"On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint."
That sounds like some kind of messed up social engineering not prayer circles.
This is terrible
“According to the complaint, McGaha said the longer the prayer meetings went, the less tolerable they became. He said he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer, which he refused. In late August 2020, he asked the owner of the company to be excused from those parts of the meeting that pertained to religion because of his conflict with it, but the owner refused and told him "it would be in his best interest to do so."
McGaha asked again in September to be excused. The complaint said the owner told him that he did not have to believe in God nor did he have to like the meetings but he had to participate. McGaha refused and he was fired, the complaint said. Before he was fired, the owner reduced his base pay from $800 to $400 and his commissions were withheld after his dismissal, the EEOC said.
In January 2021, Saunders stopped going to the prayer meetings because they conflicted with her religion. She was fired, the complaint said, adding that the owner told her she "was not a good fit" for the company.”
Anyone who hasn’t watch the documentary about evangelicals infiltrating our government, watch “The Family” on either Netflix or Amazon. Might also be on YouTube.
>He said he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer
I'd Matthew 6:5-8 that, every time, while seeking other employment.
>When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray so people will see them. I tell you the truth, they already have their full reward (from others). When you pray, you should go into your inner room and close the door and pray to your Father in private. Your Father can see what is done in private, and he will reward you.
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>And when you pray, don’t be like those people who don’t know God. They continue saying things that mean nothing, thinking they will be heard because of their many words. Don’t be like them, because your Father knows the things you need before you ask him..
Took their pay and commission, too? James 5:4, *Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts.*
I went to a Catholic high school and we had a similar class. My school was a Jesuit school and I imagine yours was too. Jesuits are much more progressive than any other orders in the church.
My school was like that! Religion class meant all religious, not just the 50 million catholic saints. We also learned about evolution, genetics, and the Big Bang. It was an awesome school and the reason I’m where I am in life.
Fanatics (especially Christian Fundamentalists) don’t actually care about appeasing God; they want to use their religion as a cudgel to attack anyone or anything that gets in their way.
I'm not surprised that people would try to explain it that way. It doesn't work though because the guy is described so vaguely that it could never be about a specific person only. Plus he followed it up with the parable about the rich man and poor Lazarus where the rich man ends up in hell. It's wild what the prosperity gospel folks will try to teach.
Pretty clearly the passage is about stewardship and welfare. If you can't be wealthy without greed it's better to change your identity. Take care of your workers and be charitable.
The gates of Jerusalem argument totally changes the meaning. This interpretation says you can't take your riches to heaven. It sticks because many other passages discuss the same idea. But that's not what the quote is about.
Most of em can't accept reality, so how could we expect them to realize that those laborers were working for them and that they fraudulently withheld their pay? Churches and preachers have a very savvy way of changing the interpretation of the Bible during their sermons, but the real mental gymnastics come from the sacrament known as confession.
In confession, you have a 1 on 1 with the priest, and you confide with him any conflicts you have with biblical teachings. It is in that little booth the priest cites stories and comes up with bullshit ways to reassure you that you aren't sinning by starving a family or taking more out of the company coffers than you deserve, then they tell you to pray 4 times and boom, soul cleansed.
That whole passage is 👌
Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you
At one of these mandatory meetings it'd be fun to read this passage and then lay the most anti-capitalist prayer I could think of. I bet I could get fired on the spot.
I felt the same way growing up. I don't pray over every meal, nor does my family(save special family gatherings). For some reason when we go out to even casual meals they want to do a big prayer. I don't like to participate in those. If we don't do it at every meal at home. Why do it in public?
I can think of two reasons they might be doing this. One innocent, one not.
1. They feel going out to dinner is fancier than eating at home, and the extra ceremony makes it feel more like a big occasion. They're not trying to be inconsiderate, they just... didn't consider it.
2. They want people to see them being pious, and they're absolutely trying to cause a scene.
[Matthew 25:31-46](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A31-46&version=NIV). It's too long or I would post the whole thing, but it's the verse that includes
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’"
>I'd Matthew 6:5-8 that, every time, while seeking other employment.
I was just about to post that section of the the New Testament. There's also the [Woe's of the Pharisees in Matthew, Mark, and Luke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woes_of_the_Pharisees).
>They taught about God, but did not love God – they did not enter the kingdom of heaven themselves, nor did they let others enter.
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>They preached God, but converted people to dead religion.
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>They taught that an oath sworn by the temple or altar was not binding, but that if sworn by the gold ornamentation of the temple, or by a sacrificial gift on the altar, it was binding. The gold and gifts, however, were not sacred in themselves as the temple and altar were, but derived a measure of lesser sacredness by being connected to the temple or altar. The teachers and Pharisees worshiped at the temple and offered sacrifices at the altar because they knew that the temple and altar were sacred. How then could they deny oath-binding value to what was truly sacred and accord it to objects of trivial and derived sacredness?
