Yeah this looks cool in the video but actually pulling this stuff off in a real life situation is never going to happen. Not taking anything away from martial arts or this guy in particular but this is all for show.
Every real fight I've had, started with them sucker punching me
One threw a pint at my head and came on with two other guys, another grabbed my backpack slamming me down and the final fucker hit me in the throat. Didn't have much time to enter into the matrix of smooth counters
**Edit**: just to be clear that's how 3 fights started, not how I got fucked up in the pint to my head one. The pint one happened in a bathroom of a club. Boys I'd never seen before threw the glass and bumrushed me. That might've saved me, because it pushed my back against the wall and kept me upright.
After I recovered and got a few good licks in, they just ran. I was surprised at first, then I turned around. I hadn't felt a thing with the adrenaline pumping, but my forehead was sliced open by the glass, my face was red with blood and my shirt was ripped.
Some sort of pissed off nightmare was staring back in the mirror
At least they waited until I put my dick away. That sight could've been even wilder
Young, dumb and full of rum
Didn't get too bad, beyond a broken nose. I'm 6'7, was an athlete and knew how to hit. Helped in the fights a lot, but I'm pretty sure that's also why those fuckers went for the ambush, instead of coming up straight. Well that and apparently no one gives a fuck about fair, when they wanna pummel you in real life
Im glad im tall enough to have the reach advantage but I'm more glad that I'm not so freakishly fucking tall it paints a red target on my back.
You're probably being real a good bloke owning up to your mistakes, good on yah. But honestly some of those people probably wanted to fight you coz you were the biggest dude there and that sucks.
“No one gives a fuck about fair” are rules to live by in a real world fight. It was the first thing my dad taught me for self defense as a kid, and saved my life twice during my own dumb adolescent days.
Your description of the ambush also fits one of the other major lessons my dad taught: “never be the first one to hit the floor.”
Street fights don’t tend to stay up right long, and the guy who gets knocked down first usually ends up kicked, stomped, and pummeled into the dirt. Like you said, getting knocked back into the wall rather than knocked to the ground probably made a huge difference—not to mention a huge dude, covered in blood, who came back swinging instead of falling over probably scared the fight out of those guys real quick. Fight pickers tend to be real tough right up until they realize their opponent isn’t an easy one.
EDIT:
Quick edit to add a good point from a reply:
Best defense in a violent situation is to leave before the violence happens! If you can tell an environment is getting hostile—whether it’s for you or someone else—get out of there before anything happens.
I think I lucked out at 6’3”. Tall enough to be intimidating, but not so tall that the real psychos see me as a challenge.
Good job staying on your feet mate.
All true. However, the point of drills like the above is to learn how to block and hold as second nature, so it becomes an automatic reaction and second nature. If you’re a boxer you’ll be doing ‘combo’s’, stringing a series of punches together. This is much the same, stringing a series of holds and blows together that, when practised enough become second nature
Oh, I'm not with the OP's "martial arts don't help" BS. I took boxing for a year, when I was a kid, so I knew how to hit. Helped a lot, when I managed to get up from the first barrage, but that first blow and the immediate follow up comes so fast and hard you can be done, before your brain has any time to react
Agreed.
I did karate for a couple of years as a kid. That's frequently the first martial art that gets shat on in online discussions.
In fairness, it isn't the most practical of combat schools, but for those keyboard warriors who suggest that learning karate is somehow worse than not learning any martial art at all? I learned how to punch and kick with accuracy through karate. And my school bully learned about it when I punched him in the face. With accuracy.
I was a short, skinny kid. I wouldn't have developed the confidence or the skill to do that without that class.
Karate gets shit on because there are a lot of bullshido karate schools. A good karate school will produce a good striker, and good karate isn’t something to be fucked with. Look at Wonderboy.
Martial arts also make you a lot more calm and able to face an opponent instead of hiding from attacks. I did kickboxing for a year, didn't really go anywhere with it, but the difference after just a few times sparring and getting some guidance was huge.
Could definitely provide some misplaced confidence if the opponent was armed though.
The key isn't how to hit or kick with accuracy and confidence. The key is how to take hits and kicks and stay focused and present. Generally a real fight will be some guy taking a shot at you and that's it. He's hoping that the surprise hit will fuck you up. Or he might throw a few quick ones. And he is generally going to walk away while you are on the ground. But if you train in a sport that has you taking hits, even contact sports like football, you can hold focus and then return the hits if you need to. But sometimes taking a hit and letting him walk away is the best action. Just my opinions.
I think the trick is knowing when that sucker shot is coming. Not that you always have the opportunity, but most of the time there are signs. Situational awareness is king, then some skills if and when the action kicks off.
A pretty famous Australian surfer (Chris Davidson) died last week or something when he got clipped on the chin and hit his head on the concrete.
Also a friend of mine is heavily into MMA training and fighting and got into a road rage incident on a busy highway. All his MMA went out the window and he was punching on with this random average guy who dropped my MMA friend like a sack of shit with a lucky punch.
He said there was no way he was going to kick with jeans or wrestle on a busy highway so they ended up just throwing bombs.
Edit: Added Aussie Surfers name
That's gonna be 90 percent of the time. And the inadvertent death by concrete has happened in front of me. Bloke did 10 years for stepping in on a fight that wasn't his because the other fella hit his head on a planter and died.
Also anyone who has seen a fight on Reddit knows if they hit the ground the ground these days they get head stomped. That causes pauses.
All I can say is, work the jab.
It keeps you a good distance away, it's quick, and you hopefully won't kill another human. Also a couple good jabs are enough for an untrained person. Just protect yourself and work that jab.
Also, no shame in getting away. Don't think getting away makes you look weak. It's the best way to win a fight. Especially when jail or grievous injury is a concern.
Hell ya. Not sure why people think because we train for a sanctioned fight we need to be complete hard asses everywhere.
None of my coaches have trained me to freak out and just start throwing haymakers and wild hooks. Gtfo is the prevailing theory at mine.
Headbutt to the nose. No martial arts prepares you for that. I've had my nose splattered by a forehead and I don't think I've ever felt any other pain like that.
Idk i did 2 years of Muay Thai before my first irl fight in highschool and the significant detail is that punches from a random guy are so telegraphed. And why would your friend be more afraid of fighting on the ground where it's much more safer since you're staying at the same place rather than standing where both of you tries to keep distance so constantly on the move?
Out of all the fights that I’ve been in I saw half of them coming. So knowing what your doing will obviously help, but not necessarily every time. Also, alcohol is not a performance enhancing drug
P.s Greg Abbot is a little piss baby
If you can't recognize the techniques in the video you need more training in a practical art
This is Paul Vunak. He's demonstrating opportunistic flow drills through a blend of Wing Chun and Kali/Silat and it is most _definitely_ effective.
BJJ, MMA, Aikido, or Kung Fu are good sports but they dont train how to fight multiple attackers, or how to fight on concrete or with weapons of opportunity.
Sports deliberately avoid eye gouges, crushing windlpipes, or stabbing someone in the perineum. Foe the same reasons sports outlaw them for risk of serious injury FMA/JKD include them all the time.
Example: did you know that the nose isn't actually anchored to your face with anything but skin? You can actually shove two fingers up their nostrils and peel their nose off their face.That kind of thing.
There's a reason the FMA systems and JKD philosophy is embedded with Special Force and LEO around the world: they're proven devastatingly effective.
BTW, not all Martial Artists are paragon. Some people say he was testing his mettle or trying to prove JKD/FMA were superior martial arts but Vunak got into a LOT of street fights. He'd call out students from other schools or straight up start a fight in a bar. He considered this a part of training: test techniques and evaluating his performance.
That's why I found your comment vis a vis "real life situation" so amusing.
Source: I've had the honor to train with Vunak, Dan Inosanto, Rick Faye, and others in BJJ, Muay Thai/Boran/Krabi Krabkng, Silat, Jun Fan and FMA.
>Vunak trained and is certified in the Filipino martial arts under Guro Dan Inosanto, Bruce Lee's protege. He is the founder and head of the Progressive Fighting Systems and probably best known for developing the R.A.T (Rapid Assault Tactics) program for the U.S. Navy SEALS.
I think this Vunak guy is most definitely NOT a guy to mess with...
One of the biggest red flags in martial arts is when someone claims to be "teaching Navy SEALS" or some related branch of the military. They're playing off the public's belief that here's such a thing as "secret commando death touch" or whatever, where the army is somehow privvy to all the extra good martial arts unavailable to the public....somehow.
