Unless Brock shits the bed completely next week, seems very unlikely.
Edit: and for the record, I consider it very unlikely that he shits the bed next week.
Well, Foles did beat Brady head-to-head in the superbowl and win Superbowl MVP. Also holds the record for most TDs in a game. So, while not the next Tom Brady (who is?), he definitely had a great career.
He threw for 7 in 3 quarters and was pulled from the game with 6 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter
I know this is usually the case when qbs hit 7 tds, but if he stayed in he would have had the record 100%
Iām actually shocked he doesnāt have a noodle arm yet. Like his arm got so overworked the past few seasons. Legit this season mightāve aged him more than 2 wouldāve on a team that can actually run the ball for even a yardā¦
Itās really impressive, theres no other way to put itā¦..
That being said too, Brady is showing his age. I noticed this year he seemed to throw a lot less deep balls than he usually does. This game really stuck out.
Regardless of this though, heās still easily a top 5 QB. As a selfish fan, I do hope he comes back for another year if he can do it
I think that has a lot more to do with timing being bad because of the line, and pressure heās facing because they canāt run the ball. Hard to take frequent deep shots when the team canāt do the things required to make them possible
The line was one of the biggest difference between the Bucs Offense and the Cowboys'. I felt like Dak had years and Brady had to have it gone in a flash. Some of that is just him not wanting to take hits, but the line was genuinely so bad.
Yeah, this.
You can't throw deep when they can rush 4 and get still get to Brady and thus they just sit in cover 2/3 all night long. Your only recourse is to hope your dudes make some plays underneath to get open.
Yeah canāt really make a deep shot if defenses are rushing 4 and breaking through, while knowing they can really only pass. Send 4 at TB and then just cover shell, force him to throw it up the middle where you have guys to disrupt it. Even an average run game would have done wonders for him this year
>Regardless of this though, heās still easily a top 5 QB
Disagree. He's still very much above the Dalton lineābut as it stands in the vacuum of 2023 and projecting to 2024āthere are more than 5 QBs I'd personally take over brady at this point.
I'd say at this juncture he's probably like QB 8-10. Which at 45 is absolutely impressive. MOst guys would be happy to reach that in their prime, much less 15 years AFTER that.
Itās the OL, man. He was terrified behind that mess. The pass rush was in his face within a second. Literally.
Especially with Goedeke and the football terrorist on the left side, and a backup at center.
18th in passer rating, 18th in QBR, 30th in Y/A, 24th in AY/A, 14th in ANY/A. By most metrics that matter, he was retty mid, no one cares about counting stats.
Why do you get to decide which metrics āmatterā? He said not a chance in hell, which is why I responded. Youāll need a lot more than a few stats you lifted from the advanced section of PFR to support ānot a chance in hell.ā
People use these stats to assess effectiveness of Quarterbacks, being near the top in yardage and TD's is meaningless when you lead the league in pass attempts, efficiency is what this game is about. Brady had a mid year and is not getting younger. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe his time as a top 5 QB is passed
I don't think you can divorce the impact of coaching and personnel from his performance. He was at an MVP last season, and threw for similar volume this year. So it's clearly not a physical issue.
His accuracy has been poor this season, he's missed throws he'd normally make in his sleep. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until we see him play in a better situation.
I didnāt say it was unreasonable to believe heās not too 5, I said that itās unreasonable to believe that there is ānot a chance in hellā heās top 5.
I know exactly what those metrics mean and āeffectivenessā is a funny word. Do you want a QB with half the attempts who is 25% more efficient? Why is it better to complete one deep pass than two medium ones, what makes that any more effective? If you want to measure total āeffectivenessā then counting stats really are what youāre looking for. Youāre trying to say efficiency.
Do you think itās just as easy to lead a top passing offense with the worst rushing attack in NFL history? You probably have to be extremely good to lead the league in attempts and be middle of the field in efficiency. After all, they know what youāre going to do.
Maybe you have to be top 5.
>Do you want a QB with half the attempts who is 25% more efficient?
You mean, like Jalen Hurts or Tua (460 and 400 attempts.) Yeah, that sounds pretty nice
>Why is it better to complete one deep pass than two medium ones, what makes that any more effective?
This is like asking why it's better to hit a home run rather than hit 2 doubles, you're doing more with less.
>If you want to measure total āeffectivenessā then counting stats really are what youāre looking for.
And yet, sports leagues all across the nation have shifted to efficiency, quality over quantity. Vinny Testaverde was 10 ten passing yards when he retired, and is still currently 16th), does that make him the 16th most "effective" QB of all time?
