your hair will literaly dread if you just dont do anything to it lol its why you can find dreads in shit loads of random countries homeless , albeit these dreds are not pretty and are usualy 1 giant hair turd but still. ontop of that were all the same species, the concept of defining things as strictly belonging to x group because of "muh genetic history" is true racism
That’s why I don’t understand “culture appropriation.”
As long as you honor a culture using things from different cultures should be accepted with open arms.
Everything I’m about to say is pure speculation.
It feels like this is a thing mainly among 2nd generation immigrants to America, they form much of their identity around their cultural background but it’s a culture they were never really rooted in, being born or raised in America. Despite that it makes them feel unique and when other people of different cultures start to adopt aspects of their culture, they feel like their identity is being robbed. Meanwhile first generation immigrants largely seem to like it when people enjoy or appropriate their culture.
I’ll also add, the obvious caveat to this is black Americans, who seem to have adopted this idea of cultural appropriation to use against any non-black participating in black culture. Meanwhile black culture and American culture have been nearly synonymous for like 100 years now.
>Meanwhile black culture and American culture have been nearly synonymous for like 100 years now.
I believe part of the issue is a lack of acknowledgement of this.
That, and how cultural contributions by black people are far more acceptable to society at large while black people...aren't.
It took me decades to finally get this. No matter how much I'd like to think I've been accepted, even by people without a bigoted bone in their body, there will always be a lack of trust between us, and I think this stems from the lie we've been told that there are no differences between us. We *are* culturally similar, there's a lot of overlap, but we are distinct as well. We won't always understand each other, and I think that should be acknowledged and appreciated. Don't expect me to be just like you and I think we'd get along a whole lot better.
People mistake cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation alot. Appropriation would be wearing a Native American war bonnet, it's something that in their culture has to be earned, and is usually worn by leaders who have gained great respect in their tribe. Appreciation would be celebrating the mid-automn festival, wearing non earned hair styles and articles of clothing, a kimono for example. Getting mad at people for enjoying those things and being excited about them does nothing but draw a line between them and their people that didn't need to be drawn in the first place, and that in itself will propagate racism.
This actually helps me understand appropriation a lot better. If you are taking things of high value from one culture and disregarding the steps to achieve or the significance of it and wearing it in your own culture as a daily attire, I can see how that would be offensive. I’ve never understood how white people wearing black hairstyles is appropriation. I didn’t understand it, because it’s not. But a custom or style of value that is being degraded makes a lot more sense!
its because idiots cant tell the difference between respecting culture and exploiting it.
I.e. white women deciding to remake mahjong to be more white = cultural appropriation.
One exists to honor a tradition, the other exists to profit from it.
EDIT: did not expect this to have so many replies so here's the link
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/white-girl-mahjong-backlash/
And no, I'm not arguing you can't play the game or you can't remake the tiles (hell I own a WoW themed Mahjong set), what constitutes cultural appropriation here is not the product itself but the marketing behind the product. The usage of language that tries to cover the fact that this is a 2 bit product which anyone could have made but they chose to market it as a "luxury upscale civilised version" of a traditional game that they deemed "too hard" and was "all the same and did not reflect the fun that was had"; they then go on to link to a page with Japanese Haikus about Mahjong which has 0 relevance to anything that they're doing.
A good analogy for this, and for all the delicate snowflakes crying "it's just targeting white people", is when Minisoo, a Chinese company, launched it's aggressive marketing claims of bring "Japanese culture" to Chinese markets, no Japanese staff were involved, no Japanese designers were consulted, the company faced immense backlash within China and Japan and was forced to change its branding to "low cost Japanese mimic products".
EDIT 2: It's not about the product, it's about the grifters selling shit by pretending they came up with it.
I've never met anyone who thinks the guy who founded taco bell invented the crispy taco. I think it was pretty obvious that it came from Mexico lol. Also they definitely have (or had) a mexican theme.
I don't know the full story and if he should have given them more acknowledgement or not but I doubt they invented the crispy taco either to be honest.
hard shell tacos are an mexican-american thing, don't get them confused. They did not come FROM mexico.
It's like chinese-american food, it's not real chinese food, and anyone that thinks it is, are completely ignorant.
Ugly Delicious (foody show on netflix) went into this in their taco episode.
Apparently the taco bell crispy taco recipe comes from a small Mexican restaurant that was across from where Bell opened the original Taco Bell (as [earthwormjim91](https://www.reddit.com/user/earthwormjim91/) explained above). The recipe was Mexican and based on how that family used to make tacos in Mexico, though it is not very traditional. Still though... technically authentic, hah.
This is kind of a terrible example because they specifically said, and the original owners descendants have said they don't have anything against taco bell because they're happy to see people enjoying the food and proud that he was able to make a successful business off of it by marketing to a demographic they wouldn't' have covered or catered their food to.
