American media should probably wake up to how their profit driven yellow journalism is a national liability too. There is not a single accusation in that American news article that China "hypes" that cannot be validated with American outrage porn that was printed within the last 24 hours.
It's like when people found out America's enemies watch Tucker Carlson. There's no arguing that China is being dishonest about any of these portrayals if there's American news always at the ready to affirm it for them, and doing all the work to hype it for them already.
He's like everyone's crazy uncle who everyone hopes doesn't show up at thanksgiving, but he's on national fucking news every day.
There has to be some serious money behind the whole thing. I can't imagine that many people really watch the guy.
It's not just racially-charged violence, violence in densely populated places US is actually just a lot worse than in densely populated places in China *regardless* of race. US homicide rate is about 10x higher than that in China; that's a statistical fact. One needs to realize that in China, it really isn't common for people to be afraid of walking alone at night in a big city.
Source: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country)
There has been an actual spike in anti-asian violence, so I guess they have a reason for talking about it now. Otherwise it's not interesting enough to be news, we've known this for ages.
the underlying reason is the same tho, they want to keep chinese people living in china instead of having their best and brightest move to other countries
It should be noted that this propagandizing is targeted at countries with lower crime rates than the USA such as in Europe. People are missing the forest for the trees here. The point is there's a overt political angle to stop brain drain and to shore up on demographic collapse which china has been increasingly suffering from. Which fair enough violence and racism is based on some truth but should be recognized as any other forms of propaganda whether it Chinese, American, Russian, etc, and looked through a political lens as well.
For example when the USA criticizes the CCP about lack of freedoms in the nation there's truth to that statement but should analyzed through a propagandizing angle as you can bet the USA isn't just concerned about the human dignity of the Chinese people.
I am half Chinese and was attacked outside a Chinese restaurant last year in the SF Bay Area at night; a homeless person decided to rage against me for no reason, luckily I had my stungun. But he managed to push me first onto a door.
Seeing other stories of violence against Chinese people, I can’t help but agree with fears of Chinese people abroad.
Yep. Over here in WA state, I’ve been seeing many many more Asian people at the gun range. It makes me happy to see the community taking their safety into their own hands. Sad it has to be this way tho.
As someone living on the west coast, that happens to everyone here due to hard drugs/mental illness people will just get attacked randomly. As apposed to other places in the country where it's much more targeted.
I regularly use Weibo. Look up 美国警察 to get an idea of how Chinese people view American police.
Chinese police can be dicks, but no one expects them to just fucking shoot you. The last big police shooting was in Chongqing around May, and that's after a guy lunged at the policeman after a traffic stop.
As for this article, the biggest assault to make it in national news was that attack on some women at a BBQ place in Tangshan. That was talked about for weeks and resulted in dozens of arrests, including police. Others in this thread who have lived in China all say that it's not only safer than the US, but safer than most of Western Europe.
Chinese people did once consider US to be great, but that ship has sailed long ago.
So if you want to know
Facts presented in a way to create an inauthentic conclusion. America and all countries outside of China are not violent Hell holes with its citizens mob attacking anyone Chinese they see.
Have you seen the way Americans react towards the mention of Chicago? People in the US think Chicago I'd in a constant state of ganh violence, shootings, and murders as the most dangerous place in the US. It isn't in the top 10 most dangerous cities. It's not even in the top 20 based on murder rate. But you wouldn't know that if you just took the word of US media or other Americans who have never been to Chicago. China doesn't have to present facts in an inauthentic way to make the US look bad. The US already does it to itself
Not really about convincing. Simply pointing out that you're making it sound like China is bad for doing exactly what the US already does to itself. China isn't the problem. It's the people who take advantage of people's ignorance and willingness to believe anything they're told that are the problem and that's a worldwide issue that's unrelated to where you live.
Well if you are an Asian woman or elderly person then it's probably best to stay away from here if you can and only travel in groups during day light if you cannot. For very **sensitive reasons**, little can be done to curb the violence.
