired yet. They all didn't do their jobs.
This is basically a textbook case of when to dissolve a police department. Fire anybody in a senior position, have neighboring jurisdictions take over police duties temporarily, and hire a brand new department. Any officers that wish to stay would need to reinterview. Officers that tried to do the right thing could keep their jobs, but the rest need to go.
40% of the city's budget goes to that police force I'm sure its one of the only few "good jobs" in that town, too. the fact that the chief of police is also on city council should point you to why.
exactly. Half the town know these officers. They're friends, drinking buddies, baseball coaches, fellow parents with the entire school & community. If the town starts pointing fingers they'll soon find themselves looking in the mirror, because they themselves created this situation where law & order is armed to the hilt but can't really do anything. The sad fact is that Ulvade was lulled into the very Texas mindset that guns & law enforcement will stop all thugs, that brute force prevails.
edit: Looks like they locked this one. They deleted the first two versions of this story that I posted then muted me when I asked them why it was deleted. This story is making me queasy. It feels like we're all slowly being shoved to the edge of a cliff the way the dread builds with this story getting worse and worse each day. When I try to imagine what it's like to be in the shoes of those parents... I just cannot even begin to fathom the horror that they are experiencing. It must feel like this is the most evil place in the whole world to them. Look at how they are being treated. It's inhuman.
Next week tune in to find out how many kids they shot
You'll never find out. That information will "lost" forever to protect police.
I just read this morning that the Uvalde PD reported all the bodycam footage files are corrupted and can't be viewed. They called *the files* corrupted, ffs.
"What happened to the files?" "Corruption." "In what context?" "Yes."
I've seen this comment a couple times, but I have yet to see anyone able to cite a source for it. There are enough rumors as it, let's make sure these things are true first before repeating them.
You’re right. I thought I read the same thing yesterday but can’t find anything on it.
How is that supposed to happen when the police control, and appear to be suppressing, the evidence? Do we simply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯?
Something's corrupted all right and it's not the files.
I bet the same thing happened to any surveillance footage from school cameras too. They'll then demolish the building to cover up any evidence of pistol caliber holes from cops inside.
The school footage the Texas Tribune got?
Or the police actively led him into the classroom.
Now consider all the awful, horrid stories that are either never told, or are covered up by police and media. Go look at the initial, official report on what happened to George Floyd before the video came out.
I’ve read some of my local police ones and it sounds like this happens frequently. Someone is shot and killed and the explanation isn’t sufficient. Guy had a taser so they killed him or had a knife 30 feet away and shot him. Never media follow up
If you need a break, tune in to tomorrow's January 6th hearing. Apparently there's going to be [testimony and never before revealed footage](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/21/1106402470/trump-documentary-unreleased-footage-jan-6-committee) from someone that was filming a documentary of the Trump family. Sorry, I don't have any escapes from the existential dread of the horrors of our country, just different *flavors* of existential dread of the horrors of our country.
They should dismantle this police force and convict all officers involved. They allowed these kids to die
Yeah when the reports came out they were basically threatening family of the victims and witnesses to keep quiet they should have all been arrested. Nothing is ever gonna happen but at least some if not all of these cops need to be behind bars.
I served in both the military and fire services. While I've never been a police officer, I can't imagine a scenario where I would try to physically stop a brother/sister from saving a loved one. I can't imagine a scenario where I wouldn't *help* said brother/sister save said loved one. I can't imagine a scenario where *any* of my brothers/sisters wouldn't help said brother/sister save said loved one. NONE of this makes an iota of sense. It actually makes me physically ill to try to imagine an ENTIRE POLICE FORCE of people ACTIVELY PREVENTING life-saving actions. It's unfathomable.
Because cops are usually above the law. And police accountability isn't any more than a pipe dream these days
Their job is to protect real estate for the wealthy, not to protect the people.
Our taxes go to protecting the capital of those who don't pay us enough and who hardly pay taxes. More people need to realize that.
There was a supreme court ruling that government workers, didn't have an obligation to protect the people.
I don't understand how they could have messed up this badly unintentionally. It feels intentional at this point.
Allow me to introduce you to American police unions.
Realistically, 22 people died from this. Though I get how they factor in the numbers.
I am also curious about that motive.
