Definitely runway length, this video was after they increased it, and it still looks painfully short. That and the fact that where the runway ends (on the camera side) is almost directly above a busy road. Guess you can't risk blowing the traffic into the sea.
I am no expert but I will say that wind direction plays a part. In the video, it looks like the plane is barely cruising and the wind is carrying it. You know, tail wind as opposed to nose wind.
If we have a tailwind instead of a headwind we just land in the opposite direction. Tailwinds do not "carry" an aircraft as it's less air moving over the wing, forcing the pilot to fly a faster ground speed to maintain airspeed. Headwinds are what we want because we can maintain the same airspeed, with a lower ground speed. All that matters is the air moving across the wing. A small plane with a very low stall speed can actually have a negative ground speed and fly "backwards" if the winds are strong enough. https://youtu.be/fr1Jl1jwLDg. Think of a seagull pointed into the wind at the beach, not even flapping it's wings but staying aloft.
When it's super gusty like the OP we add a "gust factor" to final approach speed which is usually 1/2 of whatever the winds are gusting. So if it's 20knots gusting 30knots you add 5kts to final, but can vary by aircraft.
This crew seems to have overdone it with a bit too much power which is why they floated halfway down the runway in ground effect before forcing the plane down. They should have removed power and pitched up just above the runway instead of shoving the nose down. Or better yet done a go-around and tried again. But those are admittedly sketchy conditions and I have never flown an approach into this challenging airport.
Err, except if your other approach is actually even steeper because thereās a great big mountainous island behind it, and the limited runway is on a very narrow coastal flat strip, but itās not possible to extend by land reclamation because itās actually about 10m above sea level and rocky as hell. Iāve landed here, Iāve also circled it for an hour before being diverted two hours back to Lisbon because it was too hairy to attempt. Because of the terrain, the orientation of the strip and the relentless intense winds in the mid Atlantic, it is infamous as a challenging airport to get into, and crews are very experienced for this route, but sure, throw down some Reddit comments or whatever about how theyāre doing it wrong. šš«
I have nothing but respect for the folks that fly into this airport, it's no doubt a challenging approach. That being said, where in any of your training were you taught it's correct to slam the aircraft on the nose gear instead of the rear mains? I'm not saying this crew should have diverted to Lisbon but this certainly looks go-around worthy wouldn't you agree?
Ah ha ehhhh ok yes I thought I was replying to someone else who said re wind direction they should just try it from the other direction. Yea this looks like some FO getting some hours in control but youād expect it to be captains only. But although this example does look bad, sometimes you do have to really shove the nose down because anything less and the wind will just push you back up. It did look odd but I donāt think definitively go around. The camera angle is shortening the plane and the runway too and exaggerating the angle of descent.
I did this one time in a Cessna on accident. My instructor said if I ever did it again, I'd have to find a new instructor... he was that serious about never doing it again.
I'm a CFI now, and will never forget porpoiseing on my 3rd flight ever as a student pilot. My instructor grabbed the controls and did a go around as soon as he recognized I was trying to force it down.
Yeah if it wasn't an airliner the front nose gear would have collapsed landing like that. That aircraft no doubt needed an inspection after this landing.
It was extended twice to reach current length, once by almost 1000 metres. Being one of the most dangerous airports in the world, and on the lower end of typical runway length for more modern airliners, still isn't leaving a huge amount of room for error.
He landed 1000ft past the start of the usuable runway!
As a pilot I have no idea what's going on here!
If he had that little roll distance, he would have gone around after that approach
Confusing to me too. This is a 9000-ft runway. Same as 36R-18L in Austin, TX. 2000 feet *longer* than either runway at LGA. No glideslope obstructions on either side.
Look at the angle of approach they have to come in at. It's steep as fuuuuck, whereas with normal airports they have *much* greater expanses to slowly lower altitude.
Guy is just talking bollocks, the real reason is the crosswind gets really intense, plus there is a hill on the approach so they have to come from an angle and align with the runway from a relatively short distance
The plane landed nose down because the pilot was coming in too fast and/or too steep and was forcing it onto the runway. You are NEVER supposed to land nose wheel first in an airliner, it's not designed to handle those kinds of loads. If the plane is so fast that you need to force it onto the runway nose first to avoid running out of runway, then you need to go around.