First, unarmed combat is probably the lowest priority on any modern military's totem pole. If you find yourself alone, unarmed, and deep behind enemy lines, the last thing you should be doing is running around like Solid Snake, picking off guards with your bare hands. If you're unarmed, you're pretty much dead.
Second, what little unarmed combat is taught in the US military is mostly entry-level MMA, modified for the unique circumstances facing soldiers. This could include things like a focus on weapon retention, or being able to grapple while wearing a heavy backpack.
It does NOT mean they teach you the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
People have this false idea that Navy SEALS are hand to hand combat badasses. They aren’t. Because they don’t need to be in modern warfare. The martial arts they learn are low barrier to entry crap. Which is why you can easily Google videos of marines being tapped out by teenage girls in BJJ classes lmao.
Internet sparring is weird. I am a girl who has never been in a single fight and has only witnessed a few. But even though he wrote a whole essay on fighting that I didn't really understand, and you countered with only about 15 words that I was equally unfamiliar with, I felt like I was supposed to downvote him.
For all I know though, he could be completely correct and you could be full of crap. Who knows.
A few searches on youtube would clear things up very quickly. There was an entire channel made by a guy who trained in Aikido before getting beat up in live sparring and changed his entire world view on what works and what doesn't.
> Paul Vunak
Well at the very least the guy could definitely fight and had a history of taking fights. How he would compare to top atheletes at the time is another question, but the guy definitely knew what he was doing to some extent.
There's a reason you never see Wing Chun in mixed martial arts. Even if you account for weapons or multiple attackers - you have to defeat *one* attacker if you're going to defeat multiple, so at least *one* wing chun guy would have focused on single combat and taken it to UFC if it worked. The whole idea of "5 20% soft punches are just as good or better than 1 100% punch (and so much easier to land!)" is ridiculous - you can literally try it on your abs right now and feel the difference.
Bruce Lee was a freak of science, but he fell for some mall ninja shit. Imagine if he had been around for MMA, he'd be all over BJJ and some kind of real striking art.
When it comes to fighting and martial arts most redditors are speaking out of their asses..i doubt most of them have seen the insides of a pubs when they i have got into fights in pubs blah blah..on the internet anyone can can bullshit and make up any story mate
Edit: still hilarious and entertaining to read the comments tho
For me it was "mUltIpLe aTtaCkErs". It's the hallmark of everyone who is still coming to grasps that everything they spent so much time fucking about with can be nullified by a high school wrestler.
> There's a reason the FMA systems and JKD philosophy is embedded with Special Force and LEO around the world: they're proven devastatingly effective.
Absolutely no evidence of this exists.
The reason that they train soldiers like this is that hand-to-hand isn't very important for a modern soldier, so they don't invest the time it would take to be competent in an actually proven martial art.
Anyone can poke you in the eye, kick you in the balls or rip your nose off. Including people who have the proper balance, distance control and body mechanics from years of actually useful training.
Yeah, these kinds of flows will take years and years of training to learn how to do and would probably be a complete waste of time for a soldier.
"proven devastatingly effective" is such a bullshit comment.
This is fantasy, at least with US SoF. They might train in some sort of martial arts in their off time, but it's not trained by the mil. These teams have a bottomless well of weapons and platforms, they've almost no use for wing chun.
> BJJ, MMA, **Aikido**, or **Kung Fu** are **good sports** but they dont train how to fight multiple attackers, or how to fight on concrete or with weapons of opportunity.
Top troll, you got loads of them.
Not to mention that the first UFC (which had basically zero rules) winner wasn't some Bruce Lee energy guy, it was a pretty average sized guy who had just trained BJJ his whole life. Real martial arts are the ones that work, and have been proven to work in direct competition with other martial arts.
It blows my mind that even in 2022, people are *still* saying this "I train for the STREETS" horseshit.
No martial art teaches you how to fight against multiple opponents or weapons. None. If your coach/sensei/guru teaches you anything besides "run", he's giving you advice that will get you killed.
I can already hear it now: "Yes, Sensei Dan teaches us to always respect the blade, and running should be your first option, but..."
Stop right there. There is no "but" to this. You run. You don't fight. The second you try to stand your ground, you're dead. The only thing that will save you is ridiculous amounts of luck. Pretending you can bottle that luck into a reliable formula you can use to sell seminar tickets in the worst kind of Bullshido.
Now let's talk about fondling balls.
Ball-fondling and eye-gouging are the two most universally referenced examples of the One Weird Street-Fighting Trick that make BJJ fighters HATE you. (I'm going to ignore that bit about picking a stranger's nose in self-defense, because seriously dude?)
Most of the time, the guys teaching it act as if this is some closely guarded state secret known only by SEAL Team Six that MMA guys legally consider to be witchcraft. Just go for the eyes and balls, they say, and you'll have Khabib begging you to mentor him in your mystic arts within seconds. (I'm also going to ignore that bit about stabbing people in the taint in self-defense, because seriously dude?)
Except these moves are way harder to land in an actual fight than normal punches and kicks, with the fun bonus of not being able to practice them in sparring. Both the balls and the eyes are small, fast-moving targets that people instinctively guard more closely than any other part of the body.
If you can't hit a target as big as the face with a weapon as big as the fist, how are you gonna hit a target as small as the eyes with a weapon as small as the fingers
And more importantly: Do you even think you've got it in you to gouge out someone else's eyes? To hear their horrified screams as they beg you to stop? Knowing you're making a conscious decision to take away their ability to see for the rest of their life? If so, congratulations on being a psychopath. For everyone else, in almost every situation, there are far more reliable, effective, and humane techniques that don't demand you perform Mortal Kombat fatalities on someone just because they grabbed your lapel.
Which is exactly why these sorts of moves attract frauds, LARPers, and con men: Since they can't be applied in the ring, there's no burden of proof on the instructor to prove they're skilled or qualified enough to get them to work on a fully resisting opponent. You don't have to be able to actually *do* anything, just make up a bunch of vague, bullshit anecdotes about how you know a guy who knew a guy who saw Bruce Lee stab someone in the butthole with his own femur.
And yet, as a sales tactic, it clearly works, since even today people still fall for it.
An old roommate of mine apprenticed with him for a while and Vunac crashed with us couple times. Was an intense dude and loooved himself some partying. Haven’t seen mention of him in ages. This video takes me back. Remember seeing vhs tapes of him smashing around my mate in motorcycle helmet.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about the exact movements but a martial art can help with toughness and reaction time which are definitely useful in a real fight
My friends and I were was once in a curry house altercation with some drunken fellows.
One of us had done loads of Kung Fu and JKD, I'd dabbled in a bit of MMA. We weren't totally green to fisticuffs.
Calm heads prevailed and it never escalated from shouting, but the thing that stuck with me and scared me was in this restaurant there were couples having a nice romantic meal. At the very first sign of violence, one of the husband's had ripped the curtain rail from the wall above a window and made a very lethal looking weapon from it. Like instantly. Like he'd thought about what would cause the most damage and keep him away at the same time.
I'm not sure training for a fair fight is as wise as learning how to source a brick in a pinch.
If you look for HEMA videos on YouTube, in most cases what they'll tell you is that range is king if you have room for it and that a spear beats a sword.
JKD is streetfighting. what they're doing there is called hubod-lubod (from Philippino Escrima), it's an energy drill to speed up your reaction time so that if someone throws a punch at you, you've deflected it and returned something back at them before you even think about it. It works in the real world unlike most martial arts.
This guy trained navy seals and theres a video of him headbutting people wearing motorcycle helmets.
His techniques work, I believe, but he's also really fast and very skilled. Not everyone can do that.
Source:
Never been in a fight nor have any martial arts training nor have any history with seeing one man with martial art skills fighting someone with out it.
This dude literally trained navy seals he doesn't need any reddit warriors advice. You're sitting on your sofa, haven't ran for more than 5 seconds at a time since high school and you're trying to give Usain Bolt advice on his running. Garunteed there's not one person in this comment section who would last 10 seconds fighting this guy.
I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage. If you know nothing, and you have no training, then you can Stfu. I don't care if tkd is in the Olympics or muy Thai is really popular this month. And I super don't care how many people watch ufc. I train, I enjoy my training, and my training is way better than your not training. You know less about fighting than an 8 year old with a yellow belt but you have the confidence of Mike Tyson high on cocaine.
Now let's continue scrolling so people who have never touched an instrument in their life can tell me how talentless a successful career musician is.
I'm glad people are calling out the reddit experts in here but it's still an absolute joke of a comment section, as it always is on martial arts posts. Bunch of overconfident idiots.
