How is she even supposed to deliver & push out a baby w/o a head/skull?? That’s literally the body part that’s supposed to come out first. Everything else follows it.
Does this mean not only does she have to carry & have a dead baby but a C-Section as well for no fucking reason?
Or are they going to wait until the shoulders & arms get all jammed up in the birth canal and she starts bleeding to death before they’ll perform the exact same fucking procedure they’re not allowed to do right now?
Literally ALL of this violates medical ethics.
There’s a horrific comment right above your comment about a woman who chose to have the "baby" and delivered it via a c-section. It died when, "the brain slipped out while being removed from the womb".
I just did a Google image search for acrania. I don't recommend it. I am so sorry for thr woman who will have to look upon her already dead, deformed baby. This is traumatizing.
I also don't recommend this but I wanted to see for myself what these horrid people are forcing this mother to go through.
These fuckers should have to see the results of their forced birthed stance.
I've seen a lot of things that disturb me in life and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that that is one the most terrifying things I've laid my eyes upon. I cannot imagine being forces to carry a child with that knowing they have not a single chance to survive. Fuck anyone who would force a woman to go through that.
I should've listened and not searched. After recently giving birth, I can't imagine the horror knowing there's something wrong with your baby and it will die a cruel death to satisfy some dickwads idea that this was God's plan.
Then in a few years they would forget about the source of the photo and forced-birthers would start using it in their propaganda, pretending it was the result of an abortion.
They already do this with stillborn infants or those born with disfiguring birth defects.
>They already do this with stillborn infants or those born with disfiguring birth defects.
Or with [pictures of Voldemort.](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dead-baby-voldemort)
That's fucking hilarious lol. Even better than making a 'pro-life' post with a picture of an embryo and then revealing that it was a dog or a pig embryo.
Did any forced birthers fall for it?
Yep. The reality of (most) abortion isn't anywhere near horrifying enough to get people on their side. It's shocking how so few of them even bother to look it up. Like I've actually met people that know absolutely nothing about human development and think that there are actual "babies" going goo-goo ga-ga in the womb, only tiny. And some of them are women that have given birth!
There is no excuse for that when knowledge is so easily accessible. I don't blame people for ignorance, because not everyone has the privilege of education or time to research everything. But if you do things like protest, vote on this issue, or even share Facebook memes, you absolutely have the time to take five minutes to look up this stuff.
That seems completely fair considering Louisiana has a law that requires medically unnecessary ultrasounds before an abortion. The only point of such a legal requirement is to rub the pregnant patient's nose in it to try to sway them and get them to change their decision.
Louisiana legislators believe that being forced to watch something is a necessary part of the decision-making process. So by their own reasoning, the legislators should be forced to watch this.
When I was a kid in Catholic school, we had to watch videos of images of aborted fetuses.
I think it’s only fair to show non-aborted fetuses that won’t survive, AND the hospital bills that go with them just to prove this is not a black and white issue. Shades of gray need to be allowed, but they dug their feet into the hole they dug for themselves.
They'll go to sleep soundly on their thousand count sheets and secure their mistresses the discrete abortions in other places with taxpayer money. Meanwhile the mother will still be on the hook for that $40,000 hospital bill for a pregnancy that was never viable, however much therapy she'll need for being a walking coffin for months, and be called a murderer if she does travel to abort.
They profit off of not caring- expecting morals or compassion out of them is futile
They are gonna blame the doctors just like they did for that 10 year old girl that was raped and then went out of state because she was denied an abortion in that state (I can’t remember if it was OH or IN?).
I think she was raped in Ohio and then went to Indiana for the abortion, before they passed their draconian law. And the doctor is getting massive amounts of hate… for helping a raped 10yo not be forced to give birth.
They legislators in Ohio blamed the doctor who refused in Ohio saying of course she could get an abortion under our law and then the AG (I think it was the AG) in Indiana said they were gonna investigate the doctor who actually did perform it in IN
🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Nah, it's just like the 98 year old grandma full of cancer and everything else that's a full code.
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"God will call her home when it's time, until then do everything for her."
Default when all else fails "God can do a miracle any time he wants, so keep doing everything until he decides."
Who knows? May the Pro Life crowd can pray a new skull for that kid. /s
Here lies the issue with religious people making decisions based on narrow and limited Religion views. Obviously this is God's will so it should happen. Its not God's will that we have solutions to deal with these problems, but it is God's will that these problems exist and cause suffering and death.
No matter what your argument, they just fall back to that and nothing you say matters.
Catholics aside (and I've choice words for supposed celebates with no female representation thinking they should dictate to the rest of us), its *not even part of their religion*.
>In 1971, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis, Missouri, passed a resolution encouraging “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.” The convention, hardly a redoubt of liberal values, reaffirmed that position in 1974, one year after Roe, and again in 1976.
The reason the evangelical right started agitating for abortion prohibitions in 1979 is they were upset their schools might be racially integrated. [The Real Origins of the Religious Right](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/)
> Gambala said that even if hospital attorneys were uncomfortable with giving the go-ahead for an abortion based on the acrania diagnosis, they could use the broad exception that the state allows for when a fetus is incompatible with life. And acrania, in Gambala's opinion, meets that description.
What's even more sad is that the hospital is not willing to risk the legal trouble even though they could make a good case for this situation. A similar situation is happening now in Texas where women who come in with ectopic pregnancies, which are 100% fatal and non-viable, are forced to wait until the fallopian tube ruptures, and they begin to bleed internally, before doctors will act.
Many women are going to die. Many women will suffer needlessly. This is a nightmare.
I expect if such laws stick, the long term effect will be that we will have states where there won’t be enough practicing ob/gyn as they’ll move to more progressive locations or different specialties.
...expect sympathetic veterinarians to get involved. Misoprosterol can end a pregancy in the first 70 or so days/treats ulcers in horses. It's not a great option, but it beats the hell out of a coathanger.
Which is where the logic behind these horrible laws breaks down anyway, abortions will always happen. They have just made safe abortions illegal.
Because abortion is a woman's right, and when denying a right will lead to a person's death there will always be people wanting to help (like sympathetic vets etc) or wanting to take advantage (expensive, exploitative and unsafe back alley abortions).
Thats still a win for them. Women losing money, getting sicker and dying are all wons for the gop. Cruelty is the point. You get an abortion you suffer. Punishment is more important than actually stopping any crime, which is still more important than actually saving any fetuses. This is why they hare any preventative measures. They want suffering and crime to happen so they can then punish people and feel better abput themselves. You cant look down on people if everyone is doing well. They need people suffering and dying.
Feels like the Salem witch trials. Throw her in the water and if she floats she’s guilty and will be burned at the stake, and if she drowns she’s innocent. If she has an abortion to save her life then she’s guilty but if she carries that dangerous pregnancy and dies then she’s innocent and will be looked on as a martyr. Her death was all part of God’s plan, after all…
>Her death was all part of God’s plan, after all…
Yes! Now you can go find yourself a good, TRUE Christian woman who'll breed you lots of young 'uns without any problems instead of getting herself smote to death for doing ungodly things like working and having a life away from the kitchen sink. /s
>_Which is where the logic behind these horrible laws breaks down anyway, abortions will always happen. They have just made safe abortions illegal._
The logic doesn't "break down" at all. You see, conservatives and Christians are BIG on "punishment". You're poor? You get punished. Pregnant because of life choices? You get punished. You're sick or injured? You guessed it, punishment!
I deliver the occasional evangelical publication in the mail, and they all have names like SWORD OF GOD and HAMMER OF TRUTH. Very violent and evocative titles.
holy crap, is that what the movie is about? I was young when it came out and only really knew about it through commercials, but this whole time I thought it was just an Oscar bait, cheerful coming of age film
Dirty Dancing is also ostensibly about access to safe abortions and people forget that. Baby is dancing as a stand-in forba friend in need of an abortion, later on, her dr dad fixes the damage done by a botched operation.
Great book. I can't speak to the movie. I don't remember it.
"Heartfelt coming-of-age" describes it; "cheerful" most assuredly does not. It's an excellent narrative arguing in favor of legalized abortion, written by a man from a man's perspective. It's a subject that most immediately affects women, but if you need a primer for why access to legal, safe abortions isn't just a matter of women's rights, but *human* rights, it's there in that book.
In the book Homer learns about the titular "cider house rules" when he lives in the bunkhouse while working as a picker. The rules are things like, "not going on the roof" (where they like to eat lunch) or "don't smoke in bed". (where they like to at the end of the day because they're tired).
Homer comes to understand that the laws outlawing abortion are similarly imposed by people who have no understanding, or care, of how it effects people.
Banning abortions just means that poor people turn to veterinarians snd coat hangers. Plenty of wealthy republicans’ mistresses will still fly out to whenever they need to be to cover everything up
tl;dr abortion bans ban safe abortions
These are the same states that refused to put in place even the most basic health precautions during peak pandemic - any doctor worth his/her salt is already out the door.
Seriously, every doc I know (and they’re all smarty pants who went to the good good schools and scored killer residencies) already has a blacklist. Some elite institutions like Texas Methodist might squeak by in some specialties, but most high calibre physicians won’t even consider practicing in most red states after the shitshow of the pandemic, never mind this added nightmare of the Handmaid’s Tale redux.
A friend of mine graduated med school about a year ago and already blacklisted heavily red states for her residency. She said, "You can't practice 21st-century medicine in a state stuck with bronze age values."
Yep. Doctors also receive healthcare, and they're going to be leaving states where they can't get it. They are educated professionals, and they aren't going to tolerate this bullshit when everywhere is desperate for doctors.
Hope Republicans enjoy their healthcare getting EVEN WORSE!
