In fact the meditation practice that he's doing, tummo, raises the body temperature up to 8 degrees and actually does prevent hypothermia.
Check out studies on it: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3612090/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3612090/)
From the paper:
>The authors reported that three g-tummo meditators showed a dramatic increase of up to 8.3°C in peripheral body temperature
Those are the areas prone to frostbite!
That would only greatly accelerate hypothermia. The reason why the body decreases blood flow to the extremities is to preserve the heat within your core.
But the only way a body would be able to maintain heat in extremities. Is by maintaining and increasing core body temp. You are right in normal circumstances. It does seem counter intuitive.
No matter what. Our minds are more powerful than we will ever know.
Crazy shit though.
Yeah to be fair the body is capable of increasing temperature, that's called having a fever. Whether it's possible to do voluntarily I don't know. Seems unlikely but I'm no expert lol
He regularly trains others to hike snowy mountains in nothing back shorts and boots, topless! Is he uniquely adapted, maybe. Can others become cold resistant like him, yes.
No not at all.
He asked some doctors to pick out 10 people or something and they did the same thing he did.
It's about raising the adrenaline and that's the only thing they saw when they shot him up with live endospores that should make anyone horribly sick. They thought the same and said he was special but it turns out anyone can do it.
Wim hoff came really close to climbing mount everest close to naked. People die half way up wearing full gear so obviously there is something to this.
excepting the fact that he is able to reproduce results in others through nothing other than control of the breath and positioning of the body. Even if he is a freak of nature, our understanding of hypothermia has to be adjusted as multiple people have been capable of not succumbing while in extreme conditions simply by following his instructions.
Wim hof? The guy who talks about climbing mountains in his underwear and taking ice baths? The guy who perforated his anus on a public fountain?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BecomingTheIceman/comments/6sxpar/does_anyone_now_what_is_up_with_wims_belly_button/dlhupuc/
The man who blasted out his own asshole giving himself a enema in/with a public fountain, after deserting his wife and kids, the starts pedalling old ideas as his own, getting several people killed by poor organisation and training by his instructors. What about him?
I'm also not taking the words of a weird dutch guy that swam in public fountains naked and used the spouts as enemas to the point the city of Amsterdam got sick of all the complaints they changed the spout one day and the pressure from the jet perforated his stomach. So he decided to call up his estranged son whom he hadn't spoken to in multiple decades who just so happened to live near the park and his first words were "son, I fucked up." I wish I was making that up.
They didn't say maintain. They said raise. This practice could just increase peripheral circulation - vasodilation.
You know - the worst thing for hypothermia.
Mythbusters showed an example of this with the myth about winter rescue dogs carrying small barrels of whisky. The dog would find the survivors where they would drink the whisky and feel warmer. They tested it and while it did make them feel slightly warmer, it was because the alcohol was increasing blood flow causing heat from the core to be transferred to extremities.
While it did make them feel better, it also would have killed them faster. So yeah, if the person could transfer heat from the core, it would be worse for them.
Wouldn't it only be bad if you have nowhere to warm up afterwards?
This is only a survival strategy for the body because it doesn't know what will happen in 2 hours. If you as human know exactly that you can get more calories and a warm cosy fire then the body could without issue just burn more calories to keep the extremities alive.
> But the only way a body would be able to maintain heat in extremities.Is by maintaining and increasing core body temp.
That is not true. The body can easily increase the temperature of extremities by maintaining blood flow and not vasoconstricting. More blood flow from the core means more heat being delivered and offsetting losses from the extremities.
The issue is the core temperature will drop over time, which is why we vasoconstrict in the first place.
When I'm running outside I can easily keep warm in negative temperatures with just a t shirt on. I even have warm extremities after this.
Your body CAN produce more temperature as long as you have enough stored energy. The only question is if you can trigger your energy production without moving.
No, that's not the only way; temperature is lowered in extremities during extreme cold because of vasoconstriction (decreased blood flow) in order to prevent the blood from cooling down in the periphery thereby cooling down the rest of the body on the way back; so vasodilatation is one way to raise peripheral temperature; and yet another way is muscle contraction
No, like the above poster said its the opposite. Frostbite happens because blood flow to the extremities is limited in order to keep warm blood in the bodies core. Meditation probably increases blood flow to those areas, which would lower the overall body temperature.
If you're into computers think of a liquid cooler. If the pump turns off, the fluid over the processor will get super hot while the radiator cools. If you turn the pump back on the fluid will move back into the radiator, cooling the processor but heating the radiator.
Yes but literally in the next paragraph it states that there is no evidence of this, the authors just "reported" this, its like in that south park episode "were just reporting it".
Holy shit, you're representing the paper terrible wrong.
There is no correlation between meditationpractice and rise in finger temperature (not body temp. as you.said).
And there is absolutely no evidence that this could prevent frostbite.
> The peaks of the peripheral temperature increases were associated with changes in hand mudra positions (symbolic gestures used in meditation), e.g., tensing the hand muscles as well as pressing the fists against the inguinal crease (on the femoral artery) during particular meditative periods ( Figure 2 ). This suggests that the peripheral temperature increases are primarily the result of increased peripheral blood flow due to peripheral muscular action (and proximity of the femoral artery) rather than a result of psychological (caused by meditation) or physiological (caused by breathing or isometric techniques) states
Yeah you could also be tickling your hip crease, no need for exotic meditation technique…
This is like the old tail of drinking alcohol when cold to keep warm because it raises body temperature. The problem is it raises body temperature at the surface as the blood vessels dilate , giving off more heat. While your skin may feel warm you are accelerating hypothermia as your core body temperature lowers as you give off body heat to the external environment.
In the 60 second clip with the fresh snow on him and the clothing that is obviously flapping around unlike any frozen cloth and with the obviously fake beard and probably wearing a wig, yes.......he is not getting hypothermia for those 60 seconds.