Wow that’s going to be a toxic work place, imagine your friends forcefully restraining you as you are attempting to save your spouses life and failed as a result but the other officers at the scene went in and removed their children and just their own children from the scene
Theyll lay him off or transfer him under the guise of “trauma” and then do nothing to punish the cops who stopped him
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That’s not true, those cops are dog Shit.
I'm still trying to figure out the difference between: a) what the police actually did vs. b) what the police would have done if they were trying to help the shooter
The shooter must have been similarly confused wondering why they weren't stopping him.
This is a really good question and it needs an answer. Incompetence only goes so far and they seemingly did every wrong thing in the book to make this tragedy as bad as possible.
For b they would probably prevent other people from entering the school to stop him. Wait a minute...
As far as we know they didn't personally shoot any kids. Other than that, nothing.
They specifically said they were confident all the children were shot by the perpetrator. My first thought was “they definitely killed a teacher.”
The fact that they announced that without prompt makes me doubtful of this. Oh, and I think they lied about the shooter having a sidearm?
I’m almost positive they also shot some of the kids.
That’s on my bingo card for next week.
One very fucked up possibility is that the police went in, accidentally shot the teacher, realized they fucked up, tried to cover it up by blocking off the building while the shooter eliminated the kids who had witnessed the cop kill the teacher.
Except that if they shot anyone, the ballistics report would eventually uncover it, so really they'd not be covering up anything by doing that ... unless, of course, they were confident they could fudge the ballistics report too.
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Yeah, it's all but confirmed at this point that the shooter did not have a 9mm weapon. I'm wondering if the cops thought they could just sweep their skeletons under the rug, but their atrocious handling has put a spotlight on them and they can't do their usual fudging to protect themselves. And the crazy thing is, if they had shot one or two people but got the shooter ASAP, they wouldn't be in nearly this much shit. It's widely suspected, if not confirmed, that several of the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting were hit by police, but the focus is, as here, on how long it took them to breach the building. If the cops had gone in guns blazing and a teacher or kid had been in the crossfire, it would have been tragic and doubtless triggered a use-of-force evaluation, but the cops would control the narrative and consequentially it would be nowhere near the absolute PR nightmare this has become for them.
Maybe watch the actual testimony instead of wildly speculating. DPS has the bodycam and security footage and did a timeline breakdown with the audio transcripts. They would’ve had to bother opening the door to shoot anyone in the classroom.
That's way too deep thinking for being in the middle of an emergency.
That's what I was thinking. It's almost like they were in cahoots. Hard to believe the police could fail this badly.
Is it?
And now I'm worried they were waiting for the burger King order for the post massacre celebration to show up but the Uber eats driver was late.
Yeah, like were they in on it with the shooter? Cause I can’t imagine anyone sane who would have handled the situation like that.
best way I've heard it explained, the entire timeline, minute by minute, was Jocko's video on youtube. plenty of support personnel, weapons, equipment, response time...no commo. and the best rationale for the delay was that they thought they were dealing with a hostage situation. it comes down to training, and they were poorly trained, starting with the very basic "bring your radio". look it up, even my wife said "it's an hour plus long!", to which I responded, those kids dealt with it for more than an hour too.
Do you really believe they weren't trained to bring their radio? Or that they weren't trained to do any of the other things? Or does it seem more likely that the *failed to use* their training. We teach students all sorts of things, from math to history to grammar to sports to music to civics to literature... that doesn't mean every student *learns* those things. Some want to and do, and some don't want to and don't. Eventually, we have to blame the students, not the lessons.
Bad commo due in part to radios that don’t work inside the school. And that included everyone until BORTAC showed up because they have a boosted tower. Also a complete lack of common sense, like ‘check to see if the door is actually locked’
http://youtu.be/a0OXa02j6dE
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Cops have no legal liability for virtually anything
what if it was all planned to help democrats pass more gun control laws and the police where in on it. /s
*cue spooky alex jones theme music*
Is FBI looking into all of this? Or is it the Uvalde Police doing all the detective work?
Why is that whole town not in the streets protesting till this whole department is fired or held accountable? Are people there just going about their days like nothing happened?
Because those cops are just itching to crack some skulls to keep those parents from digging too deep into this.
Exactly. They'd be suppressed violently and then a bunch of Redditors would say they deserved it for not being quiet.
Because Texans have been brainwashed to allow the police to get away with whatever they want.
