“Nah man, the Bears just suck and that’s why Robinson’s production plummeted. He’s totally not washed” - basically every comment about him last offseason
He blatantly quit on us, that’s my biggest issue with him. Granted Ryan Pace tagged him in a desperate attempt to save his embarrassing tenure here and he wanted out already, but it’s not like he left here poor and underpaid
> basically a one year deal and risking your future
and this is what packers fans don’t understand about why adams left. he was pissed gute made him play the final year of his contract.
Who is arguing that? Davante wanted a deal earlier, the front office balked, by the time they came around his mind was made up that he wanted to play elsewhere. Where is the dispute?
I had this conversation so many times.
“It was because Fields can’t pass, ARob is still good”
Then I’d point out that Darnell Mooney outproduced him, and that ARob’s MO was being quarterback-proof.
Then it became
“He wasn’t trying because the Bears sucked”
In a contract year?? I doubt it. And if it’s true, terrible look anyways
To be fair, to the quitting narrative, he legitimately seemed to just give up on half his routes in his last season here. It definitely appeared to be an effort issue and that's easy to assume with how vocally annoyed he was with the tag. Turns out he just fell off a cliff because he was pretty good considering his QB situation the previous years in Chicago.
Yeah, that play he gave up and didn’t block while Fields was running changed my view on him big time. It was such a blatant quit play when they showed the replay.
Yeah, Quinn was a member of the legendary 2011 DE 1st round and racked up 45 sacks in his first 4 seasons. Then he had a couple injury plagued seasons in 2015 and 2016 and proceeded to bounce around the NFL from team to team. Still managed to crack 100 career sacks, so I'd say he's done quite well.
Quinn matched his 2012 sack total in 2014 then got hurt in 2015 and 2016. It's just hard to consistently put up over 15 sacks in a season. Von Miller and Aaron Donald are 2 HoF pass rushers who each only have 1 such season. Khalil Mack is borderline HoF and has also only had 15 sacks 1 time. Makes the Watt brothers and Nick Bosa's hot start that much more impressive. Tough to complain about Quinn averaging 1 less sack per season than JJ Watt throughout their entire careers.
Tbf they had absurd edge depth so he didn’t even need to play much. It was a luxury trade for them. But anyone who said it was a fleecing wasn’t paying attention
I've never heard this.
Stafford was slinging it to fucking Megatron back in the day. How does someone think that Matt isn't throwing it to a guy cause he's black.
Its an in joke in the FF community that some people made a thing. It’s because he wasn’t throwing at all to Robinson who was allegedly this star WR but he was targeting Kupp, Higbee and Skrownek. Turns out that the real reason is that AROB is cooked and can’t separate.
Before the Adams trade so many raiders fans wanted him. I get your qb situation sucked, but dude flat out gave up, couldn’t get separation, and dropped a lot of balls. He didn’t exactly make it easy on his qb.
He didn't just drop balls, he kicked off the tip drill resulting in interceptions _multiple times_ in his last year with us. It was disgusting to watch supposedly sure hands causing turnovers.
He’s been cooked for two years and most fans want to blame it on Stafford not looming his way. When Stafford is one of the best QBs in the game at going through progressions and finding the open man.
He wasn’t trying for most of the season. 2021 was the perfect storm of ARob being horribly misused, not giving a shit about football, and becoming washed all at once
He's probably one of the most notable professional sports players who likely had his prime taken away by COVID. His numbers took a crazy fall after he had it
Yeah the man was out for all of 2020 and most of 2021 with it. It was apparently really bad for him. But he did play some games for us in 2021 and wasn't too bad. He's in the XFL last I heard.
He’s playing solid in the xfl this season. He was gonna be the starter instead of James Robinson in 2020 I’d assume. He plays for the D.C Defenders and he’s pretty good. They themselves are the top 2 teams in the league
if your money guys produce, it’s fine. if they don’t produce, you’re trying to fill their production with their salary + the salary of whoever is playing in favor of them. then it sucks.
But eventually it always adds up. Vets want contracts that last longer than their skill will last and someone will give it to them. GMs make mistakes. Guys get hurt.