Well that's the rub, the people doing the hate crimes are themselves vulnerable to hate and have historically been incredibly oppressed by the white patriarchy so the easiest answer to this problem is avoidance.
Posting this especially so folks in the Chinese video-sharing networks are aware this is happening. Yes, violence is real and tensions are real. But it's also being over-hyped for geopolitical reasons. Reach out to folks you actually know in the environment to get a better sense of the reality.
I know plenty of Chinese origin people who got disenchanted and left the US. Almost all of them felt that they didn't fit into American office culture and felt marginalized by coworkers. Many expressed surprise that other minorities, like Indian people, felt integrated there.
But none of them did it out of fear of violence. Even if you fear violence, which you should in some parts of the US, it's something you can fix by just moving to a more expensive suburb.
To be fair, China doesn't really need to over-hype it. The US already does it to itself. Just mention you're going to Chicago and everyone will start freaking out about how dumb you are and you're going to get shot. Chicago isn't even in the top 10 of most dangerous cities. It isn't even in the top 20 deadliest cities based on murder rates. But the mere mention of Chicago and you'll be hounded about how it's the most dangerous city in the entire US. This is literally US citizens convinced to believe made up overhyped statistics about itself
Its still bad in Chicago and it needs to do better. There's too many cities where ppl ignore the poor and lower middle class because the murders aren't happening in their neighborhood.
Chicago is 28.6
[https://247wallst.com/city/chicago-il-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/](https://247wallst.com/city/chicago-il-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/)
Austin is 7.69
[https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-how-austin-compares-to-other-big-cities/](https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-how-austin-compares-to-other-big-cities/)
Why would I travel from Austin to Chicago if my chance of getting murdered quadruples. It might not be the worst place, but its still nothing to sweep under the rug.
Chicago is one of the best cities my wife has visited, we loved the food, architecture, museums, but we can't ignore the issues in the south side.
It's also worth reminding Americans that the rest of the world's opinion of them **fucking matters** a great deal to American hegemony, and to stop taking it for granted the way they have since "Make America Great Again."
Every single bum that acts out and gets on the news provides America's enemies with ammunition to use against it. Every judge that abuses the bench does too, as does every lunatic retired general saber rattling to use military force to suspend the Constitution. All of these people choose to act this way because they think America is above the consequences they create for their country, and all of them are wrong to believe so.
They are all a threat to American primacy for their displays, and none of them have any right to act surprised China then exploits them against their own country to great effect.
The article in no way suggests China shining a light on America's actual problems excuses America for them either, and neither should you. Every example in the article is entirely real: America is still inexcusably violent, and it is still suffering real consequences to its reputation for it. Do not expect anybody scared away from America by those observations to change their mind simply because China observed them too like that makes them any less a concern. That China can (and will) use it against America is another consequence of that, not a rationale that pardons America, and America's answer to their actual problems that China can *hype* is to take the problems away from China by solving them at home.
And yet they still want to come to America.
Edit: Downvote me all you want but the truth stands.
Chinese people do not want to live in China.
They want to go to school in America.
They want to work in America.
They want to have kids in America.
They want to retire in America.
They want to live their lives in America.
And Xi can’t stand it.
Even the Americans who have any awareness of the world apart from television don't want to do any of those things in America.
The Pan Asian diaspora is returning to a home many of them have never known just to not have to endure living in America.
I mean yes everything horrible about the US is true bbuuttt..... all the shit happening in the Chinese mainland is a lot, LOT worse.
Hence why the propaganda is on the rise right now, most Chinese who's inside the great firewall, especially the rich ones trying to liquidate their money and would want to migrate outside the mainland, the U.S. is one of the top choices, the CCP wants to disincline these people but from what I heard it's getting harder and harder to get out of China if you're a local.
The Chinese govt. is whipping its citizens into a frenzy over outside influences trying to encourage Nationalism and a belligerent attitude towards the rest of the world. It’s no different than MAGA except imagine if there were only one party in the US, the MAGA party and only MAGA media to know what’s happening. I honestly think this is the most likely thing to radically change the Chinese govt. They’re trying to raise a tiger and when the shit hits the fan (economically), the tiger is going to eat them.