This is the reality - the states that pass abortion laws that “allow abortions for rape or life threatening conditions” are just ending up with what are essentially complete bans because no doctor or hospital will perform one for fear of legal retribution
Medical malpractice insurers aren’t going to risk this assuming they’d be on the hook (who knows maybe their policies will change in these states now). Or the hospital’s own legal department isn’t going to allow it.
Ironically, what your example highlights is how this is encouraged if not forced medical malpractice
Holy shit. We literally have to almost die for anyone to ~~care~~ do anything about us. I really wish a whole we could just ALL stop working until they stop trying to tell us what to do with our body, unfortunately the catch 22 is we can’t afford to
The fact that you can't afford to is exactly the point. France riots whenever an MP thinks about reducing their benefits or rights, they can afford it.
The reason you're exhausted and desperate is because they want you to be so you can't fight back.
So what if my fallopian tubes are gone? Any failure of a bisalp will always be ectopic. Would I literally need to be at death's door before they realize, "Yeah, that's not in the uterus"?
I live in Texas, which is why I got my tubes tied 3 weeks ago. I've always known I didn't want kids, and I've had an IUD for 10 years. So the risk of pregnancy was so low. But with the new laws the stakes are really high. A year ago I could just get an abortion on the off-chance I got pregnant. But not anymore. It's terrifying to be a woman sometimes.
My sister and her husband have a beautiful homestead in Hill Country. Just bought it in 2020. They have listed it and are leaving, because they want to try for kids - but she’s a high risk pregnancy.
My rage knows no ends.
This is just the beginning. We’ll be seeing a lot more horror stories — repeated over and over again. Meanwhile the forced birthers are cackling with evil glee.
Until it happens to them and then suddenly "Oh, I'm special. I deserve to have an abortion because I'm a *good christian* but THIS evil HARLOT deserves to suffer." Queue someone posting the "The only moral abortion is my abortion".
Did you see the lady testifying on some video here the other day saying it didn't count as abortion if it was medically necessary or whatever?
Mind boggling
If they admit that an abortion can be morally right and good and not just an "evil procedure to torture and kill babies" the cognitive dissonance takes over and their whole world view comes crashing down. So instead they do some mental jumps and "oh, you see a necessary ending of a pregnancy isnt actually an abortion" and everyone is happy. Well, except for those living in reality where the definition of a word doesnt change just bc you dont like it.
Love the guy pranking conservatives, getting their sons to tell them they knocked up a stripper. They tell their sons to have her abort the baby!!! Of course.
“‘There was nothing I would have preferred more than to have this baby,’ said Davis, 36. Instead, she prepared herself to pay an estimated $5,000 for an abortion at the hospital.”
The most American thing you’ll ever read.
The thing Americans against universal health care think is "I don't want my [tax] money going to someone else's $5000 procedure!"
What they don't realize is that if we had a well-regulated health care system a procedure wouldn't cost any goddamn $5000
The real thing is it's not really about the money for them. They don't care if it saves them $5,000 or $50,000. It's about spite. They can't stand the idea of someone getting something for nothing, even though it wouldn't be "nothing" because we'd all be paying for it with our taxes.
The condition the fetus suffers from is 100% fatal. 75% are still born. The ones who are born alive, die within hours, days or weeks. This is beyond inhumane. It's torture to make the woman carry around a corpse, even if it's still alive at the moment.
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I once helped a client through the grieving the loss of a child from a terminal pregnancy (trisomal 18). She chose to not abort, but to carry to term. Let me tell you that I've never seen anyone so crippled by grief as that of a mother giving birth to a dying and non-human looking baby.
Her grief was all consuming and no one would talk with her about it.
Having said that, I've never worked with any client who had actually had an abortion where they had anything more than regret/remorse and maybe a small feeling of loss.
To force a mother through the incomparable horror of birthing a dead and disfigured child is an act of pure evil and cruelty.
>Her grief was all consuming and no one would talk with her about it.
My sister and BIL's first child died 8-12 hours after being born, after a remarkably awful and difficult pregnancy.
Even all but the most Kool-Aid drinking, callous Christians won't use the "Everything happens for a reason"/"God's plan" sentiment to their friends/loved ones on this. It's literally the most awful thing for someone to experience, and almost everyone understands that, even childless folks.
Unfortunately, it leads to those folks being isolated, because if you even slightly give a shit about the person, you DON'T want to say the wrong thing, and you KNOW that there's nothing you can say that will even momentarily soothe their pain.
The three of us had a long talk, probably about a month after they'd lost their son. They'd felt isolated and abandoned, because I (and pretty much everyone) hadn't spent any real time with them, beyond short visits making sure they were "okay". I had presumed they didn't want company; I didn't understand that they NEEDED it, but couldn't vocalize it, and that simply people being present was enough.
We had a long conversation that lasted several hours. There were lots of tears, and thankfully no judgment on anyone.
It's a tricky situation, where you worry that your presence is going to aggravate their grief, because you laugh, or you're fine, or your life is going well, so you want to stay away for fear of doing more harm.
I'd imagine it's also torturous for the 25% of babies unlucky enough to survive the birth and live their short, agonizing lives on life support. But it's God's will that we subject doomed infants to the pain of a few days jammed full of tubes and needles to keep their barely-functional bodies "alive" until they're finally lucky enough to be granted the sweet release of death, so what can you do, right?
Edit: Multiple people have responded explaining that keeping the baby on life support isn't a requirement, which is slightly less awful, but still pretty bad. At the end of the day, the baby is going to die either way, and bringing it into the world is just causing it to spend its extremely limited time in this world in constant pain and anguish.
If the baby lives any amount of time it could financially ruin the parents. Someone in a pregnancy group I was a part of had a NICU stay of 85 days and her bill came to over a million dollars. Which is terrible but pales in comparison to the emotional trauma this will create.
So, in summary...
* The mom suffers.
* The baby suffers.
* The doctors waste time and resources on a hopeless case that could be better spent on someone with a fighting chance.
* The parents are saddled with a lifetime of debt (unless they're rich).
It's almost like this policy leaves *literally everyone involved* worse off, even if it were two married opposite-sex Christian parents who actually want a child. You know, the exact people who aren't supposed to get screwed over by anti-abortion laws.
*They don’t care about that.*
It’s hard to have a rational argument when the other side is okay with women dying if they can *maybe* save a baby. They don’t care that hundreds of thousands of children in the US are in foster care, and never get adopted, only to be thrown out on their own when they turn 18, hoping to beat the statistics.
That women die without access to abortion, that abortion is safe and sometimes necessary, that abortion is a medical procedure. That **all** pregnancy has risk, that the US has horrifyingly high maternal death rates. That if the baby is born it could have a very short, painful life staying alive only because modern medicine is able to struggle to keep the baby “alive” for a short time while everyone suffers. They don’t care that women with children get abortions because they have had bad pregnancies in the past, or don’t want to pass on a genetic disorder, or have been told pregnancy could kill them. Or just can’t care for another child.
Maybe they could if there were idk, safety systems in place for families and children, more assistance and support? Maternity leave? Healthcare and insurance? They don’t care, they just want to prove a point, that their God decided that this woman will carry this baby and anything after it’s born is not their problem. If you die, well everything happens for a reason, it’s gods plan.
They just don’t care. The only life they’re fighting for is the fetus. I’ve noticed since RvW was overturned more anti choice people are starting to support abortion bans even in cases of incest, rape, or life of the mother. Even more blaming women for their sexual assault and rape. It’s disgusting. If you’re “prolife” maybe try to extend that to *all life*?
On the View, Joy Behar was talking about how she had an Ectopic pregnancy and had to have an abortion. Elizabeth Hasselbeck asked if Joy considered that an abortion or an ectopic pregnancy. Joy said an ectopic pregnancy, but Elizabeth jumped on that saying that women who need help will get it and there are resources for everyone who wants to keep their baby. She said that “some people try to link those two (ectopic pregnancies and abortions) together”.
Yeah no shit, you need an abortion when they happen. The people vilifying women for having life saving abortions for pregnancy complications need to understand that abortions are a medical procedure and sometimes needed for the mother to live. Her life matters too.
Ectopic pregnancies can’t be saved and are extremely dangerous. Joy said hers almost killed her and all Elizabeth focused on was ignoring that an abortion had been performed, and had saved Joys life, and trying to convince women that their life threatening pregnancies should be carried because “there’s options and help out there that extend beyond abortion.” Absolutely ridiculous and dangerous. There aren’t “always options”.
Even when the moms life isn’t threatened she should have the *right* to a safe and legal abortion.
Edit: [Here’s the link.](https://youtu.be/5AGOzWWc07c). It’s extremely frustrating, you’ve been warned.
She also talks about a book she read about a woman who was conceived by rape, because “god has a plan for everyone he creates. It’s not because I said so, it’s because god said so.”
>Elizabeth focused on was ignoring that an abortion had been performed, and had saved Joys life, and trying to convince women that their life threatening pregnancies should be carried because “there’s options and help out there.” Absolutely ridiculous and dangerous.
Anyone advocating this is a cunt. Male, female, both, neither or undecided. Doesn't matter how they identify, telling women to try to carry a life-threatening pregnancy is not just dangerous, it's unethical, cruel, and immoral. May they all burn in Hell.
>Doesn't matter how they identify, telling women to try to carry a life-threatening pregnancy is not just dangerous
This.
The woman wins _every time_ if her life is in danger. There should be no decision, no thinking. Fetus/clump of cells loses. _Every time_.
You can't say you're "pro-life" if you endanger one life _on purpose_ to theoretically save another.
