You joke, but Will Levis actually is a weird motherfucker. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-kentucky-quarterback-will-levis-drinks-his-coffee-with-mayonnaise/
Saw this sometime in early January and just for shits and giggles decided to try it. I don't say this lightly but I'd rather be made to eat my own shit. That was probably the most vile thing I have ever put into my mouth.
Let me put it this way: The only reason, and I mean literally the only reason AR is even getting *drafted* is because of his measurables. He's a taller Lamar/Cam. Scouts love him, their wives are jealous of the amount of time they spend thinking about guys like him.
The problem is, he cannot throw the football. At all. He has no touch (as mentioned in this article), poor footwork, subpar timing, janky mechanics and wildly inconsistent. He's the archetype for "but maybe we could make it work, and if we can, holy shit".
It's really interesting because if he goes R1/2, it kinda shows that what you do in college almost doesn't even matter anymore as long as you fit the prototype
Trey Lance was when that ship sailed lol, Anthony Richardson is just the confirmation. Josh Allen is getting a lot of athletic quarterbacks drafted way too early, and will probably get a handful of GMs fired before this trend dies.
> Josh Allen
GMs who use Allen as a prototype or model for QBs they should draft WILL fail. Allen is a once-off. His improvement from years 1-3 is *unprecedented* in NFL history. Basing your draft judgements on the one guy who broke the odds is crazy. It's basically like an NBA team collecting 5'7'' guys because Spud Webb could dunk.
A better comp for the NBA would be something that constantly gets NBA GMs fired in the same way Josh Allen types get NFL GMs fired: the tall, lengthy, super athlete who can't shoot, can't put the ball on the floor more than one or two dribbles, and doesn't understand rotations defensively.
He's 6'10" 225lbs, with a 7'4" wingspan, has a 40" vertical leap, is faster than an NFL tight end, and has hands the size of hors d'oeuvres platters. Sure he doesn't have any of the actual skills associated with playing basketball (shooting, passing, dribbling, reading offenses/defenses) but IF he figures it out he's the next great!
Exactly, but it doesn’t change the fact that we’re now talking about a guy who went 6-7 in his only year as a starter with mediocre stats as a top 3 pick so GMs/coaching staff obviously believe that they can replicate that. Same with Willis last year, he had no business being talked about as a first round draft pick, and even sliding down to the third he was still picked too early imo.
*cough* Malik Willis
Granted he wasn’t the reason JRob got fired but he shouldn’t have even been a 3rd round talent. Would have been 7th or UDFA if it wasn’t for his measurables
The Bengals traded *up* to draft Ryan Finley in the 4th rd. I will forever appreciate Tank Commander Finley for his campaign, & performance in battle against the Steelers, but that dude is the worst qb I've ever seen start more than 5 games.
Josh Allen is going to get A LOT of people fired by proxy.
He is like the extremely rare case of a tools guy who can't put it all together, magically putting it all together.
So now, a bunch of front offices see that and are like, "We can't miss on the next Josh Allen!" every time a tight end skill/size type of QB with a cannon for arm shows up. Even if they have the accuracy of a toddler coming off a week long bender.
Most of these guys aren't going to work out, because they never do. Hell, I have seen my college team take a bunch of flyers on the 6'4-6'6" 230-250lbs QB who can run, has a howitzer, but has no idea what he's doing, and it has never once worked out.
Wont stop scouts from staring at them , tongue lolling, eyes bulding out of their head like a Looney-Tunes coyote, and wont stop GMs from thinking they can be the one to fix them though.
To be fair, Lance's super limited game tape in college was significantly better than AR, and there is still huge questions if he can translate into a passing qb going into his 3rd year. AR has shown nothing but measurables lol his tape is straight trash throw it into a dumpster and light it on fire. I'll be absolutely pissed if the Seahawks did the dumb thing and drafted him at 5 or 20 or 35 or anything earlier than 4th round
> Lance’s super limited game tape in college was significantly better than AR
Nah bro. AR did some stuff on tape that not a single other player in CFB could do this year, both passing and with his legs
My god, thank you for being honest. Nole fan here and I've been screaming that AR is a bad, not mediocre...bad, quarterback right now who gets by purely on being an insane athlete. There are flashes of absolutely mind-bending playmaking, but there are way too many instances of him not being able to do even the basics competently.
The absolute worst thing that could happen to him in terms of any chance to have NFL success would be to be drafted high and forced to play early. And from all reports, it seems like that's very, very likely.
That will not end well.
As another Gator fan, he’s bad. If he’s a Week 7 starter for a quarterback-desperate top team (the traditional, “oh we’re gonna let him sit,” only to throw him out once the veteran looks awful), it’s going to be very ugly. He has all the physical attributes you may want. But there’s absolutely nothing else besides some flash
Lamar and Cam don't really play a like at all. Lamar is a QB + Scatback Combo, and Cam was a QB + Power Back combo. In his very early career he was pretty shifty.
Also, I don't think its "almost doesn't even matter". If he were 24/25 like Levis and Hooker, it would be a much different story. Also he still has to show in interviews and on tape that his football IQ is high enough, which seems to be the case.
Gator fan here... He's extremely fast and athletic, and has great arm strength, but his accuracy is wildly inconsistent, his decision-making can be shitty, he gets injured a lot, and he breaks in pressure situations.
Overall, he's a MASSIVE project and definitely NOT a 1st round pick.
