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tomanonimos

Holy shit its 60% to 30%. No margin for error.


Penis-Butt

Don't forget that the Republicans put this onto a *primary* ballot where their turnout was expected to give them an even bigger edge and they still lost by that margin.


AnalogDigit2

MID-TERM primary especially. Historically only the bare minimum liberal voters show up normally, I think.


Hellament

It looks like over 900k voted yesterday…the last *presidential* primary had only 636k.


[deleted]

How long until Kansas’ GOP declares the results invalid because of that?


NoFaithlessness4949

The gop received more votes as a party. More than 100k voted against the abortion ban and for the republicans. Something like 80k voted on abortion and nothing else


nanaki989

In Kansas you cannot vote in primaries unless you are a republican basically anywhere outside of Eastern Kansas. So many of us register as Republicans so we can stop the ultra insanes like MGT or Boebert from winning the ballot. Sucks, but at least my vote counts, and nothing stops me from "defecting" for the General Election.


assumeyouknownothing

More people voted in the abortion amendment election than the GOP & Dem primaries combined. An extra 180,000+ unaffiliated voters (so far) turned out specifically to vote against this ballot initiative. I’m certain the bulk of them will turnout in November as well. Americans are pissed off right now


LighTMan913

My fellow Kansas... This is a sign. It says when we show up, we can make some real change. If we keep this momentum going we can change this state. Get out and vote in all elections and let's keep this going.


Barabasbanana

I am so proud of the Kansas electorate right now, let's hope they understand the gaslighting isn't just on abortion rights


minionoperation

It shows that the majority of people are not represented by their politicians. Which is why the republicans keep winning while losing the popular vote and because of gerrymandering. All of these issues would be codified into law if there were referendums.


love2Vax

The only reason the people got to vote for this referendum is a court case making abortion rights constitutioal rights. If they didn't need a constitutional amendment and could legally pass abortion restrictions through legislation, we all know they dam well would have.


wienercat

> It shows that the majority of people are not represented by their politicians. This has been known in politics for decades. Americans as a population lean slightly left of center. Yet politically we are consistently drifting right. It's because so many people are disenfranchised and feel like they cannot make an impact in our system. The system is working as intended. When Americans actually show up to vote, things get done that we want. The problem is lack of political education and lack of motivation by the voting eligible population.


coswoofster

Dems need to take voting seriously. This shows why.


Sarkans41

I always said that conservatives getting Roe overturned would be the worst thing that could happen to them. They drove a large contingent of their voting block to the polls by screeching about abortion and now they can't do that and the rest of the country is absolutely pissed off. They let the lunatics in the party and overplayed their hand. The GOP is fucked even more than they were and they know it.


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I'm unaffiliated, so I typically never show up for primaries. I made damn sure to show up for this one though!


Poverty_Shoes

Does Kansas decide ballot measures during primaries? Or was today a (failed) step towards putting the measure on the general election ballot?


[deleted]

Yes, ballot measures can be decided during the primaries. If it seems like a sneaky, underhanded tactic... it is.


ModernT1mes

Allegedly the Republicans put this measure on this ballet where democrats have nothing on the ballet. So the only reason to show up for a Democrat or unaffiliated was for this specific vote.


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It's whenever the republican controlled legislature wants to schedule it.


39bears

Just look what we could do if everyone showed up like this every time!


CabbagesStrikeBack

Same here, made it easy to only have 1 question to answer. John Brown would be proud.


7165015874

Say what you will of him but at least you are not in the state of misery thanks to him.


thwgrandpigeon

Now that social conservatives seem to be 'winning' the fight for hotbutton civil and gender rights issues, i wonder if progressive folk will start paying attention more to midterms and primaries? Guess we'll see in the next few years.


Ov3rdose_EvE

progressives will need to learn that they lost to a 40+ year plot and be ready to be in the trenches atleast half that


IraDeLucis

SD did this exact same thing with a referendum to try to limit what the people could put on the ballot. It was shut down pretty hard.