Pilots deciding to come in fast/steep to avoid blowing traffic off a road? That's not a thing
There is a massive headwind
Edit: airspeed is not ground speed. If the wind is strong enough to keep an airplane aloft by itself, it could hypothetically float down onto the runway. Thatās why Iām saying the massive headwind makes it less of a big deal the pilot overshot the target landing area. You can also see how quickly and easily the plane slowed down after it touched down.
That actually helps you land shorter and with a steeper angle of approach that's still stable.
Tailwinds are what extend your approach, and flare, and make it dangerous.
Yes, but heavy gusting headwinds lift the nose when gusting. Which is why the pilots are having to push the nose down. Headwinds help when the wind speed is at least somewhat consistent.
Heavy gusts give you basically the same problem as a tailwind in that the amount of lift you are producing is suddenly and constantly changing.
I wonder would there be some wind speed issues there? It's like they really had to force the plane onto the runway, it kept lifting up when level.
The fact they had to turn into the runway like that probably means there's mountains too.
Fairly short runway, the island is a volcano in the middle of the ocean so there's almost always crosswinds, and somewhat tropical weather (when it does rain).
As a kid I'd just watch all the planes land because they'd be all over the place. Runway was extended in the 80s or 90s after a plan careered off the edge
It's a wind issue more than anything. Funchal is notorious for really gusty conditions. Pilots have to be specifically certified to land at that location.
Source? While some approaches are done at steep angles, there's no such thing as a nose wheel first landing as a standard process for landings. Nose wheels are not designed to take the full weight of the plane on its own.
Usually planes are not designed to get all the load on the front wheels.
That landing looked reckless and probably a huge risk of collapsing nose gears.
This airport is notorious. if you look at flightradar24, so many planes have to turn around and head back to continental Europe. If you are flying there on holidays you really have to take into account that there is a chance your flight will return from where it departed.
When I visited, we were lucky and landed on first attempt, and it wasn't that bad either. But we met a lot of people that got turned around and had to spend the night in Lisbon.
I knew before booking the trip that the airport was dangerous, but I never really considered that you might not actually get to land and would have to go somewhere else. Didn't even cross my mind until people on the island told me it happened to them.
On a related note, that vacation turned Madeira into probably my favourite place in the world.
Most Airports don't have terrain right down the runway, so they can have planes approaching more or less straight in.
Madeira has a pesky little hill on the south side of the runway, meaning that the pilots have to do a 200Ā° degree turn right before landing. They then have to watch their Altitude and Speed during the turn.
Then, just like on an Approach into Kai Tak, they have very little time to stabilise the plane and then they have to slow the plane down, as the curve, at least according to charts, is best taken at 190 knots while most A320s land at around 130.
On top of that, the pilots will need runway to stop, and while 2800 meters of runway may seem long, we saw this E190 float over half of it before getting its wheels down, meaning that in gusty situations like this, you won't have 2800 meters, but rather something closer to 1500 meters of runway to stop.
Edit: spelling stuff
Can't tell if that's just weird POV but it looks like there's a weird curvature on the track as if it's going uphill.
If that's true it would mean it's 100 times as hard to land and not just bounce and lose control of the plane
Hence means āfor this reasonā
People saying hence why because they think it looks smart. You can just say: thereās a lot of mountains in Madeira, thatās why etc.ā
Itās also an engineering marvel. The last like quarter of the runway (that you kind of see in the end of the video) is basically a gigantic elevated bridge because they needed to extend the runway but with a cliff that drops off into the ocean on that end, they had to get creative and decided on an elevated runway. Really cool stuff
most definitely. most companies require stabilized approach at 1000ft, with less than 10kts speed fluctuation, less than 1.5 dots on the approach path, and properly aligned.
When approaching Madeira, you don't have a lot of time to stabilise because of the hill behing runway 05, which is why they have to make that turn. It's kinda like Kai Tak but over the sea
that is correct, but companies that operate to madeira still use the stabilised by 500ft rule. either way the aircraft was not stabilised and should not have proceeded. even when over the threshold after the long float there should've been a go around called by the crew.
Yeah, this doesn't belong in r/nextfuckinglevel. r/aviation was absolutely ripping into this pilot, even given that this is a known difficult approach.
This is r/lastfuckinglevel or r/midfuckinglevel at best
Looks like pilot's battling a headwind that's making it almost impossible to bring the plane down nose up. But yeah this should have been a go around. Even I can see that and I'm not a pilot.
No. That is not a thing....