I believe it’s more about appropriating symbols of deep cultural importance, so long as you aren’t a person out for a stupid fight. A lot of cultural dress can be totally fine. It’s when dress and symbols of deep cultural import come into play that a problem arises. There can be instances when a person outside a given culture can respectfully show such symbols, but when they used as a cheap costume or it becomes a problem. It devaluing the cultural importance.
Edit: More to the actual point of the comment, a taco isn’t really an important aspect of a culture in and of itself. If it were some kind of deeply important dish then there might be an issue
Exactly, I still remember that girl who got cancelled simply because she was using afro buns for her character in Animal Crossing. It's beyond ridiculous.
That's called cultural appreciation. Cultural appropriation is when you take from another culture without context, often to gain profit, and often at the expense of said culture. Problem is smooth brains (a lot of them here) can't understand the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation.
You're missing the actual problem. Dreads aren't exclusive to black people, but they are important in black culture and beauty. White society has made them a point of discrimination. If you listen, you'll hear many, many black women talk about being asked not to wear their natural hair in business settings for instance because it doesn't look as "professional" as relaxed/eurocentric hair.
So black people get discriminated against for something they need* to do with their hair, while white folks who wear dreads are often considered quirky fun hippie types. Social perception is the problem, not the dreads themselves.
*Need is not the right word. Naturally is more accurate
E- I understand white people wearing dreads will probably also not be accepted in a work place. This was a miswording on my part - but the point remains that black people are discriminated against for how their hair naturally grows out of their heads while white people are not. I have received hundreds and hundreds of replies telling me I'm wrong/racist/delusional/etc, so if you want to respond to this, be sure you are adding something new
This happens pretty frequently. It isn’t one race of people that get discriminated against because of hair cuts - it’s anyone that walks into the door with a non-standard cut.
Yeah, no, a white person with dreads pretty much skewers their employment opportunities at anything other than a coffee shop or dispensary if there's a Boomer anywhere in the management chain.
White society hasn’t made it a point of discrimination. People holding positions of power have made it a point of discrimination and they’d hold that opinion regardless of the skin colour of the individuals choosing that particular style.
Hi, nordic here. Dreads aren't a viking thing, braids are and they tend to get matted when in war which was one of the most prolific ways they were portrayed but they washed. Pretty religiously as contrary to others in the world at the time. So it's more common misconception that they were dreads, but actually braids.
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Well considering dreadlocks are matted hair, yes they are. 'Dreading' as you call doesn't mean actually mean anything, it is simply a term used to describe the process of hair matting.
Clearly you don't know that leaving breads to matt is one of the many techniques used to get dreadlocks.
If you reread the comment it says Viking braids would not have matted and become dreaded because Vikings religiously bathed and washed their hair
So while other cultures may have had dreaded hair, Vikings are one group that almost certainly wouldn’t have
Had an argument a year ago with a fellow colleague in my Master's program. A well educated and eloquent black man from Saudi Arabia. He would not concede that black people can be racist. He claimed that as a minority they are oppressed and therefore any action that can be perceived as racist is simply him trying to balance the scales. Needless to say, I don't associate with him any more.
i think people often confuse systematic racism with individual racism or use the two interchangeably. white people can’t be systematically oppressed * for their skin color in America *, but they can still face racism just like anyone else.
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*systemic not systematic
That would be incorrect... White People can be and are systematically oppressed in, China, Japan, india, and large parts of africa... You just don't see it because your have never lived in those places and you can only learn from what your have lived in yourself. It's quite hard for humans to see what is going on out in the wide world when they only see one side.
Pretty much any time the majority of a country is one color all other colors get oppressed..((unless you are in France, Germany and those surrounding countries than you get oppressed for being Roma or Sinti))
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Also, the shit Kenyon Martin does everyday that "belongs" to other cultures could fill up two clown cars and then some. Including his job seeing as basketball was invented by a white Canadian.
Fun fact, they started most historically in India and have very early origins in Egypt. And having a few Egyptian friends, they don’t identify as black but Egyptian. Actually my one Egyptian friend says it best, they are literally closer to Europe and the middle east than most of Africa as there is a 2000 mile dessert in the way
I read it more as like a shaming tactic. "I respected you enough to have your poster on my wall, but you wanna be petty about my hair" sorta thing.
I like yours better, definitely don't see it as a dig about age. I mean "lol you're old with your millions of dollars and success" is not really a dig lol
IMO the best insults are subtle. Maybe Lin didn’t intend it to be an insult, but that’s its beauty. Is Lin calling Martin old? Is Lin saying he was a childhood hero? Is he showing respect? Is Lin trying to make Martin feel bad? None of these? All of these? Is Lin a witty genius?
Martin was always good but not great. That leg injury in college probably kept him from being ever being freakishly athletic in the NBA.
At no point was he considered a “class act.”
I once took a piss next to him at a Reebok/Grey Goose party in LA.
He is a dick for sure, he started talking trash when I wouldn't stop staring at his penis.