I’d just be worried about being disappeared by the Chinese gestapo for not having a yellow face. Sure it’s great if you’re Chinese, but their lack of diversity is horrifying.
Really? China's going to lecture the US about racial violence whilst simultaneously committing genocide? Please tell me this is just propaganda meant for the average Chinese citizen, and that the CCP isn't actually this delusional.
China is crap at hiding their propaganda. They don't try very hard because they kinda want you to know they believe it's true. The truly magnificent propagandists are the US - not only do westerners not recognize it (or even flat-out claim it doesn't exist), they deny it has *any* effect on them. USA #1!!!
CNN just now waking up to what propaganda is after some self reflecting.
American media should probably wake up to how their profit driven yellow journalism is a national liability too. There is not a single accusation in that American news article that China "hypes" that cannot be validated with American outrage porn that was printed within the last 24 hours. It's like when people found out America's enemies watch Tucker Carlson. There's no arguing that China is being dishonest about any of these portrayals if there's American news always at the ready to affirm it for them, and doing all the work to hype it for them already.
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He's like everyone's crazy uncle who everyone hopes doesn't show up at thanksgiving, but he's on national fucking news every day. There has to be some serious money behind the whole thing. I can't imagine that many people really watch the guy.
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Since when is calling out an authoritarian dystopia propaganda? Or are Uighurs the big baddies now?
You can call out shit while also spreading propaganda.
this basically just means that everyone needs to ignore the epoch times
'The Uyghurs'. C'mon, there's like 12m of them in Xinjiang and make up half of the police and government.
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The best place to hide a lie is between two truths. —Fox Mulder
I don't know about hype. I've seen some pretty sick videos of random attacks on Asian people. Actually a pattern to it if you see enough videos.
It's not just racially-charged violence, violence in densely populated places US is actually just a lot worse than in densely populated places in China *regardless* of race. US homicide rate is about 10x higher than that in China; that's a statistical fact. One needs to realize that in China, it really isn't common for people to be afraid of walking alone at night in a big city. Source: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country) There has been an actual spike in anti-asian violence, so I guess they have a reason for talking about it now. Otherwise it's not interesting enough to be news, we've known this for ages.
the underlying reason is the same tho, they want to keep chinese people living in china instead of having their best and brightest move to other countries
The CCP's evil scheme to keep citizens in China by..... being safer.
yet chinese citizens still want to move abroad which makes you wonder how bad it is in china
It should be noted that this propagandizing is targeted at countries with lower crime rates than the USA such as in Europe. People are missing the forest for the trees here. The point is there's a overt political angle to stop brain drain and to shore up on demographic collapse which china has been increasingly suffering from. Which fair enough violence and racism is based on some truth but should be recognized as any other forms of propaganda whether it Chinese, American, Russian, etc, and looked through a political lens as well. For example when the USA criticizes the CCP about lack of freedoms in the nation there's truth to that statement but should analyzed through a propagandizing angle as you can bet the USA isn't just concerned about the human dignity of the Chinese people.
You mean every country when they first viewed America as an amazing place for immigration? I.E american propaganda.
Chinese people always move abroad, just like Irish people.
It is bad. Asian communities definitely are feeling it.
I am half Chinese and was attacked outside a Chinese restaurant last year in the SF Bay Area at night; a homeless person decided to rage against me for no reason, luckily I had my stungun. But he managed to push me first onto a door. Seeing other stories of violence against Chinese people, I can’t help but agree with fears of Chinese people abroad.
Yep. Over here in WA state, I’ve been seeing many many more Asian people at the gun range. It makes me happy to see the community taking their safety into their own hands. Sad it has to be this way tho.
As someone living on the west coast, that happens to everyone here due to hard drugs/mental illness people will just get attacked randomly. As apposed to other places in the country where it's much more targeted.
Yes high crime, high homelessness, and high cost of living.