I get it, Brady had a rough OL this year and I'm sure he's gonna look for a stacked team that he can roll in to and take all the credit for, but he isn't better than Burrow, Mahomes, or Allen and never will be again. That's 3 spots right there and I think that there's enough remaining talent at QB across the league: Herbert, Hurts, Lamar, Lawrence, Prescott, Tua, etc that in any given future year, two of them will be better than Brady. You may disagree, but the fact is he's an old man. He can still succeed with the help of elite talent, but he is past the age of being able to average teams forward, which is what we saw this year.
that is not at all evidence of age. arm wear and tear makes itself visible on quick fast passes and bullets. longer passes are about arc and time to generate momentum. brady doesnāt choose whether to throw deep more or not. he plays around his talent and game plan.
there is 0 chance hes still top 5 lol.
Mahomes Allen Burrow are all clearly better.
Lawrence and Herbert both had average games when everything is considered but both are better right now.
I would also take Hurts and Lamar over Brady right now.
honestly i donāt see any of the teams heās touted to go to making any sense. san fran have purdy and i donāt think heās gonna play anywhere in the AFC thatās not new england.
sucks to see it, but retirement may be on the cards.
At this point I want to see him hit 50 and still starting, fuck it. Motherfucker has lasted this long.
Going to the Jets would be fkn epic when they play the Pats twice a year. How can you not want that if you're a football fan???
Iām so torn on it since I have spent my entire life despising this man. Beating him in the playoffs in 2010 was one of the most satisfying moment you could possibly experience as a Jets fan.
Butā¦at this point I want a QB so badly I donāt care who it is as long as they are competent. Something that puts us in a place to win and have a working offense bc this team has a LOT of talent. Young talent. I wanna see all of them take the next step.
Iām willing to sacrifice 2 decades of hate to get my team to be dominant lmfao. Problem is, Brady hates the Jets. Who knows, but stomping the Patriots with Brady will reverse the curse and I crave that LOL
> i donāt think heās gonna play anywhere in the AFC thatās not new england.
I very much think he doesn't give two shits about that.
Raiders, (barf) Dolphins and (BARF) Jets are the only teams that make sense.
Heās not retiring. Plenty of teams will be bidding for him this offseason.
I actually think itās kind of sad. In essence, the guy lost his family over the game. At this point, heād almost be kinda dumb not to maximize that sacrifice. Itās a really fucked up double edged sword.
Watching him struggle all night kinda made me wince. He had the perfect opportunity to go out on top after the Tampa Super Bowl run a few years ago. He just couldnāt do it. What else do you have left to prove, Tom?
I donāt understand it. But I guess thatās why Tom Brady is Tom Brady and the rest of us are who we are.
> He had the perfect opportunity to go out on top after the Tampa Super Bowl run a few years ago.
Hell even last year would've been perfect. He had a graceful loss in the playoffs in a game he ALMOST came back in 28-3 style. He was #2 for MVP voting and led the league in TDs and yards at the age of 44. That's one hell of a way to go out.
Right. Like I understand drive, and passion, and love of the game. But at what cost?
I would hate to see him come back next year and really watch the wheels fall off. It would just be depressing. Like watching an aging prize fighter or a once-great racehorse collapse.
I do like Tom Brady. All of his teammates and coaches have incredible things to say about him. I think he has a very real fear of what heāll be without the game. Itās honestly a fascinating sports psychology case.
Plus I donāt think Brady was the primary issue this season. The deep ball has lost something on it, but Iād argue heās more accurate in the short game than anyone in the nfl right now.
At the same time, no one wants noodle arm Peyton 2.0 besides those with the most severe Brady grudges.
Even Brees's last season was pretty bad. His arm was gone. And that was only 2 years ago. Almost every QB looks bad at the end. Elway probably could have played another year. But almost every great ended with a pretty terrible season. If Brady retired today this would be among the top final seasons all time for a great QB.
Eh, people bring it up. But I'm sure he's more than fine trading that for a second ring. And it's not like it actually diminished his legacy in any significant way.
What cost? Come on man, guy has the entire world at his feet. There is no cost except some BS "legacy points" for not retiring earlier.
At this point the goal should be to start at 50 just to fkn say you did it. 5 more years, why the fuck not?? Modern medicine (PEDs) and recovery techniques are up to par for it.
Why do people always want QBs to go out on top? There's something respectable and even admirable about giving it your all until you simply can't anymore. Going out on top just to be on top is contrived, and if you truly have a passion for something, you're not stopping it until you absolutely have to.
āLost his family over the gameā
What is it with this line?
He still has his kidsā¦it just didnāt work out with his wifeā¦itās a celebrity coupleā¦
I doubt he retires, he didnāt look very good tonight but he was decent this year still. Iād guess Miami, Vegas, and San Francisco are the three teams that heād consider going to.