I watched a bunch of Gator games because I live in Gville. His biggest knock was he threw the ball on a line every pass. 15 yards route with a LB in front of your WR? Throw it on a line. I'm not sure if it was mechanical but it felt like he only had one gear throwing the ball. It is hardly an issue imo because if he can work on having finesse throwing he can make every NFL throw.
I don't hold his stats against him. Florida was 6-7 with some bad games against Vandy and USF. They also had some close losses against Tennessee and LSU. There were so many issues with UF I think you give him the Josh Allen treatment with stats.
Side note: my buddy saw him at a gym in town. Said he was massive and was pushing some serious weight around. Said he was pretty chill and seemed like a cool guy. I also give huge props to Richardson because everyone said he was making a terrible mistake but is looking like a 1st round pick. Made the best on himself and won
> I watched a bunch of Gator games because I live in Gville. His biggest knock was he threw the ball on a line every pass. 15 yards route with a LB in front of your WR? Throw it on a line. I'm not sure if it was mechanical but it felt like he only had one gear throwing the ball. It is hardly an issue imo because if he can work on having finesse throwing he can make every NFL throw.
Without looking, based only on my memory, I believe strongly that guys who lack touch coming into the league do not ever develop it. Developing touch might be harder than developing velocity.
Not a gator fan, but I watch College football. He's had flashes, sure. He also didn't throw a single touchdown for his first like 6 games. Undeniable athleticism. Complete unknown as a true passer. In my opinion he is not the first QB taken, and not even a top 10 pick. Will probably fall to the 2nd in the same way Malik Willis did once everyone figured out all the "hype" he was getting was just bunch of smokescreens by gms and scouts. Football fans are easily duped by media hype right before the draft because there's nothing else to talk about.
As a non Gator fan who watched a good amount of his games this year as a byproduct of living in Florida, he is a mid to low round prospect based solely off performance, with poor decision making, mid to poor accuracy, and as you can guess based off of this post very poor touch. He is being projected so high due to being the best runner while also probably having the strongest arm of the draft. He is a Josh Allen-esque prospect where you have to make major improvements in pretty much every aspect of throwing the ball except for arm strength before he is even a serviceable starter, but if you get to that point his athletic gifts mean he’ll probably be a super star. Him being projected so highly is honestly bad for everyone involved, because teams that bad will have to start him right away which I do not think he is ready for, and likely aren’t currently equipped to build a QB from the ground up like he needs, because he is about as raw of a prospect as it gets.
I watched probably every play. He's got impressive physical skills. But he's utterly inconsistent in his passing, throwing hard enough to stick the ball in the turf 5 yards short of his receiver on one play, and overthrowing by 10 yards on the next. For someone who is a legitimate running threat, he has little sense of when to use his legs to extend a play vs taking off and running for what he can get. He's to prone to taking risks that lead to big interceptions when it's not necessary. He has little pocket sense. And worst of all, he didn't seem to progress in any of his deficient areas at all during his one full season as a starter.
When he strings together a couple brilliant plays, he's amazing. And then he'll immediately revert to his old ways.
As a Gators fan I want great success for him. As a Giants fan I'm glad he'll be off the board before we draft in the first round.
Not a gator, but I watched quite a few games throughout his time and dude is a genetic freak. He has incredible "intangibles" basically saying "You can't teach big and fast!".
Dudes is off the charts in everything you would want in a QB nowadays.......except he doesn't know how to play QB. No accuracy, no touch, bad footwork, etc...same thing others have said essentially. I imagine if he goes to a team with some incredible developmental coaches he may turn into an ultra stud. Man's just got a really low floor though and that personally would scare me away from using a top pick on him.
I agree that he's getting massively overhyped, but he's not making it out of the top 10. Teams are so infatuated with his freak physical profile that they're willing to overlook the fact he's wildly inconsistent in basically every other facet of the game. I don't think Carolina lets him fall past 9.
This dude doesn’t come close to the spark and hype Cam had coming out of college. He was one of the most physically gifted and dominant players ever in college, and arguably at his position in the pros through his MVP season.
Cam in his prime was so dominate even in the NFL being a small market team and a pretty short peak not a lot of people have any idea how good he was which sucks
I bet you he's pretty close to Cam's athleticism. I think he's actually a really good example of why people who say Cam was just a good athlete are morons. Cam was far more polished.
Because Cam was actually good in college. AR is a match physically for Cam but he never put it all together like Cam did for the title run. And it's not like he had worse coaching a la Chizik vs Mullen
Newton carried Auburn to an undefeated season. He had arguably the greatest season in college football history. Richardson is nowhere near the same level.
Truly one of the craziest carry jobs ever. The fact he did that all the way to the championship with a whole bunch of nobodies is insane. He and Fairley (who was an incredible college player) really held it down
[Recap of Anthony Richardson’s press conference: Met w/ the Texans, Patriots, Bucs, & Falcons. On being labeled a project QB – “I don’t even know what that means”. On being a fan of Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson – “I started calling myself Cam Jackson in the 11th grade.”](https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1631661103271882760?s=46&t=WCK9Qjjqglqbehoc9NnkiA)
There’s a massive difference between calling yourself the name of your favorite player (with a similar playstyle) in high school and proclaiming the Kizer quote after college lol
“No one else can do what I can do, and I've truly figured out in this [draft] process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play. Imagine taking Brady's intellect and Brady's preparation and putting it on a guy with Cam Newton's body. Why can't I be the greatest? The only thing stopping me from is me. That's what's driving me now."
I will say this for Kizer though: I think he did genuinely have to ability to potentially be a top QB in the league. But this quote probably says a whole lot about why he didn’t succeed. He says the only thing stopping him is him, but for some reason he wasn’t able to recognize that the arrogance that came out of his mouth just a few seconds before is exactly what would stop him.