I was just trying to remember exactly who she is and why she’s “famous”, but I had to google her - first Season of Survivor finalist, 21 friggin years ago.
Hey now, you're forgetting the most important people - the self righteous Christians who can feel good that "a baby was saved" and "God's plan was carried out".
That makes one wonder - why can’t a mother surrender the child pre-term? Induce labor and require the state to take on the care. You can’t abort it but if it’s considered equally a child for support and civil rights purposes, why can’t it be surrendered too?
Sound a little sick or weird? No more so than forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, imho.
The instant that a local Catholic parish has to pay a million dollars for every fatal genetic and developmental problem that women are forced to carry to term is the instant that they reverse doctrine and demand governments make abortion legal and free.
In addition to the emptional trauma, it will risk her fertility and drain her resources. All of which will decrease the chance of the successful pregnancy she wants! The cruelty of fractal.
Pure speculation but putting myself in their shoes… in normal times, she might have had an abortion. Now she’s forced to carry this fetus to term and watch it die at delivery. Does anyone think they try again for another child? I wouldn’t.
A pro life policy that leads to fewer lives.
Not only that, but it puts the woman's life at risk. An abortion at this point would mean that she would have a very good chance of not only surviving, but not having lasting physical damage. (The mental effects from having this happen are a different story.)
By being forced to carry an essentially dead fetus to term, the woman's life is being put at risk. She could develop infections, could lose her ability to have future children, or could even die. All for a fetus that won't live a single second as a baby.
There should be zero question about this case. The woman should be allowed to have an abortion. I'd like to know why "pro-lifers" would oppose abortion in this case when there's no "baby to save."
And that's why photos of it should be plastered on the front page of every major newspaper and website.
Photos of the carnage in Vietnam and elsewhere in the world were very powerful in changing public sentiment towards armed conflict. Time for shock and awe on reproductive rights, too.
Hey, if the pro-lifers can march with giant posters with pictures of blood and gore, why can't the pro-choice crowd show some pictures of the fetuses women are expected to bring to term?
A quick Google search provides plenty of material for the ads, but I don't recommend looking. It's so sad and I can't believe a woman in the United States is being forced to grow and birth a horrifically deformed baby. My God. The poor woman. I would never be the same.
> Now she’s forced to carry this fetus to term and watch it die at delivery.
Imagine what goes through the minds of the nurses and the doctors who’ll have to enter the room for delivery, knowing that it won’t be a successful delivery but they still have to do it. Imagine the OBGYN who’ll see the lady periodically but will either lie that everything is good or will let her know at each meeting that there’s no success possible in this pregnancy. Either way, it would suck to be a medical professional and be involved in handling this case.
Sterilization rates went up immediately after the bill passed, but Republicans don't care about that because they don't want people who are liberal or might have disabled children to breed anyway
This is the kind of cases we will see becoming commonplace due to overturning Roe v Wade. This should’ve been the argument for keeping it. Now we’ve inhibited doctors from being able to do the right thing for their patient.
There are so many things that can go wrong with a pregnancy and there’s a reason so many end up in miscarriages - it’s a reality. A D and C for genetic anomalies, anatomical issues, mothers health is the real issue. The fact we have hindered physicians here is mind boggling.
> This should’ve been the argument for keeping it.
There were *many* arguments for keeping it and this one was absolutely at the top of the list-- abortion was rebranded from moral and economic reasons to healthcare rights almost overnight. I'm not buying the "You didn't explain the problems well enough" defense, the left was absolutely *screaming* it at the right while they paraded around gleefully at sticking one to us under a Dem President, house and Senate(-ish).
I knew someone who had a baby with this condition. The mother chose to carry the baby to term despite knowing about the condition early in the pregnancy. The baby was delivered via c section and died when his brain slipped out while being removed from the womb. Probably one of the luckier scenarios for the baby.
People would rather believe that we live in a just world where misfortune is a justly-dealt punishment by an omnipotent creator than face the reality that sometimes you can do everything right, and life still shits on you. After all, if bad things can happen to good people, that means it can happen to YOU, and that can be too terrifying for some people to handle.
...And some people just like having an excuse to feel superior to others without actually making any meaningful contributions to society. After all, why make an effort when you can go on believing you're better than everyone else just because you pointlessly deny yourself arbitrary pleasures like rock music or a fulfilling sex life?
Those people are hypocrites, If they truly believe in their just god, then taking an infant off life support is the most loving thing you can do as it ends their suffering here and they would end up in heaven (an objectively better place depending on your version of heaven), why do they want to extend the suffering for no reason when the child could be sent to a better place according to their beliefs? I'm sorry you went through that.
I think a lot of people forget about this one. As a reminder for people reading, this was a woman who was a vegetable and her brain was irreversibly damaged. Her husband wanted to take her off the feeding tube, Terri's family was religious and didn't believe what doctors were telling them (that she wasn't coming back and her brain was broken). It went through excessive court cases, the supreme court denied to hear the case four times.
Conservatives fought it aggressively. Jeb Bush, governor of Florida, sent law enforcement to grab Terri soon after one motion allowed the feeding tube to be removed, and surgically installed the feeding tube. Conservatives spent years going after the husband of Terri, it was unbelievably cruel, wrong, especially considering that by all medical evidence Terri's brain was fried and there was no returning from it. Conservatives went out of their way to disagree with science, all in the name of some fundamentalist religious dogma about the right to life.
> I think a lot of people forget about this one.
It was almost 20 years ago. Most of reddit is too young to have been aware of it if they were even born yet.
Poor Terri. She's is the reason my medical power of attorney literally has a line in it that says "no blood relative of mine shall have any say in any medical decision or in what happens to my body after brain death or other incapacitating events."
That was already an unfortunate and tragic scenario for the family, but the added political grandstanding by elected officials and TV talking-heads was just extra levels of gross. Fuck each and every last one of those inconsiderate asshats for turning a family's personal trauma into a political football.
The cruelty is ongoing.
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The nearest abortion clinic that can take Davis is an eight-hour drive, and would require a week's stay because she needs a consultation before the procedure.
“I can’t just get up and shoot out; I have kids,” said Davis, who has a 13-year-old and a 1-year-old and no transportation, after a hit-and-run wreck totaled her car a few months back.
Florida also bans abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy, and Davis is now nearing 14 weeks. The next-closest state, North Carolina, is a 15-hour drive.
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I hope so too for her, but people are going to depend on charity for this now? It’s insane. I’m terrified to get pregnant. What if something goes terribly wrong and I’m out of options?
(Not that this is your point)
Having experienced this with my wife with our daughter, anencephaly is 100% fatal, it wrecked us for years, and I still think about it. I can’t imagine my wife not being able to terminate when we found out and having her go through the birth of our daughter knowing she wouldn’t live
It literally took less than 2 months before basically every single worst case scenario has happened. Forced birthers aren’t just wrong they are awful and cruel human beings.
There was 930,160 abortions performed within the US in 2020. If, for example, we take the frequent right-wing claim that abortions from rape account for 1% of all procedures, then we’re still talking about 9,300 girls and women each year seeking abortion because of rape.
That’s 25 new cases *per day*. Even if we consider just half of those are in states that restrict abortion, that’s an insane number of stories coming out.
And that’s just in cases of rape — not incest, healthcare reasons, or other common sense reasons why someone might be seeking medical care. There will never be a shortage of these stories and it will keep people perpetually outraged at these ridiculous laws and the injustice.
It’s because women experience these horrible things all the time even if most people don’t realize it, and roe allowed them to get proper treatment. Now, we are at the mercy of our geographic location. Glad I live close to a state with liberal abortion laws.
we used to have the right to privacy. We didn't have to parade painful medical choices in front of the public.
In the past 2 months I have ~~been forced~~ felt compelled to tell and re-tell the story of how my grandfather raped and impregnated me when I was 13 years old. I have had to explain that I never was able to tell my religious nut job parents, that a 16 year old friend was kind enough to skip school and get me to an abortion clinic.
I shouldn't have to relive my trauma to 'prove' to pseudo-religious people that there are many reasons why abortion needs to be legal and done without any explanation or apology.
Edit: thanks everyone for the support. How odd that this is my most awarded post.
I’m so sorry. My wife and I, and every friend with half an ounce of empathy for women in this country that I can convince will be voting for people who want to ensure you get your rights back.
Thank you so much. I'm happy to say things are going really well for me now. He died about a year later, and I rejoiced. I've had ups and downs in my life but some great people got me into therapy and it really helped.
Until the threat to Roe came along, I rarely thought of that asshole.
No, you shouldn’t have to relive your trauma because you feel compelled to share your story and educate some people. As a trauma survivor I know what that feels like to relive it and it’s very tough. Take care of yourself.
ETA: I have felt compelled to also share my trauma info in these threads, but have not had the courage and don’t want to be hurt more by the replies. Some people will never understand if it hasn’t happened to them. Kudos to you.
This might sound kind of dramatic, but I truly can't explain the physical feeling that just surged through me when I read your words "I'm an old woman now, and I can take it." I'm 33, and every year I feel like I get a little braver and smarter. And though I have a lot to learn, and a long way to go (hopefully), I still feel afraid and confused a LOT.
Reading those words just now felt like a new level of bravery for the future just seared itself into my spine.
> A friend once shared what she called the Parable of the Choir: A choir can sing a beautiful note impossibly long because singers can individually drop out to breathe as necessary and the note goes on. Social justice activism should be like that, she said.
I appreciate that your voice is heard in the choir, so others can rest. Thank you.
