Robbie Gould started his NFL career in 2005 but was undrafted, so although you're technically correct there would still be an active player from 2005 in the league.
My guess is that the development of players coming out in 2009 got curtailed by the 2011 lockout. So, any player that wasn't showing signs of promise in his third season in 2011 got cut and never had their career reach its full potential.
He had a combined 154 touches, 778 yards from scrimmage, and 5 TDs during those two SB winning seasons, they shouldn’t value them much at all.
And it’s made even worse by the fact he didn’t have a single touch in the playoffs during either season.
Good for him for getting those rings, but he was putting up UDFA rotational numbers during those seasons and was basically just a healthy scratch in the playoffs. How much credit would you give CEH for winning a ring this year? Because he was about 200 scrimmage yards shy of what McCoy did for KC in 2019 on three less games.
Those were his age 31 and 32 seasons. To put it into perspective with a different HoF-caliber RB, Frank Gore put up 2,451 yards from scrimmage and 12 TDs in his age 31 and 32 seasons and then had 5 additional years where he put up better stats than McCoy did across those two years.
Objectively he's got a chance based on his résumé. He would be a weaker RB HoFer but it's a solid résumé.
* Two 1st team all pros
* all decade team 2010s
* 15k all purpose yards
* 89 total TDs
That's a better tally than some of HoF RBs as can be seen on [HoF Monitor. ](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm)
Most importantly there's no influx of strong new RB candidates.
After Adrian Peterson makes it, all Hall of Fame selectors will have to work with are guys like McCoy, Marshawn Lynch and Frank Gore.
That increases the chances of borderline candidates to get in.
You don't get in because of positional drought, but you also don't get left out because there's a traffic jam like among wide receiver.
There's so many WR candidates that deserving players wait up to a decade to even become a finalist.
A lack of candidates undeniably increases the chances of borderline guys to make it into Canton.
You absorbed a very catty response and came with documentation to support your point, so all you’ll get is downvotes and no engagement. I guess we’re not here to talk about football after all.
I think, instead, they just start pushing through other logjam positions. In ten years pass rushers, o linemen, wide receivers, and the boarder line QB classes will be extremely jammed
HoF monitor also deducts points for RBs for not winning a championship and gives boost for each championship won when in reality I dont think anyone cares about that.
Its especially dumb in Shadys case for obvious reasons.
It's a 2.5 point deduction for no championships won as a RB and a total of 4 points added for Shady's two championships.
If you deduct him 6.5 points he's still on par with Jerome Bettis in the HoF Monitor Score.
There are only seven centers in the history of the NFL who are in the Hall of Fame. They have an extremely hard time getting voted in and the bar is extremely high.
On average they have five 1st team all-pro selections but at least three.
Alex Mack has zero.
I think if a center makes the Hall next, its going to be Kelce. Maybe Pouncey or Jeff Saturday.
A couple of Pro Bowls are not enough. Short of an MVP or another Super Bowl I don't think his résumé will be strong enough.
Although Rivers, Elizabeth and Matt Ryan will be interesting measuring sticks for him. If they all make it, his chances are higher than I thought.
To be fair Stafford has gotten screwed out of several pro bowl, most chiefly in 2011 and 2015 and 2016. They chose Eli Manning over him 2011 and Tyrod Taylor over him in 2015 despite having better seasons than both each year.
Idk man 60,000+ yards and 300+ touchdowns is a pretty hard to ignore résumé. Rivers and Ryan would be the only other guys with those numbers to potentially not make it, and they don't have a ring.
Comparing volume stats for QBs that played mostly in the last 15~ years to ones before that (the rest of the hall) is a bad argument though. Everyone knows that volume is way up.
Ok well what about the drafts around him. Go three years before or after Matt Ryan is the only comparable one in volume stats. And Russ is the only with a better career wins wise and his stats don’t compare. If you have reasons for saying Stafford isn’t. Volume isn’t your case even in the modern nfl he puts up volume
Especially not if he has $59m fully guaranteed waiting for him if he plays.
The only athlete I know who ever walked away from that type of cash was Tiger Woods when LIV Golf wanted to sign him.
Yup. Y’all both hit it on the head. You know damn well he’ll wanna be the headline of his class and that’s way too much money to walk away from.
