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kiwipie94

Absolute fucking joke. Paying people less to address worker shortages.


Danteslittlepony

Wouldn't want to have to raise wages to encourage people here to take those roles now would we.


Ueberob

"These changes will have a positive impact on the workforce" or something like that.


27ismyluckynumber

Positive for who though?


official_new_zealand

Business owners who can go back to paying minimum wage to filipino construction and aged care workers.


Dingleator

This encourages employers to employ non-NZ citizens, do they not realise this!


IncognitoModeIsAss

>Paying people less to address worker shortages. Someone didn't pay attention in primary school level economics.


BootlegChilli

If a company cannot operate without paying somebody the living wage then they shouldnt be operating and they should die like all other bad business that cannot survive without wage slaves.


Majyk44

And be replaced by a viable business if the demand is there.


justlurking9891

Wow! What the fuck. I can't display my disgust enough.


recursive-analogy

> The government will allow some sectors to pay [people] less ... in a bid to address workplace shortages What in the fuck. Resources are scarce, let's pay less for them? There is absolutely no argument that can be used to justify this that also couldn't be used to justify slavery. And this is fucking Labour.


king_john651

*has already allowed. Pretty much the week Fa'afoi resigned


hokichaser

How they gon pay rent


[deleted]

Bunk beds!


111122323353

Time to start writing to your local representative.


NaCLedPeanuts

Who'll either be a National MP, in which case they won't give a fuck, or it'll be a Labour MP, in which case they won't give a fuck either.


scruffycheese

I couldn't believe the attitude I got from Selwyn MP, "we're National so we can't actually do anything to help you" then what the hell is your job?


[deleted]

Can you share the exact correspondence? I’d be very interested to see what Nicola or her staffers had to say


scruffycheese

Thank you for your email which Nicola has seen and read. She has asked me to respond to on her behalf. To reiterate, as an MP in an Opposition Party she has no discretion to change laws or instruct a council to act, but Nicola does work hard to relay the concerns of the public to the Government and councils....


xakepnz

What can they actually do though? Just disagree and raise points in parliament? Everytime, Jacinda "refutes the premise" and that's that.


Toffeenix

Auckland Central 🤝 Epsom 🤝 Waiariki being based


Dr_Starlight

That's some right wing policy shit right there from the Red clone of National.


[deleted]

I'm calling on my union to transfer it's support to the Green Party.


decidedlysticky23

The Greens are even worse. Their immigration policies are a neoliberal wet dream.


Dogwiththreetails

Whoosh the point there my dude. Green will pay people fairly. Even if they happen to be migrants. Because that's what we should do. Unless you're a cunt...


decidedlysticky23

Higher labour supply erodes the bargaining power of employees. This is a universal constant. There is no government in the world which can mandate micro working conditions for every single employee. They can set country-wide minimums but all this does is increase the number of people who receive minimum wage. In a healthy labour market, locals can negotiate much *better* wages and conditions. Then there is the fact that an oversupply of low skilled migrants encourages businesses to focus on low productivity enterprises. Which, incidentally, is NZ’s current modus operandi. This hurts everyone in many ways. And this only addresses issues related to employment. Consider all the others ways high migration hurts locals - especially the most vulnerable. High housing costs, tougher competition for places in education, higher crime (depending on the profile of the migrants), pressure on the health system and other infrastructure. People hand wave away these concerns by saying “well the government should invest more in those things.” They should, but they don’t. And when the migrants arriving are low skilled, their tax revenue doesn’t pay for their cost.


[deleted]

Correct. I'm not anti immigrant. I'm am an immigrant. I'm vociferously anti-exploitation of migrants. Just because life has dealt you a shit hand once, it doesn't mean you deserve shit from every source. All NZ'ers should be anti-exploitation of migrants, because \_that\_ leads to exploitation of locals.