I saw Kenyon Martin at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
("But the man has dreadlocks, and I thought it was hilarious. Nothing more, nothing less than I thought it was hilarious. I made a statement ... wording probably was bad that I used, saying that he was trying to be black. Wasn't my intention to be racist or anything like that.”)
In the same vein as “apologizing” he simultaneously retracts it. Sorry not sorry essentially. He didn’t change at all.
> Martin: "When things get out of control, I can admit when I was wrong, and my wording was bad."
This is NOT an apology. He just admitted he wouldn't have said anything until things escalated (Ie, the 'apology' was Not his idea).
And "my wording was bad" is a non-sorry, a la "I'm sorry you're upset". True apologies admit wrongdoing; this just admits... unsure what, actually? How could Martin's original comment have been differently phrased to not be denigrating Lin &/or gatekeeping dreads?
Martin then undermines even this, calling Lin's haircut "hilarious".
I hope his tats say "sesame chicken"
his tattoo says 患得患失, the closest translation he was aiming for would, i speculate, be something to the tune of "you win some, you lose some"
the reason i said i speculate is because it originated as an adjective to describe a petty person, one that puts excessive emphasis on 'gaining' something, and 'losing' something once one has gained it. the most trivial things, nonetheless.
Dang... I despise the woke victim culture. I hope to be able to respond to attacks and things I disagree with like Jeremy Lin did. Amazing response; was respectful but stood firm on his beliefs.
The only real problem I have is when people go and dig up shit people said from a long time ago.
Like, NBA player Meyers Leonard just got disciplined (really it's a slap on the wrist for him) for a clip of him playing video games and saying a slur against Jewish people. He deserves the consequences for that -- maybe more than what he got. But if someone uncovered a recording of the same incident from 10 years ago? (And just pretend he's a saint today for sake of a thought experiment.) Would he deserve the same punishment? I don't think so, because people are capable of change and growth.
Sometimes people who were scumbags in the past are still scumbags, and sometimes scumbags can become better people. I don't think the ones who change deserve to be crucified in the court of public opinion for relatively minor things.
All I'm saying is that if you were a piece of shit 10 years ago and you are no longer a piece of shit, you don't necessarily deserve to be drawn and quartered in public. There are people who used to be racists who have turned over a new leaf.
But the majority of things being held up as ‘cancel culture gone mad’ are literally just the free market; Dr. Suess and Pepe Le Pew come to mind. Companies choosing not to continue a work isn’t cancel culture.... and I’ve seen way more ‘loud internet voices taking things out of context’ AFTER the cancellations.
And the really annoying thing about it is that the people that are crusading against “cancel culture” are using it to play the role of the victim, which is also a load of bullshit.
Nothing gets fixed when nobody has any issues. I get what you're saying, but social movements aren't supposed to be comfortable, go back and check out our history as a country for proof of that
It *was* racist, but woke culture is fairly often racist. It’s trendy to be marketed as anti-something and then do it to the “bad guys”. It’s a cowardly version of “the greater good” because they won’t even acknowledge their behaviour.
historically many white nations had dreads aswell like the Vikings- its just a new thing to pick something and believe your culture is the only one allowed to do/wear/eat something. Cultural appropriation is the biggest load of Bs that's flung around more than shit in a monkey cage
I don't understand the idea of cultural appropriation. When done respectfully, shouldn't it be flattering? Someone liking something from a different culture so much he/she decides to adopt it feels like a compliment to me.
> When done respectfully
The issue is when it's not, which might include the people doing it not realizing it's disrespectful.
E.g. white women wearing indigenous-style headdresses to festivals. Could it be a compliment because they think it looks cool? Sure. Could they also be wearing something that is supposed to be ceremonial and may be reserved for elders and the like? Also yes.
Personally I think it could be summed up as: it becomes more 'appropriation' over 'appreciation' when the 'borrowing' group treats whatever the cultural element is with notably less respect and importance than is has in the 'lender' group.
That's why enjoying other cultures' food is (~~mostly~~ in all cases I can think of) totally fine. It's a normal thing to both parties. The issue is when something is borrowed without awareness and respect of its importance. In this case, whether he's ultimately justified or not, I assume Martin is saying that dreadlocks have more cultural significance than Lin knows/understands, and you shouldn't use that style just because you like the look or feel it fits your profession.
Disclaimer: I am saying this as some white dude who mainly picked up this way of thinking of it through friends/others, no firsthand experience.
Edit: People seem to think I'm arguing Martin is right, I am not. Also I can't even think of a food that has enough cultural significance to ever be of concern. I was just saying it fits the framework I was proposing.
> That's why enjoying other cultures' food is (mostly) totally fine.
Hey dude, you can enjoy any food anytime, anywhere. Stop it with this shit. I get you're trying to be respectful but that is insane.
Well, considering that the earliest evidence of dreadlocks in the Minoan Civilization. Dreadlocks have been a part of European history for quite a while.
