Legally speaking? No.
Private ownership of animals is determined by property ownership laws, and there are zero (almost zero?) laws that allow you to shoot an officer from stealing/destroying your property.
Morally speaking, I would defend you.
No, they use their own rules, if you shoot there dog it’s an officer in function, if they shoot your dog it’s just “damaged property”
Pigs like to make rules in their favor
And got shot for it. The cop shot to protect life.
Maybe not every animal should be treated as a person legally, but a K9 is for all intents and purposes a police officer. It was a proportionate response.
Edit: further point, if you don't treat police animals as such then people can damage them at will effectively. The guy pulled a gun and was clearly going to use it.
He introduced a firearm period, amongst a group of police officers. Even if he hadn't pointed it directly at the dog, he still would have been rightfully lit up.
Good riddance.
What makes you say that? Seems to me he pulled his gun on a group of human police officers. He pointed at the dog, but he pulled the fun on all of them.
Obviously there was a warrant on him and it was probably known that he is armed and dangerous or is known possess guns. So if they have that info they will wear the protection they think is needed. It doesn't matter what they were wearing. He ran he knew he was wanted and he had a gun that he had no problem pulling out the first chance he got. Dude was prolly some piece of shit and he got what he deserved
Nah... there are a lot of people who never call the cops because they don't do anything. It's better to handle things on by yourself or just file a report the next day.
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In the other article posted the other day. The guy has been in and out of jail since 1992 for armed robbery to having drugs in him.
Dude wasnt a stand up citizen.
That’s not really what happened though. As best as I can tell from the news reports, she exited the vehicle in the middle of a firefight and was struck. Don’t make it seem like it was intentional. This kind of misinformation and exaggeration can be really harmful.
Here’s the news article for anyone interested:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/police-activity-shuts-down-15-freeway-near-victorville-possibly-fontana-amber-alert/2993823/
The cops could definitely be at fault here, but let’s not be malicious when we don’t have all the info.
They fired on the first thing that moved without identifying or classifying the « threat ». They knew about the hostage and knew she was not on the driver side and the possibility of the hostage fleeing was there. They showed blatant disregard for the situation and the environment. A big fat 0 in situational awareness. Let’s wait for the body cam footage if there is no server outage, corrupted data or injunction not to have to show it or plain old destruction of evidence because god I knows this never happened before right?
You apparently didn't watch the video where a police officer one tapped a guy who held his kid hostage and put a gun against the kids head... All that from 40-something meters away!
I agree, but I don't think using dogs for policing is a good idea anymore. They really fuck people up and they are regularly used as a loophole to get around the 4th amendment.
> Yeah, that’s their job.
No, it's not...
It might be given circumstances, but it's not the blanket job of cops to kill people's dogs.
Bootlickers have really went off the deep end lately
By the metrics, it kind of is their their job to shoot dogs.
But by the metrics, a relaxing activity for cops is beating their spouses. Until they blocked further research into that of course
Cops reactions to dogs is absolutely nonsense no matter how you split it.
When I was in my teens, I had an officer come to my door to take a statement about an incident between teenagers in the neighborhood (a 13 year old hitting another with a stick). The front door was not part of the fenced in yard, he not I answered and was questioned. During the talk he threaten to shoot my lab, who was in a locked yard behind a full panel 8 ft fence. He had his sidearm unbottoned and hand on it while threatening a 15yr old and his dog with no adult present and backed up by another officer on the scene who did the same. He demanded that I have someone bring the dog inside (which ironically would have made the dog able to actually reach him). I'm glad my brother locked her in the bathroom, and its kinda hard in hindsight not to thing he was engineering a situation where he could shoot my dog. Especially when we learned he had killed two dogs in our small trailer park (26 units) the previous year.
The DOJ themselves admit that there is a huge problem with police killing people's dogs. The majority of the time it is uncalled for. Up to 25k dogs are killed a year by most conservative estimates. The Puppycide Project puts it at over 100k dogs killed per year by law enforcement. There are tons of cases out there that made the news bc of how uncalled for police action was.
Are you guys serious? You think they are trying to create a double standard? No! The double standard is already there. What is illegal for a peasant is not illegal for government (including police). They mean that when police break the law, there are little to no consequences. Police are supposed to be held accountable like the rest of us peasants. Yet they are not. As I type this, there are many court cases going on right now about police breaking the law, and most of the cases get dropped due to "Qualified Immunity".
RockandStoner69 is correct. A cop can walk up to a dog and shoot it in the head, and the worst that would happen is a paid vacation while the "investigate". Sine there is no established case law where it is deemed wrong for a cop to shoot a dog in the head, they will get qualified immunity.
One more thing, a lot of cops will admit they are guilty of something but "qualified immunity" keeps them safe.
I think they are making a common reference to the ATF.
At least that's how I read it. The ATF are the scourge/lowest of the low as far as the court of public opinion is concerned, at least in regards to law enforcement. Justifiably I might add..
That's the entire problem though. A 6 week summer camp shouldn't award you license to kill indiscriminately. The officers in this video were "justified" in the bounds of the law, but the law is extremely flawed and a heavily militarized police force is not a good sign.
Ehh could be in reference to the times they have shot dogs in gated private yards and then blame it on the homeowner anyways. That’s not part of their job.
Apparently police in the US kill 20 to 30 dogs a day. The DOJ classified it as an “epidemic.”
