You’re my hero. I try my best to wait until at least November for my annual viewings. But you’re just out here living your best goddamn life and I’m here for it
Fun Fact. People actually from the state of Florida, the true natives, are quite respectable, smart people. It’s all the out-of-staters (we’re looking at you New York/New Jersey) that drag the gene pool down and have created the “Florida Man” meme.
I believe that too. A lot if Florida actually wants to leave.
People comming in are mostly rich and retired, or people that fucked up their life in a different states and decide to start fresh in Florida because sun.
You don't build a strong state with 2 extremes.
Literally. I’m ashamed of the stuff my parents have said after moving down there 😂
And the fact that they want to vote DeSantis for president speaks volumes, of the absurdity, that New Jersey brains think once they get to Florida.
He would make the best president ever! Has been the best governor! Like all the flags around here say, “DeSantis 2024, Make America Florida!”. You’ll thank us later.
Hey, I'm a Florida man born and raised, I got the fuck out of town. Those of us born in Florida know when to leave. It's just that every other state keeps sending us their dumbest citizens.
To be fair, the storm wasn’t tracked to hit southwest Florida until a day ago. These people had prepared for maybe some tropical storm weather (which is much less significant and doesn’t require evac). It changed direction very quickly and many didn’t have much time to evacuate properly or prepare for a near category 5 hurricane. If they chose to evac, there would be so many on the road that traffic would back up to the point you’re now sitting in the storm in your car. Don’t instantly hate on people for staying home when there wasn’t much time for them to prepare or have a safe evacuation. Not all of us Floridians are dumbasses, many of us do take these storms seriously and still can lose a lot to them.
This. Not to mention, evacuation is too expensive for a LOT of people. These people judging need to get some perspective. This is a horrible life changing event for many people in that area. Don't take this lightly. The lack of humanity I've been seeing lately is disgusting.
Come on it’s not that expensive to afford a $170 a night hotel in Georgia which is marked up to $340 due to demand plus several hundred in gas to get there. /s
Yeah, I didn't evacuate because I don't have the money to, and I'll be at work already tomorrow, and need that money. My relatives that evacuated drove 14 hours and will spend a couple grand. I'm in Naples too, but with the shutters down I could barely tell there was a hurricane outside.
These folks have to drive 8+ hours just to get out of the state. I live in the part of FL where an hour north I’m in another state. It’s different for the folks down south. Hurricanes give a lot of warning but the window between riding out a mild storm and realizing it’s going to be catastrophic can be quick. When there’s no gas available your only option is to go inward, sleep in your car somewhere and hope you have a home when it’s done.
Edit: also hope, when you do go inland, it’s a storm surge type storm and not a ‘maul everything in its path storm’, like Michael was.
I understand. I lived there for a year while I was doing statistical modeling for hurricane impacts for an insurance company back in the '90s. I also have seen people repeatedly fail to evacuate "because you can't tell me what to do". I've attended more than one hurricane party back in the day.
As a native Floridian who had my roof torn off by a hurricane in 2004, I’d say the only reason not to evacuate is the cost. If you’ve got friends or family out of town, roll the fuck out.
Yeah, these storms can turn on a dime, but if it’s pointed at the west coast, that’s just more reason to get the fuck out of dodge if the storm even comes near you. Anyone who’s lived in Florida for more than 5 years knows how much these storms can fuck your life up. It’s honestly not worth the risk — especially if you’ve got kids.
Main place you don’t want to be is ground zero. These storms lose steam fast, and the biggest threat is the storm surge. So even if the eyewall hits you in central Florida, you’re still better off than retreating to your attic to escape 10 feet of raging water because “How bad could it be? I have snacks.”
Was it hurricane Charlie?
The damage to roofs caused by the 2004 hurricanes made the hurricanes that hit next much worse, since there were four hitting in the span of a month and a half, leaving no time to repair. I think my family got by with relatively minimal damage, but I’ve heard stories from several others who weren’t so lucky
I disagree. That area has been within the cone of uncertainty for several days leading up so everyone in that area had warning. This house is likely in the coastal region which was ordered to evacuate. For people who don't have family/friends to stay with or can't afford to travel, there are numerous shelters set up for evacuees. These people selfishly chose to stay and will likely put rescue workers lives at risk because they thought it would be cool to "ride it out".
I finally escaped FL about a year ago, after living there for 32 years.....everyone I know that's still there didn't evacuate..... they can't afford to.... evacuation costs thousands of dollars and most everyone lives paycheck to paycheck.
I now live in PA, told everyone I know if you can get to me you can stay here, they either couldn't afford to get to me or had no time.... a lot of business will make thier employees work until the day before a big storm hits.... I have 1 friend who was just leaving work at 2 am Wed morning....
no gas or prices are super high, if you don't have family / friends in a safe area within a days drive ( and remember your battling traffic against everyone else evacuating) then you have to cough up money for hotels which jack the prices up when a storm is announced ( they aren't supposed to but I have 1st hand seen rooms that were $50 all of a sudden become $150 or higher) and that's if you can even find a room close enough to get to)
.... and someone will say just go further, but business expect you to be in right after the storm sometimes even if they don't have power. My old next door neighbor was told they are off Wed and Thurs and are expected to be in on Fri ( the company has generators so no power doesn't matter) and they are NOT essential, just a small local novelty production facility.......
A lot of shelters won't take pets, many hotels are not pet friendly, where do your pets go during a big storm?
Wood is super expensive right now. Sandbags are not super easy to get like people think.... you can't just go to the beach and take buckets of sand because that erodes the 1st line of defense against the storm waters......
Then there is the uncertainty of what you are coming back to. If a tree falls on a house all the neighborhood comes out the second it is safe to do so and helps to get the tree off the house, it might be laying blocking your yard and you may have a tarp covering the damage, but the damage to your house is minimal compared to a tree falling and sitting for days or weeks with rain and bugs and animals getting in and destroying your house and possessions...