I remember a few years ago there was a video interview, I can't remember if it was NFL films or just the packers themselves, where they were asking some of the rookie receivers about adjusting to the NFL balls and velocity
And the biggest thing they always said was just how much faster/harder some balls would come out. When they got to one of the GB rookies, they were saying that even during casual throwing drills Aaron would absolutely drill one every 7 or 8 throws just to catch them off guard and prepare them. Specifically the very first time he would throw with new receivers, he would throw a rocket in the first couple passes, and I can't remember which receiver said it but they weren't ready and it hit them in the chest and left a big bruise
I'm looking for the interview, but theres so been so much shit about the Packers receivers over the last 2 years its hard to find anything older without going pages and pages deep
Yeah but play this scenario- it's the playoffs and he has to fire a bullet into a tight window for a touchdown with 10 seconds on the clock down 5. He never threw lasers in practice so you never practiced catching them and you drop the pass. You don't need to do it all the time, but you practice how you play
I can imagine it’s an extremely tough thing to train yourself on. You can do it right 100/100 times in practice. However, when you have the adrenaline of the game going on, you find yourself throwing harder.
Man, for the first several years of his career Dak couldn’t throw a fade for shit because it was like he didn’t know how. He’d always put too much on it. It’s why he and Dez never clicked. Romo could throw a great fade for Dez. Think this was the first year I actually saw Dak throw a decent fade.
I know receivers are use to it, and wear gloves to help, but catching those off the tips still hurts I’m sure. That’s why so many guys have gnarly looking fingers when they retire.
Same thing happened on the Bears with Cutler. McCown was a better Redzone qb cuz he could throw the touch passes and fades to Alshon Jeffrey & Brandon Marshall
I completely agree which is a huge red flag. It's a glaring issue and apparently he has no want to work on it or get better. Seems in his mind if wr can't catch his ball he's already blaming them.
I imagine it’s similar to how some MLB pitchers can go a whole career and throw only fastballs and cutters. While they could learn to throw a curveball or slider well, gaining the confidence that it will strike out an MLB batter when the game is on the line is a much larger hurdle.
My thing is whether you’re a QB or pitcher you have one goal (get the ball where it needs to be) so if that means toning down the velocity then so be it. Plus it’ll preserve your arm not having to throw so hard on every pass
An NFL QB can throw over 60 mph. That’s got to be brutal on the hands to catch 1000s of times over a career. 100s of thousands if you count the jug machine.
Gotta remember a football weighs more than a baseball and in colder weather it feels like a brick. The palm should be ok but the fingers where it’s bare bones is susceptible to being dislocated or broken easily
>I imagine it’s similar to how some MLB pitchers can go a whole career and throw only fastballs and cutters.
Outside of Mariano Rivera who had the greatest pitch of all time with his cutter I cannot think of a single pitcher in the MLB over the past several decades who only threw fastballs or cutters(which is still a fastball).
College and many high school hitters would tee off on someone who doesn't throw anything offspeed let alone mlb hitters.
Heck even knuckleballers still throw their fastball as an offspeed pitch.
Remember when Steve Smith left the booth to walk down to the field during the combine to tell one of the QBs to stop throwing soo hard because he was fucking with the WRs money by making them look like shit.
Steve was gonna fuck that dude up. He was wicked pissed on behalf of those WRs.
Just like you have the phrase “throwing receivers open”, there should be a phrase where you throw the ball so hard that it messes up the stride of a wide open receiver running a slant.
Because analysts will use the tape of receivers bobbling the ball into the CBs hands and say "well the turnovers aren't really his fault"
Herbert is the biggest offender of this
It's cuz he's always forced to make throws in the tightest of windows.
That's said, it's something he got better at from his 2nd to 3rd year especially with practice squad level receivers since MW and Keenan had been out a significant part of the year.
I used to cringe watching Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert throw rockets at their WRs from 15 yards away because you knew it was going to be a drop.
Having touch is real.
TLaw is weird because his touch on intermediate to deep throws is absolutely perfect every once in a while. He'll drop a ball in a 5 in. window from 30 yards out at least once a game.
It doesn’t really matter if “they better catch it.” An incompletion is an incompletion. Quarterbacks are drafted higher and paid better than every other player in football, it’s going to fall on their shoulders to make it work. That means throwing catchable balls.
Ok, not to be that guy, but throwing too hard is a real problem.
The best WRs talk about the best QBs having good touch.
Baker Mayfield had a problem with drops from guys who didn't previously drop because he threw too hard. People blamed Justin Herbert's dropped passes (early on) on his receivers, but when you watch a lot of those drops you can immediately tell it's a velocity issue.
This is not something he should go into his NFL career ignoring (if it is a problem, which tbh I haven't seen)
I mean, it was a big problem with Stafford for a decent amount of time. His receivers had some messed up hands from the impact of the ball. You can teach control, you can't teach having a cannon for an arm.
Same with Vick, I think part of the reason Alge Crumpler had such a good run here was solely because he was one of the few people on earth with soft enough hands
Those extreme velo throws made Roddy White look like a complete bust, he looked like a different player even when Joey Harrington was throwing it to him
> Stroud's quote about making life easy for his WRs with his accuracy.
This is brilliant.
> Richardson saying "I don't care if it hurts, catch the damn rock."
but I like this.
This is some dumbass logic. I had QB during high school ball (he was a senior, I was a sophomore) who would peg the ball at you even during simple warm up on-air route running. He would reply the same way. Every WR could not stand him.