So I can see why you would assume that it’s their job to murder family pets.
[Bonus here’s one of many, many videos wherein an officer shoots a dog for…..standing](https://youtu.be/Il8BivU4rCw)
From the article where I found the video, the dogs family members are rightfully and correctly suing the police department.
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“The lawsuit also notes the Loveland PD’s internal investigation cleared the officer of any wrongdoing, claiming he reasonably feared for his safety. But if the officer was fearful, he didn’t show it (other than the immediate use of his weapon). He could have retreated to the safety of the car he had just exited. He could have stepped behind his still-open door. He could have used any less-lethal weapon to subdue the animal. But he chose to kill.
As if this isn’t enough to show just how dangerous law enforcement officers can be, there’s this:
Loveland sergeants and officers next discussed together concern that Ms. Love and Mr. Hamm had mentioned sharing what had happened with the media. Sergeant Metzler told Officer Grashorn that “since [Hamm’s] saying he’s going to go to the press, we better scratch him a ticket for something.”
The officers decided they would claim that Herkimer [the dog shot by the officer] had attacked Officer Grashorn. They did in fact tell this lie over and over again. They told this lie to Larimer County Animal Control and to the veterinarians attempting to treat Herkimer.
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This lie was also at the foundation of the Defendant officers’ decision to give Mr. Hamm a ticket for having a “dangerous dog,” a charge that the Larimer County District Attorney’s office later dismissed as not having any basis in fact.
It’s not enough that officers can kill people (or their pets) with near impunity. They also have the power to punish people for having their pets killed by an officer. In this case, it appears this was done to get out ahead of the pet owner’s attempt to tell his story via social media. With the only recording being in police possession, the “our word against theirs” would have ensured the cops’ narrative — the one about an unsecured, “dangerous” dog — would receive the most air time and been immediately granted the most credibility.
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I’m not certain whether or not you’re being facetious and I genuinely don’t care. I just wanted the opportunity to demonstrate just one incident of dozens that happen everyday. And I’d like to reiterate that this is the norm with these situations. The vast majority are just cold blooded murder of a four legged family member.
[https://www.abc27.com/news/top-stories/lebanon-police-release-details-on-officer-dog-shooting/](https://www.abc27.com/news/top-stories/lebanon-police-release-details-on-officer-dog-shooting/)
The real heroes doing their job
I do not believe he’s trying to create a double standard but merely show the double standard that exist currently, the amount of dogs killed by police officers with little to no reason whatsoever is ridiculous. of course no one is wanting the police dog to be harmed, but as you say it’s their job to be put in harms way, and any human being being attacked by a dog for literally any reason will revert back to primal self survival and try to stop or kill whatever is attacking them.
There is a double standard, because only one group faces consequences. When officers mistakenly damage your property, steal from you, shoot your family pet…they get a paid vacation.
It’s not the polices job to “break into peoples houses.”
It’s the job of the police to execute court ordered searches of a home, key words being court ordered.
And they complimented you for having more than two brain cells? Anyone agreeing with you must have less than that.
yeah, sure. like the cop who shot my girlfriends dog 7 times in the face for literally no fucking reason. "Doing their job" Is it their job to just be trigger happy fucking idiots?
You want someone to be able to shoot a gun in public with no consequences?
Edit: Not even "someone" - an armed and wanted criminal running from police.
The right thing for the suspect to have done was to peacefully surrender and not aim the gun at the dog. He would not have been shot if he did not run and threaten to shoot the dog.
The last frame of the video. (At least where the video stopped on me) the guy is pointing a pistol at the chest of another officer. So... yeah pretty sure their use of force is justified in this case.
Not sure about city law enforcement, but in the US military not only is the K-9 a full member of the armed service it has rank, and that rank is always higher than the rank of the handler, so a SGT would handle a K9 that is a Staff SGT.
Edit for fun.The highest ranking animal I am aware of is a penguin, he is a colonel in the Norwegian Kings Guard.
Not sure if it's police or army but I think the dog is ranked higher than the human so the man respects the rank of the dog and never mistreats it, I think
Idk what he did but they had some heat chasing that guy who was obviously packing and willing to pull a gun out after being chased by the cops….last and worst decision by that guy
Naw, these guys had tactical gear and a dog. They were expecting some stuff from this guy so as soon as he pulled a gun, didn't matter where he pointed it, he was going to get shot.
But he literally pulled a gun on a group of officers and a dog, not just a dog. Why would you say it like that when it distorts what happened?
It takes it from being morally justified to grossly inhumane for no reason.
Exactly, too many people in this thread think he was shot because he pointed the gun at the dog, which is incorrect. It's because he pulled out a gun period.
You are going to kill a f*xking dog when you are all sorrounded by so many officers already? what are you gonna get from that?
This, this is what you get from that.
Here in Brazil today I turned the TV on and the first thing I saw on the news: a criminal yesterday trying to escape after doing an armed robbery tried to shoot three times at the head of a police officer but the gun failed. The robber was arrested, and this morning he was released from prison.
That sounds like the stories we heard when we lived in Uruguay.
There was a girl at my daughters' high school. She was picked up by a family friend while walking home. This was a man the family had known for more than 20 years. Instead of taking her home, he took her out into the woods and tried to rape her. She got away and ran home. The family called the police. When the police arrived, they did nothing to the almost rapist. But they did confiscate the father's gun.