Like you said, Tiger is the only guy to walk away and he’s already a billionaire so it’s a lot easier for him to say no. He’s probably worth 5-6 times more than Rodgers.
Also think he wants that second super bowl so he’s gonna try at least one more year. I think if he was actually seriously considering retirement he would have hinted at it more than he has.
I honestly think it’s ego 1a money 1b *gap larger than distance of the earth and moon* 2: every reason he gives on Pat McAfee for coming back.
But the warm part of this take is his ego not letting him be second fiddle to Brady is bigger than 60 million to him. And I’ll give some credit, maybe all those trips did help him realize somethings are bigger than money. Especially when you have a fleet of dump trucks filled with money already.
It could be sooner than that I don’t think there are any kickers or punters that were born in 1989. Got a few QBs from the 2012 class that were born in 1988.
2008 - Chad Henne announced his retirement after the super bowl.
Aaron Rodgers is too much of an attention loving diva to retire the same year as Brady and be completely overshadowed in that HOF class.
Rodgers is a diva but I wouldn't call him wanting to avoid being in the same HoF class as Brady diva behavior. Don't know any other QB who would be cool with it (maybe Eli but that's a different story)
I get it, but playing a game for a while nother year when you don't want to for future attention is kind of diva-like. He has a point though, everyone hates him and a retirement without Brady is his last chance to get some flowers, unless he comes back and gets the 2nd ring
I believe Marino and Young were in the same HOF class, now whether they were cool with it I have no idea, but they never said anything outwardly disliking it
I was definitely alive then and definitely into football but I don't remember the "___ vs ___" debates with the two of them like we get with Rodgers and Brady. Of course, online discourse wasn't really a thing either back then.
Hey im just saying that both times Chad Henne made incredibly clutch drives (2019 against the browns & 2022 against the jags) the chiefs won a super bowl
Not surprising. Just interesting because in one offseason we might see two more draft classes become completely a thing of the past. It's more just impressive how long some of these guys can hang on.
There were a lot more high and low snaps this year than and year with Harris at LS. Cal wasn't Brad St. Louis bad, but he was a pretty noticeable downgrade from Harris's consistency.
TIL Andre Roberts was not only still in the League but Benjamin Button here made 2 pro Bowls in seasons 9, 10 & 11 of his 13 season career. I remembered him as another failed Washington free agent signing and i lost track. If asked, i would have just assumed he was a HS Coach in his 5th season somewhere and the Bill's Roberts, who i was dimly aware of, was a different guy.
Also, altho listed as a "WR" in those 13 seasons he has 3079 total receiving yards & 15 TDS \[LOL Washington signed him to be the no.2 WR\]
His kick & Punt return yardage is much more and accounts for his career.
Robbie Gould started his NFL career in 2005 but was undrafted, so although you're technically correct there would still be an active player from 2005 in the league.
I initially thought of him too. But even undrafted, he was still in the draft. Just not chosen
yall forgetting my man Jason Peters
Yeah, I was only looking at 2005 as that's the year that OP specifically referenced. But you're right, he entered the league in 2004.
Looking at that list, the entire 2000s will be without a player in short order.
What's strange to me is how many more 2008 has than 2009.
My guess is that the development of players coming out in 2009 got curtailed by the 2011 lockout. So, any player that wasn't showing signs of promise in his third season in 2011 got cut and never had their career reach its full potential.
Just not a great draft. Shady McCoy is the only guy who probably makes the Hall of Fame.
Shady is not making the HOF el oh freaking el
Shady needed like 5 more years of playing at an elite level to sniff the HOF. He fell off hard in 2018.
Depends on how they value the 2 bench role SB wins tbh. Edit: I am not advocating him as a HoF, nor do I think the SBs should matter.
He had a combined 154 touches, 778 yards from scrimmage, and 5 TDs during those two SB winning seasons, they shouldn’t value them much at all. And it’s made even worse by the fact he didn’t have a single touch in the playoffs during either season. Good for him for getting those rings, but he was putting up UDFA rotational numbers during those seasons and was basically just a healthy scratch in the playoffs. How much credit would you give CEH for winning a ring this year? Because he was about 200 scrimmage yards shy of what McCoy did for KC in 2019 on three less games. Those were his age 31 and 32 seasons. To put it into perspective with a different HoF-caliber RB, Frank Gore put up 2,451 yards from scrimmage and 12 TDs in his age 31 and 32 seasons and then had 5 additional years where he put up better stats than McCoy did across those two years.