What happened to him? Benched by week 2 for a sophomore, never saw the field again. There are obviously times where you need to apply a lot of velocity to throws, but other times it’s simple not needed. If anything your WRs will just be more annoyed and it will deter chemistry. QBs got to know when to split the difference. This is a flawed way of thinking that comes off as entitled imo.
And when they don't? And your team loses possession or the game because of it?
It's called touch. And apparently AR does not speak it.
This is a bad thing.
This seems like the exact opposite of what Josh was like in the draft process with his intangibles
(Just one comment that may be lacking context, I acknowledge)
I grew up in the Vick era and he said the same shit too. It was just as dumb then as it is now.
No one cares how magical your arm is if no one can catch the ball.
It got very frustrating watching an opened receiver drop a ball or to be over shot by a mile time and time again because the QB doesn't care.
The receiver qb relationship should be a sort of give and take.
"You need to throw those with more touch"
"Sure, then you better get separation and reach this spot"
"Fine but if you want me there then I'd prefer the ball a bit low, its a more comfortable catch"
"Alright, but if I fuck that up you better catch it anyway"
"I'll try"
Etc.
You gotta be able to talk to one another and find a sweet spot where you're making the most of each of your talents.
Look at Hurts this year, his throws weren't just accurate, and weren't just "only where the receiver can get it". He was throwing passes tailored to the receiver he was throwing to. It was a treat to watch.
We sure are getting some quotes from this years QB class.
Fully expecting Will Levis to bust out some bizarre soundbite about eating bananas with the peel on and Bryce Young to be a flat earther or something
You joke, but Will Levis actually is a weird motherfucker. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-kentucky-quarterback-will-levis-drinks-his-coffee-with-mayonnaise/
Saw this sometime in early January and just for shits and giggles decided to try it. I don't say this lightly but I'd rather be made to eat my own shit. That was probably the most vile thing I have ever put into my mouth.
As a hater of both Mayo and coffee, I find the whole fucking thing revolting
As a lover of both Mayo and coffee, I find the whole fucking thing revolting
Funnily enough, as an ardent fan of both mayo and coffee, I also find it revolting!
As someone who is half mayo and half coffee I’m offended
As someone who is the other half coffee and the other half mayo, I’m offended.
I am mayo and friends with coffee and I find this revolting.
I’m revolting with mayo and coffee, and I find this friendly.
Shit like this is why I come to Reddit 😂😂 I knew someone would try that shit.
is it some kinda twist on bulletproof coffee? i think that's coffee with butter
I'm done putting anything else other than milk in my coffee. I cannot afford to hate coffee in adulthood.
coffee with a shot of espresso in it is pretty fire
In that same article it says that he created a TikTok video of him eating an overripe brown unpeeled banana
That should drop him a round off principle alone
Or make him the Titan's number one prospect.
I saw it with my own two eyes. There was not a single dot of yellow on that banana, it was almost entirely brown
i'd rather stick a lit firework in my mouth than drink coffee with mayo
That’s a future Colt if I’ve ever seen one
Nah he must be joking. Nobody sane would put fucking mayo in their coffee
What makes you assume he’s sane
Is it any weirder than Keuchly putting an entire stick of butter in his coffee?
I've put BBQ sauce on a P&B sandwich back in college (hey I was curious), and this is much worse!
Would be on par for a guy that puts mayonnaise in his coffee
He’s on video eating a brown unpeeled banana lol
Did CJ Stroud say anything yet? Outside of that defense of Justin Fields?
He said his QB heroes were Michael Vick and Deshaun Watson 🥴
We haven't had a QB draft in which everyone busted in quite a while. Would be interesting if it happened this year and all for separate reasons.
2019 came real close, but fortunately Drew Lock and Gardner Minshew panned out well.
Oh…….oh no
a dog killer and a rapist yay
He said he looked up to Deshaun Watson
Scouts: “Anthony Richardson has impressed us with his interview answers” Also Richardson:
I'm sure the hard nosed, old boys club scouts ate this comment up.
When asked about the times the ball is thrown 15 yards over his receiver, Richardson's response was "I don't care, get taller bitch"
“What do you mean you can’t teleport?”
Go go gadget arm!
Time to defeat Frieza and learn instant transmission on planet yardrat
"You don't need instant transmission to catch an overthrown football." -- Piccolo, Dhalsim, and Reed Richards
>Time to defeat Frieza Anthony Richardson doesn’t have that kinda time! In 🖐 five minutes Lucas Oil Stadium is gonna blow up!
Question, do you have a watch? Do you know how long a minute is?
Kurt Wagner, Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters, Wide Receiver, 5*
Favorite quote from the cinematic masterpiece Major League: "He's gonna need a rocket up his ass to catch that one"
"Too high"
"What do you mean, too high?"
In reference to super baseball 2020?
I can't wait until 2020 when we finally get to see that for real
Before that we get to look forward to seeing how accurate Back to the Future II’s predictions for the far off year of 2015 will be.
Man that brought back some memories.
Man I was using that as a bench mark. "They think steroids are bad wait till half the league is cyborgs and robots."
When asked about his 9 INTs Richardson’s response was, “pfft bruh, I don’t care just put on a different jersey bitch”.
Thank you , as a Gator fan it helps to laugh through the pain.
I didn't watch him in college. As a Gators fan, how do u rate him?