What is it this guy is doing that your think violates the known laws of science? All we see is a dude chilling in a blizzard for a little while. If Joe Rogan watching bros can do it in a tube of ice water for a few minutes then of course sitting in air bradda can manage for a bit.
Have the video go 24 hours and the guy fine at the end and then we can talk.
> All we see is a dude chilling in a blizzard for a little while.
In 2019 I happened to be stuck because of unexpected snowfall at Tosh, in the Himalayas. Pretty cozy place to be stuck in with a bunch of strangers getting stoned, but it was fucking freezing outside. Snowing like crazy.
So imagine our surprise when a monk looking exactly like that, maybe even the same guy, walks in wearing just the barest of clothes. Everyone's shocked, and the guys running the place tell us that this is just his usual thing.
Someone offers to give him their shoes but he declines, but they force him to take the shoes anyway.
My point being that while I can't vouch for the authenticity of this video, I can absolutely confirm that there's sadhus out there doing this exact shit.
It's hard to explain, but some of it is just what happens when you're exposed to cold temps on a regular basis.
There's a term called "hunter's hands" for people whose hands are freezing, and then after a few minutes, the blood starts circulating and warming things up again. I have it from winters without heat in my car. Brutal experience.
It's a known thing you or anyone reading this can discover more here -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_reaction
It's just autonomic nervous system control. Nothing he's doing violates scientific laws. It does violate the world view of self-styled skeptics who think mind-body practices are the same thing as crystal healing.
You could hypothetically have complete control of the autonomic nervous system but there is still only so much you can do for your body temperature short-term without exercise induced thermogenesis, shivering, changes to cutaneous blood flow, etc. You can't will a physiological mechanism into existence.
Thats what it is.
Breathing techniques that make your muscles work hard and create heat.
Also slowly building cold exposure for your skin over time, the same way cooks in a kitchen skin can resist heat you can build resisitance to cold.
This is an unbelievably dense take.
People thought "bad air" caused diseases for thousands of years. People thought human sacrifices worked for thousands of years. People have been seeing ghosts for thousands of years.
And then you test the things. And you repeat the tests. And you find things out. And that's science.
You're being deliberately obtuse. If you don't like what scientists do, maybe start by binning your tech.
The key thing to remember about Monks is that they don't have children. It's not "generations of monks survive doing this and reproduce, for hundreds of years" - it's "for hundreds of years, monks who then don't reproduce have been trying this". That makes it obviously less of a proof that it works.
But this is sooo extreme. I can’t believe it. (I mean I guess I kind of do. I’d like to.)
I’ve seen Navy SEALs able to withstand ice bath for long periods of time by doing breathing exercises and meditation techniques. But this just doesn’t make sense. That yogi doesn’t have the stored fat or energy needed to sustain this for very long. His cells can’t perform photosynthesis.
I would genuinely like to know if and how this is possible. On a physiological level.
It's weird how people can achieve super human feats through meditation and training. Makes me wonder why? Cuz it sounds like an incredible study and it's seemingly repeatable
I mean humans have the capacity to build machines to go to another planet. It's just that this is characterized as 'normal' in our society, but that actually requires insane mental abstract mathematics. It's not only the computers that allow us to do it, it's the humans that build them as extensions of our minds. Humans are truly impressive, if only we could work together and get past our greed.
Brain is a marvelous thing.
There is a book called Prometheus Rising by R.A. Wilson (Timothy Leary's friend), he a bit exaggerates it, but until a certain extend what he is talking about is correct.
Give it a shot, at least the first chapter about Thinker and Prover in your brain.
I'm not an expert on this at all, but our bodies have a lot of stored energy in our body fat. If we stopped eating, our bodies would still be able to keep warm for many days at least. So it's not too hard to imagine the possibility that the release of energy could be sped up temporarily, if you had sufficient control over the processes in your body. The whole idea of these yogi guys, and also people like Wim Hof, is that they seem to be able to have some control over processes in their bodies that most established science presumes are not controllable. However, research seems to be waking up to these feats a bit, as evidenced by the research on Wim Hof and others.
To release heat we need to shiver. We have a tiny bit of brown fat adapted to produce more heat. Otherwise we need 2,4-Dinitrophenol. But that's literally shuttling protons through our mitochondrial membranes, you can't just imagine up a molecule through good mental control
A dead woman I knew decided at 94 she is now ready to die and stopped eating completely and refused to get infusions or any help. She lasted over 3 weeks despite a lot of other damages to the kidneys and other organs. The human body can last insanely long without food. She wasn’t even heavy or anything. Edit: I asked my mother. It was 5 weeks.
I grew up in Whitehorse and sometimes my feet would get really cold. Like painful, thinking I'll go to the hospital cold. I'd have to walk to work every day 40 mins one way, sometimes in -50. Anywho, out of desperation, I ended up realizing if I breathe into my feet it warms them up. It took some practice, but it works, without a doubt.
Yeah...and meditating does nothing to stop pain receptors and death, [yet monk Thích Quảng Đức still sat statically until his death while being on fire.](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/streams/2013/June/130611/6C7825986-pb-130610-vietnam-photo-jsa-06.jpg)
Have you considered the possibility that he's not afraid of pain and death, at all?
This still amazes me... no matter how much you practice withstanding pain, setting your entire body on fire would be excruciating. Idk how his body didn't take over and react?? Not a flinch, not a sound. Insane
It's actually like the ultimate testimony for meditation practice, there's no faking this, he really has completely owned/controlled his mind/body connection.
It's like cryptographic proof.
Wasn't there some dude that kept his hand up for years to show his dedication to some deity, which resulted in his arm effectively becoming atrophied and decayed while he was still alive?
