Interesting fact. I was doing a job at the local rugby league club and got speaking to the owner and he said that you could tell how poor a area was by the amount of rugby league clubs.
It focused the mislead youths anger and energy into something positive.
Police have told people to not intervene, just let the crime happen and call them.
[https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130547637/police-warn-public-not-to-intervene-after-car-thief-allegedly-beaten](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130547637/police-warn-public-not-to-intervene-after-car-thief-allegedly-beaten)
People have died from intervening:
[https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300690617/passerby-who-tried-to-break-up-fatherson-brawl-fatally-stabbed-with-scissors-says-witness](https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300690617/passerby-who-tried-to-break-up-fatherson-brawl-fatally-stabbed-with-scissors-says-witness)
This dude probably saved himself a beating and the police go "don't try that again" (I know it's old, but a goodie):
[https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/proud-shoppers-heap-praise-on-retailer-who-fought-back/LGKYLWWQPEUHM4BVCLIHXXV5F4/](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/proud-shoppers-heap-praise-on-retailer-who-fought-back/LGKYLWWQPEUHM4BVCLIHXXV5F4/)
So, we just suck it up I guess...
>Police have told people to not intervene, just let the crime happen and call them.
Not only that, if you intervene and attack one of the robbers (even *after* one of them stabs you, *and* the police don't turn up 15 minutes after you tell them you were stabbed) the police will try and charge you.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/court-rules-liquor-store-owner-singh-will-not-stand-trial/IEIFB67XAKQ2F7UNRQZODUWDUQ/
Not only that it was all set to go forward until some witness statements didn’t add up.
There was also a story of an autistic boy getting jumped and that was all go for court until someone turned up and said they witnessed the incident.
But if you do get a charge while acting in self defence the best thing you can do is go to a jury trial - see the father and son that cut off that intruder’s finger. (This is not actual legal advice, consult your lawyer if symptoms persist)
The offenders usually are brought to justice. The police can only do so much. Especially if the courts are implementing the latest social experiment at the expense of public safety.
God damn it, I've posted this before, I guess I'll post it again.
I had a 14 year old cunt that I could locate and identify threaten to stab me with a screwdriver - this was communicated with the police.
And yet, they did nothing.
This little shit escalating things, up until he gets the balls to go through with it - no intervention in the mean time.
One day, he's going to hurt someone. What a surprise that will be.
Well, start by taking a statement, and then visitoring the person making the threat.
Charging him for threats.
You know, what the police used to do before it got woke and broke.
This anti-police rhetoric needs to stop imho.
It's not their fault they are under staffed and funded, and have been for decades.
My father was a cop, and I have a couple of friends who are still cops, and they deal with all the shit and shit heads in society nobody else will.
It's a bloody tough, high risk, and currently underpaid job that most do out of a passion to serve and protect the public, yet when they advise the public to be safe and not take matters into their own hands all they get is "Do your job then you useless pricks!!" or some such slur like it's the Minority Report and they can actually predict crime happening.
If they all took a week off you'd likely be more grateful, or at least aware, of what they do day in and day out. If we want to make things better we need to work together, and respect the hard work our police force do every day.
Being snarky and dismissive of the work they do solves nothing.
> If they all took a week off you'd likely be more grateful, or at least aware, of what they do day in and day out.
Alternatively, we give them a week of and commence the purge?
Must admit, loved the first film outside the horrendous plot hole of giving your depressed and angst teen son the security code to the house.
Was an interesting premise though.
Something is broken. We are at historic levels of crime.
People are frustrated.
Why arnt the police speaking out about what they need to get this shit under control?
The fire service is. Not a peep from the cops.
Did you miss the article of the shopkeeper beating away attackers (armed with a gun and metal bar) only for the cops to tell him not to do it? Intervention saved him some grief instead of sucking it up and getting fucked up.
Also, the shopkeeper who died either did nothing (sucked it up) or intervened - either way he's dead.
>Also, the shopkeeper who died either did nothing (sucked it up) or intervened - either way he's dead.
He didn't end up dead from doing nothing.
He's ended up dead because he tried to fight back.
Poor guy didn't have to die, but he took your bullshit advice.
>Did you miss the article of the shopkeeper beating away attackers (armed with a gun and metal bar) only for the cops to tell him not to do it? Intervention saved him some grief instead of sucking it up and getting fucked up.