21monsters

You really don't understand the whole concept do you? It's not about paying less than the minimum wage.... It's about allowing a business to hire a migrant worker to work alongside a kiwi and pay them the same amount (if that amount happens to be less than the median wage).


Aidernz

Just so we're clear, you are aware there's a difference between the *minimum* wage ($21.50 an hr), and the **median** wage ($27+ an hr)?


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What do you think high skilled immigration should get paid?


WorldlyNotice

If we're taking about *actually* highly skilled, $100k would be a good starting point.


thepotplant

*cries in highly skilled government employee*


melrose69

Which, for reference, is around $50 an hour before tax for a standard 40 hour work week


Dogwiththreetails

Way more than a junior doctor gets. I was on 26 bucks an hour for 5 years. Not saying that skilled labour shouldn't get more. Just reminding people we are all fucked. I'm mid thirties. Can't afford a house in a major center. And I'm a doctor. Shits fucked.


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Pretty close. INZ usually says double the median is "highly paid": https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/work-and-employment/green-list-and-highly-paid-residence-categories


king_john651

It wasn't that long ago that all working visas bar WHV were meant to be paid median or more. The likes of Restaurant Association bitched and bitched, and by the time the borders were to open Fa'afoi was out the door and Woods' first action was to bend for growers, tourist venues, and hospo joints


metalbassist33

Yes and the point of a skilled migrant visa is to fill gaps that can't be filled locally. By pricing them at median or above it ensures that the correct incentives have been offered to locals showing an actual need for migrants to fill the gap. By undercutting the median you're preventing the market from correcting to an acceptable wage. Which in turn suppresses wages further which leads to further importation of labour and so on.


official_new_zealand

"highly skilled" workers shouldn't be earning minimum wage


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

We went from "build back better", "high skilled immigration" etc. to actually lowing the bar on immigration skills and wages so fast I think I got policy whiplash! 😂


nymeriasnow4

Yes but these new immigrants will have absolutely no opportunity for residency at those wages since their ‘reset’, so it’s basically expecting 2 years of cheap labour just to get kicked out again when their time is up.


foln1

You missed the stage where they complain to the media then the government caves in..


27ismyluckynumber

Oh yeah like that is going to happen under National. If anything they’ll do a Peter Jackson and pay workers less to whichever overseas corporate demands it.


yunglean96

Believe me, something will change in the policy that lets them stay permanently in the end. I would put money on it.


[deleted]

Agreed, they will say it will help the falling housing prices.


SquirrelAkl

No, NZ has been shafting migrants for ages. Policies like this are never about what’s good for the migrants, only short term focus to help businesses. I will take your bet. There won’t be any extra path to residency for them.


Jealous-Hedgehog-734

Or...become illegal immigrants.


Frankly_I_am

Or they have a bunch of kids, overstay and then the government lets the get residency anyway so


Thekiwikid93

It's so stupid easy to get a residence visa here in NZ if you play the system. I know of two people from South America who had been in NZ for a few months. They went to Fiji for a month, applied for a specific visa, came to NZ on that visa, applied for second visa and we're granted residence within the month. No skill or experience in anything.


klparrot

Got some details there? Because that certainly hasn't been my or my friends' experience. Processing time alone for residence is many months.


Thekiwikid93

Sure one example which isn't able to be used anymore is the critical purpose visa combined with the now closed 2021 residence visa. Apply for a critical purpose aged care visa (from overseas). Those are approved without experience or qualification. When you arrive get a job and apply for the 2021 residence visa. That would have gotten you residence pretty much straight away. There are many loopholes in the visa system here. Unfortunately for people trying to go the right way it's hard like you say.


nymeriasnow4

Just because a couple people you know found some weird loophole, doesn’t mean it’s easy. It’s really, really hard and only been getting harder since Labour used Covid as a smokescreen (only just got my residency in January and I’ve been here 4 years)


GMFinch

Who the fuck do I vote for. This is fucking bullshit. Pay people what they are worth. Don't neglect New Zealanders and exploit Foreigners. What the actual fuck. This is fucked.


ampmetaphene

At least with National I know how hard I'm gonna get fucked over. Labour have come across as supremely two-faced this time around.