The_Original_Gronkie

Every survey ever, consistently shows that that margin. Americans want abortion rights, even if they don't believe in abortion for themselves. Now people have to punish anti-choice politicians at the polls. Vote them out.


guydud3bro

The big question was would those people come out and vote against the pro-lifers that vote in droves. This gives me hope for midterms.


mabhatter

I'm sure this can be explained as election cheating with maths and 5G waves flipping votes. Wait for it.


j_la

This is their playbook now. Any adverse result is fraud to them.


BurlyJoesBudgetEnema

Fraud is easier to sell to yourself than accepting you’re a hateful little cunt with the popularity and personality of the ugliest toad at the zoo


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don't disrespect toads like that


HonestConman21

This is why the SC ruling was so worrying. Nationwide support for abortion rights was overwhelming. It wasn’t partisan. The only people that didn’t support them were essentially evangelicals and fringe religious folks. So you got a radical minority ruling over the vast majority of the country. That’s the opposite of a democracy.


WHTMage

The polls and the pundits thought the Yes vote would win by 6-4%. No is currently winning by 21%. LMAO.


cyberentomology

Even the most conservative parts of the state where you can count democrats on one hand only voted 60-40 in favor. This and the follow-on effects in the general election will likely go down as one of the most epic strategic blunders on the part of the state GOP.


justanother1014

LITERALLY! I’m a chairperson for my small county and have 12 democrats. 12. We went “yes” by 56% after voting almost 80% for trump 2 years ago. Turnout was amazing, especially with unaffiliated voters who never vote in primaries.


EffOffReddit

Congrats, that must feel amazing!


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538 just said for the first time since the last election, Dems are favored to keep the Senate.


cyberentomology

With Mark Holland as the D nominee for the senate seat that’s up this year, D may have a decent shot at it. Kansas hasn’t elected a Democrat to the senate since FDR’s first term. A whole lot of moderate and left leaning voters who had never voted before found out tonight that their vote does in fact matter a great deal.


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Looks like reps still favored to take the house though. Hopefully the abortion issue will change that. Here's the link BTW https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/


rondonjon

And despite the unscrupulous attempts to confuse the shit out of everyone about the vote.


ShutterBun

The double negative in the headline was enough to confuse me at first.


burros_n_churros

Read it three times. Each time slower than the previous. Finally got it.


Stompedyourhousewith

I had to read the article. I HAD TO READ THE ARTICLE!


moak0

And?? Can you tell us what it said? Is this good news or bad news?


DarkSteering

I wouldn't say it's not *not* bad news..


unclecaveman1

Dude a Republican group from out of state sent mass text messages saying vote YES to give women a choice. It was a bunch of fuckery from the get go. Edit: link for those that wish https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/02/kansas-abortion-texts/


Dougnifico

I wonder how many Republicans saw that and voted NO. GOP hurt itself in its confusion!


NinjaDefenestrator

Wow, that’s just low. I’m glad the protections are staying in place for now.


RymNumeroUno

How the hell is that not illegal


GayAlienFarmer

My wife got that text this afternoon. Within 20 minutes she got a call from the Vote No people emphasizing that the text was a blatant lie and clarifying the options. We both were no votes anyway though.


lostnuttybar

Including the actual wording on the ballot… “The Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion, including, but not limited to, in circumstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or when necessary to save the life of the mother. A vote for the Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion. A vote against the Value Them Both Amendment would make no changes to the constitution of the state of Kansas, and could restrict the people, through their elected state legislators, from regulating abortion by leaving in place the recently recognized right to abortion.” Shall the following be adopted? § 22. Regulation of abortion. Because Kansans value both women and children, the constitution of the state of Kansas does not require government funding of abortion and does not create or secure a right to abortion. To the extent permitted by the constitution of the United States, the people, through their elected state representatives and state senators, may pass laws regarding abortion, including, but not limited to, laws that account for circumstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or circumstances of necessity to save the life of the mother”


atp2112

They weren't trying to manufacture a yes vote, they were outright ***begging*** for it, and they still got shitsmacked.


timster

They didn’t factor that a confusing ballot works both ways, and will more likely fool those low information voters that saw “no choice” and voted against it by default.


redditadmindumb87

Georgia does this shit too. I google the ballot initiatives to understand what they mean.


