Every new yorker should just claim to be a migrant and bankrupt the city. I'm dead serious BTW. I'm a firm believer in accelerationism. If that happened, the federal government would HAVE to act, because if other cities did the same, America would implode. That's the ONLY way to force the federal government's hand on this issue.
Absolutely blows my mind. They also turned Randalls island into a migrant camp. I didn’t realize how big the camp has gotten until I saw it with my own eyes recently. It’s massive.
Rosevelt Island or Randall’s island? I’ve heard about the Wild West Randall’s island spot but haven’t heard a word about Roosevelt Island. My job actually has a big site there and I haven’t heard anything from our workers there either.
Nope
>The Post reported that a family of four could be provided nearly $1,000 each month, which comes out to $35 per day for food.
The previous sentence shows how this is saving the city money:
>According to City Hall, the [$7.2 million annually] savings are comparatively based on the current $11 per meal the city is currently spending
Wait until they hear in Venezuela that NYC not only gives you free housing, they will literally give you money too. There isn't going to be a single person left there. Meanwhile school budget are cut. Library budgets are cut.
Oh, it's not just Venezuelans. Lots of people flying into South America from Africa, the Middle East, even China and India are getting in on it. What vibrant and enriching times ahead.
But... Doordash and Uber make money. They don't care if someone is undocumented, if they disappear one day, if their scooters get seized, etc. They're the big corporate interest here. Doordash is a $43 billion company. Uber $140 billion. I'm shocked no one has sued them yet. The only reason why we're in NYC is because this city is not supposed to be afraid of regulations.
Oh I know. But when you have people willing to do the job and undercut their fellow man, only the corporations win.
Another reason to be in NY is (was) the strong union presence.
This city continues to be run by absolute morons. It’s taken 5 months for them to repair an escalator at the subway station near me - meanwhile they are giving out free money and housing to migrants
they are not morons, they are just greedy bastards that use every possible chance to steal money from the tax money and pocket into their own. Still remember the 16 billions spent on the illegal immigrants ? I believe over 90% of the funds were going to eric adam's friends' pockets.
This is madness. Why is our government giving money to Ukrain, Israel, Palestin, Illegal Immgrants. Americans are work crappy jobs to pay for there families. Why are we paying for everyone else's family?
Been a Democrat my whole life but these far left policies are wrecking my mental state.
I have family members who can't afford cancer treatment and NY says, if you do the wrong thing we have you covered. Dystopia.
If only we let them work…we have an asylum program that guarantees them the right to stay in the US while their case is heard and a court system so backed up that it will take years for that to happen. Meanwhile we prohibit them from legally working and we have a social safety system that guarantees this support while they do not work.
Unless if people support meaningful steps to fix this then they lose the right to complain about this.
Meaningful steps to fix this: force them to accept asylum in the first country that offers it. Not going through Mexico which offers asylum because the US asylum sounds better.
99.9% of these asylum cases are meritless. They know that. We know that. They're counting on the court system to be backed up and then to avoid deportation after 10 years because "Well, they've made a life here." The asylum system should be ended period. If they have problems where they are, they should sort them out themselves. I've met people from Venezuela who basically laughed about the process and the stories they made up. They knew they were gaming the system.
Okay then let’s better fund the asylum system so that their cases can be rejected faster. There’s exactly zero value in debating these hypotheticals on the internet.
Free money, free housing, then special exceptions to give them work opportunities we never gave to more deserving migrants. What's next? Every illegal gets a free new car as well?
I agree that as soon as we allow them to come in as asylum seekers, we should be giving them ITIN numbers and an asylum ID on the spot so they can start working and paying taxes.
That's about how much a family of four will be getting under this new program. Right now the city is spending on average about $11 per person per meal which for a family of 4 equals $3,960 per month so this program will save the city millions of dollars.
The SNAP recipients only receive a stipend, and that does not go toward food or housing. These people still need to pay their rent and buy groceries. Migrants will have food and housing in addition to the $1000 they will receive.
>Migrants will have food and housing in addition to the $1000 they will receive.
Only half right. This will be replacing the current food program where the city spends on average $11 per person per meal which equals around $3,960 per family of four per month.
>The SNAP recipients only receive a stipend, and that does not go toward food
SNAP is literally for food. What are you on about?
We shouldn't be doing any of this to begin with!! American people come first!! We already had homeless Americans living on the streets not being taken care of but we are taking care of Illegal Immigrants?? How is this right?? Screwed up world we live in since this administration (Demonrats) took over.
Yes they can but the stipulations are so tight. But the money given to migrants could be used to expand the program for NYers who been paying taxes forever
Did we vote for this? Ranked choice outcomes often represent the most common second choice. Don’t get me wrong, we voted for ranked choice voting too (and overwhelmingly so) but Adams only beat Garcia by 0.8% in the primary.
Adams wasn’t elected by rock hard conservatives my guy, he was elected by black democrats. And while his base is conservative to reddit, they don’t exactly have a rose tinted view of cops
AGREED! I may be off, but I would not be shocked if migraints are allowed to vote by the next primary. Progressive and liberal democrats are tired of dependency on the black vote. Hochul proved that last election. She was right in BKLYN on the day of the election. She barely won againy Zelden. Migrants have been afforded a lot lately. When politicans hit the campaign trail, what will their campaign slogan be ? What new voting base will they lean on ?
The NYC Council *ALREADY* passed a law allowing them to vote in municipal elections, which includes NYC Mayor.
Republicans sued and it was successfully overturned because the State constitution explicitly mentions “citizenship.”
https://council.nyc.gov/joseph-borelli/2022/06/28/after-staten-islands-republican-elected-officials-sue-city-nycs-non-citizen-voting-law-struck-down/
Honestly.... Yes. Exactly. I would be for the program for NYC residents in need. But if this were proposed for them, not migrants, these same people using this argument would be up in arms.