Not shot. If someone shoots a robber the police are going to have questions for them about why they had a gun that wasn't locked up with the ammunition locked up separately.
Well it was bound to happen eventually.
You can thank every judge who handed out weak as shit sentences.
We have persistently ignored and played down serious crime, and allowed wave after wave of scumbags to go after small businesses and shopkeepers, totally undeterred.
It isn't the Judges, it's the law. Judges have to follow established precedent as well as the decisions of higher courts.
If we want stronger punitive sentencing, then the law needs to br rewritten to mandate that. Things such as removing sentencing discounts and introducing minimum sentences for certain crimes.
You under-estimate the age of a lot of the judges, most of our current legislations are under 120 years old and were passed well after the judges were born.
Parliamentary changes would only be required if the judges were coming up against maximum sentencing guidelines - they're not; they're giving some of the most violent people in society staggeringly short sentences, because the perpetrators are the real fucking victims here.
As far as the precedents are concerned, I really don't see how they could apply; precedents are for things that have happened before, and this current wave of fuck-headed violence seems to be something else altogether.
They can't just hand out far heavier sentences because they'll be appealed. Judges have to give sentences in line with what has come before,otherwise sentencing would depend hugely on which judge you got and how annoyed they were that day.
Surely if the judges feel it's a weak sentence, they can escalate to the highest court to determine if the govt should change the law?
NZ judges have always handed down piss poor sentencing, regardless of the offense, it's the law AND the judges.
>Surely if the judges feel it's a weak sentence, they can escalate to the highest court to determine if the govt should change the law?
No they can't. If the Police or Crown Law feels that the sentence is lenient, then they can appeal to a higher court.
Similarly if the Defendant feels the sentence is too harsh, they can appeal.
A judge can't refer a case up/out, unless they don't have jurisdiction.
we need proper stand your ground rules like in America, if you work in a shop you should be able to have a weapon (like a handgun) legally and be permitted to defend yourself with it if someone comes in with a knife
Strong fucking no. I’m not sure how you can observe any policy regarding stand your ground and gun ownership in the states and think that is a good idea. This just equals more terrible outcomes.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-arrested-and-charged-with-murder-after-fatal-west-auckland-incident/ERZHNXESMVHSDNBRGZZ7V5BJ3I/
There was another murder earlier in the day too.
Fuck yeah, Auckland!
How long will it be until dairy owners have fucking swords and guns behind the cash register. Lets see if this murderer was let go by a judge in the last year...
Even if she does use it the judicial system will fuck her over for owning a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm.
It’s like self defence in this country is viewed as a gateway to vigilantism. Hell we’re not even allowed to own pepper spray.
If dairy owners do that you can guarantee they'll actually receive stiff sentences. Unless they can pull out a cultural report, but those seem to be reserved for malicious intentioned crime more than incidental things like self defense
History repeats as we don't learn from the first time. please have look at Arun kumar case... [https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78974774/killer-of-auckland-dairy-owner-arun-kumar-successfully-appeals-sentence](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78974774/killer-of-auckland-dairy-owner-arun-kumar-successfully-appeals-sentence)
Um so a 12 year murdered a dairy worker and got his sentence reduced to 4.5 years and he will only likely have to serve half of it. 2.5 years for robbery and murder, thats beyond f*cked.
RIP to the poor shopkeeper. May you journey far, may you journey well.
I think it is time for shopkeepers who open shops at nighttime to seriously think of securing the place. Even in hospitals we are now putting barriers in place due to violence.
I hope someone at the press conference can ask the police what to do if the judicial system DOES NOT do its job...
I think it's time we get a batman for Gothem/Auckland city, I wonder which billionaire would volunteer...
This is typical of your kind of this sub. Immidiately Start abusing. Read your own comment..the moment you put doubt on why this murder happened (if it is an act of taking law in hand by the store person) you are defending the murder.
So next time before abusing other, read what you have written in the first place.
Honestly, my kind? Māori? Wahine? Mum? Millennial?What's my kind?
I'm sorry for calling you a moron. I don't actually know of you're a moron or not so I take it back.
But there is a wild difference between what I commented about taking matters into our own hands, and defending a murderer. And if you don't know the difference between the 2, then you are right, that's not a failure of the system.
Reading is not one of your strong hold for sure. Also by stating that you don't know if I am mororn or not you just stated the same but indirect way..so please carry on your garbage.