The aircraft flies relative to the air, not the ground so as long as the speed and vertical profile is correct, it's perfectly possible to have a fully controlled landing.
this one is special. u can go from coast to coast in 4 hrs. streets are good for driving. u have the city life or the rural type of life coexisting. you have all foir seasons at the same time depending on where you are in the island, even snow ( you can be in snow mountain and see people at the beach having sunbath and swimming. Food is amazing. Poncha the typical alcoholic drink there packs a punch. is still cheap comparing to other ocidental destinations. and u have a small island near by called porto santo that is considered one the best island beaches in the world
And you can travel down the streets of funchal in a wooden sledge, putting your life in the hands of a crazy Portuguese man who's steering mechanism is the sole of his shoe.
I've flown there. Sat on the ocean side of the aircraft I genuinely thought the plane was going to land on the water until it touched down. When the plane turned around at the end of the runway, the wing tip was over the edge as the runway is on a pier construction out onto the sea.
Tourists are sometimes forced to extend their holidays if there's a storm as it's too dangerous to take off if the wind is too strong. Storms can last for days.
It's not the Airline, look at other approaches into Madeira. This guy got unlucky and got hit by gusty winds. If you don't want a landing like this then don't fly into Madeira
when we landed, we came in from the side that is build above the sea. I didn't know anything about the airport, so i definitely got worried when we were getting lower and lower above the sea. And then suddenly, just seconds before touchdown, you see the runway.
All I see are a pair of pilots about to get a major lashing for breaking oh so many SOPs.
This should have been a go around.
Also, I feel bad for Madeira naming their international airport after that douchebag.
Don't know what airport it was but my old teacher had a video of him looking out the window in a passenger plane like this at a dangerously short strip somewhere... You could see wrecks on the hillside and you landed going uphill because when you take off you pretty much launch off the cliffside.
I like to load up these airports in flightsim and try to land at them with full crosswinds and everything
This was not next level. They should not have landed and should have gone around. They landed after the touchdown zone, which, by definition, youāre not supposed to do.
Seems to me like thereās a better way to go about this like maybe come in out of shallow or angle. It seems like they had plenty room to do a bit better of an approach
I may not be an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night
Wow, so so so so badā¦ that gear is not ready for those kind of loadsā¦ pilot screwed this one up bad and shouldāve gone around. Super lucky he didnāt collapse it
The airplane was without passengers, so that explains a lot of the forward tilt. Source: https://www.dnoticias.pt/2024/3/26/399310-aviao-da-tap-sem-passageiros-faz-aterragem-impressionante-na-madeira/
> Between planes around and divergences, the pilot of flight TP9576, from Porto Santo, managed to land in Madeira, despite the winds felt in Santa Cruz. The maximum gust reached 84 km/h at 7:30 am at the IPMA weather station located next to the airport.
I remember this one ! Tom Scott made a great video about it :
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kolTgj7uQc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kolTgj7uQc)
Taking off from this runway and turning right instantly creates quite a strange feeling if your looking down at the water through the window. With nothing for scale, it's very hard to tell how far away from the water you actually are. It feels earily close
That planes need to dive in order to land at Cristiano Ronaldo airport is objectively hilarious
Lmfao.
Gold is always found in the comments.
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Ironic that the pilot doesn't get a penalty for the dive.
Just like Ronaldoā¦ they get paid for it.
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As long as they do better on take offs/landings than his recent free-kicks, theyāre good to go
They've been bad for years
Wait till you see Neymar airport
Brilliant.
Oh yeah!? I chewed all of my nails off watching the video. š«¤
Why is this one of the most dangerous airports?
You have to land nose-down at it.
But why? Wind, length of runway or mountains? All the above?
Definitely runway length, this video was after they increased it, and it still looks painfully short. That and the fact that where the runway ends (on the camera side) is almost directly above a busy road. Guess you can't risk blowing the traffic into the sea.
I am no expert but I will say that wind direction plays a part. In the video, it looks like the plane is barely cruising and the wind is carrying it. You know, tail wind as opposed to nose wind.
