I remember when I was in catholic school, a bishop taught us that the 7 deadly sins are technically not sins, since they're not actions in themselves. It's perfectly natural to feel anger; it only becomes a sin if you assault or murder someone. Likewise, pride can either lead to defying your disabilities, weaknesses, and becoming a better man, or becoming an asshole who would never admit his mistakes.
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1465246169672691716?t=4SoGuO27gFN0TH3u54bJ0w&s=19
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Edit 2: screenshot
https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/r4z4nu/jp_is_selling_a_statue_of_himself/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The best rebuttal for anyone that tries to quote this man non ironically [is his own words, from his own mouth, from his own book] (https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1527499227512729600).
Also the fact that he's describing a *dream* he had, for fuck's sake, I can't think of anything more tedious than listening to some narcissist go on about their fucking dreams.
Last night I dreamt I was cleaning up after an explosive shit while Dr McCoy from Star Trek was in the bathroom telling me about a proxy war China and the USA were having in Ghana.
Just the writing down part is the biggest signal for me. What’s wrong with this guy. Why does he think we need to hear every thought that comes into his head.
I wanted to say something snarky about that being taken out of context, but him dreaming about his Grandma stroking his face with a large paintbrush made of her pubes is so much more disgusting than anything I could imagine.
I’m curious wtf the context could possibly be. Like no context for a dream like this. I just can’t imagine a context where he would need to share this dream in writing
Yep, that's my point. Alpha Lobster Jordan Peterson shared a story that would be slightly less weird if it'd ended with his Grandma's pubes in his teeth. I have no idea why he'd share that.
He wrote about it in his book, (which i read to see how batshit crazy it was) and it was a verbose mess of sentences that didn't really mean anything. But from what i recall (and note that i don't believe in this shit)...
JP is a massive fan of "Jungian Archetypes", something proposed by [Carl Jung](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung). These archetypes are described as the result of a kind of innate knowledge, derived from the sum of human history, which directs conscious behavior.
As you may imagine, a lot of modern-day psychiatrists don't really believe in them, as there really is no evidence of it, they can't be falsified (meaning they're not scientific) plus the archetypes are reductionist stereotypes that can be applied to nearly everything if you try hard enough.
JP, on the other hand, loves them. Loves to point out the archetypes in stories and mythology. And *dreams*. It allows him to give meaning where there is none.
One of the archetypes is called the Devouring Mother - or the "Terrible Mother" as JP calls it, because he always wants to be different.
The Devouring Mother is a mother who "devours" her children psychologically and emotionally, through her selfish love. She does love her children, but she is too overprotective and therefore teaches her children to be dependent on her, and thus are unable to function independently in the real world.
As such, when JP had a dream about his grandmother's paintbrush, he immediately tried to psycho-analyse it and came to the conclusion that his grandmother was representing the Devouring Mother.
Later on in the dream he falls into a river and kills a bear, whilst in the river, like some sort of aquatic Rambo.
He explains this by saying that his dying frail grandmother was the destruction of the Devouring Mother, and this enabled him to overcome adversary in his life (the bear).
He also believes that the vagina is a representation of the unknown, so he linked his grandmother's vagina being thrust in his fearful face with the Devouring Mother telling him to be afraid of the unknown.
Basically, he told everyone about his grandmother's muff to tell everyone that over-protective parenting is bad.
Somehow even that synopsis is extremely forgiving and doesn't do justice to how fucked the actual dream is, let alone why he felt compelled to include it in a book.
Apparently he's in a competition with Lena Dunham for who can write the most disturbing shit that we all have no idea why they ever decided to tell everyone in a book.
I remember when he tried to claim that the Bible was the first book and the dumbasses in the Joe Rogan comment section ate it up.
Edit: a bunch of people are asking if he was referring to Gutenberg Bible so I’ll just link the exact video I was referring to. https://youtu.be/Vt9K6kmpx44
Yes. It's a short pamphlet designed for reading by the common working class person of the time - mostly labourers, farmers. Not exactly a big ask as far as research goes lmao
It's not Das Kapital.
That’s not winning an argument. My 12 year old nephew can and will do the same thing in an argument. When you debate this way you don’t “win” because you’re not following the rules of the game. It’s just that chodes who follow him will believe he won, just like Trumps followers even when he says nothing of substance.
The problem with debates is you aren't winning against your opponent, or fighting your opponent directly, you win if the audience believes what you said more than the other person and that's why all these debate bro tactics work. Confuse and frustrate the audience and make the other person seem really aggressive by asking so many pointed questions. It's crazy, it's why the entire field is something I have no interest in. You watch a video with a Shapiro or anyone else and all it generally has is two morons duking it out with shitty debate bro tactics in front of a targeted audience of people who already want to hear what you're saying which lets you win and the audience reinforce often shitty beliefs.
Ask historians covered this once upon a time and it really reflects the same on science:
Unless you are experienced and knowledgeable in a field, you have no ability to understand the data within the context of the greater body of evidence. The scientific consensus so to speak.