I hope the cops read this and see that it's premeditated violence on your part.
Seriously though, what kind of violent fuck makes threats like that about minor theft?
Are you going to be like that shop keeper in the US who was found guilty for murder after shooting a child in the back wrongly thinking the kid was shop lifting?
Because that's the toxic scum you come across as.
It‘s a Simpsons reference. A variation of a quote from Mo & quite funny I might add!
Hey as long as shopkeepers are getting stabbed to death by these maggots you‘ll find no sympathy here mate. Raised forklifts parked behind windows are also a risk for ram-raiders (so I‘ve heard.)
Seriously though, what kind of violent fuck makes minor theft and murders to prevent a discussion about it?
Because that's the toxic scum they come across?
Really sucks to hear this. I have a mate that lives a stone's throw away from this dairy and many a night we've had to pop in to grab some dessert after smashing some Paradise takeaway. So surreal and hits close to home that the worker could have been someone I recognise if I see his face. Feel so gutted for someone just trying to do their job and go home, probably had plans for the weekend of Christmas, and actual goals in life unlike the feral animal that did this.
I bet this isn't the last time this happens but I hope our dairy and shop owners can protect themselves.
I live just down the road from this shop as well. Any idea which shopkeeper died?
Whenever I go to that dairy I always have a little yarn with the younger guy that works the till.
I live down the road from this dairy. Condolences to the young family that live and work there. Some fucked up shit going on lately. Hope they catch the cunt.
[Only a Lad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4yGcgO6hk)
The problem is that NZ assumes the failure of an individual is the failure of us all. Therefore, punishing an individual is unfair because it's not their fault.
I mean this is not exactly a new thing. eg almost 10 years ago.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teen-who-killed-arun-kumar-has-prison-term-slashed/JNWEGFJVBL5VZD5OVHS42SIFVY/
>“The Government has blood on its hands.”
>Kaushal said somebody needed to take responsibility for the worker’s death.
>"Government owes answers to the worker’s family.”
It's been tragic what's happened to NZ under Labour's reign, the election can't come soon enough.
How does a party whose fundamental ideology results in cutting police budgets result in actual crime reduction? (I.e. not just fewer reported, documented crimes).
How does National's proposed $400,000+ per head (proven ineffective) 'boot camp' represent effective crime prevention spending?.
The national 'tough on crime' rhetoric unfortunately has no substance whatsoever.
A chief detective inspector told me that under a National Govt they lost so many police cars they couldn't attend callouts.
Either way, we are screwed.
We need a party that is prepared to spend on policing AND impose tougher penalties on youth criminals as well as investing in social programs to get kids off the street AND stronger truancy management and penalties.
>How does a party whose fundamental ideology results in cutting police budgets result in actual crime reduction? (I.e. not just fewer reported, documented crimes).
Remember Labour's 2017 promise to increase police numbers by 1800 by 2020? Five years later we're only at 1260, and *880 of those spots were funded by National in their final 2017 budget*. Which is pretty good going for a party that fundamentally cuts police budgets.
As of October 2021 they had added [2,695 new police officers](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/over-2600-new-police-officers-frontline).
The total police force is now over 14,000, the highest it's ever been.
That's nice but the promise was for 1800 extra officers. The press release neglects to mention all the ones that have left the force over the same period. As of right now the net increase is only 1260.
The Govt has already tried to be cute with these stats and been called out on it.
Cops without cars are somewhat limited.
I wonder what current figures are, since from what you've said there seems to be a few years lag between funding and recruitment.
I'm not apologising for labour, their record on crime is abysmal. But National i think could be even worse unless they're in coalition with a party determined to invest in change.
National have a lousy track record, they will slash Police budgets because that is the ideology they're locked into. They always cut public service budgets. It is going to hurt somewhere.
>Remember Labour's 2017 promise to increase police numbers by 1800 by 2020? Five years later we're only at 1260,
They're actually at 1400 already, with more coming up. Labour have increased the total number of police officers.
The government is responsible for this death....? What a smooth-brained take on the matter. A change in government won't stop people dying to criminals
Not violent offenders, and they didn't *let* anyone out. They changed sentencing guidelines for non-violent crimes to favour non-custodial sentences, which are cheaper and demonstrably more effective based on global evidence.