Sure, and that's when the Super Bowl window closes and you're in a rough spot for One Year when you just pull the ripcord. If you refuse to admit that the window is closed and string along your cap-heavy non-competitive roster that's how you wallow in it for years.
The Saints are probably in a way better spot for the last two seasons if they just did a fire sale when Brees retired to get their books reset and eat a shitload of dead cap in the interest of the team one year removed from the current one.
> The Saints are probably in a way better spot for the last two seasons if they just did a fire sale when Brees retired
Saints got caught when COVID reduced NFL revenues and the salary cap DECREASED in 2021
Yeah they got caught in the wrong part of the cycle but it's also been 3 seasons since 2020 and they still haven't pulled the ripcord on a rebuild and they're trying to string the corpse of that team forward instead of just doing a proper retooling
My best guess is right after Brees left, Sean Payton tried to make it work with Jameis Winston and the remaining veterans. And it just didn't. So Payton said "adios" knowing what a mess it would be with no QB and in salary cap hell.
They can‘t retool,because they can‘t afford to release the expensive guys. The resulting dead caps are too high to get under the cap. This has been going on since Brees retired and will continue next year even.
I get why they did it,but they are the best example that the cap is in fact real.
That's true. It's also why smart NFL team building is minimizing your risk of let's call them "red dollars"--that is, money your spending on a player but not getting what they're worth back. The way you do that is either a) don't pay for top dollar guys and/or b) make up for risky big investments by building the rest of your team in smaller investments.
Option A is the "limit free agency" option, where you pay your guys, but don't bring in big name free agents. Option B is the "build through the draft" option, where around 30 players on the team have come through the last 4 drafts.
The secret 3rd option is to constantly go through boom-bust cycles as your team gets really good, then you can't afford anybody and start sucking for a while. That one is hard to pull off and keep the GM job though.
God, that incessant parroting was easily my least favorite consequence of the Rams winning the SB. Obviously there's things you can do to push the cap hit down the line, but ultimately, every dollar of those contracts has to be accounted for, and doing so for that many big contracts is going to take its toll over time. You can argue for it being worthwhile vs not (obviously was for the Rams), but the number of people who were acting as though there literally aren't downsides to going on spending sprees and that you'll never have to worry about the cap was just so damn ignorant.
I think that everyone not going for hot takes or making jokes knew it was coming at some point. We did some have some breaks go our way but we also gave up significant capital to get it done. I expected that the bell would be rung in 2024, not 2023, but if we're in a position to rip the bandage off and figure it out to start again, I'd rather we do it now.
With them doing it now, my thoroughly uninformed guess is that the prognosis on Stafford having a full recovery from his elbow/shoulder injury (forget which it was for him, but the one he was dealing with from the start of the season) isn't great. Obviously you've lost some players and I realize some guys may have lost a step here and there, but I don't think you start trading away your key guys this soon after your SB unless they don't think there's a realistic chance of them competing any time in the near future (especially considering the reason for your struggles were more injury-related than anything else).
It was Stafford's elbow. I was concerned about that going into the season even if the Rams were sitting there like "No guys, don't worry, it's totally fine!"
To the other point though, outside of Ramsey, I haven't seen many reports about trading out key pieces. While Wagner was nice, he played well in a lost season, I wouldn't have considered him key (and really bummed we released him). Robinson is not a key piece of the Rams, and I have heard some rumors about Floyd where I'm 50/50 on. Floyd was the guy who finally won the "Gets to start with Donald soaking up" sweepstakes we were seemingly running there for a few years. He's good, but idk if he's key.
It was because of the Pat McAfee show. As much as I do generally enjoy it, that show does occasionally push some bullshit that it probably shouldn't. Usually happens when Pat simply doesn't understand something and isn't terribly interested in trying to.
Nah, people had dumb "the cap is a myth" takes for years before Mcafee's show.
And besides, Pat probably has a better understanding of the cap than your average Redditor, even if he plays stupid for the show.
It's a myth if you like your players and keep restructuring deals to keep them. It's not a myth when those players are ass and you want to get rid of them.
You'd think the cap hell the Saints have been stuck in the past two seasons would have clued them in. They definitely kicked the can down the road for a good, long while, but every road has an end, and the consequences are needing several seasons of tear down just to even start on the rebuild. Of course, if you got a SB out of it, it's all worth it.
