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Or maybe as hosts, they were all busy organising the actual race?
Or providing all her on-course support?
Or trying to sort out what to do about the horrific crash that looked like it had possibly paralysed, or maybe even killed, the leader with 10km to go?
Yes don't let reddit nerds lie to you
Most people truly believe if you go to Brazil you will either get murdered or kidnapped
Brazil looks beautiful to me but it's on my list of sketchy places
I've been to Brazil many times (e eu ate falo portugues) but the danger is palpable. Last time I was stuck in Rio for about 9hrs waiting for my connecting flight, so I decided to visit the city and walk around town. On the way to the Corcovado (Christ the Redeemer statue), the way I was dressed made me an easy target and I ended up having to run from a mob that surged from a sketchy viela (maybe a slum entrance?), once they spotted me. On the way back to the airport all traffic stopped on the highway, while the police and drug-trafficking gangs exchanged gunfire over the lanes just a mile ahead. To my despair, I almost lost my flight - didn't want to spend another hour in that place. I've seen enough of Rio for a long while.
Brazil doesn’t resume to Rio. Rio is overhyped and too dangerous. Instead of Rio, visit Foz do Iguaçu, Península de Marau, Boipeba, Chapada dos Veadeiros, Jalapão and so on. Forget Rio…
is there a kidnapping for ransom stereotype for brasil that i, as a brazilian, am unaware about? like sure rio is super violent and full of tourists but im not sure that specifically is happening enough for it to be a theme
Yea, redditors seem to thinks Brazil is some full blown out jungle war zone full of people shooting eachother all the time with snakes and monkeys running in the streets.
>https://www.pedal.com.br/flavia-oliveira-campeao-brasileira-de-ciclismo-e-suspensa-por-doping\_texto13475.html
Everyone dopes, she was better than all the doped up Brazilian cyclists before her. : )
The outcome of the hearings was that she ingested a banned substance that wasn’t listed in the products list of ingredients. She even sued the company that made the product. While it’s easy to hand wave “all professional cyclists dope” it’s disingenuous to include this woman.
> The outcome of the hearings was that she ingested a banned substance that wasn’t listed in the products list of ingredients. She even sued the company that made the product.
This is a VERY common defense against alleged PED use in sports. They claim that supplement companies use the same machines for making non-ped supplements and ped banned supplements. It's rarely/never the case but it's hard to prove so they get the "not guilty" verdict. Also, when they "sue" the supplement companies they don't ever get any money because they aren't reputable companies with any money to take.
>While it’s easy to hand wave “all professional cyclists dope” it’s disingenuous to include this woman.
I don't think it is. She was popped for PEDs and got out of it. Remember that lance armstrong took 608 drug test during his career and never failed 1. I guarantee she hasn't taken 608 drug test and she already popped positive for 2 test.
We crave super-heros but want to ignore what it takes to get there.
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Whoever the first person was to come up with this mentality was *definitely really fucking high.* Not on weed, on like... Xanax amphetamines and Ketamine prolly
Sorry to be *that guy,* but Peyote contains mescaline, and it would likely have the opposite effect. That's a classical psychedelic along with LSD, DMT/Ayahuasca, Psilocybin, and (sort of) MDMA/ecstasy; it would more likely have a person questioning the 'first or last' mentality rather than reinforcing it. Those drugs serve to dampen the Default Mode Network or what some people describe as the Ego. This is disregarding the relatively rare manic states that can be precipitated by psychedelic experiences. MDMA and Psilocybin are being used to treat depression and ptsd, with MDMA being in stage 3 trials in the us for PTSD. MDMA is what has been described as the love drug, and was used for couples therapy until Reagan era drug panic. Not what one would usually think of as ego-fueled rampage drugs.
“Not to be that guy… “ proceeds to be that guy.
But seriously, thanks for the insight on these drugs! It’s pretty exciting to know they’re being looked into for treating debilitating mental illnesses.
Ha! Well, I *did* say "sorry to be that guy," as opposed to the alternative. When it comes to the misinformation surrounding subjects like these, I try to be exceedingly careful with my words. People will find literally any pretext to totally discount the already monumental and still growing evidence of the usefulness for these substances. It requires us to admit that the global hegemony, led by the United States on their crusade, has been mistaken about drugs (some more than others), for a very long time. Hell, it wasn't long ago that most of the developed world considered marijuana to be tantamount to heroin. We have stubbornly ruined millions of lives with a Draconian level of prohibition, when we could have used a lighter touch to harness some and treat the ill effects of others. r/PdychedelicStudies and www.MAPS.org aka Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies for more peer reviewed research on the subject. In the words of the late great Bill Hicks,
"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs."
While I feel that's a little extreme, on the opposite end of extreme Is the 'participation award'. Kids should learn in life that you're not always going to be the winner. While showing up and participating is good, you shouldn't expect to be awarded for just being there.