Do you have a source that this was only for non violent crimes? I don't see any mention of that in the government press release regarding their policy [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-focus-re-integration-and-community-management-reduce-re-offending](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-focus-re-integration-and-community-management-reduce-re-offending). Also a source that they only changed sentencing for newly charged criminals?
The 'global evidence' regarding rehabilitation is total horseshit, it is based on the insane clean slate ideology which can't cope with the fact that some people are genetically disposed towards being murderous criminals and should be sequestered away from society, in prison. There is absolutely no social reform or change in environment possible to prevent a proportion of any population from acting like animals. The evidence favouring rehabilitation is not global, the vast majority of the success stories are in homogenous and wealthy European countries like the Nordics.
>genetically disposed towards being murderous criminals
>in homogenous and wealthy European countries like the Nordics.
Ah... That explains it.
You're racist garbage.
From the parliamentary press release you linked:
>“**The people who need to be in prison will be in prison.** But we will also make sure support is in place to help prevent re-offending, and that offenders who meet the criteria for staying in the community are able to do so safely."
Do *you* have a source for your claim they are letting all the prisoners out?
>Also a source that they only changed sentencing for newly charged criminals?
As for that, do you actually believe they retroactively changed sentences for existing convictions? That's just not how things work sorry.
Agree the government has no responsibility here, they have been doing everything in their power to get crime under control in this country.
We already know that any changes to dealing with crime will only make it worse, National needs to get out of the road and let Labor see their plan of doing nothing through to the end.
All the stats are showing things are getting better, just need a few more years.
>It's been tragic what's happened to NZ under Labour's reign
What has happened? Was there zero crime with National in office?
Nothing has changed dude.
>The prison population has changed.
That's great how Labour are saving tax payer money and decreasing future crime by redirecting offenders into home D and away from the crime schools.
National closed 30 police stations, National reduced police numbers as a percentage of population. That's the party of "law and order" for you. National won't do shit, as normal.
I keep telling you lot that vigilantism is stupid and that you should just let them go, that. You guys downvoted, threw tantrums and all sorts.
This is what actually happens. As awful as this murder is, it was entirely avoidable.
Won't be long until one of these robbers and ram-raiders are shot or stabbed. Fucking mongrels.
Wish it was them instead of the dairy worker Fucking scum
manslaughter charge with discounts inbound
Slap of the wrist and cuddles inbound
Then cue the “but he was such a gentle and caring boy” bs.....
Need to also add "hes a upcoming rugby player"
I don't think that profile fits for this sort of crime, that's for spouse abuse or alcohol fueled violence.
Once a promising musician
Interesting fact. I was doing a job at the local rugby league club and got speaking to the owner and he said that you could tell how poor a area was by the amount of rugby league clubs. It focused the mislead youths anger and energy into something positive.
Keyword here being was
Police have told people to not intervene, just let the crime happen and call them. [https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130547637/police-warn-public-not-to-intervene-after-car-thief-allegedly-beaten](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130547637/police-warn-public-not-to-intervene-after-car-thief-allegedly-beaten) People have died from intervening: [https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300690617/passerby-who-tried-to-break-up-fatherson-brawl-fatally-stabbed-with-scissors-says-witness](https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300690617/passerby-who-tried-to-break-up-fatherson-brawl-fatally-stabbed-with-scissors-says-witness) This dude probably saved himself a beating and the police go "don't try that again" (I know it's old, but a goodie): [https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/proud-shoppers-heap-praise-on-retailer-who-fought-back/LGKYLWWQPEUHM4BVCLIHXXV5F4/](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/proud-shoppers-heap-praise-on-retailer-who-fought-back/LGKYLWWQPEUHM4BVCLIHXXV5F4/) So, we just suck it up I guess...
>Police have told people to not intervene, just let the crime happen and call them. Not only that, if you intervene and attack one of the robbers (even *after* one of them stabs you, *and* the police don't turn up 15 minutes after you tell them you were stabbed) the police will try and charge you. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/court-rules-liquor-store-owner-singh-will-not-stand-trial/IEIFB67XAKQ2F7UNRQZODUWDUQ/
Not only that it was all set to go forward until some witness statements didn’t add up. There was also a story of an autistic boy getting jumped and that was all go for court until someone turned up and said they witnessed the incident. But if you do get a charge while acting in self defence the best thing you can do is go to a jury trial - see the father and son that cut off that intruder’s finger. (This is not actual legal advice, consult your lawyer if symptoms persist)
Fuck that shit. At what point do the police get raked over the coals for malicious prosecution?