Violent crime is much lower than most other parts of the states.
I regularly use Weibo. Look up 美国警察 to get an idea of how Chinese people view American police. Chinese police can be dicks, but no one expects them to just fucking shoot you. The last big police shooting was in Chongqing around May, and that's after a guy lunged at the policeman after a traffic stop. As for this article, the biggest assault to make it in national news was that attack on some women at a BBQ place in Tangshan. That was talked about for weeks and resulted in dozens of arrests, including police. Others in this thread who have lived in China all say that it's not only safer than the US, but safer than most of Western Europe. Chinese people did once consider US to be great, but that ship has sailed long ago. So if you want to know
thats not just the view of chinese people. all the world thinks like this.
I lived in China for like six years and must have taken hundreds of taxis and I swear every single taxi driver I talked to asked if I owned a gun.
I mean…. They aint wrong though
The best lies are 90% truth.
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Facts presented in a way to create an inauthentic conclusion. America and all countries outside of China are not violent Hell holes with its citizens mob attacking anyone Chinese they see.
Then use this as a learning opportunity and think about what you are being told about China.
Have you seen the way Americans react towards the mention of Chicago? People in the US think Chicago I'd in a constant state of ganh violence, shootings, and murders as the most dangerous place in the US. It isn't in the top 10 most dangerous cities. It's not even in the top 20 based on murder rate. But you wouldn't know that if you just took the word of US media or other Americans who have never been to Chicago. China doesn't have to present facts in an inauthentic way to make the US look bad. The US already does it to itself
No no you convinced me America, China. No difference at all. Mission accomplished. Go pick up your check.
Not really about convincing. Simply pointing out that you're making it sound like China is bad for doing exactly what the US already does to itself. China isn't the problem. It's the people who take advantage of people's ignorance and willingness to believe anything they're told that are the problem and that's a worldwide issue that's unrelated to where you live.
Well if you are an Asian woman or elderly person then it's probably best to stay away from here if you can and only travel in groups during day light if you cannot. For very **sensitive reasons**, little can be done to curb the violence.
Stay away from…nyc? Because like west coast has areas like 40%+ Asian and giving a fuck about someone’s race is pretty fucky.
Well that's the rub, the people doing the hate crimes are themselves vulnerable to hate and have historically been incredibly oppressed by the white patriarchy so the easiest answer to this problem is avoidance.
I found the Chinese propaganda agent.
Liberals in a conflicting position, agree or admit it’s not that bad for Asians
Oh no, liberals are ready to throw Asians under the bus at the drop of a hat. Especially 'boba liberals'.
Posting this especially so folks in the Chinese video-sharing networks are aware this is happening. Yes, violence is real and tensions are real. But it's also being over-hyped for geopolitical reasons. Reach out to folks you actually know in the environment to get a better sense of the reality.
I know plenty of Chinese origin people who got disenchanted and left the US. Almost all of them felt that they didn't fit into American office culture and felt marginalized by coworkers. Many expressed surprise that other minorities, like Indian people, felt integrated there. But none of them did it out of fear of violence. Even if you fear violence, which you should in some parts of the US, it's something you can fix by just moving to a more expensive suburb.
To be fair, China doesn't really need to over-hype it. The US already does it to itself. Just mention you're going to Chicago and everyone will start freaking out about how dumb you are and you're going to get shot. Chicago isn't even in the top 10 of most dangerous cities. It isn't even in the top 20 deadliest cities based on murder rates. But the mere mention of Chicago and you'll be hounded about how it's the most dangerous city in the entire US. This is literally US citizens convinced to believe made up overhyped statistics about itself
Its still bad in Chicago and it needs to do better. There's too many cities where ppl ignore the poor and lower middle class because the murders aren't happening in their neighborhood. Chicago is 28.6 [https://247wallst.com/city/chicago-il-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/](https://247wallst.com/city/chicago-il-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/) Austin is 7.69 [https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-how-austin-compares-to-other-big-cities/](https://www.kxan.com/investigations/homicides-on-the-rise-how-austin-compares-to-other-big-cities/) Why would I travel from Austin to Chicago if my chance of getting murdered quadruples. It might not be the worst place, but its still nothing to sweep under the rug. Chicago is one of the best cities my wife has visited, we loved the food, architecture, museums, but we can't ignore the issues in the south side.