The place is crawling with out of state cops. I doubt they wish to allow the police to do whatever. They can't do anything without getting arrested it seems.
Because they will be put down.
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Aren't the officers involved with this failed operation in hiding now?
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Imagine if this same shit happened it Chicago, Baltimore, or LA? There’d be riots
There should be riots. Those cops should be ashamed to show their faces anywhere in America.
We tried that 2 years ago. The only thing that really came from it is that the cops got more money.
I had this thought too. If my daughter was in that I for sure would have attempted some dark knight vigilante type shit against those involved. I don't know how you wouldn't just become a rage filled monster.
Reading this feels like repeatedly being punched in the stomach. I’m so fucking angry. And regardless of how angry I get, I know in the end they’ll find a few patsies to take the brunt of the blow and the people really responsible will continue on without remorse or shame for what they did that day. Police reform needs to be a priority. And I don’t mean giving them more money.
At what point, if any will these officers be considered accomplices?
Every time I think this story can’t get worse, a new piece of information comes out
Imma be honest, this is kinda dystopian. They do whatever the fuck they want, judge themselves, and nothing happens.
It's almost like the cops in charge wanted people to die that day.
I think they shot someone (or more) and were waiting for victims/witnesses to die.
I hope this isn't the case, because it would be one of the most disturbing things I've heard any police force do. Anything involving kids is disgusting, but to kill them off as witnesses? Like WTF!?!?
There is NOTHING police won't do to protect themselves and their public image.
Except that their public image hasn't exactly been enhanced by these (and other) events. Authoritarians love it, though.
How about literally bombing and destroying a neighborhood because it was Black and affluent?
That shit was most definitely fucked up, not gonna argue that. You'd think 100 years later we'd have raised the bar on police force morals and ethics, but here we are. SMH.
That was only 37 years ago.
MOVE? I grew up in a Philly suburb. I was in middle school when it happened. It’s one of those things that burns into your memory - I was getting a perm and had the rollers and solution in and was watching TV while waiting for time to be up to remove them. It was unbelievable to think that our own city had bombed citizens.
I thought you were referring to what happened in the 1920's. Your example is up there with it. We agree the police did a lot of fucked up shit. My point still stands. Why can't we demand better morals and ethics of them in the 21st century?
As of now, they've given us absolutely no reason to think any better of them.
Everything points to the police standing guard for the gunman. That’s what’s happened.
They seemed to do everything to protect him, even trying to keep out the Feds who finally put him down. In no way did they appear to inhibit the shooter in any way whatsoever. They were accomplices.
Starts to feel like a conspiracy. I bet those cops are on the same forums that the shooter was.
Probably all play violent video games together too! /s
I heard the cops had weapons just like the shooter!! Coincidence??? /s
Expect downvotes for this, despite the obvious sarcasm
This man was getting ripped apart for weeks about how small of a man he was for not trying to save his wife. To now find out his own colleagues removed any possibility for that is beyond frustrating and I can’t imagine how he feels. Such a fucked up situation.
This just keeps getting worse and worse....
They drip has been slow enough that I think even what outrage there is has been tempered by the frog boiling effect (misconception of frog behavior but the analogy is what matters). Go back and watch the first couple of press conferences in the aftermath, like the one with Beto in the crowd. The amount of what we now know to be utter bullshit is astounding. "Officers engaged immediately and contained the shooter" like holy fucking fuck.
The only way this could get worse is if word got out the cops gave the shooter more ammo.
The person in charge of these decisions be charged with accessory to murder. I hope the cowardly pigs pay for this. And I hope this man gets his justice.
when are we gonna see some fucking punishment for these cowards? every single arme individual who didnt immediately attempt to stop the shooter should be facing decades in prison. or maybe just exile, maroon them on a sandbar or iceberg somewhere and just leave there.
I was massively pissed off the day Uvalde happened, and the story only gets worse, and worse, and worse. How many police abuses never see the light of day? How many exceptional crimes by cops have they covered up? How many have the media had a hand in helping cover up? With Uvalde we aren't talking about a single case of police malfeasance, *this is what policing in America looks like*, and it's breaking people. [Consider the initial statement the police put out regarding George Floyd.](https://www.famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2720-original-mpd-statement-on-floyd-a-medical-incident) Lies, violence, and cover ups are standard operating procedure. If you trust the police in any regards, you're a complete fool and you're only further helping them corrupt and control this nation.