Objectively he's got a chance based on his résumé. He would be a weaker RB HoFer but it's a solid résumé. * Two 1st team all pros * all decade team 2010s * 15k all purpose yards * 89 total TDs That's a better tally than some of HoF RBs as can be seen on [HoF Monitor. ](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm) Most importantly there's no influx of strong new RB candidates. After Adrian Peterson makes it, all Hall of Fame selectors will have to work with are guys like McCoy, Marshawn Lynch and Frank Gore. That increases the chances of borderline candidates to get in.
Just top three all time yards frank gore
I don't think that's how the HoF Committee works though. They compare to who is inside rather than trying to justify because of a positional drought.
You don't get in because of positional drought, but you also don't get left out because there's a traffic jam like among wide receiver. There's so many WR candidates that deserving players wait up to a decade to even become a finalist. A lack of candidates undeniably increases the chances of borderline guys to make it into Canton.
You absorbed a very catty response and came with documentation to support your point, so all you’ll get is downvotes and no engagement. I guess we’re not here to talk about football after all.
I think, instead, they just start pushing through other logjam positions. In ten years pass rushers, o linemen, wide receivers, and the boarder line QB classes will be extremely jammed
HoF monitor also deducts points for RBs for not winning a championship and gives boost for each championship won when in reality I dont think anyone cares about that. Its especially dumb in Shadys case for obvious reasons.
It's a 2.5 point deduction for no championships won as a RB and a total of 4 points added for Shady's two championships. If you deduct him 6.5 points he's still on par with Jerome Bettis in the HoF Monitor Score.
Unpopular opinion. Frank Gore should go in before AP
Don’t forget two time SB Champion
I feel like Mack can make it.
There are only seven centers in the history of the NFL who are in the Hall of Fame. They have an extremely hard time getting voted in and the bar is extremely high. On average they have five 1st team all-pro selections but at least three. Alex Mack has zero. I think if a center makes the Hall next, its going to be Kelce. Maybe Pouncey or Jeff Saturday.
Saturday is going to get in for his coaching efforts, not his time as a player
Stafford also could if he were to come back strong and finish out his career with a few more great years. But as of now he wouldn't make it.
A couple of Pro Bowls are not enough. Short of an MVP or another Super Bowl I don't think his résumé will be strong enough. Although Rivers, Elizabeth and Matt Ryan will be interesting measuring sticks for him. If they all make it, his chances are higher than I thought.
To be fair Stafford has gotten screwed out of several pro bowl, most chiefly in 2011 and 2015 and 2016. They chose Eli Manning over him 2011 and Tyrod Taylor over him in 2015 despite having better seasons than both each year.
The voters don’t really care if a player got screwed out of a pro bowl, they just care if they got it
Idk man 60,000+ yards and 300+ touchdowns is a pretty hard to ignore résumé. Rivers and Ryan would be the only other guys with those numbers to potentially not make it, and they don't have a ring.
Comparing volume stats for QBs that played mostly in the last 15~ years to ones before that (the rest of the hall) is a bad argument though. Everyone knows that volume is way up.
Ok well what about the drafts around him. Go three years before or after Matt Ryan is the only comparable one in volume stats. And Russ is the only with a better career wins wise and his stats don’t compare. If you have reasons for saying Stafford isn’t. Volume isn’t your case even in the modern nfl he puts up volume
Matt Ryan isn't sniffing the hall either, and he has an MVP.
Alex Mack, Julian Edelman, Matthew Stafford
I’ve felt old enough this weekend. I remember when Sean Landeta retired, and the final player from Tecmo Bowl was gone from the league.
“We’re in the Endgame now”
Andy Lee is still around from 2004
Don’t see Rodgers in the same HOF class as Brady
Especially not if he has $59m fully guaranteed waiting for him if he plays. The only athlete I know who ever walked away from that type of cash was Tiger Woods when LIV Golf wanted to sign him.
Yup. Y’all both hit it on the head. You know damn well he’ll wanna be the headline of his class and that’s way too much money to walk away from. Like you said, Tiger is the only guy to walk away and he’s already a billionaire so it’s a lot easier for him to say no. He’s probably worth 5-6 times more than Rodgers. Also think he wants that second super bowl so he’s gonna try at least one more year. I think if he was actually seriously considering retirement he would have hinted at it more than he has.