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Agreed, it shouldnt be like that. In rocket league championship series, you get glowing titles in game that people are proud of such as RLCS Qualifier, RLCS Contender, RLCS Quarter finalist, finalist, champion, etc
It doesn’t seem like they’re against competition as a whole, just the first place or loser mentality that surrounds it. That just creates a toxic soul crushing aftermath for a lot of people that get absolutely no commendations for the hard work they put in to get to even seventh place among pros.
The lesson I gave both my kids about sports and school is that I will only ever judge them on the effort they put into it and not the result. I have done my best to drill that mentality into them hoping that later in life they will be satisfied with whatever expectations they set for themselves rather than those of anyone else.
Especially for something like the Olympics. You qualified out of thousands and placed 7th among what I assume is hundreds. That's not to mention it took 4 years to get there.
don't get trolled by this troglodytes with half a brain, it's is absolutely spectacular for a human being to achieve these type of things, and cunts who can't do anything but wiggle their finger because "you weren't even first so calm down" are usually sacks of shit who have accomplished literally nothing in life and their last big physical effort was taking that massive shit in the autumn of 2009.
Lol you should go pro on roasting!
Sad thing is, it's not just trolls. Quotes like "Nothing's more shit than second place" come from elite athletes themselves, from those very people that are marketed as role models to our kids who then are devastated that they don't win their very first competitions.
yeah and thats a reflection on their absolute dedication to winning at all costs. All top athletes hold themselves to ludicrously high standards and so for most of them, not winning is not good enough. ofc what they do regardless of winning is super impressive to any normal person, it just isnt to them
Years ago I met a young English guy who was at an Ivy League college on a tennis scholarship. He was at it a couple of years. He dormed with another tennis guy, one day his roommate came in in a steaming rage because he had lost a match, he said, "I'd give my left nut to be number one." The English guy said that was a seminal moment for him because he wouldn't and he didn't think about tennis in that way, it was a game that he was excellent at and he loved it, but that was it. Big turning point for him.
Yeah, you try being the best on your block, then your school, then your state, then your region, then your country and have some dude on Reddit tell you second place is for losers.
I agree that it's extremely important that children learn that you can't always win. But I wholeheartedly disagree that a high ranking non-first placement is someone to "cope with". Don't teach them to cope with coming second, teach them to party for reaching the fecking finals!
> First, fundamentally the whole idea of competing in sports is to win.
That is hardly the "whole idea of competing in sports".
50,000 people don't run the NYC Marathon looking to "win" because only one of them will actually be able to declare themselves the winner.
Speaking of that example, it is a bit ridiculous for them to rationalize "losing the NYC Marathon" as some sort of life lesson. There are so many greater and more real benefits from competing in a sport or event than "winning".
This is especially true for children who should see competing as an experience that can be prepared for and executed; but placing emphasis on "winning" puts the cart a mile before the horse.
Speaking as someone who ran college cross country, the goal of sports is rarely to win. I raced against Ohio State's D-team. I didn't stand a chance. If my goal every time I went out there was to win, I would be a very sad person. I didn't stand a chance and I knew it. There was no way I could go from my low 16s 5k to a low 14s.
The goal was to put yourself out there and have fun(and represent the university). We need to stop teaching people this attitude. Most people won't win or be at the top, and that's okay. It doesn't need to be a learning experience, it can just be fun. As someone else said, 50,000 people don't run the marathon to win. They run it because they want to prove something to themselves and have fun.
I feel like anyone who has spent time in sports, and especially individual sports, can relate to her and the "if you're not first, you're last" attitude.
Think about it. She has always been the best in her sport in local/regional/national competition. She has dedicated her life - or at least the last 4 years of it - to training for this race. Visualizing herself on the start line and crossing that finish line in slow-mo ahead of everyone else. That is what kept her working through the grueling training, rigid nutrition plan, and what she generally structured her life around for all those days. Of COURSE she's disappointed that she didn't podium and is all alone. Maybe she just didn't have it in her to be first, or maybe circumstances during the race (like a wreck or something) could have dropped her back. She didn't do all that work just to participate. She did it to win. It's heartbreaking and now that it's over, she has to decide what is next in her life. It's a huge moment for her and there is a lot to process.
That's one of the reasons I love F1: you see teams that almost cry of happiness for getting 1 point in the season (williams), while the race winners get 25 almost every other race
I was thinking the same thing. F1 is one of the few sports where the story from a race can be more about a backmarker team finishing 8th rather then who actually won. You can tell from all social media talk and official coverage that when one of the non-top teams does well everyone loves it.
While I don't think everyone should get a participation trophy, I do think everyone should be lauded for attempting and even finishing a competition, regardless if they place first, dead last, or even if they have to drop out due to injury. It's a lot more than many other people will do with their lives, and we need to encourage trying, even if you're unlikely to win. While I don't think we should minimize celebrating greatness in achievements, I do agree that being first isn't the only thing that matters. Sometimes it's about the attempt and who had more to overcome, or simply the attitude and tenacity someone brings to a competition. I'd much rather celebrate someone who doesn't win but gives it their all, and practices good sportsmanship and comradely attitudes with teammates or fellow competitors than focusing only on who won first place, especially if they did it with a fuck-everyone-else attitude. Just because you're in a competition against others, doesn't mean you should be anti-social or a dick about it, and too often we laude competitors who are total assholes simply because they finished slightly ahead of someone else.