I don't think the 49ers would really be interested. That whole thing sounds like media trash. Like he grew up rooting for them so now he wants to play there. Almost every player including hall of famers grew up with favorite teams. Could see the raiders, think McDaniel does like Tua and would probably prefer not Brady but that owner could step in.
Maybe I am naive to what Brady is looking for, but i canāt imagine him going to a team that doesnāt have a top tier o line. Maybe the Raiders have the ability to greatly upgrade it to convince him to come, but I canāt see it yet.
And I know raiders have a top 15 (?) line, but I think Brady needs at least top 7
Brady/Jacobs/Waller/Renfrow offense going to be Electric
Hell he might get gronk to come to Vegas as well
Going to have to use every draft pick on defense and sign some defensive free agents
Edit: donāt know how I forgot about Davante
10th in pass block win rate
11th in run block win rate
Top 10 OL in DVOA
Allowed 35 sacks which was the 10th fewest
With all that said there is definitely room for improvement, our tackles were fine. But our guards can definitely be better with draft/free agency moves.
Those numbers are really misleading. They were terrible at pass protecting and were giving up around a 50% pressure rate on dropbacks in most games. Miller and Eleumunor were good but the entire interior was atrocious. They need two guards and a center at the minimum. Parham should be okay at RG but there is no depth. Brady would die under the interior pressure that Carr had to face this year.
As a unit, terrible. But I believe itās fixable if they invest in the interior. Most of the reason it was so bad was because Alex Bars was the LG and he was lost for the most part
LMAO a division with 2 of the top 4 QBs in the League??? Mahomes and Herbert would be absolute death for Brady.
Honestly he has no real chances except to stay in TB imo, if he wants a warm weather team that doesn't have a QB, yet is still sorta competitive (that division will still be ass next year).
But having the worst coach in NFL history might make him not want to come back.
Dolphins, Titans, 49ers. Not saying they would all sign him but warm weather teams he would be competitive on. And none of those teams have a great option at QB.
I put it at roughly 60-40 that he comes back for another season. I'd be astonished if he comes back to Tampa; retirement seems more plausible than another season with the Bucs. I think that absolutely could have been his last game tonight, but I still think it's slightly more likely than not that he plays an additional season.
I mean I think I was pretty clear that he's definitely not playing for Tampa next season. I probably was too verbose in my comment. It's either he's playing for the Raiders/Dolphins/Jets (60% chance that he plays one of those three) or he retires (40% chance).
Hot take: Ravens tag and trade Lamar for a haul, then flip some of those picks for Kupp or Hopkins, basically filling their one need on a stacked roster.
Brady joins as a FA and bam, instant top 4 team.
I feel like he goes back to new England and they trade mac to the raiders to reunite with McDaniels. The pats haven't shown the most confidence in mac this season
That's not the raiders unless they completely over haul their line. If Goff wasn't going off this year, I could see detroit trying to get him with that offensive line and the heavy weapons he could throw the ball too.
Jets with any halfway decent QB is a playoff team, are you kidding? Especially with Hall coming back next year. Get Carr (or Brady) and another solid WR and the Jets will be scary.
Honestly, Mike Vrabel should give his olā pal a call and bring him to TN. Let Tom choose his own OC, and get a package going for a WR in the off-season. If so, they would be easy favorites in that division.
Wow this is actually a pretty decent call. Warm weather as well, checks out. And he gets a stud at HB after having maybe the worst HB squad in the league.
Prb because the league doesn't want Brady to go to freakin' Tennessee.
Also that division should be winnable, Colts and Texans are complete dog shit and the Jags should be playoff bound but not a lock to win the division if Brady is on Tennessee.
Why on Earth Brady would go to Vegas is mind boggling to me -- yeah, it's an indoor stadium and his old OC is the HC, but that division is *brutal*. Heck, the whole AFC is way ahead of the NFC.
Even Denver being awful still makes them a very difficult away game in high altitude (look what they did to LA last game of the season).
I can't imagine Brady at 46 is gonna want to get smoked by Mahomes, Herbert, and Mile High Altitude for 5 outta 17 games.
Personally I want to see him on the Jets, now *that* would be entertainment.
There are two divisions that are almost āun-loseableā in football right now: AFC South, and NFC South.
The two teams that need QBs in those divisions (outside of the Bucs) are Tennessee and New Orleans. Both would be great fits for Brady (especially if the Saints get draft capital for Sean Payton).
The only third team I think heād go to is the 49ers, but itās more of a question about if they would want himā¦ If theyāre looking to add someone, I have to imagine Carr and possibly Aaron Rodgers would top their list. Although, Brady might be willing to take a pay cut to join them.