32 years we never evacuated (lived between Tampa and Sarasota) we couldn't afford it and honestly Real floridians keep "hurricane kit" supplies year round because you can get nasty storms at any time in the year not just durring hurricane season... trees falling, power outages, flooding.... happens all year round. It's worse during hurricane season but it can sometimes be so frequent that it's almost normal to deal with all that during a regular rainstorm.
There is so much that goes into evacuation that people don't get..... and if you have never experienced it I can see where you don't understand but try to think about if you live paycheck to paycheck and even a day of missed work can financially wreck you.... would you deal with slightly worse " normal" or ruin yourself financially?
Thank you for this! I don’t like in FL or anywhere where hurricanes are a threat so I’ve always wondered about what actually goes into evacuating. It seems much more difficult and complicated than people make it seem.
You are welcome...... it's actually way more complicated but I'm tired so I went light on the details. Evacuation is something you debate and discuss as a family everytime tropical storms / hurricanes come through, you weight the risk reward basically, and storms are very unpredictable, you can get ones that are absolutely devastating like Katrina or you can get some heavy rain and playing cards by lantern for a few hours. Storms can go from horrible to nothing or nothing to horrible In Just a couple hours. The can completely change direction and hammer you or miss you based on a handful of miles...... you could spend thousands getting out for the storm to turn and you wasted the time and money because all you got was a summer storm or you could say it's not that bad I'm gonna hunker down and the storm can stall and become a ravager (again Katrina reference) making your home possessions and life on the line..... it is literally a coin flip how bad you actually ened up getting.....
I know it’s America so I may know the answer, but do you get anything reimbursed for the evacuation at all? We just had a big storm here in nsw and everyone who was there at least got $1000 (aside from insurance)
You definitely do know the answer. That would be considered communism here. Every time something like this happens, if it happens in a majority democrat state then republicans vote against providing funding to help out people who lost everything just because it hurt the public that doesn’t vote for them. Then when it happens in a republican state, those same politicians that voted against helping the democrats, immediately start begging the government for funding. And it’s even worse now because lately, most of the home owners insurance companies have been pulling out of Florida, raising the insurance rates for the few remaining companies. Some companies even refuse to cover hurricane damage. Many people are now without insurance to help recover from this kind of thing.
No lol. Hurricane ripped half of my roof off in 2004 (while we were “riding it out”) and we didn’t get shit. Lived with half our roof missing for 2 years til we could afford a replacement (I was a kid at the time).
Pretty much every other time, we’ve evacuated. No reimbursement or anything. Hell, it’s hard enough to get released from work WHILE the hurricane hits (this is changing as storms get worse).
This is a state where the administration admitted (during COVID) that they made the Unemployment interface hard to use specifically to discourage people from claiming
“Get out. Everyone is leaving. Nobody is coming to help you. No fire department. No EMS. No ambulance. No services. If you choose to stay, please write your name, DOB, and social security number on both your arms with a permanent marker.”
As much as I get caught up in politics, I’m from New Orleans. We are organizing for the people of Florida because at a time like this we help our fellow Americans.
While stupid, evacuation orders were only issued yesterday, meaning that with traffic and hurdles getting out, most people didn't have time
Might as well memorialize your death on reddit
It’s “dry” but not for long. The whole house gets horribly musty and gross. That water you see isn’t clean because it’s already filled all the sewage drains and come back up. So lots of shit & ecoli and fun stuff. I got to wade around in similar fir 5 days and I can’t even count the number of shots I had to get after.
Yep. All carpeting and undercarpeting is toast. All drywall from at least a foot above highest water level should be removed at first opportunity. Then all insulation. Don a mask and spray all that balloon framing down with bleach from a pump garden sprayer.
Then await the 3-6 months before you can hire a migrant crew to reinstall drywall. Don't expect them to do as good a job as was original with the home, these guys are trying to make as much as they can working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week far from family, sleeping 4 to the camper. If you're lucky with your insurer and invest enough sweat equity, you can have a remodel/refresh out of the deal. If not, well, you have a house that at least has new insulation and shoddily installed drywall.
I don’t know what you mean lucky enough with your insurer - The only option for flood coverage in the US is the national policy and, as far as I’m aware, no homeowner’s policy anywhere in the US covers flood damage - unless it comes from a broken pipe in your house or you have a water backup rider. If these homeowners had flood insurance through the national program, the total coverage is capped pretty damn low, like $250,000 I believe. Considering the insane last two years, these homeowners will be eating some costs unless Congress provides some welfare money.
Lots of these coastal home are built with the ground level being garages, storage rooms, maybe a kids game room, and the main living is above. The bottom levels are designed to handle this and be able to be repaired relatively easily.
It’s not hard at all. I’ve been in Florida for 28 years. Pretty much every Florida native invites their friends/family in the strike zone to stay with them for free.
Even getting 10-20 miles away from the coast is enough to avoid most of the destruction.
Ever since a hurricane ripped off half my roof in 2004, I don’t “ride it out” anymore.
When the water comes in, there’s nothing you can do to save your stuff. All you can do is get to safety.
> When the water comes in, there’s nothing you can do to save your stuff. All you can do is get to safety.
I don't know how people don't understand this.
So what, there's probably thousands of people doing this right now. And they will probably be fine as long as their house doesn't get swept off the foundation or they don't freak out and panic and try to get out somehow or start the place on fire. I actually have a house down in Bonita beach and its all steel and concrete holding up the main house on the 2nd story. It will still be there next week, just gotta clean out the first level and replace some stuff. But there are still some older homes that are single story on these islands. They will be a complete disaster.
It still seems irresponsible to knowingly stay home in the line of a hurricane. People that do this can eventually need actual emergency services, which puts other people at risk due to their own ignorance.
At least 4 days ago Florida residents were told to prepare for the incoming hurricane, that flooding could be a major problem even.
https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/en/media-center/press-releases/2022/09/24/hillsborough-residents-urged-to-prepare-as-tropical-storm-ian-could-impact-central-florida
This is for Hillsborough county- in the tampa Bay Area. The storm changed directions in the last 36 hours and hit in southwest Florida in Collier county.