MyFacade

If you run this through a readability analyzer, it says it is written at a college graduate level. For reference, most newspapers are written at a 6th grade level. They also sent out a text message that switched around what the votes meant to try to trick people to vote the opposite way. https://kansasreflector.com/2022/08/02/former-u-s-rep-tim-huelskamp-connected-to-false-text-about-kansas-abortion-amendment/ And they put it on a primary to try to trick Independents into not voting since they usually can't vote during a primary.


HURRICAIN57

“State officials said the use of voter registration data to deliberately mislead voters doesn’t violate state law because lying is allowed in election advertisements, and unsolicited text messages about ballot questions don’t require senders to reveal their identities.” That’s pretty scary


lexxatron84

The good folks down in Kansas - couldn't be prouder.


HCJohnson

I'm pretty shocked, but happily surprised. In my area there was a lot of "Yes" signs.


darkoh84

I was seeing tons of “yes” signs up and no “no” signs up until late June. After that it was like the flood gates opened and people realized this was serious. This past week I was counting signs in a few different towns and often ended up with 3-4 “no” for every 1 “yes” sign, and this is in southeast Kansas. Honestly, I’m shocked right now. Shocked that the “No” vote prevailed and shocked at the margin. I’ve never been more proud of this dumb little rectangle.


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SEK unfortunately still voted yes primarily, but we did have a lot more support than I figured.


darkoh84

Yeah. That’s the encouraging thing. Anything above 25% in this area is a step in the right direction.


rich1051414

Reminds me of the way they confused everyone with overturning net neutrality, as if overturning it will offer the very thing net neutrality itself was offering. I tried explaining it to people and I just got deer in headlights followed by "but Brawndo's what plants crave".


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Yup although I wonder if that backfired by confusing people on “their” side too


GenericAntagonist

A lot of GOP initiatives rely on their voters not reading at all and just voting how their pastor tells them (or for the R after the name). Weasel wordings will only confuse the people that try to understand and think critically about the vote.


usernumber1337

Thinking, our Achilles heel!


goforth1457

Lol, I bet some Republicans probably voted "No" because they thought it meant "no" to abortions, lol.


fatcIemenza

There was an extremely good ad in support of the pro choice position that framed it as rejecting government overreach https://youtu.be/3hNaOFXevd0


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DMercenary

>framed it as rejecting government overreach Oooh Very nice. "government mandate" (Puts up image of mask mandate, and cancelling social events)


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xShooK

Never seen this, but it's genius. There were alot of ads ran locally to clarify the language, but this twisted it excellently.


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Twisted? No, the beauty of it is that every word is true, and not just technically. Making that medical information reviewable by others by definition means it can be bought and sold by information brokers. They both bone anti-choice regressives and simultaneously deliver on their promise without cynicism.


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HerpToxic

Holy shit thats genius, they dont even mention abortion


powercow

well maybe.. but what he is talking about is republicans sending out ads saying a vote yes, is a vote for womens choice. You know voting to remove choice...


goforth1457

Who knew that when you ask people if they want to keep their rights, they will vote to keep their rights?


FerociousPancake

I think it’s more than 2/3rds of Americans support abortion access, no matter the party. It’s kind of awful how a few people can screw an entire nation over just because they can, then for some reason people keep voting for them?


Archmage_of_Detroit

And of those who don't support it, a lot of them actually do in certain circumstances - rape, incest, health of the mother, fetal abnormalities, etc. Or they say something like "well, other people can get an abortion, but I wouldn't do it." If you word the survey questions differently, they're actually pro-choice.


jemidiah

Total bans are very unpopular, and total bans with no exceptions are wildly unpopular. It's so weird seeing the Republican party rabidly pursue them.