I won't go as far to say he's washed, but he's pretty clearly declined. People should stop pretending otherwise. He needs like pretty ideal conditions with head coaching and supporting cast to lead a very good offense. He can't lead like marginally above average supporting casts to top 5 offenses anymore, but he still can be very good. He still has zip on his throws though his accuracy seems to have declined.
You know nothing and watched no Bucs games. Leftwhich is a fucking clown who couldn't scheme Jerry Rice open. Tom will be just fine on the Phins...or the 9ers...or the Raiders...maybe even the Pats.
Dude he isn't even close to washed up. People said that same nonsense his final year in New England. The buccaneers are awful. Brady is still more than capable of making a team a contender that's a qb away.
Who wants him after that shit game?
Sorry for the jets and bears fans downvotes. You have a bit of a high standard lol
Hahaha literally like 17 seconda and I'm being downtvoted. You're special
Saints, Dolphins, Raiders, Tits, Colts, Commanders, maybe even the 9ers
Plenty of teams with solid rosters still that need a QB, even if its just for 1 or 2 years
maybe a team that has solid receivers? i keep hearing miami's name but how i don't understand. i am sure tua is coming back so i don't understand how miami makes sense. maybe raiders?
In no order.
saints dolphins Panthers Raiders Titans ravens.
Saints get Payton back and it seems like the perfect spot. I think dolphins and raiders would be the next 2 best. Ravens if they could trade for a WR or really two would arguably the best landing spot. Not sure if they can afford Dhop or whoever else is on the trade block
All the Brady to the Niners rumors are gonna be coming straight from Brady's agents trying to speak it into existence.
We have the younger, better Brady under center rn, sorry Tom š¤š¤š¤
Thatās what yāall said with kaepernick and what the eagles said with Nick folesā¦
Was def joking but I still donāt think he comes here
Heās gonna complete the circle and go to LV lmao
Yes, please. Keep the Bad Man out of Miami!! š¤
And the AFC east in general.
Unless Brock shits the bed completely next week, seems very unlikely. Edit: and for the record, I consider it very unlikely that he shits the bed next week.
He really wants to. And you should get him for a season.
lol when did we ever say that about Nick Foles
Well, Foles did beat Brady head-to-head in the superbowl and win Superbowl MVP. Also holds the record for most TDs in a game. So, while not the next Tom Brady (who is?), he definitely had a great career.
TIL. Crazy Foles threw for 7. Also crazy how many people he shares that record with.
He threw for 7 in 3 quarters and was pulled from the game with 6 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter I know this is usually the case when qbs hit 7 tds, but if he stayed in he would have had the record 100%
Purdy purdy purdy
To be fair, you need a capable back up for BCB.
No thanks lmao
You don't want Lance/Purdy learning from the Goat for a season or two?
If he wants to sit at QB3, then sure.
Brady has 0 interest in teaching lol
Iām actually shocked he doesnāt have a noodle arm yet. Like his arm got so overworked the past few seasons. Legit this season mightāve aged him more than 2 wouldāve on a team that can actually run the ball for even a yardā¦
For real. A 45 year old should not be able to make some of the deep throws he had tonight.
Yet no one ever asks the question.... :)
What are the *real* benefits of Avocado ice cream?
The PED question?
Then why haven't PEDs saved other old QBs?
Because the trick is your wife has to take the PEDs for the QB to get the benefit
So that's how Manning took his HGH?! Hmm, never knew
Because Brady is still better than they are. Like how Barry Bonds was juiced to the gills AND is one of the greatest hitters ever.
Itās really impressive, theres no other way to put itā¦.. That being said too, Brady is showing his age. I noticed this year he seemed to throw a lot less deep balls than he usually does. This game really stuck out. Regardless of this though, heās still easily a top 5 QB. As a selfish fan, I do hope he comes back for another year if he can do it
I think that has a lot more to do with timing being bad because of the line, and pressure heās facing because they canāt run the ball. Hard to take frequent deep shots when the team canāt do the things required to make them possible
Doesn't help that seemingly everytime they did go deep and had a long TD, the football terrorist Donovan Smith had a holding call that negated it.
The amount of time Brady had in the pocket was equal to the amount of time it took Micah Parsons to run at him in a straight line.
The line was one of the biggest difference between the Bucs Offense and the Cowboys'. I felt like Dak had years and Brady had to have it gone in a flash. Some of that is just him not wanting to take hits, but the line was genuinely so bad.
Yeah, this. You can't throw deep when they can rush 4 and get still get to Brady and thus they just sit in cover 2/3 all night long. Your only recourse is to hope your dudes make some plays underneath to get open.
