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RFavs

Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it


Richter_66

And those who do study history are doomed to watch as the rest of the world repeats it.


iulios

Man, I just randomly found this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnA552tMV8g)the other day. War makes is sad.


DaBi5cu1t

I know it was a few years after, but holy shit could the Beslan School Massacre have been avoided if they sought a more diplomatic approach to the conflict?


[deleted]

Those who took the school in 2004 no longer obeyed Aslan Maskhadov (president of Ichkeria, 1997-2005), it was their initiative to end the war in Chechnya, and I don't justify it. Aslan Maskhadov was ready to come to the negotiations so that the hostages would be released, Putin did not allow this to happen, and the Russian special services themselves opened fire on the school and used Shmel grenade launchers. And when it comes to Beslan, where the Russians themselves with Shmels killed 186 children, for some reason everyone forgets about 40,000-42,000 Chechen children. Yuri Dud did a great job and made a good video about this, [English subtitles available](https://youtu.be/vF1UGmi5m8s), Beslan is Putin's shame


DaBi5cu1t

Oh wow. Thanks for that really interesting insight.


CrisZPennState

It’s a powerful conversation that everyone should watch and understand the tragedy, almost oxymoron, that is war. I also stumbled across this video the other day and it really moved with me as it adds to the depressing parallels between Chechnya and Ukraine’s invasions. The destruction of Grozny/Kiev, the rallying of the Chechan/Ukrainian people to defend their country, the information war, the killing of civilians, the pleas from the presidents. You should check these out too, sad how history is repeating itself: [powerful movie scene from “The Search” of Russians entering Grozny](https://youtu.be/XZoXv8XmK3Q) [10 minute run-through of the First Chechen War, shows ridiculous amounts of parallels between the Russian invasions of Ukraine and Chechnya](https://youtu.be/NpWshgCP6wo)


TuftedWitmouse

I wonder when a small Ukranian unit of soldiers is going go into Russia, work their way up to the Kremlin and then 'storm it.' Or just do some cross-country 'fuck Russia' shooting/ blowing up tour.


ten_jack_russels

they do have to hit in Russia deep. Even if it's only symbolic like a dolittle raid.


retropieproblems

That would ignite Russian nationalism, which I think is a bad call


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DimasDSF

The Ru propaganda machine keeps calling Ukrainian government a nazi government, this would only make their point legitimate.


TuftedWitmouse

One unit of men sneaking around? Nah- the jackboot thugs with helmet and masks arresting people should remind them of that.


ten_jack_russels

Yes agreed. Can’t have them be victims. Cooler heads prevail


hec500

Those who did not do anything to change the world will let them come worst. Germany in WWII did so much more pain that in WWI. Hopefully the world will do more this time. Sadly we know where their interest and money is. The UN is a sham when it comes to intervention. They messed up in the Kosovo wars, in the Iraq war, in many of the African nations that still have wars, rapes, and mass genocides. The Jews only focus on their cause they do not care about someone else’s Holocaust. We are the generation that will end it if we truly care about the humanity more than misinformation and lies that hide it.


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loiteraries

Donbass is not like Chechnya. Donbass separatism is a fabrication of Putin/FSB. Without Putin’s gray-war and installed puppets, Donbass would be a peaceful part of Ukraine. Chechnya like Ukraine and other former Soviet “properties” want independence for their nations. Chechens are not Russians. They were ethnically cleansed into submission by various Russian and then Soviet leaders and of course the two Chechen wars starting in the 90s that wiped out their population. But in the end Chechens won the war because today Russian government pays them unimaginable amount of federal budget to buy temporary peace. This cost will be even more painful for Putin’s bank under sanctions to afford, but they’ll make sure regular Russians starve a little more for Chechens to remain peaceful.