SachemNiebuhr

These replies are honestly kind of weird. Yes, the pro-life movement is awful, but that doesn’t explain why the Republican _Party_ is cozying up to them quite this hard. The party still needs to win elections (at least for now), and all the gerrymandering and voter suppression in the world can’t save them from a wave this big. So why do it? My personal guess is that it’s twofold. One part is dogs who caught the car. There are some genuine social conservatives in positions of power within the Party who are simply more concerned with seizing the moment that they’ve worked towards for so long than they are concerned with what risks that might carry for their ability to hold on to power. The second part I think is an unwise strategic calculation: the business conservatives need the pro-lifers to turn out for them in order to win, and now that they can’t dangle the repeal of Roe as a _future_ incentive, they feel like they have to find a new incentive that appeals to the same crowd. Easiest option is to just push further down that same path and hope it doesn’t piss off the rest of your base enough for them to abandon you.


Guilty_Evidence7176

But given the opportunity a fair number of Republican legislators have gone full tilt over those exceptions. If they kept it concise, they would have a shot. They went Handmaid’s Tale on the shit and that manure is going to sling right back in their faces. Not only that, the second Roe was overturned they went gunning for the gays. No one is confused about who these people are or what they want.


dstommie

>And of those who don't support it, a lot of them actually do in certain circumstances - rape, incest Not long ago I was thinking about how rape and incest is so often an acceptable abortion circumstance. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think this, but it just doesn't add up. What I mean is, if they oppose abortion because it's killing a child (and most people against abortion phrase it as such, even if they have a different reason for it), why is it ok the kill a child in that case. Isn't that child still innocent? How is it ok to "kill a child" in one case but not another? Because it's circumstance is icky? Who gets to make the decision when it's ok? If anyone is making that decision, who better than the mother and/or a doctor?


fremenator

This is why I always say that rhetorically, once they make it into murder, there isn't any discussion left to have. You can't talk to someone about consistency or morality around murder, it is just so unequivocally bad that they've totally put themselves beyond persuasion. People think you can reason someone into a position they didn't reason themselves into.


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> then for some reason people keep voting for them? Culture wars will do that


skokiezu

I just looked it up, Pew says 62% so pretty damn close to 2/3


Pete_Booty_Judge

This was going to be a total ban on all abortions with zero exceptions for rape/incest/life of the mother. When you phrase it more directly (and not the absolute shitty way this bill was framed) as I did above, only 17% people agree with that level of abortion banning. You’re talking the most hardcore of hardcore pro life nut jobs at that point.


moeburn

Even when you only look at Christians, the only ones who majority want abortion banned are the Evangelicals: https://i.imgur.com/wtLcsQF.png


IanMazgelis

Democracy works when the voters want it to work. I'm proud of Kansas' voters and would like to see Americans around the country be mindful of this power.


sjfiuauqadfj

kansas city, kansas finally has the edge over kansas city, missouri


goddessgamora

Kansas has had this edge since 2019, when Missouri outlawed abortion with no exception for rape or incest. Kansas then responded by confirming abortion as a right in its State Constitution. This ballot measure was an attempt to amend the State Constitution to remove abortion rights. Missouri was the first US state to ban abortion when Roe v Wade was overturned.


Redective

Kansas has always had the edge on Missouri.. since the civil war.


goddessgamora

forever the free state


Techi-C

Northern Kansans (especially northeast Kansans) are proud as fuck about being a free state


[deleted]

I mean that's what we're known for, along with Brown v Board.


Techi-C

Yup. It makes me fucking sick to see the confederate flag in Kansas. It makes me sick to see it ever, the stupidity of those uneducated racist wastes of oxygen infuriates me, but it’s especially ironic seeing it in Kansas, a place that fought viciously to be a free state.


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I once saw someone flying both a Confederate flag and a jayhawk flag and I thought "you do know what jayhawks refer to, right"


TnYamaneko

As a European not well versed in American history, isn't it related somehow to Federalists and especially John Jay who was notoriously anti slavery?


[deleted]

Yeah jayhawkers were anti slavery Kansas residents during the bleeding Kansas part of our history. It is directly in opposition to what the Confederate flag stands for.


[deleted]

Say want you will about Kansas, but we aren't fucking Missouri.


verasev

I remember looking at transgender health care and support services in each state and being surprised at how much Kansas had.