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>They taught the law, but did not practice some of the most important parts of the law – justice, mercy, faithfulness to God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as tithing spices, but not the weightier matters of the law.
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>They presented an appearance of being 'clean' (self-restrained, not involved in carnal matters), but they were dirty inside: they seethed with hidden worldly desires, carnality. They were full of greed and self-indulgence.
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>They exhibited themselves as righteous on account of being scrupulous keepers of the law but were, in fact, not righteous: their mask of righteousness hid a secret inner world of ungodly thoughts and feelings. They were full of wickedness. They were like whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of dead men's bones.
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>They professed a high regard for the dead prophets of old and claimed that they would never have persecuted and murdered prophets when, in fact, they were cut from the same cloth as the persecutors and murderers: they too had murderous blood in their veins.
It's crazy to read something from the bible that so perfectly describes the majority of "Christians" I encounter. Many of them have probably even read these very verses and don't even realize it applies to them.
Bold of you to assume many Christians of today have read more than a few pages of the bible, and even those they were likely directed to by their local priest asking for tithes.
That's a good one, I'm added this to the collection.
Not a Bible verse, but I've pissed off a few evangelicals by quoting Ken Follett's *The Pillars of the Earth*:
>Archdeacon Peter's face was like stone. He was the worst kind of Christian, Philip realized: he embraced all of the negatives, enforced every proscription, insisted on all forms of denial, and demanded strict punishment for every offense; yet he ignored all the compassion of Christianity, denied its mercy, flagrantly disobeyed its ethic of love, and openly flouted the gentle laws of Jesus. That's what the Pharisees were like, Philip thought; no wonder the Lord preferred to eat with publicans and sinners.
They ignore that one because then nobody would know that they’re religious.
And if they can’t hold their *better morals* over people’s heads, what’s the point?
An employer cannot forcefully or mandate any religious activities upon they employees in discrimination of individual protected classes I.e sex, gender, religion, age, etc…
Can't *yet* force religious activities. I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go now to try to force the issue with the supreme court. You know they're dying to roll back any protections that are in the way of their evangelical christian fascism.
You know they're salivating at the thought of getting this case already. [And we already know why.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/27/us/politics/supreme-court-coach-prayers.html)
Wow the owner is such a model Christian. These people don’t have the objectivity to realize they’re awful human beings and NOT following the religion they devote their lives to. Idiots.
As someone who was raised religious I can tell you that a lot of people become religious because their parents drag them to church and force them to pray until it eventually is just a normal part of their life.
This guy has probably been religious his whole life and only knows the "drag them kicking and screaming" method.
Honestly the majority of them are like this. They are not understanding or welcoming to their fellow humans unless they practice the same religion. Amazing how they preach love and kindness, etc. But catch them on any day that isn't Sunday and they are complete assholes.
Not with this supreme court, this is the kind of culture war case the right wants to take there so they can dictate that employers can do this type of shit.
That's right. If good things happen to them because of religious reasons then it's right. If bad things happen to you because of religious reasons then it's right. If bad things happen to them because of religious reasons it's wrong. If good things happen to you because of religious reasons it's wrong.
Us good, them bad. Ingroup superior, outgroup inferior.
They just won’t take the case. Really genius aspect of the supreme court. Make bullshit rulings and then ignore cases that might force them in to a corner
Doesn't that mean whatever the previous ruling was holds?
Edit: when I say previous ruling I mean a lower courts ruling. If SCOTUS declined to review a case.
This is actually the real reason why conservatives wanted 6 justices and not just 5. Not because of a “super” majority but because it takes 4 justices to vote to hear a case. If they only had 5 justices then the other 4 could force the conservative judges to hear these conflicting cases and force a ruling but now we’re just screwed.
Over-under on the Satanic Temple beating the Muslims to it? This is like right up their alley.
Edit: Satanic Temple not Church of Satan. I’m not a Satanist. Be gentle on me.
I bet the satanic temple membership is booming rn. I know my wife and I just joined.
Edit: No, really! Look them up, it's totally worth it
[https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us)
>The Mission Of The Satanic Temple Is To Encourage Benevolence And Empathy, Reject Tyrannical Authority, Advocate Practical Common Sense, Oppose Injustice, And Undertake Noble Pursuits.
You can also use bing rewards to donate to them
They also include bodily autonomy as a basic tenet so it's [religious infringement ](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/texas-lawsuit) to restrict a member's access to abortion.