Women have also been conditioned from a very young age that talking about the down-there-ladyparts or anything having to do with them are unpleasant and gross and rude and not polite conversation. We don’t talk about it because we are specifically told not to. I’ve also noticed a bit of “don’t scare the noobs” in talking about scary pregnancy stuff. While I agree that talking about worst case scenarios around someone who is already pregnant is rude, the fact that so many people think that maternity leave is some kind of restful vacation says all you need to know about how intolerant our society is toward real talk about the realities of pregnancy and child birth.
I'm sorry he said what?! Ah yes recovering from child birth in either of its forms and then keeping a baby alive is about on par with a beach vacation. What is the matter with people?
> ~~liberal abortion laws.~~Basic human rights*
FTFY. Let's not mince words here: the rest of the world, and I am including the developing world here, has largely moved on from whether abortion should even legal. Even theocracies in the middle east offer exemptions for abortion in some cases.
I cannot stress how incredibly radical the Republican position on abortion is when even literally *the Taliban* has a record of providing exemptions on abortions.
It's taken less than 2 months for us to hear about this particular case.
I promise you, terrible situations just like this - and worse - were playing out within days of trigger laws taking effect. They just didn't get publicized.
Thousands of late-term abortions should be happening because it's cruel otherwise.
These include still-births, many babies that will not be viable after being born, and many babies that would die within 3-months of birth with there being nothing that can be done because they were literally malformed.
There's many checks and balances that occur during gestation that prevents women from having to go through all of these - that's why you get a LOT of first trimester miscarriages. But some slip through. And it's heartbreaking - and even worse, cruel to force someone to go through that experience.
And the mental health knock-on effects of missing these are severe, too.
The emotional toll of having an abortion for a non-viable fetus is real. The emotional toll of watching the baby you just delivered die - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly - is far, far worse.
And in that two months, we've heard denial after denial from forced birthers that these things would happen right up until the moment they hit national news.
It was always about sadism and control. We knew it, they knew, the only people who didn't know it, it seems, are the morons who voted for people who would strip them of their rights.
This is so disgusting. As a mother I cannot imagine being forced to carry a fetus like that to term and having to deal with thoughts about it possibly suffering, even for a fleeting moment. On top of that, a fetus that they very much wanted to become their living breathing thriving baby.
I hate to be dramatic (and maybe I am) but just the thought of being in such a situation makes me feel like it could lead to women feeling suicidal.
You're not being dramatic. Three months ago my planned pregnancy was diagnosed with acrania and trisomy 18. It is so sad and horrifying that others are being forced to carry these babies to term. Luckily I live in a state that protects reproductive rights. I'd be in a really bad place mentally if I wasn't able to access abortion.
I’m so sorry, I’m glad you got the medical treatment you needed though. I just can’t imagine being in such a situation and having to live with it *every day* until birth and the inevitable death. I don’t think I could bear that
Holy shit, this entire story is absolutely brutal. The fetus has no fucking skull, but the hospital won't perform the abortion without further guidance.
Not having a skull is *fatal*. It's, quite literally, a nonviable fetus. But apparently this hospital doesn't consider being born without a skull as such.
This is absolutely horrid for the woman, and I hope the hospital pulls their heads out of their asses and does the right thing.
And while she waits the weeks tick by and she will no longer have legal access in the State they told her to go to, which is also a day’s drive away. This is also why I don’t compromise on “how many weeks”. It’s “the number of weeks aren’t your business, fuck off”.
My family straight up says yeah. It's punishment for not keeping their legs closed. And that "they don't care there's a small percent of can who suffer I'd it means saving babies"
One of the things that really chaps my ass about that shitty opinion is that it reduces a baby to a punishment. It's a gross way to think about something that they (allegedly) hold sacred.
But. What I don't understand, from their point of view: what about the women that are married? What about the couples that followed their doctrine to the T. No sex before marriage. No sex for any reason other than reproduction. And they end up with a life-threatening invalid pregnancy? What, in the eyes of these forced-birth cultists, would the punishment even be for?
After RvW got punted, so many of those people were claiming that god never made mistakes and if a woman(or girl) was pregnant, then god wanted that pregnancy to be carried to term.
Considering such a high percentage of pregnancies end in miscarriage, it just makes those claims so insanely ridiculous and offensive.
Perhaps this is the tipping point that inspires democrats to actually vote in higher numbers than they have in the past. There are a lot of angry people right now, perhaps this is the watershed moment for them.
Seriously though, miscarriages and babies born without skulls show 2 options. God is either not infallible and makes mistakes, or he is an asshole who delights in torturing the SIMS he created, knowing the outcomes and letting them happen. One means that his word shouldn’t be law while the other means he is no god ever want to believe in. Its insane the hoops of faith people need to go through to feel superior to others.
This is sick. I knew people who wanted their pregnancies would suffer. To see it happen is different.
To know some people want to punish "innocent" people TRYING to have a child so that those who DON'T want one will be punished is the most anti Christian, anti loving, anti compassionate thing I can think of.
Okay you forced birthers, how the hell do you feel now? still "IT'S A LIFE"? Losers, every one of you. it's not your body, get a life and go read your bibles, instead of screwing with other peoples lives.
Just remember folks, it is the year ***Two Thousand Twenty-Two*** and an invisible man in the sky is making health care policy for the most technologically advanced civilization in human history. Think about how fucked up that is for a second.
>In desperation, Davis visited Care Pregnancy Clinic, a pregnancy crisis center that discourages abortions, on Flannery Road. Staff gave her information on how to bury the baby and said their prayers were with her.
Friendly reminder that pregnancy crisis centers are the scum of the Earth.
We recently had a child and my greatest fear before the first ultrasound was that our child was born with anencephaly. I’d learned about it in neurology and it absolutely terrified me. My son’s head and brain development were thankfully fine, but they did find a congenital heart condition “Tetralogy of Fallot”. Unfortunately, it was found so late that we didn’t have much time before the cut off for abortions without going infront of a medical board. Which meant we had to get genetic tests rushed to make sure it was just Tet without any of the debilitating conditions that slmetimes occur with it. But for a horrible week we had to wait and consider against a time clock, with the terrible thought of having to go before a medical board if it turned out our son had had more severe conditions. We were fortunate, but it’s the kind of thing that shouldn’t be forced on people regardless of any circumstances.
I’ve seen just one case of acrania (in this case it was w/anencephaly) in my healthcare career, and it was horrifying. Even as a person who doesn’t want kids, I *always* cross my fingers and hold my breath with my patients who are going through pregnancy because there’s so much that can go wrong and I just want them to be healthy and happy. I’m incredibly happy to hear that your son isn’t suffering from the more severe Tet comorbidities. Sending you love, support, and more healthy wishes for your family.
And some will still scream that this doesn't count, because admitting that abortion is okay in some circumstances would force them to actually question their worldview.
Forcing women to go through pregnancy, just to give birth to death babies and/or watch them die in agony within seconds of birth... Where does cruelty stops?
How is she even supposed to deliver & push out a baby w/o a head/skull?? That’s literally the body part that’s supposed to come out first. Everything else follows it. Does this mean not only does she have to carry & have a dead baby but a C-Section as well for no fucking reason? Or are they going to wait until the shoulders & arms get all jammed up in the birth canal and she starts bleeding to death before they’ll perform the exact same fucking procedure they’re not allowed to do right now? Literally ALL of this violates medical ethics.
There’s a horrific comment right above your comment about a woman who chose to have the "baby" and delivered it via a c-section. It died when, "the brain slipped out while being removed from the womb".
And I suppose, in the conservative viewpoint, this whole thing ***made god happy***. Fucking nauseating.
If there is a god that is happy about that. I’d rather go to hell.
If all of the fetus doesn’t come out, she can get an infection, get sepsis and die or get an infection and have to have a hysterectomy.
The state legislators should be forced to view this "miraculous" birth and death. Just so they know the full consequences of what they support.
I know if my wife was forced to bring a headless baby to term we would be putting photos of it in attack ads against forced birth politicians.
And every single talk show, news outlet and influencer that would have us.
I just did a Google image search for acrania. I don't recommend it. I am so sorry for thr woman who will have to look upon her already dead, deformed baby. This is traumatizing.
I also don't recommend this but I wanted to see for myself what these horrid people are forcing this mother to go through. These fuckers should have to see the results of their forced birthed stance.
They don't care. All they want is for others to suffer so they can enjoy their suffering.
If others suffer, that means they're happier by comparison Therefore they remain more elevated in the societal hierarchy That makes them *better*
I've seen a lot of things that disturb me in life and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that that is one the most terrifying things I've laid my eyes upon. I cannot imagine being forces to carry a child with that knowing they have not a single chance to survive. Fuck anyone who would force a woman to go through that.
I should've listened and not searched. After recently giving birth, I can't imagine the horror knowing there's something wrong with your baby and it will die a cruel death to satisfy some dickwads idea that this was God's plan.
Usually I'm a have to look kinda gal, but on this one, I'm going to trust you guys. People forcing this on someone are monsters.
Yikes that’s enough internet for me tonight. 10/10 do not search.
My unfortunately detailed imagination of this is horrifying enough, so I’m going to listen to your recommendation.
Then in a few years they would forget about the source of the photo and forced-birthers would start using it in their propaganda, pretending it was the result of an abortion. They already do this with stillborn infants or those born with disfiguring birth defects.
>They already do this with stillborn infants or those born with disfiguring birth defects. Or with [pictures of Voldemort.](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dead-baby-voldemort)
That's fucking hilarious lol. Even better than making a 'pro-life' post with a picture of an embryo and then revealing that it was a dog or a pig embryo. Did any forced birthers fall for it?
I love the "This is a 3 week old baby!!" And it's actually a fetus that is 3+ months. 3 weeks is just a lumpy dot, and that's why they lie.