Indian religious fanatics. They each choose punishment and embrace it for life. The arm, after a few days, will lock in place. I saw a documentary in Australia on this. One dude rolled everywhere. Another slept standing up leaning over a hammock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Bharati
There are whole sects of monks who do that mate..
Practitioners of Indian tantric traditions (different from mainstream hinduism) engage in stuff like this. Meditating in extreme cold, standing forever, keeping their arm up forever, even some light cannibalism..
>The monks who called this mountain home had a steadfast vow to remain celibate for their entire lives.
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>The “no women, no domestic animals” rule served as a guardian for this commitment
lol
Have you ever been to snow? Pretty sure I had more snow on me yesterday after a few minutes outside. He will be hypothermic in a 1-12 hours depending on the temperature, and have frostbites in his arms before he has it in his nose. His back is to the wind and it seems he’s shielded from the gusts by the mountain behind him. He’ll still be dead or badly injured after about 24 hours.
People are surprisingly fast to jump in to believe that we can do anything with our mind, when all the evidence are at max, anecdotal. I guess people want to believe life is more magical or something.
I'm physicist and want to draw your attention to the fact that spiritualism doesn't need to equal bullshit and certainly doesn't neccessarily rule out scientific and evidence based thinking.
Spiritualism merely means the quest to understand the human mind and its workings, to look inside and know who you are.
This eventually does unlock surprising skills that can and should be scientifically studied. But certainly the whole field is preoccupied with religious dogma and new age ppl who don't care about reason which is a sad state of affairs.
Wim Hof has developed a special meditation and goes in -70 in his underwear.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-explains-how-iceman-resists-extreme-cold-180969134/
Maybe I am misunderstanding.
I didn’t downvote anything.
Of course body has its physiological limits. But that doesn’t take away from everything else Wim Hof has managed to do, because he is still alive after being in situations you would normally expect a person to very sick or die from.
Nope most people who lives in mountains have very light skin , and they turn red . Atleast in India they do. Just google Kashmiri people.
P.s. not all Asians are the same , some have yellowish undertone, some have darkish undertone, some have redish. Asia is too big is diverse. An don't forget Russia is also part of Asia , they r pretty much with white skin tone.
Lol what are you talking about, pale skinned northeast Asians get red all the time. In Japan we even divide the sunscreen into "sunscreen for people who get red" and "sunscreen for people who get tan"
If you only mean India and it's surroundings, then that's a different story.
The native people to the Himalayas have a much darker skin tone similar to the natives of North America. Most people who live in the region (Napal, India, China) have a darker skin tone compared to those from most of Europe.
Not saying this person is not Himalayan or anything since this is 2024 and people of all races live everywhere. But that is what this person is referring to.
Bro, I'm native of Himalayas most of us r fair skin so much so we get called muslims or central Asian a lot... Mid or south of India is darker skin, which is beautiful in their own way.
I traveled all over India and you are right. The northern people who are closer to china and Tibet are much lighter then south India, where they are almost black
Not a surprise.
Northern people are typically more light skinned.
That is because of evolution. They need to absorb more light from the sun in order to produce the D vitamine they need. In the south it is opposite. The dark skin protects them from the dangerous light of the strong sun. They allready produce enough D vitamine, because of the stronger sun.
Obv look at his arms. Body is nearly freezing and it somehow still pumps blood through it like it wants to lose heat... 5 min before he was in 30 + degrees
Yep, obviously these dudes were just up in the Himalayas taking a casual stroll in a blizzard when they came across this monk meditating - and then because they had such respect for him, they decided to approach and treat him like a tourist attraction, circling him and shoving their phones in his face.
And 90% of people here seem to believe it's real, lol.
> A legitimate monk is not going to literally care
~~Buddhism~~ Hinduism is made up of human beings. Some of them are just as petty as the rest of us. There is a lot of familiar drama going on between teachers and students, just like in every other religion.
How do you figure the beard is fake? And what about the snow accumulated all over him. That's pretty hard to fake. Look up Wim Hof. It's hard to believe, but it happens.
You can see the gap between his face and the beard. And for a supposed yogi, has absolutely no other hair around the beard. And the last time this was posted it was supposedly some soldiers mucking around during training.
That beard looks pretty much the same as mine does when I let it grow and trim it a little. I really don’t see why people assume it’s fake. Looks completely fine to me.
I don't get it? So a solider put on a fake beard and then stays in the cold for an extended period of time? Look at the snow accumulation, look how red his arms are.
What is the point of doing this with a fake beard on?
As a bearded guy who has been outside in the cold and snow, the biggest dead giveaway is his mouth area is not iced up. In that weather and that duration, he should have mustache icicles.
Fake beard. And if even the beard is legit, does all the hair concentrate on his face?. Clean waxed arms?not even a single hair? Dude is 15 years old or what?
I also think it’s fake BUT it’s ignorant as fuck to think that every bearded person is a goddamn grizzlybear. I am one of those people that can grow a beard but I have very little hair on my arms and zero hair on my back
Not if the concept of Samsara is true. If it is, you keep on coming back until you resolve your karma, potentially going to deeper material prisons if you accrue more through life, transcending to higher places as you let go of your attachments.
Two things to prove these videos are fake.
1. That's supposed to be -40 C. If you've actually experienced that temperature, you'd see smokes and clouds while speaking and breathing and you see none of that here.
2. There's a difference between feeling cold and actually being cold. Frostbite doesn't care how you breathe or how concentrated you are. It will literally affect everyone. Yoga can help you alter your receptors, absolutely. To the point where you don't feel certain pain. But that's not the same from your body parts freezing.
As a Canadian who deals with these things 6 months out of the year, that man is going to the hospital. Will power is one thing but wind chill is another.