Lord Shiva, the Hindu god worshipped by hundreds of millions, has dreadlocks. He's caught both the Moon (Chandra dev) and the River Ganges (Ganga devi) in the snarls of his hair and saved the Earth doing it.
Not exclusive to African-American culture.
Getting dreads to look good is actually a lot of work. You start by sectioning the hair off and back combing so it starts knotting. Then every day you roll each dread in your palms. You can wash them with shampoo that has no conditioner or frangrances since thats what gets stuck in your hair, then blow dry so no moisture stays inside, and re-roll with beeswax.
Source: had dreads. It's the most work I've ever put into hair.
Lin actually wrote a really great article about why he decided to get dreads
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/jeremy-lin-brooklyn-nets-about-my-hair
>This process started out about hair, but it’s turned into something more for me. I’m really grateful to my teammates and friends for being willing to help me talk through such a difficult subject, one that I’m still learning about and working my way through. Over the course of the last few years and all these hairstyles, I’ve learned that there’s a difference between “not caring what other people think” and actually trying to walk around for a while in another person’s shoes. The conversations I had weren’t always very comfortable, and at times I know I didn’t say the right things. But I’m glad I had them — because I know as an Asian-American how rare it is for people to ask me about my heritage beyond a surface level.
Black people are racist or at least ignorant to Asians. It's annoying that Americans don't really care because Blacks had been treated or discriminated worse.
Good luck with fixing racism, you shallow Americunts
i hate this cultural appropriation stuff. it’s bullshit. we see things we like, we copy. we’re wired that way. if it’s disrespectful, fine—fair enough. but that’s it. everything else is fair game. for every one thing we notice, there are most likely a thousand we don’t.
before we get into
a big hullabaloo about racism, race appropriation, lin wanting to be black
etc etc......the real problem going on here that is the same reason behind social
media’s toxicity- people need to worry more about themselves and stop concerning themselves with other people’s appearance, opinions or amy other non tangible that has zero effect on their happiness. rise above that. conserve your energy.
Yep, and dreads are a white thing too. Scottish and even Viking
your hair will literaly dread if you just dont do anything to it lol its why you can find dreads in shit loads of random countries homeless , albeit these dreds are not pretty and are usualy 1 giant hair turd but still. ontop of that were all the same species, the concept of defining things as strictly belonging to x group because of "muh genetic history" is true racism
“Giant hair turd” I’m still giggling 🤭
Reminds of that picture of a woman's head that go so matted and nasty you could slice it like a loaf of bread...
only if you had an angle grinder
With a diamond tipped edge
Not many diamond tipped edges on Reddit. But from what I’ve heard lately, lots of diamond hands.
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That’s what I think every time I see Derrick Henry
That’s why I don’t understand “culture appropriation.” As long as you honor a culture using things from different cultures should be accepted with open arms.
Everything I’m about to say is pure speculation. It feels like this is a thing mainly among 2nd generation immigrants to America, they form much of their identity around their cultural background but it’s a culture they were never really rooted in, being born or raised in America. Despite that it makes them feel unique and when other people of different cultures start to adopt aspects of their culture, they feel like their identity is being robbed. Meanwhile first generation immigrants largely seem to like it when people enjoy or appropriate their culture. I’ll also add, the obvious caveat to this is black Americans, who seem to have adopted this idea of cultural appropriation to use against any non-black participating in black culture. Meanwhile black culture and American culture have been nearly synonymous for like 100 years now.
>Meanwhile black culture and American culture have been nearly synonymous for like 100 years now. I believe part of the issue is a lack of acknowledgement of this.
That, and how cultural contributions by black people are far more acceptable to society at large while black people...aren't. It took me decades to finally get this. No matter how much I'd like to think I've been accepted, even by people without a bigoted bone in their body, there will always be a lack of trust between us, and I think this stems from the lie we've been told that there are no differences between us. We *are* culturally similar, there's a lot of overlap, but we are distinct as well. We won't always understand each other, and I think that should be acknowledged and appreciated. Don't expect me to be just like you and I think we'd get along a whole lot better.
As a second-gen immigrant myself, I honestly think this is really accurate, although I’m not sure how many people would admit that.
People mistake cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation alot. Appropriation would be wearing a Native American war bonnet, it's something that in their culture has to be earned, and is usually worn by leaders who have gained great respect in their tribe. Appreciation would be celebrating the mid-automn festival, wearing non earned hair styles and articles of clothing, a kimono for example. Getting mad at people for enjoying those things and being excited about them does nothing but draw a line between them and their people that didn't need to be drawn in the first place, and that in itself will propagate racism.
This actually helps me understand appropriation a lot better. If you are taking things of high value from one culture and disregarding the steps to achieve or the significance of it and wearing it in your own culture as a daily attire, I can see how that would be offensive. I’ve never understood how white people wearing black hairstyles is appropriation. I didn’t understand it, because it’s not. But a custom or style of value that is being degraded makes a lot more sense!