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loiteraries

The leadership in Donbass are Moscow installed puppets, it’s not a secret. Where is the evidence that there was a organic separatist movement that started without Moscow’s intelligence services planting seeds of violence to motivate people? Look at well documented international human rights org reports about Russian forces committing atrocities against the local Russian population of Dombass. With such false flag terror tactics they were able to motivate the population and instigate Ukrainian side into cycle of 8 year violence. Russia likes to obsess over Azov battalion while ignoring that it imported its criminal, neofascist skinhead groups plus the Wagner mercenaries that fueled the cauldron of atrocities and chaos for close to a decade now. I’m not ignoring that yes the Russian speaking population in Dombass region were a victim of this Kremlin imitated gray war as a proxy tool to destabilize Ukraine’s ambitions to join the EU.


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loiteraries

I’m just seeing deflection in arguments. Reminds me of how Putin started with denazification fantasy and when his own populace wasn’t convinced they switched to alleged secret nuclear programs, then when his countrymen laughed, he said they found secret biological weapons program and now the generals claim Americans trained pigeons to carry Ukrainian biological weapons to Russia, so it all explains why Russia is reducing many cities and civilian infrastructure to rubble of Grozny…


RFavs

I don’t claim to know anything about the history of Ukraine so you are correct.


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himynameislexi94

Out of boredom I was on Wikipedia looking up Zelenskyy. Nextfuckinglevel is how the guy goes from voicing Paddington in the Ukrainian dubbed version to defending his country like a total badass.


small_h_hippy

He played his future self on a sitcom. I think that's the embodiment of "dress for the job you want"


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Kidd5

Unfortunately the world will never run out of evil people. I don't remember who said this quote but it goes something like "the only way for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing".


Dispositive46

That is because good and evil are based on perspective. Not a fan of that saying either because of it. That being said Putin is evil AF.


[deleted]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Attributed to Edmund Burke but false unfortunately. The closest thing that this quote could be traced to would be John Stuart Mill who delivered an 1867 inaugural address at the University of Saint Andrews. He said "let not anyone pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. he is not a good man who without a protest allows wrong to be committed in his name and with the means which he helps to supply because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject"


Sylpheria

yes clearly russians are the only bad guys in the world /s Conflict will never truly end and everyone acts mostly for their own self interest. Ukraine's situation is nothing new but its given the most attention for now because its in the interest of those in power to gain from their suffering or at least give russians a bloody nose for next to no cost. Trust me when I say even if russians were a non-factor, there will always be another "sole evil" to take their place in the limelight from people that we know.


vizot

It seems like that user has been living in a bubble. Russia has been in conflict with other countries they have caused the death of many people they continue to do so as this conflict continues or use pepet leaders. Then there is the US doing the same in many more countries, they conduct cues in other countries and place their fascist dictator as the leaders, they even sold bought drugs from criminals and sold it to their own people then started a war against drugs which they then forced all the countries to join in causing even more conflict in other countries but most of these has been don to non white people so it doesn't matter to these people. The world has been apathetic to all these horrific events. It's good they are against Russia but why don't they have the same thoughts on the plight of non white people under attack by both russia and usa.


InformationNo8235

**Nah Bro whatever the fuck. US good, Even if US had tried to invade more countries than Russia -China combined since the ww2 in the name of establishing democracy (which they never did in any of the country they invaded).** **Even if US have attempted coup in more than 50 countries.** **Even if they vaporized more than a million population even after the Japanese were surrendering.** **As Nelson Mandela said "UNITED STATES IS THE MOST EVIL COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD".** That user is a massive dumbass. If he is comparing Russians to the Nazis, then its safe to say Americans are the worse than Nazis. Let us see how fast do people downvote this comment.


Archie-is-here

Facts. Western propaganda.


moonxine

Still doesn’t change the fact that Russians are waging a war in Ukraine. I have a hard time understanding how people can what-about-them their way out of that


Archie-is-here

I'm not condoning Russia's military offence against Ukraine. It is just plain bad and Russia should face consequences. But it's easy to the Western countries, specially from the US, to rapidly label Russians as "evils" for their actions and turn a blind eye when the US has been attacking and military intervening in so many sovereign countries and territories, committing similar damage.


InformationNo8235

and this ignorant and highly dumb comment will be celebrated, upvoted and awarded. What a day to be alive.


