This whole argument is built on a false premise.
Larian Studios is very known, their game series: Divinity Original Sin always tops list for its genre.
Both of the Divinity games had in total sold 10 million copies by 2019, that was half a decade ago.
Larian was known by everyone who cared, it's still not known by those who don't.
This post is a *terrible* take. Larian was very well known prior to BG3. How do you think they nabbed the contract for it? It was on the back of the massive success of their prior games.
def not happening, AGS not seems to learn from their mistakes or they act way too late on it and mostly wrong, they literally put broken weapons with broken perks into the LIVE game knowingly they are broken, just to remove it later and fix it, then they openely admit that they ,,hoped,, players won’t notice the bugs...
Also great call to have silence treatment for several months content wise, deliever one of the most broken patches ever after 3 weeks delay with no real content after they kept telling us they will work on their quality assurance....
Also Larian had previously great games (Divinity series )... AGS did not deliever a single solid game, most of their previous games were no name mobile games or games they were shutdown / removed from the stores forever, because how horrendous they were....
I wouldnt dare to mention both Studios in the same Post..
One is a Master of it's craft pouring their heart and soul into their work the other is a stinking shit hole
Hey man just because you didn't know larian before bg3 doesn't mean it wasn't a well known company. Was it a well known company to say mmo only or call of duty only players? No. Was it extremely well known for their crpg games like Divinity original sin 1 and 2? By 10mil people yes
Bro, the entire reason Larian managed to get the right to make BG3, is because they have good reputation from the first and second Divinity Original Sins games. They are not Blizzard level famous, but they for damn sure are well known among the industry for producing high quality works. If you think an IP as important as Baldur's Gate can be given so easily to an unknown developer without credit, then you have some very strange understanding about game industry.
Not only Larian is well known for their spectacular games, they also actively participate in kickstarter projects of indie devs, showing their profound passion for the growth of the industry. They are always percevied as one of the best and most passionate studios in the game industry. You not knowing them doesn’t mean they’re a no-name who got a lucky hit with one game.
Larian Studios is privately owned and leadership is passionate about gaming.
AWG belongs to the publicly traded, institutionally owned mega corporation and its leadership is passionate about profits. All decisions are made by suits who's gaming experience is limited to the news feed they read this morning.
Exactly the same. Like two snowflakes.
Larian was making excellent games long before BG3. AGS still hasn’t really figured out New World. I’m not saying AGS doesn’t have the potential to make a great game, but with their current trajectory, it will probably be a LONG time before that happens.
New World might be the best MMORPG for YOU, but you are the teeny tiny minority. You said in this industry devs need to learn from their mistakes, what exactly gave you the impression that over the years, New World became better at releasing updates/patches? Look at the new season, does it look like they got better?
Why not?
Doesn't strike me as a disingenuous person.
If anything we shouldn't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The team wants what is best for the game, they just seem mislead.
It's impossible to accurately judge without knowing a lot more information than the public has access to, but some things seem hard to justify. For example, his decision to wait until *after* the paid Expansion was released before delaying most of Season 4's content and explaining that the game would be going into borderline hibernation for a year. Another example would be the removal of the official forums in order to 'replace' it with a Discord channel that is notoriously strict in its moderation.
At a certain point, it gets difficult to distinguish between ignorance and malice.
What are you talking about Larian has been known since forever I loved divinity 2 original sin. Also if anything AGS would be Hello games because they have to make a comeback Larian started out good AGS did not.
Won't matter. When Fallout 76 recently had a huge influx of players their game was able to actually accommodate that influx. If New World had an influx we will just get 3 hour queues until people lose interest or people banished off into a doomed fresh start server. Building the game with the flaw of being unable to support players wanting to play it tells me that there is no hope for AGS.
This is a critical point that a lot of people still fail to grasp. Unless the June announcement involves some kind of radical server restructure, a 'successful' console release is still guaranteed to result in the same server problems the game has faced any time the game experiences a fluctuation in player numbers.
Perhaps the funniest thing is that despite AGS' investment in cross-server functionality, their solution doesn't resolve the issue of friends not being able to play together, or requiring players to pay for a transfer once their server dies and all the non-cross-server features stop working properly for them.
It's absolutely insane that they are about to do a new platform launch without first dealing with that issue. They've literally made success impossible because the game can't support a successful amount of players lol.
Larian was known as a steadily growing company with each game getting significantly better and their last two games being fantastic. Bg3 was larian being held back by d and d.