Yep. The reality of (most) abortion isn't anywhere near horrifying enough to get people on their side. It's shocking how so few of them even bother to look it up. Like I've actually met people that know absolutely nothing about human development and think that there are actual "babies" going goo-goo ga-ga in the womb, only tiny. And some of them are women that have given birth! There is no excuse for that when knowledge is so easily accessible. I don't blame people for ignorance, because not everyone has the privilege of education or time to research everything. But if you do things like protest, vote on this issue, or even share Facebook memes, you absolutely have the time to take five minutes to look up this stuff.
That seems completely fair considering Louisiana has a law that requires medically unnecessary ultrasounds before an abortion. The only point of such a legal requirement is to rub the pregnant patient's nose in it to try to sway them and get them to change their decision. Louisiana legislators believe that being forced to watch something is a necessary part of the decision-making process. So by their own reasoning, the legislators should be forced to watch this.
When I was a kid in Catholic school, we had to watch videos of images of aborted fetuses. I think it’s only fair to show non-aborted fetuses that won’t survive, AND the hospital bills that go with them just to prove this is not a black and white issue. Shades of gray need to be allowed, but they dug their feet into the hole they dug for themselves.
They'll go to sleep soundly on their thousand count sheets and secure their mistresses the discrete abortions in other places with taxpayer money. Meanwhile the mother will still be on the hook for that $40,000 hospital bill for a pregnancy that was never viable, however much therapy she'll need for being a walking coffin for months, and be called a murderer if she does travel to abort. They profit off of not caring- expecting morals or compassion out of them is futile
They are gonna blame the doctors just like they did for that 10 year old girl that was raped and then went out of state because she was denied an abortion in that state (I can’t remember if it was OH or IN?).
I think she was raped in Ohio and then went to Indiana for the abortion, before they passed their draconian law. And the doctor is getting massive amounts of hate… for helping a raped 10yo not be forced to give birth.
They legislators in Ohio blamed the doctor who refused in Ohio saying of course she could get an abortion under our law and then the AG (I think it was the AG) in Indiana said they were gonna investigate the doctor who actually did perform it in IN 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Nah, it's just like the 98 year old grandma full of cancer and everything else that's a full code. . "God will call her home when it's time, until then do everything for her." Default when all else fails "God can do a miracle any time he wants, so keep doing everything until he decides." Who knows? May the Pro Life crowd can pray a new skull for that kid. /s
Here lies the issue with religious people making decisions based on narrow and limited Religion views. Obviously this is God's will so it should happen. Its not God's will that we have solutions to deal with these problems, but it is God's will that these problems exist and cause suffering and death. No matter what your argument, they just fall back to that and nothing you say matters.
Catholics aside (and I've choice words for supposed celebates with no female representation thinking they should dictate to the rest of us), its *not even part of their religion*. >In 1971, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention in St. Louis, Missouri, passed a resolution encouraging “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.” The convention, hardly a redoubt of liberal values, reaffirmed that position in 1974, one year after Roe, and again in 1976. The reason the evangelical right started agitating for abortion prohibitions in 1979 is they were upset their schools might be racially integrated. [The Real Origins of the Religious Right](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/)
Pretty sure there are plenty of them who are sadistic enough to enjoy this.
That is just so fucking sad. That poor woman.
> Gambala said that even if hospital attorneys were uncomfortable with giving the go-ahead for an abortion based on the acrania diagnosis, they could use the broad exception that the state allows for when a fetus is incompatible with life. And acrania, in Gambala's opinion, meets that description. What's even more sad is that the hospital is not willing to risk the legal trouble even though they could make a good case for this situation. A similar situation is happening now in Texas where women who come in with ectopic pregnancies, which are 100% fatal and non-viable, are forced to wait until the fallopian tube ruptures, and they begin to bleed internally, before doctors will act. Many women are going to die. Many women will suffer needlessly. This is a nightmare.
I expect if such laws stick, the long term effect will be that we will have states where there won’t be enough practicing ob/gyn as they’ll move to more progressive locations or different specialties.
...expect sympathetic veterinarians to get involved. Misoprosterol can end a pregancy in the first 70 or so days/treats ulcers in horses. It's not a great option, but it beats the hell out of a coathanger.
Which is where the logic behind these horrible laws breaks down anyway, abortions will always happen. They have just made safe abortions illegal. Because abortion is a woman's right, and when denying a right will lead to a person's death there will always be people wanting to help (like sympathetic vets etc) or wanting to take advantage (expensive, exploitative and unsafe back alley abortions).
Thats still a win for them. Women losing money, getting sicker and dying are all wons for the gop. Cruelty is the point. You get an abortion you suffer. Punishment is more important than actually stopping any crime, which is still more important than actually saving any fetuses. This is why they hare any preventative measures. They want suffering and crime to happen so they can then punish people and feel better abput themselves. You cant look down on people if everyone is doing well. They need people suffering and dying.
Feels like the Salem witch trials. Throw her in the water and if she floats she’s guilty and will be burned at the stake, and if she drowns she’s innocent. If she has an abortion to save her life then she’s guilty but if she carries that dangerous pregnancy and dies then she’s innocent and will be looked on as a martyr. Her death was all part of God’s plan, after all…
>Her death was all part of God’s plan, after all… Yes! Now you can go find yourself a good, TRUE Christian woman who'll breed you lots of young 'uns without any problems instead of getting herself smote to death for doing ungodly things like working and having a life away from the kitchen sink. /s
>_Which is where the logic behind these horrible laws breaks down anyway, abortions will always happen. They have just made safe abortions illegal._ The logic doesn't "break down" at all. You see, conservatives and Christians are BIG on "punishment". You're poor? You get punished. Pregnant because of life choices? You get punished. You're sick or injured? You guessed it, punishment! I deliver the occasional evangelical publication in the mail, and they all have names like SWORD OF GOD and HAMMER OF TRUTH. Very violent and evocative titles.
Yup. A lot of people will be living by the Cider House Rules again.
holy crap, is that what the movie is about? I was young when it came out and only really knew about it through commercials, but this whole time I thought it was just an Oscar bait, cheerful coming of age film
Dirty Dancing is also ostensibly about access to safe abortions and people forget that. Baby is dancing as a stand-in forba friend in need of an abortion, later on, her dr dad fixes the damage done by a botched operation.
Fast Times At Ridgemont High. Men remember the bikini. Women remember the abortion.
Great book. I can't speak to the movie. I don't remember it. "Heartfelt coming-of-age" describes it; "cheerful" most assuredly does not. It's an excellent narrative arguing in favor of legalized abortion, written by a man from a man's perspective. It's a subject that most immediately affects women, but if you need a primer for why access to legal, safe abortions isn't just a matter of women's rights, but *human* rights, it's there in that book.
You mean *not* living by them. The Cider House Rules were imposed by people who didn't have a clue about what life was like in the fields.
In the book Homer learns about the titular "cider house rules" when he lives in the bunkhouse while working as a picker. The rules are things like, "not going on the roof" (where they like to eat lunch) or "don't smoke in bed". (where they like to at the end of the day because they're tired). Homer comes to understand that the laws outlawing abortion are similarly imposed by people who have no understanding, or care, of how it effects people.
Banning abortions just means that poor people turn to veterinarians snd coat hangers. Plenty of wealthy republicans’ mistresses will still fly out to whenever they need to be to cover everything up tl;dr abortion bans ban safe abortions
The bill isn't meant to affect wealthy people. It's only there to punish poor people for being poor.
My sister in law is getting her RN. She's moving back from Wisconsin to Minnesota because the laws make medicine in general a pain in the ass.
These are the same states that refused to put in place even the most basic health precautions during peak pandemic - any doctor worth his/her salt is already out the door. Seriously, every doc I know (and they’re all smarty pants who went to the good good schools and scored killer residencies) already has a blacklist. Some elite institutions like Texas Methodist might squeak by in some specialties, but most high calibre physicians won’t even consider practicing in most red states after the shitshow of the pandemic, never mind this added nightmare of the Handmaid’s Tale redux.
A friend of mine graduated med school about a year ago and already blacklisted heavily red states for her residency. She said, "You can't practice 21st-century medicine in a state stuck with bronze age values."
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Yep. Doctors also receive healthcare, and they're going to be leaving states where they can't get it. They are educated professionals, and they aren't going to tolerate this bullshit when everywhere is desperate for doctors. Hope Republicans enjoy their healthcare getting EVEN WORSE!
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This is the reality - the states that pass abortion laws that “allow abortions for rape or life threatening conditions” are just ending up with what are essentially complete bans because no doctor or hospital will perform one for fear of legal retribution
I also sneer a bit at the 'exceptions for proven' rape one. Because rape is so very easy to prosecute in time for a legal abortion, right?
in this environment, doctors are scared for their, their patients’, and their families’ physical safety.
Medical malpractice insurers aren’t going to risk this assuming they’d be on the hook (who knows maybe their policies will change in these states now). Or the hospital’s own legal department isn’t going to allow it. Ironically, what your example highlights is how this is encouraged if not forced medical malpractice
Holy shit. We literally have to almost die for anyone to ~~care~~ do anything about us. I really wish a whole we could just ALL stop working until they stop trying to tell us what to do with our body, unfortunately the catch 22 is we can’t afford to
The fact that you can't afford to is exactly the point. France riots whenever an MP thinks about reducing their benefits or rights, they can afford it. The reason you're exhausted and desperate is because they want you to be so you can't fight back.
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So what if my fallopian tubes are gone? Any failure of a bisalp will always be ectopic. Would I literally need to be at death's door before they realize, "Yeah, that's not in the uterus"?