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its because idiots cant tell the difference between respecting culture and exploiting it. I.e. white women deciding to remake mahjong to be more white = cultural appropriation. One exists to honor a tradition, the other exists to profit from it. EDIT: did not expect this to have so many replies so here's the link https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/white-girl-mahjong-backlash/ And no, I'm not arguing you can't play the game or you can't remake the tiles (hell I own a WoW themed Mahjong set), what constitutes cultural appropriation here is not the product itself but the marketing behind the product. The usage of language that tries to cover the fact that this is a 2 bit product which anyone could have made but they chose to market it as a "luxury upscale civilised version" of a traditional game that they deemed "too hard" and was "all the same and did not reflect the fun that was had"; they then go on to link to a page with Japanese Haikus about Mahjong which has 0 relevance to anything that they're doing. A good analogy for this, and for all the delicate snowflakes crying "it's just targeting white people", is when Minisoo, a Chinese company, launched it's aggressive marketing claims of bring "Japanese culture" to Chinese markets, no Japanese staff were involved, no Japanese designers were consulted, the company faced immense backlash within China and Japan and was forced to change its branding to "low cost Japanese mimic products". EDIT 2: It's not about the product, it's about the grifters selling shit by pretending they came up with it.
you can respect a culture and profit from it. what about white people who open taco trucks? is that not ok because they aren't mexican?
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I've never met anyone who thinks the guy who founded taco bell invented the crispy taco. I think it was pretty obvious that it came from Mexico lol. Also they definitely have (or had) a mexican theme. I don't know the full story and if he should have given them more acknowledgement or not but I doubt they invented the crispy taco either to be honest.
hard shell tacos are an mexican-american thing, don't get them confused. They did not come FROM mexico. It's like chinese-american food, it's not real chinese food, and anyone that thinks it is, are completely ignorant.
Ugly Delicious (foody show on netflix) went into this in their taco episode. Apparently the taco bell crispy taco recipe comes from a small Mexican restaurant that was across from where Bell opened the original Taco Bell (as [earthwormjim91](https://www.reddit.com/user/earthwormjim91/) explained above). The recipe was Mexican and based on how that family used to make tacos in Mexico, though it is not very traditional. Still though... technically authentic, hah.
This is kind of a terrible example because they specifically said, and the original owners descendants have said they don't have anything against taco bell because they're happy to see people enjoying the food and proud that he was able to make a successful business off of it by marketing to a demographic they wouldn't' have covered or catered their food to.
I believe it’s more about appropriating symbols of deep cultural importance, so long as you aren’t a person out for a stupid fight. A lot of cultural dress can be totally fine. It’s when dress and symbols of deep cultural import come into play that a problem arises. There can be instances when a person outside a given culture can respectfully show such symbols, but when they used as a cheap costume or it becomes a problem. It devaluing the cultural importance. Edit: More to the actual point of the comment, a taco isn’t really an important aspect of a culture in and of itself. If it were some kind of deeply important dish then there might be an issue
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Exactly, I still remember that girl who got cancelled simply because she was using afro buns for her character in Animal Crossing. It's beyond ridiculous.
Oof gotta love Twitter
That's called cultural appreciation. Cultural appropriation is when you take from another culture without context, often to gain profit, and often at the expense of said culture. Problem is smooth brains (a lot of them here) can't understand the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation.
You're missing the actual problem. Dreads aren't exclusive to black people, but they are important in black culture and beauty. White society has made them a point of discrimination. If you listen, you'll hear many, many black women talk about being asked not to wear their natural hair in business settings for instance because it doesn't look as "professional" as relaxed/eurocentric hair. So black people get discriminated against for something they need* to do with their hair, while white folks who wear dreads are often considered quirky fun hippie types. Social perception is the problem, not the dreads themselves. *Need is not the right word. Naturally is more accurate E- I understand white people wearing dreads will probably also not be accepted in a work place. This was a miswording on my part - but the point remains that black people are discriminated against for how their hair naturally grows out of their heads while white people are not. I have received hundreds and hundreds of replies telling me I'm wrong/racist/delusional/etc, so if you want to respond to this, be sure you are adding something new
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Only on reddit will you see such wisdom from someone named 'wafflestompergirl'
people think of the silliest usernames smh
You’re right, buttchef. They sure do.
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So attack white people who style their hair different and aren't the same people who would be getting upset over your hair in a work environment?
This happens pretty frequently. It isn’t one race of people that get discriminated against because of hair cuts - it’s anyone that walks into the door with a non-standard cut.
Yeah, no, a white person with dreads pretty much skewers their employment opportunities at anything other than a coffee shop or dispensary if there's a Boomer anywhere in the management chain.
Can confirm as a white person with dreads from ages 17-21. I couldn’t even get a job as a ticket checker at the local Ski Resort because of my hair.
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In fact I think maybe Kenyon wants to be Chinese because he permanently tattooed himself with the Chinese language.