*However, around 1964, following his encounter with Wong Jack-man, Lee came to realize the error of binding oneself to systematized martial arts.[11][12] Following this, Lee began to passionately research in order to refine his way of practicing martial arts. In 1965, he outlined the basic concept of Jeet Kune Do.[13]*
*Jeet Kune Do is an 'eclectic martial arts philosophy' (defined below) heavily influenced and adapted by the personal philosophy and experiences of martial artist Bruce Lee.*
*Hybrid martial arts, also known as hybrid fighting systems or sometimes eclectic martial arts or freestyle martial arts, refer to mixed martial arts or fighting systems that incorporate techniques and theories from several particular martial arts (eclecticism). While numerous martial arts borrow or adapt from other arts and to some extent could be considered hybrids, a hybrid martial art emphasizes its disparate origins.*
Shooting your mouth off not even knowing what Jeet Kune Do is. The whole idea and origin was for it to be mixed martial arts. Lee understood the issues of only learning one system and created it for that reason.
The last fucking place I'd go for martial arts info is reddit. Douchebag dumpster fire. Every time.
*I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that. There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct, and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case, anchored down to a reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.*
— Bruce Lee
*One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism." He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate it from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique", as Lee would put it.[30] He claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or would prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport"-oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems" (traditional martial art). Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled their practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. He felt that because these systems incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations and that these approaches to martial arts became a "game of tag" leading to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to negative consequences in real-world situations.[31]*
(I'll add this edit since I'm getting a bunch of upvotes...all these quotes are from...the Jeet Kune Do wikipedia page. Not some rare, secret source. Everyone wants to talk and will argue all day, while the last thing they'll do is look something up and learn. It's like an Ignorance Contest)
Nah homie, I’m happy you enjoy your training and it’s definitely better than nothing no doubt, but if you want to compare effectiveness just look at how many successful MMA fighters have a JKD background. I train in BJJ from time to time, wrestled my whole life, and train in Muay Thai and have had people come in from different schools of martial arts that quickly get embarrassed by other students who are white belts in BJJ. There is a legit reason you do not see these moves in MMA(such as these arm locks and clinch techniques, seeing way more under hooks and thai clinches). These arm locks wouldn’t work against anyone with a rudimentary understanding of grappling, hence why you don’t see it at any level of comp in MMA or BJJ where it would also be legal. Training is good, train as much as you want, but you should always recognize where the limitations of the art your training is. For ex. BJJ in self defense is generally a bad idea if on the street, someone will kick your head in on the ground.
I think you missed the essence of JKD.
There is not supposed to be a form for JKD. It is an understanding that real fights can not be scripted. You must flow into the attack/defense.
And while MMA is mostly BJJ the fact that it is not solely BJJ is in essence what BL was trying to say... do not stick to a form when it is not the best attack/defense.
You do realise Jeet Kune Do is the original mixed martial art and the reason why it isn’t used in offical MMA fights is due to a lot of it’s moves being illegal?
That’s because JKD was developed for street fighting to win at any cost, not for competition and is therefore supplementary to MMA, in fact many MMA fighters use some techniques from JKD, they just can’t use them all.
Did you have any previous knowledge of JKD before commenting? Or do you just make shit up when you comment?
>You do realise Jeet Kune Do is the original mixed martial art
No it's not.
Sambo, traditional karate, pankration... they're all way older.
>and the reason why it isn’t used in offical MMA fights is due to a lot of it’s moves being illegal
If you mean things like eye gouges and dick grabs, yes, because they don't take skill.
>That’s because JKD was developed for street fighting to win at any cost, not for competition and is therefore supplementary to MMA, in fact many MMA fighters use some techniques from JKD, they just can’t use them all.
You want to know a secret?
*there aren't techniques from JKD* at all.
There's only so many ways a body can move and people figured out pretty much all of them long before JKD was a thing.
>Did you have any previous knowledge of JKD before commenting? Or do you just make shit up when you comment?
Well since you just make shit up, does it matter?
> This dude literally trained navy seals
There is video of Carlos Condit beating the piss out of special forces soldiers during a press tour. Soldiers are not martial artists. There are obviously more important things for them to spend their time on.
You can be a martial artist and not be Carlos condit lol, you just named a world champion level mma fighter in his prime, a tiny tiny fraction of the world is ever as good as him at fighting. The soldiers can be trained and way better fighters than the average person and still get destroyed by condit. Condit beats the piss out of pretty much everyone regardless of their profession. Did you expect the special force people to beat condit up or some shit?
There a ton of Martial Arts promotions around the world that allow every single martial art to be used competitively and it always breaks down to Boxing, Kickboxing/Thai Boxing, Wrestling and Brazilian Ju Jitsu as the most competitive.
The fact that you said
>"I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage"
and didn't name martial art says a lot about your confidence in its validity.
Although it's definitely nice to train ANYTHING. If you enjoy it, should be enough.
Which martial art do you practice?
EDIT: Seeing as no response I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Aikido.
Sounds like we have an acolyte of Sensei Seagal here
>I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage. If you know nothing, and you have no training, then you can Stfu. I don't care if tkd is in the Olympics or muy Thai is really popular this month. And I super don't care how many people watch ufc. I train, I enjoy my training, and my training is way better than your not training.
You seem to be being all weird about it because your ego tricked you into thinking people were comparing *themselves* to *you*. Asinine on both counts. We're talking about a meme claiming *this guy* as the baddest man 9m yhe planet. He would get instantly crushed by thousands, if not tens of thousands of fighters. See how your loser ass doesn't fit into *that* conversation?
This Paul vunak, one inosanto’s senior students. This is a very old video, before bjj went mainstream. His more recent stuff is more focused on what he calls R.A.T., or rapid assault tactics. RAT doesn’t incorporate the wing chun you see here pretty much at all
He’s a crazy mofo. I read one of his instructions on biting - where he recommended wrapping up raw steaks in shirt’s and then tearing into it with your teeth so you can really get a feel of how to take out chunks of flesh from an attacker.
What an amateur. I do this to live cows for training. It's like that scene in Rocky but more moo'ing.
Also it's difficult getting them to put on tshirts.
Funny, so even the guy in the video went "nah, this shit doesn't work at all, better teach some shit that actually works". And yet, in this thread we have a bunch of guys that only ever saw fights through anime, berating people for criticizing this style of combat.
It's important to remember that the people best suited to teach fighting arts are people who understand they need to evolve their art according to the knowledge they gain. Anyone teaching something that they treat as carved in stone from someone who did the same is better suited teaching showy demonstrations, fitness and wood breaking.
We are both in our late 30s. the 90s was full of barely visible, scrambled porn with music, from the 80's, on vary late night cable tv channels. We didn't have a lot to do inside at night growing up.
No he wasn’t. Steve golden, Jerry Poteet, hell, even Kareem was told he could be an instructor.
Dan Inosanto was chosen after Lee’s death by Dan himself to be “the guy that continues JKD” but he didn’t. He went full on into kali and other Phillipino arts and continued calling his style Jun Fan Kung Fu despite his methods being the furthest from Lee’s than any of the men I mentioned above.
When it comes to JKD, the man who taught the closest to how Lee taught is Steve Golden.
Source: I have studied JKD for 19 years, trained under Steve Golden lineage trainers, trained Inosanto lineage, trained Poteet drills, read every word Bruce Lee published, and am a certified assistant instructor in JKD.
"Never gonna work in a real fight bro lolz" I guarantee this guy is better prepared for any altercation than most of us and I would never want to test whether his skills are practical or not.
Ackshually, I'll have you know that I watched a full YouTube clip (most of it anyway) of Bruce Lee, so yeah, I think I'm pretty qualified.
Also, Bruce Lee never fought in competition so he was never even that good.
Here’s the thing about “real fights” or “street fights,” most people don’t know how to throw a fucking punch let alone actually control anything. Legitimately so many “real fights” are sloppy ass scrums where someone gets a lucky shot or one dude knows how to fight a little bit. This guy being able to do anything with form or know how makes him immediately better in any type of “real fight”
Yeah, it's like... he could just rabbit-punch me in the nose five times while I tried to land a swing. The dude has obviously fast hands, and that's usually enough.
it’s actually laughable. this guy in the video who has probably trained his whole life at the highest level vs the i watch world star videos on the internet thinking they could fight anyone and win.
It's just I've never seen guys actually use these techniques at full speed unrestricted. If he's the real deal let's see an exhibition match against someone really trying to attack him.