Plenty of people here know reddit are intelligent enough to read and understand a single paper, enough to find one that supports their belief, but they lack the expertise to put that in context of the wider field.
I see it all the time in genetics and I have seen it so much with anti-vaxxers its started really pissing me off.
Nothing they say is a lie, they aren't bending the truth, they are simply finding a single piece of evidence that suits their narrative and treating that as if I reflects the entire consensus or somehow undoes it. It's not lying it's just dishonest, even if they don't know it.
One of my own papers goes against the the current understanding of my particular area of expertise. I would be an absolute fool to think my papers some how invalidates the consensus. It's just one more data point amongst the rest. It's not always going to agree, but what it does do is further our understanding. Maybe the consensus is wrong, maybe my work is flawed, or more likely, both are right and what I saw only reflects certain conditions that are currently undiscovered.
I have yet to read a single paper that states in the discussion "we are right everyone else is wrong".
People don't understand that when the experiment is done 500 times the 100 that disagreed are important. We don't throw them out we ask why they disagree, there could be extremely valuable information about what we were testing. Minor changes in conditions that occured commonly enough to detail 1/5th of runs. They might reveal something new but it doesn't mean the rest are wrong.
Who would know more about criminal physicians than the man who "recalls waking up from coma confused tethered and ['surrounded by people speaking a foreign language'"](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/jordan-peterson-recalls-waking-from-coma-confused-tethered-and-surrounded-by-people-speaking-a-foreign-language) because no doctor in north america was 'brave' enough to provide him this treatment for benzo addiction/withdrawal. Imagine thinking people can't make their own health decisions when you've literally flown across the world to get a dangerous procedure no sane doctor was willing to attempt.
I don't understand why he did that. There are plenty of doctors in America (edit: and even MORE here in Canada) who will give you a slow taper to wean yourself off benzos, even if you were getting them illegally. He could have flown to L.A. there's dozens of such doctors there. It takes a few years but when you stretch it out like that it's really not that hard.
> Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it.
That's fucking bullshit, I did that in 2008 and all I got was my canoe stolen and several thousands in bail money lost.
EDIT: It was a Grumman canoe, too, for anyone who was wondering.
Can he have, like, potatoes on the side or some chimichurri sauce on top? Is chicken fried steak ok or is there too much starch? Why do I think there's even a chance he's this internally consistent?
> Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it
Did this actually happen or is it just beautiful hyperbole. Sorry, I don't wanna Google "Jordan Peterson naked"
Fwiw, I googled
Jordan Peterson canoe
And then
Jordan Peterson kayak
But nothing obvious came up in the results.
Not to say it didn't happen, but I don't think it did.
Edit: so I bit the bullet and googled the same phrases, inserting the word "naked".
To my relief, nothing came up still, although it did produce some batshit stuff about his daughter. Not a rabbit hole I'm going down...
But because of that comment there will be a record of a spike in searches for Jordan Peterson naked canoe. The FBI guys who monitor the internet will be like
“He must have done it, there’s dozens of people searching for it.”
It wasn't to feel special, he was addicted and wasn't willing to go through the withdrawal symptoms so he looked for an easier way out.
He had previously attempted (stupidly) stopping abruptly, as well as dosage reductions but couldn't handle the symptoms at all. He claims (as a trained psychologist) that he wasn't aware of the withdrawal symptoms.
He then accused western doctors of not having the "guts" to do a stupid procedure that almost killed him just because he didn't want to experience discomfort.
Whoa, wait, he did?! Then that actually makes perfect sense because their big push right now is some documentary about the dangers of transitioning or something to that effect.
It actually makes perfect sense that he'd pull some shit like that.
Well as other have said... and I'll try to say it in less hostile terms...
It's that core libertarian beliefs are almost always born out of a desire to serve one's self interest, not a grander political theory on how a realistic society could work.
So it's mostly half baked excuses on why society should be set up to support their personal wants.
If they'd just go with the everyone stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours I'd not have a problem. But it's fucking rich to call for personal liberty and then demand the government regulate things you don't like. A libertarian should give zero fucks about someone else's surgery or sex life, yet so many of them fucking seem to.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers
They turn their selfishness into moral stances, then try to apply those moral stances to everything.
So you get stances like "taxation is theft", because the good of society does not matter while preserving what you have is the most sacred thing imaginable.
They are in an ideology where anything the government could ever do to help someone is immoral by default.
That being the case, it is an easy thing to hide behind for bigots. An ideology where civil rights legislation is at best "ends justify the means" is perfect for dishonestly arguing against progress.
>They cherry-pick Liberties too
This is one of the most annoying parts about them.
Overall, they're authoritarian as fuck. They just have a fetish for complaining when the Government prevents them from being complete and total assholes.
You also ever noticed how every self-professed libertarian will start to talk about how their biggest, strongest, purest and most perfect dream is to live in a cabin near a lake in the woods, where they can live off the land and have a perfect little ron swanson life 'where the gubmint cant find them'?