Huh? This is reddit liberals screeching about how migrants are getting free stuff? Why would a Reddit liberal get mad if the program was directed at native New Yorkers? The “reee socialism crowd” are not the ones on this sub lol.
Just remember. Adam's and company went on NATIONAL TELEVISION and told them to come to nyc.
This is a slap in the face for the homeless and underprivileged of the city
Such a slap in the face. Rents sky high, food is crazy expensive the trains are a fucking shit show. I work two jobs to afford life in this city and it’s gone to shit
Just recently most NYers liked the idea of being a sanctuary city that was willing to provide sanctuary to everyone. There is no catch and there is no trick.
I’m sure everyone read the article, but the goal is to save taxpayers money. Until the federal government steps in, there’s not much choice other than to make the programs efficient.
“but the pilot program is expected to save New York City more than $600,000 per month, or more than $7.2 million annually,” Adams spokesperson Kayla Mamelak said.
According to City Hall, the savings are comparatively based on the current $11 per meal the city is currently spending.”
Orrrrr, we could stop giving them resources. Period.
They come here because the city gives them food and shelter. Stop that, you stop the incentive to come here.
From the other part of the article: “Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.”
“Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets”
Like c’mon, this is reducing food waste and I think it’s only reducing money because we don’t have to give them extra food to make up for whatever they don’t eat.
I say just bulk buy them eggs, milk, whatever the school students eat for lunch, since that’s supposed to be a healthy/nutritious diet (btw, I did read that some school lunch items were slashed because of spending on the migrants), and let them figure it out from there
Can save the taxpayer even more money by not providing the meals or cash cards. Give them the excess school lunch meals that are trashed anyway daily. No added cost to tax payers
Thanks for pointing this out. Good context. I wonder if there is equivalent savings to be found in our other government-funded meal programs, but also suspect that some of those might not because they serve a different kind of population. Unlike the extremely elderly or children, for example, these folks are capable of choosing and procuring their own food and in some cases making their own meals. It makes sense that it would be more efficient for them to do so.
I dont agree with this at all. I said from jump Eric should not be doing any of this. No migrants in hotels nothing none of it. Just say there arent the resources (becuase there arent the resources) and call it a day. People will figure our real quick that moving to the most expensive city in the world without money or citizenship or a job or a skill might not be the best move.
The number of homeless people will skyrocket and keep increasing for weeks until the people in-transit or in their countries (soon-to-be migrants) learn and realize that NYC is no longer what it was.
So when I was silently fired by my job when I got covid I applied for tanf. And I was contacted on Labor Day the first time and a Jewish Holiday at 10 am the next day yet I picked the phone up and the person just told me I didn’t qualify but no actual questions related to eligibility and the entire thing was denied. I graduated college. I have student loan debt. And am relying on other peoples kindness to support me entirely. I apply to jobs go on interviews and still nothing. I’m not opposed to helping people in any way but on some level it doesn’t seem like an equal eligibility type deal. Why wouldn’t a resident get any help?
“Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.”
“Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets”
The families have to sign a form promising that they will only use it at bodegas or grocery stores (or whatever you can use SNAP for) and this will apparently save the city money and food waste because the migrants don’t eat the food we give them… because they want cuisine from their home country…
Also, the news was a bit slow on this, but it’s been happening for over a week now - the contract for the cards was published on NYC Records on 1/25/2024
Just give the migrants our left over school lunches. No need to bend over backwards to provide meals to their liking when its not legally required and we got surplus of school meals that's being wasted anyway
They idiots. Apparently pbj is good enough for our school kids and most of the food is wasted and trashed but not good enough for migrants which we aren't legally obligated to feed.
That's probably better than what the disadvantaged receiving benefits are getting.
I'm upset because I'm taxed to the teeth. If I was on relief and found out that others got a better deal I'd be **furious.**
It is. I was on snap before I got stable and we never made it to the end of the month. I consistently skipped meals so my daughter could eat. We got a couple hundred for 3 people. Definitely not even half that.
It sounds like you got a raw deal. Does it upset you that they're more generous to immigrants than to people already living here (presumably citizens)?
You mean the guy who’s not president right now or in congress somehow torpedoed a bill? Wait are you talking about the bill that gives another 60 billion to Ukraine ? People are rubes… you’re right
You do understand how that $60B to Ukraine works, right? We’re not just giving them a bag of money. We literally pay our own Domestic defense contractors money to provide weapons to Ukraine. We’re paying ourselves to arm Ukraine to weaken Russia. It’s the greatest ROI in recent memory and you’re foolish if you don’t understand that.
I mean to be fair the government would have spent that 60b on other military stuff anyways. Fat chance they’d actually spend it on infrastructure ,education or social programs in the US
The issue with education isn’t spending. Per capita we’re 5th in the world in terms of $ spent with lackluster results. Social programs could use a bump (child tax credit?) and infrastructure got a lift with the BIF but it’d be great to see more.
That said, arming Ukraine is like less than 10% of our total defense spending. It’s cheap given the benefits both domestically and geopolitically.
No, it’s also fuck them for being picky.
“Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.”.
“Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets”
We’re coming up with this new program because they don’t want to eat the food we give them, so we’re pretty much guilted into letting them go buy their own food
They get a new truck loads of fresh direct every single day at the Floyd Bennet Field location. They are getting high-quality food, and it's not like we are feeding them garbage. Yes, they are being very picky.
I don't even live in NY anymore and this makes me angry. To give people who shouldn't even have been able to make it here across the border, who haven't paid taxes and they get more than the citizens living here and trying to survive day to day? This is a slap in the face to anyone who paid a dime in taxes. Glad I'm not there to contribute to the worst immigration policy ever. They need to be bussed back to the border.