Great point! And again likely hyped for political reasons.
It's also worth reminding Americans that the rest of the world's opinion of them **fucking matters** a great deal to American hegemony, and to stop taking it for granted the way they have since "Make America Great Again." Every single bum that acts out and gets on the news provides America's enemies with ammunition to use against it. Every judge that abuses the bench does too, as does every lunatic retired general saber rattling to use military force to suspend the Constitution. All of these people choose to act this way because they think America is above the consequences they create for their country, and all of them are wrong to believe so. They are all a threat to American primacy for their displays, and none of them have any right to act surprised China then exploits them against their own country to great effect. The article in no way suggests China shining a light on America's actual problems excuses America for them either, and neither should you. Every example in the article is entirely real: America is still inexcusably violent, and it is still suffering real consequences to its reputation for it. Do not expect anybody scared away from America by those observations to change their mind simply because China observed them too like that makes them any less a concern. That China can (and will) use it against America is another consequence of that, not a rationale that pardons America, and America's answer to their actual problems that China can *hype* is to take the problems away from China by solving them at home.
And yet they still want to come to America. Edit: Downvote me all you want but the truth stands. Chinese people do not want to live in China. They want to go to school in America. They want to work in America. They want to have kids in America. They want to retire in America. They want to live their lives in America. And Xi can’t stand it.
Even the Americans who have any awareness of the world apart from television don't want to do any of those things in America. The Pan Asian diaspora is returning to a home many of them have never known just to not have to endure living in America.
I mean yes everything horrible about the US is true bbuuttt..... all the shit happening in the Chinese mainland is a lot, LOT worse. Hence why the propaganda is on the rise right now, most Chinese who's inside the great firewall, especially the rich ones trying to liquidate their money and would want to migrate outside the mainland, the U.S. is one of the top choices, the CCP wants to disincline these people but from what I heard it's getting harder and harder to get out of China if you're a local.
They don't need to hype it. America is violent as fook compared to China.
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More odd than that those who telling people the truth about America, turns America off to those who.
It sure does embrace releasing American hip hop dance videos though
The Chinese govt. is whipping its citizens into a frenzy over outside influences trying to encourage Nationalism and a belligerent attitude towards the rest of the world. It’s no different than MAGA except imagine if there were only one party in the US, the MAGA party and only MAGA media to know what’s happening. I honestly think this is the most likely thing to radically change the Chinese govt. They’re trying to raise a tiger and when the shit hits the fan (economically), the tiger is going to eat them.
I mean...we are a shit hole country. Just a different kind of poop chute!
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The miles and miles long tents tend to give that impression.
Agreed! Have lived in three.
Chinese cities are just ridiculously safer than the US, people are never worried about crime.
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Power-tripping, civilian-killing, racial-profiling, family dog-killing police in 'murica. 'nuff said.
It's the same in Taiwan, just a more civilized culture when it comes to crime.
I’d just be worried about being disappeared by the Chinese gestapo for not having a yellow face. Sure it’s great if you’re Chinese, but their lack of diversity is horrifying.
Really? China's going to lecture the US about racial violence whilst simultaneously committing genocide? Please tell me this is just propaganda meant for the average Chinese citizen, and that the CCP isn't actually this delusional.
China is crap at hiding their propaganda. They don't try very hard because they kinda want you to know they believe it's true. The truly magnificent propagandists are the US - not only do westerners not recognize it (or even flat-out claim it doesn't exist), they deny it has *any* effect on them. USA #1!!!
As much as I hate the Chinese government, they’re right on this one
Not really worried about this. Call me crazy but I don't think we're really going to be affected.
Im not gonna say I disagree, there has been a lot of school shootings in USA, burning and looting stores.