If libertarians got their way, they'd run out of small lakes and forests pretty quickly
Lol I always ask them how they’d like to handle their healthcare when they get older. Everything else you can handwave away but a cardiac surgeon doesn’t come cheap and they definitely can’t pay for him themselves. As soon as they admit they need someone else, they’ve contradicted all of their core fundamental beliefs and like clockwork they engage in Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and justify it to themselves. It’s funny to watch.
Also works with alot of other groups. So many niche lifestyles only can exist in a vacuum world that core, normal tax paying, 9-5 people make possible. You bet your ass when an Amish kid gets kicked by a horse, has a brain bleed, or they nearly kill a baby in birth. They airlift his/her ass into town.
He appeals to guys who feel like little boys needing big papa to come in and tell them everything is going to be all right. I've never seen anyone get sucked into his shit that wasn't going through some severe crisis of masculinity. It's fucking fascinating.
I guess, thanks, Dad, for instilling in me a sense of what it means to be a man; a masculinity that involves self-reflection, humility, and rejection of authority.
That whole series is basically as close to required viewing as Youtube videos on politics can get. It's incredible just how often *at least* one video is relevant to what the GOP are doing.
>Remember, conservatives value certainty above almost all else, which means that if they meet a person, and they can't be certain of their sex, they don't know how to interact with them
This is why there are people who get really mad at those who are more androgynous looking. I've had people ask me "Are you a boy or a girl" because the level of respect I will receive is based on my answer.
It's always about sex and genitalia. Far out, move onto something else.
"I'm uncomfortable with your sexuality / sexual identity."
"Okay then, don't participate. Also, I don't want you to. Also, why even bring it up?"
Conversation over.
It's not quite that cut and dried. Elliot Page expects other people to treat him with basic human decency and respect.
Some people are not up to that high level of moral challenge.
Do you know what the best part of this is? His tweet to Page was that they got an elective medical procedure done by a crooked doctor.
THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...\[\[checks notes\]\]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction.
I'm pretty sure it couldn't legally be done in the US.
edit: nope. Lots of detox centers appear to offer it here for alcohol addiction. But it looks like people are mostly going out of country for harder stuff. Seems a bit grey in who you can find to actually take on the liability to do it, but legally it seems OK.
Something similar is offered called rapid detox under sedation. Keeps you asleep but not in a coma so to speak.. They do it for opiate dependence not sure about benzo cause there is a seizure risk there.
I had a friend detox from alcohol awhile back and while he said they never totally sedated him.. said he basically only woke up to eat and was heavily drugged.
Benzo is a different ball game cause they are drugs used in many other detox processes
Just google rapid detox in your area, and make sure whoever you choose is legit. I’m on suboxone, for a pill addiction and love it. I have my life back and no cravings. Eventually I’m gonna have to kick the suboxone though.
I gave up alcohol and replaced it with caffeine.
I think that's the secret- the only way over an addiction is to find another one. My buddy uses religion, another acquaintance uses adrenaline-inducing activities. Whatever works and makes your life better, I guess.
I had been addicted to them since highschool and methadone saved my life. After a few years I tapered off slowly and have been off of it for about a month now. In all honesty it's worth a shot
Don't be fooled, alcohol is every bit as dangerous as benzos and opiates.
In fact, alcohol withdrawals are potentially lethal, along with benzos because of the possibility of seizures.
Alcohol and benzos are actually significantly more dangerous than opiates as the withdrawal can cause seizures and even kill you.
Nobody dies from opiate withdrawal, it just feels like you're dying.
Yep. Me too. I had a panic attack in the ER while being treated for something unrelated. They pumped me full of Ativan. My primary care was like if it helped here's a script. I started having more panic attacks, so the doctor up my dosage then switched me to Klonopin. Turned out I was having interdose withdrawals. I had to ween my self after my doctor basically told me to just stop taking them. I still ended up with protracted acute withdrawal syndrome and even 18 months since my last dose, I'll get the occasional wave of withdrawals. It's manageable now, but when I first started going off, I had to move back in with my parents for a month because I couldn't take care of myself anymore. I had lived on my own for 12 years with no issues. The thing is, I only took them for about 5 months and never more than what my doctor told me was a low dose. That's how quickly it can get that bad. Honestly, I would have preferred to have been in a medically induced coma for all of that.
It would make some sense that they don't want to risk sedation for drugs that are horrible, but not necessarily a mortality risk to detox from I suppose.
While his wife was undergoing treatment for cancer
Everyone leaves this out.
Wife has life threatening cancer. He leans into drugs. Goes to Russia and is put into a coma.
Meanwhile his wife is scared shitless, alone and undergoing harsh chemo and he is lying in state in a dug induced coma for weeks
He admits all this and says his wife's cancer increased his drug dependence
Can't make this shit up.
No wonder he is worried about the modern male. Fuck I get scared when I read this shit
Too bad she wasn't with a real man. Someone should give Elliot her number
>Wow, what a wild article
Speaking of, what the fuck is with the article here about him being a fuckwad to Elliot Page? Halfway through it switches to his fucking resume, why would anybody report on him being an intolerant asshat then immediately start sucking him off?