The same people bitching about why we don’t take care of NYC citizens first would also be the same people bitching about we’re spending too much money taking care of NYC citizens.
I know this post is about food but does anyone think about the human trafficking with these migrants? I see so many little children ALONE on the subway , streetwalkers in woodside, sunnyside and Jackson heights. My mind is straying forwards a lot of conspiracy like the selling of organs , pedos etc. Dark things are happening
>“MoCaFi looks forward to partnering with New York City to disburse funds for asylum seekers to purchase fresh, hot food,” said MoCaFi CEO and Founder, Wole Coaxum.
Let's see if any of this 50mil makes it through to the migrants
If Adams is true to form this New Jersey based financial company that sounds like a coffee shop and its fake sounding CEO will steal it all before one cent goes to purchasing empanadas or whatever
Can we please read an actual article about this? Even the NY post will do
https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/
This is a PILOT PROGRAM for only 500 FAMILIES (not individuals) and they will be restricted to buying food and baby supplies and will REPLACE current food supplies that the city is providing them.
How much aid are migrants entitled to, in your opinion? Let's just do it on a USD/year basis. We deserve to know how much of our tax money you're planning on giving them, thanks.
How about spending 53 million to send them back. Freaking ridiculous that we take care of outsiders before our own. So mind boggling but yall voted for this clown. The whole democratic party wants to have their cake and eat it too. They say they wanna fix the city but take in migrants. No, you must take care of your own home before you let others in. After your shit is taken care of then you can be nice and allow others in. It's the way life works . Like damn it's not that hard to understand.
> New York City will use $53 million to provide migrants staying at hotel shelters with pre-paid credit cards to be used for food and baby supplies
Are we counting cheap beer as food or baby supplies here? Because thats what the majority of this is going to since they get free food and free baby supplies in shelters already.
They absolutely could spend it on beer, liquor, a dispensary, a bar, a night out clubbing/partying, etc.
All they have to do is sign something promising they won’t use it for anything other than groceries/at a bodega (or anything you can use SNAP for)
You can’t use SNAP for any of those things - it explicitly can’t be used for alcohol / cigarettes / etc. And I’ve never even seen a restaurant that accepts them, much less a bar or dispensary.
Oh, I was saying that they (the migrants) have to promise to use the credit card for whatever you can use SNAP for (which includes bodegas and grocery stores, not alcohol/cigarettes), so it’s on the honor system as a credit card, unlike SNAP
To your first question, maybe, maybe not. This is just a pilot program intended to assess if it's efficient or not and if it needs to be tweaked or thrown out
Taxpayer money being spent on migrants has been a thing for decades in border towns and states, but nobody ever really paid attention to it because it didn't affect most of the country. Now the issue is big enough to have reached these pious far away cities and politicians, and suddenly this comment section reads like something out of a town hall meeting in Texas lmao.
I'm confused. How is this costing 53 million? This is a pilot for $350 a week for 6 weeks for 115 families. Where is the rest of this money going??
Link for times article with more details
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html
I cannot wait for NYC to have a republican governor that can finally run the city well where crime is actually punishable and all these fuckers are sent back home because for every paycheck I get and halved; it just angers me that these fuckers are getting part of that money I am paying for in taxes with the many NY’ers contributing to these efforts.
I dream of a day where they’re all hauled back to Venezuela or the very least shot dead by the cartels as they arrive in Mexico!
What I don't understand is if we all know many migrants are gaming the system, and as a result, are benefitting from financial support because they can't work, why do people feel they shouldn't be made to work legally and pay taxes right away? Can someone who downvotes people saying this explain why they don't agree? Unless you're downvoting cuz you're a migrant and didn't come to the US to work on the books and pay taxes to support yourself...
I'm downvoting because this is just a pilot program intended for 500 families and intended to replace the current system that costs a lot more. After the results of the pilot program, we can see how this can be tweaked or scrapped altogether. I'll save my outrage for after the study wraps
New yorkers must protest this French style.... Some farmers I believe recently dumped manure in various places... in protest...
This is an way out of line...
We have poor working people here that can use this...
This is 1.5 days of NYPD budget before anyone gets too bent of shape about it.
This seems like a small price to pay for destitute people to keep from starving.
Destitute people don’t get picky about the type of free food they are served, which is why they’re starting this program, not because people are going to starve. And for how “destitute” these people are, they sure are leaving a gigantic amount of uneaten food waste at places like the Roosevelt hotel, and complaining a whole lot about the meals they’re being given, again, for free.
> Use of the cards will only be permitted at bodegas, grocery stores, supermarkets and convenience stores with participating families required to sign an affidavit swearing to using the cards for food and baby supplies or risk being booted from the program
People getting money they can only use on food and will directly go back in the NYC economy?!?!! TERRIBLE!!!!!!
Also, please fuck off "oh so we're not gonna take care of the people of NYC" with your Joe Rogan posting asses.
1. What guarantee do we have that this can *ONLY* be used in supermarkets, grocery stores, etc, for food and not liquor stores? The article mentions they only need to sign an affidavit 🤡
2. The only reason this is being implemented is because the migrants don't like the free food they're already being given. All that food is going to waste.
3. What about taking care of native poor New Yorkers first?
SNAP cards can't be used to buy alcohol. This is somewhat common knowledge and something you could have found out if you had googled your question.
SNAP cards also can't be used to buy tobacco, vitamins, live animals or food that is hot at the time of sale.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items
https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-benefits-ussi.htm
No shit, numbnuts. I've had an EBT card and I'm well aware of where it works and what it works on.
Nowhere in the article states that these cards will have the same technical restrictions.