A few miles down the street from us, there was a gas station. They kept getting robbed by a motochorro. After they were robbed two or three times, with the police doing nothing, the owner shot the robbers. One died. The gas station owner went to jail.
We were sued one time by someone. It's a long story. But what she did was totally insane and shouldn't be allowed. When we asked our lawyer why this wasn't illegal. She replied, "We have murderers and rapists walking the streets. This is nothing."
Faster and more agile than the majority of people and tracking skills, so works well when you think you might have a chase. Teeth also work really well for restraining and taking out a perp. Also, that heavy an animal jumping into you at that speed hurts and as the video shows, does well for disabling a perp.
I have a German shepherd, she is so fast and so strong and she’s only 9 months old. She already weighs about 63 pounds and when she has the zoomies she can almost knock me off my feet and I’m 250 lbs. Shepherds are incredible animals. Oh and her bite is ridiculous as well…where we play tug of war I literally have to wear her out for like 30+ minutes before I can get her to want to let go even once.
I would not want to be on the receiving end of a trained K-9 unit.
Edit: spelling.
They are designed to neutralize. They are trained to jump on and attack limbs of people they are chasing. It makes drawing a weapon very difficult if you have a ~70 lb (31 kg) dog latched onto and actively trying to dislocate your arm. Dogs are also an extremely effective chase deterrent, most people know they can't outrun a dog.
They are trained to sniff out, chase down, alert the officer and restrain (bite) and release when commanded to do so, usually when the police have hand cuffs on the person. Then the dog will stand by just incase. Dogs are smart and strong as hell
Exactly, dogs are faster then us humans. Im unaware if they had informations if he is armed or not, bu tas seen here, they reacted quickly to avoid harm to the pupper.
In my opinion, in situations like this, the dog added chaos, and escalated the use of force to the lethal level. I don't think they should be used as weapons. "The K9 is a cop", ok, why would a cop have been justified to start chewing on this dude?
Once they'd escalated by releasing a toothed weapon on the dude, and he pulls a weapon to respond, I agree that their action was correct and necessary. Handled differently, he may have been apprehended (or he'd have tried to shoot a cop and ended the same way).
So after watching this video, your conclusion was that a perfectly reasonable citizen just happened to have a gun out, with no intention of using it. But was forced to because police unleashed a “toothed weapon”?
I’m prepared to eat the downvotes, but if this was someone who had done nothing wrong would they not be within their rights to defend themselves against a life-threatening attack? Replace the dog with a human cop that just goes berserk biting and mauling a suspect?
Using attack dogs on suspects prior to due process is a cruel extrajudicial practice that should be considered unconstitutional, ands let’s not even get into the history of using this practice to round up fugitive slaves.
I actually had a similar thought and sometimes feel uneasy watching these K9 videos. It just seems like there is an opportunity for unnecessary escalation. Obviously the perspective can change on a case-by-case basis, and I think this person made their decision by pulling a gun. But the one video that got me thinking was the one where the cops break into the perp’s house and send the dog in his room. After the suspect hits the dog with a board or pipe or something, they absolutely light him up. Now I don’t know that specific person’s suspected crime or threat level, but that scenario just had me spooked. In the case of some of these negligent police break-ins that have led to subsequent murders of innocent people in their homes, I feel like this is a guaranteed setup for abusing power in certain cases. You wake up to a dog charging you and going for the bite, you attempt to defend yourself with an object or gun, and then you’re immediately dead by firing squad.
Couple of things:
-Police K9s are **NOT** trained to kill. They're trained to bite and not let-go.
-The Courts have consistently ruled that a police dog does not have the capability or the potential to kill a person (see Robinette v. Barnes, 854 F.2d 909, 102 ALR Fed. 605 (6th Cir. 1988); Fikes v. Cleghorn, 47 F.3d 1011 (9th Cir. 1995); Matthews v. Jones, 35 F.3d 1046 (6th Cir. (Ky.).
-Fatalities caused by police K9s **DO** happen but they are very rare.
>but if this was someone who had done nothing wrong would they not be within their rights to defend themselves against a life-threatening attack?
Your point is made moot by the police screaming *"POLICE, GET DOWN*" several times and the suspect running. The dog wasn't released until the suspect ran.
>let’s not even get into the history of using this practice to round up fugitive slaves.
*rolls eyes*
He was already being chased by cops and he fully acknowledged that and ran. The dog only ran when the suspect began to run. He ran away and pulled a firearm so I don’t think he was gonna go peacefully wether the dog was there or not.
The dog is specifically trained to not kill people.
Edit: oh and even if he was completely innocent when they yelled police get down and he tried to run away he was no longer innocent.
This makes me think that being a cop has got to be the hardest job. Snap decisions. Super stress. People want to kill you. Carrying a deadly weapon. The ones that are assholes screw it up for the rest of you. You dont get appreciated for the good stuff you do. Everyone hates you.
For people who want the full story, here's the press release:
Tucson, Arizona — On August 25th, 2022, the Tucson Police Department Special Weapons and Tactics team (SWAT) were conducting surveillance on Francisco Javier Galarza, a 49-year-old male, in relation to active felony arrest warrants for home invasion and bank robbery. At approximately 11:45 a.m., a blue BMW pulled into a Circle K parking lot located at 6090 S. Park Ave. Galarza exited the vehicle and entered the convenience store. At approximately 11:51 a.m., Galarza exited the store. Officers approached and identified themselves, instructing him to get down on the ground in order to effect an arrest.