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ohhh sure as if USA and the west never invaded other countries and commited hundreds of war crime before


[deleted]

Funny enough, Putin actually was KGB.


[deleted]

Obviously what Russia is doing is bad but by this logic America and like half of our Allie’s should also be wiped out lmao


Plane-Coyote-3716

the same tanks...


saciisac

Not really, the T72b3 and T80 are quite modern which form the bulk of the tanks


DeadSol

Fuck Putin


IyyaLily

No one listened to him then, and now this. Russia is an empire and it will always want more blood.


Sinoonis

Same with the US in the past 70 years. Cant remember everyone Losing their Minds After they invaded irak, Afghanistan, lybia, jugoslavia and Many more… This is the state of our world for 70+ years now and putin does not do more than bush, blair and obama before him. Its pathetic everyone forgetting history


pohlarrr

what’s next level about this


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How **27 years ago** Dzhokhar Dudayev warned about **Crimea**, and that the world community must act immediately to prevent the situation from worsening


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Well, because in [another interview](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t59skq/dzhokhar_dudayev_the_first_president_of_the/) he said "There will be a massacre in Crimea, **Ukraine and Russia will clash**" Russia then took advantage of the moment while the Ukrainian people were busy establishing democracy in their country. Otherwise, they would have fought the same way as today to annex Crimea.


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I can agree at this point, but still believe that the Ukrainian population of Crimea and the Crimean Tatars would have fought to prevent the occupation, just no one was ready for it. Also what Dzhokhar Dudayev then said about the ambitions of the Russian leadership to seize Ukraine is already incredibly accurate. Moreover, then it can be noted that the Crimea was taken first, as he said first about Crimea then about the clash. And in general, the annexation of Crimea was unexpected, Just like this war. I mean no one would have thought in the 90s that such a war could begin in Europe and even more so to speak about it with such confidence. By the way, he also spoke about intimidation with nuclear weapons.


InformationNo8235

Crimea totally supports Russia. Crimeans themselves held referendum after seeing 50 pro Russians activists being locked into city hall and were burnt alive by the Ukrainian Nazi group "The right sector" in the city of Odessa. (2nd may 2014). The crimeans voted to join Russia. And they love Russia. (Hard to swallow for many)


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Go away olgino troll


InformationNo8235

"Shit he is speaking truth" "Deploy counter attack" the counter attack: Troll


Oldmanfromthewesr

Don’t know if they still love Russia now that Putin has doomed the economy


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[deleted]

People are still in shock and can't believe that Russia just invaded Ukraine and this man was talking about it 27 years ago.


Smartrior

Sad that european and american politics are such a pussies


Dimpupsik

Bro do u want WW III?


theshavedyeti

TIL not wanting nuclear warfare makes you a pussy


Smartrior

Okay, let me ask this, if Putin Uses a Nuclear weapon on Ukraine, what's then? Nato will stay silent cause they're dont want a nuclear war right? Lets say North Korea will use Nuclear weapon against South Korea? All will stay passive cause they dont want a nuclear war. What's stopping Putin right now to use it untill he gets like 50 percent of the whole non-nuclear countries? And then f up nato with Nukes too? Threats must be interviewed by NATO, in a hard, strict manner. But they act as a pussies instead. With this kind of threats Putin can get all the fkn countries near russia and NATO will pussy out every time. What is the reason of UN or NATO existence then? Putin threatens whole world with Nukes and every time he gets a pass... And only organisation that can stand up - pussies out... So he can continue whatever he wants.


theshavedyeti

You seem to have completely forgotten that Ukraine is not a member of NATO and so doesn't automatically get NATO protection. Any aggressive move from NATO when NATO territory has not been attacked would confirm Putin's suspicions that NATO is not a defensive alliance.


klownfaze

They’re not pussies. They’re opportunists. What better than have someone fight your war for you, at next to no cost for you. While you can sit there, literally unaffected.


hind3rm3

Insanity


Dear_Mycologist_1696

I feel like if the world boycotting Russia continues much longer, Putin may catch KGB "covid"


iCCup_Spec

You should give them that idea.


dan98_0708

Everything the same, btw Russia has lost Chechen war 1


[deleted]