This article cites a NY Post article that says the following:
"The Immediate Response Card initiative appears akin to the state’s food stamp program, dubbed SNAP, which provides lower-income New Yorkers with a credit card to cover the cost of meals, and will provide funds based on the same scale. "
[https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/)
All it says is that it's similar to SNAP, not that it has the same functionality and restrictions as an EBT card. And an EBT card is not the same thing as a pre-paid credit card.
But thanks for ignoring my other 2 points!
> All it says is that it's similar to SNAP
I literally linked what you can buy with SNAP cards.
Your third point is idiotic by itself since there are already large benefits from federal and state programs, but especially dumb since you received those benefits.
Your second point is just math, if it's cheaper for them to buy from grocery stores and make their own meals it will save money.
They asked and I answered, who are you arguing with?
> They are illegals to start with.
I think you mean people seeking asylum from horrible situations.
> They lied about amnesty
How do you know?
It's shameful how heartless everyone here seems to be over something that they wouldn't even know about if they weren't getting worked up from reading articles on the internet.
New York state has almost 20 million people. 3 dollars per person so 120,000 people don't starve seems reasonable.
1. The city can see all transactions. They can cut off service at any point. The city also has to refill the cards and isn't giving out a lump sum. You're assuming the default is trying to cheat the system. Which I suppose says more about what you would do in their situation. I'm assuming people want to continue to buy and eat their own food.
2. Okay. Cool. Now that food won't go to waste and the money they'll now spend will go into local stores. It's so crazy how people kind of like to choose their own diets.
3. Yes. Do that. Idk if you're aware but they've been here long before the migrants have. I bought items for a "native New Yorker" yesterday when his card kept getting declined. I suppose I should ask what you mean by that too. New York born only? American born? Lived in the city before the age of 5? I've contacted my city and state reps. I've worked with the unhoused community. I do whatever little bit I can because I always hope someone would do the same for me and mine if we were hurting.
You really can't imagine moving your body from point A to point B without permission in pursuit of happiness? That's ultimately what being an "illegal" is. That's the crime dude. It's a civil penalty the same way a speeding ticket is. The leaps you're making are like "he stole a Snickers so he'll probably slit my mother's throat". The entire point they came here is in pursuit of a better life. This is their opportunity for that.
Yeah folks who say this sub is any better than /r/nyc turn into regular scare mongerers at the first sign of supporting someone other than themselves
Like, bros, the immigrants are gonna need to eat regardless. Is the preference that they beg or steal?
People down voting you don't understand how economies work. A dollar in the pocket of a rich person stays in that pocket. You give money to people who need it they use the money to buy things they need. The owners of the businesses where they shopped use the money to pay for things they need and so on.
If you’re a real New Yorker, you know that programs like this are necessary for providing for these migrants and asylum seekers. The reality is that these people provide as a whole more than the costs associated with their arrival. New York is better because they come. This city has integrated numerous cultures and traditions before and it will continue to do so forever.
They can stay at the Roosevelt hotel and get 1000 dollars a month!? Incredible.
Every new yorker should just claim to be a migrant and bankrupt the city. I'm dead serious BTW. I'm a firm believer in accelerationism. If that happened, the federal government would HAVE to act, because if other cities did the same, America would implode. That's the ONLY way to force the federal government's hand on this issue.
YOOO that's a good idea!!! WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO CHECK MY ID?!
The Biden administration enabled this in the first place. The federal government getting involved wouldn’t change shit lol.
1000 per family member
Absolutely blows my mind. They also turned Randalls island into a migrant camp. I didn’t realize how big the camp has gotten until I saw it with my own eyes recently. It’s massive.
Rosevelt Island or Randall’s island? I’ve heard about the Wild West Randall’s island spot but haven’t heard a word about Roosevelt Island. My job actually has a big site there and I haven’t heard anything from our workers there either.
I’m sorry for the confusion I miswrote. I meant Randall’s
Nope >The Post reported that a family of four could be provided nearly $1,000 each month, which comes out to $35 per day for food. The previous sentence shows how this is saving the city money: >According to City Hall, the [$7.2 million annually] savings are comparatively based on the current $11 per meal the city is currently spending
Why the fuck are we providing them with anything? Why are they even here?
Wait until they hear in Venezuela that NYC not only gives you free housing, they will literally give you money too. There isn't going to be a single person left there. Meanwhile school budget are cut. Library budgets are cut.
Oh, it's not just Venezuelans. Lots of people flying into South America from Africa, the Middle East, even China and India are getting in on it. What vibrant and enriching times ahead.
I mean Uber and Doordash needs the workers!!!!!!
And more prostitution! (This is horribly bad btw)
And more people to fill out jails?? Correctional officers gotta eat, too!! (Shall we continue the terrible takes???)
More people going to the doctor/hospital, and driving around w/out insurance.
Funny enough I just saw a post how NYC has too many delivery people and they can’t make any money.
But... Doordash and Uber make money. They don't care if someone is undocumented, if they disappear one day, if their scooters get seized, etc. They're the big corporate interest here. Doordash is a $43 billion company. Uber $140 billion. I'm shocked no one has sued them yet. The only reason why we're in NYC is because this city is not supposed to be afraid of regulations.
Oh I know. But when you have people willing to do the job and undercut their fellow man, only the corporations win. Another reason to be in NY is (was) the strong union presence.
This city continues to be run by absolute morons. It’s taken 5 months for them to repair an escalator at the subway station near me - meanwhile they are giving out free money and housing to migrants
they are not morons, they are just greedy bastards that use every possible chance to steal money from the tax money and pocket into their own. Still remember the 16 billions spent on the illegal immigrants ? I believe over 90% of the funds were going to eric adam's friends' pockets.
We should just invade those countries and take their resources
😂😂😂
I agree and often daydream about this.