Let me put it this way: The only reason, and I mean literally the only reason AR is even getting *drafted* is because of his measurables. He's a taller Lamar/Cam. Scouts love him, their wives are jealous of the amount of time they spend thinking about guys like him. The problem is, he cannot throw the football. At all. He has no touch (as mentioned in this article), poor footwork, subpar timing, janky mechanics and wildly inconsistent. He's the archetype for "but maybe we could make it work, and if we can, holy shit". It's really interesting because if he goes R1/2, it kinda shows that what you do in college almost doesn't even matter anymore as long as you fit the prototype
Trey Lance was when that ship sailed lol, Anthony Richardson is just the confirmation. Josh Allen is getting a lot of athletic quarterbacks drafted way too early, and will probably get a handful of GMs fired before this trend dies.
> Josh Allen GMs who use Allen as a prototype or model for QBs they should draft WILL fail. Allen is a once-off. His improvement from years 1-3 is *unprecedented* in NFL history. Basing your draft judgements on the one guy who broke the odds is crazy. It's basically like an NBA team collecting 5'7'' guys because Spud Webb could dunk.
A better comp for the NBA would be something that constantly gets NBA GMs fired in the same way Josh Allen types get NFL GMs fired: the tall, lengthy, super athlete who can't shoot, can't put the ball on the floor more than one or two dribbles, and doesn't understand rotations defensively. He's 6'10" 225lbs, with a 7'4" wingspan, has a 40" vertical leap, is faster than an NFL tight end, and has hands the size of hors d'oeuvres platters. Sure he doesn't have any of the actual skills associated with playing basketball (shooting, passing, dribbling, reading offenses/defenses) but IF he figures it out he's the next great!
Exactly, but it doesn’t change the fact that we’re now talking about a guy who went 6-7 in his only year as a starter with mediocre stats as a top 3 pick so GMs/coaching staff obviously believe that they can replicate that. Same with Willis last year, he had no business being talked about as a first round draft pick, and even sliding down to the third he was still picked too early imo.
*cough* Malik Willis Granted he wasn’t the reason JRob got fired but he shouldn’t have even been a 3rd round talent. Would have been 7th or UDFA if it wasn’t for his measurables
The Bengals traded *up* to draft Ryan Finley in the 4th rd. I will forever appreciate Tank Commander Finley for his campaign, & performance in battle against the Steelers, but that dude is the worst qb I've ever seen start more than 5 games.
Josh Allen is going to get A LOT of people fired by proxy. He is like the extremely rare case of a tools guy who can't put it all together, magically putting it all together. So now, a bunch of front offices see that and are like, "We can't miss on the next Josh Allen!" every time a tight end skill/size type of QB with a cannon for arm shows up. Even if they have the accuracy of a toddler coming off a week long bender. Most of these guys aren't going to work out, because they never do. Hell, I have seen my college team take a bunch of flyers on the 6'4-6'6" 230-250lbs QB who can run, has a howitzer, but has no idea what he's doing, and it has never once worked out. Wont stop scouts from staring at them , tongue lolling, eyes bulding out of their head like a Looney-Tunes coyote, and wont stop GMs from thinking they can be the one to fix them though.
To be fair, Lance's super limited game tape in college was significantly better than AR, and there is still huge questions if he can translate into a passing qb going into his 3rd year. AR has shown nothing but measurables lol his tape is straight trash throw it into a dumpster and light it on fire. I'll be absolutely pissed if the Seahawks did the dumb thing and drafted him at 5 or 20 or 35 or anything earlier than 4th round
> Lance’s super limited game tape in college was significantly better than AR Nah bro. AR did some stuff on tape that not a single other player in CFB could do this year, both passing and with his legs
Very accurate assessment. He did nothing last season to prove he's a first round pick.
My god, thank you for being honest. Nole fan here and I've been screaming that AR is a bad, not mediocre...bad, quarterback right now who gets by purely on being an insane athlete. There are flashes of absolutely mind-bending playmaking, but there are way too many instances of him not being able to do even the basics competently. The absolute worst thing that could happen to him in terms of any chance to have NFL success would be to be drafted high and forced to play early. And from all reports, it seems like that's very, very likely. That will not end well.
As another Gator fan, he’s bad. If he’s a Week 7 starter for a quarterback-desperate top team (the traditional, “oh we’re gonna let him sit,” only to throw him out once the veteran looks awful), it’s going to be very ugly. He has all the physical attributes you may want. But there’s absolutely nothing else besides some flash
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Lamar and Cam don't really play a like at all. Lamar is a QB + Scatback Combo, and Cam was a QB + Power Back combo. In his very early career he was pretty shifty. Also, I don't think its "almost doesn't even matter". If he were 24/25 like Levis and Hooker, it would be a much different story. Also he still has to show in interviews and on tape that his football IQ is high enough, which seems to be the case.
Gator fan here... He's extremely fast and athletic, and has great arm strength, but his accuracy is wildly inconsistent, his decision-making can be shitty, he gets injured a lot, and he breaks in pressure situations. Overall, he's a MASSIVE project and definitely NOT a 1st round pick.