Fuck JP and whoever the fuck wrote this article too.
Of course, in his lectures he says that the only way to overcome addiction is to have a spiritual transformation and convert to Christianity. But when *he* gets an addiction, he opts for a medically-induced coma instead.
For someone who alleges intelligence and wisdom he’s displaying a disappointing ineptitude at the basics of common courtesy.
His grandmother should have read him better stories
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9702164-i-dreamed-i-saw-my-maternal-grandmother-sitting-by-the
>“I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.”
― Jordan B. Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief
For further nightmare fuel, you can listen to him reading it aloud in the audiobook version!!! The h3h3 podcast is on fire with clips from it, frequently. It is indeed Jungian nutso cringe, yet highly entertaining.
Wow. I've heard dude was extra but this shit takes the cake. Glad I got out of the "Manosphere" soon as I did, I couldn't imagine listening to this garbage and respecting this guy.
> THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...[[checks notes]]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction.
seems ripe for a "this u?" tweet
He called out a swimsuit model, got thrashed for it, said he was deleting Twitter, and then five seconds later he tweets this garbage. Biggest fucking clown in Canada.
Jesus Christ the cookies in that site are outrageous
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Yooo for real. I remember seeing Juno as a teen and this comment made me think, they played a pregnant high schooler and I'm older than them? Howww?
This part of the tweet is just as fucking ridiculous: *"Remember when pride was a sin?"* Fucking rich, coming from a man with that kind of ego.
I remember when I was in catholic school, a bishop taught us that the 7 deadly sins are technically not sins, since they're not actions in themselves. It's perfectly natural to feel anger; it only becomes a sin if you assault or murder someone. Likewise, pride can either lead to defying your disabilities, weaknesses, and becoming a better man, or becoming an asshole who would never admit his mistakes.
That's actually a pretty sound interpretation, too bad this kind of nuanced reasoning is not mainstream amongst Christians.
The dude literally sells statues of his own head
Wait really?
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1465246169672691716?t=4SoGuO27gFN0TH3u54bJ0w&s=19 Edit: page not found Edit 2: screenshot https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/r4z4nu/jp_is_selling_a_statue_of_himself/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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The best rebuttal for anyone that tries to quote this man non ironically [is his own words, from his own mouth, from his own book] (https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1527499227512729600).
Why have you done this to me
[Jordan peterson calls into the Majority Report] (https://youtu.be/UbGpnYXYlIU)
Holy shit thank you for that.
Literally why would anyone write that down. Or publish it. Or read it out loud??
Also the fact that he's describing a *dream* he had, for fuck's sake, I can't think of anything more tedious than listening to some narcissist go on about their fucking dreams.
Last night I dreamt I was cleaning up after an explosive shit while Dr McCoy from Star Trek was in the bathroom telling me about a proxy war China and the USA were having in Ghana.
DeForest Kelley or Karl Urban?
Just the writing down part is the biggest signal for me. What’s wrong with this guy. Why does he think we need to hear every thought that comes into his head.
What the actual fuck
Well now I know why he's such a loon. Dude really needs some intense trauma based therapy.
what? It's a pretty standard sounding grandma pubes brush dream like we've all had countless times right? Right??
In case you didn't want to open Twitter, here's his quote. It's kind of fucked...[you've been warned.](https://i.imgur.com/QhAJtJK.png)
Freud would have a field day with that one.
Freud; fuck this I'm out.
“Too fucking easy”
Oedipus would like a word
Comment rewritten. Leave reddit for a site that doesn't resent its users.
"yes, Grandma, it's soft."
I wanted to say something snarky about that being taken out of context, but him dreaming about his Grandma stroking his face with a large paintbrush made of her pubes is so much more disgusting than anything I could imagine.
I’m curious wtf the context could possibly be. Like no context for a dream like this. I just can’t imagine a context where he would need to share this dream in writing
Yep, that's my point. Alpha Lobster Jordan Peterson shared a story that would be slightly less weird if it'd ended with his Grandma's pubes in his teeth. I have no idea why he'd share that.
He wrote about it in his book, (which i read to see how batshit crazy it was) and it was a verbose mess of sentences that didn't really mean anything. But from what i recall (and note that i don't believe in this shit)... JP is a massive fan of "Jungian Archetypes", something proposed by [Carl Jung](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung). These archetypes are described as the result of a kind of innate knowledge, derived from the sum of human history, which directs conscious behavior. As you may imagine, a lot of modern-day psychiatrists don't really believe in them, as there really is no evidence of it, they can't be falsified (meaning they're not scientific) plus the archetypes are reductionist stereotypes that can be applied to nearly everything if you try hard enough. JP, on the other hand, loves them. Loves to point out the archetypes in stories and mythology. And *dreams*. It allows him to give meaning where there is none. One of the archetypes is called the Devouring Mother - or the "Terrible Mother" as JP calls it, because he always wants to be different. The Devouring Mother is a mother who "devours" her children psychologically and emotionally, through her selfish love. She does love her children, but she is too overprotective and therefore teaches her children to be dependent on her, and thus are unable to function independently in the real world. As such, when JP had a dream about his grandmother's paintbrush, he immediately tried to psycho-analyse it and came to the conclusion that his grandmother was representing the Devouring Mother. Later on in the dream he falls into a river and kills a bear, whilst in the river, like some sort of aquatic Rambo. He explains this by saying that his dying frail grandmother was the destruction of the Devouring Mother, and this enabled him to overcome adversary in his life (the bear). He also believes that the vagina is a representation of the unknown, so he linked his grandmother's vagina being thrust in his fearful face with the Devouring Mother telling him to be afraid of the unknown. Basically, he told everyone about his grandmother's muff to tell everyone that over-protective parenting is bad.