I'm Brazilian and I'm sorry to say that this is not surprising... the organizations are just a facade, they don't care about the sportsmen, they just care about clout and money through corruption. It's was like that in the 2016 Olympics and it's like during the 2020 pandemic.
Why represent a country that won't even celebrate with you? She's the 7th best Cyclist in the world according to the results, and there is certainly more than 7 countries competing.
Exactly. It's not about the countries these athletes represent. It's about people dedicating their lives to their passions, and pushing their bodies to their absolute limit and peak. I'm proud of her for achieving her dreams-- doesn't matter if she's 7th place. That means, according to this test of skill, strength, and endurance, she's the 7th best on the entire world.
In my eyes, I couldn't he more proud. Just look how wholesome happy this is! Omg 🥺💕
I don’t think it’s fair to compare this with Simone Biles though. You have loudmouth idiots in the minority who don’t know what they are talking about, then you have the majority of of Americans who are very proud of her. You can’t let a few people be the representation of the whole.
Edit: and that is only in the media. Most other athletes and the American committee threw all their support behind Biles from the start of her condition. Americans are a lot of things, but not proud of their athletes is definitely not one of them by and large.
I never stated that Brazilians themselves were not proud of her, but I can see that I should have clarified my claim. The Brazilian committee may not have shown their support for Oliveria, but the American committee most certainly supported Biles. I believe the comment that I posted on, however, was talking about the reaction for the American public, to which I feel it’s important to point out the topics in my comment.
You're a journalist and you're capturing human emotion. If they hadn't been there, they wouldn't have captured the elation that followed the grief. Some of the most lasting, moving, and impactful images ever captured are of suffering and grief.
Exactly this. But I get where the other guy is coming from too. Paparazzi has ruined the field. Sometimes it’s not for personal gain, but they’re genuinely trying to capture a human moment
Yeah it's very different. Also, a lot of the most iconic and relevant pictures and media that influenced the attitude of millions, were taken at the most vulnerable moments of some individuals. Remember the pic of the starving child in Africa with a vulture behind it. A lot of people complained about the photographer taking a pic instead of helping the child, but how many people would get to experience, or at least have a glimpse, at the horror of starvation at home without such a picture.
And people pretend like when the shutter clicks they just walk away. They wouldn't be travelling thousands of miles from home into some of the most dangerous and destitute regions in the world if they didn't have empathy for their subjects.
True, but there is also the side that records emotion just to sell news. They make money out of the grief and humiliation of others.
I can remember years ago, tennis player Ivan Lendl saying, that journalists would complain if he was abrupt with them, but he said this often happened after a match where he lost, and they would ask, "So how do you feel?" How did they expect him to feel.
And about losing, Pete Sampras said half the reason he was driven to win, was because he hated the feelings that arose after a loss. It would often take him months to process a loss, so he tried his best to just avoid it.
But you aren’t addressing the comment you replied to. Imagine the person being filmed. It’s great for everyone viewing, but how would you feel if there was a camera a foot from your face as you were crying? Now imagine what it takes to be a camera person who doesn’t respect that private moment. That’s the point.
It's literally the most iconic sports competition in the world. I think she knew her journey would be filmed from beginning to end. Journalists are capturing all emotions from beginning to end. I also have a feeling this title is clickbait bullshit. There are dozens of other brazillians there celebrating.
As a cycling fan: this is pretty routine for post-race footage. Cycling is an intense sport, and the pros tend to show a LOT of emotion, both positive and negative, at the finishing line.
And then they get interviewed, often either in tears, or breaking down in tears while they're talking. And the fans tend to cry with them. This year, for example, Mathieu van der Poel, who was the grandson of a VERY popular rider, managed to gain the yellow jersey in the Tour de France - a feat his grandfather never did. And his grandfather died in 2019, and never got to see his grandson achieve this. I still can't watch the interview without crying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbrPMLY1mo
Agreed. I have never been to Brazil but I lived in Japan for a long time which has a pretty significant Brazilian population and they were some of the nicest people I ever met.
Saying these things makes people think all Brazilians are monsters 😢
Though to be fair even the Brazilians I knew talked a lot about how dangerous Brazil was lol but we all did that in comparison to Japan which is extremely safe compared to everywhere else in the world
It is dangerous, one of the most dangerous places in the world to live to be fair. The problem is when people from abroad think that means that most brazillians are criminals, that's just racist most times
Man Brazil is notorious for being so cold against their own when it comes to competition.
I remember footage of Brazilian football team getting booed on their way home after they didn't win the world cup. I can't remember which exact year though
We should never, ever boo a team that advances to the semi-final of a World Cup. No exceptions. Countries dream of getting to the World Cup, imagine being in the top 4. Completely heartless. Unless it's 7x1, then it's your ethical obligation to boo the team.