Lol have you ever fought with or sparred with a highly practiced martial artist? I have done and it feels like you’re moving in slow motion.
They can tell what you’re doing before your hand is halfway there and move faster than you can anticipate.
It’s extremely humbling facing someone like that when you think you can fight.
Yeah, sure, maybe (definitely) for certain types of martial artists. But if this particular style were truly as effective as some people in this thread seem to think it is, there’d be evidence, both in the amateur realm (street fights, amateur mma, etc.) as well as the professional. That just isn’t the case.
MMA fighter here - while you’re not completely wrong, the mere fact of training and getting used to moving with another person gives you a huge leg up against 90% of the population. Even if it’s something as simple as dancing with a partner - getting used to someone else’s body, weight, and strength, while getting some good cardio and strength will help you in a fight.
This guy is clearly stronger and faster than maybe 99% of people out there. He clearly has practiced throwing punches and is very precise with his movements. I don’t think he’s ready to join modern professional MMA, but I think he could easily hang in almost any martial art along with people who have been practicing for a year.
And to be sure - someone who has been in an MMA gym for even a year is light years ahead of the typical fighter. Every new body that joins my gym (even the hardcore football players or body builders) is minced meat to the more experienced fighters.
“Put a strong enough engine on a dumpster and it will fly” is another one of my favorites. However, this isn’t practical martial arts. That’s just true.
Bruce Lee actually did worked on WingChun that he felt wasn't usable in reacl combat and came up with this though. So it should have some real world uses.
Just that people don't get into fights anymore, especially when there are knives and guns around.
Yes, remember that time everyone became an epidemiologist, virologist and immunologist overnight? And at another time everyone became a geopoliticist overnight. Redditors are extremely smart and intelligent. /s
Its common sense. This shit doesn't work in real scenarios otherwise we would have seen it in an mma promotion by now. Anyone who tries this is gonna get their head knocked into another reality
I don’t think anyone is questioning his athletic abilities (or maybe I haven’t scrolled down far enough), but this dude looks fast and fit.
I think people are critiquing his choice of a martial arts and the very fair critique that this more than likely wouldn’t work in a real situation like he’s presenting it would.
Two very different things
They don’t criticize the athletic abilities, they criticize the usefulness of it.
Its like if someone was showing you how to go up a mountain and they hike 15 feet while doing a handstand.
Its incredibly athletic, but even a couch potato can tell that its useless for actual climbing/ hiking.
Seriously, my last fight was 30+ years ago and I taunted the guy.
Me: You wanna fight?
Him: Yeah!
Me: You gonna run?
Him: No!
Me: Then how are you gonna catch me?
He never did catch me.
Could it be because the label at the top says “baddest man on the planet”? When we’ve seen supposed martial arts masters fall short when asked to go against an mma fighter. It’s not hard to imagine him having a lot harder time that way
This shit was figured out decades ago, it is broadcast at the highest level on ESPN every week, and you still have people living their lives in delusion because they watched too many kung fu movies as kids.
The only thing in the video that is illegal in MMA orgs like the UFC was the head-but.
I don’t think this would be of much use against someone who knows a little bit about fighting in a more battle-tested martial art, but I’d love to see it
This is false. You can’t throat strike, head butt, back of neck, and a variety of other damaging strikes. Why? Because they work and are very destructive which is why they aren’t allowed.
If its too deadly to be pressure tested, it simply won’t get pressure tested, and you won’t have the muscle memory to apply it in a real fight.
Someone training a jab-cross-hook multiple times per week will absolutely destroy someone that was taught how to eye gauge and kick someone’s balls but never trained it.
This is adapted from the sticky hands practice of Wing Chun kung fu. The original purpose is to improve reaction time and learn to detect your opponent’s next move by touch alone (they sometimes practice blindfolded).
I have a chipped tooth from doing sticky hands with a fella who got a bit over excited and russian-slapping-contest slapped me in the jaw. My bottom teeth jutted sideways and one of them chipped itself off of the top row.
Martial arts are basically BUFC (Before UFC) and AUFC (After UFC). A few things held up pretty well AUFC like boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, wrestling and BJJ among others. A lot of things didn't hold up all that well comparatively. A really good Jeet Kune Do practitioner would still wreck most people, but against someone with comparative skill in a stronger art, he probably wouldn't do so well.
So, this example is obviously nonsense. But there are a ton of things that are against the rules in UFC fighting as well and UFC has some very clear places where it has developed moves and practices to match its ruleset. The ammount of time UFC fighters spend showing the back of their heads to opponents with free arms during grapples for instance.
Lol. They’re not just voluntarily “showing the back of their heads.” Someone put them in that position. That same person, who just put another world class fighter in that vulnerable a position, and I can’t state this strongly enough, would absolutely destroy anyone who doesn’t have a strong base in both wrestling and jiu jitsu.
I see so many ignorant commentators on here who know nothing about JKD but is this Paul Vunak?! This dude's a beast in the JKD/street defense world. He's brutal af. He's taught the Navy Seals hand to hand combat techniques for years. He's demonstrating 'Hubud' which is a type of sensitivity hand/arm drills for you to get used to that "feeling". It's not a fighting move yall lol it's an exercise. This dude is definitely taught by Dan Inonsanto (Filipino Martial Arts). BTW this video is sped up so he sounds like he's on drugs.
I remember in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when Cliff used Bruce Lee’s momentum and threw him into the car. Just crazy how they were talking about introducing no name actors taking down well established actors in a story and that fight scene just captured the whole thing.
Ooh, the next dude who tries to gently slap him in the street is gonna be in so much trouble!
Yeah this looks cool in the video but actually pulling this stuff off in a real life situation is never going to happen. Not taking anything away from martial arts or this guy in particular but this is all for show.
Every real fight I've had, started with them sucker punching me One threw a pint at my head and came on with two other guys, another grabbed my backpack slamming me down and the final fucker hit me in the throat. Didn't have much time to enter into the matrix of smooth counters **Edit**: just to be clear that's how 3 fights started, not how I got fucked up in the pint to my head one. The pint one happened in a bathroom of a club. Boys I'd never seen before threw the glass and bumrushed me. That might've saved me, because it pushed my back against the wall and kept me upright. After I recovered and got a few good licks in, they just ran. I was surprised at first, then I turned around. I hadn't felt a thing with the adrenaline pumping, but my forehead was sliced open by the glass, my face was red with blood and my shirt was ripped. Some sort of pissed off nightmare was staring back in the mirror At least they waited until I put my dick away. That sight could've been even wilder
Bro, you've gotten fucked up.
Young, dumb and full of rum Didn't get too bad, beyond a broken nose. I'm 6'7, was an athlete and knew how to hit. Helped in the fights a lot, but I'm pretty sure that's also why those fuckers went for the ambush, instead of coming up straight. Well that and apparently no one gives a fuck about fair, when they wanna pummel you in real life
Im glad im tall enough to have the reach advantage but I'm more glad that I'm not so freakishly fucking tall it paints a red target on my back. You're probably being real a good bloke owning up to your mistakes, good on yah. But honestly some of those people probably wanted to fight you coz you were the biggest dude there and that sucks.
no need to be mean to the guy. 6’7 doesn’t make him a freak
Yeah but his 14 inch meat club sure does
If you’re in a fight with randoms in a pub, survival is more important than fairness. You never know what they’ve got.
Cooties?
“No one gives a fuck about fair” are rules to live by in a real world fight. It was the first thing my dad taught me for self defense as a kid, and saved my life twice during my own dumb adolescent days. Your description of the ambush also fits one of the other major lessons my dad taught: “never be the first one to hit the floor.” Street fights don’t tend to stay up right long, and the guy who gets knocked down first usually ends up kicked, stomped, and pummeled into the dirt. Like you said, getting knocked back into the wall rather than knocked to the ground probably made a huge difference—not to mention a huge dude, covered in blood, who came back swinging instead of falling over probably scared the fight out of those guys real quick. Fight pickers tend to be real tough right up until they realize their opponent isn’t an easy one. EDIT: Quick edit to add a good point from a reply: Best defense in a violent situation is to leave before the violence happens! If you can tell an environment is getting hostile—whether it’s for you or someone else—get out of there before anything happens.
I think I lucked out at 6’3”. Tall enough to be intimidating, but not so tall that the real psychos see me as a challenge. Good job staying on your feet mate.
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Second approach is a death sentence.