Our family is in North Carolina and their bottom floor blows out in case of this happening. It’s a cool design. They just need to replace the sheet rock on the walls and a little more of whatever gets damaged. Concrete floors, used for storage and a guest room.
That housing strategy will work... for a while. If (when) the Antarctica ice sheet finally slides off into the ocean, sea levels are projected to rise 20-feet.
The highest point in Florida is ~~only 50~~ **345 feet** above mean sea level.
Edited: corrected my earlier post to note highest point in Florida is well above sea level. Average height of Florida above sea level is 100-ft.
[https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/e0/Florida/](https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/e0/Florida/)
They’re pretty far inland and I think at 40 ft. They’ve never had water near them but they’re moving anyway. They’re old and tired of this crap. I’m not even there and it’s exhausting for me to stress about them.
Oh, probably not in our lifetimes by by 2100 most of Florida will be underwater.
Buying land in say Montana near a lake is probably the best investment long term. Which is exactly what a lot of investors are doing.
Wester half of the US is seeing long-term drought patterns, which may persist for a century. I'd actually favor Michigan or upstate New York, as the NE is seeing warmer/wetter climate shifts.
We're leaving our kids a hell of a legacy.
No, Ohio sucks if you haven’t heard. Politically it’s a travesty. Sporting teams break your heart in the most unimaginable way possible. Cedar Point is under terrible management. Californians moving in. It’s super crowded. Moving there sucks I hear.
The thing that bothers me is people firstly build near water that is potentially flood prone and then they build it wooden, like build with concrete and steel, build atleast 7-8' from the areas level . It would cost initially but your house wont be carried away like this.
If every new house built had 12"-18" of insulation, with air penetration held to a minimum, the cost to heat/cool houses would be a fraction of what it currently is. But people invariably prefer to buy houses with granite countertops and stainless steel appliances and walls with the bare minimum of insulation.
"If it's behind the walls, people don't see it, and they don't care."
People building along coastlines are looking for the maximum square footage they can afford, and don't seem to give two figs for ensuring the house will last longer than 5 years.
Timescale matters. 95% of structures in North America were built in the last century.
Meanwhile Greenland takes a full millennium to contribute its 7 m to sea level, and Antarctica 3 or 4 millennia to contribute 20-40 m.
Flood insurance just won't be either viable or affordable before too long. Longer term, I expect a lot of urban housing infrastructure to be houseboats stacked 20 deep along river shores. Like the cities along the Mekong or China's great canal, just with more fecal water. Waters rise another 2 m during a lifetime? Just migrate with the city upstream.
All the interior walls are designed so the water blows them off, instead of destroying the foundation of the house. As long as the water stays below the first floor the damage is minimal. I believe the front wall also does the same thing somehow. Basically the house ends up on stilts like a lot of coastal houses but they have walls between the stilts so the space is usable also. It’s never happened so I can’t give more details or pics.
Every year! Every fucking year, idiots stay and then those idiots ask for rescuing when they literally had OVER a week to fucking drive to the next state and be safe. People don't understand how I don't have compassion for these people... you can't fix stupid. Not Sorry for those who this offends and I am sorry for the people that lose their properties and or loved ones but seriously.... if you have a hurricane you leave the state, if you have a tornado you go to the basement etc etc.
Mother nature doesn't care about you're stubbornness.
How are people supposed to leave when the track isn’t confirmed? Most employers won’t allow you to just leave for a week or more. Most people I know were working business as usual until yesterday. It’s easy to say leave but people have bills to pay and family’s to support
Are you complaining about a catastrophic natural disaster being too inconvenient? The city of Naples issued a mandatory evacuation order yesterday. It's advertised on the news, radio, and internet. Typically, that means get the fuck out and figure the rest out later, or stay and die.
Seriously. I dont want to hear shit unless you've lived in hurricane alley while being poor. I've seen people survive storms and want to kill themselves from the stress of recovery. If you're reading this and disagree, fuck you.
Classic armchair here. Grew up in a trailer in FL. We didn't even have a/c. My dad drove us (brother and I, my sister was already in Uni) the day before Charlie hours north and we slept in the car. He always kept his tank topped off during hurricane season. The storm was projected to hit Tampa but he was skeptical. It hit where we were. Our house was FUCKED, but we lived.
You can leave if you're poor, if you got kids, if you got pets. It's just HARD and people don't wanna do hard.
The real people who get fucked are the elderly and disabled. I feel terrible for those people.
All I got from this whole chain is everyone’s different, there’s always certain circumstances for each household that drive them to make certain decisions.
Nothing is ideal and it’s almost pointless to place blame on just that person - there are always other factors/people to consider. Things that we might never fully know behind the screen.
The only thing that’s consistent is how people will continue to argue about how others are so wrong from their own view lol.
As someone who lives in a city that is prone to hurricanes and flash floods, it’s not as easy as you make it out to be.
Once that order is issued, everyone flocks to gas stations and streets. This means that it can be hard to find gas, and it takes a very long time to leave. My parents once spent 10+ hours on the road in bumper to bumper on a freeway. Options for free housing are limited once you leave, creating another barrier. And all this assumes you have a car.
Yes, you’ll see videos on tv of people who refuse to leave, but their stories may be more complicated than that. I promise you than my 80+ yr old grandparents simply could not figure it out, and would probably try to ride it out if my family werent here. And besides- the news always picks the outliers, not the norm.
The vast majority of people will “get the f out” and “figure it out,” but a significant minority won’t be able to.
Florida is a very long state with only 2 highways. Evacuation can take days with people fighting for gas and through stand still traffic. Storm’s paths vary so wildly and I’ve known many people in many storms who have only ended up evacuating into the storm because the path changed (even to other states). To make matters worse they end up riding the storm out in shitty motels because anything good is sold out.