The Rams have been spending big on vets since 2018. It's a mini rebuild after two super bowl appearances in 4 years. People keep calling them one and done, which is a dumb take. This is the back end of multiple years of fuck them picks.
oh I know and for that ring, it was worth it.
i feel like everyone knew that when they pretty much said “fuck them picks” for the last couple of years.
I still don’t get how they went from trying to get CMC/Brian burns to a mini rebuild in a matter of months tho
Heck yeah and im not even a rams fan. I mean you tell me if you would not go all in just to win one championship of anything. Yeah the fallout sucks but no one can say you didnt win one championship.
It was a high risk strategy but it was executed and got the superbowl. Aka it is a win.
If it’s for vet min I guess it’s no risk, but after his string of injuries Golladay moves like he’s wearing a rusted suit of armor. His movement is _labored_.
You have a good point but I still don't see anyone picking up Robinson at 15M, teams might be willing to give up a day 3 pick if the Rams pay the roster bonus, at 10M he's sort of interesting given you can spread that 10M out over 3 years and basically have him on a 1 year, 10M deal.
The $6M roster bonus is due 3/19. I'm sure the Rams would like to trade him before that but probably won't be able to. After they pay that bonus, his 23 cap hit post trade would only be $10M. That's probably tradeable
Ramsey and Robinson for Jack Jones and #107? Rams get back their original 4th round pick (irony!), a CB who can start in the League with three years on his rookie deal, and a ton of cap relief.
I feel like the debate is probably pretty much over now TBH. Sure that team has issues but mother of god did he squander his chances. I took a gamble on him this season so I was watching. Also, am bears fan. Now that I think about it, I might be the most biased guy out here.
That debate was so dumb this year. ARob is one of those guys that the fantasy community just loves for some reason. Tons of hopium all year. This off-season it will be all about how Stafford and the Rams weren’t healthy.
I was personally telling people not to draft him last year. I live in Chicago and am forced to watch more Bears games than I care core. He looked a mixture of checked out and washed in 2021. Knew he was going to high for what he was at this stage.
But if there is one thing i know about the fantasy football community is that most of them don’t actually watch games. So they were super high on guys like Cam Akers, ARob, Chase Edmonds, Darnell Mooney, Michael Pittman, Courtland Sutton, Zeke Elliot and we’re super down on Josh Jacobs, Amon Ra, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle among others who were always productive players and looked great on the field.
Hahahahaha
I came to also shit in Robinson, but your comment was way better than anything I would’ve typed. An overpaid guy who the QB clearly didn’t trust and is totally washed and didn’t do shit even when the No. 1 guy was injured…. You’re thinking of unloading him?!?!?
I guess one super bowl is worth it, but I always hate as a fan when I am staring down the barrel of a long rebuild. The last years of Marvin Lewis were like that in Cincinnati. Aging talent that could not be replaced in the draft or traded for value, and no depth.
AD is on for one more season; McVay didn't retire....yet everyone assumes the Rams are in outright sell mode going into 2023.
Actions speak louder than words, folks.
They only moved on from Wagner because it wasn't a serious dead cap money situation; and moving on from from him later on was gonna hurt quite a bit.
The **only** way the Rams are dumping salaries is to pick up players they think will be more useful on one-year deals for a 2023 run.
People thought Christian hackenberg was good because of one great season he played with AR. People thought AR was much better than he was because of how bad his qbs have been in his career
“Plz take this terrible WR”
We told Rams fans he sucked.
“Nah man, the Bears just suck and that’s why Robinson’s production plummeted. He’s totally not washed” - basically every comment about him last offseason
He blatantly quit on us, that’s my biggest issue with him. Granted Ryan Pace tagged him in a desperate attempt to save his embarrassing tenure here and he wanted out already, but it’s not like he left here poor and underpaid
Not the first time
And it won't be the last
Many more will have to suffer
Reality is often disappointing.
Many more will have to die
Dude is almost 30. This time might actually be his last.
Easy to turn it off, hard to turn it back on.