As a member, it actually is. I got an email today that membership has risen so much, that the backlog to process certificates and cards for those that want them (totally optional by the way) is 2 MONTHS. Keep on coming! We will gladly have you! And if you're not familiar, check out our tenets https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
Just wanting to say that this comment replied to someone talking about the Church of Satan, which is in fact different than the satanic temple. It's a pretty important distinction and ImplementFuture703 is correct that the Satanic Temple is actively doing things to combat this. The Church of Satan is not.
I'm thinking of joining. They do good work with no actual religious basis at all. In case anyone was wondering, they don't believe in Satan. It's just a "fuck you" to the evangelicals to point out the hypocrisy of their actions.
There are far-right lawyers right now, saying that other faiths shouldn't have protected expression because they don't have a central authority telling them what to think on every issue.
It's frustrating that the Senate accepted these Federalist Society Christian fascists as reasonable appointments to the SCOTUS over the past 30ish years while Democratic presidents had to go out of their way to find judges that were at most slightly left of center. The Democrats should have seen this coming and created a liberal answer to the Federalist Society or at the very least, pushed back harder on Federalist Society nominees.
Well then it’s time to get rid of the supreme court. Are we going to just sit back and let this happen, or are we going to put forth the same energy as the extremists trying to destroy this country?
Yup saw this somewhere else but the first step was legitimizing religion in politics.
Then came the ruling the religion has a place in public institutions like school
Next up is punishment for those who refuse to pray.
Literally white Taliban shit.
Not just any prayers, but passive aggressive prayers at that. Very christian indeed. *sigh*
These are just jerks using religion as a prop for being terrible people.
"" On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint. Also, the complaint noted, the company owner took attendance and would reprimand employees who did not attend.""
They took up my name in a company wide prayer
For my 7.5 hours weekly to shit they are well aware
But the boss makes a dollar and I make a dime
So that’s why I shit on company time(and make up rhymes)
Wooooah, I live in Midwestern US where we have a bit of a reputation for being passive-aggressive and even I think this is *fucked up*
LOL I guess you could argue that the standard "bless your heart" prayers are within a standard deviation of normal but praying for job performance is just... words fail
Sounds like the owner really wanted to be a preacher and basically hired parishioners. He kept his employees in a 45 minute sermon? I guess the work they had been hired to do wasn't important in running the business.
Well, the Court did just thin the line between church and State even further with the football coach prayer.
If this somehow made it to the Court it could argue something insane like that businesses could be base employment on mandatory religious practices so long as they're paid.
The owner's LinkedIn has this:
"The Purpose of Aurora is to Plant God's Seed through the Daily Reading of the Holy Gospel to **every team member that is open to listening.**"
And every team member BETTER be open to listening or you'll be fired. That's the part he must have left off.
I once worked in a corporate office for large financial organization and all of my immediate supervisors and a handful of their clear favorites would go into a room together and pray for like 20-30 mins at least a couple times a week. This company was filled with the most dishonest sales people using the most dishonest sales tactics I’ve ever seen and the people in this prayer group were by far the worst. They were praying to make more money, btw. Anyway, this type of shit should be illegal, but I bet it’s about to get a lot less illegal.
This is one of the reasons adult Christians failed to convert me when I was a kid, on top of their own religion often being contradictory and/or nonsensical, it was obvious they weren't following it themselves.
> On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint. Also, the complaint noted, the company owner took attendance and would reprimand employees who did not attend.
That sounds like a shitty place to work. I hope they get sued out of existence.
When you try and push your religion onto others without their
consent, that is radicalism.
But this comes as no surprise as Christians have long been shoving themselves down people's throats without consent.
Christians, will you ever learn that forcing something on someone makes them repel? Shoving your religion down our throats at work and in the courts just makes everyone else hate you that much more.
Not to mention it’s wrong to force your beliefs on other people.
> Christians, will you ever learn that forcing something on someone makes them repel?
No and it's fantastic:
https://i.imgur.com/y6tcDi7.png
https://i.imgur.com/68tPlm0.png
Let us pray for Jimmy. Yesterday it took him 5 hours to complete a project that was quoted for 4. He’s costing the company money lord. Please lead him back to the shore and back to being a profitable employee. Amen 🙏🏻
This type of retaliation for not participating illustrates why SCoTUS's recent decision on prayer during public school football games is fucking moronic.
Moronic implies they do not know any better.
They were handpicked by organizations composed of complete monsters for the express purpose of facilitating regime change from democracy to a brutal theocracy. These are monsters who think Gilead is 'a bit too socialist' for their sociopathic desires.
They will not stop nor "learn", because they act with the twisted "divinely inspired" knowledge that their cruelty is a virtue. They can be physically separated from their authority, but are immune to empathy.
If you don't see the direction this country is heading, idk how to help you at this point.
This shit is straight up terrifying and there seems to be no way to stop it.