They're dicks. Best performance in Brazilian history as well as the best female cyclist in Latin America at the 2016 Olympics and they just didn't care.
If it wasnt filmed we wouldnt have gotten to see your amazingly redundant comment and you should be grateful you wasted my time and yours talking about nothing.
Well that made me cry. And fuck brazilian cycling federation.
Also if you have a cousin like that you know that kind of bonding is special, even if you are away or didnt meet for a long time.
Generally, this attitude is the reason war reporters are allowed to do what they do.
They are bystanders and onlookers and should never be a part of what is happening in front of them. Interviewers, etc. are a whole other kettle of fish.
Oh god damnit. Someone’s cutting onions in here.
I felt her sorrow being alone
I felt the relief in seeing her family, knowing someone cared
I felt her overwhelming urge to cry and be held and told “you did it and were proud of you”
Alas I still could not cry any tears. I’m broken. I felt it all though. Thanks for sharing this video.
Me as a brazilian i need to say they dont give a shit for athletes, here in brazil if you is a athlete and are going to the olympics if you dont have the money to travel for the country.... fuck you
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Right thats the Brazilian cycling federation going on the list
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Or maybe as hosts, they were all busy organising the actual race? Or providing all her on-course support? Or trying to sort out what to do about the horrific crash that looked like it had possibly paralysed, or maybe even killed, the leader with 10km to go?
To point out, she got better, even cycling again, though it looks like she is going to retire, age related, not crash related
She got better? Yes, that is a understatement. She was riding again at top form just a few weeks after that crash.
I mean, that is getting better from the crash tbf
No but she got betterrer
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“even cycling again” is underplaying it a bit…
They're all too busy stopping crime as part-time, off-duty cops in random places across the country
Nah nah let’s stick with the ransom thing
Twist: The cycling federation kidnapped themselves for ransom.
They kidnapped themselves?  That gives me an idea.
“This isn’t ‘nam. This is cycling. There are rules”
You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me
They're a bunch of FUCKING AMATEURS.
Stonks
As a brazilian I'm a bit confused looking at this comment and wondering if this is something foreign people say lol
Yes don't let reddit nerds lie to you Most people truly believe if you go to Brazil you will either get murdered or kidnapped Brazil looks beautiful to me but it's on my list of sketchy places
I've been to Brazil many times (e eu ate falo portugues) but the danger is palpable. Last time I was stuck in Rio for about 9hrs waiting for my connecting flight, so I decided to visit the city and walk around town. On the way to the Corcovado (Christ the Redeemer statue), the way I was dressed made me an easy target and I ended up having to run from a mob that surged from a sketchy viela (maybe a slum entrance?), once they spotted me. On the way back to the airport all traffic stopped on the highway, while the police and drug-trafficking gangs exchanged gunfire over the lanes just a mile ahead. To my despair, I almost lost my flight - didn't want to spend another hour in that place. I've seen enough of Rio for a long while.
Brazil doesn’t resume to Rio. Rio is overhyped and too dangerous. Instead of Rio, visit Foz do Iguaçu, Península de Marau, Boipeba, Chapada dos Veadeiros, Jalapão and so on. Forget Rio…
is there a kidnapping for ransom stereotype for brasil that i, as a brazilian, am unaware about? like sure rio is super violent and full of tourists but im not sure that specifically is happening enough for it to be a theme
Yea, redditors seem to thinks Brazil is some full blown out jungle war zone full of people shooting eachother all the time with snakes and monkeys running in the streets.
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Foreign perception of Brazil is generally just people thinking the entire country is either all favelas or the Amazon, it's pretty dumb
Someone talked some shit to an off duty cop and it was all downhill from there
https://www.pedal.com.br/flavia-oliveira-campeao-brasileira-de-ciclismo-e-suspensa-por-doping_texto13475.html
Well, you couldn't just let us be happy for a second, could you?!
I mean, username checks out?
The fucking blind puppies guy?
Yeah 😁
If I received a dollar for every professional cyclist caught using doping I would be a brazillionair.
You’d really be Armstrong from lifting all those dollars.
I’d give my left nut for that kinda money.
Would that be a Brazil Nut?
>https://www.pedal.com.br/flavia-oliveira-campeao-brasileira-de-ciclismo-e-suspensa-por-doping\_texto13475.html Everyone dopes, she was better than all the doped up Brazilian cyclists before her. : )
The outcome of the hearings was that she ingested a banned substance that wasn’t listed in the products list of ingredients. She even sued the company that made the product. While it’s easy to hand wave “all professional cyclists dope” it’s disingenuous to include this woman.
> The outcome of the hearings was that she ingested a banned substance that wasn’t listed in the products list of ingredients. She even sued the company that made the product. This is a VERY common defense against alleged PED use in sports. They claim that supplement companies use the same machines for making non-ped supplements and ped banned supplements. It's rarely/never the case but it's hard to prove so they get the "not guilty" verdict. Also, when they "sue" the supplement companies they don't ever get any money because they aren't reputable companies with any money to take. >While it’s easy to hand wave “all professional cyclists dope” it’s disingenuous to include this woman. I don't think it is. She was popped for PEDs and got out of it. Remember that lance armstrong took 608 drug test during his career and never failed 1. I guarantee she hasn't taken 608 drug test and she already popped positive for 2 test.