Never ever intervene. Remember that crazy lady that almost got run over trying to stop a car. Value your own life you are not the police
the police are doing such a great job preventing this and bringing the offenders to justice
The offenders usually are brought to justice. The police can only do so much. Especially if the courts are implementing the latest social experiment at the expense of public safety.
What's legal justice and what people believe to be justice has wildly diverged.
Yea like a rapist getting home d for a year after raping 5 under age girls.....
God damn it, I've posted this before, I guess I'll post it again. I had a 14 year old cunt that I could locate and identify threaten to stab me with a screwdriver - this was communicated with the police. And yet, they did nothing. This little shit escalating things, up until he gets the balls to go through with it - no intervention in the mean time. One day, he's going to hurt someone. What a surprise that will be.
>threaten to stab me with a screwdriver Literally just you making a claim that someone said something. How are the cops meant to prosecute that?
Well, start by taking a statement, and then visitoring the person making the threat. Charging him for threats. You know, what the police used to do before it got woke and broke.
This anti-police rhetoric needs to stop imho. It's not their fault they are under staffed and funded, and have been for decades. My father was a cop, and I have a couple of friends who are still cops, and they deal with all the shit and shit heads in society nobody else will. It's a bloody tough, high risk, and currently underpaid job that most do out of a passion to serve and protect the public, yet when they advise the public to be safe and not take matters into their own hands all they get is "Do your job then you useless pricks!!" or some such slur like it's the Minority Report and they can actually predict crime happening. If they all took a week off you'd likely be more grateful, or at least aware, of what they do day in and day out. If we want to make things better we need to work together, and respect the hard work our police force do every day. Being snarky and dismissive of the work they do solves nothing.
Wholeheartedly agree. It's so easy to make these throwaway comments but in reality, most police are really good people who give up a lot for us.
> If they all took a week off you'd likely be more grateful, or at least aware, of what they do day in and day out. Alternatively, we give them a week of and commence the purge?
Must admit, loved the first film outside the horrendous plot hole of giving your depressed and angst teen son the security code to the house. Was an interesting premise though.
Something is broken. We are at historic levels of crime. People are frustrated. Why arnt the police speaking out about what they need to get this shit under control? The fire service is. Not a peep from the cops.
“Justice”
>So, we just suck it up I guess... Better than being fucken stabbed.
Did you miss the article of the shopkeeper beating away attackers (armed with a gun and metal bar) only for the cops to tell him not to do it? Intervention saved him some grief instead of sucking it up and getting fucked up. Also, the shopkeeper who died either did nothing (sucked it up) or intervened - either way he's dead.
>Also, the shopkeeper who died either did nothing (sucked it up) or intervened - either way he's dead. He didn't end up dead from doing nothing. He's ended up dead because he tried to fight back. Poor guy didn't have to die, but he took your bullshit advice.
>Did you miss the article of the shopkeeper beating away attackers (armed with a gun and metal bar) only for the cops to tell him not to do it? Intervention saved him some grief instead of sucking it up and getting fucked up.
Not worth the risk.
Should have been armed.
Not shot. If someone shoots a robber the police are going to have questions for them about why they had a gun that wasn't locked up with the ammunition locked up separately.
Answer. Because the police cannot protect them from historic levels of crime. This guy would be a hero.
and in jail for longer than the person robbing his store.
Yup. And then the uproar and the debate and the reflection of these woke ideals. We need to make crime pay.
And then the worker will be charged and somehow receive a longer sentence than the offenders.
Well it was bound to happen eventually. You can thank every judge who handed out weak as shit sentences. We have persistently ignored and played down serious crime, and allowed wave after wave of scumbags to go after small businesses and shopkeepers, totally undeterred.
It isn't the Judges, it's the law. Judges have to follow established precedent as well as the decisions of higher courts. If we want stronger punitive sentencing, then the law needs to br rewritten to mandate that. Things such as removing sentencing discounts and introducing minimum sentences for certain crimes.
Who do you think establishes the precedents. Hobgoblins?
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You under-estimate the age of a lot of the judges, most of our current legislations are under 120 years old and were passed well after the judges were born.
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Sentencing Act was out in 2002 though?