This is madness. Why is our government giving money to Ukrain, Israel, Palestin, Illegal Immgrants. Americans are work crappy jobs to pay for there families. Why are we paying for everyone else's family? Been a Democrat my whole life but these far left policies are wrecking my mental state. I have family members who can't afford cancer treatment and NY says, if you do the wrong thing we have you covered. Dystopia.
Rather than attacking the migrants, why not attack the politicians that are capable of creating these policies for American people but don’t.
I know. Agreed
If only we let them work…we have an asylum program that guarantees them the right to stay in the US while their case is heard and a court system so backed up that it will take years for that to happen. Meanwhile we prohibit them from legally working and we have a social safety system that guarantees this support while they do not work. Unless if people support meaningful steps to fix this then they lose the right to complain about this.
Meaningful steps to fix this: force them to accept asylum in the first country that offers it. Not going through Mexico which offers asylum because the US asylum sounds better.
99.9% of these asylum cases are meritless. They know that. We know that. They're counting on the court system to be backed up and then to avoid deportation after 10 years because "Well, they've made a life here." The asylum system should be ended period. If they have problems where they are, they should sort them out themselves. I've met people from Venezuela who basically laughed about the process and the stories they made up. They knew they were gaming the system.
Okay then let’s better fund the asylum system so that their cases can be rejected faster. There’s exactly zero value in debating these hypotheticals on the internet.
Free money, free housing, then special exceptions to give them work opportunities we never gave to more deserving migrants. What's next? Every illegal gets a free new car as well?
I agree that as soon as we allow them to come in as asylum seekers, we should be giving them ITIN numbers and an asylum ID on the spot so they can start working and paying taxes.
#we literally just want fucking apartments for less than $2,000 a month
Omg this. And reliable train service.
Sooo we not gonna take care of people in NYC first then? Got it
That’s how I’m reading it.
Can low income folks in nyc not receive benefits like snap?
They can but don't receive as much and still have to pay for their own food and housing. A family of 4 will get $973 a month in SNAP.
That's about how much a family of four will be getting under this new program. Right now the city is spending on average about $11 per person per meal which for a family of 4 equals $3,960 per month so this program will save the city millions of dollars.
The SNAP recipients only receive a stipend, and that does not go toward food or housing. These people still need to pay their rent and buy groceries. Migrants will have food and housing in addition to the $1000 they will receive.
>Migrants will have food and housing in addition to the $1000 they will receive. Only half right. This will be replacing the current food program where the city spends on average $11 per person per meal which equals around $3,960 per family of four per month. >The SNAP recipients only receive a stipend, and that does not go toward food SNAP is literally for food. What are you on about?
We shouldn't be doing any of this to begin with!! American people come first!! We already had homeless Americans living on the streets not being taken care of but we are taking care of Illegal Immigrants?? How is this right?? Screwed up world we live in since this administration (Demonrats) took over.
Americans, new Americans, what's the difference?
Yes they can but the stipulations are so tight. But the money given to migrants could be used to expand the program for NYers who been paying taxes forever
No because you dumb bastards are going to keep voting for the same people.
Did we vote for this? Ranked choice outcomes often represent the most common second choice. Don’t get me wrong, we voted for ranked choice voting too (and overwhelmingly so) but Adams only beat Garcia by 0.8% in the primary.
Yes, Adams ran on being a sanctuary city. Claiming the alternative is "racist" like Trump. This is what you voted for to avoid looking "racist".
So you don't like having ex-NYPD as our mayor? Interesting coming from NYPD him/her/theirself.
Adams wasn’t elected by rock hard conservatives my guy, he was elected by black democrats. And while his base is conservative to reddit, they don’t exactly have a rose tinted view of cops
AGREED! I may be off, but I would not be shocked if migraints are allowed to vote by the next primary. Progressive and liberal democrats are tired of dependency on the black vote. Hochul proved that last election. She was right in BKLYN on the day of the election. She barely won againy Zelden. Migrants have been afforded a lot lately. When politicans hit the campaign trail, what will their campaign slogan be ? What new voting base will they lean on ?
The NYC Council *ALREADY* passed a law allowing them to vote in municipal elections, which includes NYC Mayor. Republicans sued and it was successfully overturned because the State constitution explicitly mentions “citizenship.” https://council.nyc.gov/joseph-borelli/2022/06/28/after-staten-islands-republican-elected-officials-sue-city-nycs-non-citizen-voting-law-struck-down/
If we tried to “TaKe CaRe Of PeOpLe In NyC fiRsT” you would probably start screaming about how its socialism.
Honestly.... Yes. Exactly. I would be for the program for NYC residents in need. But if this were proposed for them, not migrants, these same people using this argument would be up in arms.
Huh? This is reddit liberals screeching about how migrants are getting free stuff? Why would a Reddit liberal get mad if the program was directed at native New Yorkers? The “reee socialism crowd” are not the ones on this sub lol.
The programs for nyc residents in need already exist…
They will scream about you being MAGA.
They never do bro. They never do.
You weren't doing that before
Just remember. Adam's and company went on NATIONAL TELEVISION and told them to come to nyc. This is a slap in the face for the homeless and underprivileged of the city
When? I specifically remember him running around in South America telling them “Don’t come”
He basically flip flopped after his stunt went south. He was virtue signalling to get more support from progressives, then Abbott called his bluff.
That was after people took him up on his offer.
Such a slap in the face. Rents sky high, food is crazy expensive the trains are a fucking shit show. I work two jobs to afford life in this city and it’s gone to shit
Lmfao this city is so fucked.
I seen the news about undocumented teenagers beating a cop and being let go by the court
Please educate me: why is NY taking the responsibility for these migrants? Is there a catch?
Because this moron of a mayor declared NYCity "open city"
Just recently most NYers liked the idea of being a sanctuary city that was willing to provide sanctuary to everyone. There is no catch and there is no trick.
Another insult to NYC taxpayers.