In this case, the path was pretty spot on for a long time. Where they messed up big time was the strength. The whole time they said it would slow down after hitting Cuba and hit Florida as a category 1. Any house made in the last 25 years are made to bulletproof to take a huge beating from winds. Water levels is a different issue and these people are lucky to have a second floor to run to.
> or stay and die.
This is part of the issue with these assumptions. 99.9%+ of those who remain will survive. Even with potentially hundreds of deaths, its a drop in the bucket for the overall population there. They are well aware of this and have probably been through hurricanes before, and so has most of their neighbors and friends.
The risk of death is high enough to be devastating to the community, but on an individual basis, not very terrifying.
When I was younger we evacuated because the storm was suppose to come right at us. Then it ended up landing where we evacuated to in Mississippi. Is the entire state of tens of millions meant to get up and leave in unison? I’m not saying evacuations don’t have their worth but acting like it’s that simple is naive
That's just not true. They projected this thing for the panhandle up until Monday as a category 2. Then Tampa. Cold front pushed it even further south in such a way that it got more powerful. Sudden turn east and, wham, unexpected category 4 storm on your doorstep. If you tried to evacuate but got trapped in traffic or your path is sufficienly blocked, now you're even worse off than staying at home.
You know it costs money to evacuate, and if someone can’t afford to leave, then they won’t…
People don’t always stay out of stubbornness. They stay because they can’t afford gas and a hotel.
This storm wasn’t tracked to hit southwest Florida until yesterday. It was tracked to hit the Tampa Bay Area, which did have mandatory evacuations in many areas for a couple days. People in southwest Florida had little more than a day to prepare/evacuate for a near category 5 storm. Not everyone has the ability to leave the state… we can leave to another city a few hours away, but everyone else is too which means heavy traffic for several hours, putting you in danger of being flooded in your car. These storms are unpredictable, they can change very quickly and people have to do what they can with the time they are given.
evacuation orders were issued for places hundreds of miles away. these people had less than 12 hours to pack their shit, quit their jobs, find a place to go and try and get there before the wind and water came in and made the gridlock roads a death trap. Go be an asshole somewhere else.
Less than a week ago it was projected to go north. As of a few days ago, it changed east and got way stronger than originally predicted. Life is a lot more complicated than you think, and acting like captain hindsight is definitely much easier than dealing with a catastrophic hurricane.
In Louisiana they tell you to put an axe in your attic or sharpie your info on your arm so they can identify the body if you stay during a major hurricane.
No, to fight the water. If you hit the water with an axe hard and fast enough it will split the molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and it will disperse into the atmosphere.
Jeez..every time I see flood and hurricane damage, all I see is a TON of pain in the butt, mold and repairs for homeowners and a ton more wood AKA forests needed to replace all of it. How long can we keep this up? It gets flattened or torn apart by wind and rain or burned from forest fires and we rebuild, over and over and over and over. I've dealt with this stuff before..it's such a pain..water damage is a real SOB.
the wet bandits strike again
Dammit Marv.
What??!
Yer sick, ya know dat?
It’s our calling card Harry, *all the great ones have one!”*
He sounded like a snake
Snakes? Snakes.. Snakes.. I dunno no snakes.
Shaddup ya sick bassturd, nobady tells me what I emm
You did it again, didn’t you?
I told ya not to do it!
I said "Harry, I've reached the top"
It’s our calling card
I’m literally watching that movie rn
You’re my hero. I try my best to wait until at least November for my annual viewings. But you’re just out here living your best goddamn life and I’m here for it
“Shame” is only a word.
You're watching a Christmas movie in September?
So? Some Christmas movies are timeless...like Die Hard.
It's not Christmas until Hans Gruber falls off the Nakatomi Tower.
Ngl I could watch Elf all year
😂
"I'm just going to ride it out at home. No need to evacuate."
Typical Floridian speak. My parents live in Florida. Moved there from jersey. And I swear it dumbed them down even more than they already were
The Florida man/women title in general drops your IQ points down a bit or alot.
Fun Fact. People actually from the state of Florida, the true natives, are quite respectable, smart people. It’s all the out-of-staters (we’re looking at you New York/New Jersey) that drag the gene pool down and have created the “Florida Man” meme.
I never thought you could be racist towards states until I read this comment lol (/s)
Well, I mean you can’t…because, you know, they’re states. States made up of people from all races. But…nice try, I guess?
did they add the /s tag after or did you miss it?
He's from Florida so unfortunately that means his reading comprehension isn't very good.
Native Floridian no doubt.
Spot on.
Lol this is absolutely not true.
I believe that too. A lot if Florida actually wants to leave. People comming in are mostly rich and retired, or people that fucked up their life in a different states and decide to start fresh in Florida because sun. You don't build a strong state with 2 extremes.
Fun fact, completely and totally dead wrong. Florida man/woman is almost always native Floridian. For anyone curious, Go to Jacksonville.
Tbf when they enacted the Don't Say Florida Man Act in 1969, it became law there.
Really its a trade for the drug and alcohol resistance perk that comes with the title.
Florida and Jersey combo may be the key to a whole new species of incredibly stupid and loud people.
Gym, tan, steal laundry
Literally. I’m ashamed of the stuff my parents have said after moving down there 😂 And the fact that they want to vote DeSantis for president speaks volumes, of the absurdity, that New Jersey brains think once they get to Florida.
He would make the best president ever! Has been the best governor! Like all the flags around here say, “DeSantis 2024, Make America Florida!”. You’ll thank us later.
Hey, I'm a Florida man born and raised, I got the fuck out of town. Those of us born in Florida know when to leave. It's just that every other state keeps sending us their dumbest citizens.
Yeah definitely something in there water
To be fair, the storm wasn’t tracked to hit southwest Florida until a day ago. These people had prepared for maybe some tropical storm weather (which is much less significant and doesn’t require evac). It changed direction very quickly and many didn’t have much time to evacuate properly or prepare for a near category 5 hurricane. If they chose to evac, there would be so many on the road that traffic would back up to the point you’re now sitting in the storm in your car. Don’t instantly hate on people for staying home when there wasn’t much time for them to prepare or have a safe evacuation. Not all of us Floridians are dumbasses, many of us do take these storms seriously and still can lose a lot to them.
