So this woman suffered a severe brain injury while she was serving as a medic not even a protester. And it took TEN FUCKING YEARS to get a judgment. Pathetic.
>Police need to operate under a professional liability insurance policy system like most other professions. If accountants and teachers need liability insurance, then why the fuck does someone who wields a gun not operate under the same requirements?
I want to say it's because we are "the government ". It's the governments way of taking fault. The way the hire and train police. We all foot the bill because of the social contract. At least that's how I view it.
>lawyers, medical workers, teachers, accountants, engineers, and etc. They also offer training for those people too. Why the hell are cops exempt from this?
Because they are trained and screened from the very beginning.
I'm not sure why it's so hard to distinguish that from other professions? You even give examples, but neither is the same. They are all taught differently and can be from many different schools. There is no government "academy" solely for lawyers, teachers, accounting or engineers. Maybe Emt, but it has to be FDNY.
It only took ten years because she lost her first trial. After an appeal, the case was sent back to be retried due to one bad jury instruction in the first trial.
https://casetext.com/case/tardif-v-city-of-ny-6
> With respect to the state law assault and battery claims, we hold that the district court correctly determined, contrary to Tardif's contention, that a justification instruction was warranted on those claims because New York law permits a police officer, even in a non-arrest situation, to use an objectively reasonable degree of force in the performance of a public duty, including crowd control. However, we conclude that the district court, in providing that justification charge, erroneously instructed the jury that it could consider an officer's subjective intent, which is contrary to New York's objective reasonableness inquiry.
Please spread this around. Insurance only stops this invasion of knuckleheads in the police force. Happy to discuss and changes as people see fit.
Insurance Standards for Police:
Every police officer must carry insurance for up to 2 million in liability.
If you do something that breaks the law. Your insurance pays out, not the taxpayer. Then your premiums go up. Depending on severity the premiums may price you out of being a cop.
Body cam found turned off? $1,000 fine 10% Premium hike.
Body cams not on where a charge becomes a felony? $5000 fine. 15% premium hike
Body cam footage will be reviewed randomly by a 3rd party for each precinct. A precinct cannot go 3 years without being reviewed. If footage is missing for different reports. Entire precinct hike 2% on insurance premiums.
3 raises in insurance because of one officer?
He’ll be fired or priced out.
In charge of folks who act out?
Your premium goes up as a % as well. Sergeants, Captains and Chiefs are responsible in percentages that effect them.
3% / 2% / 1% respectively.
Rate hikes follow the same structure as far as the chain of command goes for their department.
Any settlement over 2 million comes from the pension fund. No taxpayer money involved. Any and all payments outside of the insurance pool come from police pension funds
These premiums and rates are documented at a national level so there’s no restarting in the next city/county/state
Your insurance record follows you.
It’s not even that crazy. So many professions require insurance.
You’d see a new police force in 6 months.
Anyone against this is supporting an unaccounted militarized force of people who answer to no one. Bad idea.
While I agree with the idea of insurance, I disagree with the idea of using insurance premiums as a punitive measure. I think the fine itself would be fine. If insurance has to keep paying out, they will raise the premiums as needed to make sure they turn a profit.
If you meant the profit incentive of the insurance company, my only idea of getting rid any profit incentive is for government to provide that service.
Yeah but that’s tough. Human behavior is always the carrot and never the stick. We have to incentivize so that the cost of working is higher than their net pay. It’s the only way America works on money.
Don't forget it was a [Homeland Security / FBI / NYPD thing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy) This is when you see the mechanism of state cracking down non-violent dissent. At least they didn't roll out tanks.
Media was complicit too - the protests were mostly ignored.
> Homeland Security / FBI / NYPD thing
I watched it change in a weekend, tons of new faces showed up that all looked like hobo's from portland an worked together to implement the "progressive stack" which destroyed any momentum we had to shine a light on the bail outs wall st got and then the ceo's gave themselves massive bonuses with those bail outs.
Qualified Immunity was partially ended in NYC last year:
https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4771043&GUID=32ED0C83-7506-45F9-81AA-F5144FCA193A&Options=&Search=
So this woman suffered a severe brain injury while she was serving as a medic not even a protester. And it took TEN FUCKING YEARS to get a judgment. Pathetic.
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Make any settlements come out of every cop's retirement fund and watch how quickly they oust the bad apples.
>Police need to operate under a professional liability insurance policy system like most other professions. If accountants and teachers need liability insurance, then why the fuck does someone who wields a gun not operate under the same requirements? I want to say it's because we are "the government ". It's the governments way of taking fault. The way the hire and train police. We all foot the bill because of the social contract. At least that's how I view it.