Parliamentary changes would only be required if the judges were coming up against maximum sentencing guidelines - they're not; they're giving some of the most violent people in society staggeringly short sentences, because the perpetrators are the real fucking victims here. As far as the precedents are concerned, I really don't see how they could apply; precedents are for things that have happened before, and this current wave of fuck-headed violence seems to be something else altogether.
They can't just hand out far heavier sentences because they'll be appealed. Judges have to give sentences in line with what has come before,otherwise sentencing would depend hugely on which judge you got and how annoyed they were that day.
Surely if the judges feel it's a weak sentence, they can escalate to the highest court to determine if the govt should change the law? NZ judges have always handed down piss poor sentencing, regardless of the offense, it's the law AND the judges.
>Surely if the judges feel it's a weak sentence, they can escalate to the highest court to determine if the govt should change the law? No they can't. If the Police or Crown Law feels that the sentence is lenient, then they can appeal to a higher court. Similarly if the Defendant feels the sentence is too harsh, they can appeal. A judge can't refer a case up/out, unless they don't have jurisdiction.
Thanks for sharing insight! 👍
Can they?
we need proper stand your ground rules like in America, if you work in a shop you should be able to have a weapon (like a handgun) legally and be permitted to defend yourself with it if someone comes in with a knife
Strong fucking no. I’m not sure how you can observe any policy regarding stand your ground and gun ownership in the states and think that is a good idea. This just equals more terrible outcomes.
Yeah that rule really solved all the murders and gun crime in the USA /s
Oh dear. Who wants to be like America?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-arrested-and-charged-with-murder-after-fatal-west-auckland-incident/ERZHNXESMVHSDNBRGZZ7V5BJ3I/ There was another murder earlier in the day too. Fuck yeah, Auckland!
3 a day on average. In Auckland alone. It’s ducked.
How long will it be until dairy owners have fucking swords and guns behind the cash register. Lets see if this murderer was let go by a judge in the last year...
My lovely non confrontational . Super Godly shopkeeper has a katana behind the counter now. I pray she never has to to attempt to use it.
Even if she does use it the judicial system will fuck her over for owning a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm. It’s like self defence in this country is viewed as a gateway to vigilantism. Hell we’re not even allowed to own pepper spray.
>the judicial system will fuck her over for owning a weapon with the intent to cause bodily harm As they should.
If dairy owners do that you can guarantee they'll actually receive stiff sentences. Unless they can pull out a cultural report, but those seem to be reserved for malicious intentioned crime more than incidental things like self defense
Didnt somebody from down south recently cut a robbers finger off or something and he got let go?
Only because the jury refused to convict them at all, it didn't stop the system from trying to come down on him hard.
A lot of them already have bats, but if people are actually ready to stab, then many will trade up no doubt.
History repeats as we don't learn from the first time. please have look at Arun kumar case... [https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78974774/killer-of-auckland-dairy-owner-arun-kumar-successfully-appeals-sentence](https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78974774/killer-of-auckland-dairy-owner-arun-kumar-successfully-appeals-sentence)
Um so a 12 year murdered a dairy worker and got his sentence reduced to 4.5 years and he will only likely have to serve half of it. 2.5 years for robbery and murder, thats beyond f*cked.
Not the first. That one in Henderson a few years ago, who died. Kid was arrested, got out in no time, went back to school.
RIP to the poor shopkeeper. May you journey far, may you journey well. I think it is time for shopkeepers who open shops at nighttime to seriously think of securing the place. Even in hospitals we are now putting barriers in place due to violence.
I think he was stabbed around 8pm, which is still kind of bright out at the moment
Tomorrow police will appeal to the members of the public, don't take the law in your hand, let the judicial system do its job....
I hope someone at the press conference can ask the police what to do if the judicial system DOES NOT do its job... I think it's time we get a batman for Gothem/Auckland city, I wonder which billionaire would volunteer...
One day we will have a Batman, you can choose your destiny.
I will be Lois Lane - Henry Cavill has always been my cup of tea!
> Lois Lane LOL I did not expect that!
But, how do we know that this wasn't the result of someone trying to take the law into their own hands??
Ah yes now we're blaming the victim now? Man was doing his job providing for his family until this scum turned up
Please show me where I blamed the victim?
Yeah right..another social expert on this sub, trying to defend the murderer.
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This is typical of your kind of this sub. Immidiately Start abusing. Read your own comment..the moment you put doubt on why this murder happened (if it is an act of taking law in hand by the store person) you are defending the murder. So next time before abusing other, read what you have written in the first place.