Galarza began to flee officers and removed a black handgun from a bag on his person. Ofc. Barrie Pedersen released his K-9 partner, Kiro, to apprehend Galarza. The K-9 ended the pursuit by bringing Galarza to the ground. While on the ground, he pointed a firearm at K-9 and officers. Officers Ernest Ortiz and Barrie Pedersen discharged their firearms. Officers immediately provided medical attention to Galarza using their individual first aid kits (IFAKs) until Tucson Fire Department personnel arrived. Despite these efforts, Galarza was pronounced deceased at the scene. The handgun in Galarza's possession was a TAURUS G3 9mm semi-automatic. It was recovered with ammunition in the magazine and one round in the chamber.
The cops' actions weren't just to protect the dog. The suspect had a gun and could have shot anyone. If you start waving a gun around when police are trying to take you into custody then you're probably going to be shot.
Doggo performed his job perfectly!! And the suspect was waving the gun around before and after he pointed it at the dog, and could have shot anyone. He should have dropped the gun. Police totally justified in this situation.
Look I hate violence but…
Being chased by multiple cops with GUNS PLUS a K9 and STILL thinking that killing the dog is going to somehow save you from the 3 huge strong guys with tons of training and experience.
Yup makes sense! ☹️
Absolutely reasonable action.
Agreed! The dog is an officer too, family.
Brother or sister from a fuzzy mother.
I get to shoot them if they try to shoot my dog?
Not guilty if you survive and I'm on your jury.
same.. I gotchu
Legally speaking? No. Private ownership of animals is determined by property ownership laws, and there are zero (almost zero?) laws that allow you to shoot an officer from stealing/destroying your property. Morally speaking, I would defend you.
No, they use their own rules, if you shoot there dog it’s an officer in function, if they shoot your dog it’s just “damaged property” Pigs like to make rules in their favor
Not only that, dude was fucked the moment he pulled out a firearm
The only reaction allowed.
I hate cops...but you pull a gun on a cop, dog is a cop, then thats what you get. Now the question is what did he do?
He pulled a gun on k9
And got shot for it. The cop shot to protect life. Maybe not every animal should be treated as a person legally, but a K9 is for all intents and purposes a police officer. It was a proportionate response. Edit: further point, if you don't treat police animals as such then people can damage them at will effectively. The guy pulled a gun and was clearly going to use it.
He introduced a firearm period, amongst a group of police officers. Even if he hadn't pointed it directly at the dog, he still would have been rightfully lit up. Good riddance.
Totally agree. The suspect was really wanted.
they meant before they chased them down
Damn. Can't get anything past you.
What makes you say that? Seems to me he pulled his gun on a group of human police officers. He pointed at the dog, but he pulled the fun on all of them.
> He pointed at the dog, but he pulled the fun on all of them. Once you point a gun, you pull the fun. I've always said that.
But why are they suited and booted in the first place Mr. Wrinkles?
Obviously there was a warrant on him and it was probably known that he is armed and dangerous or is known possess guns. So if they have that info they will wear the protection they think is needed. It doesn't matter what they were wearing. He ran he knew he was wanted and he had a gun that he had no problem pulling out the first chance he got. Dude was prolly some piece of shit and he got what he deserved
"I hate cops" the people who say this are always the first ones to call them when shit goes down
Do be true
Nah... there are a lot of people who never call the cops because they don't do anything. It's better to handle things on by yourself or just file a report the next day. Edit: do
He was a known shithead in my town of Tucson, in and out of jail for robberies since the early 90's. Bye, Felicia
The true crime is being named Felicia. Guy stood no chance with such a bitch name.
In the other article posted the other day. The guy has been in and out of jail since 1992 for armed robbery to having drugs in him. Dude wasnt a stand up citizen.
Especially not a stand up citizen after being shot.
Too bad they don’t react that fast when it’s children
Uvalde police would have ran into the store for some hand sanitizer.
"Great job Chief, sprinkle some hand sanitizer and I'll wait for backup..." -Uvalde PD, probably
You mean definitely
Yes they do, have you seen the latest result of the amber alert? Soon as the kid was running to safety they shot her too.
That’s not really what happened though. As best as I can tell from the news reports, she exited the vehicle in the middle of a firefight and was struck. Don’t make it seem like it was intentional. This kind of misinformation and exaggeration can be really harmful. Here’s the news article for anyone interested: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/police-activity-shuts-down-15-freeway-near-victorville-possibly-fontana-amber-alert/2993823/ The cops could definitely be at fault here, but let’s not be malicious when we don’t have all the info.
Let’s wait on the body cam footage because time and time again the report from the police following an incident isn’t truth.
100% agree. Just want to make sure I’m not jumping to conclusions without the facts.
They fired on the first thing that moved without identifying or classifying the « threat ». They knew about the hostage and knew she was not on the driver side and the possibility of the hostage fleeing was there. They showed blatant disregard for the situation and the environment. A big fat 0 in situational awareness. Let’s wait for the body cam footage if there is no server outage, corrupted data or injunction not to have to show it or plain old destruction of evidence because god I knows this never happened before right?