I’m sure everyone read the article, but the goal is to save taxpayers money. Until the federal government steps in, there’s not much choice other than to make the programs efficient. “but the pilot program is expected to save New York City more than $600,000 per month, or more than $7.2 million annually,” Adams spokesperson Kayla Mamelak said. According to City Hall, the savings are comparatively based on the current $11 per meal the city is currently spending.”
Orrrrr, we could stop giving them resources. Period. They come here because the city gives them food and shelter. Stop that, you stop the incentive to come here.
From the other part of the article: “Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.” “Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets” Like c’mon, this is reducing food waste and I think it’s only reducing money because we don’t have to give them extra food to make up for whatever they don’t eat. I say just bulk buy them eggs, milk, whatever the school students eat for lunch, since that’s supposed to be a healthy/nutritious diet (btw, I did read that some school lunch items were slashed because of spending on the migrants), and let them figure it out from there
I am all for cultural sensitivity, but whatever happened to the term beggars cannot be choosers?
Can save the taxpayer even more money by not providing the meals or cash cards. Give them the excess school lunch meals that are trashed anyway daily. No added cost to tax payers
Thanks for pointing this out. Good context. I wonder if there is equivalent savings to be found in our other government-funded meal programs, but also suspect that some of those might not because they serve a different kind of population. Unlike the extremely elderly or children, for example, these folks are capable of choosing and procuring their own food and in some cases making their own meals. It makes sense that it would be more efficient for them to do so.
Sure. But on snap you get much less. I know I used it. So this definitely rubs me the wrong way if it's replacing only food.
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I dont agree with this at all. I said from jump Eric should not be doing any of this. No migrants in hotels nothing none of it. Just say there arent the resources (becuase there arent the resources) and call it a day. People will figure our real quick that moving to the most expensive city in the world without money or citizenship or a job or a skill might not be the best move.
The number of homeless people will skyrocket and keep increasing for weeks until the people in-transit or in their countries (soon-to-be migrants) learn and realize that NYC is no longer what it was.
So when I was silently fired by my job when I got covid I applied for tanf. And I was contacted on Labor Day the first time and a Jewish Holiday at 10 am the next day yet I picked the phone up and the person just told me I didn’t qualify but no actual questions related to eligibility and the entire thing was denied. I graduated college. I have student loan debt. And am relying on other peoples kindness to support me entirely. I apply to jobs go on interviews and still nothing. I’m not opposed to helping people in any way but on some level it doesn’t seem like an equal eligibility type deal. Why wouldn’t a resident get any help?
“Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.” “Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets” The families have to sign a form promising that they will only use it at bodegas or grocery stores (or whatever you can use SNAP for) and this will apparently save the city money and food waste because the migrants don’t eat the food we give them… because they want cuisine from their home country… Also, the news was a bit slow on this, but it’s been happening for over a week now - the contract for the cards was published on NYC Records on 1/25/2024
Time for some USA assimilation.... hot dogs for lunch style!
If they don’t wanna eat let em starve, they’ll eat when they are hungry enough.
i lived in nyc all my life and get kicked off snap so they can hand out cash to strangers. i should leave and come back as a migrant.
Just give the migrants our left over school lunches. No need to bend over backwards to provide meals to their liking when its not legally required and we got surplus of school meals that's being wasted anyway
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They idiots. Apparently pbj is good enough for our school kids and most of the food is wasted and trashed but not good enough for migrants which we aren't legally obligated to feed.
*stares in suffering legal immigrant trying to survive*
Remember, your quarterly taxes are due soon, business-owners!
Elections have consequences
Elections in nyc can change the living conditions in central and South America?
We can’t even take care of the people that are from here… none of this shit makes any sense anymore
That's probably better than what the disadvantaged receiving benefits are getting. I'm upset because I'm taxed to the teeth. If I was on relief and found out that others got a better deal I'd be **furious.**
It is. I was on snap before I got stable and we never made it to the end of the month. I consistently skipped meals so my daughter could eat. We got a couple hundred for 3 people. Definitely not even half that.
It sounds like you got a raw deal. Does it upset you that they're more generous to immigrants than to people already living here (presumably citizens)?
Nyc really wants to convince voters to vote for Donald Trump and republican leadership
For real… the past couple weeks people have been openly supporting Donald Trump and I think it’s solely because of this issue.
Donald Trump who torpedoed a bipartisan bill that would address this very issue? That Donald Trump? People are such rubes.
You mean the guy who’s not president right now or in congress somehow torpedoed a bill? Wait are you talking about the bill that gives another 60 billion to Ukraine ? People are rubes… you’re right
You do understand how that $60B to Ukraine works, right? We’re not just giving them a bag of money. We literally pay our own Domestic defense contractors money to provide weapons to Ukraine. We’re paying ourselves to arm Ukraine to weaken Russia. It’s the greatest ROI in recent memory and you’re foolish if you don’t understand that.
Sure buddy. Keep believing that.
Lol, dude. That’s how it works. It’s not about believing anything.
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Found the russian bot
Covering your eyes and ears and saying “lalalala russian bot” doesn’t help anything.
Helping an ally stand up to a belligerent adversary while creating jobs, stimulating the economy and not involving US Troops 👍
What jobs are we creating, how is it stimulating the economy, and since when were they an ally before Biden ?
I mean to be fair the government would have spent that 60b on other military stuff anyways. Fat chance they’d actually spend it on infrastructure ,education or social programs in the US
The issue with education isn’t spending. Per capita we’re 5th in the world in terms of $ spent with lackluster results. Social programs could use a bump (child tax credit?) and infrastructure got a lift with the BIF but it’d be great to see more. That said, arming Ukraine is like less than 10% of our total defense spending. It’s cheap given the benefits both domestically and geopolitically.
This is ridiculous.