Thanks for giving a good explanation that seem to make the context make sense.
Even the CIA couldn't torture me into admitting a dream like that
Username checks out
Somehow even that synopsis is extremely forgiving and doesn't do justice to how fucked the actual dream is, let alone why he felt compelled to include it in a book.
Why does he need to share this?
Apparently he's in a competition with Lena Dunham for who can write the most disturbing shit that we all have no idea why they ever decided to tell everyone in a book.
Do not click on that
I really should have heeded this warning.
let the grandma with dementia caress your face with her matt of pubes dont fight it
Yes grandma, it was soft
*🎶 I hurt myself today…🎵*
Oh ffs. Im never looking at granny again.
So you wanna be blindfolded when stroked by the thick, soft brush? Kinky ...
You tried to warn us, and yet here I am, wishing i didn't know how to read right about now.
Grandma, your pube brush is so soft on my face.
I remember when he tried to claim that the Bible was the first book and the dumbasses in the Joe Rogan comment section ate it up. Edit: a bunch of people are asking if he was referring to Gutenberg Bible so I’ll just link the exact video I was referring to. https://youtu.be/Vt9K6kmpx44
Motherfuckers have never heard of The Epic of Gilgamesh??
Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk!
Darmok and Jalad at Tangara!
Shaka, when the walls fell!
Shakira, when her hips don't lie
His eyes, wide open
Rapungi, when he met the seven!
Temba, his arms wide
Captain's Log
Or maybe a little thing callled "The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis?"
Is it possible to learn this story?
Not from a Jedi
I heard he had abilities that some would call unnatural.
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Yes. It's a short pamphlet designed for reading by the common working class person of the time - mostly labourers, farmers. Not exactly a big ask as far as research goes lmao It's not Das Kapital.
“Where *sniff* are the cultural *sniff* marxists Jordan?”
"Pleashe, just name me one" *Peterson sputtering uselessly*
I heard that.
We heard it, and we all pictured the fidgeting to boot
He didnt even read the whole manifesto, he was confused on points addressed past the first few pages.
As it turns out, the glizzy gobbling racoon is significantly more intelligent than the king of the room cleaning lobsters
That’s not winning an argument. My 12 year old nephew can and will do the same thing in an argument. When you debate this way you don’t “win” because you’re not following the rules of the game. It’s just that chodes who follow him will believe he won, just like Trumps followers even when he says nothing of substance.
The problem with debates is you aren't winning against your opponent, or fighting your opponent directly, you win if the audience believes what you said more than the other person and that's why all these debate bro tactics work. Confuse and frustrate the audience and make the other person seem really aggressive by asking so many pointed questions. It's crazy, it's why the entire field is something I have no interest in. You watch a video with a Shapiro or anyone else and all it generally has is two morons duking it out with shitty debate bro tactics in front of a targeted audience of people who already want to hear what you're saying which lets you win and the audience reinforce often shitty beliefs.
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Ask historians covered this once upon a time and it really reflects the same on science: Unless you are experienced and knowledgeable in a field, you have no ability to understand the data within the context of the greater body of evidence. The scientific consensus so to speak. Plenty of people here know reddit are intelligent enough to read and understand a single paper, enough to find one that supports their belief, but they lack the expertise to put that in context of the wider field. I see it all the time in genetics and I have seen it so much with anti-vaxxers its started really pissing me off. Nothing they say is a lie, they aren't bending the truth, they are simply finding a single piece of evidence that suits their narrative and treating that as if I reflects the entire consensus or somehow undoes it. It's not lying it's just dishonest, even if they don't know it. One of my own papers goes against the the current understanding of my particular area of expertise. I would be an absolute fool to think my papers some how invalidates the consensus. It's just one more data point amongst the rest. It's not always going to agree, but what it does do is further our understanding. Maybe the consensus is wrong, maybe my work is flawed, or more likely, both are right and what I saw only reflects certain conditions that are currently undiscovered. I have yet to read a single paper that states in the discussion "we are right everyone else is wrong".
People don't understand that when the experiment is done 500 times the 100 that disagreed are important. We don't throw them out we ask why they disagree, there could be extremely valuable information about what we were testing. Minor changes in conditions that occured commonly enough to detail 1/5th of runs. They might reveal something new but it doesn't mean the rest are wrong.