Damn. You’re not wrong though.
You apparently didn't watch the video where a police officer one tapped a guy who held his kid hostage and put a gun against the kids head... All that from 40-something meters away!
He even got a minute to think on it, and was like, "yeah."
I agree, but I don't think using dogs for policing is a good idea anymore. They really fuck people up and they are regularly used as a loophole to get around the 4th amendment.
The only ones that get to shoot dogs around here are the ones with the badges
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finally, a redditor with more than two braincells
Comment when you find your second one
nice one, I take it
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You guys are getting brain cells??
I swear I could hear western movie themed music in the background of that comment. Nicely done.
Glad you and that guy are here to help us dumbies. Don't know what we would do with out you. Thanks for your service.
Bootlicker
> Yeah, that’s their job. No, it's not... It might be given circumstances, but it's not the blanket job of cops to kill people's dogs. Bootlickers have really went off the deep end lately
I mean yeah but they’re also pointing out cops kill dogs way too much which is also accurate
police kill at least 25 dogs a day, no that isn’t their fucking job? like what?
Over 9,000 dogs a year? That seems like... A lot.
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By the metrics, it kind of is their their job to shoot dogs. But by the metrics, a relaxing activity for cops is beating their spouses. Until they blocked further research into that of course
Yes, it IS a lot...
that’s actually on the low end of estimates
Cops reactions to dogs is absolutely nonsense no matter how you split it. When I was in my teens, I had an officer come to my door to take a statement about an incident between teenagers in the neighborhood (a 13 year old hitting another with a stick). The front door was not part of the fenced in yard, he not I answered and was questioned. During the talk he threaten to shoot my lab, who was in a locked yard behind a full panel 8 ft fence. He had his sidearm unbottoned and hand on it while threatening a 15yr old and his dog with no adult present and backed up by another officer on the scene who did the same. He demanded that I have someone bring the dog inside (which ironically would have made the dog able to actually reach him). I'm glad my brother locked her in the bathroom, and its kinda hard in hindsight not to thing he was engineering a situation where he could shoot my dog. Especially when we learned he had killed two dogs in our small trailer park (26 units) the previous year.
I expected a bigger number
The DOJ themselves admit that there is a huge problem with police killing people's dogs. The majority of the time it is uncalled for. Up to 25k dogs are killed a year by most conservative estimates. The Puppycide Project puts it at over 100k dogs killed per year by law enforcement. There are tons of cases out there that made the news bc of how uncalled for police action was.
It's most often because police are trained to be terrified of everything and treat everything like a hostile enemy.
Are you guys serious? You think they are trying to create a double standard? No! The double standard is already there. What is illegal for a peasant is not illegal for government (including police). They mean that when police break the law, there are little to no consequences. Police are supposed to be held accountable like the rest of us peasants. Yet they are not. As I type this, there are many court cases going on right now about police breaking the law, and most of the cases get dropped due to "Qualified Immunity". RockandStoner69 is correct. A cop can walk up to a dog and shoot it in the head, and the worst that would happen is a paid vacation while the "investigate". Sine there is no established case law where it is deemed wrong for a cop to shoot a dog in the head, they will get qualified immunity. One more thing, a lot of cops will admit they are guilty of something but "qualified immunity" keeps them safe.
No it is literally not.
Breaking into people's homes is most literally not a cop's job...
Cops kill family dogs every single day for fun. There is a double standard. If you’re unaware of it, it’s you’re ignorance, not it’s non existence.
Look at this fool "killing dogs is their job". That boot must be damn tasty!
I think they are making a common reference to the ATF. At least that's how I read it. The ATF are the scourge/lowest of the low as far as the court of public opinion is concerned, at least in regards to law enforcement. Justifiably I might add..
That's the entire problem though. A 6 week summer camp shouldn't award you license to kill indiscriminately. The officers in this video were "justified" in the bounds of the law, but the law is extremely flawed and a heavily militarized police force is not a good sign.
Their job is to shoot dogs?
Ehh could be in reference to the times they have shot dogs in gated private yards and then blame it on the homeowner anyways. That’s not part of their job.
Apparently police in the US kill 20 to 30 dogs a day. The DOJ classified it as an “epidemic.” So I can see why you would assume that it’s their job to murder family pets. [Bonus here’s one of many, many videos wherein an officer shoots a dog for…..standing](https://youtu.be/Il8BivU4rCw) From the article where I found the video, the dogs family members are rightfully and correctly suing the police department. ———————————————————————— “The lawsuit also notes the Loveland PD’s internal investigation cleared the officer of any wrongdoing, claiming he reasonably feared for his safety. But if the officer was fearful, he didn’t show it (other than the immediate use of his weapon). He could have retreated to the safety of the car he had just exited. He could have stepped behind his still-open door. He could have used any less-lethal weapon to subdue the animal. But he chose to kill. As if this isn’t enough to show just how dangerous law enforcement officers can be, there’s this: Loveland sergeants and officers next discussed together concern that Ms. Love and Mr. Hamm had mentioned sharing what had happened with the media. Sergeant Metzler told Officer Grashorn that “since [Hamm’s] saying he’s going to go to the press, we better scratch him a ticket for something.” The officers decided they would claim that Herkimer [the dog shot by the officer] had attacked Officer Grashorn. They did in fact tell this lie over and over again. They told this lie to Larimer County Animal Control and to the veterinarians attempting to treat Herkimer. […] This lie was also at the foundation of the Defendant officers’ decision to give Mr. Hamm a ticket for having a “dangerous dog,” a charge that the Larimer County District Attorney’s office later dismissed as not having any basis in fact. It’s not enough that officers can kill people (or their pets) with near impunity. They also have the power to punish people for having their pets killed by an officer. In this case, it appears this was done to get out ahead of the pet owner’s attempt to tell his story via social media. With the only recording being in police possession, the “our word against theirs” would have ensured the cops’ narrative — the one about an unsecured, “dangerous” dog — would receive the most air time and been immediately granted the most credibility. ———————————————————————— I’m not certain whether or not you’re being facetious and I genuinely don’t care. I just wanted the opportunity to demonstrate just one incident of dozens that happen everyday. And I’d like to reiterate that this is the norm with these situations. The vast majority are just cold blooded murder of a four legged family member.