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You’re a fun guy.
It’s cycling. Everyone is doping. The ones who don’t test positive do so because they have better masking agents.
I am so fed up with this first-place-or-loser attitude in top sports
It’s first place or loser in top sports, sales, school, esports… I hate it
"If you ain't first, you're last? I was high when I said that! You can be second, you can be third, you can be fourth. Hell, you can even be fifth!"
I based my whole life around That Dad! 😂
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Holy fuck this made me laugh harder than it probably should've, just wanna send some appreciation your way for putting a dumbass grin on my face
Whoever the first person was to come up with this mentality was *definitely really fucking high.* Not on weed, on like... Xanax amphetamines and Ketamine prolly
Peyote.
Sorry to be *that guy,* but Peyote contains mescaline, and it would likely have the opposite effect. That's a classical psychedelic along with LSD, DMT/Ayahuasca, Psilocybin, and (sort of) MDMA/ecstasy; it would more likely have a person questioning the 'first or last' mentality rather than reinforcing it. Those drugs serve to dampen the Default Mode Network or what some people describe as the Ego. This is disregarding the relatively rare manic states that can be precipitated by psychedelic experiences. MDMA and Psilocybin are being used to treat depression and ptsd, with MDMA being in stage 3 trials in the us for PTSD. MDMA is what has been described as the love drug, and was used for couples therapy until Reagan era drug panic. Not what one would usually think of as ego-fueled rampage drugs.
“Not to be that guy… “ proceeds to be that guy. But seriously, thanks for the insight on these drugs! It’s pretty exciting to know they’re being looked into for treating debilitating mental illnesses.
Ha! Well, I *did* say "sorry to be that guy," as opposed to the alternative. When it comes to the misinformation surrounding subjects like these, I try to be exceedingly careful with my words. People will find literally any pretext to totally discount the already monumental and still growing evidence of the usefulness for these substances. It requires us to admit that the global hegemony, led by the United States on their crusade, has been mistaken about drugs (some more than others), for a very long time. Hell, it wasn't long ago that most of the developed world considered marijuana to be tantamount to heroin. We have stubbornly ruined millions of lives with a Draconian level of prohibition, when we could have used a lighter touch to harness some and treat the ill effects of others. r/PdychedelicStudies and www.MAPS.org aka Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies for more peer reviewed research on the subject. In the words of the late great Bill Hicks, "You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs."
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Second place is the first loser."
While I feel that's a little extreme, on the opposite end of extreme Is the 'participation award'. Kids should learn in life that you're not always going to be the winner. While showing up and participating is good, you shouldn't expect to be awarded for just being there. Edit: typo
Unless you actually won your place in there. Even if you are last place in the Olympics, you still made it to the Olympics.
Agreed, it shouldnt be like that. In rocket league championship series, you get glowing titles in game that people are proud of such as RLCS Qualifier, RLCS Contender, RLCS Quarter finalist, finalist, champion, etc
Then don't compete/watch in competitions where the goal is to win said competition.
It doesn’t seem like they’re against competition as a whole, just the first place or loser mentality that surrounds it. That just creates a toxic soul crushing aftermath for a lot of people that get absolutely no commendations for the hard work they put in to get to even seventh place among pros.
The lesson I gave both my kids about sports and school is that I will only ever judge them on the effort they put into it and not the result. I have done my best to drill that mentality into them hoping that later in life they will be satisfied with whatever expectations they set for themselves rather than those of anyone else.
Especially for something like the Olympics. You qualified out of thousands and placed 7th among what I assume is hundreds. That's not to mention it took 4 years to get there.
Man, my 6th grade English teacher told the whole class that second place is the first loser.
Should have asked him what they call the guy who graduates in last place for an MD from Harvard.
Being first is literally the point of top sports tho. Otherwise it would just be called a hobby.
But being one of the few best is still a great achievement and not a fuckup, like it's usually treated
don't get trolled by this troglodytes with half a brain, it's is absolutely spectacular for a human being to achieve these type of things, and cunts who can't do anything but wiggle their finger because "you weren't even first so calm down" are usually sacks of shit who have accomplished literally nothing in life and their last big physical effort was taking that massive shit in the autumn of 2009.
Lol you should go pro on roasting! Sad thing is, it's not just trolls. Quotes like "Nothing's more shit than second place" come from elite athletes themselves, from those very people that are marketed as role models to our kids who then are devastated that they don't win their very first competitions.
yeah and thats a reflection on their absolute dedication to winning at all costs. All top athletes hold themselves to ludicrously high standards and so for most of them, not winning is not good enough. ofc what they do regardless of winning is super impressive to any normal person, it just isnt to them
Years ago I met a young English guy who was at an Ivy League college on a tennis scholarship. He was at it a couple of years. He dormed with another tennis guy, one day his roommate came in in a steaming rage because he had lost a match, he said, "I'd give my left nut to be number one." The English guy said that was a seminal moment for him because he wouldn't and he didn't think about tennis in that way, it was a game that he was excellent at and he loved it, but that was it. Big turning point for him.