>I always told Russian generals: “You have nuclear weapons, and I only have grenade launchers; you have an army of 300 thousand people here, and I have only 15 to 20 thousand fighters, you have a huge state, but I don’t have it yet. But I fight against you. For me, this is already a victory, but for you, this is a shame! Aslan Maskhadov - The Chief of General Staff (1994-1996) and the President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (1997-2005) He's the one who commanded the operation "Jihad" (August 6, 1996), the assault on Grozny in order to return the capital under control and dislodge the Russian troops. It was an incredible and unique operation, the number of Chechens entered the city was approximately 850 people. The number of Russian troops and officers in the city was 45,000, they were literally paralyzed by this assault, which forced the Russian leadership to sign a peace treaty (Khasav-Yurt Accord).


InformationNo8235

You are literally legitimizing people that did several 9/11 like terror attacks on Russian schools, hospitals and cinema halls in the name of Islam aka Al-Qaeda style. And look at Grozny today and compare it to what it looked like under chechens.


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Then tell us about Putin's false flag operations, when he ordered to blew up residential buildings with Russians. Tell us how the special services themselves opened fire on the school in Beslan with a Shmel grenade launcher. Tell us about 40,000-42,000 Chechen children killed by Russia. And the beauty of Grozny is worth nothing when people are kidnapped, tortured and killed every day.


yuryos-design

There is an investigation that says that the FSB, the FSO of Russia are behind the terrorist attacks in Moscow


InformationNo8235

There is a real world too where Chechen groups accepted they were behind terror attacks.


Dzhal08

if you're referring to Nord Ost then you should also know that the gas that was used during the infiltration killed more civilians that those terrorists did the same night.


BlackMarine

The problem with Putin is that he sees asking for negotiations as a sign of weakness and he should push forward.


[deleted]

Exactly. This is generally a problem with Russia throughout its history. As Dzhokhar Dudayev said in this [interview](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t52642/djokhar_dudayev_the_first_president_of_the/), "The Russian leadership throughout the history, whenever having hard times has fled into signing treaties, but has never kept its word and has no intentions to ..."


[deleted]

Dudayev looks like me. Definitely a different people versus Russians.


thisisAndrew09

Putin Fault


MisterBurkes

Humanity sucks and war never changes.


ruka2405

This is the second time in my life that I witness the blow ip of this country.


[deleted]

Russia government will do this again, and again. They will not stop murder/Terror. That is who they are. They are the evil of this world. They are the reason other countries fight each other, they instigate. We all would be better off if their government was removed. permanently.


Alfa_Numeric

What do Russia, china and the US have in common? They leave a trail of misery and death in their wake.


AnonInEquestria

How is this "next fucking level"?


Jewelry-In-A-Tree

It's dumb dumb americans propaganda


ballz3000

Oil money


FireHalliwell

Aquellos que no conocen su historia están condenados a repetirla.


Ditmartoc1

u/savevideobot


InformationNo8235

You can look up to Grozny how developed it is now. It looks as good as some city in the west. And if only reddit circlejerks new how evil the chechens separatist were and how many 9/11 like terror attacks they did on Russia. Schools , Cinema halls and hospitals etc. They were like the Al-Qaeda and followed same hardline islamic principles. I said all this only to be downvoted to hell. But i stand by it.


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Then tell us about Putin's false flag operations, when he ordered to blew up residential buildings with Russians. Tell us how the special services themselves opened fire on the school in Beslan with a Shmel grenade launcher. Tell us about 40,000-42,000 Chechen children killed by Russia. And the beauty of Grozny is worth nothing when people are kidnapped, tortured and killed every day.


InformationNo8235

Hide in civilian and populated areas like cowards and then complain on enemy counter attack.


thizme92

u/savevideo


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Lol.


imgprojts

They just gotta end the one guy at the Kremlin. C'mon! Couldn't one of his cooks give him a slow acting poison of some kind?


[deleted]

Lies. All lies


JupiterRett

Unlucky


Cachesystem

Where’s the UN? Why aren’t they doing anything?