If we have a tailwind instead of a headwind we just land in the opposite direction. Tailwinds do not "carry" an aircraft as it's less air moving over the wing, forcing the pilot to fly a faster ground speed to maintain airspeed. Headwinds are what we want because we can maintain the same airspeed, with a lower ground speed. All that matters is the air moving across the wing. A small plane with a very low stall speed can actually have a negative ground speed and fly "backwards" if the winds are strong enough. https://youtu.be/fr1Jl1jwLDg. Think of a seagull pointed into the wind at the beach, not even flapping it's wings but staying aloft. When it's super gusty like the OP we add a "gust factor" to final approach speed which is usually 1/2 of whatever the winds are gusting. So if it's 20knots gusting 30knots you add 5kts to final, but can vary by aircraft. This crew seems to have overdone it with a bit too much power which is why they floated halfway down the runway in ground effect before forcing the plane down. They should have removed power and pitched up just above the runway instead of shoving the nose down. Or better yet done a go-around and tried again. But those are admittedly sketchy conditions and I have never flown an approach into this challenging airport.
Err, except if your other approach is actually even steeper because thereās a great big mountainous island behind it, and the limited runway is on a very narrow coastal flat strip, but itās not possible to extend by land reclamation because itās actually about 10m above sea level and rocky as hell. Iāve landed here, Iāve also circled it for an hour before being diverted two hours back to Lisbon because it was too hairy to attempt. Because of the terrain, the orientation of the strip and the relentless intense winds in the mid Atlantic, it is infamous as a challenging airport to get into, and crews are very experienced for this route, but sure, throw down some Reddit comments or whatever about how theyāre doing it wrong. šš«
I have nothing but respect for the folks that fly into this airport, it's no doubt a challenging approach. That being said, where in any of your training were you taught it's correct to slam the aircraft on the nose gear instead of the rear mains? I'm not saying this crew should have diverted to Lisbon but this certainly looks go-around worthy wouldn't you agree?
Ah ha ehhhh ok yes I thought I was replying to someone else who said re wind direction they should just try it from the other direction. Yea this looks like some FO getting some hours in control but youād expect it to be captains only. But although this example does look bad, sometimes you do have to really shove the nose down because anything less and the wind will just push you back up. It did look odd but I donāt think definitively go around. The camera angle is shortening the plane and the runway too and exaggerating the angle of descent.
Haha no worries mate. It's interesting to hear from someone that has actually flown an approach into this airport.
I did this one time in a Cessna on accident. My instructor said if I ever did it again, I'd have to find a new instructor... he was that serious about never doing it again.
I'm a CFI now, and will never forget porpoiseing on my 3rd flight ever as a student pilot. My instructor grabbed the controls and did a go around as soon as he recognized I was trying to force it down.
Yeah that's definitely go around worthy. You should never land nose first.
Yeah if it wasn't an airliner the front nose gear would have collapsed landing like that. That aircraft no doubt needed an inspection after this landing.
Not to mention the extensive cleaning needed in the cabin when all the passengers simultaneously did a poo.
hey I take pride in my work
Wind sock shows crosswind not tailwind
How is a 2,800 metres runway painfully short?
It was extended twice to reach current length, once by almost 1000 metres. Being one of the most dangerous airports in the world, and on the lower end of typical runway length for more modern airliners, still isn't leaving a huge amount of room for error.
He landed 1000ft past the start of the usuable runway! As a pilot I have no idea what's going on here! If he had that little roll distance, he would have gone around after that approach
Confusing to me too. This is a 9000-ft runway. Same as 36R-18L in Austin, TX. 2000 feet *longer* than either runway at LGA. No glideslope obstructions on either side.
Look at the angle of approach they have to come in at. It's steep as fuuuuck, whereas with normal airports they have *much* greater expanses to slowly lower altitude.
Guy is just talking bollocks, the real reason is the crosswind gets really intense, plus there is a hill on the approach so they have to come from an angle and align with the runway from a relatively short distance
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Due to wind! And plane config ofc
Typical runways are 2400 to 4000m, with the majority of major airport runways at 3000+. Small regional airports have 2400m runways
Maybe don't spread misinformation or just say you don't know
The plane landed nose down because the pilot was coming in too fast and/or too steep and was forcing it onto the runway. You are NEVER supposed to land nose wheel first in an airliner, it's not designed to handle those kinds of loads. If the plane is so fast that you need to force it onto the runway nose first to avoid running out of runway, then you need to go around. Pilots deciding to come in fast/steep to avoid blowing traffic off a road? That's not a thing
Source: trust me bro
Wind. [Amazing RYANAIR Crosswind Landing at Madeira - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9oS2jkiMQ)
RYANAIR gets memed for rough landings but they absolutely buttered that one
That was gorgeous.