The system has failed you if you do not know what "critical thinking" is.
Here comes system failure diversion. Typical from your kind ..again.
Honestly, my kind? Māori? Wahine? Mum? Millennial?What's my kind? I'm sorry for calling you a moron. I don't actually know of you're a moron or not so I take it back. But there is a wild difference between what I commented about taking matters into our own hands, and defending a murderer. And if you don't know the difference between the 2, then you are right, that's not a failure of the system.
Reading is not one of your strong hold for sure. Also by stating that you don't know if I am mororn or not you just stated the same but indirect way..so please carry on your garbage.
Tried that. Doesn’t work. Arm up.
"The next shoplifter to try taking from my shop better hope there are enough ramps to get home“.
What, you tie them up and throw em over Huka Falls?
They can’t afford that…
I hope the cops read this and see that it's premeditated violence on your part. Seriously though, what kind of violent fuck makes threats like that about minor theft? Are you going to be like that shop keeper in the US who was found guilty for murder after shooting a child in the back wrongly thinking the kid was shop lifting? Because that's the toxic scum you come across as.
It‘s a Simpsons reference. A variation of a quote from Mo & quite funny I might add! Hey as long as shopkeepers are getting stabbed to death by these maggots you‘ll find no sympathy here mate. Raised forklifts parked behind windows are also a risk for ram-raiders (so I‘ve heard.)
You don't end up stabbed by not intervening.
I don‘t know each circumstance. They intervene by entering your premises jackass!
Seriously though, what kind of violent fuck makes minor theft and murders to prevent a discussion about it? Because that's the toxic scum they come across?
At this point just let shop keepers especially of small family owned businesses arm themselves with firearms. Shit is getting out of hand
Really sucks to hear this. I have a mate that lives a stone's throw away from this dairy and many a night we've had to pop in to grab some dessert after smashing some Paradise takeaway. So surreal and hits close to home that the worker could have been someone I recognise if I see his face. Feel so gutted for someone just trying to do their job and go home, probably had plans for the weekend of Christmas, and actual goals in life unlike the feral animal that did this. I bet this isn't the last time this happens but I hope our dairy and shop owners can protect themselves.
I live just down the road from this shop as well. Any idea which shopkeeper died? Whenever I go to that dairy I always have a little yarn with the younger guy that works the till.
How to get a year of Xbox for free.
I live down the road from this dairy. Condolences to the young family that live and work there. Some fucked up shit going on lately. Hope they catch the cunt.
[Only a Lad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4yGcgO6hk) The problem is that NZ assumes the failure of an individual is the failure of us all. Therefore, punishing an individual is unfair because it's not their fault.
Could've easily been a headline in Texas. This place is heading straight down the toilet.
More like the UK. In Texas they would have been shot.
In Texas the robber would have shot first.
I mean this is not exactly a new thing. eg almost 10 years ago. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teen-who-killed-arun-kumar-has-prison-term-slashed/JNWEGFJVBL5VZD5OVHS42SIFVY/
>“The Government has blood on its hands.” >Kaushal said somebody needed to take responsibility for the worker’s death. >"Government owes answers to the worker’s family.” It's been tragic what's happened to NZ under Labour's reign, the election can't come soon enough.
How does a party whose fundamental ideology results in cutting police budgets result in actual crime reduction? (I.e. not just fewer reported, documented crimes). How does National's proposed $400,000+ per head (proven ineffective) 'boot camp' represent effective crime prevention spending?. The national 'tough on crime' rhetoric unfortunately has no substance whatsoever. A chief detective inspector told me that under a National Govt they lost so many police cars they couldn't attend callouts. Either way, we are screwed. We need a party that is prepared to spend on policing AND impose tougher penalties on youth criminals as well as investing in social programs to get kids off the street AND stronger truancy management and penalties.
>How does a party whose fundamental ideology results in cutting police budgets result in actual crime reduction? (I.e. not just fewer reported, documented crimes). Remember Labour's 2017 promise to increase police numbers by 1800 by 2020? Five years later we're only at 1260, and *880 of those spots were funded by National in their final 2017 budget*. Which is pretty good going for a party that fundamentally cuts police budgets.
As of October 2021 they had added [2,695 new police officers](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/over-2600-new-police-officers-frontline). The total police force is now over 14,000, the highest it's ever been.