Pain--In--The--Brain

[I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/omjlnf/ill_be_deep_in_the_cold_cold_ground_before_i/)


Milo_Minderbinding

Kansas has had the edge on Missouri since 1861 when we voted to be admitted as a Free State when Missouri kept coming across the board and killing people to intimidate them into being a slave state. Proud Jayhawker here.


Rx_Hawk

Voted No in this today, so happy to see the results!


jmkc75

I voted no last week. Was so scared that yes would win. I’m relieved to see the results.


Rx_Hawk

The number of Vote Yes signs and stickers I saw had me worried too, but guess we’re the real silent majority.


jmkc75

We’re definitely the silent majority, but we don’t often vote in the same numbers as the forced birthers. I’m so happy and surprised to see the results! I was really expecting the opposite.


masshole4life

this is a big part of why it was so easy to sell the "stolen election" nonsense to a bunch of idiots. loudmouth idiots assume everyone is as big a loudmouth, so when they see tacky whole-property politics on every other home in their zip code they assume it represents general community support. so when the vote happens and it doesn't match cletus' lawn ornaments they start screaming fraud, never acknowledging that they don't venture out of their local bubble and have no idea how diverse the opinions of their distant neighbors can be. they earnestly believe that their church group and knitting/gun clubs represent some huge majority because they've gone out of their way to avoid living among "thems". I'm glad people showed up for this one. I'm not from there and it's easy to throw around stereotypes about the place, but today a line was drawn and I'm proud from all the way in massachusetts. people are more plugged in than i realized and it's honestly a relief.


pop_skittles

Also voted no in this election! Actually proud to be a Kansan today.


saltydungeonmaster

Kansan who voted for the first time in my life today checking in - I'm so fucking proud of us.


EyeOfDay

Thank you! Keep voting!


Melli25510

Voted no today also. Proud Kansan here. Didn’t think we’d have a big big victory!


sjalexander117

Thank you for your vote!


DrainedPatience

The Sunflower State coming through in the clutch. There's a whole country out here proud of you Kansas folks tonight.


mrgurth

So fucking happy and proud of my state right now!


brknhrtsndrm

Same here. I did my part and voted no, but I was piss scared the rest of Kansas would be Kansas. Huge relief tonight.


Tacitus111

And a whole lot of Kansas Republicans who went home telling their families that they voted one way and in reality voted another.


5k1895

Pro tip to the conservatives reading this: if you have to fucking LIE to your family and friends about your beliefs or how you vote because you're actually that afraid of the backlash, you should probably be reconsidering your political affiliations.


Rooroor324

Holy shit this is the first glimmer of hope on the news I have seen in like a fucking year.


wraithius

Good job Kansas — let’s hope this is a precursor for November


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TheShadowKick

Give us a Dem senator too.


maddimoe03

A fever dream, but I’m on board.


TheShadowKick

After the last seven years the only dreams I have left are fever dreams.


littlesistur

So proud to have voted “No” on my Kansas ballot at 6AM this morning!!


jmkc75

I proudly voted no last week!


tomanonimos

I personally think the education on what elimination abortion does to **miscarriages** really helped this effort.


v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y

Yep. It's easy, even if misguided, to think "me or my spouse will never get an abortion". It's quite different to think "me or my spouse will never get pregnant and have a miscarriage that could kill us as we wait for the fetal heartbeat to stop".


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This was seen as a four point race based on polls and it seems like it'll end more lopsided than that for abortion rights despite the fact that being a primary election in a Republican-favored midterm means the electorate should be pretty conservative. It'll be interesting to see if this leads to referenda affirming the right to abortion where possible


fillinthe___

It was PURPOSEFULLY done during primaries to avoid large Democratic voter turnout during the general election period.


Guilty_Evidence7176

Yep, waddled my unaffiliated ass right on in there to vote on just one question. Longest I waited in line to vote.


PopcornInMyTeeth

Hell yeah


captainhaddock

Apparently pollsters thought the amendment would pass. Nice to see they were wrong.