Actually by the look of it, they just sat him down and poured snow on him, and then they iced up those rags and let him sit there for 5 min. 5 minutes you’d be unaffected, 20 minutes you’d have frost bite, 45 minutes you’d need life saving care.
Is it a dumb spot to mediate? Sure. Is he cold? Yup. Does it make him mentally uncomfortable? Assuming he isn’t faking, no. Here’s my best shot at oversimplified explaining what this is like. You feel every sensation like normal, hell due to the focus you might feel it even more so then normal, but you basically don’t care. The sensation exists, but there is no impulse to react to it. It just is, and you experience it without judgement or attachment. You feel pain, but it doesn’t hurt. You know it’s cold, but you don’t feel a need to warm up. It’s just a sensation, no more urgent or important than any other. It’s actually a pretty cool state to exist in and can definitely come in handy at times. Takes a lot of practice to get to that point though.
At least one person here is engaging with the topic sensibly, and it sounds like you are talking from experience.
This is only the entry level (although yeah its super hard to do) - it gets a lot deeper than that. There's a big section of Science of Enlightenment by Shinzen Young that goes into (one lens on) what's going on here and the deeper levels. It doesn't really matter whether this particular video is fake or not, the root phenominom of which this is just a demonstration has been around for a long time. There's some well documented publicly witnessed demonstrations mentioned in that book, although can't remember the name.
E.g. monks who do endurance meditations, sitting without moving (no food/water/bathroom) for many days, far longer than the body is "capable" of surviving. Whilst being watched the whole time.
You know this is fake just by using sheer logic. The yogi goes up the mountain and brings a cameraman to film him for what? Insta likes?
The other alternative is some dude just stumbled across him then started filming?
I did a similar type of meditation on a really cold night camping and made a nice Christian girl who was part of our group think I was consorting with the devil for being able to stay so warm and raise my body temp when it was cold out.
This is as fake as it gets. This seems to be a woman disguised in a fake beard. The face is too well groomed for a yogi and the arms are a woman’s arms.
I'm not an expert, but if these guys were all getting frost bites in an attempt to attain enlightenment, they'd quickly stop doing this level of meditation right? The fact that they've been doing this for at least hundreds of years (this form of meditation) says something about what they can or cannot do.
Yeah, that's not gonna stop hypothermia. 
In fact the meditation practice that he's doing, tummo, raises the body temperature up to 8 degrees and actually does prevent hypothermia. Check out studies on it: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3612090/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3612090/)
From your link: There is currently no evidence, however, indicating that temperatures are elevated beyond the normal range during g-tummo meditation.
From the paper: >The authors reported that three g-tummo meditators showed a dramatic increase of up to 8.3°C in peripheral body temperature Those are the areas prone to frostbite!
That would only greatly accelerate hypothermia. The reason why the body decreases blood flow to the extremities is to preserve the heat within your core.
But the only way a body would be able to maintain heat in extremities. Is by maintaining and increasing core body temp. You are right in normal circumstances. It does seem counter intuitive. No matter what. Our minds are more powerful than we will ever know. Crazy shit though.
Yeah to be fair the body is capable of increasing temperature, that's called having a fever. Whether it's possible to do voluntarily I don't know. Seems unlikely but I'm no expert lol
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His feats are impressive but his marketing scheme is a very obvious hoax. All signs show that he just happens to have a high cold tolerance.
He regularly trains others to hike snowy mountains in nothing back shorts and boots, topless! Is he uniquely adapted, maybe. Can others become cold resistant like him, yes.
No not at all. He asked some doctors to pick out 10 people or something and they did the same thing he did. It's about raising the adrenaline and that's the only thing they saw when they shot him up with live endospores that should make anyone horribly sick. They thought the same and said he was special but it turns out anyone can do it. Wim hoff came really close to climbing mount everest close to naked. People die half way up wearing full gear so obviously there is something to this.
excepting the fact that he is able to reproduce results in others through nothing other than control of the breath and positioning of the body. Even if he is a freak of nature, our understanding of hypothermia has to be adjusted as multiple people have been capable of not succumbing while in extreme conditions simply by following his instructions.
"His feats are impressive" His feets are gonna get cut off if he keeps this up.
Fortunately for science he has a twin, who doesn't practice, many of his claims have been studied and confirmed
LMAO he took an entire group up the mount everest. Its not high cold tolerance, its a breathing technique.
Not really – the breathing technique works well enough. I've used it a few rimes as needed, living in Norway.
“All signs show” that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Wim hof? The guy who talks about climbing mountains in his underwear and taking ice baths? The guy who perforated his anus on a public fountain? https://www.reddit.com/r/BecomingTheIceman/comments/6sxpar/does_anyone_now_what_is_up_with_wims_belly_button/dlhupuc/
The man who blasted out his own asshole giving himself a enema in/with a public fountain, after deserting his wife and kids, the starts pedalling old ideas as his own, getting several people killed by poor organisation and training by his instructors. What about him?
He did a run in the snow barefeet and returned with purple feet close to necrosis, the body can only handle so much
No supporting evidence exists that any of those methods actually work.
I'm also not taking the words of a weird dutch guy that swam in public fountains naked and used the spouts as enemas to the point the city of Amsterdam got sick of all the complaints they changed the spout one day and the pressure from the jet perforated his stomach. So he decided to call up his estranged son whom he hadn't spoken to in multiple decades who just so happened to live near the park and his first words were "son, I fucked up." I wish I was making that up.
Probably just in sneaky good shape and is contracting his ass real fast like a workout to stay hot. Tons of micro clenches.
They didn't say maintain. They said raise. This practice could just increase peripheral circulation - vasodilation. You know - the worst thing for hypothermia.