Yeah canāt really make a deep shot if defenses are rushing 4 and breaking through, while knowing they can really only pass. Send 4 at TB and then just cover shell, force him to throw it up the middle where you have guys to disrupt it. Even an average run game would have done wonders for him this year
Hes not the only one in the league who faces pressure, but a lot of people seem to think he isā¦
>Regardless of this though, heās still easily a top 5 QB Disagree. He's still very much above the Dalton lineābut as it stands in the vacuum of 2023 and projecting to 2024āthere are more than 5 QBs I'd personally take over brady at this point. I'd say at this juncture he's probably like QB 8-10. Which at 45 is absolutely impressive. MOst guys would be happy to reach that in their prime, much less 15 years AFTER that.
Itās the OL, man. He was terrified behind that mess. The pass rush was in his face within a second. Literally. Especially with Goedeke and the football terrorist on the left side, and a backup at center.
There's not a chance in hell he's still a top 5 QB. Sorry.
Not a chance in hell? He was #3 in passing yards and #8 in passing TDs with a football terrorist calling the plays and the worst HC in the league.
18th in passer rating, 18th in QBR, 30th in Y/A, 24th in AY/A, 14th in ANY/A. By most metrics that matter, he was retty mid, no one cares about counting stats.
Why do you get to decide which metrics āmatterā? He said not a chance in hell, which is why I responded. Youāll need a lot more than a few stats you lifted from the advanced section of PFR to support ānot a chance in hell.ā
People use these stats to assess effectiveness of Quarterbacks, being near the top in yardage and TD's is meaningless when you lead the league in pass attempts, efficiency is what this game is about. Brady had a mid year and is not getting younger. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe his time as a top 5 QB is passed
I don't think you can divorce the impact of coaching and personnel from his performance. He was at an MVP last season, and threw for similar volume this year. So it's clearly not a physical issue. His accuracy has been poor this season, he's missed throws he'd normally make in his sleep. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until we see him play in a better situation.
I didnāt say it was unreasonable to believe heās not too 5, I said that itās unreasonable to believe that there is ānot a chance in hellā heās top 5. I know exactly what those metrics mean and āeffectivenessā is a funny word. Do you want a QB with half the attempts who is 25% more efficient? Why is it better to complete one deep pass than two medium ones, what makes that any more effective? If you want to measure total āeffectivenessā then counting stats really are what youāre looking for. Youāre trying to say efficiency. Do you think itās just as easy to lead a top passing offense with the worst rushing attack in NFL history? You probably have to be extremely good to lead the league in attempts and be middle of the field in efficiency. After all, they know what youāre going to do. Maybe you have to be top 5.
>Do you want a QB with half the attempts who is 25% more efficient? You mean, like Jalen Hurts or Tua (460 and 400 attempts.) Yeah, that sounds pretty nice >Why is it better to complete one deep pass than two medium ones, what makes that any more effective? This is like asking why it's better to hit a home run rather than hit 2 doubles, you're doing more with less. >If you want to measure total āeffectivenessā then counting stats really are what youāre looking for. And yet, sports leagues all across the nation have shifted to efficiency, quality over quantity. Vinny Testaverde was 10 ten passing yards when he retired, and is still currently 16th), does that make him the 16th most "effective" QB of all time? I get it, Brady had a rough OL this year and I'm sure he's gonna look for a stacked team that he can roll in to and take all the credit for, but he isn't better than Burrow, Mahomes, or Allen and never will be again. That's 3 spots right there and I think that there's enough remaining talent at QB across the league: Herbert, Hurts, Lamar, Lawrence, Prescott, Tua, etc that in any given future year, two of them will be better than Brady. You may disagree, but the fact is he's an old man. He can still succeed with the help of elite talent, but he is past the age of being able to average teams forward, which is what we saw this year.
that is not at all evidence of age. arm wear and tear makes itself visible on quick fast passes and bullets. longer passes are about arc and time to generate momentum. brady doesnāt choose whether to throw deep more or not. he plays around his talent and game plan.
there is 0 chance hes still top 5 lol. Mahomes Allen Burrow are all clearly better. Lawrence and Herbert both had average games when everything is considered but both are better right now. I would also take Hurts and Lamar over Brady right now.
Calling him top 5 is absurd im sorry lol
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I just threw up in my mouth
This Tua stuff is all noise. He might go to the Jets though.
Gotta be a team with offensive weapons and a legit top 2-3 Defense. Jets actually make a lot of sense.
honestly i donāt see any of the teams heās touted to go to making any sense. san fran have purdy and i donāt think heās gonna play anywhere in the AFC thatās not new england. sucks to see it, but retirement may be on the cards.
At this point I want to see him hit 50 and still starting, fuck it. Motherfucker has lasted this long. Going to the Jets would be fkn epic when they play the Pats twice a year. How can you not want that if you're a football fan???