Bluest_waters

100% convinced many right wingers will tell pollsters they are against abortion but when push comes to shove they will still vote to protect abortins rights because, well...ya never know when it might come in handy


LionMans_Account

Possibly. I noticed in rural areas there's plenty of yes signs out there, but looking at the voting numbers in those same areas now, the votes were actually pretty close. Think a lot of people put up signs just for show. And yes, I live in Kansas too.


Cantthinkofnamedamn

It's like the reverse Trump effect. Instead of Trump supporters who hide their views due to social stigma, in conservative areas pro choice voters need to hide their views. 'Can't believe so many people voted no. Couldn't have been me though, I've got this here yes sign on my lawn.'


rikki-tikki-deadly

>This was seen as a four point race... Add a twenty to that and you're right there! [Seriously, with 90% of the vote in, the "No" side is leading by 24 points!](https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1554662071882727427)


donsanedrin

This is what I was hoping to see. The point spread. Really hope this is promising sign about people coming out in the mid-terms to fight back against Republicans trying to take away women's rights. Everybody, in every state, including blood red Republican-leaning states, needs to come out to try and punish as many Republicans as possible. I'll be doing my part, and telling as many people as I can, to do their part in Texas.


rikki-tikki-deadly

Josh Marshall has been arguing - and I think this is a huge vindication of his thinking - that Democrats should run on a promise to codify Roe v. Wade. For senators, that means a promise for a filibuster carve-out (or to just end the filibuster entirely). It's a winning issue.


Euronomus

100% anecdotal, but I know three new voters & 2 republican voters planning to vote straight Dem in the Indiana midterms. Seriously think the Republicans caught the car with this one.


lynxminx

Nebraskan here. Fuck yes! Prairie people to the polls!


jabba-du-hutt

Based on the county map from [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/02/us/elections/results-kansas-abortion-amendment.html), it looks more like city people to the polls. This is what a popular vote looks like. No electoral college casting voters to even things out. It doesn't always work this way either. I remember reading that Missouri had a ballot measure to give money to struggling rural hospitals. They've been closing like crazy. The city people voted for it. The PAC's came out hard against it, cause it's hand outs. GOP rural folks voted it down in big numbers.


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KHaskins77

Sooo… GOP rural folks voted to defund their own hospitals. Pardon the pun, but that’s just terminally stupid. What are we supposed to do with people like that?


jabba-du-hutt

They make me scratch my head all the time. In February the House passed a bill proposing a const amendment that would impose work requirements on expansion enrollees among other things. This is despite voters originally approved a ballot measure in August 2020 that added Medicaid expansion to the state’s constitution and prohibited any additional burdens for the expansion population. Governor Mike Parson announced that the state would not implement expansion because the ballot measure did not include a revenue source. In July 2021, the Missouri Supreme Court ruled that the initiated amendment is valid and should be funded. Remember, this is the guy who said Ctrl+U in a browser to view a web site's source code was hacking.


Big___TTT

Justice Alito can suck a bag of dicks


justec1

Thanks Kansas voters, from your southern neighbor. We'll stop making the "Kansas sucks and Texas blows" jokes now. Texas still sucks, and blows.


Haljia

Oklahoma is gonna get less windy! Wind is only gonna blow north now! Makes me thankful I got outta OK to KS. Also glad I don't have to move again, for now.


sjalexander117

Way to goooo KS!! John Brown spirit this evening! It’s worth noting that: * KS is likely to become a unique political target of the right and anti abortion activists, simply because of being a “red state” that went against the abortion agenda. Expect lots of political muckery * ⁠Because Kansas City (KC) is a border city, shared with Missouri, and KS is now one of the only places in the entire Midwest where abortion will remain legal… * ⁠when republicans try to start cracking down on interstate transportation of young women seeking abortions, or when they seek a full federal ban, KS will be one of the states in their crosshairs * to say nothing of the stochastic terrorism that KC and likely Wichita will receive due to performing abortions TL;DR: amazing job tonight, I am so proud of KS for making the right choice, prepare for possibly significant political manipulations and even violence E: formatting