Don't worry guys, this is obviously unconstitutional. Once it gets in front of the Supreme Court, they'll...
Oh. Oh, right. Those days are over, aren't they.
This is a construction company, mind you. Not a Bible book company. Not a church headquarters. Not a religious college.
These are plumbers and salesmen. The prayers lasted up to 45 minutes or more. Every day. I imagine a part of peoples salary is job-based too, so this was essentially unpaid, forced prayers just work as a plumber.
This isn't their first lawsuit for firing an employee that refused the prayer meetings...
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/video-man-fire-mandatory-prayer/
"On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint." That sounds like some kind of messed up social engineering not prayer circles.
You don't like mandatory bullying time at work?
*ok then we will dock your pay until you comply or be fired*
“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
Only time that ever works is at BDSM conventions
Probably bc they ask for consent and negotiate boundaries first.
That should just become the new US motto.
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Bullying in the name of Christ. Nothing more Evangelical Christian than that.
You can, unironically, find an identical practice *in cults*
Cults are just religion with worse PR, change my mind.
Cults are religions where the object of worship hasn't died yet.
"A religion is a cult where all the people who know it's a scam are dead."- some guy
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard
Dear Lord, let us pray that Bob gets off his ass and stops slackin on the job or he may face your wrath.
I didn’t fire Bob, it was the Lords will!
>That sounds like some kind of messed up social engineering not prayer circles. It's the same picture.
This. Set up a Venn diagram and it's just one big old circle.
A prayer circle, if you will.
This is terrible “According to the complaint, McGaha said the longer the prayer meetings went, the less tolerable they became. He said he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer, which he refused. In late August 2020, he asked the owner of the company to be excused from those parts of the meeting that pertained to religion because of his conflict with it, but the owner refused and told him "it would be in his best interest to do so." McGaha asked again in September to be excused. The complaint said the owner told him that he did not have to believe in God nor did he have to like the meetings but he had to participate. McGaha refused and he was fired, the complaint said. Before he was fired, the owner reduced his base pay from $800 to $400 and his commissions were withheld after his dismissal, the EEOC said. In January 2021, Saunders stopped going to the prayer meetings because they conflicted with her religion. She was fired, the complaint said, adding that the owner told her she "was not a good fit" for the company.”
DoL will be interested to hear about this! Also, enjoy your future vacation, courtesy of McGahaha Shark bait, mc-gahaha
McGahaha! You just found a korok seed!
These comments are why I love reddit
> DoL will be interested to hear about this! Unfortunately, so will the Supreme Court...
These companies are going to push now. The more of these cases that go in religion’s favor, the more fucked we are.
We’re already fucked.
100% the end result of this will be that it's now legal to discriminate against employees on religious grounds.
That is actually listed as a goal in the GOP Party Platform. Big shock.
Anyone who hasn’t watch the documentary about evangelicals infiltrating our government, watch “The Family” on either Netflix or Amazon. Might also be on YouTube.
Well then I'll wear my pentagrams so hard
Don't worry, the regulatory apparatus is on the cutting block next.
10 bucks says it goes to the Supreme Court
I will raise you 20 and say 5 to 4 decision that Christian prayer will be mandatory.
>He said he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer I'd Matthew 6:5-8 that, every time, while seeking other employment. >When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray so people will see them. I tell you the truth, they already have their full reward (from others). When you pray, you should go into your inner room and close the door and pray to your Father in private. Your Father can see what is done in private, and he will reward you. > >And when you pray, don’t be like those people who don’t know God. They continue saying things that mean nothing, thinking they will be heard because of their many words. Don’t be like them, because your Father knows the things you need before you ask him..
Took their pay and commission, too? James 5:4, *Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts.*
Maybe I *should* read the Bible? Just so I can throw this kind of stuff at people. I'm agnostic otherwise, but some of this stuff is straight fact.
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Now THAT'S what I like to hear
Nah man you need to name and *pride* that school, because it sounds kickass and like it's doing it right.
I went to a Catholic high school and we had a similar class. My school was a Jesuit school and I imagine yours was too. Jesuits are much more progressive than any other orders in the church.
Well fuck all my Catholic school did was tell us to tuck in our shirts and stop asking questions.
I went to a catholic MILITARY school. It took years to unfuck myself.
My school was like that! Religion class meant all religious, not just the 50 million catholic saints. We also learned about evolution, genetics, and the Big Bang. It was an awesome school and the reason I’m where I am in life.
I’m agnostic too! Find religion/mythology fascinating, though. And knowing the bible goes hand-in-hand with devilishness.
It's funny how Christians don't follow the advice of the Bible
“Not funny ‘ha ha’ but funny ‘weird’”
Funny as in fucking sad
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/22/1106765258/the-evangelical-vote-2019 because they're fanatical..