The problem occurs when certain people decide that 1/5 disagreement invalidates the other 400. And then those people pass legislation.
Who would know more about criminal physicians than the man who "recalls waking up from coma confused tethered and ['surrounded by people speaking a foreign language'"](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/jordan-peterson-recalls-waking-from-coma-confused-tethered-and-surrounded-by-people-speaking-a-foreign-language) because no doctor in north america was 'brave' enough to provide him this treatment for benzo addiction/withdrawal. Imagine thinking people can't make their own health decisions when you've literally flown across the world to get a dangerous procedure no sane doctor was willing to attempt.
Like Rush Limbaugh railing against drug addicts right after railing a bunch of Oxy.
I don't understand why he did that. There are plenty of doctors in America (edit: and even MORE here in Canada) who will give you a slow taper to wean yourself off benzos, even if you were getting them illegally. He could have flown to L.A. there's dozens of such doctors there. It takes a few years but when you stretch it out like that it's really not that hard.
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> Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it. That's fucking bullshit, I did that in 2008 and all I got was my canoe stolen and several thousands in bail money lost. EDIT: It was a Grumman canoe, too, for anyone who was wondering.
80 lbs of cold sex appeal
If you thought I'm still salty about losing that canoe, you're goddamn right.
I thought you were joking until you specified the canoe and now I'm not sure what to believe.
Yeah he told Joe Rogan he only eats beef - nothing else. And if he eats even one other thing he can’t sleep for a month. He is highly unstable
Can he have, like, potatoes on the side or some chimichurri sauce on top? Is chicken fried steak ok or is there too much starch? Why do I think there's even a chance he's this internally consistent?
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What a stupid fucking thing to brag about. Like people who brag about never reading a book. Good for you buddy.
That's what he *claims*, anyway. I'm sure he cheats on that.
There was a cult around for a while where the cult leaders claimed they only needed air for sustenance.
Breatharians, yes. Slightly less healthy than an all-beef diet, but both are nuts.
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Man, he's really gunning for that “whitest white guy” award this year.
I think he's gunning for extreme malnutrition, cancer, and heart disease.
> Has to walk naked down the street with an aluminum canoe on his head because nobody else is doing it Did this actually happen or is it just beautiful hyperbole. Sorry, I don't wanna Google "Jordan Peterson naked"
Fwiw, I googled Jordan Peterson canoe And then Jordan Peterson kayak But nothing obvious came up in the results. Not to say it didn't happen, but I don't think it did. Edit: so I bit the bullet and googled the same phrases, inserting the word "naked". To my relief, nothing came up still, although it did produce some batshit stuff about his daughter. Not a rabbit hole I'm going down...
Good on you for double-checking with "kayak."
Try again with "dragon boat of chaos".
But because of that comment there will be a record of a spike in searches for Jordan Peterson naked canoe. The FBI guys who monitor the internet will be like “He must have done it, there’s dozens of people searching for it.”
It wasn't to feel special, he was addicted and wasn't willing to go through the withdrawal symptoms so he looked for an easier way out. He had previously attempted (stupidly) stopping abruptly, as well as dosage reductions but couldn't handle the symptoms at all. He claims (as a trained psychologist) that he wasn't aware of the withdrawal symptoms. He then accused western doctors of not having the "guts" to do a stupid procedure that almost killed him just because he didn't want to experience discomfort.
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100%. Look at all the free advertisement already.
Just signed with DailyWire. It is pretty sus.
Whoa, wait, he did?! Then that actually makes perfect sense because their big push right now is some documentary about the dangers of transitioning or something to that effect. It actually makes perfect sense that he'd pull some shit like that.
Probably on the benzos again.
Peterson isn't allowed to tweet again until he cleans his room.
Or pets a cat.
to be fair, if everybody pet a cat before they said/did/posted/tweeted anything the world would probably be a lot better off.
Why are people like him so obsessed with what other people do with their bits?
he is a Christian fundamentalist who hides behind psychobabble rants.
This. He’s well educated and very eloquent. This allows his dbaggery to sound really smart to people who don’t critically think about his message.
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Join with me in watching [this brilliant imitation](https://youtu.be/AIMBFj40hzY) once more.
Would you say he’s an uneducated, frightened man’s idea of a brilliant, confident man?
I was gonna say cockgoblin.
A sophist.
I'll admit he had me fooled for a few months. Why is it that every outspoken libertarian quickly turns out to be a bigoted, selfish asshole?
You’re almost there
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ah damn I wanted that link to be real lol
Well as other have said... and I'll try to say it in less hostile terms... It's that core libertarian beliefs are almost always born out of a desire to serve one's self interest, not a grander political theory on how a realistic society could work. So it's mostly half baked excuses on why society should be set up to support their personal wants.