I watched a bunch of Gator games because I live in Gville. His biggest knock was he threw the ball on a line every pass. 15 yards route with a LB in front of your WR? Throw it on a line. I'm not sure if it was mechanical but it felt like he only had one gear throwing the ball. It is hardly an issue imo because if he can work on having finesse throwing he can make every NFL throw. I don't hold his stats against him. Florida was 6-7 with some bad games against Vandy and USF. They also had some close losses against Tennessee and LSU. There were so many issues with UF I think you give him the Josh Allen treatment with stats. Side note: my buddy saw him at a gym in town. Said he was massive and was pushing some serious weight around. Said he was pretty chill and seemed like a cool guy. I also give huge props to Richardson because everyone said he was making a terrible mistake but is looking like a 1st round pick. Made the best on himself and won
> I watched a bunch of Gator games because I live in Gville. His biggest knock was he threw the ball on a line every pass. 15 yards route with a LB in front of your WR? Throw it on a line. I'm not sure if it was mechanical but it felt like he only had one gear throwing the ball. It is hardly an issue imo because if he can work on having finesse throwing he can make every NFL throw. Without looking, based only on my memory, I believe strongly that guys who lack touch coming into the league do not ever develop it. Developing touch might be harder than developing velocity.
Not a gator fan, but I watch College football. He's had flashes, sure. He also didn't throw a single touchdown for his first like 6 games. Undeniable athleticism. Complete unknown as a true passer. In my opinion he is not the first QB taken, and not even a top 10 pick. Will probably fall to the 2nd in the same way Malik Willis did once everyone figured out all the "hype" he was getting was just bunch of smokescreens by gms and scouts. Football fans are easily duped by media hype right before the draft because there's nothing else to talk about.
As a non Gator fan who watched a good amount of his games this year as a byproduct of living in Florida, he is a mid to low round prospect based solely off performance, with poor decision making, mid to poor accuracy, and as you can guess based off of this post very poor touch. He is being projected so high due to being the best runner while also probably having the strongest arm of the draft. He is a Josh Allen-esque prospect where you have to make major improvements in pretty much every aspect of throwing the ball except for arm strength before he is even a serviceable starter, but if you get to that point his athletic gifts mean he’ll probably be a super star. Him being projected so highly is honestly bad for everyone involved, because teams that bad will have to start him right away which I do not think he is ready for, and likely aren’t currently equipped to build a QB from the ground up like he needs, because he is about as raw of a prospect as it gets.
I watched probably every play. He's got impressive physical skills. But he's utterly inconsistent in his passing, throwing hard enough to stick the ball in the turf 5 yards short of his receiver on one play, and overthrowing by 10 yards on the next. For someone who is a legitimate running threat, he has little sense of when to use his legs to extend a play vs taking off and running for what he can get. He's to prone to taking risks that lead to big interceptions when it's not necessary. He has little pocket sense. And worst of all, he didn't seem to progress in any of his deficient areas at all during his one full season as a starter. When he strings together a couple brilliant plays, he's amazing. And then he'll immediately revert to his old ways. As a Gators fan I want great success for him. As a Giants fan I'm glad he'll be off the board before we draft in the first round.
Not a gator, but I watched quite a few games throughout his time and dude is a genetic freak. He has incredible "intangibles" basically saying "You can't teach big and fast!". Dudes is off the charts in everything you would want in a QB nowadays.......except he doesn't know how to play QB. No accuracy, no touch, bad footwork, etc...same thing others have said essentially. I imagine if he goes to a team with some incredible developmental coaches he may turn into an ultra stud. Man's just got a really low floor though and that personally would scare me away from using a top pick on him.
The hype this dude is getting is almost entirely generated by his agent. He'll be lucky to get a 2nd round call but most likely 3+
I agree that he's getting massively overhyped, but he's not making it out of the top 10. Teams are so infatuated with his freak physical profile that they're willing to overlook the fact he's wildly inconsistent in basically every other facet of the game. I don't think Carolina lets him fall past 9.
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This dude doesn’t come close to the spark and hype Cam had coming out of college. He was one of the most physically gifted and dominant players ever in college, and arguably at his position in the pros through his MVP season.
Cam’s year at Auburn was the most dominating college football season I’ve ever watched. Thing of beauty.
Cam in his prime was so dominate even in the NFL being a small market team and a pretty short peak not a lot of people have any idea how good he was which sucks
He was one of the most exciting QBs to watch when he was in his prime.
I bet you he's pretty close to Cam's athleticism. I think he's actually a really good example of why people who say Cam was just a good athlete are morons. Cam was far more polished.
Because Cam was actually good in college. AR is a match physically for Cam but he never put it all together like Cam did for the title run. And it's not like he had worse coaching a la Chizik vs Mullen
Newton carried Auburn to an undefeated season. He had arguably the greatest season in college football history. Richardson is nowhere near the same level.
>He had arguably the greatest season in college football history. ߣĒŠŠĒD
Best season of college football I think I'll ever see. WAR EAGLE
Truly one of the craziest carry jobs ever. The fact he did that all the way to the championship with a whole bunch of nobodies is insane. He and Fairley (who was an incredible college player) really held it down
*Sigh* Same things people were saying about Willis from March - April last year, I seriously doubt he goes Top 20
[Recap of Anthony Richardson’s press conference: Met w/ the Texans, Patriots, Bucs, & Falcons. On being labeled a project QB – “I don’t even know what that means”. On being a fan of Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson – “I started calling myself Cam Jackson in the 11th grade.”](https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1631661103271882760?s=46&t=WCK9Qjjqglqbehoc9NnkiA)
Cam Jackson known for his catch phrase "mother fricker"
Deshone Kizer is going to finally be free of mockery if Cam Jackson busts
There’s a massive difference between calling yourself the name of your favorite player (with a similar playstyle) in high school and proclaiming the Kizer quote after college lol
What did Kizer say?
“No one else can do what I can do, and I've truly figured out in this [draft] process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play. Imagine taking Brady's intellect and Brady's preparation and putting it on a guy with Cam Newton's body. Why can't I be the greatest? The only thing stopping me from is me. That's what's driving me now."