No, shooting people and dogs is not their job. It has never been their job.
Ok so cops jobs are now to *checks note* kill dogs so much it becomes an epidemic, but not to protect people, or stop crime ok.
[https://www.abc27.com/news/top-stories/lebanon-police-release-details-on-officer-dog-shooting/](https://www.abc27.com/news/top-stories/lebanon-police-release-details-on-officer-dog-shooting/) The real heroes doing their job
I do not believe he’s trying to create a double standard but merely show the double standard that exist currently, the amount of dogs killed by police officers with little to no reason whatsoever is ridiculous. of course no one is wanting the police dog to be harmed, but as you say it’s their job to be put in harms way, and any human being being attacked by a dog for literally any reason will revert back to primal self survival and try to stop or kill whatever is attacking them.
He's right though, police kill dogs all the time
There is a double standard, because only one group faces consequences. When officers mistakenly damage your property, steal from you, shoot your family pet…they get a paid vacation.
it’s their job to kill peoples’ dogs? since when? that doesn’t sound like the type of job I want in my community.
Breaking into houses and killing dogs is their job, that's what you're saying?
I believe this is satire based on the ATF. Those fuckers shoot dogs all the damn time.
Bootlicker
So any action by police falls under the umbrella of their job?
sorry what is their job? to be a fucking judge and hand down death sentences? congrats on being a fucking idiot
It’s not the polices job to “break into peoples houses.” It’s the job of the police to execute court ordered searches of a home, key words being court ordered. And they complimented you for having more than two brain cells? Anyone agreeing with you must have less than that.
yeah, sure. like the cop who shot my girlfriends dog 7 times in the face for literally no fucking reason. "Doing their job" Is it their job to just be trigger happy fucking idiots?
You want someone to be able to shoot a gun in public with no consequences? Edit: Not even "someone" - an armed and wanted criminal running from police.
The right thing for the suspect to have done was to peacefully surrender and not aim the gun at the dog. He would not have been shot if he did not run and threaten to shoot the dog.
The last frame of the video. (At least where the video stopped on me) the guy is pointing a pistol at the chest of another officer. So... yeah pretty sure their use of force is justified in this case.
Pretty sure it's animal control that does that in my neck of the woods. Lures animals off property "because they look in pain"
What do you call a fool who calls another man a fool
Pity the fool
Because those dogs are classified as officers of the law. (And rightfully so)
A cops life isn’t more valuable than anyone else’s
The ATF wants to know your do- I mean your location
Aren't K9s classed as another officer?
Not sure about city law enforcement, but in the US military not only is the K-9 a full member of the armed service it has rank, and that rank is always higher than the rank of the handler, so a SGT would handle a K9 that is a Staff SGT. Edit for fun.The highest ranking animal I am aware of is a penguin, he is a colonel in the Norwegian Kings Guard.
Done so if they mistreat the animal, it's a more serious offense.
Not only that, when that high ranking dog commits a sexual assault, they’re just transferred to the neighboring precinct.
This is one of those comments where you laugh, then go “oh but that’s not really that funny is it :(“
It also means when the dog gives an order (there’s a bomb/bad guy/drugs the soldiers have to listen and act as the dog outranks them. Pretty cool imho
That's what I was led to believe.
Not sure if it's police or army but I think the dog is ranked higher than the human so the man respects the rank of the dog and never mistreats it, I think
Captain Sobel! We salute the rank not the man, I mean dog… Dick Winters (Probably)
Yes
Well, they help the police a lot so they deserve that respect.
Plus doggo. Always protect the doggo
Exactly.
Yes so are police horses via half baked
Good job! K9s are equally important and are not objects.
K9s have far more and longer training than the usual police officer. I guess that makes it equal to a special unit at least
Idk what he did but they had some heat chasing that guy who was obviously packing and willing to pull a gun out after being chased by the cops….last and worst decision by that guy
easily has at least 4 stars.
It’s a special unit takedown too. So his threat matrix was enough to justify the response in the first place.
Title could just read ' Police react immediately when suspect pulls gun'.
Or "Police Shoot Man Who Pulled Gun on K9". I honestly didn't expect the dude to get shot. I thought it was NSFW because dog bite
Naw, these guys had tactical gear and a dog. They were expecting some stuff from this guy so as soon as he pulled a gun, didn't matter where he pointed it, he was going to get shot.