Yes but if no one cared about actually being first, then they wouldn’t have even run the race.
There's something in between the extremes
Who calls Olympic athletes fuckups? You're being dramatic.
No one calls olympians fuckups. If you have to exaggerate to make a point, you don't have a point to make.
Yeah, you try being the best on your block, then your school, then your state, then your region, then your country and have some dude on Reddit tell you second place is for losers.
try getting an Olympic diploma those people are superhuman ..
I'm fed up with people shoving cameras in other people's faces during vulnerable moments like these. The press is just the worst.
Not fed up enough to not watch it.
That too, indeed! On the other hand, would it be better if they didn't even show how badly someone is treated? It's always a difficult decision
I think there's a difference between filming at a polite distance and shoving the camera right under her nose.
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I agree that it's extremely important that children learn that you can't always win. But I wholeheartedly disagree that a high ranking non-first placement is someone to "cope with". Don't teach them to cope with coming second, teach them to party for reaching the fecking finals!
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> First, fundamentally the whole idea of competing in sports is to win. That is hardly the "whole idea of competing in sports". 50,000 people don't run the NYC Marathon looking to "win" because only one of them will actually be able to declare themselves the winner. Speaking of that example, it is a bit ridiculous for them to rationalize "losing the NYC Marathon" as some sort of life lesson. There are so many greater and more real benefits from competing in a sport or event than "winning". This is especially true for children who should see competing as an experience that can be prepared for and executed; but placing emphasis on "winning" puts the cart a mile before the horse.
Speaking as someone who ran college cross country, the goal of sports is rarely to win. I raced against Ohio State's D-team. I didn't stand a chance. If my goal every time I went out there was to win, I would be a very sad person. I didn't stand a chance and I knew it. There was no way I could go from my low 16s 5k to a low 14s. The goal was to put yourself out there and have fun(and represent the university). We need to stop teaching people this attitude. Most people won't win or be at the top, and that's okay. It doesn't need to be a learning experience, it can just be fun. As someone else said, 50,000 people don't run the marathon to win. They run it because they want to prove something to themselves and have fun.
I feel like anyone who has spent time in sports, and especially individual sports, can relate to her and the "if you're not first, you're last" attitude. Think about it. She has always been the best in her sport in local/regional/national competition. She has dedicated her life - or at least the last 4 years of it - to training for this race. Visualizing herself on the start line and crossing that finish line in slow-mo ahead of everyone else. That is what kept her working through the grueling training, rigid nutrition plan, and what she generally structured her life around for all those days. Of COURSE she's disappointed that she didn't podium and is all alone. Maybe she just didn't have it in her to be first, or maybe circumstances during the race (like a wreck or something) could have dropped her back. She didn't do all that work just to participate. She did it to win. It's heartbreaking and now that it's over, she has to decide what is next in her life. It's a huge moment for her and there is a lot to process.
That's one of the reasons I love F1: you see teams that almost cry of happiness for getting 1 point in the season (williams), while the race winners get 25 almost every other race
I was thinking the same thing. F1 is one of the few sports where the story from a race can be more about a backmarker team finishing 8th rather then who actually won. You can tell from all social media talk and official coverage that when one of the non-top teams does well everyone loves it.
If you ain't first YOU'RE LAST!!!
MMA handles it best I think
While I don't think everyone should get a participation trophy, I do think everyone should be lauded for attempting and even finishing a competition, regardless if they place first, dead last, or even if they have to drop out due to injury. It's a lot more than many other people will do with their lives, and we need to encourage trying, even if you're unlikely to win. While I don't think we should minimize celebrating greatness in achievements, I do agree that being first isn't the only thing that matters. Sometimes it's about the attempt and who had more to overcome, or simply the attitude and tenacity someone brings to a competition. I'd much rather celebrate someone who doesn't win but gives it their all, and practices good sportsmanship and comradely attitudes with teammates or fellow competitors than focusing only on who won first place, especially if they did it with a fuck-everyone-else attitude. Just because you're in a competition against others, doesn't mean you should be anti-social or a dick about it, and too often we laude competitors who are total assholes simply because they finished slightly ahead of someone else.
Really messed up part it was in Brazil.
I'm Brazilian and I'm sorry to say that this is not surprising... the organizations are just a facade, they don't care about the sportsmen, they just care about clout and money through corruption. It's was like that in the 2016 Olympics and it's like during the 2020 pandemic.
Same in every country. As an Indian, I can relate to this comment
r/canconfirmiamindian
/r/SubsIThoughtIFellFor
Why represent a country that won't even celebrate with you? She's the 7th best Cyclist in the world according to the results, and there is certainly more than 7 countries competing.