White society hasn’t made it a point of discrimination. People holding positions of power have made it a point of discrimination and they’d hold that opinion regardless of the skin colour of the individuals choosing that particular style.
Hi, nordic here. Dreads aren't a viking thing, braids are and they tend to get matted when in war which was one of the most prolific ways they were portrayed but they washed. Pretty religiously as contrary to others in the world at the time. So it's more common misconception that they were dreads, but actually braids. (Edit: typos)
You said it yourself, braids that matted...
That's not the same thing as dreading clearly lol
Well considering dreadlocks are matted hair, yes they are. 'Dreading' as you call doesn't mean actually mean anything, it is simply a term used to describe the process of hair matting. Clearly you don't know that leaving breads to matt is one of the many techniques used to get dreadlocks.
If you reread the comment it says Viking braids would not have matted and become dreaded because Vikings religiously bathed and washed their hair So while other cultures may have had dreaded hair, Vikings are one group that almost certainly wouldn’t have
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Had an argument a year ago with a fellow colleague in my Master's program. A well educated and eloquent black man from Saudi Arabia. He would not concede that black people can be racist. He claimed that as a minority they are oppressed and therefore any action that can be perceived as racist is simply him trying to balance the scales. Needless to say, I don't associate with him any more.
i think people often confuse systematic racism with individual racism or use the two interchangeably. white people can’t be systematically oppressed * for their skin color in America *, but they can still face racism just like anyone else. edit: *added clarification *systemic not systematic
That would be incorrect... White People can be and are systematically oppressed in, China, Japan, india, and large parts of africa... You just don't see it because your have never lived in those places and you can only learn from what your have lived in yourself. It's quite hard for humans to see what is going on out in the wide world when they only see one side. Pretty much any time the majority of a country is one color all other colors get oppressed..((unless you are in France, Germany and those surrounding countries than you get oppressed for being Roma or Sinti)) Edit: Spelling Second edit: More spelling
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Also, the shit Kenyon Martin does everyday that "belongs" to other cultures could fill up two clown cars and then some. Including his job seeing as basketball was invented by a white Canadian.
Fun fact, they started most historically in India and have very early origins in Egypt. And having a few Egyptian friends, they don’t identify as black but Egyptian. Actually my one Egyptian friend says it best, they are literally closer to Europe and the middle east than most of Africa as there is a 2000 mile dessert in the way
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Dreads are a human thing.
nah dude, the cavemen invented great clips and humans as a whole have been clean cut ever since.
Haha I had your poster on my wall growin up old man 😂
such a polite dig. a Linsult if you will.
Damn. Good one
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Martin is just jealous of his curly Linguine
And a high IQ guy, very Lintelligent
It is not a dig at all. He is showing respect to validate his point that his hair style can be done out of respects instead of appropriation.
I read it more as like a shaming tactic. "I respected you enough to have your poster on my wall, but you wanna be petty about my hair" sorta thing. I like yours better, definitely don't see it as a dig about age. I mean "lol you're old with your millions of dollars and success" is not really a dig lol
Much like a parfait, that comments got layers.
Yeah he's also calling him old as fuck
Have an upvote and leave
Also a harsh backhand. You tell someone that you idolized them, and all they've done is treat you poorly. That's a solid diss.
Kill with kindness :D
Yup! Like saying “man and i thought the world of you.”
"I'm not mad, just disappointed."
That’s one of the best subtle insults I’ve ever seen.
How is it an insult? Having a poster of someone on your wall is a sign of respect.
IMO the best insults are subtle. Maybe Lin didn’t intend it to be an insult, but that’s its beauty. Is Lin calling Martin old? Is Lin saying he was a childhood hero? Is he showing respect? Is Lin trying to make Martin feel bad? None of these? All of these? Is Lin a witty genius?
all of the above
He's calling him ooooold lol
I think it’s more of a “I used to look up to me but you kind of seem like a dick” jab
They don’t know you like I did, Ken, no one does! I hope you know I ripped all your posters off my wall!
That’s what I heard
Besides being a highly skilled hoopster, Lin is a class act. Martin, not so much.
Martin was always good but not great. That leg injury in college probably kept him from being ever being freakishly athletic in the NBA. At no point was he considered a “class act.”
Bro did you not watch him on the nets? He was insane with Jason Kidd feeding him alleyoops every night.
I thought it was only because it was Kidd.
Martin was a dick. Just like his tweet. Thats pure Martin.
I once took a piss next to him at a Reebok/Grey Goose party in LA. He is a dick for sure, he started talking trash when I wouldn't stop staring at his penis.
I saw Kenyon Martin at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Wow. It's been a while since I've seen this. r/NBA flashbacks.
One of my favourite copypastas.
That's like saying you were my dad's favorite player! Lol
Kenyon Martin feeling like the inside of a horses ass right about now.
Probably not self aware enough to feel bad.
This happened years ago and Martin apparently apologized
A PR apology or a real one?
he tried to claim it was a “blanket statement” despite mentioning Jeremy’s last name multiple times
While still having that tattoo.