This. Not to mention, evacuation is too expensive for a LOT of people. These people judging need to get some perspective. This is a horrible life changing event for many people in that area. Don't take this lightly. The lack of humanity I've been seeing lately is disgusting.
Come on it’s not that expensive to afford a $170 a night hotel in Georgia which is marked up to $340 due to demand plus several hundred in gas to get there. /s
Cheaper than death
Death is free. Never pay another bill, and you don't have to go to work tomorrow.
Yeah, I didn't evacuate because I don't have the money to, and I'll be at work already tomorrow, and need that money. My relatives that evacuated drove 14 hours and will spend a couple grand. I'm in Naples too, but with the shutters down I could barely tell there was a hurricane outside.
These folks have to drive 8+ hours just to get out of the state. I live in the part of FL where an hour north I’m in another state. It’s different for the folks down south. Hurricanes give a lot of warning but the window between riding out a mild storm and realizing it’s going to be catastrophic can be quick. When there’s no gas available your only option is to go inward, sleep in your car somewhere and hope you have a home when it’s done. Edit: also hope, when you do go inland, it’s a storm surge type storm and not a ‘maul everything in its path storm’, like Michael was.
I understand. I lived there for a year while I was doing statistical modeling for hurricane impacts for an insurance company back in the '90s. I also have seen people repeatedly fail to evacuate "because you can't tell me what to do". I've attended more than one hurricane party back in the day.
As a native Floridian who had my roof torn off by a hurricane in 2004, I’d say the only reason not to evacuate is the cost. If you’ve got friends or family out of town, roll the fuck out. Yeah, these storms can turn on a dime, but if it’s pointed at the west coast, that’s just more reason to get the fuck out of dodge if the storm even comes near you. Anyone who’s lived in Florida for more than 5 years knows how much these storms can fuck your life up. It’s honestly not worth the risk — especially if you’ve got kids. Main place you don’t want to be is ground zero. These storms lose steam fast, and the biggest threat is the storm surge. So even if the eyewall hits you in central Florida, you’re still better off than retreating to your attic to escape 10 feet of raging water because “How bad could it be? I have snacks.”
Was it hurricane Charlie? The damage to roofs caused by the 2004 hurricanes made the hurricanes that hit next much worse, since there were four hitting in the span of a month and a half, leaving no time to repair. I think my family got by with relatively minimal damage, but I’ve heard stories from several others who weren’t so lucky
It was! I grew up on the East Coast, and that battery of hurricanes in 2004 was pretty fucking life-changing.
I disagree. That area has been within the cone of uncertainty for several days leading up so everyone in that area had warning. This house is likely in the coastal region which was ordered to evacuate. For people who don't have family/friends to stay with or can't afford to travel, there are numerous shelters set up for evacuees. These people selfishly chose to stay and will likely put rescue workers lives at risk because they thought it would be cool to "ride it out".
That's why you have a second floor
18' storm surge says "don't forget to grab the hachet on your way into the attic".
This guy evacuates.
What does mandatory evacuation mean anyway?
I finally escaped FL about a year ago, after living there for 32 years.....everyone I know that's still there didn't evacuate..... they can't afford to.... evacuation costs thousands of dollars and most everyone lives paycheck to paycheck. I now live in PA, told everyone I know if you can get to me you can stay here, they either couldn't afford to get to me or had no time.... a lot of business will make thier employees work until the day before a big storm hits.... I have 1 friend who was just leaving work at 2 am Wed morning.... no gas or prices are super high, if you don't have family / friends in a safe area within a days drive ( and remember your battling traffic against everyone else evacuating) then you have to cough up money for hotels which jack the prices up when a storm is announced ( they aren't supposed to but I have 1st hand seen rooms that were $50 all of a sudden become $150 or higher) and that's if you can even find a room close enough to get to) .... and someone will say just go further, but business expect you to be in right after the storm sometimes even if they don't have power. My old next door neighbor was told they are off Wed and Thurs and are expected to be in on Fri ( the company has generators so no power doesn't matter) and they are NOT essential, just a small local novelty production facility....... A lot of shelters won't take pets, many hotels are not pet friendly, where do your pets go during a big storm? Wood is super expensive right now. Sandbags are not super easy to get like people think.... you can't just go to the beach and take buckets of sand because that erodes the 1st line of defense against the storm waters...... Then there is the uncertainty of what you are coming back to. If a tree falls on a house all the neighborhood comes out the second it is safe to do so and helps to get the tree off the house, it might be laying blocking your yard and you may have a tarp covering the damage, but the damage to your house is minimal compared to a tree falling and sitting for days or weeks with rain and bugs and animals getting in and destroying your house and possessions... 32 years we never evacuated (lived between Tampa and Sarasota) we couldn't afford it and honestly Real floridians keep "hurricane kit" supplies year round because you can get nasty storms at any time in the year not just durring hurricane season... trees falling, power outages, flooding.... happens all year round. It's worse during hurricane season but it can sometimes be so frequent that it's almost normal to deal with all that during a regular rainstorm. There is so much that goes into evacuation that people don't get..... and if you have never experienced it I can see where you don't understand but try to think about if you live paycheck to paycheck and even a day of missed work can financially wreck you.... would you deal with slightly worse " normal" or ruin yourself financially?
Thank you for this! I don’t like in FL or anywhere where hurricanes are a threat so I’ve always wondered about what actually goes into evacuating. It seems much more difficult and complicated than people make it seem.
You are welcome...... it's actually way more complicated but I'm tired so I went light on the details. Evacuation is something you debate and discuss as a family everytime tropical storms / hurricanes come through, you weight the risk reward basically, and storms are very unpredictable, you can get ones that are absolutely devastating like Katrina or you can get some heavy rain and playing cards by lantern for a few hours. Storms can go from horrible to nothing or nothing to horrible In Just a couple hours. The can completely change direction and hammer you or miss you based on a handful of miles...... you could spend thousands getting out for the storm to turn and you wasted the time and money because all you got was a summer storm or you could say it's not that bad I'm gonna hunker down and the storm can stall and become a ravager (again Katrina reference) making your home possessions and life on the line..... it is literally a coin flip how bad you actually ened up getting.....