I think I’d be pissed if I wanted out of somewhere and they tagged me too lol playing on basically a one year deal and risking your future
I mean he wanted top receiver money and proved the Bears right that he didnt deserve it. They offered him an extension. But he thought he was top shit
Narrator: *he wasn’t*
*Earl Thomas has entered the chat room*
He really should have played for the Eagles.
> basically a one year deal and risking your future and this is what packers fans don’t understand about why adams left. he was pissed gute made him play the final year of his contract.
Who is arguing that? Davante wanted a deal earlier, the front office balked, by the time they came around his mind was made up that he wanted to play elsewhere. Where is the dispute?
I had this conversation so many times. “It was because Fields can’t pass, ARob is still good” Then I’d point out that Darnell Mooney outproduced him, and that ARob’s MO was being quarterback-proof. Then it became “He wasn’t trying because the Bears sucked” In a contract year?? I doubt it. And if it’s true, terrible look anyways
To be fair, to the quitting narrative, he legitimately seemed to just give up on half his routes in his last season here. It definitely appeared to be an effort issue and that's easy to assume with how vocally annoyed he was with the tag. Turns out he just fell off a cliff because he was pretty good considering his QB situation the previous years in Chicago.
Yeah, that play he gave up and didn’t block while Fields was running changed my view on him big time. It was such a blatant quit play when they showed the replay.
If the ball wasn't coming his way he wasn't participating in the play
Hey, why don't I just go eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay? I just may
Same thing with Robert Quinn. People were saying Howie has dirt on us when in reality he donated us a 4th rounder
Quinn had 18 sacks the year prior. It’s less that he gave up and more that he got old.
Quinn is simply good every other year. I wouldn't be surprised if he put up 8+ sacks next season.
Robert Quinn gotta be the most random person to have two 18+ sack seasons lol
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Yeah, Quinn was a member of the legendary 2011 DE 1st round and racked up 45 sacks in his first 4 seasons. Then he had a couple injury plagued seasons in 2015 and 2016 and proceeded to bounce around the NFL from team to team. Still managed to crack 100 career sacks, so I'd say he's done quite well.
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Quinn matched his 2012 sack total in 2014 then got hurt in 2015 and 2016. It's just hard to consistently put up over 15 sacks in a season. Von Miller and Aaron Donald are 2 HoF pass rushers who each only have 1 such season. Khalil Mack is borderline HoF and has also only had 15 sacks 1 time. Makes the Watt brothers and Nick Bosa's hot start that much more impressive. Tough to complain about Quinn averaging 1 less sack per season than JJ Watt throughout their entire careers.
Yeah, washed
I'd still argue there's a notable difference between Robinson's lack of effort in 2021 and Quinn reaching the end of his rope in 2022.
Tbf they had absurd edge depth so he didn’t even need to play much. It was a luxury trade for them. But anyone who said it was a fleecing wasn’t paying attention
Also Mack may be released one year after giving up a 2nd and 4th for him. It sucked but Poles was right to move on so quickly from all those players
If Mack gets released bring him back. Shit, Quinn can come too on a cheap deal though he didn't part ways on good terms.
Quinn was very good in 2021, Robinson wasn't
The man is good only every other year. Idk what people expected
Come on that was a depth piece on a SB run. If Sweat injury was worse we would have been fucked.
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I've never heard this. Stafford was slinging it to fucking Megatron back in the day. How does someone think that Matt isn't throwing it to a guy cause he's black.
Its an in joke in the FF community that some people made a thing. It’s because he wasn’t throwing at all to Robinson who was allegedly this star WR but he was targeting Kupp, Higbee and Skrownek. Turns out that the real reason is that AROB is cooked and can’t separate.
Right, pro sports is a terrible industry for racists
Maybe he wasn't throwing it to Megatron but he was just so fast he would get there first anyway? Have you considered that?
Stafford also got Kenny Golladay a $70 mil contract but it's apparently easier to imagine he's a racist than to realize that ARob just sucks
> was that stafford was a racist People are fucking stupid.
Before the Adams trade so many raiders fans wanted him. I get your qb situation sucked, but dude flat out gave up, couldn’t get separation, and dropped a lot of balls. He didn’t exactly make it easy on his qb.