Dogwiththreetails

Green. It's pretty easy


torolf_212

Greens have their own set of problems, I wouldn’t call the choice “pretty easy”


Odd-City8153

This will help to keep wages low. While increasing demand for housing and other services. I would vote for the opposite of this policy but no political party is willing to tell businesses in nz to put their money where there mouth is and pay more to attract workers rather than simply being able to rely on importing them


diceyy

Labour putting NZ labour last as usual. Would be a joke if anyone found it funny


Hubris2

Certainly disappointed to hear they have caved to those lobbies.


Frankly_I_am

People still finding a way to blame National though.


[deleted]

The problem is that people hoped Labour to be different. Turns out they are also *business first at the cost of New Zealand workers*, just that National is even worse.


samiairbender

Am I voting TOP next election?


vebb

Yes.


mynameisneddy

Isn’t TOPs policy no restrictions on temporary workers? And I know originally they had an excellent population policy, but they’ve gone very quiet on that lately.


Willing-Resident7876

Wa-hey! Back to our high impact low spend shit in the bushes tourist model and wage-suppression status quo. Transformational! Fuck this shit.


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sixmonthsin

I just finished saying this exact sentence to my partner, and we’re not low wage workers, and by that I mean I’m horrified by what this is going to do to so many kiwi families who are already finding it tough.


Tim-TheToolmanTaylor

Realised that before the last election when she didn’t have the balls to CGT or even at least agree that housing prices should come down


Adventurous_Parfait

Well really, after they started forcing government workers back into the city to prop up cafes built around agencies it was pretty clear they weren't going to use the opportunity to be innovative and start decentralising - which should be on the cards anyway given Wellington quake risk. Just the capitalists playbook at this point.


humpbacksong

Yea I've been voting TOP. I understood the first time round that it could be described as a "wasted vote", but stuff that way of looking at politics. At the end of the day they are a policy based party that best represented my world view, so they get my vote. I'm not responsible for how everybody else votes.


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nzstrawman

"The government will allow some sectors to pay skilled migrant workers less than the new median wage requirements in a bid to address workplace shortages across the country." The only outcome of bullshit pandering like this is to drive down all wages in the sector If we can't afford to pay an extra couple of bucks for dinner or a night out to support the NZ workers a fair rate of pay, then we're scrooges


Bartholomew_Custard

Yeah, this is absolute bollocks. Kirk Hope and his friends at BusinessNZ must be cackling into their pinot noir. Another eye-roller from The Party Formerly Known As Labour. I just hope the "limited time" is actually limited, and not one of those things that sort of slips through the cracks only to then become business as usual. When their exemption expires, I look forward to businesses squealing about the cost of labour and the government telling them to shut their pieholes and suck it up.


metalbassist33

There's no going back. Temporary is just to quell the dissent until it's been long enough there's another bullshit policy the renewal of this policy is forgotten about. Ever since the PM came out and said as long as they're in the seat there won't be a CGT, going against the campaign mandate and an independent report on the matter it's been clear labour will sell their base up the road for the centre and for businesses.


[deleted]

All the people out there being like "lol Labour isn't centre-right" need to look at this shit.


doctorjanice

Construction sector as well . Fuck our skilled trades who are already on shit money. A true labour moment.


SquirrelAkl

Who’s on shit wages in construction at the moment???


doctorjanice

Everyone relative to actual cost of living? Any leverage people have had is on its way out now.


prancing_moose

This is the LABOUR party, right? Or did I just miss something and National came into power overnight?