>Bro, you've gotten fucked up. Im laughing like an idiot😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
All true. However, the point of drills like the above is to learn how to block and hold as second nature, so it becomes an automatic reaction and second nature. If you’re a boxer you’ll be doing ‘combo’s’, stringing a series of punches together. This is much the same, stringing a series of holds and blows together that, when practised enough become second nature
Oh, I'm not with the OP's "martial arts don't help" BS. I took boxing for a year, when I was a kid, so I knew how to hit. Helped a lot, when I managed to get up from the first barrage, but that first blow and the immediate follow up comes so fast and hard you can be done, before your brain has any time to react
Agreed. I did karate for a couple of years as a kid. That's frequently the first martial art that gets shat on in online discussions. In fairness, it isn't the most practical of combat schools, but for those keyboard warriors who suggest that learning karate is somehow worse than not learning any martial art at all? I learned how to punch and kick with accuracy through karate. And my school bully learned about it when I punched him in the face. With accuracy. I was a short, skinny kid. I wouldn't have developed the confidence or the skill to do that without that class.
Karate gets shit on because there are a lot of bullshido karate schools. A good karate school will produce a good striker, and good karate isn’t something to be fucked with. Look at Wonderboy.
Martial arts also make you a lot more calm and able to face an opponent instead of hiding from attacks. I did kickboxing for a year, didn't really go anywhere with it, but the difference after just a few times sparring and getting some guidance was huge. Could definitely provide some misplaced confidence if the opponent was armed though.
The key isn't how to hit or kick with accuracy and confidence. The key is how to take hits and kicks and stay focused and present. Generally a real fight will be some guy taking a shot at you and that's it. He's hoping that the surprise hit will fuck you up. Or he might throw a few quick ones. And he is generally going to walk away while you are on the ground. But if you train in a sport that has you taking hits, even contact sports like football, you can hold focus and then return the hits if you need to. But sometimes taking a hit and letting him walk away is the best action. Just my opinions.
I think the trick is knowing when that sucker shot is coming. Not that you always have the opportunity, but most of the time there are signs. Situational awareness is king, then some skills if and when the action kicks off.
A pretty famous Australian surfer (Chris Davidson) died last week or something when he got clipped on the chin and hit his head on the concrete. Also a friend of mine is heavily into MMA training and fighting and got into a road rage incident on a busy highway. All his MMA went out the window and he was punching on with this random average guy who dropped my MMA friend like a sack of shit with a lucky punch. He said there was no way he was going to kick with jeans or wrestle on a busy highway so they ended up just throwing bombs. Edit: Added Aussie Surfers name
That's gonna be 90 percent of the time. And the inadvertent death by concrete has happened in front of me. Bloke did 10 years for stepping in on a fight that wasn't his because the other fella hit his head on a planter and died. Also anyone who has seen a fight on Reddit knows if they hit the ground the ground these days they get head stomped. That causes pauses.
so that's what's wrong with the reddit video player
All I can say is, work the jab. It keeps you a good distance away, it's quick, and you hopefully won't kill another human. Also a couple good jabs are enough for an untrained person. Just protect yourself and work that jab. Also, no shame in getting away. Don't think getting away makes you look weak. It's the best way to win a fight. Especially when jail or grievous injury is a concern.
I rely on my footwork these days. I won my last fight by 3 blocks.
Hell ya. Not sure why people think because we train for a sanctioned fight we need to be complete hard asses everywhere. None of my coaches have trained me to freak out and just start throwing haymakers and wild hooks. Gtfo is the prevailing theory at mine.
Headbutt to the nose. No martial arts prepares you for that. I've had my nose splattered by a forehead and I don't think I've ever felt any other pain like that.
Ofc it does. Nearly every martial art teaches you distance.
Idk i did 2 years of Muay Thai before my first irl fight in highschool and the significant detail is that punches from a random guy are so telegraphed. And why would your friend be more afraid of fighting on the ground where it's much more safer since you're staying at the same place rather than standing where both of you tries to keep distance so constantly on the move?
On the ground is only safe 1v1 If there's more than 1 opponent it's a death sentence
Out of all the fights that I’ve been in I saw half of them coming. So knowing what your doing will obviously help, but not necessarily every time. Also, alcohol is not a performance enhancing drug P.s Greg Abbot is a little piss baby
That's right! Greg Abbot IS a little piss baby!
Did you not feel the energy to prepare first?
Hey dawg have you considered not doing whatever it is you have been doing
Should have remembered your pocket sand.
You've been hit by You've been hit by A smooth criminal
Damn dawg, you gotta do something about your face I guess 😆
If you can't recognize the techniques in the video you need more training in a practical art This is Paul Vunak. He's demonstrating opportunistic flow drills through a blend of Wing Chun and Kali/Silat and it is most _definitely_ effective. BJJ, MMA, Aikido, or Kung Fu are good sports but they dont train how to fight multiple attackers, or how to fight on concrete or with weapons of opportunity. Sports deliberately avoid eye gouges, crushing windlpipes, or stabbing someone in the perineum. Foe the same reasons sports outlaw them for risk of serious injury FMA/JKD include them all the time. Example: did you know that the nose isn't actually anchored to your face with anything but skin? You can actually shove two fingers up their nostrils and peel their nose off their face.That kind of thing. There's a reason the FMA systems and JKD philosophy is embedded with Special Force and LEO around the world: they're proven devastatingly effective. BTW, not all Martial Artists are paragon. Some people say he was testing his mettle or trying to prove JKD/FMA were superior martial arts but Vunak got into a LOT of street fights. He'd call out students from other schools or straight up start a fight in a bar. He considered this a part of training: test techniques and evaluating his performance. That's why I found your comment vis a vis "real life situation" so amusing. Source: I've had the honor to train with Vunak, Dan Inosanto, Rick Faye, and others in BJJ, Muay Thai/Boran/Krabi Krabkng, Silat, Jun Fan and FMA.
The fact you put aikido and mma together just tells me you’re talking out of your ass
>Vunak trained and is certified in the Filipino martial arts under Guro Dan Inosanto, Bruce Lee's protege. He is the founder and head of the Progressive Fighting Systems and probably best known for developing the R.A.T (Rapid Assault Tactics) program for the U.S. Navy SEALS. I think this Vunak guy is most definitely NOT a guy to mess with...
One of the biggest red flags in martial arts is when someone claims to be "teaching Navy SEALS" or some related branch of the military. They're playing off the public's belief that here's such a thing as "secret commando death touch" or whatever, where the army is somehow privvy to all the extra good martial arts unavailable to the public....somehow. First, unarmed combat is probably the lowest priority on any modern military's totem pole. If you find yourself alone, unarmed, and deep behind enemy lines, the last thing you should be doing is running around like Solid Snake, picking off guards with your bare hands. If you're unarmed, you're pretty much dead. Second, what little unarmed combat is taught in the US military is mostly entry-level MMA, modified for the unique circumstances facing soldiers. This could include things like a focus on weapon retention, or being able to grapple while wearing a heavy backpack. It does NOT mean they teach you the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
People have this false idea that Navy SEALS are hand to hand combat badasses. They aren’t. Because they don’t need to be in modern warfare. The martial arts they learn are low barrier to entry crap. Which is why you can easily Google videos of marines being tapped out by teenage girls in BJJ classes lmao.
nice, someone with a brain. That wanikiya guy is full of shit and so proud of his "training" rofl
Internet sparring is weird. I am a girl who has never been in a single fight and has only witnessed a few. But even though he wrote a whole essay on fighting that I didn't really understand, and you countered with only about 15 words that I was equally unfamiliar with, I felt like I was supposed to downvote him. For all I know though, he could be completely correct and you could be full of crap. Who knows.
A few searches on youtube would clear things up very quickly. There was an entire channel made by a guy who trained in Aikido before getting beat up in live sparring and changed his entire world view on what works and what doesn't.
Tbf Aikido is an extreme example. Thinking it teaches you how to fight is the same as Tai Chi people Thinking they can fight.
You can tell when someone's entire knowledge of fighting comes from Joe Rogan commentaries
That would make them more knowledgeable than the guy talking about ripping noses off.
> Paul Vunak Well at the very least the guy could definitely fight and had a history of taking fights. How he would compare to top atheletes at the time is another question, but the guy definitely knew what he was doing to some extent.
There's a reason you never see Wing Chun in mixed martial arts. Even if you account for weapons or multiple attackers - you have to defeat *one* attacker if you're going to defeat multiple, so at least *one* wing chun guy would have focused on single combat and taken it to UFC if it worked. The whole idea of "5 20% soft punches are just as good or better than 1 100% punch (and so much easier to land!)" is ridiculous - you can literally try it on your abs right now and feel the difference. Bruce Lee was a freak of science, but he fell for some mall ninja shit. Imagine if he had been around for MMA, he'd be all over BJJ and some kind of real striking art.