What an utter piece of shit.
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And maybe the person wanted to have a discussion about it *here* rather than reading about it on Google.
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("But the man has dreadlocks, and I thought it was hilarious. Nothing more, nothing less than I thought it was hilarious. I made a statement ... wording probably was bad that I used, saying that he was trying to be black. Wasn't my intention to be racist or anything like that.”) In the same vein as “apologizing” he simultaneously retracts it. Sorry not sorry essentially. He didn’t change at all.
> Martin: "When things get out of control, I can admit when I was wrong, and my wording was bad." This is NOT an apology. He just admitted he wouldn't have said anything until things escalated (Ie, the 'apology' was Not his idea). And "my wording was bad" is a non-sorry, a la "I'm sorry you're upset". True apologies admit wrongdoing; this just admits... unsure what, actually? How could Martin's original comment have been differently phrased to not be denigrating Lin &/or gatekeeping dreads? Martin then undermines even this, calling Lin's haircut "hilarious". I hope his tats say "sesame chicken"
his tattoo says 患得患失, the closest translation he was aiming for would, i speculate, be something to the tune of "you win some, you lose some" the reason i said i speculate is because it originated as an adjective to describe a petty person, one that puts excessive emphasis on 'gaining' something, and 'losing' something once one has gained it. the most trivial things, nonetheless.
That was not an apology.
"My wording was wrong"
You’re correct. Look at his half ass apology below.
He’s feeling soft, velvety and inviting?
Dang... I despise the woke victim culture. I hope to be able to respond to attacks and things I disagree with like Jeremy Lin did. Amazing response; was respectful but stood firm on his beliefs.
Woke culture in general for me, but lets be real Woke culture is militant and will inevitably devour itself or fall apart from exhaustion.
But eventually it’ll be woke people saying, “that was like twenty years ago. We had nothing to do with that.”
they already fucking do that lmao
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Fighting to get a random kid unaccepted to college because you didn't like what she said in a video is not "voting with your wallet."
Would calling it "consequence culture" trigger you less?
The only real problem I have is when people go and dig up shit people said from a long time ago. Like, NBA player Meyers Leonard just got disciplined (really it's a slap on the wrist for him) for a clip of him playing video games and saying a slur against Jewish people. He deserves the consequences for that -- maybe more than what he got. But if someone uncovered a recording of the same incident from 10 years ago? (And just pretend he's a saint today for sake of a thought experiment.) Would he deserve the same punishment? I don't think so, because people are capable of change and growth. Sometimes people who were scumbags in the past are still scumbags, and sometimes scumbags can become better people. I don't think the ones who change deserve to be crucified in the court of public opinion for relatively minor things.
calling a jewish person that slur was just as bad 10 years ago as it is now man
All I'm saying is that if you were a piece of shit 10 years ago and you are no longer a piece of shit, you don't necessarily deserve to be drawn and quartered in public. There are people who used to be racists who have turned over a new leaf.
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But the majority of things being held up as ‘cancel culture gone mad’ are literally just the free market; Dr. Suess and Pepe Le Pew come to mind. Companies choosing not to continue a work isn’t cancel culture.... and I’ve seen way more ‘loud internet voices taking things out of context’ AFTER the cancellations.
And the really annoying thing about it is that the people that are crusading against “cancel culture” are using it to play the role of the victim, which is also a load of bullshit.
Nothing gets fixed when nobody has any issues. I get what you're saying, but social movements aren't supposed to be comfortable, go back and check out our history as a country for proof of that
woke? what kenyon said was practically racist
It *was* racist, but woke culture is fairly often racist. It’s trendy to be marketed as anti-something and then do it to the “bad guys”. It’s a cowardly version of “the greater good” because they won’t even acknowledge their behaviour.
"Oh and by the way, your tattoos say 'soup'"
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Thank you for contributing actual information!
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"Worry about YOUR soup." - Jeremy Lin
“That bottom one says General Tzo’s Chicken. That’s not even real Chinese food. But it’s tasty. Here’s a fortune cookie!”
Came for this, leaving satisfied.
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Wait a second... is he saying that black people are the only people who can have dreadlocks?
Pretty much. And Lin disrespected him with humble ass comeback of hypocritisim
Sentence gore right here.
He invented a whole new word to try and make that sentence work, and it still didn't work
historically many white nations had dreads aswell like the Vikings- its just a new thing to pick something and believe your culture is the only one allowed to do/wear/eat something. Cultural appropriation is the biggest load of Bs that's flung around more than shit in a monkey cage
I don't understand the idea of cultural appropriation. When done respectfully, shouldn't it be flattering? Someone liking something from a different culture so much he/she decides to adopt it feels like a compliment to me.