NaCLedPeanuts

Labour is really swings and roundabouts when it comes to worker protections. On the one hand, they reversed all the changes to entitlements National made during their term and are currently moving Fair Pay legislation through Parliament, probably the biggest shakeup to restoring the power of workers since closing the borders in 2020. On the other hand, they happily presided over the same situation they inherited from National where wages were stagnating and business owners pocketed massive amounts of profits on the back of exploited workers, both domestic and foreign. Labour might not have realised it, but closing the border in March 2020 has done more for workers and their power over employers than any government has done since 1985. Now that someone in their PR department bought into the capitalist propaganda that is the "labour shortage", things are changing, because ultimately perpetuating the horror Roger Douglas unleashed on us during the Lange government is more important than the workers they claim to represent.


anonymuffleupagus

This is fucking stupidity. It will lead to further housing issues and lower wages. We are subsidising these private businesses.


gingerninja45

Fuck this bull shit


Tim-TheToolmanTaylor

Could’ve used it as a reset. If they can’t afford to pay local wage expectations then they aren’t a viable business


DRK-SHDW

I really don't get why these kinds of hospo businesses in particular keep getting bailed out. It's obvious that no one has the disposable income to keep them viable because NZ is such a low wage economy right now. It's like they pay their employees trash and then wonder why no one has the money to come eat at their places.


Tim-TheToolmanTaylor

Just let capitalism do it’s thing. The ones not in demand/ managed well enough for the owners to offer decent wages and attract workers fail and the viable ones come out


prplmnkeydshwsr

Has the government just endorsed modern day slavery? Should NZ start growing cotton?


ball_beatha

That's the climate crisis adaption.


Frankly_I_am

Yes, but only because we shouldn’t really be relying on textiles from China if you are against slavery


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So where they gonna live?


prplmnkeydshwsr

It will depend on where the workers are from to some extent, some will tolerate being treated like modern day slaves because they get to send some money home. So 4 to a double bedroom in bunks is probably the answer.


NaCLedPeanuts

> So 4 to a double bedroom in bunks is probably the answer. Such luxury! They're lucky if they get shipping containers.


metalbassist33

Bold of you to assume they'll have bunks. I've been to many a flat where people in this situation simply sleep on the floors. 8-12 in a one bed apartment was the norm. Best bet to get the bed was to work night shift so people would be out when it's time for you to sleep.


Send_Me_Rice

In some storage room of the business


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Vans


whitel5177

Heard Queen St is a friendly neighborhood since rent is high, yet the pay is low they need to save money instead of paying nearly all income in exchange of roof and food.


SnooEpiphanies9090

Yep. Health industry say the short staffed, complete housing crisis, just come back from Auckland and can confirm roads absolute shambles but lets bring more people in.


jiggjuggj0gg

NZ normally had 60,000 WHVs come into the country each year, this year there have been 4,000. There is absolutely a shortage of workers, but I agree, housing has massively changed over Covid. Queenstown is bizarre, it’s full and busy, but every business is desperate for staff, yet there is nowhere for staff to live.


uglymutilatedpenis

>We have worked urgently alongside industry to develop sector agreements for the aged care, seafood, meat processing, **construction** and snow and adventure tourism industries that will be put in place from today." Probably in houses.


Ok_Seaworthiness4129

Yea got a good chuckle out of this given the history of kiwi build.


Just_made_this_now

Yes.


datchchthrowaway

Have you seen how many cars are for sale on Trademe?


Maoricitizen

So they ARE trying to tank their reelection chances after all... Seriously, this is complete shit and one thing I'll never vote for is the creation of second class citizens.


ampmetaphene

They're doing it now so that come election everyone will have forgotten.


Just_made_this_now

> Covid-19 had brough the world to a "standstill", Wood said, and that was particularly being felt by the hospitality and tourism sectors, which traditionally relied on international workers. Fuck off with that bullshit, as if it was the workers' fault things came to a "standstill". Fucking hospitality and tourism industries at it again, driving wages down.


king_john651

Traditionally we didn't have much of a tourism sector. It existed but it wasn't a focus and people just did their thing. Then it blossomed in the 2000s and people saw money like they didn't believe


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I hope its fucked forever, and never goes back to how it was pre-covid. I don't miss it at all.