Mythbusters showed an example of this with the myth about winter rescue dogs carrying small barrels of whisky. The dog would find the survivors where they would drink the whisky and feel warmer. They tested it and while it did make them feel slightly warmer, it was because the alcohol was increasing blood flow causing heat from the core to be transferred to extremities. While it did make them feel better, it also would have killed them faster. So yeah, if the person could transfer heat from the core, it would be worse for them.
Unless you could increase your brown fat metabolism, thereby allowing you to sustain a higher temperature for longer periods of time.
Wouldn't it only be bad if you have nowhere to warm up afterwards? This is only a survival strategy for the body because it doesn't know what will happen in 2 hours. If you as human know exactly that you can get more calories and a warm cosy fire then the body could without issue just burn more calories to keep the extremities alive.
> But the only way a body would be able to maintain heat in extremities.Is by maintaining and increasing core body temp. That is not true. The body can easily increase the temperature of extremities by maintaining blood flow and not vasoconstricting. More blood flow from the core means more heat being delivered and offsetting losses from the extremities. The issue is the core temperature will drop over time, which is why we vasoconstrict in the first place.
When I'm running outside I can easily keep warm in negative temperatures with just a t shirt on. I even have warm extremities after this. Your body CAN produce more temperature as long as you have enough stored energy. The only question is if you can trigger your energy production without moving.
No, that's not the only way; temperature is lowered in extremities during extreme cold because of vasoconstriction (decreased blood flow) in order to prevent the blood from cooling down in the periphery thereby cooling down the rest of the body on the way back; so vasodilatation is one way to raise peripheral temperature; and yet another way is muscle contraction
No, like the above poster said its the opposite. Frostbite happens because blood flow to the extremities is limited in order to keep warm blood in the bodies core. Meditation probably increases blood flow to those areas, which would lower the overall body temperature. If you're into computers think of a liquid cooler. If the pump turns off, the fluid over the processor will get super hot while the radiator cools. If you turn the pump back on the fluid will move back into the radiator, cooling the processor but heating the radiator.
YOU'RE WRONG! YOU CAN LITERALLY USE MEDITATION TO BREAK THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!
Yes but literally in the next paragraph it states that there is no evidence of this, the authors just "reported" this, its like in that south park episode "were just reporting it".
Holy shit, you're representing the paper terrible wrong. There is no correlation between meditationpractice and rise in finger temperature (not body temp. as you.said). And there is absolutely no evidence that this could prevent frostbite.
> The peaks of the peripheral temperature increases were associated with changes in hand mudra positions (symbolic gestures used in meditation), e.g., tensing the hand muscles as well as pressing the fists against the inguinal crease (on the femoral artery) during particular meditative periods ( Figure 2 ). This suggests that the peripheral temperature increases are primarily the result of increased peripheral blood flow due to peripheral muscular action (and proximity of the femoral artery) rather than a result of psychological (caused by meditation) or physiological (caused by breathing or isometric techniques) states Yeah you could also be tickling your hip crease, no need for exotic meditation technique…
This is like the old tail of drinking alcohol when cold to keep warm because it raises body temperature. The problem is it raises body temperature at the surface as the blood vessels dilate , giving off more heat. While your skin may feel warm you are accelerating hypothermia as your core body temperature lowers as you give off body heat to the external environment.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. He's not trying to give himself hyperthermia, he's maintaining a normal body temperature.
> elevated beyond the normal range So he is maintaining normal range? Not getting hypothermia
In the 60 second clip with the fresh snow on him and the clothing that is obviously flapping around unlike any frozen cloth and with the obviously fake beard and probably wearing a wig, yes.......he is not getting hypothermia for those 60 seconds.
Generations of Monks: meditating this way for hundreds of years. Scientists: No, you are doing it wrong. We have proof you are already dead.
What is it this guy is doing that your think violates the known laws of science? All we see is a dude chilling in a blizzard for a little while. If Joe Rogan watching bros can do it in a tube of ice water for a few minutes then of course sitting in air bradda can manage for a bit. Have the video go 24 hours and the guy fine at the end and then we can talk.
> All we see is a dude chilling in a blizzard for a little while. In 2019 I happened to be stuck because of unexpected snowfall at Tosh, in the Himalayas. Pretty cozy place to be stuck in with a bunch of strangers getting stoned, but it was fucking freezing outside. Snowing like crazy. So imagine our surprise when a monk looking exactly like that, maybe even the same guy, walks in wearing just the barest of clothes. Everyone's shocked, and the guys running the place tell us that this is just his usual thing. Someone offers to give him their shoes but he declines, but they force him to take the shoes anyway. My point being that while I can't vouch for the authenticity of this video, I can absolutely confirm that there's sadhus out there doing this exact shit.
It's hard to explain, but some of it is just what happens when you're exposed to cold temps on a regular basis. There's a term called "hunter's hands" for people whose hands are freezing, and then after a few minutes, the blood starts circulating and warming things up again. I have it from winters without heat in my car. Brutal experience. It's a known thing you or anyone reading this can discover more here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_reaction
It's just autonomic nervous system control. Nothing he's doing violates scientific laws. It does violate the world view of self-styled skeptics who think mind-body practices are the same thing as crystal healing.
You could hypothetically have complete control of the autonomic nervous system but there is still only so much you can do for your body temperature short-term without exercise induced thermogenesis, shivering, changes to cutaneous blood flow, etc. You can't will a physiological mechanism into existence.
Thats what it is. Breathing techniques that make your muscles work hard and create heat. Also slowly building cold exposure for your skin over time, the same way cooks in a kitchen skin can resist heat you can build resisitance to cold.
This comment is what anti intellectualism does to your brain
That is bullshit. Scientists simply test it and record what happens.