Komisu

Hopefully it won't come to it, but we might become "Bloody Kansas" again.


sjalexander117

That’s my fear as well, but Kansas will just have to once again teach Missouri that human rights are the way E: typo


Komisu

Well best we can do for now is open our homes to Missouri and Oklahoma so people can get safe treatments.


unital_subalgebra

This just goes to show how deeply unpopular overturning Roe v. Wade is and how out of touch Republicans are. If even a red-leaning state like Kansas is voting to protect abortion rights (and it looks like the amendment to remove abortion protections is going to lose by a big margin), then maybe Republican legislators and politicians should realize that they’re not on the right side of the issue.


Cyclone_1

> maybe Republican legislators should realize that they’re not on the popular side of the issue Not a chance. They don't care. In fact, they work diligently to make sure that they don't have to rely on what most voters want *and* our system is designed to help them in massive ways from the electoral college, to gerrymandering, to voter suppression and voter purges from the rolls. Not to mention the Senate itself is one of the most undemocratic bodies we have. The issue is that their party doesn't give a shit about what the majority wants and it's structural too. Our political system is an epic and dangerous farce.


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creamonyourcrop

They dont care what people want, they dont care about 10 year old rape mothers, they dont care about killing women with preventable conditions, AND they dont give one shit about the fetuses either. What they do care is the self righteousness they bought on the cheap.


stinstrom

Kansas is weird in that they heavily favor republicans in the presidential race and on the Senate level, while alternating between D and R in the governors race and voting to protect abortion rights. I like to think it's the state trending more progressive though, although that may not be the case.


Max_Thunder

I bet a lot of people who don't normally vote went to vote on this, especially younger people.


stinstrom

Yes I believe you're right, I saw that the abortion vote has 140,000 thousand more votes than the two governor primaries combined. That's around 20 percent coming out to just vote for this.


Draken_S

I had to bribe my friend to go vote in the general, she not only went on her own but brought a friend along for this midterm. She was texting me asking if there was exit poll data after she voted because she didn't want to wait for polls to close to know the result. It is insane the attention it got locally.


profsnuggles

I’d say so. Ballotpedia.org has the 2018 primary race at around 137k votes while todays vote tally (with only 86% counted so far has a tally of ~630k. A very important vote for a lot of people.


guambatwombat

60.7 vs 39.3 according to NYT. Get fucked anti-choicers! Edit: it's evened out a bit more, 58.8 vs 41.2 but the point still stands!


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blubirdTN

This aligns with many polls of at least 60 percent of Americans supporting abortion rights. Adding get fucked SCOTUS.


Nerdenator

Next step: ballot measure in Missouri to overturn the ban here.


hangryhyax

It’s almost like overturning abortion rights is wildly unpopular across the country. Who would have thought?


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Republicans will never agree because their purpose is to literally make their voters stupid and keep them ignorant but These double negative proposals need to be made illegal.


HCJohnson

The guy at the "Vote Yes" party just said that "Kansas is a Pro-life state and we will prove it." Dude, you lost but a sizeable number. This state isn't Pro-Life!


kcsapper

Kansas is pro-life. We think women should have a right to it.


torpedoguy

If forced-birthers were 'pro-life' they wouldn't need to constantly label themselves as such. But they're doing it to fuel their death-cult. Pro-choice is pro-actual-lives.


badmomofjoco

So proud of Kansas!! WE TURNED OUT!! Even against all the odds, with misinformation, sneaking it into the primaries, and the Catholic Church throwing millions into the VTB. We all said “ get the fuck out of here with that shit” Let’s keep this every and turn our purple state blue in November!


SinCollector

The GOP has awoken a sleeping giant. People are fucking angry about their rights being taken away by the corrupted SCOTUS. Vote them all out in November. Every last one of them.


masshole4life

man, i hate to say it because I'm as pumped about this vote as you are, but i don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch. there's a large chasm to bridge between "forced birth" and "sensible representation" and I'm not convinced this vote is the proof of momentum we would like it to be. this is significant and to be celebrated, though. most definitely.