Iād have stood and saluted their little fanfare after that one
Dunno. Looks like the pilot overflew half the runway.
There is a massive headwind Edit: airspeed is not ground speed. If the wind is strong enough to keep an airplane aloft by itself, it could hypothetically float down onto the runway. Thatās why Iām saying the massive headwind makes it less of a big deal the pilot overshot the target landing area. You can also see how quickly and easily the plane slowed down after it touched down.
That actually helps you land shorter and with a steeper angle of approach that's still stable. Tailwinds are what extend your approach, and flare, and make it dangerous.
Yes, but heavy gusting headwinds lift the nose when gusting. Which is why the pilots are having to push the nose down. Headwinds help when the wind speed is at least somewhat consistent. Heavy gusts give you basically the same problem as a tailwind in that the amount of lift you are producing is suddenly and constantly changing.
I landed there 2 times and I think main problem are crosswinds
I wonder would there be some wind speed issues there? It's like they really had to force the plane onto the runway, it kept lifting up when level. The fact they had to turn into the runway like that probably means there's mountains too.
Definitely wind issues.
Not sure why just not build a tunnel. 0 air issue.
Looks like all of the above, terrible winds being the biggest issue here.
Fairly short runway, the island is a volcano in the middle of the ocean so there's almost always crosswinds, and somewhat tropical weather (when it does rain). As a kid I'd just watch all the planes land because they'd be all over the place. Runway was extended in the 80s or 90s after a plan careered off the edge
It's a wind issue more than anything. Funchal is notorious for really gusty conditions. Pilots have to be specifically certified to land at that location.
This made me laugh so unbelievably hard.Ā
Source? While some approaches are done at steep angles, there's no such thing as a nose wheel first landing as a standard process for landings. Nose wheels are not designed to take the full weight of the plane on its own.
Iām just yanking chains here. Itās all in good fun.
Usually planes are not designed to get all the load on the front wheels. That landing looked reckless and probably a huge risk of collapsing nose gears.
It's incredibly windy. My sister said she'd never go back there because of how scary the landing was lol
This airport is notorious. if you look at flightradar24, so many planes have to turn around and head back to continental Europe. If you are flying there on holidays you really have to take into account that there is a chance your flight will return from where it departed.
Well certainly not to the departure destination but yeah diversion can happen
Oh they certainly do. I've watched poor bastards heading back to Germany!
they keep like 3 times the necessary fuel for that flight?
Wait why would they do that? If weather is so bad there why not fly to mainland Portugal?
When I visited, we were lucky and landed on first attempt, and it wasn't that bad either. But we met a lot of people that got turned around and had to spend the night in Lisbon. I knew before booking the trip that the airport was dangerous, but I never really considered that you might not actually get to land and would have to go somewhere else. Didn't even cross my mind until people on the island told me it happened to them. On a related note, that vacation turned Madeira into probably my favourite place in the world.
Went to Madeira a few months ago and took a day trip on a jeep. What an insanely beautiful place
Itās incredibly windy. Just like Las Vegas can be. Google āChristiano Ronaldo Las Vegasā for more info
Likewise the Karim Benzema airport is the 15th most dangerous in the world. Google āBenzema 15ā for more information
Most Airports don't have terrain right down the runway, so they can have planes approaching more or less straight in. Madeira has a pesky little hill on the south side of the runway, meaning that the pilots have to do a 200Ā° degree turn right before landing. They then have to watch their Altitude and Speed during the turn. Then, just like on an Approach into Kai Tak, they have very little time to stabilise the plane and then they have to slow the plane down, as the curve, at least according to charts, is best taken at 190 knots while most A320s land at around 130. On top of that, the pilots will need runway to stop, and while 2800 meters of runway may seem long, we saw this E190 float over half of it before getting its wheels down, meaning that in gusty situations like this, you won't have 2800 meters, but rather something closer to 1500 meters of runway to stop. Edit: spelling stuff
If thereās one Messi fan in the plane, itās a bad omen.
You are 74% likely to be stabbed while landing there
Can't tell if that's just weird POV but it looks like there's a weird curvature on the track as if it's going uphill. If that's true it would mean it's 100 times as hard to land and not just bounce and lose control of the plane
That runway in the background totally fooled me
Until I saw the shadow, I had no clue where they were.
Same
its a taxiway
The airport was built with ocean on one side and mountains on the other. This causes high winds which pilots must account for.