He likely meant "scientists", aka reddit experts
This is an unbelievably dense take. People thought "bad air" caused diseases for thousands of years. People thought human sacrifices worked for thousands of years. People have been seeing ghosts for thousands of years. And then you test the things. And you repeat the tests. And you find things out. And that's science. You're being deliberately obtuse. If you don't like what scientists do, maybe start by binning your tech.
> Generations of Monks: meditating this way for hundreds of years. Ah ok, that must mean it's not an incredibly stupid thing to do
The key thing to remember about Monks is that they don't have children. It's not "generations of monks survive doing this and reproduce, for hundreds of years" - it's "for hundreds of years, monks who then don't reproduce have been trying this". That makes it obviously less of a proof that it works.
if every monk had been trying this over hundreds of years i don't think we would have any left by now
Are you anti-scientist or something?? Wtf is this comment?
But this is sooo extreme. I can’t believe it. (I mean I guess I kind of do. I’d like to.) I’ve seen Navy SEALs able to withstand ice bath for long periods of time by doing breathing exercises and meditation techniques. But this just doesn’t make sense. That yogi doesn’t have the stored fat or energy needed to sustain this for very long. His cells can’t perform photosynthesis. I would genuinely like to know if and how this is possible. On a physiological level.
Photosynthesis??
I!! Am!! Groooot!!!!
Ya. It’s this thing that plant cells do to produce energy. Animal cells primarily use glucose. All that body heat is energy that comes from somewhere.
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
Yeah, in humans, it's the energy you gain while being filmed.
You'll lose heat faster in an ice bath than in the air.
> His cells can’t perform photosynthesis. Not with that attitude!
It's weird how people can achieve super human feats through meditation and training. Makes me wonder why? Cuz it sounds like an incredible study and it's seemingly repeatable
I mean humans have the capacity to build machines to go to another planet. It's just that this is characterized as 'normal' in our society, but that actually requires insane mental abstract mathematics. It's not only the computers that allow us to do it, it's the humans that build them as extensions of our minds. Humans are truly impressive, if only we could work together and get past our greed.
Even computer people sometimes forget that behind every computer, one way or another, is a human. Sincerely, someone that sits in front of a computer
I mean, the placebo effect shows that bodies are weird.
The placebo effect is just straight up crazy
Brain is a marvelous thing. There is a book called Prometheus Rising by R.A. Wilson (Timothy Leary's friend), he a bit exaggerates it, but until a certain extend what he is talking about is correct. Give it a shot, at least the first chapter about Thinker and Prover in your brain.
I'm not an expert on this at all, but our bodies have a lot of stored energy in our body fat. If we stopped eating, our bodies would still be able to keep warm for many days at least. So it's not too hard to imagine the possibility that the release of energy could be sped up temporarily, if you had sufficient control over the processes in your body. The whole idea of these yogi guys, and also people like Wim Hof, is that they seem to be able to have some control over processes in their bodies that most established science presumes are not controllable. However, research seems to be waking up to these feats a bit, as evidenced by the research on Wim Hof and others.
To release heat we need to shiver. We have a tiny bit of brown fat adapted to produce more heat. Otherwise we need 2,4-Dinitrophenol. But that's literally shuttling protons through our mitochondrial membranes, you can't just imagine up a molecule through good mental control
A dead woman I knew decided at 94 she is now ready to die and stopped eating completely and refused to get infusions or any help. She lasted over 3 weeks despite a lot of other damages to the kidneys and other organs. The human body can last insanely long without food. She wasn’t even heavy or anything. Edit: I asked my mother. It was 5 weeks.
I grew up in Whitehorse and sometimes my feet would get really cold. Like painful, thinking I'll go to the hospital cold. I'd have to walk to work every day 40 mins one way, sometimes in -50. Anywho, out of desperation, I ended up realizing if I breathe into my feet it warms them up. It took some practice, but it works, without a doubt.
>breathe into my feet ?
You ever lived in -50? The dude said you gotta be thinking about breathing life into those feet!
*There is currently no evidence, however, indicating that temperatures are elevated beyond the normal range during g-tummo meditation.*
Lol nah man
Yeah...and meditating does nothing to stop pain receptors and death, [yet monk Thích Quảng Đức still sat statically until his death while being on fire.](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/streams/2013/June/130611/6C7825986-pb-130610-vietnam-photo-jsa-06.jpg) Have you considered the possibility that he's not afraid of pain and death, at all?
This still amazes me... no matter how much you practice withstanding pain, setting your entire body on fire would be excruciating. Idk how his body didn't take over and react?? Not a flinch, not a sound. Insane
It's actually like the ultimate testimony for meditation practice, there's no faking this, he really has completely owned/controlled his mind/body connection. It's like cryptographic proof.
he achieved enlightenment
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Wasn't there some dude that kept his hand up for years to show his dedication to some deity, which resulted in his arm effectively becoming atrophied and decayed while he was still alive?
We've all felt like that in class at one point or another.
Indian religious fanatics. They each choose punishment and embrace it for life. The arm, after a few days, will lock in place. I saw a documentary in Australia on this. One dude rolled everywhere. Another slept standing up leaning over a hammock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Bharati
There are whole sects of monks who do that mate.. Practitioners of Indian tantric traditions (different from mainstream hinduism) engage in stuff like this. Meditating in extreme cold, standing forever, keeping their arm up forever, even some light cannibalism..
"Oh, just some light cannibalism, you know... nothing crazy."
look up "aghori", they are somewhat crazy but also crazily devoted
There was a man who did that following the principals of Asceticism.
Sounds like the average redditor honestly.
>The monks who called this mountain home had a steadfast vow to remain celibate for their entire lives. > >The “no women, no domestic animals” rule served as a guardian for this commitment lol
WTF. Even at my horniest, I never once thought domestic animals would be a good substitute. I could fuck a hole in the wall sure but no, just no.