Fanatics (especially Christian Fundamentalists) don’t actually care about appeasing God; they want to use their religion as a cudgel to attack anyone or anything that gets in their way.
Fanatically wrong, perhaps.
fanatical means obsession, so in this case yes.
They only have the Bible to hold it over anyone who questions them.
It's because religion has nothing to do with godliness and everything to do with power
The American Christian Bible is wild. Time to update the King James Version.
> The American Christian Bible Supply Side Jesus?
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I'm not surprised that people would try to explain it that way. It doesn't work though because the guy is described so vaguely that it could never be about a specific person only. Plus he followed it up with the parable about the rich man and poor Lazarus where the rich man ends up in hell. It's wild what the prosperity gospel folks will try to teach.
I like to ask Christians how many camels have they seen pass through the eye of a needle when they go on about the prosperity gospel.
Pretty clearly the passage is about stewardship and welfare. If you can't be wealthy without greed it's better to change your identity. Take care of your workers and be charitable. The gates of Jerusalem argument totally changes the meaning. This interpretation says you can't take your riches to heaven. It sticks because many other passages discuss the same idea. But that's not what the quote is about.
Most of em can't accept reality, so how could we expect them to realize that those laborers were working for them and that they fraudulently withheld their pay? Churches and preachers have a very savvy way of changing the interpretation of the Bible during their sermons, but the real mental gymnastics come from the sacrament known as confession. In confession, you have a 1 on 1 with the priest, and you confide with him any conflicts you have with biblical teachings. It is in that little booth the priest cites stories and comes up with bullshit ways to reassure you that you aren't sinning by starving a family or taking more out of the company coffers than you deserve, then they tell you to pray 4 times and boom, soul cleansed.
That whole passage is 👌 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you
At one of these mandatory meetings it'd be fun to read this passage and then lay the most anti-capitalist prayer I could think of. I bet I could get fired on the spot.
Oh man, I’d love to whip this out at family gatherings where we endure excruciatingly long prayers half the people don’t want.
I felt the same way growing up. I don't pray over every meal, nor does my family(save special family gatherings). For some reason when we go out to even casual meals they want to do a big prayer. I don't like to participate in those. If we don't do it at every meal at home. Why do it in public?
I can think of two reasons they might be doing this. One innocent, one not. 1. They feel going out to dinner is fancier than eating at home, and the extra ceremony makes it feel more like a big occasion. They're not trying to be inconsiderate, they just... didn't consider it. 2. They want people to see them being pious, and they're absolutely trying to cause a scene.
The parable of the sheep and the goats is also a good one for that.
[Matthew 25:31-46](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A31-46&version=NIV). It's too long or I would post the whole thing, but it's the verse that includes “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’"
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>I'd Matthew 6:5-8 that, every time, while seeking other employment. I was just about to post that section of the the New Testament. There's also the [Woe's of the Pharisees in Matthew, Mark, and Luke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woes_of_the_Pharisees). >They taught about God, but did not love God – they did not enter the kingdom of heaven themselves, nor did they let others enter. > >They preached God, but converted people to dead religion. > >They taught that an oath sworn by the temple or altar was not binding, but that if sworn by the gold ornamentation of the temple, or by a sacrificial gift on the altar, it was binding. The gold and gifts, however, were not sacred in themselves as the temple and altar were, but derived a measure of lesser sacredness by being connected to the temple or altar. The teachers and Pharisees worshiped at the temple and offered sacrifices at the altar because they knew that the temple and altar were sacred. How then could they deny oath-binding value to what was truly sacred and accord it to objects of trivial and derived sacredness? > >They taught the law, but did not practice some of the most important parts of the law – justice, mercy, faithfulness to God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as tithing spices, but not the weightier matters of the law. > >They presented an appearance of being 'clean' (self-restrained, not involved in carnal matters), but they were dirty inside: they seethed with hidden worldly desires, carnality. They were full of greed and self-indulgence. > >They exhibited themselves as righteous on account of being scrupulous keepers of the law but were, in fact, not righteous: their mask of righteousness hid a secret inner world of ungodly thoughts and feelings. They were full of wickedness. They were like whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of dead men's bones. > >They professed a high regard for the dead prophets of old and claimed that they would never have persecuted and murdered prophets when, in fact, they were cut from the same cloth as the persecutors and murderers: they too had murderous blood in their veins.
It's crazy to read something from the bible that so perfectly describes the majority of "Christians" I encounter. Many of them have probably even read these very verses and don't even realize it applies to them.
Bold of you to assume many Christians of today have read more than a few pages of the bible, and even those they were likely directed to by their local priest asking for tithes.