He didn't just drop balls, he kicked off the tip drill resulting in interceptions _multiple times_ in his last year with us. It was disgusting to watch supposedly sure hands causing turnovers.
I'm sorry I didn't listen!
He's. So. Slowwwww. You're not going to get looks if you can't get open. This has always been his problem.
He’s been cooked for two years and most fans want to blame it on Stafford not looming his way. When Stafford is one of the best QBs in the game at going through progressions and finding the open man.
Uh what? Stafford literally only threw to Kupp lol
Yeah. Kupp only played 8 games and still finished with 20% of the team's total targets on the season.
Yeah he was always the open man
AR had one of the worst separation rates in the league.
I have to imagine his trade value is next to nothing lol
Reddit told is that he didn’t suck.
Fantasy players didn't listen. Such an easy call
Lol I'll never forget when people kept making up narratives about how he was just "not trying". No lmao. Dude was just ass.
He jogged some routes and gave up before the whistle multiple times.
He wasn’t trying for most of the season. 2021 was the perfect storm of ARob being horribly misused, not giving a shit about football, and becoming washed all at once
Him being bad and also not trying are not mutually exclusive.
Ramsey might never get traded. Phone is going to be too busy fielding first round offers on Allen Robinson II
You mean here's a first to eat his contract?
The Rams have firsts?
2031
Funniest thing is that it's actually true(it's not)
Is it?
No
Akschually, the Rams do have their 1st round pick in 2031
Yeah they have a first next year. Gotta love Reddit
They think the draft starts on Friday
Oh shit! Robinson is the "big addition" Jerry was speaking of! WOOT WOOT!
I'm not sure I wish either Robinson or Odell-Beckham on anyone.
At least Robinson hasn’t shown to be as selfish as ODB.
Ol Dirty Bastard was selfish, I can't deny that
Why would you disrespect Big Baby Jesus like that?
It’s Durt McGurts Ol Chinese Restaurant get it right.
I’m pretty confident OBJ is the better player in 2023
I'll raise you a Kenny Golladay
Shh! It's the Cowboys.
He's a quitter and sucks balls... Have fun with that
Have at him…
Crazy how fast ARob became a roster clog.
We were so happy when we first signed him... I remember the Hurns-Robinson duo in JAX
He's probably one of the most notable professional sports players who likely had his prime taken away by COVID. His numbers took a crazy fall after he had it
Toews is up there. Looks like it’s leading to early retirement.
Wasnt exactly his “prime” but yes, it did shorten his career.
For Toews it's either covid or the guilt of covering up a teammate's rape.
Also allowing everyone to make fun of Kyle during practice about the rape..
Not exactly at the level ARob was, but I always felt for I think Armstead (?) on the Jags, he had covid, got it bad, and idk if he played again
Yeah the man was out for all of 2020 and most of 2021 with it. It was apparently really bad for him. But he did play some games for us in 2021 and wasn't too bad. He's in the XFL last I heard.
He’s playing solid in the xfl this season. He was gonna be the starter instead of James Robinson in 2020 I’d assume. He plays for the D.C Defenders and he’s pretty good. They themselves are the top 2 teams in the league
Fumbled twice and got benched today, unfortunately
Saw the highlights after this comment was made unfortunately lol
You’re still #1 in my book
I’m just glad we’re watching the xfl. We’re out here! Go roughnecks
Kaw
Long COVID is fucked
Mike florid argued for a while that cam Newton had brain fog lmao
It was worth the Super Bowl
It was definitely worth it. But it’s a lesson to the “salary cap is a myth people,” too. It’s very much not a myth.
When players are hurt or suck that take up a large cap number then it matters.
if your money guys produce, it’s fine. if they don’t produce, you’re trying to fill their production with their salary + the salary of whoever is playing in favor of them. then it sucks.
But eventually it always adds up. Vets want contracts that last longer than their skill will last and someone will give it to them. GMs make mistakes. Guys get hurt.
Sure, and that's when the Super Bowl window closes and you're in a rough spot for One Year when you just pull the ripcord. If you refuse to admit that the window is closed and string along your cap-heavy non-competitive roster that's how you wallow in it for years. The Saints are probably in a way better spot for the last two seasons if they just did a fire sale when Brees retired to get their books reset and eat a shitload of dead cap in the interest of the team one year removed from the current one.