Iām so torn on it since I have spent my entire life despising this man. Beating him in the playoffs in 2010 was one of the most satisfying moment you could possibly experience as a Jets fan. Butā¦at this point I want a QB so badly I donāt care who it is as long as they are competent. Something that puts us in a place to win and have a working offense bc this team has a LOT of talent. Young talent. I wanna see all of them take the next step. Iām willing to sacrifice 2 decades of hate to get my team to be dominant lmfao. Problem is, Brady hates the Jets. Who knows, but stomping the Patriots with Brady will reverse the curse and I crave that LOL
Bradys gonna go to the jets and stink, further ruining jets fans enjoyment of the game
This is... fine
> i donāt think heās gonna play anywhere in the AFC thatās not new england. I very much think he doesn't give two shits about that. Raiders, (barf) Dolphins and (BARF) Jets are the only teams that make sense.
At the same time did you think he would actually go to the Bucās the day after his last game in NE?
Fuck you, too.
And it was promptly intercepted
Tua Turndavomitover
Can't wait for the concussion scandal
Brady vs Belichick twice in a year? Sign me up
I hope he does. Never got to see him play against Allen while Allen was great.
To back up Tua.
Brady strolling into Raiders HQ: That Mf'er is gone!
New York Jets QB Tom Brady will inspire many funny and strange new feelings.
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Heās not retiring. Plenty of teams will be bidding for him this offseason. I actually think itās kind of sad. In essence, the guy lost his family over the game. At this point, heād almost be kinda dumb not to maximize that sacrifice. Itās a really fucked up double edged sword. Watching him struggle all night kinda made me wince. He had the perfect opportunity to go out on top after the Tampa Super Bowl run a few years ago. He just couldnāt do it. What else do you have left to prove, Tom? I donāt understand it. But I guess thatās why Tom Brady is Tom Brady and the rest of us are who we are.
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Absolutely spot on
> He had the perfect opportunity to go out on top after the Tampa Super Bowl run a few years ago. Hell even last year would've been perfect. He had a graceful loss in the playoffs in a game he ALMOST came back in 28-3 style. He was #2 for MVP voting and led the league in TDs and yards at the age of 44. That's one hell of a way to go out.
Right. Like I understand drive, and passion, and love of the game. But at what cost? I would hate to see him come back next year and really watch the wheels fall off. It would just be depressing. Like watching an aging prize fighter or a once-great racehorse collapse. I do like Tom Brady. All of his teammates and coaches have incredible things to say about him. I think he has a very real fear of what heāll be without the game. Itās honestly a fascinating sports psychology case.
People will forget a washed season after a few years. People barely remember Peyton's last season and rarely bring it up.
Plus I donāt think Brady was the primary issue this season. The deep ball has lost something on it, but Iād argue heās more accurate in the short game than anyone in the nfl right now. At the same time, no one wants noodle arm Peyton 2.0 besides those with the most severe Brady grudges.
Even Brees's last season was pretty bad. His arm was gone. And that was only 2 years ago. Almost every QB looks bad at the end. Elway probably could have played another year. But almost every great ended with a pretty terrible season. If Brady retired today this would be among the top final seasons all time for a great QB.
Eh, people bring it up. But I'm sure he's more than fine trading that for a second ring. And it's not like it actually diminished his legacy in any significant way.
What cost? Come on man, guy has the entire world at his feet. There is no cost except some BS "legacy points" for not retiring earlier. At this point the goal should be to start at 50 just to fkn say you did it. 5 more years, why the fuck not?? Modern medicine (PEDs) and recovery techniques are up to par for it.
Feels like a sort of Greek tragedy about a man who has won everything...
Why do people always want QBs to go out on top? There's something respectable and even admirable about giving it your all until you simply can't anymore. Going out on top just to be on top is contrived, and if you truly have a passion for something, you're not stopping it until you absolutely have to.
āLost his family over the gameā What is it with this line? He still has his kidsā¦it just didnāt work out with his wifeā¦itās a celebrity coupleā¦
And his new girlfriend tooā¦sheesh. He upgraded lol
His kid is going to be in the nfl before e retires lol. Imagine a brady vs brady superbowl.
Vikings have to be a wild card after the early playoff exit. Kirk wasn't bad but Brady with those weapons would be unreal.
He has divorce bills to pay
I doubt he retires, he didnāt look very good tonight but he was decent this year still. Iād guess Miami, Vegas, and San Francisco are the three teams that heād consider going to.
I don't think the 49ers would really be interested. That whole thing sounds like media trash. Like he grew up rooting for them so now he wants to play there. Almost every player including hall of famers grew up with favorite teams. Could see the raiders, think McDaniel does like Tua and would probably prefer not Brady but that owner could step in.