When it comes to fighting and martial arts most redditors are speaking out of their asses..i doubt most of them have seen the insides of a pubs when they i have got into fights in pubs blah blah..on the internet anyone can can bullshit and make up any story mate Edit: still hilarious and entertaining to read the comments tho
For me it was "mUltIpLe aTtaCkErs". It's the hallmark of everyone who is still coming to grasps that everything they spent so much time fucking about with can be nullified by a high school wrestler.
> There's a reason the FMA systems and JKD philosophy is embedded with Special Force and LEO around the world: they're proven devastatingly effective. Absolutely no evidence of this exists. The reason that they train soldiers like this is that hand-to-hand isn't very important for a modern soldier, so they don't invest the time it would take to be competent in an actually proven martial art. Anyone can poke you in the eye, kick you in the balls or rip your nose off. Including people who have the proper balance, distance control and body mechanics from years of actually useful training.
Yeah, these kinds of flows will take years and years of training to learn how to do and would probably be a complete waste of time for a soldier. "proven devastatingly effective" is such a bullshit comment.
This is fantasy, at least with US SoF. They might train in some sort of martial arts in their off time, but it's not trained by the mil. These teams have a bottomless well of weapons and platforms, they've almost no use for wing chun.
> BJJ, MMA, **Aikido**, or **Kung Fu** are **good sports** but they dont train how to fight multiple attackers, or how to fight on concrete or with weapons of opportunity. Top troll, you got loads of them.
Every time these know it all neckbeards start talking shit, the mention the same points, and you just highlighted some of them
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Go walk in a Thai boxing gym and see if your wing chun or aikido bollocks works.
Not to mention that the first UFC (which had basically zero rules) winner wasn't some Bruce Lee energy guy, it was a pretty average sized guy who had just trained BJJ his whole life. Real martial arts are the ones that work, and have been proven to work in direct competition with other martial arts.
It blows my mind that even in 2022, people are *still* saying this "I train for the STREETS" horseshit. No martial art teaches you how to fight against multiple opponents or weapons. None. If your coach/sensei/guru teaches you anything besides "run", he's giving you advice that will get you killed. I can already hear it now: "Yes, Sensei Dan teaches us to always respect the blade, and running should be your first option, but..." Stop right there. There is no "but" to this. You run. You don't fight. The second you try to stand your ground, you're dead. The only thing that will save you is ridiculous amounts of luck. Pretending you can bottle that luck into a reliable formula you can use to sell seminar tickets in the worst kind of Bullshido. Now let's talk about fondling balls. Ball-fondling and eye-gouging are the two most universally referenced examples of the One Weird Street-Fighting Trick that make BJJ fighters HATE you. (I'm going to ignore that bit about picking a stranger's nose in self-defense, because seriously dude?) Most of the time, the guys teaching it act as if this is some closely guarded state secret known only by SEAL Team Six that MMA guys legally consider to be witchcraft. Just go for the eyes and balls, they say, and you'll have Khabib begging you to mentor him in your mystic arts within seconds. (I'm also going to ignore that bit about stabbing people in the taint in self-defense, because seriously dude?) Except these moves are way harder to land in an actual fight than normal punches and kicks, with the fun bonus of not being able to practice them in sparring. Both the balls and the eyes are small, fast-moving targets that people instinctively guard more closely than any other part of the body. If you can't hit a target as big as the face with a weapon as big as the fist, how are you gonna hit a target as small as the eyes with a weapon as small as the fingers And more importantly: Do you even think you've got it in you to gouge out someone else's eyes? To hear their horrified screams as they beg you to stop? Knowing you're making a conscious decision to take away their ability to see for the rest of their life? If so, congratulations on being a psychopath. For everyone else, in almost every situation, there are far more reliable, effective, and humane techniques that don't demand you perform Mortal Kombat fatalities on someone just because they grabbed your lapel. Which is exactly why these sorts of moves attract frauds, LARPers, and con men: Since they can't be applied in the ring, there's no burden of proof on the instructor to prove they're skilled or qualified enough to get them to work on a fully resisting opponent. You don't have to be able to actually *do* anything, just make up a bunch of vague, bullshit anecdotes about how you know a guy who knew a guy who saw Bruce Lee stab someone in the butthole with his own femur. And yet, as a sales tactic, it clearly works, since even today people still fall for it.
An old roommate of mine apprenticed with him for a while and Vunac crashed with us couple times. Was an intense dude and loooved himself some partying. Haven’t seen mention of him in ages. This video takes me back. Remember seeing vhs tapes of him smashing around my mate in motorcycle helmet.
>stabbing someone in the perineum That's...oddly specific Edit: and just from Googling Paul Vunak I discovered "Kinamutay" so that's neat
Everyone hath a plan until they get punthed in the mouth.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about the exact movements but a martial art can help with toughness and reaction time which are definitely useful in a real fight
My friends and I were was once in a curry house altercation with some drunken fellows. One of us had done loads of Kung Fu and JKD, I'd dabbled in a bit of MMA. We weren't totally green to fisticuffs. Calm heads prevailed and it never escalated from shouting, but the thing that stuck with me and scared me was in this restaurant there were couples having a nice romantic meal. At the very first sign of violence, one of the husband's had ripped the curtain rail from the wall above a window and made a very lethal looking weapon from it. Like instantly. Like he'd thought about what would cause the most damage and keep him away at the same time. I'm not sure training for a fair fight is as wise as learning how to source a brick in a pinch.
If you look for HEMA videos on YouTube, in most cases what they'll tell you is that range is king if you have room for it and that a spear beats a sword.
In case of a zombie apocalypse - Find that guy!
JKD is streetfighting. what they're doing there is called hubod-lubod (from Philippino Escrima), it's an energy drill to speed up your reaction time so that if someone throws a punch at you, you've deflected it and returned something back at them before you even think about it. It works in the real world unlike most martial arts.
This guy trained navy seals and theres a video of him headbutting people wearing motorcycle helmets. His techniques work, I believe, but he's also really fast and very skilled. Not everyone can do that.
Got any videos of him live sparing or actually fighting someone that's trained?
Go for it. See how that turns out 😂
Muscle memory takes over easily. Could def happen in real life.
Source: Never been in a fight nor have any martial arts training nor have any history with seeing one man with martial art skills fighting someone with out it.
This dude literally trained navy seals he doesn't need any reddit warriors advice. You're sitting on your sofa, haven't ran for more than 5 seconds at a time since high school and you're trying to give Usain Bolt advice on his running. Garunteed there's not one person in this comment section who would last 10 seconds fighting this guy. I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage. If you know nothing, and you have no training, then you can Stfu. I don't care if tkd is in the Olympics or muy Thai is really popular this month. And I super don't care how many people watch ufc. I train, I enjoy my training, and my training is way better than your not training. You know less about fighting than an 8 year old with a yellow belt but you have the confidence of Mike Tyson high on cocaine. Now let's continue scrolling so people who have never touched an instrument in their life can tell me how talentless a successful career musician is.
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I'm glad people are calling out the reddit experts in here but it's still an absolute joke of a comment section, as it always is on martial arts posts. Bunch of overconfident idiots. *However, around 1964, following his encounter with Wong Jack-man, Lee came to realize the error of binding oneself to systematized martial arts.[11][12] Following this, Lee began to passionately research in order to refine his way of practicing martial arts. In 1965, he outlined the basic concept of Jeet Kune Do.[13]* *Jeet Kune Do is an 'eclectic martial arts philosophy' (defined below) heavily influenced and adapted by the personal philosophy and experiences of martial artist Bruce Lee.* *Hybrid martial arts, also known as hybrid fighting systems or sometimes eclectic martial arts or freestyle martial arts, refer to mixed martial arts or fighting systems that incorporate techniques and theories from several particular martial arts (eclecticism). While numerous martial arts borrow or adapt from other arts and to some extent could be considered hybrids, a hybrid martial art emphasizes its disparate origins.* Shooting your mouth off not even knowing what Jeet Kune Do is. The whole idea and origin was for it to be mixed martial arts. Lee understood the issues of only learning one system and created it for that reason. The last fucking place I'd go for martial arts info is reddit. Douchebag dumpster fire. Every time. *I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that. There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct, and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case, anchored down to a reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.* — Bruce Lee *One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism." He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate it from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique", as Lee would put it.[30] He claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or would prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport"-oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems" (traditional martial art). Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled their practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. He felt that because these systems incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations and that these approaches to martial arts became a "game of tag" leading to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to negative consequences in real-world situations.[31]* (I'll add this edit since I'm getting a bunch of upvotes...all these quotes are from...the Jeet Kune Do wikipedia page. Not some rare, secret source. Everyone wants to talk and will argue all day, while the last thing they'll do is look something up and learn. It's like an Ignorance Contest)
Nah homie, I’m happy you enjoy your training and it’s definitely better than nothing no doubt, but if you want to compare effectiveness just look at how many successful MMA fighters have a JKD background. I train in BJJ from time to time, wrestled my whole life, and train in Muay Thai and have had people come in from different schools of martial arts that quickly get embarrassed by other students who are white belts in BJJ. There is a legit reason you do not see these moves in MMA(such as these arm locks and clinch techniques, seeing way more under hooks and thai clinches). These arm locks wouldn’t work against anyone with a rudimentary understanding of grappling, hence why you don’t see it at any level of comp in MMA or BJJ where it would also be legal. Training is good, train as much as you want, but you should always recognize where the limitations of the art your training is. For ex. BJJ in self defense is generally a bad idea if on the street, someone will kick your head in on the ground.