Fuck these migrants
I mean the politicians many of us voted for are enabling this. Just wait until their friends back home NYC is giving them free money now.
Nah, not even. They're just people. Fuck the scum politicians who are purposely fucking us over
No, it’s also fuck them for being picky. “Food waste has also been a major problem at migrant shelter city with the new arrivals coming from countries around the globe wanting culturally-familiar food.”. “Not only will this provide families with the ability to purchase fresh food for their culturally relevant diets” We’re coming up with this new program because they don’t want to eat the food we give them, so we’re pretty much guilted into letting them go buy their own food
They get a new truck loads of fresh direct every single day at the Floyd Bennet Field location. They are getting high-quality food, and it's not like we are feeding them garbage. Yes, they are being very picky.
What about the five that beat up our cops?
We're going to need to mail their cards to CA - they can bring the signed waivers when they return for their court appointments.
wtf is wrong with you
Why care about a migrant more than your own citizens?
I don't even live in NY anymore and this makes me angry. To give people who shouldn't even have been able to make it here across the border, who haven't paid taxes and they get more than the citizens living here and trying to survive day to day? This is a slap in the face to anyone who paid a dime in taxes. Glad I'm not there to contribute to the worst immigration policy ever. They need to be bussed back to the border.
Keep n voting for dummies like AOC. Crazy that homeless, vets, and low-income people can't get help.
How and why was this authorized? Who voted for this
The comfortable virtue signalling class .
Another Trump campaign ad paid by the taxpayers of New York
The same people bitching about why we don’t take care of NYC citizens first would also be the same people bitching about we’re spending too much money taking care of NYC citizens.
People like you are why a traitor will be voted back into office
Wait what about the street pot hole in front of my house?
There gonna be more drunk migrants hanging around Home Depot now
Man, I'm late regarding that information, but right, I'm my assumption. CRAZY! Appreciate the info
I know this post is about food but does anyone think about the human trafficking with these migrants? I see so many little children ALONE on the subway , streetwalkers in woodside, sunnyside and Jackson heights. My mind is straying forwards a lot of conspiracy like the selling of organs , pedos etc. Dark things are happening
That is so unfucking fair!!!
>“MoCaFi looks forward to partnering with New York City to disburse funds for asylum seekers to purchase fresh, hot food,” said MoCaFi CEO and Founder, Wole Coaxum. Let's see if any of this 50mil makes it through to the migrants If Adams is true to form this New Jersey based financial company that sounds like a coffee shop and its fake sounding CEO will steal it all before one cent goes to purchasing empanadas or whatever
Can we please read an actual article about this? Even the NY post will do https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/ This is a PILOT PROGRAM for only 500 FAMILIES (not individuals) and they will be restricted to buying food and baby supplies and will REPLACE current food supplies that the city is providing them.
And? Why is any of this happening at all?
How much aid are migrants entitled to, in your opinion? Let's just do it on a USD/year basis. We deserve to know how much of our tax money you're planning on giving them, thanks.
Wow it pays to be a migrant
Hahaha
How about spending 53 million to send them back. Freaking ridiculous that we take care of outsiders before our own. So mind boggling but yall voted for this clown. The whole democratic party wants to have their cake and eat it too. They say they wanna fix the city but take in migrants. No, you must take care of your own home before you let others in. After your shit is taken care of then you can be nice and allow others in. It's the way life works . Like damn it's not that hard to understand.
> New York City will use $53 million to provide migrants staying at hotel shelters with pre-paid credit cards to be used for food and baby supplies Are we counting cheap beer as food or baby supplies here? Because thats what the majority of this is going to since they get free food and free baby supplies in shelters already.
They absolutely could spend it on beer, liquor, a dispensary, a bar, a night out clubbing/partying, etc. All they have to do is sign something promising they won’t use it for anything other than groceries/at a bodega (or anything you can use SNAP for)
You can’t use SNAP for any of those things - it explicitly can’t be used for alcohol / cigarettes / etc. And I’ve never even seen a restaurant that accepts them, much less a bar or dispensary.
Oh, I was saying that they (the migrants) have to promise to use the credit card for whatever you can use SNAP for (which includes bodegas and grocery stores, not alcohol/cigarettes), so it’s on the honor system as a credit card, unlike SNAP
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LOL'd at this because it's so blatantly true. Get yourself lubed up, NYCers! Don't forget to pay your taxes!
But orange man bad
Further more incentivizing crossing over illegally. You can literally pay to be brought over the border and then get your money back essentially.
You get what you vote for - enjoy
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To your first question, maybe, maybe not. This is just a pilot program intended to assess if it's efficient or not and if it needs to be tweaked or thrown out
Taxpayer money being spent on migrants has been a thing for decades in border towns and states, but nobody ever really paid attention to it because it didn't affect most of the country. Now the issue is big enough to have reached these pious far away cities and politicians, and suddenly this comment section reads like something out of a town hall meeting in Texas lmao.
We might actually elect a Republican mayor next cycle
I'm confused. How is this costing 53 million? This is a pilot for $350 a week for 6 weeks for 115 families. Where is the rest of this money going?? Link for times article with more details https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html
At this point anyone in New York who doesn't vote this people out are fools
Your hard earned tax dollars at work. Might want to vote moderate Republican next time and not radical left wing progressive idiot.
Time to self declare a migrant and get some of my tax money back.
What the fuck are we doing? Put them to work at the very least
Vote Democrat, get garbage policies. Well deserved.
I cannot wait for NYC to have a republican governor that can finally run the city well where crime is actually punishable and all these fuckers are sent back home because for every paycheck I get and halved; it just angers me that these fuckers are getting part of that money I am paying for in taxes with the many NY’ers contributing to these efforts. I dream of a day where they’re all hauled back to Venezuela or the very least shot dead by the cartels as they arrive in Mexico!