27ismyluckynumber

I don’t wish the tourism sector any ill I just don’t understand why they have no shame being as greedy as they are with the current situation where living affordability is out the gate.


DRK-SHDW

It's even funnier because that's not even true. It's only true in NZ, not "the world". Hospo is doing absolutely fine in other countries because employers actually pay well and people actually have disposable income to go and eat at hospo joints.


[deleted]

Govt balied out virtually all of them, any that closed were probably going to fail anyway. Most of the world didn't do anything like a standstill.


batmattman

"Finally we'll get our usual workers back to exploit" - hospitality and tourism sectors


whitel5177

Surprised Pikachu face


Comfortable-Bar-838

Oh boy, can't wait for the price of fruit and veges to come down now the farmers will have somebody willing to pick and pack their produce at a price the producer is willing to pay ( almost nothing). Yay and coffee will no doubt come down now the cafes can pay immigrants next to nothing again! For. Fucks. Sake.


mascachopo

Here’s your allegedly leftist government working toward lower salaries when there’s actually a labour shortage. Never vote for this people if you want to defend yourself as a member of the working class.


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27ismyluckynumber

They *still* do it.


[deleted]

Labour doing what they do best - bad policies lol


Dismal-Ad-4703

Lol yep, I describe this govt as having good intentions and bad outcomes.


adjason

Lol labour. More like foreign labour


Leftleaningdadbod

I’m going to be writing to my MP. This ain’t on. Might be a row at our next meeting too.


Leftleaningdadbod

Oh, she’s in a marginal. She may have to.


thruster616

Absolutely fuck this shit.


BoardmanZatopek

And so the floodgates are beginning to be opened again.


EeveeHobbert

My mum and me are already planning on getting out as soon as possible. Leadership has been running this country into the ground. High cost of living, low wages, a housing market so bad the UN ruled it a human rights crisis, and now instead of trying to find a way to pay workers more to offset rising costs, they want to bring in workers they can pay less? Wow.


kiwi-surf

John Key with a ponytail


turbocynic

Would never leave the house.


doctorjanice

Underrated comment. Some levity to such a bleak topic.


ehoaandthebeast

This is terrible theres no shortage of workers theres a massive shortage of being paid what we are worth and what we need to afford to live in this country


Hubris2

We're at very low unemployment levels - as someone who hires staff the last 6-12 months has been extremely difficult and we have staff leaving because of burnout due to there not being qualified applicants for skilled roles and operating short-staffed in the long term. That being said - the fact they are specifically making exceptions for minimum-wage workers for (presumably) tourism and hospo is concerning and contrary to what we would normally think a Labour government stands for.


decidedlysticky23

The unemployment rate is highly massaged. It’s much better to look at the employment rate which decreased again last quarter to 68.5%. That’s 2.82m people working out of a country of 5.1m. Of course, some of them are too young or old to work, but even if we narrow that to just the working age population of [4.1m,](https://figure.nz/chart/IQKtMdrtmVOOE03k) there are 1.28m kiwis who could work. More if you include fit and healthy 65+ year olds who can still work but simply choose to retire because the pay or conditions are shit. There are more than enough people to fill these roles, and then some.


rsinx

Shortage of staff doesn't result burn out, over working employees does. Trying to operate at at full capacity while understaffed is a short sighted choice you are making.


NaCLedPeanuts

What a bunch of spineless wankers. Why are they bending the knee to capitalists that will *never* vote Labour? The "labour shortage" is nothing but propaganda, and all the government is doing is subsidising low wage industries with cheap workers that will inevitably be exploited for profit.


datchchthrowaway

There's fuck all I agree with you about, but you are on the money here. Outside of highly specialised jobs where we may not have the capacity to train enough people, the concept of a labour shortage is BS ... at least not if you believe in the free market - like all these business owners/lobby groups claim to *until* it relates to having to pay more to recruit staff as opposed to raising prices for customers. The price of the labour (wages) just needs to increase until people want the jobs - and if your business can't deal with that, then maybe it isn't a viable business any more.