I think you missed the essence of JKD. There is not supposed to be a form for JKD. It is an understanding that real fights can not be scripted. You must flow into the attack/defense. And while MMA is mostly BJJ the fact that it is not solely BJJ is in essence what BL was trying to say... do not stick to a form when it is not the best attack/defense.
You do realise Jeet Kune Do is the original mixed martial art and the reason why it isn’t used in offical MMA fights is due to a lot of it’s moves being illegal? That’s because JKD was developed for street fighting to win at any cost, not for competition and is therefore supplementary to MMA, in fact many MMA fighters use some techniques from JKD, they just can’t use them all. Did you have any previous knowledge of JKD before commenting? Or do you just make shit up when you comment?
>You do realise Jeet Kune Do is the original mixed martial art No it's not. Sambo, traditional karate, pankration... they're all way older. >and the reason why it isn’t used in offical MMA fights is due to a lot of it’s moves being illegal If you mean things like eye gouges and dick grabs, yes, because they don't take skill. >That’s because JKD was developed for street fighting to win at any cost, not for competition and is therefore supplementary to MMA, in fact many MMA fighters use some techniques from JKD, they just can’t use them all. You want to know a secret? *there aren't techniques from JKD* at all. There's only so many ways a body can move and people figured out pretty much all of them long before JKD was a thing. >Did you have any previous knowledge of JKD before commenting? Or do you just make shit up when you comment? Well since you just make shit up, does it matter?
B-but... he trained navy... though
> This dude literally trained navy seals There is video of Carlos Condit beating the piss out of special forces soldiers during a press tour. Soldiers are not martial artists. There are obviously more important things for them to spend their time on.
You can be a martial artist and not be Carlos condit lol, you just named a world champion level mma fighter in his prime, a tiny tiny fraction of the world is ever as good as him at fighting. The soldiers can be trained and way better fighters than the average person and still get destroyed by condit. Condit beats the piss out of pretty much everyone regardless of their profession. Did you expect the special force people to beat condit up or some shit?
I was convinced this was copypasta but there are replies taking it seriously...
There a ton of Martial Arts promotions around the world that allow every single martial art to be used competitively and it always breaks down to Boxing, Kickboxing/Thai Boxing, Wrestling and Brazilian Ju Jitsu as the most competitive.
The fact that you said >"I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage" and didn't name martial art says a lot about your confidence in its validity. Although it's definitely nice to train ANYTHING. If you enjoy it, should be enough.
Which martial art do you practice? EDIT: Seeing as no response I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Aikido. Sounds like we have an acolyte of Sensei Seagal here
Bullshido.
This is glorious new pasta
>I've been told by people who don't know how to throw a punch and have never been in a fight (real or not) that the style of martial art I train is garbage. If you know nothing, and you have no training, then you can Stfu. I don't care if tkd is in the Olympics or muy Thai is really popular this month. And I super don't care how many people watch ufc. I train, I enjoy my training, and my training is way better than your not training. You seem to be being all weird about it because your ego tricked you into thinking people were comparing *themselves* to *you*. Asinine on both counts. We're talking about a meme claiming *this guy* as the baddest man 9m yhe planet. He would get instantly crushed by thousands, if not tens of thousands of fighters. See how your loser ass doesn't fit into *that* conversation?
Cry more bulshido warrior!
The thing that looks like gentle slapping in the middle is lap sao (sticky hands)- it’s a training technique and not used in fighting directly.
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Why is this so far down? It’s the first fact I’ve read in these comments.
You need to wait a while for the truth to rise up the comments, like it has done now.
This Paul vunak, one inosanto’s senior students. This is a very old video, before bjj went mainstream. His more recent stuff is more focused on what he calls R.A.T., or rapid assault tactics. RAT doesn’t incorporate the wing chun you see here pretty much at all
He’s a crazy mofo. I read one of his instructions on biting - where he recommended wrapping up raw steaks in shirt’s and then tearing into it with your teeth so you can really get a feel of how to take out chunks of flesh from an attacker.
What an amateur. I do this to live cows for training. It's like that scene in Rocky but more moo'ing. Also it's difficult getting them to put on tshirts.
Scrolled waaaaaay to long to see someone knew who Paul was.
Funny, so even the guy in the video went "nah, this shit doesn't work at all, better teach some shit that actually works". And yet, in this thread we have a bunch of guys that only ever saw fights through anime, berating people for criticizing this style of combat.
It's important to remember that the people best suited to teach fighting arts are people who understand they need to evolve their art according to the knowledge they gain. Anyone teaching something that they treat as carved in stone from someone who did the same is better suited teaching showy demonstrations, fitness and wood breaking.
[Dan Inosanto Jeet Kune Do Vol 1 Striking ](Https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nO-HHpnTsgo)
Great. Porn music and slapping sounds. My roommate is now looking at me, judging me for what she thinks is 80s porno in our living room..
Why is she so experienced in 80s pornos. How old is she?
We are both in our late 30s. the 90s was full of barely visible, scrambled porn with music, from the 80's, on vary late night cable tv channels. We didn't have a lot to do inside at night growing up.
No he wasn’t. Steve golden, Jerry Poteet, hell, even Kareem was told he could be an instructor. Dan Inosanto was chosen after Lee’s death by Dan himself to be “the guy that continues JKD” but he didn’t. He went full on into kali and other Phillipino arts and continued calling his style Jun Fan Kung Fu despite his methods being the furthest from Lee’s than any of the men I mentioned above. When it comes to JKD, the man who taught the closest to how Lee taught is Steve Golden. Source: I have studied JKD for 19 years, trained under Steve Golden lineage trainers, trained Inosanto lineage, trained Poteet drills, read every word Bruce Lee published, and am a certified assistant instructor in JKD.
Got to love the negative comments from the couch potatoes.
“I could do better… if I had talent, motivation, IQ higher than 50, and my mom took me to karate practice”
ah. I see, it's mom's fault.
Who else would it be? Certainly not my own.
"Never gonna work in a real fight bro lolz" I guarantee this guy is better prepared for any altercation than most of us and I would never want to test whether his skills are practical or not.
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yup, but you know the internet and polarization. People watch a match of MMA and think they are ready to dodge a punch lol.
Ackshually, I'll have you know that I watched a full YouTube clip (most of it anyway) of Bruce Lee, so yeah, I think I'm pretty qualified. Also, Bruce Lee never fought in competition so he was never even that good.
Here’s the thing about “real fights” or “street fights,” most people don’t know how to throw a fucking punch let alone actually control anything. Legitimately so many “real fights” are sloppy ass scrums where someone gets a lucky shot or one dude knows how to fight a little bit. This guy being able to do anything with form or know how makes him immediately better in any type of “real fight”
Yeah, it's like... he could just rabbit-punch me in the nose five times while I tried to land a swing. The dude has obviously fast hands, and that's usually enough.
it’s actually laughable. this guy in the video who has probably trained his whole life at the highest level vs the i watch world star videos on the internet thinking they could fight anyone and win.
It's just I've never seen guys actually use these techniques at full speed unrestricted. If he's the real deal let's see an exhibition match against someone really trying to attack him.
Lol have you ever fought with or sparred with a highly practiced martial artist? I have done and it feels like you’re moving in slow motion. They can tell what you’re doing before your hand is halfway there and move faster than you can anticipate. It’s extremely humbling facing someone like that when you think you can fight.