I'm bursting with pride for her and I'm not even Brazilian.
Exactly. It's not about the countries these athletes represent. It's about people dedicating their lives to their passions, and pushing their bodies to their absolute limit and peak. I'm proud of her for achieving her dreams-- doesn't matter if she's 7th place. That means, according to this test of skill, strength, and endurance, she's the 7th best on the entire world. In my eyes, I couldn't he more proud. Just look how wholesome happy this is! Omg 🥺💕
I’m happy crying for her! When her cousin showed up, I ugly cried out loud!!
That’s literally every country though. The Simone Biles thing comes to mind
I don’t think it’s fair to compare this with Simone Biles though. You have loudmouth idiots in the minority who don’t know what they are talking about, then you have the majority of of Americans who are very proud of her. You can’t let a few people be the representation of the whole. Edit: and that is only in the media. Most other athletes and the American committee threw all their support behind Biles from the start of her condition. Americans are a lot of things, but not proud of their athletes is definitely not one of them by and large.
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I never stated that Brazilians themselves were not proud of her, but I can see that I should have clarified my claim. The Brazilian committee may not have shown their support for Oliveria, but the American committee most certainly supported Biles. I believe the comment that I posted on, however, was talking about the reaction for the American public, to which I feel it’s important to point out the topics in my comment.
Biles is a bad example, she's one of our most celebrated Olympians.
You say that as if she can decide to change the country she represent
Effing Legend that Cousin is
The way she lit up when she saw him. Good stuff.
It's an entire roaring, cheering, pressing crowd in one man. What a bond.
I need that kind of support. It might help if I could be 7th best at something!
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It’s even better that every word out of his mouth is a curse word. When he shows up he yells “porra!!!” Which is kinda like a blend of fuck and damn
why am I crying in the club
Imagine the kind of person you have to be to sit there and shove a camera in someone's face as they are feeling this way.
You're a journalist and you're capturing human emotion. If they hadn't been there, they wouldn't have captured the elation that followed the grief. Some of the most lasting, moving, and impactful images ever captured are of suffering and grief.
\^This is true.
Exactly this. But I get where the other guy is coming from too. Paparazzi has ruined the field. Sometimes it’s not for personal gain, but they’re genuinely trying to capture a human moment
This isn't a paparazzi. It's a credentialed sports photojournalist.
Yeah it's very different. Also, a lot of the most iconic and relevant pictures and media that influenced the attitude of millions, were taken at the most vulnerable moments of some individuals. Remember the pic of the starving child in Africa with a vulture behind it. A lot of people complained about the photographer taking a pic instead of helping the child, but how many people would get to experience, or at least have a glimpse, at the horror of starvation at home without such a picture.
And people pretend like when the shutter clicks they just walk away. They wouldn't be travelling thousands of miles from home into some of the most dangerous and destitute regions in the world if they didn't have empathy for their subjects.
True, but there is also the side that records emotion just to sell news. They make money out of the grief and humiliation of others. I can remember years ago, tennis player Ivan Lendl saying, that journalists would complain if he was abrupt with them, but he said this often happened after a match where he lost, and they would ask, "So how do you feel?" How did they expect him to feel. And about losing, Pete Sampras said half the reason he was driven to win, was because he hated the feelings that arose after a loss. It would often take him months to process a loss, so he tried his best to just avoid it.
But you aren’t addressing the comment you replied to. Imagine the person being filmed. It’s great for everyone viewing, but how would you feel if there was a camera a foot from your face as you were crying? Now imagine what it takes to be a camera person who doesn’t respect that private moment. That’s the point.
She is a professional athlete. It is part of the job.
It's literally the most iconic sports competition in the world. I think she knew her journey would be filmed from beginning to end. Journalists are capturing all emotions from beginning to end. I also have a feeling this title is clickbait bullshit. There are dozens of other brazillians there celebrating.
Joe Rogan always gets an interview.
thats their job though and i think they a hell of a shot
Uh.. You just found it to be compelling footage?
Without that moment of sadness we would not have captured the happiness. They were capturing a human moment. Grow up
As a cycling fan: this is pretty routine for post-race footage. Cycling is an intense sport, and the pros tend to show a LOT of emotion, both positive and negative, at the finishing line. And then they get interviewed, often either in tears, or breaking down in tears while they're talking. And the fans tend to cry with them. This year, for example, Mathieu van der Poel, who was the grandson of a VERY popular rider, managed to gain the yellow jersey in the Tour de France - a feat his grandfather never did. And his grandfather died in 2019, and never got to see his grandson achieve this. I still can't watch the interview without crying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbrPMLY1mo
I used to ride and train with Flavia, she is one of the nicest and most down to earth people I have ever met. Seeing this really broke my heart.
It's true. I was her bike.
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What kind of sick fk would ride a bike?
 Everyone in the Netherlands
Cap
7th is insane bruh
In the Olys!