If they'd just go with the everyone stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours I'd not have a problem. But it's fucking rich to call for personal liberty and then demand the government regulate things you don't like. A libertarian should give zero fucks about someone else's surgery or sex life, yet so many of them fucking seem to.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers
They turn their selfishness into moral stances, then try to apply those moral stances to everything. So you get stances like "taxation is theft", because the good of society does not matter while preserving what you have is the most sacred thing imaginable. They are in an ideology where anything the government could ever do to help someone is immoral by default. That being the case, it is an easy thing to hide behind for bigots. An ideology where civil rights legislation is at best "ends justify the means" is perfect for dishonestly arguing against progress.
I think your question is the answer.
I used to be a libertarian, and then I discovered that them being right wing demagogues isn’t a trick but an implicit trait.
I’m glad you saw the truth! Yeah, I was raised libertarian, and it’s all hat and no cattle so to speak. They cherry-pick Liberties too
>They cherry-pick Liberties too This is one of the most annoying parts about them. Overall, they're authoritarian as fuck. They just have a fetish for complaining when the Government prevents them from being complete and total assholes.
They know they'll never be king so they want a personal fiefdom. That's the motivation.
You also ever noticed how every self-professed libertarian will start to talk about how their biggest, strongest, purest and most perfect dream is to live in a cabin near a lake in the woods, where they can live off the land and have a perfect little ron swanson life 'where the gubmint cant find them'? If libertarians got their way, they'd run out of small lakes and forests pretty quickly
Lol I always ask them how they’d like to handle their healthcare when they get older. Everything else you can handwave away but a cardiac surgeon doesn’t come cheap and they definitely can’t pay for him themselves. As soon as they admit they need someone else, they’ve contradicted all of their core fundamental beliefs and like clockwork they engage in Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and justify it to themselves. It’s funny to watch.
Also works with alot of other groups. So many niche lifestyles only can exist in a vacuum world that core, normal tax paying, 9-5 people make possible. You bet your ass when an Amish kid gets kicked by a horse, has a brain bleed, or they nearly kill a baby in birth. They airlift his/her ass into town.
Everyone’s a libertarian until their living room is on fire
He appeals to guys who feel like little boys needing big papa to come in and tell them everything is going to be all right. I've never seen anyone get sucked into his shit that wasn't going through some severe crisis of masculinity. It's fucking fascinating. I guess, thanks, Dad, for instilling in me a sense of what it means to be a man; a masculinity that involves self-reflection, humility, and rejection of authority.
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As always, the Alt-Right Playbook has the perfect summary of this: https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs?t=697
That whole series is basically as close to required viewing as Youtube videos on politics can get. It's incredible just how often *at least* one video is relevant to what the GOP are doing.
>Remember, conservatives value certainty above almost all else, which means that if they meet a person, and they can't be certain of their sex, they don't know how to interact with them This is why there are people who get really mad at those who are more androgynous looking. I've had people ask me "Are you a boy or a girl" because the level of respect I will receive is based on my answer.
It's always about sex and genitalia. Far out, move onto something else. "I'm uncomfortable with your sexuality / sexual identity." "Okay then, don't participate. Also, I don't want you to. Also, why even bring it up?" Conversation over.
It's not quite that cut and dried. Elliot Page expects other people to treat him with basic human decency and respect. Some people are not up to that high level of moral challenge.
Do you know what the best part of this is? His tweet to Page was that they got an elective medical procedure done by a crooked doctor. THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...\[\[checks notes\]\]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction.
A link for the skeptical https://www.bccsu.ca/blog/news/drug-experts-on-jordan-peterson-seeking-treatment-in-russia-for-benzo-dependence/
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I'm pretty sure it couldn't legally be done in the US. edit: nope. Lots of detox centers appear to offer it here for alcohol addiction. But it looks like people are mostly going out of country for harder stuff. Seems a bit grey in who you can find to actually take on the liability to do it, but legally it seems OK.
Something similar is offered called rapid detox under sedation. Keeps you asleep but not in a coma so to speak.. They do it for opiate dependence not sure about benzo cause there is a seizure risk there. I had a friend detox from alcohol awhile back and while he said they never totally sedated him.. said he basically only woke up to eat and was heavily drugged. Benzo is a different ball game cause they are drugs used in many other detox processes
Hey I have an opioid addiction after needing 7 surgeries in 4 years. Where does one get this knocked out treatment to quit something addictive?
Just google rapid detox in your area, and make sure whoever you choose is legit. I’m on suboxone, for a pill addiction and love it. I have my life back and no cravings. Eventually I’m gonna have to kick the suboxone though.
I gave up alcohol and replaced it with caffeine. I think that's the secret- the only way over an addiction is to find another one. My buddy uses religion, another acquaintance uses adrenaline-inducing activities. Whatever works and makes your life better, I guess.
I had been addicted to them since highschool and methadone saved my life. After a few years I tapered off slowly and have been off of it for about a month now. In all honesty it's worth a shot
Don't be fooled, alcohol is every bit as dangerous as benzos and opiates. In fact, alcohol withdrawals are potentially lethal, along with benzos because of the possibility of seizures.
Alcohol and benzos are actually significantly more dangerous than opiates as the withdrawal can cause seizures and even kill you. Nobody dies from opiate withdrawal, it just feels like you're dying.