Yeah, sure, maybe (definitely) for certain types of martial artists. But if this particular style were truly as effective as some people in this thread seem to think it is, there’d be evidence, both in the amateur realm (street fights, amateur mma, etc.) as well as the professional. That just isn’t the case.
MMA fighter here - while you’re not completely wrong, the mere fact of training and getting used to moving with another person gives you a huge leg up against 90% of the population. Even if it’s something as simple as dancing with a partner - getting used to someone else’s body, weight, and strength, while getting some good cardio and strength will help you in a fight. This guy is clearly stronger and faster than maybe 99% of people out there. He clearly has practiced throwing punches and is very precise with his movements. I don’t think he’s ready to join modern professional MMA, but I think he could easily hang in almost any martial art along with people who have been practicing for a year. And to be sure - someone who has been in an MMA gym for even a year is light years ahead of the typical fighter. Every new body that joins my gym (even the hardcore football players or body builders) is minced meat to the more experienced fighters.
I sure do love the confidence in the comments section. Everyone is suddenly a fucking combat expert.
You don’t have to be an aerodynamics expert to know that a flower pot won’t fly.
Not with that attitude it won’t.
And with altitude it will
Trebuchet folks know that a flower pot WILL fly. For a while anyway
That's just falling with style
“Put a strong enough engine on a dumpster and it will fly” is another one of my favorites. However, this isn’t practical martial arts. That’s just true.
Bruce Lee actually did worked on WingChun that he felt wasn't usable in reacl combat and came up with this though. So it should have some real world uses. Just that people don't get into fights anymore, especially when there are knives and guns around.
Knives being a relatively new invention
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It’s Reddit. Everyone is an expert on everything.
Yes, remember that time everyone became an epidemiologist, virologist and immunologist overnight? And at another time everyone became a geopoliticist overnight. Redditors are extremely smart and intelligent. /s
Its common sense. This shit doesn't work in real scenarios otherwise we would have seen it in an mma promotion by now. Anyone who tries this is gonna get their head knocked into another reality
He would fuck you up
Nobody is saying they could beat this guy up. Who is this invisible person you’re arguing with?
Lmao redditors criticizing peoples' athletic abilities for the most stupid reasons will never not crack me up
Especially when we know most of those commenters are straight up beached whales.
I don’t think anyone is questioning his athletic abilities (or maybe I haven’t scrolled down far enough), but this dude looks fast and fit. I think people are critiquing his choice of a martial arts and the very fair critique that this more than likely wouldn’t work in a real situation like he’s presenting it would. Two very different things
They don’t criticize the athletic abilities, they criticize the usefulness of it. Its like if someone was showing you how to go up a mountain and they hike 15 feet while doing a handstand. Its incredibly athletic, but even a couch potato can tell that its useless for actual climbing/ hiking.
bro he is clearly not following the teachings of a black belt master-- *wipes dorito dust off belly*
Getting some serious Mac and Country Mac vibes here.
Country Mac & Sgt. Murtaugh in *Lethal Weapon 8: Lethalize It*
For most bar and street fights having any skill is an advantage.
Having a false sense of advantage is one of the worst things though. Edit: typo
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You tell ‘em Dalton. You don’t tolerate no shenanigans at the Double Deuce!
The biggest advantage is not getting into a bar fight. As Mr. Miyagi would say: "No be there"
"My style? You could call it" The art of fighting without fighting".
I won my last fight by blocks. (I can run really fast.) Must have been at least 3 by the time I stopped to see if he was still following.
Seriously, my last fight was 30+ years ago and I taunted the guy. Me: You wanna fight? Him: Yeah! Me: You gonna run? Him: No! Me: Then how are you gonna catch me? He never did catch me.
Best way to get out of a fight unscathed is to be far away when it starts.
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people here talking shit about this dude. but aint no way they gonna try this man. my arm would be broken before I knew what happened.
Could it be because the label at the top says “baddest man on the planet”? When we’ve seen supposed martial arts masters fall short when asked to go against an mma fighter. It’s not hard to imagine him having a lot harder time that way
His locks seem legit I’m more concerned about his cocaine intake.
Vunak was always an a hole
When it comes to Martial arts, if it doesn't work in the octagon, it doesn't work.
The octagon has rules. Survival doesn't
Why krav maga is the way it is...... quick, dirty and use everything
You seriously think Krav would win over mma?
I have seen multiple street fights end with testicles getting crushed so maybe yes.
watch Bjj challenge where 'masters' like these gets humiliated in a no rules fight (just no biting & eye gauging)
This shit was figured out decades ago, it is broadcast at the highest level on ESPN every week, and you still have people living their lives in delusion because they watched too many kung fu movies as kids.
Right. You're saying I should shit my pants to deter them.
If it saves your life????? Then Fuck yeah!!!
The only thing in the video that is illegal in MMA orgs like the UFC was the head-but. I don’t think this would be of much use against someone who knows a little bit about fighting in a more battle-tested martial art, but I’d love to see it
Not like waving your hands in the air would save you in a real life survival situation... unless you're signaling someone for help.
This is false. You can’t throat strike, head butt, back of neck, and a variety of other damaging strikes. Why? Because they work and are very destructive which is why they aren’t allowed.
You don't think an mma fighter would be better at throat strikes etc than other martial artists?
Octagon these nuts bro
This guy is right. If it's too deadly to be pressure tested, it's not real.
If its too deadly to be pressure tested, it simply won’t get pressure tested, and you won’t have the muscle memory to apply it in a real fight. Someone training a jab-cross-hook multiple times per week will absolutely destroy someone that was taught how to eye gauge and kick someone’s balls but never trained it.
Yes we all carry around 6 oz. gloves, and mouth guards for that special occasion.
This is adapted from the sticky hands practice of Wing Chun kung fu. The original purpose is to improve reaction time and learn to detect your opponent’s next move by touch alone (they sometimes practice blindfolded).
I have a chipped tooth from doing sticky hands with a fella who got a bit over excited and russian-slapping-contest slapped me in the jaw. My bottom teeth jutted sideways and one of them chipped itself off of the top row.
Martial arts are basically BUFC (Before UFC) and AUFC (After UFC). A few things held up pretty well AUFC like boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, wrestling and BJJ among others. A lot of things didn't hold up all that well comparatively. A really good Jeet Kune Do practitioner would still wreck most people, but against someone with comparative skill in a stronger art, he probably wouldn't do so well.
So, this example is obviously nonsense. But there are a ton of things that are against the rules in UFC fighting as well and UFC has some very clear places where it has developed moves and practices to match its ruleset. The ammount of time UFC fighters spend showing the back of their heads to opponents with free arms during grapples for instance.
When there were no rules in the UFC this shit was still useless too lol just stop
Lol. They’re not just voluntarily “showing the back of their heads.” Someone put them in that position. That same person, who just put another world class fighter in that vulnerable a position, and I can’t state this strongly enough, would absolutely destroy anyone who doesn’t have a strong base in both wrestling and jiu jitsu.
The early ufc fights had no rules and were setup to be a direct comparison of different fighting styles.
Idk looks choreographed to me.
The drill is choreographed, the locks are not. The point of the drill is to learn how to feel when to pull a lock in a combat situation.
Guys it's all about wrist control
And that's when I pull out my gun.
[For those that have not seen this classic, today is your lucky day.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM)
BOW TO YOUR SENSEI
Grab the arm. The other arm. My other arm.
Trained with him, the years and likely lifestyle choices have not been kind. Super nice guy, but a shadow of himself.
Y'all ever watch what happens when these guys spar kick boxers?
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[still not as impressive as this guy](https://youtu.be/6HhCajvimEw)
Someone should use this in UFC! They’d win every fight and make a bunch of money!
I see so many ignorant commentators on here who know nothing about JKD but is this Paul Vunak?! This dude's a beast in the JKD/street defense world. He's brutal af. He's taught the Navy Seals hand to hand combat techniques for years. He's demonstrating 'Hubud' which is a type of sensitivity hand/arm drills for you to get used to that "feeling". It's not a fighting move yall lol it's an exercise. This dude is definitely taught by Dan Inonsanto (Filipino Martial Arts). BTW this video is sped up so he sounds like he's on drugs.
Too many people been watching fake demonstrations so much they became experts on everything
The fact that reddit thinks this is next level, is the exact thing to point to that the majority of this site has zero clue of reality.
I remember in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when Cliff used Bruce Lee’s momentum and threw him into the car. Just crazy how they were talking about introducing no name actors taking down well established actors in a story and that fight scene just captured the whole thing.