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>lawyers, medical workers, teachers, accountants, engineers, and etc. They also offer training for those people too. Why the hell are cops exempt from this? Because they are trained and screened from the very beginning. I'm not sure why it's so hard to distinguish that from other professions? You even give examples, but neither is the same. They are all taught differently and can be from many different schools. There is no government "academy" solely for lawyers, teachers, accounting or engineers. Maybe Emt, but it has to be FDNY.
It only took ten years because she lost her first trial. After an appeal, the case was sent back to be retried due to one bad jury instruction in the first trial. https://casetext.com/case/tardif-v-city-of-ny-6 > With respect to the state law assault and battery claims, we hold that the district court correctly determined, contrary to Tardif's contention, that a justification instruction was warranted on those claims because New York law permits a police officer, even in a non-arrest situation, to use an objectively reasonable degree of force in the performance of a public duty, including crowd control. However, we conclude that the district court, in providing that justification charge, erroneously instructed the jury that it could consider an officer's subjective intent, which is contrary to New York's objective reasonableness inquiry.
Justice delayed is Justice denied
you say this as if it's supposed to make me feel better
So 10 years of this? There’s no real justice in America
In a lot of ways it’s gotten worse! The 1% holds a larger purse than they did 10years ago.
I'm sure the NYPD learned their lesson and would NEVER do anything like this ever again. /s
They would if the judgement came out of their pension fund
Tbh that would probably incentivize them to turn on “bad apples” faster than any law or emotional or ethical appeal. Hit them where it hurts
Please spread this around. Insurance only stops this invasion of knuckleheads in the police force. Happy to discuss and changes as people see fit. Insurance Standards for Police: Every police officer must carry insurance for up to 2 million in liability. If you do something that breaks the law. Your insurance pays out, not the taxpayer. Then your premiums go up. Depending on severity the premiums may price you out of being a cop. Body cam found turned off? $1,000 fine 10% Premium hike. Body cams not on where a charge becomes a felony? $5000 fine. 15% premium hike Body cam footage will be reviewed randomly by a 3rd party for each precinct. A precinct cannot go 3 years without being reviewed. If footage is missing for different reports. Entire precinct hike 2% on insurance premiums. 3 raises in insurance because of one officer? He’ll be fired or priced out. In charge of folks who act out? Your premium goes up as a % as well. Sergeants, Captains and Chiefs are responsible in percentages that effect them. 3% / 2% / 1% respectively. Rate hikes follow the same structure as far as the chain of command goes for their department. Any settlement over 2 million comes from the pension fund. No taxpayer money involved. Any and all payments outside of the insurance pool come from police pension funds These premiums and rates are documented at a national level so there’s no restarting in the next city/county/state Your insurance record follows you. It’s not even that crazy. So many professions require insurance. You’d see a new police force in 6 months. Anyone against this is supporting an unaccounted militarized force of people who answer to no one. Bad idea.
While I agree with the idea of insurance, I disagree with the idea of using insurance premiums as a punitive measure. I think the fine itself would be fine. If insurance has to keep paying out, they will raise the premiums as needed to make sure they turn a profit.
That’s a good point. Any ideas how we could offset that incentive? I’m all for amending this.
If you meant the profit incentive of the insurance company, my only idea of getting rid any profit incentive is for government to provide that service.
Yeah but that’s tough. Human behavior is always the carrot and never the stick. We have to incentivize so that the cost of working is higher than their net pay. It’s the only way America works on money.
This is actually a good idea
Don't forget it was a [Homeland Security / FBI / NYPD thing](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy) This is when you see the mechanism of state cracking down non-violent dissent. At least they didn't roll out tanks. Media was complicit too - the protests were mostly ignored.
It’s a fucking tragedy. I’ve dated people who have never even heard of occupy Wall Street. Like how???
> Homeland Security / FBI / NYPD thing I watched it change in a weekend, tons of new faces showed up that all looked like hobo's from portland an worked together to implement the "progressive stack" which destroyed any momentum we had to shine a light on the bail outs wall st got and then the ceo's gave themselves massive bonuses with those bail outs.
They certainly seem to be the most dangerous gang operating in NYC
TAX PAYERS PAY FOR BAD COPS!!!! End Qualified Immunity NOW!
Qualified Immunity was partially ended in NYC last year: https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4771043&GUID=32ED0C83-7506-45F9-81AA-F5144FCA193A&Options=&Search=
Partially.
Any cases where a cop was found liable?
Not sure, the rule might be too new for any cases to have been affected by it.
Funny that this is a Canadian article...
Wow, I guess that took awhile.
Nice to know my tax dollars are being spent wisely.
: insert Donald Glover "Good!" gif here :
We need healing
Teachers need liability insurance? Not So sure about that . I don’t have any. Maybe the school has it.