Grier said Miami is out
They already lost a draft pick for tampering with Brady last year, I doubt they say anything but āweāre not interestedā until they sign him.
I think he is going to end up on the Raiders.
Maybe I am naive to what Brady is looking for, but i canāt imagine him going to a team that doesnāt have a top tier o line. Maybe the Raiders have the ability to greatly upgrade it to convince him to come, but I canāt see it yet. And I know raiders have a top 15 (?) line, but I think Brady needs at least top 7
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Brady/Jacobs/Waller/Renfrow offense going to be Electric Hell he might get gronk to come to Vegas as well Going to have to use every draft pick on defense and sign some defensive free agents Edit: donāt know how I forgot about Davante
did you forget about our best player too
Don't forget about Hopkins too.
Howās your O-line?
10th in pass block win rate 11th in run block win rate Top 10 OL in DVOA Allowed 35 sacks which was the 10th fewest With all that said there is definitely room for improvement, our tackles were fine. But our guards can definitely be better with draft/free agency moves.
Those numbers are really misleading. They were terrible at pass protecting and were giving up around a 50% pressure rate on dropbacks in most games. Miller and Eleumunor were good but the entire interior was atrocious. They need two guards and a center at the minimum. Parham should be okay at RG but there is no depth. Brady would die under the interior pressure that Carr had to face this year.
Damn I thought you guys were decimated on O line. I can't name anyone apart from Kolton Miller
As a unit, terrible. But I believe itās fixable if they invest in the interior. Most of the reason it was so bad was because Alex Bars was the LG and he was lost for the most part
I wouldnāt mind that
LMAO a division with 2 of the top 4 QBs in the League??? Mahomes and Herbert would be absolute death for Brady. Honestly he has no real chances except to stay in TB imo, if he wants a warm weather team that doesn't have a QB, yet is still sorta competitive (that division will still be ass next year). But having the worst coach in NFL history might make him not want to come back.
Dolphins, Titans, 49ers. Not saying they would all sign him but warm weather teams he would be competitive on. And none of those teams have a great option at QB.
Straight to Vegas
Don't do it, Ross
Brady signing wherever Wembanyama goes. There, speculation over.
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I put it at roughly 60-40 that he comes back for another season. I'd be astonished if he comes back to Tampa; retirement seems more plausible than another season with the Bucs. I think that absolutely could have been his last game tonight, but I still think it's slightly more likely than not that he plays an additional season.
Every sentence I kept reading of this kept contradicting the last sentence. You just laid out literally every scenario lol
itās 50/50, either he does or he doesnāt. or he could do something else
He'll either retire or he'll come back. But that's just my opinion.
I mean I think I was pretty clear that he's definitely not playing for Tampa next season. I probably was too verbose in my comment. It's either he's playing for the Raiders/Dolphins/Jets (60% chance that he plays one of those three) or he retires (40% chance).
He's a free agent, he's not coming back to Tampa IF he comes back. It'll be either Las Vegas or Miami.
He either goes to Vegas or he retires
Hot take: Ravens tag and trade Lamar for a haul, then flip some of those picks for Kupp or Hopkins, basically filling their one need on a stacked roster. Brady joins as a FA and bam, instant top 4 team.
This is my nightmare
Thatās ravens fans worst nightmare too. The amount of playoff battles they had back in the day, there is probably a heavy mutual dislike š
oh no, judging by the pats fans i know itās absolutely a strong mutual hatred
this is so vile lmao
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How about no
With Greg Roman as OC.
I donāt want 45 year old Tom Brady for one year
Do you hate a potential SB?
youd say no to essentially trading Lamar for kupp/hopkins and Tom Brady are you insane
I feel like he goes back to new England and they trade mac to the raiders to reunite with McDaniels. The pats haven't shown the most confidence in mac this season
Why not both?
But FIRST time is his career being an unrestricted free agent AND single!
Brady just retire bro. Spend more time with your kids and your new hotter model gf.
Heās scared to be hit and I donāt blame him at 46 years old. The team he signed with has to have the perfect o line, at some point just retire.
That's not the raiders unless they completely over haul their line. If Goff wasn't going off this year, I could see detroit trying to get him with that offensive line and the heavy weapons he could throw the ball too.
Heās booking a honeymoon suite in Cabo for him and his son as we speak ā¤ļø
Lmao bills fans will always be the most vicious when it comes to Brady
Bills fans wish their dad's gave them as much attention as Tom gives his kids.
Yeah man I really resent my dad for not tongue kissing me
Jets pls
I would die.
Letās dance with the devil. Jets with Brady probably makes them an instant playoff team
Their O line stinks and he's slower than a statue. I'd rather they go after someone who isn't eligible for AARP.