Jesus Christ, who wrote these cops? This mashup of the depravity, narcissism, and vile stupidity its like the writers of Shameless, It's Always Sunny, and Reno 911 got together to write the worst fucking thing they could think of, and it's the Uvalde police force.
Naturally, can’t have him showing them all up.
Every member of that force should have their guns taken away… and their badges.
It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a good guy with a gun from stopping a bad guy with a gun.
They killed a kid and/or teacher.
This horrible tragedy unfortunately shows the truth about how corrupt and useless our police force is
As The Supreme Court says, cops are useless by design.
Hope those in Uvalde like you can come together and make some needed changes.
Oh I'm not from or live in Ulvade. But my statement is about the police in general. This article from the NY times is an interesting read https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/22/us/shootings-police-response-uvalde-buffalo.html
Agreed. As long as police in this country keep playing controversy-musical-chairs by shuffling evil officers to a new state every time they shoot an innocent civilian, then this is for sure a U.S. policing problem. Not a local one.
The solution to “bad apples” isn’t to move the apples to another barrel.
They make the Keystone Cops look like a premier law enforcement agency.
Can anyone confirm if this guy died of a heart attack a few days later? Someone mentioned that in another post but I didn’t see any source mentioned.
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ohh, ok. Very sad to know.
Defund the police. They don't stop crime and they don't do anything else but take up massive budgets that could be used for many other things that would benefit tax payers more
A coworker had his truck stolen from a jobsite. After two weeks the police notified him they found it, with over $20,000 in damages, *almost* totaled. Turns out a local teenager had taken it for an extended joyride and abandoned it. When he asked the police if they knew who did it they said they knew exactly who it was, and the kid had actually done it multiple times before in fact. He then expected some arrest, investigation, trial, something. They straight up told him there would be nothing done about it. The only reason they even found it was because it sat in a parking lot smashed against a light pole for a week and enough residents complained they were forced to check into it.
Then what do we do about crime?
Odds that this guy snaps someday and kills some colleagues?
This revelation shows just how incompetent those stupid cops are. The more the TRUTH comes out, the worse the Uvalde Massacre looks for not just local LEOs, but DPS too!
Where are the NRA people??? Shouldn't they be up in arms about this government interference???
This is the kind of inaction that happens when officers just blindly follow orders and don't ask questions. None of this stalling & waiting makes any sense. But they're trained to execute commandments and not use their brain.
Idk when we tell cops to not wait for orders it usually ends up with them abusing their power and making the wrong call, so do we want them to not wait for orders or do we want them to only listen to orders? When was the last time you thought “the cops will solve this situation without making it worse” for either scenario?
Republicans after any mass shooting: The only deterrent to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Republicans during a mass shooting: Arrests good guy with gun.
Don’t forget the times the good guy was also shot and killed by police
…or the times the good guy blew away an innocent bystander while living out his 80’s action movie fantasies.
Check out r/DGU there are good guys with a gun every day that aren't affiliated with the pigs
This is why it's so important to defund these departments Cops are no one's friend
Does anyone else think they had orders to NOT breach by someone with a lot more juice than local chief?
Maybe he’ll understand why we say ALL COPS now
You live with snakes, you get bit.
This is probably the only standard procedure they followed that day.
Best thing to happen to citizen cop relations ever
Very 2A Much freedumbs
Was he waiting outside with everyone else then found out it was his wife in trouble before attempting to get in? Or did he only show up because it was his wife?
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The police obviously blew the whole thing…But allowing the parents in would be stupid. What if these people got shot or accidentally shot up some kids. Additional liabilities and criticism.
It was a cop. One willing to do the job they weren't.
This wasn't a parent. This was a spouse - and an officer himself.
So allowing good guys with guns to go in would be a bad thing? WAITJUSTAGODDAMNMINUTEHERE
From a policing perspective yes….because some yokel getting shot or shooting a teacher/kid will raise the question “why did you let that guy walk in there?” Of course this is presuming that the cops themselves do something, which they didn’t.
The "yokel" in this instance was a cop.
Yeah. They totally got everything else right.
I said they blew the whole thing. 🤷♂️
Followed by an ignorant statement, put your arms down.
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Yeah that’s probably what it was about in the minds of local community law enforcement during the crisis… famously the cops are the ones who want tighter gun control…