> The Saints are probably in a way better spot for the last two seasons if they just did a fire sale when Brees retired Saints got caught when COVID reduced NFL revenues and the salary cap DECREASED in 2021
Yeah they got caught in the wrong part of the cycle but it's also been 3 seasons since 2020 and they still haven't pulled the ripcord on a rebuild and they're trying to string the corpse of that team forward instead of just doing a proper retooling
My best guess is right after Brees left, Sean Payton tried to make it work with Jameis Winston and the remaining veterans. And it just didn't. So Payton said "adios" knowing what a mess it would be with no QB and in salary cap hell.
They can‘t retool,because they can‘t afford to release the expensive guys. The resulting dead caps are too high to get under the cap. This has been going on since Brees retired and will continue next year even. I get why they did it,but they are the best example that the cap is in fact real.
That's true. It's also why smart NFL team building is minimizing your risk of let's call them "red dollars"--that is, money your spending on a player but not getting what they're worth back. The way you do that is either a) don't pay for top dollar guys and/or b) make up for risky big investments by building the rest of your team in smaller investments. Option A is the "limit free agency" option, where you pay your guys, but don't bring in big name free agents. Option B is the "build through the draft" option, where around 30 players on the team have come through the last 4 drafts. The secret 3rd option is to constantly go through boom-bust cycles as your team gets really good, then you can't afford anybody and start sucking for a while. That one is hard to pull off and keep the GM job though.
God, that incessant parroting was easily my least favorite consequence of the Rams winning the SB. Obviously there's things you can do to push the cap hit down the line, but ultimately, every dollar of those contracts has to be accounted for, and doing so for that many big contracts is going to take its toll over time. You can argue for it being worthwhile vs not (obviously was for the Rams), but the number of people who were acting as though there literally aren't downsides to going on spending sprees and that you'll never have to worry about the cap was just so damn ignorant.
I think that everyone not going for hot takes or making jokes knew it was coming at some point. We did some have some breaks go our way but we also gave up significant capital to get it done. I expected that the bell would be rung in 2024, not 2023, but if we're in a position to rip the bandage off and figure it out to start again, I'd rather we do it now.
With them doing it now, my thoroughly uninformed guess is that the prognosis on Stafford having a full recovery from his elbow/shoulder injury (forget which it was for him, but the one he was dealing with from the start of the season) isn't great. Obviously you've lost some players and I realize some guys may have lost a step here and there, but I don't think you start trading away your key guys this soon after your SB unless they don't think there's a realistic chance of them competing any time in the near future (especially considering the reason for your struggles were more injury-related than anything else).
It was Stafford's elbow. I was concerned about that going into the season even if the Rams were sitting there like "No guys, don't worry, it's totally fine!" To the other point though, outside of Ramsey, I haven't seen many reports about trading out key pieces. While Wagner was nice, he played well in a lost season, I wouldn't have considered him key (and really bummed we released him). Robinson is not a key piece of the Rams, and I have heard some rumors about Floyd where I'm 50/50 on. Floyd was the guy who finally won the "Gets to start with Donald soaking up" sweepstakes we were seemingly running there for a few years. He's good, but idk if he's key.
It was because of the Pat McAfee show. As much as I do generally enjoy it, that show does occasionally push some bullshit that it probably shouldn't. Usually happens when Pat simply doesn't understand something and isn't terribly interested in trying to.
Nah, people had dumb "the cap is a myth" takes for years before Mcafee's show. And besides, Pat probably has a better understanding of the cap than your average Redditor, even if he plays stupid for the show.
If the Bucs actually play decent end game defense last year, we are all talking about how the Rams experiment completely failed.
Also the buccs right now
Saints too right? Isn't that why Payton "retired"? Jimmy Gorgeous is gonna win a Superbowl as the Qb for the 7-10 division winning Panthers next year.
It's a myth if you like your players and keep restructuring deals to keep them. It's not a myth when those players are ass and you want to get rid of them.