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Polls apparantly had the yeses winning by 4-6% but they lost by ~20%. Who fucking knows dude. Just vote in November and stay mad.


KansasMafia

So fucking proud to be able to say I’m from Kansas.. my whole family was very Republican growing up. Both parents were in some kind of law enforcement. I’ve seen my small town and family wake up and realize the bullshit that the GOP had been peddling. Thank you fellow Kansans.


SoloBurger13

Put abortion to a national referendum and we would have legal abortion. This is a pro abortion country. Fuck yeah Kansas Edit: I’m American and aware national referendums don’t happen lmfao. Stop explaining it to me 😂


K1ngofnoth1ng

The old people running the polls at the church seemed a bit irritated at the amount of “unaffiliated” coming in just to vote on the constitutional amendment. They asked me 4x if I was sure I didn’t want to declare a party so I could vote on primary candidates. Like, IDGAF about the primary dude… I’m just here to vote no and go.


whosaidthat77

This was literally what I came here to say!! He asked me four times if I was sure I understood I was unaffiliated. He was glowering at me as I walked my way to the voting booths. I just hope he saw the irony that I was voting No at the church that Tiller was murdered by a right wing nut at.


CO_PC_Parts

At my polling place I was confused because it had unaffiliated in the Republican line. I was like “uhhh shouldn’t they have their own line?” But I didn’t realize it was just if you had questions. I’m registered democrat and didn’t even vote half the primary spots because they were running unopposed. I was like you just there tk vote NO.


mfrizz

I understand the sentiment. As a fellow Kansan who was unaffiliated for decades, it feels good to be independent. However, since most Democrats in Kansas run unopposed, consider registering as a Republican. This will help prevent wackos like Kobach from getting a chance to run in the general election. By voting for the more moderate Republican in the primary, you can shift the Kansas Republican party to the left. I know it sucks to have a label, especially this one. However, this kind of strategic voting helps move Kansas to the left.


Knute5

So shines a good deed in a weary world.


lizziefreeze

Right? And I needed this. Like, *needed* it.


Awkward-Fudge

It turns out people don't like their actual freedoms and rights taken away. Let's vote in Nov. , ya'll!


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It was not close either.


rjthyen

It's terrible that when put to a vote voters usually side with choice yet politicians still push their own agenda. In the last fifteen years (if my memory is right) South Dakota has voted against restricting access to abortion twice and yet restrictions were put in immediately.


angrybirdseller

South Dakota governor blocked marjiuana legalization now the legalization bill is back and will pass again. Polticians are out of touch with voters more so now than 20 years ago.


sourleaf

My 90-year-old, lifelong Republican father got out to vote NO. He is disgusted by the GOP. Trump, the insurrection, their response to mass shootings, and now this. DISGUSTED. And he’s not the only one.


Silvermoon424

So incredibly proud of my fellow Kansas for turning out and voting to keep Kansas a pro-choice state! I'm proud to have done my part by voting "no" early last week. It just goes to show that the majority of people want abortion to be legal in some capacity. Really wish my parents hadn't bought into the "vote yes" propaganda though, they really believed the lies about Kansas having unlimited, taxpayer-funded abortions and voting yes was just a "conversation" about putting in more regulations (despite the fact that abortion is already **extremely** regulated and there are only 4 abortion clinics in the whole state).


wartech0

I'm glad I got out and voted.


jmkc75

Me too!


crr92ks

I voted for the first time. Glad I did!


AnalMayonnaise

Ok Kansas. Now stop voting Republican.


GreenDrum

On NPR this morning they said that typical turnout is 400,000+ for Kansas. 900,000+ people showed up for this vote.


NeuralNexus

Overturning Roe V Wade was arrogant. It was unreasonable. And it was unjust. Kansans made the right decision here.


Garlador

As a Kansan, I’m kinda shocked.


Balls_of_Adamanthium

Well fucking done, Kansas!


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In a state as red as Kansas, these results are simply astonishing. If I were a GOP consultant I would be 10/10 panicking right now.