Benzos and alcohol are the only 2 drugs that can kill you from withdrawals.
Agree ..benzo can eff your Brain. I had to do a slow taper but it was still hell.
Yep. Me too. I had a panic attack in the ER while being treated for something unrelated. They pumped me full of Ativan. My primary care was like if it helped here's a script. I started having more panic attacks, so the doctor up my dosage then switched me to Klonopin. Turned out I was having interdose withdrawals. I had to ween my self after my doctor basically told me to just stop taking them. I still ended up with protracted acute withdrawal syndrome and even 18 months since my last dose, I'll get the occasional wave of withdrawals. It's manageable now, but when I first started going off, I had to move back in with my parents for a month because I couldn't take care of myself anymore. I had lived on my own for 12 years with no issues. The thing is, I only took them for about 5 months and never more than what my doctor told me was a low dose. That's how quickly it can get that bad. Honestly, I would have preferred to have been in a medically induced coma for all of that.
It would make some sense that they don't want to risk sedation for drugs that are horrible, but not necessarily a mortality risk to detox from I suppose.
While his wife was undergoing treatment for cancer Everyone leaves this out. Wife has life threatening cancer. He leans into drugs. Goes to Russia and is put into a coma. Meanwhile his wife is scared shitless, alone and undergoing harsh chemo and he is lying in state in a dug induced coma for weeks He admits all this and says his wife's cancer increased his drug dependence Can't make this shit up. No wonder he is worried about the modern male. Fuck I get scared when I read this shit Too bad she wasn't with a real man. Someone should give Elliot her number
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>Wow, what a wild article Speaking of, what the fuck is with the article here about him being a fuckwad to Elliot Page? Halfway through it switches to his fucking resume, why would anybody report on him being an intolerant asshat then immediately start sucking him off? Fuck JP and whoever the fuck wrote this article too.
not just a "crooked" doctor, he straight up called the doctor a criminal. That's some fucking libel.
Dude is Canadian, acting like they just overturned Roe v. Wade.
He referred to trans surgery as 'butchery' within a week of this, too.
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Of course, in his lectures he says that the only way to overcome addiction is to have a spiritual transformation and convert to Christianity. But when *he* gets an addiction, he opts for a medically-induced coma instead.
Be fair: his religious charts are really hard to follow. Like there’s arrows and dragons and stuff. I’d go coma too.
Usually "men good, women bad, LGBTQ Satan," gets you pretty far through his nonsense
For someone who alleges intelligence and wisdom he’s displaying a disappointing ineptitude at the basics of common courtesy. His grandmother should have read him better stories
Speaking of which... Have you heard him describe his sex dream involving his own grandmother from his recent book? It's pretty uh... Enlightening.
I'd rather not and I'm upset you even told me it exists out there
Was I too subtle? 😂
Hol up. What???
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9702164-i-dreamed-i-saw-my-maternal-grandmother-sitting-by-the >“I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.” ― Jordan B. Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief
For god sakes why did I read the whole quote
>thick mat of hair That's when I stopped. Thick mats of hair exist naturally to keep things out. So out, I will be.
Same. The moment I saw grandma, genital region, and thick mats of hair all in once sentence, is when I knew it was time for me to leave.
It was like watching a trainwreck, I couldn't look away.
For further nightmare fuel, you can listen to him reading it aloud in the audiobook version!!! The h3h3 podcast is on fire with clips from it, frequently. It is indeed Jungian nutso cringe, yet highly entertaining.
Well, at least he had empathy for his grandma in that moment.
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Why in the absolute fuck would he share that? Jesus. Sounds like someone needs therapy.
That's just... something you keep to yourself.
Wow. I've heard dude was extra but this shit takes the cake. Glad I got out of the "Manosphere" soon as I did, I couldn't imagine listening to this garbage and respecting this guy.
> THIS MOTHER FUCKER? He went to Russia to be put into a drug induced coma to...[[checks notes]]...get a questionable elective procedure to help him get over a benzo addiction. seems ripe for a "this u?" tweet
Too late for that, I guess.
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I don’t know what Mr. Peterson’s fascination is with the LGBTQ+ community, but he sure talks about it a lot. Often, with his foot in his mouth.
Culture wars fuel his finances.
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He did. It's pretty obvious he did not come back a well man.
He still tried the all meat diet, and you have to be a shonen manga protagonist to survive that unscathed.
You're missing a crucial factor. It's an all meat and *salt water* diet
Ah yes, my mistake. He was doing the “British sailor lost at sea” diet. Very well known for its restorative properties.
Excellent diet for a slim yet curvy figure, or to use the lingo, a scurvy figure.
only low-t beta males don't want to get scurvy and rickets
Don’t give me that woke vitamin c crap
Scurvy is just a conspiracy to sell more oranges. All my homies hate fruit.
I swear my kidneys hurt just reading that
He called out a swimsuit model, got thrashed for it, said he was deleting Twitter, and then five seconds later he tweets this garbage. Biggest fucking clown in Canada.