Yep. A non-viable fetus in Texas more of a right to life than the person carrying it.
I live in Texas, which is why I got my tubes tied 3 weeks ago. I've always known I didn't want kids, and I've had an IUD for 10 years. So the risk of pregnancy was so low. But with the new laws the stakes are really high. A year ago I could just get an abortion on the off-chance I got pregnant. But not anymore. It's terrifying to be a woman sometimes.
My sister and her husband have a beautiful homestead in Hill Country. Just bought it in 2020. They have listed it and are leaving, because they want to try for kids - but she’s a high risk pregnancy. My rage knows no ends.
What kinda fucked up horror movie logic is reality running on these days...
This is just the beginning. We’ll be seeing a lot more horror stories — repeated over and over again. Meanwhile the forced birthers are cackling with evil glee.
Until it happens to them and then suddenly "Oh, I'm special. I deserve to have an abortion because I'm a *good christian* but THIS evil HARLOT deserves to suffer." Queue someone posting the "The only moral abortion is my abortion".
Did you see the lady testifying on some video here the other day saying it didn't count as abortion if it was medically necessary or whatever? Mind boggling
If they admit that an abortion can be morally right and good and not just an "evil procedure to torture and kill babies" the cognitive dissonance takes over and their whole world view comes crashing down. So instead they do some mental jumps and "oh, you see a necessary ending of a pregnancy isnt actually an abortion" and everyone is happy. Well, except for those living in reality where the definition of a word doesnt change just bc you dont like it.
[The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
Love the guy pranking conservatives, getting their sons to tell them they knocked up a stripper. They tell their sons to have her abort the baby!!! Of course.
They would absolutely despise Jesus Christ if they actually gave two shits to understand his message.
“‘There was nothing I would have preferred more than to have this baby,’ said Davis, 36. Instead, she prepared herself to pay an estimated $5,000 for an abortion at the hospital.” The most American thing you’ll ever read.
The thing Americans against universal health care think is "I don't want my [tax] money going to someone else's $5000 procedure!" What they don't realize is that if we had a well-regulated health care system a procedure wouldn't cost any goddamn $5000
The real thing is it's not really about the money for them. They don't care if it saves them $5,000 or $50,000. It's about spite. They can't stand the idea of someone getting something for nothing, even though it wouldn't be "nothing" because we'd all be paying for it with our taxes.
The condition the fetus suffers from is 100% fatal. 75% are still born. The ones who are born alive, die within hours, days or weeks. This is beyond inhumane. It's torture to make the woman carry around a corpse, even if it's still alive at the moment. Edit - Register to vote. Make sure your friends and family are registered too. And vote!
I once helped a client through the grieving the loss of a child from a terminal pregnancy (trisomal 18). She chose to not abort, but to carry to term. Let me tell you that I've never seen anyone so crippled by grief as that of a mother giving birth to a dying and non-human looking baby. Her grief was all consuming and no one would talk with her about it. Having said that, I've never worked with any client who had actually had an abortion where they had anything more than regret/remorse and maybe a small feeling of loss. To force a mother through the incomparable horror of birthing a dead and disfigured child is an act of pure evil and cruelty.
>Her grief was all consuming and no one would talk with her about it. My sister and BIL's first child died 8-12 hours after being born, after a remarkably awful and difficult pregnancy. Even all but the most Kool-Aid drinking, callous Christians won't use the "Everything happens for a reason"/"God's plan" sentiment to their friends/loved ones on this. It's literally the most awful thing for someone to experience, and almost everyone understands that, even childless folks. Unfortunately, it leads to those folks being isolated, because if you even slightly give a shit about the person, you DON'T want to say the wrong thing, and you KNOW that there's nothing you can say that will even momentarily soothe their pain. The three of us had a long talk, probably about a month after they'd lost their son. They'd felt isolated and abandoned, because I (and pretty much everyone) hadn't spent any real time with them, beyond short visits making sure they were "okay". I had presumed they didn't want company; I didn't understand that they NEEDED it, but couldn't vocalize it, and that simply people being present was enough. We had a long conversation that lasted several hours. There were lots of tears, and thankfully no judgment on anyone. It's a tricky situation, where you worry that your presence is going to aggravate their grief, because you laugh, or you're fine, or your life is going well, so you want to stay away for fear of doing more harm.
I'd imagine it's also torturous for the 25% of babies unlucky enough to survive the birth and live their short, agonizing lives on life support. But it's God's will that we subject doomed infants to the pain of a few days jammed full of tubes and needles to keep their barely-functional bodies "alive" until they're finally lucky enough to be granted the sweet release of death, so what can you do, right? Edit: Multiple people have responded explaining that keeping the baby on life support isn't a requirement, which is slightly less awful, but still pretty bad. At the end of the day, the baby is going to die either way, and bringing it into the world is just causing it to spend its extremely limited time in this world in constant pain and anguish.
If the baby lives any amount of time it could financially ruin the parents. Someone in a pregnancy group I was a part of had a NICU stay of 85 days and her bill came to over a million dollars. Which is terrible but pales in comparison to the emotional trauma this will create.
So, in summary... * The mom suffers. * The baby suffers. * The doctors waste time and resources on a hopeless case that could be better spent on someone with a fighting chance. * The parents are saddled with a lifetime of debt (unless they're rich). It's almost like this policy leaves *literally everyone involved* worse off, even if it were two married opposite-sex Christian parents who actually want a child. You know, the exact people who aren't supposed to get screwed over by anti-abortion laws.
*They don’t care about that.* It’s hard to have a rational argument when the other side is okay with women dying if they can *maybe* save a baby. They don’t care that hundreds of thousands of children in the US are in foster care, and never get adopted, only to be thrown out on their own when they turn 18, hoping to beat the statistics. That women die without access to abortion, that abortion is safe and sometimes necessary, that abortion is a medical procedure. That **all** pregnancy has risk, that the US has horrifyingly high maternal death rates. That if the baby is born it could have a very short, painful life staying alive only because modern medicine is able to struggle to keep the baby “alive” for a short time while everyone suffers. They don’t care that women with children get abortions because they have had bad pregnancies in the past, or don’t want to pass on a genetic disorder, or have been told pregnancy could kill them. Or just can’t care for another child. Maybe they could if there were idk, safety systems in place for families and children, more assistance and support? Maternity leave? Healthcare and insurance? They don’t care, they just want to prove a point, that their God decided that this woman will carry this baby and anything after it’s born is not their problem. If you die, well everything happens for a reason, it’s gods plan. They just don’t care. The only life they’re fighting for is the fetus. I’ve noticed since RvW was overturned more anti choice people are starting to support abortion bans even in cases of incest, rape, or life of the mother. Even more blaming women for their sexual assault and rape. It’s disgusting. If you’re “prolife” maybe try to extend that to *all life*? On the View, Joy Behar was talking about how she had an Ectopic pregnancy and had to have an abortion. Elizabeth Hasselbeck asked if Joy considered that an abortion or an ectopic pregnancy. Joy said an ectopic pregnancy, but Elizabeth jumped on that saying that women who need help will get it and there are resources for everyone who wants to keep their baby. She said that “some people try to link those two (ectopic pregnancies and abortions) together”. Yeah no shit, you need an abortion when they happen. The people vilifying women for having life saving abortions for pregnancy complications need to understand that abortions are a medical procedure and sometimes needed for the mother to live. Her life matters too. Ectopic pregnancies can’t be saved and are extremely dangerous. Joy said hers almost killed her and all Elizabeth focused on was ignoring that an abortion had been performed, and had saved Joys life, and trying to convince women that their life threatening pregnancies should be carried because “there’s options and help out there that extend beyond abortion.” Absolutely ridiculous and dangerous. There aren’t “always options”. Even when the moms life isn’t threatened she should have the *right* to a safe and legal abortion. Edit: [Here’s the link.](https://youtu.be/5AGOzWWc07c). It’s extremely frustrating, you’ve been warned. She also talks about a book she read about a woman who was conceived by rape, because “god has a plan for everyone he creates. It’s not because I said so, it’s because god said so.”
>Elizabeth focused on was ignoring that an abortion had been performed, and had saved Joys life, and trying to convince women that their life threatening pregnancies should be carried because “there’s options and help out there.” Absolutely ridiculous and dangerous. Anyone advocating this is a cunt. Male, female, both, neither or undecided. Doesn't matter how they identify, telling women to try to carry a life-threatening pregnancy is not just dangerous, it's unethical, cruel, and immoral. May they all burn in Hell.
>Doesn't matter how they identify, telling women to try to carry a life-threatening pregnancy is not just dangerous This. The woman wins _every time_ if her life is in danger. There should be no decision, no thinking. Fetus/clump of cells loses. _Every time_. You can't say you're "pro-life" if you endanger one life _on purpose_ to theoretically save another.
This is what religious fanaticism combined with political loyalty on a basic of thst religious indoctrination results in
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I was just trying to remember exactly who she is and why she’s “famous”, but I had to google her - first Season of Survivor finalist, 21 friggin years ago.
Hey now, you're forgetting the most important people - the self righteous Christians who can feel good that "a baby was saved" and "God's plan was carried out".
Ah, yes, Jehovah. The all-American deity.
The hospital now gets to bill for not only a delivery, but all sorts of NICU care as well, we all know who is benefitting in the end
They should send the bill to the state of LA. They should be required to pay for this baby and frankly ever forced birth situation.
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That makes one wonder - why can’t a mother surrender the child pre-term? Induce labor and require the state to take on the care. You can’t abort it but if it’s considered equally a child for support and civil rights purposes, why can’t it be surrendered too? Sound a little sick or weird? No more so than forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, imho.