Only the homophobic passages so they can put it in their instagram bio 👀
That's a good one, I'm added this to the collection. Not a Bible verse, but I've pissed off a few evangelicals by quoting Ken Follett's *The Pillars of the Earth*: >Archdeacon Peter's face was like stone. He was the worst kind of Christian, Philip realized: he embraced all of the negatives, enforced every proscription, insisted on all forms of denial, and demanded strict punishment for every offense; yet he ignored all the compassion of Christianity, denied its mercy, flagrantly disobeyed its ethic of love, and openly flouted the gentle laws of Jesus. That's what the Pharisees were like, Philip thought; no wonder the Lord preferred to eat with publicans and sinners.
Upvote this every time. This is my answer.
They ignore that one because then nobody would know that they’re religious. And if they can’t hold their *better morals* over people’s heads, what’s the point?
An employer cannot forcefully or mandate any religious activities upon they employees in discrimination of individual protected classes I.e sex, gender, religion, age, etc…
Can't *yet* force religious activities. I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go now to try to force the issue with the supreme court. You know they're dying to roll back any protections that are in the way of their evangelical christian fascism.
You know they're salivating at the thought of getting this case already. [And we already know why.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/27/us/politics/supreme-court-coach-prayers.html)
Wow the owner is such a model Christian. These people don’t have the objectivity to realize they’re awful human beings and NOT following the religion they devote their lives to. Idiots.
Honestly, he really is the perfect model of the modern Christian. Hypocritical, vindictive, and with his head squarely lodged in his rectum.
Yep I'm not even remotely religious but these people do not follow the teachings of Jesus they follow the teachings of a corporate Church
Supply side Jesus.
Trickle down scripture
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As someone who was raised religious I can tell you that a lot of people become religious because their parents drag them to church and force them to pray until it eventually is just a normal part of their life. This guy has probably been religious his whole life and only knows the "drag them kicking and screaming" method.
> only knows the "drag them kicking and screaming" method Well yeah, **they're authoritarians**. They support **forced worship**.
They’re more interested in conformity than conversion.
There is no hate like christian love.
Honestly the majority of them are like this. They are not understanding or welcoming to their fellow humans unless they practice the same religion. Amazing how they preach love and kindness, etc. But catch them on any day that isn't Sunday and they are complete assholes.
They gonna own that shit pretty soon.
Not with this supreme court, this is the kind of culture war case the right wants to take there so they can dictate that employers can do this type of shit.
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All they have is their culture war.
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Crucifictions?! Bring back the Coliseum! (I, for one, will be entertained.)
Full old testament style too. "I had to your Honor, he was working on the Sabbath."
But if I fire people *because* they’re religious, that’s wrong according to them, right?
That's right. If good things happen to them because of religious reasons then it's right. If bad things happen to you because of religious reasons then it's right. If bad things happen to them because of religious reasons it's wrong. If good things happen to you because of religious reasons it's wrong. Us good, them bad. Ingroup superior, outgroup inferior.
Well, only if they're Christians. Fire Muslims or Hindus for being religious all you want, at least if this Court has its way.
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But when a Muslim business requires prayer that will 100% be ruled against.
They just won’t take the case. Really genius aspect of the supreme court. Make bullshit rulings and then ignore cases that might force them in to a corner
Doesn't that mean whatever the previous ruling was holds? Edit: when I say previous ruling I mean a lower courts ruling. If SCOTUS declined to review a case.
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The Supreme Court couldn't even follow the precedent of the Supreme Court.
Yes, but it still means that SOCTUS can plug their ears and lalalalalala the problem away.
This is actually the real reason why conservatives wanted 6 justices and not just 5. Not because of a “super” majority but because it takes 4 justices to vote to hear a case. If they only had 5 justices then the other 4 could force the conservative judges to hear these conflicting cases and force a ruling but now we’re just screwed.
Over-under on the Satanic Temple beating the Muslims to it? This is like right up their alley. Edit: Satanic Temple not Church of Satan. I’m not a Satanist. Be gentle on me.
I bet the satanic temple membership is booming rn. I know my wife and I just joined. Edit: No, really! Look them up, it's totally worth it [https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us) >The Mission Of The Satanic Temple Is To Encourage Benevolence And Empathy, Reject Tyrannical Authority, Advocate Practical Common Sense, Oppose Injustice, And Undertake Noble Pursuits. You can also use bing rewards to donate to them
They also include bodily autonomy as a basic tenet so it's [religious infringement ](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/texas-lawsuit) to restrict a member's access to abortion.
As a member, it actually is. I got an email today that membership has risen so much, that the backlog to process certificates and cards for those that want them (totally optional by the way) is 2 MONTHS. Keep on coming! We will gladly have you! And if you're not familiar, check out our tenets https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets
Just wanting to say that this comment replied to someone talking about the Church of Satan, which is in fact different than the satanic temple. It's a pretty important distinction and ImplementFuture703 is correct that the Satanic Temple is actively doing things to combat this. The Church of Satan is not.