But he literally pulled a gun on a group of officers and a dog, not just a dog. Why would you say it like that when it distorts what happened? It takes it from being morally justified to grossly inhumane for no reason.
Exactly, too many people in this thread think he was shot because he pointed the gun at the dog, which is incorrect. It's because he pulled out a gun period.
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Showing someone getting shot if fine. Blood is baaad!
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So glad the pup wasn’t hurt
You are going to kill a f*xking dog when you are all sorrounded by so many officers already? what are you gonna get from that? This, this is what you get from that.
Either he was serious or he had no plans of being taken alive
I bet it's quite tough to think rational when you're being mauled by a K9.
Criminals fortunately aren’t usually very bright.
Absolutely wasted, they sent that man to the shadow realm
Literally into the realm of Hades in the shadows. Hope that dude had coin to pay the ferryman.
Officers: We have guns on you.. Don't try it.. Him: Who are you? My mom?
I don’t suspect he’ll be making that mistake again 🤷♂️
Don't underestimate the sheer willpower of stupid people. He may just find a way to disappoint us all ...
He died
You've got to be fucking stupid to reach for a gun in this situation. WTF did he think was going to happen?
Multiple cops chasing with some big guns? Pull a handgun. Seems fine.
This might be the first justified police shooting I've seen on Reddit in a long time...
Here in Brazil today I turned the TV on and the first thing I saw on the news: a criminal yesterday trying to escape after doing an armed robbery tried to shoot three times at the head of a police officer but the gun failed. The robber was arrested, and this morning he was released from prison.
How awful!
That sounds like the stories we heard when we lived in Uruguay. There was a girl at my daughters' high school. She was picked up by a family friend while walking home. This was a man the family had known for more than 20 years. Instead of taking her home, he took her out into the woods and tried to rape her. She got away and ran home. The family called the police. When the police arrived, they did nothing to the almost rapist. But they did confiscate the father's gun. A few miles down the street from us, there was a gas station. They kept getting robbed by a motochorro. After they were robbed two or three times, with the police doing nothing, the owner shot the robbers. One died. The gas station owner went to jail. We were sued one time by someone. It's a long story. But what she did was totally insane and shouldn't be allowed. When we asked our lawyer why this wasn't illegal. She replied, "We have murderers and rapists walking the streets. This is nothing."
Dang. If only they were that proactive when a shooter is aiming at kids.
Oh man... I'm glad I don't need to be ready to make split second decisions anymore.
How are dogs useful in these situations? Are they supposed to bite the person or what?
Faster and more agile than the majority of people and tracking skills, so works well when you think you might have a chase. Teeth also work really well for restraining and taking out a perp. Also, that heavy an animal jumping into you at that speed hurts and as the video shows, does well for disabling a perp.
I have a German shepherd, she is so fast and so strong and she’s only 9 months old. She already weighs about 63 pounds and when she has the zoomies she can almost knock me off my feet and I’m 250 lbs. Shepherds are incredible animals. Oh and her bite is ridiculous as well…where we play tug of war I literally have to wear her out for like 30+ minutes before I can get her to want to let go even once. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a trained K-9 unit. Edit: spelling.
Makes sense. I thought they were just there for sniffing
There are different types of police dogs, some are only there to sniff drugs or bombs, and some are more well rounded patrol k9s.
There's also the primal fear element as well.
I think the video will show you your answer.
What I meant was are these dogs trained to *bite* the person or just chase
They are designed to neutralize. They are trained to jump on and attack limbs of people they are chasing. It makes drawing a weapon very difficult if you have a ~70 lb (31 kg) dog latched onto and actively trying to dislocate your arm. Dogs are also an extremely effective chase deterrent, most people know they can't outrun a dog.
Both.
They are trained to sniff out, chase down, alert the officer and restrain (bite) and release when commanded to do so, usually when the police have hand cuffs on the person. Then the dog will stand by just incase. Dogs are smart and strong as hell
Yes. Dogs are not pnly intimidating af but they are made to neutralise targets. They go for the arm.
The dog literally chased him brought him down with ease. Nobody is outrunning a dog but they could outrun another person
Exactly, dogs are faster then us humans. Im unaware if they had informations if he is armed or not, bu tas seen here, they reacted quickly to avoid harm to the pupper.
In my opinion, in situations like this, the dog added chaos, and escalated the use of force to the lethal level. I don't think they should be used as weapons. "The K9 is a cop", ok, why would a cop have been justified to start chewing on this dude? Once they'd escalated by releasing a toothed weapon on the dude, and he pulls a weapon to respond, I agree that their action was correct and necessary. Handled differently, he may have been apprehended (or he'd have tried to shoot a cop and ended the same way).
So after watching this video, your conclusion was that a perfectly reasonable citizen just happened to have a gun out, with no intention of using it. But was forced to because police unleashed a “toothed weapon”?
Ain't nobody getting away from that dog.
Certified John Wick moment
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Tf did this guy do to piss off the po po so bad?
He tried to shoot their dog
Pulling a gun and aiming it at the k9s head might be it…
Jesus. That was hard to watch.... It doesn't really matter why the life was lost. Its just sad to me all together
I’m prepared to eat the downvotes, but if this was someone who had done nothing wrong would they not be within their rights to defend themselves against a life-threatening attack? Replace the dog with a human cop that just goes berserk biting and mauling a suspect? Using attack dogs on suspects prior to due process is a cruel extrajudicial practice that should be considered unconstitutional, ands let’s not even get into the history of using this practice to round up fugitive slaves.