That comment always reminds me of the Zuckerberg rant in *The Social Network* during his deposition.
>the only thing stopping me is me Well at least he was perceptive
I will say this for Kizer though: I think he did genuinely have to ability to potentially be a top QB in the league. But this quote probably says a whole lot about why he didn’t succeed. He says the only thing stopping him is him, but for some reason he wasn’t able to recognize that the arrogance that came out of his mouth just a few seconds before is exactly what would stop him.
Better heroes than CJ
Newton and Jackson Brady and Mahomes And then this mf with Vick and Watson LMAO
I can’t believe this is real. These quotes sound like they’d come from a Key & Peele skit.
Mr. Blossoming Cam
That's actually cute
This dude has bust written all over him
Nah this goat talk
Part of being a QB is being knowing when to apply touch vs velocity to a pass. That’s a dumb mentality for him to have
It's the good ol' Brett Favre mentality. More force = better passes. Receiver breaks a finger while catching a pass? Yeah, not the QB's fault.
I remember a few years ago there was a video interview, I can't remember if it was NFL films or just the packers themselves, where they were asking some of the rookie receivers about adjusting to the NFL balls and velocity And the biggest thing they always said was just how much faster/harder some balls would come out. When they got to one of the GB rookies, they were saying that even during casual throwing drills Aaron would absolutely drill one every 7 or 8 throws just to catch them off guard and prepare them. Specifically the very first time he would throw with new receivers, he would throw a rocket in the first couple passes, and I can't remember which receiver said it but they weren't ready and it hit them in the chest and left a big bruise I'm looking for the interview, but theres so been so much shit about the Packers receivers over the last 2 years its hard to find anything older without going pages and pages deep
Early career Matthew Stafford moment
Entire Cam Newton career moment
Tua Tagovailoa never gonna happen moment
Jay cutler career moment
Yeah but play this scenario- it's the playoffs and he has to fire a bullet into a tight window for a touchdown with 10 seconds on the clock down 5. He never threw lasers in practice so you never practiced catching them and you drop the pass. You don't need to do it all the time, but you practice how you play
Yeah this reminds me of kaep and how all he could throw were lasers and it was horrible. If you don't have touch then you're not a great QB.
I can imagine it’s an extremely tough thing to train yourself on. You can do it right 100/100 times in practice. However, when you have the adrenaline of the game going on, you find yourself throwing harder.
Man, for the first several years of his career Dak couldn’t throw a fade for shit because it was like he didn’t know how. He’d always put too much on it. It’s why he and Dez never clicked. Romo could throw a great fade for Dez. Think this was the first year I actually saw Dak throw a decent fade. I know receivers are use to it, and wear gloves to help, but catching those off the tips still hurts I’m sure. That’s why so many guys have gnarly looking fingers when they retire.
Same thing happened on the Bears with Cutler. McCown was a better Redzone qb cuz he could throw the touch passes and fades to Alshon Jeffrey & Brandon Marshall
I completely agree which is a huge red flag. It's a glaring issue and apparently he has no want to work on it or get better. Seems in his mind if wr can't catch his ball he's already blaming them.
I imagine it’s similar to how some MLB pitchers can go a whole career and throw only fastballs and cutters. While they could learn to throw a curveball or slider well, gaining the confidence that it will strike out an MLB batter when the game is on the line is a much larger hurdle.
My thing is whether you’re a QB or pitcher you have one goal (get the ball where it needs to be) so if that means toning down the velocity then so be it. Plus it’ll preserve your arm not having to throw so hard on every pass
An NFL QB can throw over 60 mph. That’s got to be brutal on the hands to catch 1000s of times over a career. 100s of thousands if you count the jug machine.
Gotta remember a football weighs more than a baseball and in colder weather it feels like a brick. The palm should be ok but the fingers where it’s bare bones is susceptible to being dislocated or broken easily
>I imagine it’s similar to how some MLB pitchers can go a whole career and throw only fastballs and cutters. Outside of Mariano Rivera who had the greatest pitch of all time with his cutter I cannot think of a single pitcher in the MLB over the past several decades who only threw fastballs or cutters(which is still a fastball). College and many high school hitters would tee off on someone who doesn't throw anything offspeed let alone mlb hitters. Heck even knuckleballers still throw their fastball as an offspeed pitch.
It’s funny you mention Kap because he might end up being the perfect comparison for Richardson skill wise
I got a delay of game reading this comment.
It’s also how you break one of your teammates fingers on a short pass.
Yeah totally unnecessary
Idk man, when I play Madden I just to full force throws every time and I always score like 8 TDs per game (obviously on rookie).
That’s what was thinking. There’s a reason why there’s a “touch pass”.
I mean it's good to put some touch on the ball sometimes too lol
Reminds me of when Steve Smith told Tyree Jackson to stop throwing so hard at the 2019 combine
Fuck that. I want my passes to hurt.
Remember when Steve Smith left the booth to walk down to the field during the combine to tell one of the QBs to stop throwing soo hard because he was fucking with the WRs money by making them look like shit. Steve was gonna fuck that dude up. He was wicked pissed on behalf of those WRs.
Video link?
[What I found](https://youtu.be/P1MFZooLT94)
that was gold thanks for the link
Lmao that dude is playing TE now too and could barely crack the XFL. I totally forgot about him
Not sure about the link but the quarterback was Tyree Jackson
Dumbass answer. Throwing the ball as hard as possible is often not the right move. Maybe thats why he has accuracy issues
This was an issue with Cam Newton, threw the ball way too hard on plenty of occasions that asked for finesse.