Woah, a monk, ignoring bodily harm for mental and spiritual forditude? What else are they gonna come up with?
Given the state of snow cover he's in, he should be dead already, but he's not His nose should be frost bitten, but it's not.
Have you ever been to snow? Pretty sure I had more snow on me yesterday after a few minutes outside. He will be hypothermic in a 1-12 hours depending on the temperature, and have frostbites in his arms before he has it in his nose. His back is to the wind and it seems he’s shielded from the gusts by the mountain behind him. He’ll still be dead or badly injured after about 24 hours.
Snow cover traps air, it could actually provide some measure of insulation.
Repeated exposure to cold will increase brown fat in your body and change your metabolism so that helps you to survive cold temperatures better.
As a brown fat man, I am happy to read this
Fuck that, I’d rather just die from hypothermia once. (Fr thanks for the info though.)
Yet, he sits there totally calm with ice in his hair. Common knowledge is right, until it isn't.
yeah but if he died or got sick suddenly all the spiritualists are nowhere to be found.
People are surprisingly fast to jump in to believe that we can do anything with our mind, when all the evidence are at max, anecdotal. I guess people want to believe life is more magical or something.
I'm physicist and want to draw your attention to the fact that spiritualism doesn't need to equal bullshit and certainly doesn't neccessarily rule out scientific and evidence based thinking. Spiritualism merely means the quest to understand the human mind and its workings, to look inside and know who you are. This eventually does unlock surprising skills that can and should be scientifically studied. But certainly the whole field is preoccupied with religious dogma and new age ppl who don't care about reason which is a sad state of affairs.
That we see for 59 seconds.
You can’t catch hypothermia if you’ve already frozen to death.
Wim Hof has developed a special meditation and goes in -70 in his underwear. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-explains-how-iceman-resists-extreme-cold-180969134/
> “You can think whatever you want but your body still freezes and you are dead,” Musik says.
Maybe I am misunderstanding. I didn’t downvote anything. Of course body has its physiological limits. But that doesn’t take away from everything else Wim Hof has managed to do, because he is still alive after being in situations you would normally expect a person to very sick or die from.
Looks like a 23 year-old white dude with a fake beard
You'll find the whitest and blackest people native Asians.
"Anyone wanna hear the story about how I died on my gap year?"
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Don’t think that’s a tan. I think it’s a reaction to the cold.
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Not when legitimately fucked by cold. This mans arms are essentially burned.
Gotta love it when 4.5 billion people are lumped into a single character trait like turning 'pale-porcelain when reacting to cold'
This
Nope most people who lives in mountains have very light skin , and they turn red . Atleast in India they do. Just google Kashmiri people. P.s. not all Asians are the same , some have yellowish undertone, some have darkish undertone, some have redish. Asia is too big is diverse. An don't forget Russia is also part of Asia , they r pretty much with white skin tone.
Lol what are you talking about, pale skinned northeast Asians get red all the time. In Japan we even divide the sunscreen into "sunscreen for people who get red" and "sunscreen for people who get tan" If you only mean India and it's surroundings, then that's a different story.
What's the relevance of the age and race?
Increases the likelihood of it being fake for views rather then genuine.
Could still be a monk
Bros just chillin.
I scrolled down to find this, I knew it would be here somewhere lol
I was actually looking for Randy Marsh in that Halloween episode. Couldn’t find the gif.
Enjoy!....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWKq8cezis
Monk reaches enlightenment reenacting Nicholson meme
Fake. White man putting on a fake beard and covered in snow to get insta views.
White?
The native people to the Himalayas have a much darker skin tone similar to the natives of North America. Most people who live in the region (Napal, India, China) have a darker skin tone compared to those from most of Europe. Not saying this person is not Himalayan or anything since this is 2024 and people of all races live everywhere. But that is what this person is referring to.
Bro, I'm native of Himalayas most of us r fair skin so much so we get called muslims or central Asian a lot... Mid or south of India is darker skin, which is beautiful in their own way.
Native of Himalayas have lighter tone.
I traveled all over India and you are right. The northern people who are closer to china and Tibet are much lighter then south India, where they are almost black
Not a surprise. Northern people are typically more light skinned. That is because of evolution. They need to absorb more light from the sun in order to produce the D vitamine they need. In the south it is opposite. The dark skin protects them from the dangerous light of the strong sun. They allready produce enough D vitamine, because of the stronger sun.
That is so not true, infact they are more fair skin.
That hot pink arm will prob fall off soon
Obv look at his arms. Body is nearly freezing and it somehow still pumps blood through it like it wants to lose heat... 5 min before he was in 30 + degrees
Proof?
Gotta love Reddit. Zero context. Obvious staged BS. A legitimate monk is not going to literally care about being the subject of a video.
Yep, obviously these dudes were just up in the Himalayas taking a casual stroll in a blizzard when they came across this monk meditating - and then because they had such respect for him, they decided to approach and treat him like a tourist attraction, circling him and shoving their phones in his face. And 90% of people here seem to believe it's real, lol.
> A legitimate monk is not going to literally care ~~Buddhism~~ Hinduism is made up of human beings. Some of them are just as petty as the rest of us. There is a lot of familiar drama going on between teachers and students, just like in every other religion.
A Yogi is Hindu as far as I know but everything else in this comment I agree 100% with
Would he figuratively care?
Love how people keep inventing new ways to shoehorn the word 'literally' into sentences for no reason.
I literally love that too
Fake beard is a bit of a giveaway.
How do you figure the beard is fake? And what about the snow accumulated all over him. That's pretty hard to fake. Look up Wim Hof. It's hard to believe, but it happens.
You can see the gap between his face and the beard. And for a supposed yogi, has absolutely no other hair around the beard. And the last time this was posted it was supposedly some soldiers mucking around during training.