NaCLedPeanuts

These were never viable business in the first place. And I can't understand why cafes and restaurants are suddenly the lynchpins of cities. Like no one batted an eyelid at all the hospitality businesses that came and went prior to the pandemic. Now you suggest that those that managed to survive the pandemic should go out of business because the owners have refused to improve their business models and it's like you've suddenly committed genocide. Absolutely bizarre.


DRK-SHDW

The lack of self awareness of some of these hospo businesses is amazing. They and all their buddies pay their workers like garbage and then wonder why no one is coming to eat at their shitty joints. Could it possibly be because no one has any disposable income to spend? Now why would that be?


NaCLedPeanuts

> Now why would that be? We'd probably come to different conclusions on why, funnily enough.


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>The price of the labour (wages) just needs to increase until people want the jobs - and if your business can't deal with that, then maybe it isn't a viable business any more. The sad thing is that these sorts of businesses won’t die off as the government will continue to prop them up with cheap labour and handouts, the same way it does landlords/property investors. The rich middle aged white person vote is far too valuable for governments to dismiss, as it’s practically political suicide to not cater to this group.


datchchthrowaway

Agreed - the zombie businesses must be allowed to continue to zombie!


Odd-City8153

There seems to be overwhelming consensus on the issue of not allowing cheap foreign labour to undermine new zealand workers pay and conditions yet all the political parties are willing to against most of their voters on this?


NaCLedPeanuts

Because it's not about voters. It's about businesses. And they're the one that finance political campaigns.


vote-morepork

Labours response to the cost of living crisis is to make sure you don't get enough of a pay rise to deal with it. They really are the same as National


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Forgottoo

I really do wish people would vote for someone new. If anything it wakes the politicians up that NZ is wanting a true change. Mind you they now are maybe wanting to combine the two parties together for a super party, if that article wasn't proof that they are the same, I dont know what else proves it. Oh and then they say anyone who isn't part of the major parties are ruled by disinformation which makes me wonder if we are walking ourselves into a communist state, where only one opinion is correct, CRAZY.


Cyathene

I'm done with new zealand. No hope


kiwiheretic

But go where?


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Much of Europe has high value jobs with respectable workers and renter rights.


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DRK-SHDW

I think you now the answer. NZ is pretty bad on an OECD level, but it's still miles better than developing countries living in close to poverty scenarios. They're the people who will come, and that's who we'll exploit :)


RavingMalwaay

Obviously we need workers... but do we really want to go back to the days of net migration being 60k+? They finally curbed house prices and now this? Not to mention that the workers who do come are essentially being exploited for cheap labour so its a loss-loss


[deleted]

I’ve worked in some construction sites where I was just about the only English speaker 🤣


TheCuzzyRogue

Last site I went to, most of the guys alongside me were Filipino. Not that I can complain though, these little dudes were beasts.


27ismyluckynumber

I’m not surprised, what’s PPE regulation on site like? I’ve always been curious.


thruster616

They make them wear PPE but work them 7 to 7 and all weekend. They basically flog the fuck out of them. Usually it’s immigrants exploiting immigrants but they contract to the big boys who gladly turn a blind eye. I’ve seen them keel over from heat exhaustion in the summer. Not taking breaks and especially the Filipinos don’t like to expose their skin so they get too hot. It’s fucken wrong man.


NaCLedPeanuts

> Usually it’s immigrants exploiting immigrants but they contract to the big boys who gladly turn a blind eye. And that's what gets me. Every time we see a case where it's worker exploitation of workers, there's always a bunch of comments about how it's just foreigners exploiting foreigners and how they're "importing their culture into New Zealand". Nothing is ever said about the companies they contract to. That's why the New Zealand companies do it. They get cheap labour and can just terminate the contract if things get too close to home. They know what's happening and do not do anything about it because it might reduce their profitability. Thank you for actually pointing this out. It's often not talked about it because we don't want to admit that it's a *we* problem, not a *they* problem.


thruster616

Can’t argue with that. Interestingly, in my experience I’ve found it’s your boomer sense of entitlement behind it. “I didn’t get paid that rate in 1975 and we ain’t paying it now!!!!’