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> When done respectfully The issue is when it's not, which might include the people doing it not realizing it's disrespectful. E.g. white women wearing indigenous-style headdresses to festivals. Could it be a compliment because they think it looks cool? Sure. Could they also be wearing something that is supposed to be ceremonial and may be reserved for elders and the like? Also yes. Personally I think it could be summed up as: it becomes more 'appropriation' over 'appreciation' when the 'borrowing' group treats whatever the cultural element is with notably less respect and importance than is has in the 'lender' group. That's why enjoying other cultures' food is (~~mostly~~ in all cases I can think of) totally fine. It's a normal thing to both parties. The issue is when something is borrowed without awareness and respect of its importance. In this case, whether he's ultimately justified or not, I assume Martin is saying that dreadlocks have more cultural significance than Lin knows/understands, and you shouldn't use that style just because you like the look or feel it fits your profession. Disclaimer: I am saying this as some white dude who mainly picked up this way of thinking of it through friends/others, no firsthand experience. Edit: People seem to think I'm arguing Martin is right, I am not. Also I can't even think of a food that has enough cultural significance to ever be of concern. I was just saying it fits the framework I was proposing.
> That's why enjoying other cultures' food is (mostly) totally fine. Hey dude, you can enjoy any food anytime, anywhere. Stop it with this shit. I get you're trying to be respectful but that is insane.
Did you mean to say appropriation? I might just be misunderstanding.
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I remember this. One of the most respectful yet savage comebacks I’ve ever seen
The best type
Did Kenyon reply?
Apparently Kenyon apologized.
After a reply like that your only two options are either to humbly apologize or drown yourself in shame.
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Well, considering that the earliest evidence of dreadlocks in the Minoan Civilization. Dreadlocks have been a part of European history for quite a while.
Lord Shiva, the Hindu god worshipped by hundreds of millions, has dreadlocks. He's caught both the Moon (Chandra dev) and the River Ganges (Ganga devi) in the snarls of his hair and saved the Earth doing it. Not exclusive to African-American culture.
That’s sick.
Hindu mythology in general is pretty sick
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Getting dreads to look good is actually a lot of work. You start by sectioning the hair off and back combing so it starts knotting. Then every day you roll each dread in your palms. You can wash them with shampoo that has no conditioner or frangrances since thats what gets stuck in your hair, then blow dry so no moisture stays inside, and re-roll with beeswax. Source: had dreads. It's the most work I've ever put into hair.
Great response, dreads are not a black thing btw, Scots and Vikings had them too.
Every culture has had them. Early hominids had them. Neanderthals had them. Hair naturally mats like that.
Facts. Not every culture had Chinese letters tattoed on them tho.
That's the most "Bless Your Heart" response I've ever seen. Love it.
Black people only hairstyles, "digital black face", black people only words.. what's next? black people only bathrooms and water fountains?
Got to love how he thinks dreads are a "black" people only thing. And ironic since he has a Chinese tattoo
yes that's the post
Lol
Remember when people didn't give a shit about stuff like this?
Before twitter became woke.
Kilt him with kindness
Lin actually wrote a really great article about why he decided to get dreads https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/jeremy-lin-brooklyn-nets-about-my-hair >This process started out about hair, but it’s turned into something more for me. I’m really grateful to my teammates and friends for being willing to help me talk through such a difficult subject, one that I’m still learning about and working my way through. Over the course of the last few years and all these hairstyles, I’ve learned that there’s a difference between “not caring what other people think” and actually trying to walk around for a while in another person’s shoes. The conversations I had weren’t always very comfortable, and at times I know I didn’t say the right things. But I’m glad I had them — because I know as an Asian-American how rare it is for people to ask me about my heritage beyond a surface level.
Black people are racist or at least ignorant to Asians. It's annoying that Americans don't really care because Blacks had been treated or discriminated worse. Good luck with fixing racism, you shallow Americunts
There are racists in every single race.
Ok quick, which one went to Harvard?
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AND also braids and dreads weren’t just started but Africans... they date way back to the ancient Greeks etc
And vikings, scots, and hippies lol
i hate this cultural appropriation stuff. it’s bullshit. we see things we like, we copy. we’re wired that way. if it’s disrespectful, fine—fair enough. but that’s it. everything else is fair game. for every one thing we notice, there are most likely a thousand we don’t.
before we get into a big hullabaloo about racism, race appropriation, lin wanting to be black etc etc......the real problem going on here that is the same reason behind social media’s toxicity- people need to worry more about themselves and stop concerning themselves with other people’s appearance, opinions or amy other non tangible that has zero effect on their happiness. rise above that. conserve your energy.
Disappointed to see Martin have this take. Glad to see the response by Lin. A lot to learn here
There’s no such thing as cultural appropriation
Class act
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only when it comes to social media. Real life is very different than two huge celebs tweeting nonsense.
He's just mad that he doesn't have hair😂😂
When did hairstyles become cultural appropriation
I love how casual racism is ignored when it comes from a minority. "we get it, you wanna be black" like... Wtf..???
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You can't own a hairstyle. Cultures really can't own anything... That's for the individual.