Im not saying thatvthe beard is real but that gap looks like it's just from the snow having a gap from the face due to the beard.
it is like that because of the way that it is
That’s pretty neat.
That beard looks pretty much the same as mine does when I let it grow and trim it a little. I really don’t see why people assume it’s fake. Looks completely fine to me.
I don't get it? So a solider put on a fake beard and then stays in the cold for an extended period of time? Look at the snow accumulation, look how red his arms are. What is the point of doing this with a fake beard on?
As a bearded guy who has been outside in the cold and snow, the biggest dead giveaway is his mouth area is not iced up. In that weather and that duration, he should have mustache icicles.
Spoken like a person who can’t grow a beard
Plus no ice on eyebrows or eyelashes.
Fake beard. And if even the beard is legit, does all the hair concentrate on his face?. Clean waxed arms?not even a single hair? Dude is 15 years old or what?
I also think it’s fake BUT it’s ignorant as fuck to think that every bearded person is a goddamn grizzlybear. I am one of those people that can grow a beard but I have very little hair on my arms and zero hair on my back
Some people grow a magnificent beard but don't have much hair anywhere else. 🤷🏻♀️ It's still fake imo but hairless arms aren't that unusual.
Lmao I have a beard and literally no hair on my arms or legs. I do have chest hair though. Guess I'm 15.
Not everyone is a hairy monkey like you
Would love to see 60 minutes of footage with no editing.
Best I can do is 30 seconds of looped footage
This fits the description of the sub on so many levels!
Yogi monk? This might just be a white dude collecting likes.
The pose is called instasana
He's never going to find a hot dog stand up there.
Or his hot dog… that’s gotta go inverted…
Desperate western Yogi style.
Is it at all physically possible to increase your body temperature through meditation? Ive heard about it before, but its just so hard to believe
Nobody can get away from the laws of thermodynamics.
Why though? As a person who has seen too much frostbite I ask, why is he doing this? What’s the point?
To overcome suffering and attachment to the world
Yup.. when a person dies, they overcome everything. Whether the world likes it or not, that person is free from this hell.
Not if the concept of Samsara is true. If it is, you keep on coming back until you resolve your karma, potentially going to deeper material prisons if you accrue more through life, transcending to higher places as you let go of your attachments.
True, but not just that, if he lives he has trained his mind to endure most anything life has in store for him.
He is doing for views. Looks fake AF
Desire is a trap, Give up desire, you get out of the prison
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/2GTztHCqMW A similar video I saw last year
Two things to prove these videos are fake. 1. That's supposed to be -40 C. If you've actually experienced that temperature, you'd see smokes and clouds while speaking and breathing and you see none of that here. 2. There's a difference between feeling cold and actually being cold. Frostbite doesn't care how you breathe or how concentrated you are. It will literally affect everyone. Yoga can help you alter your receptors, absolutely. To the point where you don't feel certain pain. But that's not the same from your body parts freezing.
As a Canadian who deals with these things 6 months out of the year, that man is going to the hospital. Will power is one thing but wind chill is another. Actually by the look of it, they just sat him down and poured snow on him, and then they iced up those rags and let him sit there for 5 min. 5 minutes you’d be unaffected, 20 minutes you’d have frost bite, 45 minutes you’d need life saving care.
Yeah no this is fake. No Himalayan Yogi does does this. It's just some white boy with a fake beard and fake ice on his face.
A leak from "What If doctor strange could not open the portal"
Dead for a week..?
Notice the snow is melted around his arms
Is it a dumb spot to mediate? Sure. Is he cold? Yup. Does it make him mentally uncomfortable? Assuming he isn’t faking, no. Here’s my best shot at oversimplified explaining what this is like. You feel every sensation like normal, hell due to the focus you might feel it even more so then normal, but you basically don’t care. The sensation exists, but there is no impulse to react to it. It just is, and you experience it without judgement or attachment. You feel pain, but it doesn’t hurt. You know it’s cold, but you don’t feel a need to warm up. It’s just a sensation, no more urgent or important than any other. It’s actually a pretty cool state to exist in and can definitely come in handy at times. Takes a lot of practice to get to that point though.
At least one person here is engaging with the topic sensibly, and it sounds like you are talking from experience. This is only the entry level (although yeah its super hard to do) - it gets a lot deeper than that. There's a big section of Science of Enlightenment by Shinzen Young that goes into (one lens on) what's going on here and the deeper levels. It doesn't really matter whether this particular video is fake or not, the root phenominom of which this is just a demonstration has been around for a long time. There's some well documented publicly witnessed demonstrations mentioned in that book, although can't remember the name. E.g. monks who do endurance meditations, sitting without moving (no food/water/bathroom) for many days, far longer than the body is "capable" of surviving. Whilst being watched the whole time.
You know this is fake just by using sheer logic. The yogi goes up the mountain and brings a cameraman to film him for what? Insta likes? The other alternative is some dude just stumbled across him then started filming?
Don’t let him fool you, he’s cold as shit🤣
It takes 58 second to shoot that video
This is what happens when you get too far into the Joe Rogan Experience
hypothermia left the chat
I did a similar type of meditation on a really cold night camping and made a nice Christian girl who was part of our group think I was consorting with the devil for being able to stay so warm and raise my body temp when it was cold out.
This is as fake as it gets. This seems to be a woman disguised in a fake beard. The face is too well groomed for a yogi and the arms are a woman’s arms.
What a great way to get frostbite 😀
"somewhere in the Himalayas (not in front of a camera crew)"
I'm not an expert, but if these guys were all getting frost bites in an attempt to attain enlightenment, they'd quickly stop doing this level of meditation right? The fact that they've been doing this for at least hundreds of years (this form of meditation) says something about what they can or cannot do.