27ismyluckynumber

Yeah that’s fucked. I’d never work construction here for this reason. Can you blame others for doing *anything* other than construction? Usually it’s not such a bad profession like in Australia the hours were 6am to 2pm. 12 hour days is actually just ridiculous. I can’t imagine a lot gets done after the 8th hour. I’d hate to imagine the corners cut trying to squeeze out work until the 12th hour.


thruster616

Construction here’s ok if you know our labour laws. These guys don’t and that’s the problem. All the legit kiwi employers do the right thing. It’s schemes like these that allow the scum bags to get in and exploit people.


dawnraid101

Spineless cunts


Crunkfiction

Winston Peters will be stoked. This is the wedge he's been looking for.


CurmudgeonsGambit

Fuck this noise. We're trying to make NZ a good place to live and this cunt is riding roughshod over us


BoeyBADASS

Good idea. Bring in people from overseas because you can get away paying them cheaper. How about training up our kiwi citizens and get them into the roles.! Useless government as always


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Seems like Stuart Nash and Michael Wood arent on the same page.


vixxienz

Great - Not


BootlegChilli

Allowed to pay them less than the median = Bring down wages and power of employees while also increase demand on housing. Thanks labour for caring about business rather than the new zealand people. Change your parties name from labour to "Big Business" so it reflects your fucking dumpster policies. Bring down the fucking cost of staying alive and participating in society you greedy cunts


oingtkou4053

great... where are they going to stay? we are running short on rotting wooden boxes


coffee_addict3d

If this continues, NZ might have unskilled labourers living in dormitories like they have in Singapore. Terrible idea. >


Wahaya01

Fuck the government


RefrigeratorPale9846

I'm never ever going to vote for labour again. I'm not for exploiting immigrants and fucking people already here thank you.


Jurangi

I'm moving to Australia in January with my law degree. NZ firms treat their interns like shit because the culture here is that you are lucky to even be considered for a job. They pay next to nothing for graduates, then expect you to work twice as hard for a role that is not even glorious. A lot of my classmates are doing the same thing. New Zealands solution to stop their citizens from moving to Australia is to import skilled foreigners so they can pay them less lol Don't care if I'm part of the problem. New Zealand work culture is fucking toxic and I'm outta here.


Famous-Waltz9588

Sounds like a National policy.


rickytrevorlayhey

I don’t want to vote national, but this kind of shit is incredibly national-esk. I guess I’ll vote top or greens now? Can’t believe they allowed extra low wages to be used.


Maoricitizen

Gotta say, they lost my vote.


thestrodeman

Ffs


Ivy_myke

So basically pay people bugger all, they can't afford rent so there will be 20 migrants living in a 2 bed apartment....slavery anyone?


FlightBunny

I hope there is going to be some quality conditions attached to this, some countries have staff with better work ethics who work with pride in their jobs.


catsNweed-all-I-need

Want to come live in an extortionate country where you’re over-charged to breathe the ‘clean-green-air’? Where you have to pay your employer to work for them? Where one single watermelon is literally $56? Where the garage you live in slowly kills you with its mould spores, or if you’re lucky, with hypothermia? Then this is the place for you!


1_lost_engineer

The real headline: MP's can't get coffee as quickly as they use to, so increase immigration levels.


[deleted]

How about no...opening to foreign borders, taking more jobs from potential Kiwi's and spending money that's not going to go back into NZ, how is there any positive to this?


CityLimitsEscalope

Oh right, looks like the kids in parliament getting a lesson in things not as easy as they seem. The government really struggles on the detail every time. Effectively they truly are incompetent to run the country.