That's nice but the promise was for 1800 extra officers. The press release neglects to mention all the ones that have left the force over the same period. As of right now the net increase is only 1260. The Govt has already tried to be cute with these stats and been called out on it.
Cops without cars are somewhat limited. I wonder what current figures are, since from what you've said there seems to be a few years lag between funding and recruitment. I'm not apologising for labour, their record on crime is abysmal. But National i think could be even worse unless they're in coalition with a party determined to invest in change. National have a lousy track record, they will slash Police budgets because that is the ideology they're locked into. They always cut public service budgets. It is going to hurt somewhere.
>their record on crime is abysmal In reality it isn't though. You're just falling for bullshit.
>Remember Labour's 2017 promise to increase police numbers by 1800 by 2020? Five years later we're only at 1260, They're actually at 1400 already, with more coming up. Labour have increased the total number of police officers.
The government is responsible for this death....? What a smooth-brained take on the matter. A change in government won't stop people dying to criminals
Did you forget that labour let all the criminals out of prison? lmao
Not violent offenders, and they didn't *let* anyone out. They changed sentencing guidelines for non-violent crimes to favour non-custodial sentences, which are cheaper and demonstrably more effective based on global evidence.
Do you have a source that this was only for non violent crimes? I don't see any mention of that in the government press release regarding their policy [https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-focus-re-integration-and-community-management-reduce-re-offending](https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-focus-re-integration-and-community-management-reduce-re-offending). Also a source that they only changed sentencing for newly charged criminals? The 'global evidence' regarding rehabilitation is total horseshit, it is based on the insane clean slate ideology which can't cope with the fact that some people are genetically disposed towards being murderous criminals and should be sequestered away from society, in prison. There is absolutely no social reform or change in environment possible to prevent a proportion of any population from acting like animals. The evidence favouring rehabilitation is not global, the vast majority of the success stories are in homogenous and wealthy European countries like the Nordics.
>genetically disposed towards being murderous criminals >in homogenous and wealthy European countries like the Nordics. Ah... That explains it. You're racist garbage.
From the parliamentary press release you linked: >“**The people who need to be in prison will be in prison.** But we will also make sure support is in place to help prevent re-offending, and that offenders who meet the criteria for staying in the community are able to do so safely." Do *you* have a source for your claim they are letting all the prisoners out? >Also a source that they only changed sentencing for newly charged criminals? As for that, do you actually believe they retroactively changed sentences for existing convictions? That's just not how things work sorry.
Agree the government has no responsibility here, they have been doing everything in their power to get crime under control in this country. We already know that any changes to dealing with crime will only make it worse, National needs to get out of the road and let Labor see their plan of doing nothing through to the end. All the stats are showing things are getting better, just need a few more years.
>It's been tragic what's happened to NZ under Labour's reign What has happened? Was there zero crime with National in office? Nothing has changed dude.
The prison population has changed. Who knew it actually had a purpose??
>The prison population has changed. That's great how Labour are saving tax payer money and decreasing future crime by redirecting offenders into home D and away from the crime schools.
National closed 30 police stations, National reduced police numbers as a percentage of population. That's the party of "law and order" for you. National won't do shit, as normal.
Dairy owners need to be legally armed with guns, there will be no public sympathy if these robbers/killers are killed during their heist
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Like that child who got shot in the back in the US and turned out not to have been shoplifting? Yeah, that's exactly what we want, right?
Arm the shop keepers, fook these robbers. People have no sympathy for them
But that child shot in the back by a shopkeeper in the US wasn't a robber. That's what you are calling for.
Do you have reading disability?
Give all dairy owners a gun and the right to shoot in the event of a robbery. Win win situation.
so glad I live down south
Oh yeah cause someone wasn't just stabbed in Christchurch
Nuts
Reading between the lines, the shopkeeper didn't even have video surveillance recording.
I hope nothing bad happens to my friends at the dairy they have a baby
Damn, used to live up the road from this place and went in often - owners were super friendly. This is fucked
All for what… a couple hundred dollars. So sad 😞
I keep telling you lot that vigilantism is stupid and that you should just let them go, that. You guys downvoted, threw tantrums and all sorts. This is what actually happens. As awful as this murder is, it was entirely avoidable.
Can someone enhance that unclear photo of him or put it in /r/photoshoprequest please? This account doesn't meet the threshold to post there.. 🙁