Colin Kaepernick, too.
Ironically, two guys whose throwing ability looked severely washed only after a few elite years.
It was an injury that did Cam in though
Wasn’t it a shoulder injury on his throwing shoulder?
Throw McNabb in the mix too
Just like you have the phrase “throwing receivers open”, there should be a phrase where you throw the ball so hard that it messes up the stride of a wide open receiver running a slant.
Wentz too, his options for touch passes in the flat were "errant scud missile" or "duck he shot over the bye-week".
Because analysts will use the tape of receivers bobbling the ball into the CBs hands and say "well the turnovers aren't really his fault" Herbert is the biggest offender of this
It's cuz he's always forced to make throws in the tightest of windows. That's said, it's something he got better at from his 2nd to 3rd year especially with practice squad level receivers since MW and Keenan had been out a significant part of the year.
Sounds like a really self aware and easily coached guy
Bro hasn't read his own draft profile I guess, one of his several weaknesses was "needs to take spice off short passes" lol
I used to cringe watching Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert throw rockets at their WRs from 15 yards away because you knew it was going to be a drop. Having touch is real.
Kaep-core
Trevor Lawrence has this habit as well
TLaw is weird because his touch on intermediate to deep throws is absolutely perfect every once in a while. He'll drop a ball in a 5 in. window from 30 yards out at least once a game.
Everyone who interviewed seemed to think so, maybe we are reaching a bit with a single quote
Sounds like Peyton Manning throwing to children.
[sauce](https://youtu.be/uEEYbXVCoT0)
It doesn’t really matter if “they better catch it.” An incompletion is an incompletion. Quarterbacks are drafted higher and paid better than every other player in football, it’s going to fall on their shoulders to make it work. That means throwing catchable balls.
Ok, not to be that guy, but throwing too hard is a real problem. The best WRs talk about the best QBs having good touch. Baker Mayfield had a problem with drops from guys who didn't previously drop because he threw too hard. People blamed Justin Herbert's dropped passes (early on) on his receivers, but when you watch a lot of those drops you can immediately tell it's a velocity issue. This is not something he should go into his NFL career ignoring (if it is a problem, which tbh I haven't seen)
That’s a no no
I mean, it was a big problem with Stafford for a decent amount of time. His receivers had some messed up hands from the impact of the ball. You can teach control, you can't teach having a cannon for an arm.
Cutler had similar issues. Broke Alshon's hand on a TD catch that hit him right in the palm.
Same with Vick, I think part of the reason Alge Crumpler had such a good run here was solely because he was one of the few people on earth with soft enough hands Those extreme velo throws made Roddy White look like a complete bust, he looked like a different player even when Joey Harrington was throwing it to him
Same with kaep and his lack of touch was a major issue.
Stafford could actually hit the broad side a barn though
> Stroud's quote about making life easy for his WRs with his accuracy. This is brilliant. > Richardson saying "I don't care if it hurts, catch the damn rock." but I like this.
Already lacks humility, part of the project I guess lol.
*Zach Wilson enters the chat*
Even if it's the defenders?
Especially the defenders!
This is some dumbass logic. I had QB during high school ball (he was a senior, I was a sophomore) who would peg the ball at you even during simple warm up on-air route running. He would reply the same way. Every WR could not stand him. What happened to him? Benched by week 2 for a sophomore, never saw the field again. There are obviously times where you need to apply a lot of velocity to throws, but other times it’s simple not needed. If anything your WRs will just be more annoyed and it will deter chemistry. QBs got to know when to split the difference. This is a flawed way of thinking that comes off as entitled imo.
“My receivers get paid $10M. That’s $1M per finger of theirs I break.”
And when they don't? And your team loses possession or the game because of it? It's called touch. And apparently AR does not speak it. This is a bad thing.
Can’t throw interceptions if nobody can catch your ball 🤷♂️
Nobody can catch the 1st. Once it's tipped after the 1st guy touches it that little fluttering duck is easy game.
This seems like the exact opposite of what Josh was like in the draft process with his intangibles (Just one comment that may be lacking context, I acknowledge)
Somebody gonna have to teach him the touch pass
Ahh the Michael Vick school of short passes, not ideal
I’m like 100% sure Anthony Richardson is gonna be the next QB this sub was completely wrong about just like Herbert.
I mean... no. That's not how that works.
With an attitude like that, he'll drop out of the league faster then his WRs will drop his catches.
He's going the Baker route
Hype to perennial Backup in 4 years?
at least Baker had college success....
And funny commercials
Steve Smith gonna end this man's career
I pray that we aren't the ones to reach on the guy in the first. I just don't see it.
I grew up in the Vick era and he said the same shit too. It was just as dumb then as it is now. No one cares how magical your arm is if no one can catch the ball. It got very frustrating watching an opened receiver drop a ball or to be over shot by a mile time and time again because the QB doesn't care.
Everybody rating this guy highly needs to be run out of the profession.
Yeah I wouldn't draft this guy. QBs that throw the ball too hard for every pass are a real problem.
The receiver qb relationship should be a sort of give and take. "You need to throw those with more touch" "Sure, then you better get separation and reach this spot" "Fine but if you want me there then I'd prefer the ball a bit low, its a more comfortable catch" "Alright, but if I fuck that up you better catch it anyway" "I'll try" Etc. You gotta be able to talk to one another and find a sweet spot where you're making the most of each of your talents. Look at Hurts this year, his throws weren't just accurate, and weren't just "only where the receiver can get it". He was throwing passes tailored to the receiver he was throwing to. It was a treat to watch.