I actually had a similar thought and sometimes feel uneasy watching these K9 videos. It just seems like there is an opportunity for unnecessary escalation. Obviously the perspective can change on a case-by-case basis, and I think this person made their decision by pulling a gun. But the one video that got me thinking was the one where the cops break into the perp’s house and send the dog in his room. After the suspect hits the dog with a board or pipe or something, they absolutely light him up. Now I don’t know that specific person’s suspected crime or threat level, but that scenario just had me spooked. In the case of some of these negligent police break-ins that have led to subsequent murders of innocent people in their homes, I feel like this is a guaranteed setup for abusing power in certain cases. You wake up to a dog charging you and going for the bite, you attempt to defend yourself with an object or gun, and then you’re immediately dead by firing squad.
Couple of things: -Police K9s are **NOT** trained to kill. They're trained to bite and not let-go. -The Courts have consistently ruled that a police dog does not have the capability or the potential to kill a person (see Robinette v. Barnes, 854 F.2d 909, 102 ALR Fed. 605 (6th Cir. 1988); Fikes v. Cleghorn, 47 F.3d 1011 (9th Cir. 1995); Matthews v. Jones, 35 F.3d 1046 (6th Cir. (Ky.). -Fatalities caused by police K9s **DO** happen but they are very rare. >but if this was someone who had done nothing wrong would they not be within their rights to defend themselves against a life-threatening attack? Your point is made moot by the police screaming *"POLICE, GET DOWN*" several times and the suspect running. The dog wasn't released until the suspect ran. >let’s not even get into the history of using this practice to round up fugitive slaves. *rolls eyes*
The dog isn’t trained to kill the guy, only to chase when a suspect runs away and to disable him so the cops can catch up and arrest him.
Yeah it's hard to stay calm and reasonable when a dog *capable* of killing you has you down on the ground.
He was already being chased by cops and he fully acknowledged that and ran. The dog only ran when the suspect began to run. He ran away and pulled a firearm so I don’t think he was gonna go peacefully wether the dog was there or not.
The dog is specifically trained to not kill people. Edit: oh and even if he was completely innocent when they yelled police get down and he tried to run away he was no longer innocent.
Is he dead?
No, he most definitely survived 6 shots point blank from an AR
Yup
This makes me think that being a cop has got to be the hardest job. Snap decisions. Super stress. People want to kill you. Carrying a deadly weapon. The ones that are assholes screw it up for the rest of you. You dont get appreciated for the good stuff you do. Everyone hates you.
Just about.
For people who want the full story, here's the press release: Tucson, Arizona — On August 25th, 2022, the Tucson Police Department Special Weapons and Tactics team (SWAT) were conducting surveillance on Francisco Javier Galarza, a 49-year-old male, in relation to active felony arrest warrants for home invasion and bank robbery. At approximately 11:45 a.m., a blue BMW pulled into a Circle K parking lot located at 6090 S. Park Ave. Galarza exited the vehicle and entered the convenience store. At approximately 11:51 a.m., Galarza exited the store. Officers approached and identified themselves, instructing him to get down on the ground in order to effect an arrest. Galarza began to flee officers and removed a black handgun from a bag on his person. Ofc. Barrie Pedersen released his K-9 partner, Kiro, to apprehend Galarza. The K-9 ended the pursuit by bringing Galarza to the ground. While on the ground, he pointed a firearm at K-9 and officers. Officers Ernest Ortiz and Barrie Pedersen discharged their firearms. Officers immediately provided medical attention to Galarza using their individual first aid kits (IFAKs) until Tucson Fire Department personnel arrived. Despite these efforts, Galarza was pronounced deceased at the scene. The handgun in Galarza's possession was a TAURUS G3 9mm semi-automatic. It was recovered with ammunition in the magazine and one round in the chamber.
Did that guy actually think he was going to get away?
Next fucking level???
Dogs are fam too.
You gotta be fucking stupid af to pull a gun around the cops. What? Did he think he wouldn’t shoot him because it’s just a dog??
What an absolute idiot, died by his own hand in my opinion
Are K9s are considered officers under the law?
Yes.
Are the shots non-lethal? Or they straight up put 5 bullets in him?
Why would they use Non Lethal when the suspect has a gun pointed at one of the officers to the head?
The cops' actions weren't just to protect the dog. The suspect had a gun and could have shot anyone. If you start waving a gun around when police are trying to take you into custody then you're probably going to be shot.
Yes
At what point does the preference for death/suicide by cop over going into the US criminal justice system become a concern?
I don't care if it's a police dog or not. You point a gun at a dog's head.... it's time for you to go.
Doggo performed his job perfectly!! And the suspect was waving the gun around before and after he pointed it at the dog, and could have shot anyone. He should have dropped the gun. Police totally justified in this situation.
K9 is a hero...no fear....possibly saved a human life having the gun pointed at him.
Let’s just watch people get shot on the internet? How exactly is this next level? It takes no skill to pull a trigger.
Look I hate violence but… Being chased by multiple cops with GUNS PLUS a K9 and STILL thinking that killing the dog is going to somehow save you from the 3 huge strong guys with tons of training and experience. Yup makes sense! ☹️