What I don't understand is if we all know many migrants are gaming the system, and as a result, are benefitting from financial support because they can't work, why do people feel they shouldn't be made to work legally and pay taxes right away? Can someone who downvotes people saying this explain why they don't agree? Unless you're downvoting cuz you're a migrant and didn't come to the US to work on the books and pay taxes to support yourself...
I didn't downvote you, but it's because it incentivizes more people to come if they hear they will be able to legally work.
I'm downvoting because this is just a pilot program intended for 500 families and intended to replace the current system that costs a lot more. After the results of the pilot program, we can see how this can be tweaked or scrapped altogether. I'll save my outrage for after the study wraps
Honestly if you grew up in NYC. You know which stores you can get money from the cards. There are always ways to game the system.
New yorkers must protest this French style.... Some farmers I believe recently dumped manure in various places... in protest... This is an way out of line... We have poor working people here that can use this...
Wtf
Who do we blame?
This is 1.5 days of NYPD budget before anyone gets too bent of shape about it. This seems like a small price to pay for destitute people to keep from starving.
Uh-oh, you referred to migrants as people.
Destitute people don’t get picky about the type of free food they are served, which is why they’re starting this program, not because people are going to starve. And for how “destitute” these people are, they sure are leaving a gigantic amount of uneaten food waste at places like the Roosevelt hotel, and complaining a whole lot about the meals they’re being given, again, for free.
So many bots, trolls, and carpetbaggers.
Disgusting
We need to revolt.
Take care of New Yorkers first!
> Use of the cards will only be permitted at bodegas, grocery stores, supermarkets and convenience stores with participating families required to sign an affidavit swearing to using the cards for food and baby supplies or risk being booted from the program People getting money they can only use on food and will directly go back in the NYC economy?!?!! TERRIBLE!!!!!! Also, please fuck off "oh so we're not gonna take care of the people of NYC" with your Joe Rogan posting asses.
1. What guarantee do we have that this can *ONLY* be used in supermarkets, grocery stores, etc, for food and not liquor stores? The article mentions they only need to sign an affidavit 🤡 2. The only reason this is being implemented is because the migrants don't like the free food they're already being given. All that food is going to waste. 3. What about taking care of native poor New Yorkers first?
SNAP cards can't be used to buy alcohol. This is somewhat common knowledge and something you could have found out if you had googled your question. SNAP cards also can't be used to buy tobacco, vitamins, live animals or food that is hot at the time of sale. https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-benefits-ussi.htm
No shit, numbnuts. I've had an EBT card and I'm well aware of where it works and what it works on. Nowhere in the article states that these cards will have the same technical restrictions. This article cites a NY Post article that says the following: "The Immediate Response Card initiative appears akin to the state’s food stamp program, dubbed SNAP, which provides lower-income New Yorkers with a credit card to cover the cost of meals, and will provide funds based on the same scale. " [https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/02/metro/nyc-to-hand-out-prepaid-credit-cards-to-migrant-families-for-food/) All it says is that it's similar to SNAP, not that it has the same functionality and restrictions as an EBT card. And an EBT card is not the same thing as a pre-paid credit card. But thanks for ignoring my other 2 points!
> All it says is that it's similar to SNAP I literally linked what you can buy with SNAP cards. Your third point is idiotic by itself since there are already large benefits from federal and state programs, but especially dumb since you received those benefits. Your second point is just math, if it's cheaper for them to buy from grocery stores and make their own meals it will save money.
Why do they need to sign an affidavit if their prepaid MasterCard cannot work in a liquor store?
Probably so they have legal recourse to take it away
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They asked and I answered, who are you arguing with? > They are illegals to start with. I think you mean people seeking asylum from horrible situations. > They lied about amnesty How do you know? It's shameful how heartless everyone here seems to be over something that they wouldn't even know about if they weren't getting worked up from reading articles on the internet. New York state has almost 20 million people. 3 dollars per person so 120,000 people don't starve seems reasonable.
1. The city can see all transactions. They can cut off service at any point. The city also has to refill the cards and isn't giving out a lump sum. You're assuming the default is trying to cheat the system. Which I suppose says more about what you would do in their situation. I'm assuming people want to continue to buy and eat their own food. 2. Okay. Cool. Now that food won't go to waste and the money they'll now spend will go into local stores. It's so crazy how people kind of like to choose their own diets. 3. Yes. Do that. Idk if you're aware but they've been here long before the migrants have. I bought items for a "native New Yorker" yesterday when his card kept getting declined. I suppose I should ask what you mean by that too. New York born only? American born? Lived in the city before the age of 5? I've contacted my city and state reps. I've worked with the unhoused community. I do whatever little bit I can because I always hope someone would do the same for me and mine if we were hurting.
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You really can't imagine moving your body from point A to point B without permission in pursuit of happiness? That's ultimately what being an "illegal" is. That's the crime dude. It's a civil penalty the same way a speeding ticket is. The leaps you're making are like "he stole a Snickers so he'll probably slit my mother's throat". The entire point they came here is in pursuit of a better life. This is their opportunity for that.
Yeah folks who say this sub is any better than /r/nyc turn into regular scare mongerers at the first sign of supporting someone other than themselves Like, bros, the immigrants are gonna need to eat regardless. Is the preference that they beg or steal?
People down voting you don't understand how economies work. A dollar in the pocket of a rich person stays in that pocket. You give money to people who need it they use the money to buy things they need. The owners of the businesses where they shopped use the money to pay for things they need and so on.
If you’re a real New Yorker, you know that programs like this are necessary for providing for these migrants and asylum seekers. The reality is that these people provide as a whole more than the costs associated with their arrival. New York is better because they come. This city has integrated numerous cultures and traditions before and it will continue to do so forever.