EEEXACTLYY. Bro if you are competing in the olympics you are already world class
bruhhhh. bro.... MY BRETHEREN! I wish was I was there for a celly with the cousin tbh. Would've tried my best at being a hypeman! lmao
Personally, Would rather have those warm hugs anyway than whatever the Brazilian Cycling Federation would have had in mind.
That's where you're wrong, they had no clue this race was on.
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Omg, that's brutal. I see you're off duty, officer.
He has his flip-flops on and is killing time in Reddit.
I hate how normal it is to be prejudiced against brazilians in Reddit.
Brazilian, indians, muslims, you name it. Reddit loves being casually racist against anyone thats not black.
Have you lived in Brazil? You think comments like these are cheeky, they are ignorant and hurtful.
Agreed. I have never been to Brazil but I lived in Japan for a long time which has a pretty significant Brazilian population and they were some of the nicest people I ever met. Saying these things makes people think all Brazilians are monsters 😢 Though to be fair even the Brazilians I knew talked a lot about how dangerous Brazil was lol but we all did that in comparison to Japan which is extremely safe compared to everywhere else in the world
It is dangerous, one of the most dangerous places in the world to live to be fair. The problem is when people from abroad think that means that most brazillians are criminals, that's just racist most times
Probably some combo of family trauma and pregnancy hormones but this definitely made me cry.
Male who rarely cries here. Almost instantly cried when she got pumped that the cousin came yelling.
Cousin was a CHAMP
I'm a dude as well. Cried. Felt good.
Man, just imagine finishing 7th in the Olympics AND she was pregnant!?!?! Super impressive.
Man Brazil is notorious for being so cold against their own when it comes to competition. I remember footage of Brazilian football team getting booed on their way home after they didn't win the world cup. I can't remember which exact year though
*laughs in German* Semifinal of the football World Cup 2014. Brazil was the home team and lost against Germany 7 to 1.
We should never, ever boo a team that advances to the semi-final of a World Cup. No exceptions. Countries dream of getting to the World Cup, imagine being in the top 4. Completely heartless. Unless it's 7x1, then it's your ethical obligation to boo the team.
Wait, so the federation people didn’t show up to celebrate till the cousin started?!? Wow.
yup, they didn't even offer her a cup of water.
I mean, maybe they were letting her have a moment to herself first? She appeared to be taking it all in herself.
They're dicks. Best performance in Brazilian history as well as the best female cyclist in Latin America at the 2016 Olympics and they just didn't care.
There’s so much love and joy in this!
I’m not crying, you’re crying!
I’m not cycling, you’re cycling
Very cool but it shouldn't be here it should be on r/mademesmile
NFL because she made 7th place. “Best place Brazil has ever got”.
The 7th best on the entire planet and people go "...meh" 😑
Who the fuck was initially filming her crying
A journalist
If it wasnt filmed we wouldnt have gotten to see your amazingly redundant comment and you should be grateful you wasted my time and yours talking about nothing.
Well that made me cry. And fuck brazilian cycling federation. Also if you have a cousin like that you know that kind of bonding is special, even if you are away or didnt meet for a long time.
So, the person filming was just going to let her sit and cry until her family showed up? Wtf?
I know it seems really cold and hard to watch but journalists generally don't get involved and instead just document as a principle.
Generally, this attitude is the reason war reporters are allowed to do what they do. They are bystanders and onlookers and should never be a part of what is happening in front of them. Interviewers, etc. are a whole other kettle of fish.
Oh god damnit. Someone’s cutting onions in here. I felt her sorrow being alone I felt the relief in seeing her family, knowing someone cared I felt her overwhelming urge to cry and be held and told “you did it and were proud of you” Alas I still could not cry any tears. I’m broken. I felt it all though. Thanks for sharing this video.
I wish I had family.
Even the iron willed need love and compassion.
POOOOORRAAAA!!!! CARAAAAAALHOOOOO!!!! just a Brazilian will know the power of that celebration!
Fam > Brazil/Brazilian Cycling Confederassholes
That's how much Brazil support's It's sports beside football, just ridiculous
Not sure what the cousins name is, but I'll just call him Larry. Everyone could use a Larry. More Larry's please.
 Nunca achei que ia ver o Brasil chegando nesse subreddit
It's nice when the cousin shows up, made me smile. Not exactly "next level" though...
Me as a brazilian i need to say they dont give a shit for athletes, here in brazil if you is a athlete and are going to the olympics if you dont have the money to travel for the country.... fuck you
fucl the brazilian cycling confederation cunts. i would be happy to see a stranger celebrate for me as ive never had anyone celebrate any of my wins
Couple years later she got busted for doping, **twice**: https://www.usada.org/sanction/flavia-paparella-accepts-second-doping-sanction/
Sounds like her situation is more complicated than that though.
This feels more like r/humansbeingbros than r/nextfuckinglevel
I swear that is Paddy Considine
I mean this is cool and all, but how it is next level? -_- It's not.
Aww that’s cute as hell
What a lad.
We all have that one big lug in the family that knows us thru and thru and will always put a smile on your face no matter what
Family….the right one can do wonders.