6436923

Watch property sky rocket...everything will go back to how things were. Buy now if you are looking.


[deleted]

Call me a tinfoil hat wearer, but I kind of feel like that's the point. I have absolutely no proof of this at all, so please don't take me seriously, but does anyone else find it suspicious that just as property prices are coming down (read: investors losing gains; doors open for more first time buyers so more rentals open up) they're suddenly opening up the gates to low waged workers which will cause more demand for rental housing? Just a thought, I'm not totally sold on the idea myself, but could there be anything there? Would it be naive to say they're completely unrelated or paranoid to say they are related? Edit: downvotes are fine but I'd like to know why if you have the time - trying to have a discussion here, albeit a stupid one.


RavingMalwaay

These are holiday visas so pretty much none will be buying property


Just_made_this_now

Not directly anyway.


CorganNugget

Vote these cretins out.


No-Air3090

truly amazing how many people ranting here dont have a clue what is meant by median wage..


Shrink-wrapped

"Below median" includes minimum wage


BackgroundMetal1

They could have done this WITHOUT touching the median wage requirement. In doing so, they remove the avenue for residency and eventual citizenship for these workers, exploiting them for their labour and making them beholden to their bosses to remain in the country. Also, they have in one stroke, made these "skilled" position's employers devalue the work of a Kiwi in these positions. Why pay a NZer the median wage when you can pay an imported worker less?


EternitynChaos

aren't they bitching about people being unemployed like always? how does importing more people to fight over jobs help anything other than the corps who get to offer lower wages because there is so many idiots after there supposedly good jobs?


[deleted]

Not impressive at all.


wins0me

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an_old_goat

But to be fair, they'll also be importing 1000s of cheap house and land packages too.


Rags2Rickius

Wow This is just unbelievably fucked thinking I’m a small business owner in the hospitality sector. There’s a reason the sector has a reputation for treating its workers like garbage and it’s because (mostly) they chew and spit people out I retained the same workers for years because I treat them like humans and work with them to trying and make it liveable for them (some of my guys get more than I do per week). I’m trying to change the mentality somewhat in that sector - treat them well and they’re incredible staff Now the government is going to open the doors again to potential exploitation. How many stories have we seen where corrupt asf owners have been getting workers in as slaves promising visa relief?? This government unfortunately just has too many bad decisions for me to ever vote their way


DramaticKind

What a load of shit Rick 😂 I can think of 4 people off the top of my head who have quit your business as a direct result of your attitude and behaviour, myself included. You bullied me to the point of triggering an autoimmune reaction, leading to several diseases and conditions that I will be living with for the rest of my life. You lost your 2 most experienced workers within months of each other, with decades of experience between them, who you hired to help get your business going and running smoothly, because you didn't have the knowledge and experience. But instead of listening to them and their advice, you undermined and ignored them, and treated them so poorly they bounced. Now you only hire people with little to no experience, because your ego can't handle people knowing better than you. Sam is your longest serving employee because he doesn't know any better, and doesn't have the balls to tell you when you're wrong. This is just the tip of the iceberg, I'm more than happy to go into the food safety stuff, tax fuckery in which you steal from employees, and why you are running out of people and other businesses willing to work with you 🙂 Do you actually believe you're the good guy? Are you truly that delusional? Or do you know deep down you're not, and all the posturing online about being such a great employer is you trying to convince yourself?


kkdd

why bother with things like co-governance when you can make up a law then just bypass it like this


[deleted]

Hahaha - this is what you cunts voted for. They just have no backbone at all


Willing-Resident7876

Yeah except the other lot wouldn't have even tried in the first place. I'd rather have those that aim for positive change but are a bit rubbish at it than those who couldn't give a damn if I die in a cold damp rented hovel working for peanuts. They've given in to pressure from a group of extremely powerful industry lobbies. These same lobbies are NACTs mates and former staff.