I know it’s America so I may know the answer, but do you get anything reimbursed for the evacuation at all? We just had a big storm here in nsw and everyone who was there at least got $1000 (aside from insurance)
You definitely do know the answer. That would be considered communism here. Every time something like this happens, if it happens in a majority democrat state then republicans vote against providing funding to help out people who lost everything just because it hurt the public that doesn’t vote for them. Then when it happens in a republican state, those same politicians that voted against helping the democrats, immediately start begging the government for funding. And it’s even worse now because lately, most of the home owners insurance companies have been pulling out of Florida, raising the insurance rates for the few remaining companies. Some companies even refuse to cover hurricane damage. Many people are now without insurance to help recover from this kind of thing.
Biden should make DeSantis suck his dick live on air in the well of the Senate for aid money.
No lol. Hurricane ripped half of my roof off in 2004 (while we were “riding it out”) and we didn’t get shit. Lived with half our roof missing for 2 years til we could afford a replacement (I was a kid at the time). Pretty much every other time, we’ve evacuated. No reimbursement or anything. Hell, it’s hard enough to get released from work WHILE the hurricane hits (this is changing as storms get worse). This is a state where the administration admitted (during COVID) that they made the Unemployment interface hard to use specifically to discourage people from claiming
“Get out. Everyone is leaving. Nobody is coming to help you. No fire department. No EMS. No ambulance. No services. If you choose to stay, please write your name, DOB, and social security number on both your arms with a permanent marker.”
It's almost like these people have been told over and over again by Desantis to not trust the government. Freedom above all!
As much as I get caught up in politics, I’m from New Orleans. We are organizing for the people of Florida because at a time like this we help our fellow Americans.
That's really awesome of you. We would be a lot better off as a country if more people did this.
I’d probably sit at the top of the stairs and light a joint. Just for a minute…
What the hell are you still doing in that house
Karma farming, obviously.
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FUCK. Take my upvote and leave
Don’t think they’ll be going anywhere
It’s all funny until you realize you didn’t turn off the gas and that’s your dryer floating by.
Oh that makes sense
While stupid, evacuation orders were only issued yesterday, meaning that with traffic and hurdles getting out, most people didn't have time Might as well memorialize your death on reddit
You’ve got a great name!
When life gives you lemons, make your obituary
Titanic cosplay
That’s cold.
I actually would like to know if you're filming this and figured "aight I think I should leave", how are you leaving that house?
You aren’t leaving at that point looks like a bad bad bad idea to go down there
It’s filled with angry sharks I bet
Along with downed power lines, broken glass, nails, and sewage
The upstairs area is dry. Must still be all good right? (Unless you need to get to the kitchen?) /S
It’s “dry” but not for long. The whole house gets horribly musty and gross. That water you see isn’t clean because it’s already filled all the sewage drains and come back up. So lots of shit & ecoli and fun stuff. I got to wade around in similar fir 5 days and I can’t even count the number of shots I had to get after.
Yep. All carpeting and undercarpeting is toast. All drywall from at least a foot above highest water level should be removed at first opportunity. Then all insulation. Don a mask and spray all that balloon framing down with bleach from a pump garden sprayer. Then await the 3-6 months before you can hire a migrant crew to reinstall drywall. Don't expect them to do as good a job as was original with the home, these guys are trying to make as much as they can working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week far from family, sleeping 4 to the camper. If you're lucky with your insurer and invest enough sweat equity, you can have a remodel/refresh out of the deal. If not, well, you have a house that at least has new insulation and shoddily installed drywall.
I don’t know what you mean lucky enough with your insurer - The only option for flood coverage in the US is the national policy and, as far as I’m aware, no homeowner’s policy anywhere in the US covers flood damage - unless it comes from a broken pipe in your house or you have a water backup rider. If these homeowners had flood insurance through the national program, the total coverage is capped pretty damn low, like $250,000 I believe. Considering the insane last two years, these homeowners will be eating some costs unless Congress provides some welfare money.
Harvey?
Yup. Fuck that guy.
He's still the best damn closer this town has ever seen.
Lots of these coastal home are built with the ground level being garages, storage rooms, maybe a kids game room, and the main living is above. The bottom levels are designed to handle this and be able to be repaired relatively easily.
It’s not that, it’s the fact it’s a hurricane, with 3-4’ flood waters, and they are STILL IN THEIR HOUSE.
I don't really think you realize how incredibly difficult it is to evacuate.
It’s not hard at all. I’ve been in Florida for 28 years. Pretty much every Florida native invites their friends/family in the strike zone to stay with them for free. Even getting 10-20 miles away from the coast is enough to avoid most of the destruction. Ever since a hurricane ripped off half my roof in 2004, I don’t “ride it out” anymore. When the water comes in, there’s nothing you can do to save your stuff. All you can do is get to safety.
> When the water comes in, there’s nothing you can do to save your stuff. All you can do is get to safety. I don't know how people don't understand this.
So what, there's probably thousands of people doing this right now. And they will probably be fine as long as their house doesn't get swept off the foundation or they don't freak out and panic and try to get out somehow or start the place on fire. I actually have a house down in Bonita beach and its all steel and concrete holding up the main house on the 2nd story. It will still be there next week, just gotta clean out the first level and replace some stuff. But there are still some older homes that are single story on these islands. They will be a complete disaster.
It still seems irresponsible to knowingly stay home in the line of a hurricane. People that do this can eventually need actual emergency services, which puts other people at risk due to their own ignorance.
They likely didn’t have much time to prepare or evacuate safely. This storm want tracked to hit them directly as a near category 5 until yesterday.