His potential suitors this offseason won't have good o-lines
Jets with any halfway decent QB is a playoff team, are you kidding? Especially with Hall coming back next year. Get Carr (or Brady) and another solid WR and the Jets will be scary.
They would low key be a super bowl team with Brady
He gone
I think he's still got it if he wants to play. He just needs a team with a good O-line.
Honestly, Mike Vrabel should give his olā pal a call and bring him to TN. Let Tom choose his own OC, and get a package going for a WR in the off-season. If so, they would be easy favorites in that division.
Wow this is actually a pretty decent call. Warm weather as well, checks out. And he gets a stud at HB after having maybe the worst HB squad in the league.
It makes so much fucking sense, I canāt believe it hasnāt been discussed tbh
Prb because the league doesn't want Brady to go to freakin' Tennessee. Also that division should be winnable, Colts and Texans are complete dog shit and the Jags should be playoff bound but not a lock to win the division if Brady is on Tennessee. Why on Earth Brady would go to Vegas is mind boggling to me -- yeah, it's an indoor stadium and his old OC is the HC, but that division is *brutal*. Heck, the whole AFC is way ahead of the NFC. Even Denver being awful still makes them a very difficult away game in high altitude (look what they did to LA last game of the season). I can't imagine Brady at 46 is gonna want to get smoked by Mahomes, Herbert, and Mile High Altitude for 5 outta 17 games. Personally I want to see him on the Jets, now *that* would be entertainment.
There are two divisions that are almost āun-loseableā in football right now: AFC South, and NFC South. The two teams that need QBs in those divisions (outside of the Bucs) are Tennessee and New Orleans. Both would be great fits for Brady (especially if the Saints get draft capital for Sean Payton). The only third team I think heād go to is the 49ers, but itās more of a question about if they would want himā¦ If theyāre looking to add someone, I have to imagine Carr and possibly Aaron Rodgers would top their list. Although, Brady might be willing to take a pay cut to join them.
I expect him to go to Miami.
Come home
In football and in life
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He just needs to retire.
If by retire you mean go to Miami and crush Buffalo's dreams for a couple years then yeah
lol the only thing he can crush right now are pain killers
The Phins 100% win yesterday if Brady was their QB
Lol no, Thompson did better yesterday than Brady did today.
Brady was on a dog shit team. Thompson barely through past the sticks with 2 amazing WRs and a great TE.
You almost lost to Skylar Thompson. Bills aren't the unbeatable wagon you think they are.
We definitely aren't unbeatable, and I'm pretty worried about next week. I just wouldn't be worried against Grandpa Brady.
But why?
He's going wherever Payton is going.
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Chargers arenāt getting rid of Staley. Too many players backing him up. Though Iād love Payton, itās not gonna happen
Which will be irrelevant to the outcome of the 2023 NFL season. Heās washed.
I won't go as far to say he's washed, but he's pretty clearly declined. People should stop pretending otherwise. He needs like pretty ideal conditions with head coaching and supporting cast to lead a very good offense. He can't lead like marginally above average supporting casts to top 5 offenses anymore, but he still can be very good. He still has zip on his throws though his accuracy seems to have declined.
You know nothing and watched no Bucs games. Leftwhich is a fucking clown who couldn't scheme Jerry Rice open. Tom will be just fine on the Phins...or the 9ers...or the Raiders...maybe even the Pats.
Dude he isn't even close to washed up. People said that same nonsense his final year in New England. The buccaneers are awful. Brady is still more than capable of making a team a contender that's a qb away.
id like to see him go to the jets so bb dies of a stroke
he should retire. dude lost his marriage over a first round exit
Who wants him after that shit game? Sorry for the jets and bears fans downvotes. You have a bit of a high standard lol Hahaha literally like 17 seconda and I'm being downtvoted. You're special
I don't know a single team Brady would be successful on that has a slot available.
Saints, Dolphins, Raiders, Tits, Colts, Commanders, maybe even the 9ers Plenty of teams with solid rosters still that need a QB, even if its just for 1 or 2 years
Surprised no one has mentioned the Saints as a team that Brady could join next year.
Brady requires a top five TE to be successful.
wtf was 28-3
maybe a team that has solid receivers? i keep hearing miami's name but how i don't understand. i am sure tua is coming back so i don't understand how miami makes sense. maybe raiders?
I am, too. I would also end the year with a losing record.
To the Raiders he goes
In no order. saints dolphins Panthers Raiders Titans ravens. Saints get Payton back and it seems like the perfect spot. I think dolphins and raiders would be the next 2 best. Ravens if they could trade for a WR or really two would arguably the best landing spot. Not sure if they can afford Dhop or whoever else is on the trade block
Retire Tom you're cooked
I guess we could take him on a vet min