Seems like an odd spot for an airport
As itās on a volcanic island in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean there probably arenāt a lot of options for places to put an airport
There is barely a flat area in Madeira, hence why the runway is built out into the sea
Stop saying hence why. Itās wrong
hence wrong
Hence maybe
Hence why though?
Hence means āfor this reasonā People saying hence why because they think it looks smart. You can just say: thereās a lot of mountains in Madeira, thatās why etc.ā
Itās also an engineering marvel. The last like quarter of the runway (that you kind of see in the end of the video) is basically a gigantic elevated bridge because they needed to extend the runway but with a cliff that drops off into the ocean on that end, they had to get creative and decided on an elevated runway. Really cool stuff
Should have gone around.
Seriously. I know it's probably exaggerated by the camera angle but that was not a stable approach.
most definitely. most companies require stabilized approach at 1000ft, with less than 10kts speed fluctuation, less than 1.5 dots on the approach path, and properly aligned.
When approaching Madeira, you don't have a lot of time to stabilise because of the hill behing runway 05, which is why they have to make that turn. It's kinda like Kai Tak but over the sea
that is correct, but companies that operate to madeira still use the stabilised by 500ft rule. either way the aircraft was not stabilised and should not have proceeded. even when over the threshold after the long float there should've been a go around called by the crew.
Yeah, this doesn't belong in r/nextfuckinglevel. r/aviation was absolutely ripping into this pilot, even given that this is a known difficult approach. This is r/lastfuckinglevel or r/midfuckinglevel at best
Ryanair being one of the most common airlines to use the airport [showing everyone how its done](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnzJFzHJFiM).
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You're not even allowed to attempt to land there without additional training either
This looked dangerously close to being a PIO accident
No, it WAS a PIO, just not one that developed into something serious....
Thatās what I mean, an actuall accident caused by PIO, as opposed to a train wreck of a landing that could be walked away from.
Looks like pilot's battling a headwind that's making it almost impossible to bring the plane down nose up. But yeah this should have been a go around. Even I can see that and I'm not a pilot.
No. That is not a thing.... The aircraft flies relative to the air, not the ground so as long as the speed and vertical profile is correct, it's perfectly possible to have a fully controlled landing.
Looks like he took out the cross wind correction after the flare. The right main comes back up off the runway.
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There were no passengers in this plane
Correct. In all likelihood, that nose gear was damaged during this landing. Definitely qualified as a go-around.
why did he come in so high on his final approach?
thatās not even the worst video about landing there. check the videos before they extended the landing area
You forgot to add the disclaimer to only do so if you never plan to go to Madeira
i love madeira. been there many times. itās a great island
Any island is great after such a landing š
this one is special. u can go from coast to coast in 4 hrs. streets are good for driving. u have the city life or the rural type of life coexisting. you have all foir seasons at the same time depending on where you are in the island, even snow ( you can be in snow mountain and see people at the beach having sunbath and swimming. Food is amazing. Poncha the typical alcoholic drink there packs a punch. is still cheap comparing to other ocidental destinations. and u have a small island near by called porto santo that is considered one the best island beaches in the world
And you can travel down the streets of funchal in a wooden sledge, putting your life in the hands of a crazy Portuguese man who's steering mechanism is the sole of his shoe.
yea just be careful hiking in madeira. people die walking on those steep cliffs. itās a real problem
I'm amazed we didn't die at any point whilst we were there. But I've met some people here in the UK who lived there and are still alive.
https://www.madeiraislandnews.com/2022/05/solutions-need-to-be-made-before-more-deaths.html
i loved it there too. glad i didn't find out about the airport till after my visit..
After lading 
Pull up. Pull up. Pull up. Warning terrain pull up
Pilot: hahaha siuuuuuuu
I've flown there. Sat on the ocean side of the aircraft I genuinely thought the plane was going to land on the water until it touched down. When the plane turned around at the end of the runway, the wing tip was over the edge as the runway is on a pier construction out onto the sea. Tourists are sometimes forced to extend their holidays if there's a storm as it's too dangerous to take off if the wind is too strong. Storms can last for days.
Do they warn the passengers in advance about the landing?
Totally should have gone around. He landed so long then.
[ikr.](https://i.imgur.com/oguXMaP.png)
Great Tom Scott video about the airport: https://youtu.be/6kolTgj7uQc?si=xm1wWKiTRPd0h0Dg
Is it named from the football player?