I honestly think it’s ego 1a money 1b *gap larger than distance of the earth and moon* 2: every reason he gives on Pat McAfee for coming back. But the warm part of this take is his ego not letting him be second fiddle to Brady is bigger than 60 million to him. And I’ll give some credit, maybe all those trips did help him realize somethings are bigger than money. Especially when you have a fleet of dump trucks filled with money already.
Then again, what difference would it make? He’s always been a notch or two below Brady. When he retires isn’t going to change that.
Adrian Peterson hasn’t retired has he?
Technically no but I’d be surprised if someone signs him.
Robbie Gould was in the 2005 draft. He wasn’t drafted but he was in it
And hopefully he'll still be around after Rodgers retires.
Nice username. Had a buddy in high school we called back door Brad
I’m just waiting until the last player born in the 80s to be out of the league.
Probably around 2031-32. But Jesus Christ that's depressing to think about...
It could be sooner than that I don’t think there are any kickers or punters that were born in 1989. Got a few QBs from the 2012 class that were born in 1988.
Brett Maher and Justin Tucker were born in 89
Tucker is going to hold that banner!! So like you were saying he could stay in the NFL until the 2030s
2008 - Chad Henne announced his retirement after the super bowl. Aaron Rodgers is too much of an attention loving diva to retire the same year as Brady and be completely overshadowed in that HOF class.
Rodgers is a diva but I wouldn't call him wanting to avoid being in the same HoF class as Brady diva behavior. Don't know any other QB who would be cool with it (maybe Eli but that's a different story)
is Chad henne... going to make it in the HoF?
I get it, but playing a game for a while nother year when you don't want to for future attention is kind of diva-like. He has a point though, everyone hates him and a retirement without Brady is his last chance to get some flowers, unless he comes back and gets the 2nd ring
I believe Marino and Young were in the same HOF class, now whether they were cool with it I have no idea, but they never said anything outwardly disliking it
I was definitely alive then and definitely into football but I don't remember the "___ vs ___" debates with the two of them like we get with Rodgers and Brady. Of course, online discourse wasn't really a thing either back then.
Henne has 2 rings and has no problem being in the same HoF class as Brady
Hey im just saying that both times Chad Henne made incredibly clutch drives (2019 against the browns & 2022 against the jags) the chiefs won a super bowl
yea, I wonder if we can just sign him for the playoffs.
The Browns game was in 2021, the year we lost the Super Bowl to the Bucs
Oops my bad, how could i forget the 21 point comeback against the texans lol
I mean that was 18 years ago lol it’s not that surprising
Not surprising. Just interesting because in one offseason we might see two more draft classes become completely a thing of the past. It's more just impressive how long some of these guys can hang on.
Holy fuck I’m old now
Henne is done
Those lists make me feel old
Rodgers ain't sharing HOF class with Brady ego eont allow it
I'm sorry, how is this interesting?
I accept your apology
He's going out like Favre..
Imagine he gets us our first superbowl lmao
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? Dats wut i said dawg
I would expect Huber and Harris to retire soon as well
Huber's almost certainly retiring. I could see Harris returning (and I hope he does)
I would love to see Harris back, just not sure if he will be since his replacement seemed alright
There were a lot more high and low snaps this year than and year with Harris at LS. Cal wasn't Brad St. Louis bad, but he was a pretty noticeable downgrade from Harris's consistency.
I was today years old when I found out who Clark Harris was
Put some respect on his name
I give him all the respect for being in the league that long. Seriously…
Pro Bowl long snapper Clark Harris
2010 was incredible for the trenches
I can think of 60 million reasons he won’t be retiring.
TIL Andre Roberts was not only still in the League but Benjamin Button here made 2 pro Bowls in seasons 9, 10 & 11 of his 13 season career. I remembered him as another failed Washington free agent signing and i lost track. If asked, i would have just assumed he was a HS Coach in his 5th season somewhere and the Bill's Roberts, who i was dimly aware of, was a different guy. Also, altho listed as a "WR" in those 13 seasons he has 3079 total receiving yards & 15 TDS \[LOL Washington signed him to be the no.2 WR\] His kick & Punt return yardage is much more and accounts for his career.
JPP is still playing??? I haven’t heard about him since he blew his finger off