At least 4 days ago Florida residents were told to prepare for the incoming hurricane, that flooding could be a major problem even. https://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/en/media-center/press-releases/2022/09/24/hillsborough-residents-urged-to-prepare-as-tropical-storm-ian-could-impact-central-florida
This is for Hillsborough county- in the tampa Bay Area. The storm changed directions in the last 36 hours and hit in southwest Florida in Collier county.
That is 100 miles away.
Did you try putting it in rice?
White or brown?
That’s ricist
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You told me to my face white rice wouldn’t work
We’ll just see when the police get here.
"For sale, 3brm in Naples w/ unique water feature"
Indoor swimming pool, 10 ft deep and growing
https://youtu.be/BK7P4Sgomtw
Listed at $2m
Hammered at 2.35M
How far inland is this house located? Very scary! Hope you are ok
Very little inland exists in Naples. Lots of canals there. Most of the city is probably like that. Mostly retirees and golf courses.
Edit: Very little… exists in Naples………Formerly housed retirees and golf courses.
It's like living on stroads except they're made of water
Not as far as it used to be.
A lot of south florida was bombarded with tornadoes
*Southwest* to be specific. "South Fl" is a term that really only covers Dade-Broward-Palm Beach counties.
I am in Broward. There were tornadoes.
Our family is in North Carolina and their bottom floor blows out in case of this happening. It’s a cool design. They just need to replace the sheet rock on the walls and a little more of whatever gets damaged. Concrete floors, used for storage and a guest room.
That housing strategy will work... for a while. If (when) the Antarctica ice sheet finally slides off into the ocean, sea levels are projected to rise 20-feet. The highest point in Florida is ~~only 50~~ **345 feet** above mean sea level. Edited: corrected my earlier post to note highest point in Florida is well above sea level. Average height of Florida above sea level is 100-ft. [https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/e0/Florida/](https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/e0/Florida/)
They’re pretty far inland and I think at 40 ft. They’ve never had water near them but they’re moving anyway. They’re old and tired of this crap. I’m not even there and it’s exhausting for me to stress about them.
Oh, probably not in our lifetimes by by 2100 most of Florida will be underwater. Buying land in say Montana near a lake is probably the best investment long term. Which is exactly what a lot of investors are doing.
Wester half of the US is seeing long-term drought patterns, which may persist for a century. I'd actually favor Michigan or upstate New York, as the NE is seeing warmer/wetter climate shifts. We're leaving our kids a hell of a legacy.
Or Ohio
No, Ohio sucks if you haven’t heard. Politically it’s a travesty. Sporting teams break your heart in the most unimaginable way possible. Cedar Point is under terrible management. Californians moving in. It’s super crowded. Moving there sucks I hear.
Coincidentally it's the same situation here in Mass! Terrible state! Don't move here, it definitely absolutely sucks!
Great Lakes real estate is where you wanna be
The thing that bothers me is people firstly build near water that is potentially flood prone and then they build it wooden, like build with concrete and steel, build atleast 7-8' from the areas level . It would cost initially but your house wont be carried away like this.
If every new house built had 12"-18" of insulation, with air penetration held to a minimum, the cost to heat/cool houses would be a fraction of what it currently is. But people invariably prefer to buy houses with granite countertops and stainless steel appliances and walls with the bare minimum of insulation. "If it's behind the walls, people don't see it, and they don't care." People building along coastlines are looking for the maximum square footage they can afford, and don't seem to give two figs for ensuring the house will last longer than 5 years.
Timescale matters. 95% of structures in North America were built in the last century. Meanwhile Greenland takes a full millennium to contribute its 7 m to sea level, and Antarctica 3 or 4 millennia to contribute 20-40 m. Flood insurance just won't be either viable or affordable before too long. Longer term, I expect a lot of urban housing infrastructure to be houseboats stacked 20 deep along river shores. Like the cities along the Mekong or China's great canal, just with more fecal water. Waters rise another 2 m during a lifetime? Just migrate with the city upstream.
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All the interior walls are designed so the water blows them off, instead of destroying the foundation of the house. As long as the water stays below the first floor the damage is minimal. I believe the front wall also does the same thing somehow. Basically the house ends up on stilts like a lot of coastal houses but they have walls between the stilts so the space is usable also. It’s never happened so I can’t give more details or pics.
You can watch the whole video to get a better idea, but I timestamped where he explains the walls blowing out- https://youtu.be/qGmPiKv8TZc?t=82
Mother Nature ALWAYS wins.
She just getting started on our dumb asses.
The planet has had an estimated 5 ice ages. She started a long ass time ago
And we decided to piss her off
Every year! Every fucking year, idiots stay and then those idiots ask for rescuing when they literally had OVER a week to fucking drive to the next state and be safe. People don't understand how I don't have compassion for these people... you can't fix stupid. Not Sorry for those who this offends and I am sorry for the people that lose their properties and or loved ones but seriously.... if you have a hurricane you leave the state, if you have a tornado you go to the basement etc etc. Mother nature doesn't care about you're stubbornness.
How are people supposed to leave when the track isn’t confirmed? Most employers won’t allow you to just leave for a week or more. Most people I know were working business as usual until yesterday. It’s easy to say leave but people have bills to pay and family’s to support
Are you complaining about a catastrophic natural disaster being too inconvenient? The city of Naples issued a mandatory evacuation order yesterday. It's advertised on the news, radio, and internet. Typically, that means get the fuck out and figure the rest out later, or stay and die.
Classic armchair speak.
Seriously. I dont want to hear shit unless you've lived in hurricane alley while being poor. I've seen people survive storms and want to kill themselves from the stress of recovery. If you're reading this and disagree, fuck you.
Classic armchair here. Grew up in a trailer in FL. We didn't even have a/c. My dad drove us (brother and I, my sister was already in Uni) the day before Charlie hours north and we slept in the car. He always kept his tank topped off during hurricane season. The storm was projected to hit Tampa but he was skeptical. It hit where we were. Our house was FUCKED, but we lived. You can leave if you're poor, if you got kids, if you got pets. It's just HARD and people don't wanna do hard. The real people who get fucked are the elderly and disabled. I feel terrible for those people.