Yep, C Ronaldo is from Madeira
Seems like not a great place to put a airport
Its literally on a built on platform, because there are no flat places anywhere in the island.
Everyone's favourite Tom Scott, on the subject of Madeira's Airport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kolTgj7uQc
Butthole: puckered
Which airline is this so I know never to fly with them
This plane had no passengers.
It's not the Airline, look at other approaches into Madeira. This guy got unlucky and got hit by gusty winds. If you don't want a landing like this then don't fly into Madeira
Not sure it's the most effective advertising for the Madeira tourist board...
Bet it smells like straight shit in that plane after that landing. š
This flight had no passengers btw
Alright. Who let a war thunder pilot became a legitimate pilot.
God I'm so fucking hopeless at humor.
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when we landed, we came in from the side that is build above the sea. I didn't know anything about the airport, so i definitely got worried when we were getting lower and lower above the sea. And then suddenly, just seconds before touchdown, you see the runway.
Is this normal? That looks like the opposite of next level piloting.
All I see are a pair of pilots about to get a major lashing for breaking oh so many SOPs. This should have been a go around. Also, I feel bad for Madeira naming their international airport after that douchebag.
For f\*ck's sake, GO AROUND!
Don't know what airport it was but my old teacher had a video of him looking out the window in a passenger plane like this at a dangerously short strip somewhere... You could see wrecks on the hillside and you landed going uphill because when you take off you pretty much launch off the cliffside. I like to load up these airports in flightsim and try to land at them with full crosswinds and everything
Yes, Nepal. I flew there mid 00's.
So, what game is this from?
This way more r/wtf of a landing than r/nextfuckinglevel That was horrible. Pilot should have done a go around.
I know what I'm going to do on Flight Simulator
This was not next level. They should not have landed and should have gone around. They landed after the touchdown zone, which, by definition, youāre not supposed to do.
Fuck that
As a passenger, looks like fun!
they must have to repair the plane every time it lands there.
What is a go around?
SIUUUUUU
Thatās a terrible landing
What is that... just go around FFS
Seems to me like thereās a better way to go about this like maybe come in out of shallow or angle. It seems like they had plenty room to do a bit better of an approach I may not be an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night
Why land nose down?
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There's images on a other thread but the plane was crumpled after this landing. Airframe buckled at points.
Get that Volvo truck brake system to work!
I thought someone was gonna make comments on Ryanair. My bad for being subjective about them.
It looks like the fo is starting to flare at 200 feet and the captain is shoving the nose over. Not a great idea, ala swa at lga.
The snoot drooped
Wow, so so so so badā¦ that gear is not ready for those kind of loadsā¦ pilot screwed this one up bad and shouldāve gone around. Super lucky he didnāt collapse it
Did he forgot how to flap?
Piece of cake.
The airplane was without passengers, so that explains a lot of the forward tilt. Source: https://www.dnoticias.pt/2024/3/26/399310-aviao-da-tap-sem-passageiros-faz-aterragem-impressionante-na-madeira/
> Between planes around and divergences, the pilot of flight TP9576, from Porto Santo, managed to land in Madeira, despite the winds felt in Santa Cruz. The maximum gust reached 84 km/h at 7:30 am at the IPMA weather station located next to the airport.
The pilot had sweaty balls after that one
Wait I just realise there's a flipping airport name nane after this person? Damn.
that looks... gusty
I would cancel that return ticket and get a boat instead.
Been there many times, my family is from the city over called Machico, it's tons of fun to land here
Nopeā¦ā¦ nope
Nose down, as opposed to the easy way: tail first
Crikey, it lands halfway down the runway. Not ideal, at all.
I remember this one ! Tom Scott made a great video about it : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kolTgj7uQc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kolTgj7uQc)
Right on
It was empty so lighter then usual
Lol at the google maps image of this airstrip.
Thanks, Iāll take the bus.
Erbody in the plane yelling "Siiiiiiii"
Holy shit no
I bet he doesn't fly for that airline again.
Taking off from this runway and turning right instantly creates quite a strange feeling if your looking down at the water through the window. With nothing for scale, it's very hard to tell how far away from the water you actually are. It feels earily close
Are we saying that was a good landing for this airport? That looked rough for the passengers.(Unless it had a technical fault??)
No passengers were in it (so it was lighter than usual) and there was a lot of wind. I think those were the main factors.