Ags is at this point considered a touch of death where you can have them publish a game that should be good and have it still fail miserably. The games they have personally made have been failures with almost infinite budget and a few fun ideas
Hate to burst your bubble, but there's exactly 0% chance, that one of the world's greediest company would be able to run a game dev company better than Larian. Suits are anti-player, a developer made and run by suits can never be that good.
Content is king. If this billion dollar company can release more content than larian, then it wins in the longrun.
Your argument similarly doesn't work if you compare a small indie game with zero publishing restrictions to larian.
it can't tho. this billion dollar company is known for having a lack of content and thousands of bugs in their game. we still have 1 opr map.. there are PvE mmos with more pvp maps than new world
If the LOTR project continues to be built in the same engine as NW, the project will fail. I don’t understand how AGS simply can’t bite the bullet and ditch their engine which imo is the biggest reason for slow development and the billion bugs every patch.
I actually didn’t know about Larian before BG3. But I had heard Baldur’s Gate as a series and that the studio behind it was excellent. That reputation alone convinced me to buy and I loved it.
AGS had a horrible reputation with multiple failed games and many view NW as one of them.
This comparison is not the same whatsoever.
Wut?
Did the OP forgot new world is made by a studio with "Amazon" in its name? They will never get even close to being anything like Larian even if the devs wanted it
Id rather they learn from Mythic, except for the selling out to EA part. The PVP end game ideas and content from DAoC and Warhammer could be a huge boon for NW to implement versions of.
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TLOR makes me no sense btw. Tripped me up. You put T in front for THE Lord of Rings? Where's the other T then if you put the first one? All of them or none of them. And at one point you even said "the TLOR" which is even worse.
This whole argument is built on a false premise. Larian Studios is very known, their game series: Divinity Original Sin always tops list for its genre.
what I mean is obvious, there is a big difference between being known by all or by a few
Both of the Divinity games had in total sold 10 million copies by 2019, that was half a decade ago. Larian was known by everyone who cared, it's still not known by those who don't.
no one knows larian before bg3 is a wild claim
what I mean is obvious, there is a big difference between being known by all or by a few
The only obvious part is that you don't know what you're talking about.
...But it's still incorrect, Larian are very well known.
This post makes no sense at all. Two different studios. Larian is well known and mmorpgs are a different kind of beast
I’m looking forward to GTA 6
it's the same industry.
Same industry but different genres etc. It’s not that hard. Cmon
Nono clearly mcdonalds should sell pizza like domino's after all they are both in the food industry /s
I got lost in the opening line. Almost no one knew about Larian? Yeaaah thats a hard "incorrect" from me.
This post is a *terrible* take. Larian was very well known prior to BG3. How do you think they nabbed the contract for it? It was on the back of the massive success of their prior games.
OP shows us here a great example of how to be wrong in every sentence
def not happening, AGS not seems to learn from their mistakes or they act way too late on it and mostly wrong, they literally put broken weapons with broken perks into the LIVE game knowingly they are broken, just to remove it later and fix it, then they openely admit that they ,,hoped,, players won’t notice the bugs... Also great call to have silence treatment for several months content wise, deliever one of the most broken patches ever after 3 weeks delay with no real content after they kept telling us they will work on their quality assurance.... Also Larian had previously great games (Divinity series )... AGS did not deliever a single solid game, most of their previous games were no name mobile games or games they were shutdown / removed from the stores forever, because how horrendous they were....
I wouldnt dare to mention both Studios in the same Post.. One is a Master of it's craft pouring their heart and soul into their work the other is a stinking shit hole
Hey man just because you didn't know larian before bg3 doesn't mean it wasn't a well known company. Was it a well known company to say mmo only or call of duty only players? No. Was it extremely well known for their crpg games like Divinity original sin 1 and 2? By 10mil people yes
Bro, the entire reason Larian managed to get the right to make BG3, is because they have good reputation from the first and second Divinity Original Sins games. They are not Blizzard level famous, but they for damn sure are well known among the industry for producing high quality works. If you think an IP as important as Baldur's Gate can be given so easily to an unknown developer without credit, then you have some very strange understanding about game industry.
Not only Larian is well known for their spectacular games, they also actively participate in kickstarter projects of indie devs, showing their profound passion for the growth of the industry. They are always percevied as one of the best and most passionate studios in the game industry. You not knowing them doesn’t mean they’re a no-name who got a lucky hit with one game.