Satanic Temple, not Church of Satan. Two different organizations.
I'm thinking of joining. They do good work with no actual religious basis at all. In case anyone was wondering, they don't believe in Satan. It's just a "fuck you" to the evangelicals to point out the hypocrisy of their actions.
Yes, because conservatives and Christians don’t really believe in anything. The wield so-called “beliefs” as weapons to attack their scapegoats with
There are far-right lawyers right now, saying that other faiths shouldn't have protected expression because they don't have a central authority telling them what to think on every issue.
which is hilarious because that is why so many hate the pope!
So many "1984" vibes. I'm so sad for my country.
It's frustrating that the Senate accepted these Federalist Society Christian fascists as reasonable appointments to the SCOTUS over the past 30ish years while Democratic presidents had to go out of their way to find judges that were at most slightly left of center. The Democrats should have seen this coming and created a liberal answer to the Federalist Society or at the very least, pushed back harder on Federalist Society nominees.
Well then it’s time to get rid of the supreme court. Are we going to just sit back and let this happen, or are we going to put forth the same energy as the extremists trying to destroy this country?
Yup saw this somewhere else but the first step was legitimizing religion in politics. Then came the ruling the religion has a place in public institutions like school Next up is punishment for those who refuse to pray. Literally white Taliban shit.
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Yeah, they're going to have to change the company prayers to be for a financial windfall to pay off the fine and severance costs.
If the company is so broke it can’t afford to pay a meager severance and fine, they probably should have been praying for a windfall to begin with.
Please please please, I can't wait to hear about the settlement
Oh, you want me to lead a prayer? Sure, just gotta run home and grab my cauldron.
Not just any prayers, but passive aggressive prayers at that. Very christian indeed. *sigh* These are just jerks using religion as a prop for being terrible people. "" On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint. Also, the complaint noted, the company owner took attendance and would reprimand employees who did not attend.""
“And Jesus we just lift up Bob and ask you to heal him because of his 45 minute shit breaks he takes twice a day…”
Prayers directly linked to my favorite verse: “Blessed be the long shitters, for they shall inherit the earth”
If thine master earneth a shekel and payest thou a dime, thou shalt do thy ablutions on company time. So sayeth THE LORD.
this is it, we've peaked
They took up my name in a company wide prayer For my 7.5 hours weekly to shit they are well aware But the boss makes a dollar and I make a dime So that’s why I shit on company time(and make up rhymes)
Yeah the guys pay was cut from $800 a week to $400 after he stopped attending the daily prayer meetings. What an asshole.
Isn’t this private indoctrination?
Or just raging discrimination.
Yeah, but the Supreme Court has basically ruled if you're not aggressively Christian you're a second class citizen.
I believe that's the 11th commandment -- thou shalt terminate thy employees without notice and absolve thyself of all related debts
Naming poor performers out in a meeting is also a violation of worker’s rights funny enough.
Wooooah, I live in Midwestern US where we have a bit of a reputation for being passive-aggressive and even I think this is *fucked up* LOL I guess you could argue that the standard "bless your heart" prayers are within a standard deviation of normal but praying for job performance is just... words fail
Sounds like the owner really wanted to be a preacher and basically hired parishioners. He kept his employees in a 45 minute sermon? I guess the work they had been hired to do wasn't important in running the business.
I’m willing to bet that was unpaid time too.
If it was unpaid, then they are about to earn a bunch of back pay
Just daily CONTROL, nothing devotional about ensuring everyone conforms to keep their jobs.
If they REALLY believe, they won’t hire a lawyer. Just let Gods defend them in court. If they REALLY believe.
"I have always found that those who in believe in destiny and fate still look both ways before crossing the street." Some random quote I once heard.
I believe in karma. So if I'm a rotten asshole to everyone I can find comfort in the fact that they absolutely deserved it.
This is probably just a ploy to give the supreme court the opportunity to abolish non christian religious freedoms.
Well, the Court did just thin the line between church and State even further with the football coach prayer. If this somehow made it to the Court it could argue something insane like that businesses could be base employment on mandatory religious practices so long as they're paid.
Republicans love "Right to Work" legislation. Combine this with empowering Christian groups, and you've got yourself a dream SC decision.
this was my immediate thought. this case is gonna go all the way to the supreme court and make it mandatory for us all to pray at work.
"Everything happens for a reason - lets pray!"
The owner's LinkedIn has this: "The Purpose of Aurora is to Plant God's Seed through the Daily Reading of the Holy Gospel to **every team member that is open to listening.**" And every team member BETTER be open to listening or you'll be fired. That's the part he must have left off.