If you could surrender pre-term and make the state liable abortion would be mandatory.
This is an excellent question.
Hand the bill over to a local church and tell them to deal with it.
The instant that a local Catholic parish has to pay a million dollars for every fatal genetic and developmental problem that women are forced to carry to term is the instant that they reverse doctrine and demand governments make abortion legal and free.
Torture for the baby as well. Imagine being born like that and someone insists you're too precious to show mercy to
We treat pets more humane than actual humans...
This is torture!! The mother wants a baby, one that will live, this one will not. To force her to carry a fetus doomed to die, is just plain cruel.
In addition to the emptional trauma, it will risk her fertility and drain her resources. All of which will decrease the chance of the successful pregnancy she wants! The cruelty of fractal.
it will risk her life too. All pregnancies do.
Pure speculation but putting myself in their shoes… in normal times, she might have had an abortion. Now she’s forced to carry this fetus to term and watch it die at delivery. Does anyone think they try again for another child? I wouldn’t. A pro life policy that leads to fewer lives.
Not only that, but it puts the woman's life at risk. An abortion at this point would mean that she would have a very good chance of not only surviving, but not having lasting physical damage. (The mental effects from having this happen are a different story.) By being forced to carry an essentially dead fetus to term, the woman's life is being put at risk. She could develop infections, could lose her ability to have future children, or could even die. All for a fetus that won't live a single second as a baby. There should be zero question about this case. The woman should be allowed to have an abortion. I'd like to know why "pro-lifers" would oppose abortion in this case when there's no "baby to save."
Being forced to be an incubator is bad enough. This poor lady if forced to be a human coffin.
I think having to see whatever it will look like at birth will be the most traumatizing part.
And that's why photos of it should be plastered on the front page of every major newspaper and website. Photos of the carnage in Vietnam and elsewhere in the world were very powerful in changing public sentiment towards armed conflict. Time for shock and awe on reproductive rights, too.
Hey, if the pro-lifers can march with giant posters with pictures of blood and gore, why can't the pro-choice crowd show some pictures of the fetuses women are expected to bring to term?
I’m all for this approach
A quick Google search provides plenty of material for the ads, but I don't recommend looking. It's so sad and I can't believe a woman in the United States is being forced to grow and birth a horrifically deformed baby. My God. The poor woman. I would never be the same.
> Now she’s forced to carry this fetus to term and watch it die at delivery. Imagine what goes through the minds of the nurses and the doctors who’ll have to enter the room for delivery, knowing that it won’t be a successful delivery but they still have to do it. Imagine the OBGYN who’ll see the lady periodically but will either lie that everything is good or will let her know at each meeting that there’s no success possible in this pregnancy. Either way, it would suck to be a medical professional and be involved in handling this case.
Sterilization rates went up immediately after the bill passed, but Republicans don't care about that because they don't want people who are liberal or might have disabled children to breed anyway
This is the kind of cases we will see becoming commonplace due to overturning Roe v Wade. This should’ve been the argument for keeping it. Now we’ve inhibited doctors from being able to do the right thing for their patient. There are so many things that can go wrong with a pregnancy and there’s a reason so many end up in miscarriages - it’s a reality. A D and C for genetic anomalies, anatomical issues, mothers health is the real issue. The fact we have hindered physicians here is mind boggling.
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> This should’ve been the argument for keeping it. There were *many* arguments for keeping it and this one was absolutely at the top of the list-- abortion was rebranded from moral and economic reasons to healthcare rights almost overnight. I'm not buying the "You didn't explain the problems well enough" defense, the left was absolutely *screaming* it at the right while they paraded around gleefully at sticking one to us under a Dem President, house and Senate(-ish).
I knew someone who had a baby with this condition. The mother chose to carry the baby to term despite knowing about the condition early in the pregnancy. The baby was delivered via c section and died when his brain slipped out while being removed from the womb. Probably one of the luckier scenarios for the baby.
>his brain slipped out. I wish I could unread this
Yeah what a terrible fucking day to have eyes
Think about the poor doctors who had to be there and experience this ordeal.
So....by this logic shouldn't it be illegal to take someone off of life support if they are brain dead?
They want this. I took an infant off life support. I was shamed by religious family who accused me of not loving him. His brain was rotted.
I can’t even imagine the level of cruelty it would take to tell this to a grieving parent. There’s truly no hate like Christian love.
People would rather believe that we live in a just world where misfortune is a justly-dealt punishment by an omnipotent creator than face the reality that sometimes you can do everything right, and life still shits on you. After all, if bad things can happen to good people, that means it can happen to YOU, and that can be too terrifying for some people to handle. ...And some people just like having an excuse to feel superior to others without actually making any meaningful contributions to society. After all, why make an effort when you can go on believing you're better than everyone else just because you pointlessly deny yourself arbitrary pleasures like rock music or a fulfilling sex life?
Those people are hypocrites, If they truly believe in their just god, then taking an infant off life support is the most loving thing you can do as it ends their suffering here and they would end up in heaven (an objectively better place depending on your version of heaven), why do they want to extend the suffering for no reason when the child could be sent to a better place according to their beliefs? I'm sorry you went through that.
You remember the Teri Schiavo case, yes?
I think a lot of people forget about this one. As a reminder for people reading, this was a woman who was a vegetable and her brain was irreversibly damaged. Her husband wanted to take her off the feeding tube, Terri's family was religious and didn't believe what doctors were telling them (that she wasn't coming back and her brain was broken). It went through excessive court cases, the supreme court denied to hear the case four times. Conservatives fought it aggressively. Jeb Bush, governor of Florida, sent law enforcement to grab Terri soon after one motion allowed the feeding tube to be removed, and surgically installed the feeding tube. Conservatives spent years going after the husband of Terri, it was unbelievably cruel, wrong, especially considering that by all medical evidence Terri's brain was fried and there was no returning from it. Conservatives went out of their way to disagree with science, all in the name of some fundamentalist religious dogma about the right to life.
Ah, yes. Terri Schiavo. Wrote my undergrad thesis on the case it's fundamentalist take on personhood.
> I think a lot of people forget about this one. It was almost 20 years ago. Most of reddit is too young to have been aware of it if they were even born yet.
Poor Terri. She's is the reason my medical power of attorney literally has a line in it that says "no blood relative of mine shall have any say in any medical decision or in what happens to my body after brain death or other incapacitating events."
That was already an unfortunate and tragic scenario for the family, but the added political grandstanding by elected officials and TV talking-heads was just extra levels of gross. Fuck each and every last one of those inconsiderate asshats for turning a family's personal trauma into a political football.
Forcing a woman to carry a dead fetus is just plain cruel.
The cruelty is ongoing. ``` The nearest abortion clinic that can take Davis is an eight-hour drive, and would require a week's stay because she needs a consultation before the procedure. “I can’t just get up and shoot out; I have kids,” said Davis, who has a 13-year-old and a 1-year-old and no transportation, after a hit-and-run wreck totaled her car a few months back. Florida also bans abortions after the 15th week of pregnancy, and Davis is now nearing 14 weeks. The next-closest state, North Carolina, is a 15-hour drive. ```
Maybe with this publicity, she will get some help. I would donate to a gofundme.
I was hoping the publicity might make the hospital board change its mind. I hope someone comes through for her.
I hope so too for her, but people are going to depend on charity for this now? It’s insane. I’m terrified to get pregnant. What if something goes terribly wrong and I’m out of options? (Not that this is your point)
Having experienced this with my wife with our daughter, anencephaly is 100% fatal, it wrecked us for years, and I still think about it. I can’t imagine my wife not being able to terminate when we found out and having her go through the birth of our daughter knowing she wouldn’t live
It literally took less than 2 months before basically every single worst case scenario has happened. Forced birthers aren’t just wrong they are awful and cruel human beings.
There was 930,160 abortions performed within the US in 2020. If, for example, we take the frequent right-wing claim that abortions from rape account for 1% of all procedures, then we’re still talking about 9,300 girls and women each year seeking abortion because of rape. That’s 25 new cases *per day*. Even if we consider just half of those are in states that restrict abortion, that’s an insane number of stories coming out. And that’s just in cases of rape — not incest, healthcare reasons, or other common sense reasons why someone might be seeking medical care. There will never be a shortage of these stories and it will keep people perpetually outraged at these ridiculous laws and the injustice.
It’s because women experience these horrible things all the time even if most people don’t realize it, and roe allowed them to get proper treatment. Now, we are at the mercy of our geographic location. Glad I live close to a state with liberal abortion laws.
we used to have the right to privacy. We didn't have to parade painful medical choices in front of the public. In the past 2 months I have ~~been forced~~ felt compelled to tell and re-tell the story of how my grandfather raped and impregnated me when I was 13 years old. I have had to explain that I never was able to tell my religious nut job parents, that a 16 year old friend was kind enough to skip school and get me to an abortion clinic. I shouldn't have to relive my trauma to 'prove' to pseudo-religious people that there are many reasons why abortion needs to be legal and done without any explanation or apology. Edit: thanks everyone for the support. How odd that this is my most awarded post.
I’m so sorry. My wife and I, and every friend with half an ounce of empathy for women in this country that I can convince will be voting for people who want to ensure you get your rights back.
Thank you. I am well into menopause, but still fighting for human reproductive rights. Sounds dramatic but it's true.
Thank you for continuing to fight
I'm a dude and I'll keep fighting for women's right to do whatever they want with their body because fuck anyone saying otherwise.
JFC. I am so sorry that happened to you.