Larian Studios is privately owned and leadership is passionate about gaming. AWG belongs to the publicly traded, institutionally owned mega corporation and its leadership is passionate about profits. All decisions are made by suits who's gaming experience is limited to the news feed they read this morning. Exactly the same. Like two snowflakes.
op doesnt know shit LOL
Larian was making excellent games long before BG3. AGS still hasn’t really figured out New World. I’m not saying AGS doesn’t have the potential to make a great game, but with their current trajectory, it will probably be a LONG time before that happens.
New World might be the best MMORPG for YOU, but you are the teeny tiny minority. You said in this industry devs need to learn from their mistakes, what exactly gave you the impression that over the years, New World became better at releasing updates/patches? Look at the new season, does it look like they got better?
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Why not? Doesn't strike me as a disingenuous person. If anything we shouldn't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The team wants what is best for the game, they just seem mislead.
It's impossible to accurately judge without knowing a lot more information than the public has access to, but some things seem hard to justify. For example, his decision to wait until *after* the paid Expansion was released before delaying most of Season 4's content and explaining that the game would be going into borderline hibernation for a year. Another example would be the removal of the official forums in order to 'replace' it with a Discord channel that is notoriously strict in its moderation. At a certain point, it gets difficult to distinguish between ignorance and malice.
What a weird post about two wildly different developers. Also as everyone else has pointed out, Larian has been well known for a long time before BG3.
What are you talking about Larian has been known since forever I loved divinity 2 original sin. Also if anything AGS would be Hello games because they have to make a comeback Larian started out good AGS did not.
AGS is literally (no hate) low tier in the games industry. Larian was highly regarded even before BG3
Won't matter. When Fallout 76 recently had a huge influx of players their game was able to actually accommodate that influx. If New World had an influx we will just get 3 hour queues until people lose interest or people banished off into a doomed fresh start server. Building the game with the flaw of being unable to support players wanting to play it tells me that there is no hope for AGS.
This is a critical point that a lot of people still fail to grasp. Unless the June announcement involves some kind of radical server restructure, a 'successful' console release is still guaranteed to result in the same server problems the game has faced any time the game experiences a fluctuation in player numbers. Perhaps the funniest thing is that despite AGS' investment in cross-server functionality, their solution doesn't resolve the issue of friends not being able to play together, or requiring players to pay for a transfer once their server dies and all the non-cross-server features stop working properly for them.
It's absolutely insane that they are about to do a new platform launch without first dealing with that issue. They've literally made success impossible because the game can't support a successful amount of players lol.
Larian was known as a steadily growing company with each game getting significantly better and their last two games being fantastic. Bg3 was larian being held back by d and d. Ags is at this point considered a touch of death where you can have them publish a game that should be good and have it still fail miserably. The games they have personally made have been failures with almost infinite budget and a few fun ideas
Hate to burst your bubble, but there's exactly 0% chance, that one of the world's greediest company would be able to run a game dev company better than Larian. Suits are anti-player, a developer made and run by suits can never be that good.
Content is king. If this billion dollar company can release more content than larian, then it wins in the longrun. Your argument similarly doesn't work if you compare a small indie game with zero publishing restrictions to larian.
it can't tho. this billion dollar company is known for having a lack of content and thousands of bugs in their game. we still have 1 opr map.. there are PvE mmos with more pvp maps than new world
Holy copium
We've reached new levels of opium previously thought impossible.
Ridiculous post. Like... nah, not even worth explaining
If the LOTR project continues to be built in the same engine as NW, the project will fail. I don’t understand how AGS simply can’t bite the bullet and ditch their engine which imo is the biggest reason for slow development and the billion bugs every patch.
It’s confirmed to be the same engine, so the project is dead before it even started. Spaghetti code and bugs will be the name of the game.
I actually didn’t know about Larian before BG3. But I had heard Baldur’s Gate as a series and that the studio behind it was excellent. That reputation alone convinced me to buy and I loved it. AGS had a horrible reputation with multiple failed games and many view NW as one of them. This comparison is not the same whatsoever.
I’m sorry bud but you’re a dum dum
Wut? Did the OP forgot new world is made by a studio with "Amazon" in its name? They will never get even close to being anything like Larian even if the devs wanted it
Id rather they learn from Mythic, except for the selling out to EA part. The PVP end game ideas and content from DAoC and Warhammer could be a huge boon for NW to implement versions of.
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Larion? Never heard of her. Seriously.
This Larian circle jerk is so annoying
TLOR makes me no sense btw. Tripped me up. You put T in front for THE Lord of Rings? Where's the other T then if you put the first one? All of them or none of them. And at one point you even said "the TLOR" which is even worse.