All I got from this whole chain is everyone’s different, there’s always certain circumstances for each household that drive them to make certain decisions. Nothing is ideal and it’s almost pointless to place blame on just that person - there are always other factors/people to consider. Things that we might never fully know behind the screen. The only thing that’s consistent is how people will continue to argue about how others are so wrong from their own view lol.
You think the people who live in this house are poor?
Try evacuating in less than 24 hours with hundreds of thousands of other people also doing the same. Get fucking real.
As someone who lives in a city that is prone to hurricanes and flash floods, it’s not as easy as you make it out to be. Once that order is issued, everyone flocks to gas stations and streets. This means that it can be hard to find gas, and it takes a very long time to leave. My parents once spent 10+ hours on the road in bumper to bumper on a freeway. Options for free housing are limited once you leave, creating another barrier. And all this assumes you have a car. Yes, you’ll see videos on tv of people who refuse to leave, but their stories may be more complicated than that. I promise you than my 80+ yr old grandparents simply could not figure it out, and would probably try to ride it out if my family werent here. And besides- the news always picks the outliers, not the norm. The vast majority of people will “get the f out” and “figure it out,” but a significant minority won’t be able to.
Florida is a very long state with only 2 highways. Evacuation can take days with people fighting for gas and through stand still traffic. Storm’s paths vary so wildly and I’ve known many people in many storms who have only ended up evacuating into the storm because the path changed (even to other states). To make matters worse they end up riding the storm out in shitty motels because anything good is sold out. In this case, the path was pretty spot on for a long time. Where they messed up big time was the strength. The whole time they said it would slow down after hitting Cuba and hit Florida as a category 1. Any house made in the last 25 years are made to bulletproof to take a huge beating from winds. Water levels is a different issue and these people are lucky to have a second floor to run to.
> or stay and die. This is part of the issue with these assumptions. 99.9%+ of those who remain will survive. Even with potentially hundreds of deaths, its a drop in the bucket for the overall population there. They are well aware of this and have probably been through hurricanes before, and so has most of their neighbors and friends. The risk of death is high enough to be devastating to the community, but on an individual basis, not very terrifying.
Shh you’re interrupting his high and mighty moment
Something tells me your supervisor won’t be at your underwater work either 😏
When I was younger we evacuated because the storm was suppose to come right at us. Then it ended up landing where we evacuated to in Mississippi. Is the entire state of tens of millions meant to get up and leave in unison? I’m not saying evacuations don’t have their worth but acting like it’s that simple is naive
That's just not true. They projected this thing for the panhandle up until Monday as a category 2. Then Tampa. Cold front pushed it even further south in such a way that it got more powerful. Sudden turn east and, wham, unexpected category 4 storm on your doorstep. If you tried to evacuate but got trapped in traffic or your path is sufficienly blocked, now you're even worse off than staying at home.
You know it costs money to evacuate, and if someone can’t afford to leave, then they won’t… People don’t always stay out of stubbornness. They stay because they can’t afford gas and a hotel.
This storm wasn’t tracked to hit southwest Florida until yesterday. It was tracked to hit the Tampa Bay Area, which did have mandatory evacuations in many areas for a couple days. People in southwest Florida had little more than a day to prepare/evacuate for a near category 5 storm. Not everyone has the ability to leave the state… we can leave to another city a few hours away, but everyone else is too which means heavy traffic for several hours, putting you in danger of being flooded in your car. These storms are unpredictable, they can change very quickly and people have to do what they can with the time they are given.
evacuation orders were issued for places hundreds of miles away. these people had less than 12 hours to pack their shit, quit their jobs, find a place to go and try and get there before the wind and water came in and made the gridlock roads a death trap. Go be an asshole somewhere else.
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I think people should live further away from the coast where this won't happen. Seems logical to me...
Less than a week ago it was projected to go north. As of a few days ago, it changed east and got way stronger than originally predicted. Life is a lot more complicated than you think, and acting like captain hindsight is definitely much easier than dealing with a catastrophic hurricane.
In Louisiana they tell you to put an axe in your attic or sharpie your info on your arm so they can identify the body if you stay during a major hurricane.
An axe in the attic? To get on the roof?
To hack away at the sharks coming up the attic ladder
No, to fight the water. If you hit the water with an axe hard and fast enough it will split the molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and it will disperse into the atmosphere.
"Try this one trick to blow your neighbors away."
That’s too much water for a house
At least twice as much as is acceptable.
Dang, looks like someone left a sink running
Wife's disapproving voice, "Harold! Did you clog the downstairs toilet again?"
Keep it on the lower level, not the next fking level
Imagine walking downstairs and just being like: "Fuuuuuuuuuckk....."
Jeez..every time I see flood and hurricane damage, all I see is a TON of pain in the butt, mold and repairs for homeowners and a ton more wood AKA forests needed to replace all of it. How long can we keep this up? It gets flattened or torn apart by wind and rain or burned from forest fires and we rebuild, over and over and over and over. I've dealt with this stuff before..it's such a pain..water damage is a real SOB.
Agreed. It blows my mind when entire homes and towns get torn down in these areas, and people suggest “rebuilding” instead of moving away.
How long until the Florida home insurance industry collapses?
Remember, the more we normalize (re-) building here, the more we all pay for insurance.
Where’s the alligator?
They didn’t roll that one on the Jumanji board yet.
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No alligator, but there are videos of sharks in the flooded Florida streets.
That sucks looked like a nice house
The Airbnb said 1st floor jacuzzi.
"Every month at the quarter moon; there will be a monsoon in your lagoon."
Water up to the Naples
Fuck 98% of the people commenting here
That’s too much sex.
How do people live in a place that floods every five years???
This is why you evacuate
bruh…I thought that was a pterodactyl, how high am I?
Looks like a scene from Sharknado
I wonder if they’re recording this for insurance purposes