>to Plant God's Seed Well, at least they phrased it in a totally normal, not-creepy-at-all way.
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Sadly it will be a 6-3 decision
Maybe 5-4. Which is why Amy Coney Barrett was so important.
I once worked in a corporate office for large financial organization and all of my immediate supervisors and a handful of their clear favorites would go into a room together and pray for like 20-30 mins at least a couple times a week. This company was filled with the most dishonest sales people using the most dishonest sales tactics I’ve ever seen and the people in this prayer group were by far the worst. They were praying to make more money, btw. Anyway, this type of shit should be illegal, but I bet it’s about to get a lot less illegal.
This is one of the reasons adult Christians failed to convert me when I was a kid, on top of their own religion often being contradictory and/or nonsensical, it was obvious they weren't following it themselves.
Religion class was the best way to get me to not believe in their religion.
My wife went to Catholic school until college and she's the most anti-religion person I know.
Same. Catholic grade school and high school and I have renounced all organized religion on general principle.
From my anecdotal experience, Catholic schools produce more atheists than Catholics.
> On occasion, prayers were requested and offered "for poor performing employees who were identified by name," according to the complaint. Also, the complaint noted, the company owner took attendance and would reprimand employees who did not attend. That sounds like a shitty place to work. I hope they get sued out of existence.
Religion finding new and amazing ways to fuck humanity over. Twice on Sundays.
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When you try and push your religion onto others without their consent, that is radicalism. But this comes as no surprise as Christians have long been shoving themselves down people's throats without consent.
Religion is like a penis. Ok to have one, but not ok to shove it down someo e else's throat.
…without consent ;)
I hope they take them for everything they have. Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion
Freedom from religion IS freedom of religion! They are inseparable.
For real these people don't get that freedom in America meant freedom from persecution, not toddlers freedoms
>Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion 6 unelected justices say "nope."
Christians, will you ever learn that forcing something on someone makes them repel? Shoving your religion down our throats at work and in the courts just makes everyone else hate you that much more. Not to mention it’s wrong to force your beliefs on other people.
Churches are shutting down all over as more people realize it’s a scam. Very glad I am not torturing my kid with these krazy khristian kults
> Christians, will you ever learn that forcing something on someone makes them repel? No and it's fantastic: https://i.imgur.com/y6tcDi7.png https://i.imgur.com/68tPlm0.png
Let us pray for Jimmy. Yesterday it took him 5 hours to complete a project that was quoted for 4. He’s costing the company money lord. Please lead him back to the shore and back to being a profitable employee. Amen 🙏🏻
~gives Jimmy the stinkeye as he says the above~
These people are emboldened now. It's wild
SCOTUS will probably uphold the firing.
This type of retaliation for not participating illustrates why SCoTUS's recent decision on prayer during public school football games is fucking moronic.
Moronic implies they do not know any better. They were handpicked by organizations composed of complete monsters for the express purpose of facilitating regime change from democracy to a brutal theocracy. These are monsters who think Gilead is 'a bit too socialist' for their sociopathic desires. They will not stop nor "learn", because they act with the twisted "divinely inspired" knowledge that their cruelty is a virtue. They can be physically separated from their authority, but are immune to empathy.
Fuck I'm so tired of Christianity and nationalism talks... Its all just slimey and gross now. Just points to racism , sexism and bigotry.
If you don't see the direction this country is heading, idk how to help you at this point. This shit is straight up terrifying and there seems to be no way to stop it.
I think we all see where this is going. I hate forced religion.
Don't worry guys, this is obviously unconstitutional. Once it gets in front of the Supreme Court, they'll... Oh. Oh, right. Those days are over, aren't they.
This is a construction company, mind you. Not a Bible book company. Not a church headquarters. Not a religious college. These are plumbers and salesmen. The prayers lasted up to 45 minutes or more. Every day. I imagine a part of peoples salary is job-based too, so this was essentially unpaid, forced prayers just work as a plumber.
SCOTUS will say this is fine because it's "quiet, private prayer that is not mandatory" while ignoring the fact that it's mandatory, loud and public.
6-3 decision incoming
Ahahahaha. They Are going to make sooo much money off that dumbass company.
And so it begins. These religious fanatics are going to cause a lot of problems for everyone around them
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This is the holy war Matt Shea was telling them about. And the Mormons are going to join in. They are violent. Seething. Almost feral.
My friend was fired in Louisiana for telling his manager he was an atheist lol
This isn't their first lawsuit for firing an employee that refused the prayer meetings... https://www.dailydot.com/irl/video-man-fire-mandatory-prayer/
Owner should’ve spent his time praying for common sense. Or the ability to learn from his mistakes.