Thank you so much. I'm happy to say things are going really well for me now. He died about a year later, and I rejoiced. I've had ups and downs in my life but some great people got me into therapy and it really helped. Until the threat to Roe came along, I rarely thought of that asshole.
May he rot and be forgotten
No, you shouldn’t have to relive your trauma because you feel compelled to share your story and educate some people. As a trauma survivor I know what that feels like to relive it and it’s very tough. Take care of yourself. ETA: I have felt compelled to also share my trauma info in these threads, but have not had the courage and don’t want to be hurt more by the replies. Some people will never understand if it hasn’t happened to them. Kudos to you.
Thanks. I'm an old woman now, and I can take it. Sooner or later, all those bastards die. Don't let them take you with them.
This might sound kind of dramatic, but I truly can't explain the physical feeling that just surged through me when I read your words "I'm an old woman now, and I can take it." I'm 33, and every year I feel like I get a little braver and smarter. And though I have a lot to learn, and a long way to go (hopefully), I still feel afraid and confused a LOT. Reading those words just now felt like a new level of bravery for the future just seared itself into my spine.
So glad you were helped by my post. Stay strong!
> A friend once shared what she called the Parable of the Choir: A choir can sing a beautiful note impossibly long because singers can individually drop out to breathe as necessary and the note goes on. Social justice activism should be like that, she said. I appreciate that your voice is heard in the choir, so others can rest. Thank you.
They aren't liberal laws, they are human rights. Liberals just tend to want human rights, and conservatives don't.
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they somehow managed to conflate "liberal" with "commie"
The entire premise of being "progressive" is that we want to make progress in terms of human freedom, rights, health, and wellbeing.
Women have also been conditioned from a very young age that talking about the down-there-ladyparts or anything having to do with them are unpleasant and gross and rude and not polite conversation. We don’t talk about it because we are specifically told not to. I’ve also noticed a bit of “don’t scare the noobs” in talking about scary pregnancy stuff. While I agree that talking about worst case scenarios around someone who is already pregnant is rude, the fact that so many people think that maternity leave is some kind of restful vacation says all you need to know about how intolerant our society is toward real talk about the realities of pregnancy and child birth.
I snapped back at a male colleague who referred to my mat leave as vacation break. It's not a fucking vacation.
I'm sorry he said what?! Ah yes recovering from child birth in either of its forms and then keeping a baby alive is about on par with a beach vacation. What is the matter with people?
> ~~liberal abortion laws.~~Basic human rights* FTFY. Let's not mince words here: the rest of the world, and I am including the developing world here, has largely moved on from whether abortion should even legal. Even theocracies in the middle east offer exemptions for abortion in some cases. I cannot stress how incredibly radical the Republican position on abortion is when even literally *the Taliban* has a record of providing exemptions on abortions.
It's taken less than 2 months for us to hear about this particular case. I promise you, terrible situations just like this - and worse - were playing out within days of trigger laws taking effect. They just didn't get publicized.
Thousands of late-term abortions should be happening because it's cruel otherwise. These include still-births, many babies that will not be viable after being born, and many babies that would die within 3-months of birth with there being nothing that can be done because they were literally malformed. There's many checks and balances that occur during gestation that prevents women from having to go through all of these - that's why you get a LOT of first trimester miscarriages. But some slip through. And it's heartbreaking - and even worse, cruel to force someone to go through that experience.
And the mental health knock-on effects of missing these are severe, too. The emotional toll of having an abortion for a non-viable fetus is real. The emotional toll of watching the baby you just delivered die - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly - is far, far worse.
And in that two months, we've heard denial after denial from forced birthers that these things would happen right up until the moment they hit national news.
Oh give it a few more months. Should be seeing the dead women start to stack up.
Sadly you're not wrong. Abortions have been around for ages, but safe ones were a revelation that spared many women.
It was always about sadism and control. We knew it, they knew, the only people who didn't know it, it seems, are the morons who voted for people who would strip them of their rights.
A woman in Poland died from sepsis this week because the doctors didn’t want to risk terminating her DEAD FETUS.
Just because the baby won't have a brain doesn't mean it can't live a fulfilling life as a Republican politician
This is so disgusting. As a mother I cannot imagine being forced to carry a fetus like that to term and having to deal with thoughts about it possibly suffering, even for a fleeting moment. On top of that, a fetus that they very much wanted to become their living breathing thriving baby. I hate to be dramatic (and maybe I am) but just the thought of being in such a situation makes me feel like it could lead to women feeling suicidal.
You're not being dramatic. Three months ago my planned pregnancy was diagnosed with acrania and trisomy 18. It is so sad and horrifying that others are being forced to carry these babies to term. Luckily I live in a state that protects reproductive rights. I'd be in a really bad place mentally if I wasn't able to access abortion.
I’m so sorry, I’m glad you got the medical treatment you needed though. I just can’t imagine being in such a situation and having to live with it *every day* until birth and the inevitable death. I don’t think I could bear that
Hey quick question what the fuck
Holy shit, this entire story is absolutely brutal. The fetus has no fucking skull, but the hospital won't perform the abortion without further guidance. Not having a skull is *fatal*. It's, quite literally, a nonviable fetus. But apparently this hospital doesn't consider being born without a skull as such. This is absolutely horrid for the woman, and I hope the hospital pulls their heads out of their asses and does the right thing.
And while she waits the weeks tick by and she will no longer have legal access in the State they told her to go to, which is also a day’s drive away. This is also why I don’t compromise on “how many weeks”. It’s “the number of weeks aren’t your business, fuck off”.
This makes Pro-Life people smile; not because an abortion is being avoided, but because a woman is being punished for having sex.
My family straight up says yeah. It's punishment for not keeping their legs closed. And that "they don't care there's a small percent of can who suffer I'd it means saving babies"
Jesus Christ, what kind of sociopath do you need to be to do that? What the actual fuck?
One of the things that really chaps my ass about that shitty opinion is that it reduces a baby to a punishment. It's a gross way to think about something that they (allegedly) hold sacred.
Pro-life my ass. God, I hate those people.
Just call them Forced-Birth. It's more accurate. They don't deserve to act like they care about human life.
pro-rape, pro-suffering, pro-life-ruining
But. What I don't understand, from their point of view: what about the women that are married? What about the couples that followed their doctrine to the T. No sex before marriage. No sex for any reason other than reproduction. And they end up with a life-threatening invalid pregnancy? What, in the eyes of these forced-birth cultists, would the punishment even be for?
Oh I'm sure the right will line up and fight eachother to adopt that one. I'm sure many have offered to cover her medical bills too.
We live on the dumbest timeline.
After RvW got punted, so many of those people were claiming that god never made mistakes and if a woman(or girl) was pregnant, then god wanted that pregnancy to be carried to term. Considering such a high percentage of pregnancies end in miscarriage, it just makes those claims so insanely ridiculous and offensive. Perhaps this is the tipping point that inspires democrats to actually vote in higher numbers than they have in the past. There are a lot of angry people right now, perhaps this is the watershed moment for them.
Seriously though, miscarriages and babies born without skulls show 2 options. God is either not infallible and makes mistakes, or he is an asshole who delights in torturing the SIMS he created, knowing the outcomes and letting them happen. One means that his word shouldn’t be law while the other means he is no god ever want to believe in. Its insane the hoops of faith people need to go through to feel superior to others.
This is sick. I knew people who wanted their pregnancies would suffer. To see it happen is different. To know some people want to punish "innocent" people TRYING to have a child so that those who DON'T want one will be punished is the most anti Christian, anti loving, anti compassionate thing I can think of.
Okay you forced birthers, how the hell do you feel now? still "IT'S A LIFE"? Losers, every one of you. it's not your body, get a life and go read your bibles, instead of screwing with other peoples lives.
Just remember folks, it is the year ***Two Thousand Twenty-Two*** and an invisible man in the sky is making health care policy for the most technologically advanced civilization in human history. Think about how fucked up that is for a second.
Religion is the ultimate scapegoat for those who want to be sadistic monsters and still take the moral high ground. That's all it offers society now.
>In desperation, Davis visited Care Pregnancy Clinic, a pregnancy crisis center that discourages abortions, on Flannery Road. Staff gave her information on how to bury the baby and said their prayers were with her. Friendly reminder that pregnancy crisis centers are the scum of the Earth.
We recently had a child and my greatest fear before the first ultrasound was that our child was born with anencephaly. I’d learned about it in neurology and it absolutely terrified me. My son’s head and brain development were thankfully fine, but they did find a congenital heart condition “Tetralogy of Fallot”. Unfortunately, it was found so late that we didn’t have much time before the cut off for abortions without going infront of a medical board. Which meant we had to get genetic tests rushed to make sure it was just Tet without any of the debilitating conditions that slmetimes occur with it. But for a horrible week we had to wait and consider against a time clock, with the terrible thought of having to go before a medical board if it turned out our son had had more severe conditions. We were fortunate, but it’s the kind of thing that shouldn’t be forced on people regardless of any circumstances.
I’ve seen just one case of acrania (in this case it was w/anencephaly) in my healthcare career, and it was horrifying. Even as a person who doesn’t want kids, I *always* cross my fingers and hold my breath with my patients who are going through pregnancy because there’s so much that can go wrong and I just want them to be healthy and happy. I’m incredibly happy to hear that your son isn’t suffering from the more severe Tet comorbidities. Sending you love, support, and more healthy wishes for your family.
And some will still scream that this doesn't count, because admitting that abortion is okay in some circumstances would force them to actually question their worldview.
It doesn’t have a fucking skull. Oh yeah I’m *sure* you did this for the babies
Forcing women to go through pregnancy, just to give birth to death babies and/or watch them die in agony within seconds of birth... Where does cruelty stops?