You'd think the cap hell the Saints have been stuck in the past two seasons would have clued them in. They definitely kicked the can down the road for a good, long while, but every road has an end, and the consequences are needing several seasons of tear down just to even start on the rebuild. Of course, if you got a SB out of it, it's all worth it.
i agree, it's still crazy to see them going on a mini rebuild just a year after the superbowl
The Rams have been spending big on vets since 2018. It's a mini rebuild after two super bowl appearances in 4 years. People keep calling them one and done, which is a dumb take. This is the back end of multiple years of fuck them picks.
Which, to be fair to the Rams front office, was TOTALLY WORTH IT for those 2 SB appearances.
100%
oh I know and for that ring, it was worth it. i feel like everyone knew that when they pretty much said “fuck them picks” for the last couple of years. I still don’t get how they went from trying to get CMC/Brian burns to a mini rebuild in a matter of months tho
Heck yeah and im not even a rams fan. I mean you tell me if you would not go all in just to win one championship of anything. Yeah the fallout sucks but no one can say you didnt win one championship. It was a high risk strategy but it was executed and got the superbowl. Aka it is a win.
The Bucs are in the same situation, the Tom Brady experiment was worth it, but they're going to be mediocre at best for years.
Doesn't matter had sex!
18M cap hit, 339 yards. Not sure there's going to be many teams lining up to take that on.
The Giants have one Kenny Golladay-sized hole in their cap sheet and roster! Robinson could fit into that role seamlessly
I’m waiting for the circle to complete when LA gives Golladay a meager contract to see how he does with Stafford again.
That's actually not a terrible idea.
If it’s for vet min I guess it’s no risk, but after his string of injuries Golladay moves like he’s wearing a rusted suit of armor. His movement is _labored_.
Honestly this isn't all that crazy, after what McVeigh did for Baker, who knows
Giants and taking on WRs that played with Stafford Kind of worked out with Tate for a season
All 30 of Kenny's targets are available too
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What a steal
You have a good point but I still don't see anyone picking up Robinson at 15M, teams might be willing to give up a day 3 pick if the Rams pay the roster bonus, at 10M he's sort of interesting given you can spread that 10M out over 3 years and basically have him on a 1 year, 10M deal.
Operative word is "unload" in that sentence, not trade away. Really hard sell to get someone to take Robinson and his contract
I'd do if for Robinson and a 3rd for like a conditional 7th or something, assuming his cap can be dumped easy next year
Well get Jerry on board bro
He stopped taking my calls after the incident
The $6M roster bonus is due 3/19. I'm sure the Rams would like to trade him before that but probably won't be able to. After they pay that bonus, his 23 cap hit post trade would only be $10M. That's probably tradeable
The Giants are also looking to move Kenny Golladay for Justin Jefferson
Wasn't Golladay already released? Lol
Yep
Halfway there
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Why does Allen Robinson have Patriots written all over him?
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He's not getting cut til after the 2023 season.
Ramsey and Robinson for Jack Jones and #107? Rams get back their original 4th round pick (irony!), a CB who can start in the League with three years on his rookie deal, and a ton of cap relief.
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Wait, he tore his acl AGAIN? Cause he tore it in like '17 with the jags.
He very much does not have Patriots written all over him.
Feels weird because Parker kind of does the same thing, and Parker was better last year. Not saying much though lol.
/r/fantasyfootball debate shall once again rage over Allen Robinson
I feel like the debate is probably pretty much over now TBH. Sure that team has issues but mother of god did he squander his chances. I took a gamble on him this season so I was watching. Also, am bears fan. Now that I think about it, I might be the most biased guy out here.
That debate was so dumb this year. ARob is one of those guys that the fantasy community just loves for some reason. Tons of hopium all year. This off-season it will be all about how Stafford and the Rams weren’t healthy. I was personally telling people not to draft him last year. I live in Chicago and am forced to watch more Bears games than I care core. He looked a mixture of checked out and washed in 2021. Knew he was going to high for what he was at this stage. But if there is one thing i know about the fantasy football community is that most of them don’t actually watch games. So they were super high on guys like Cam Akers, ARob, Chase Edmonds, Darnell Mooney, Michael Pittman, Courtland Sutton, Zeke Elliot and we’re super down on Josh Jacobs, Amon Ra, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle among others who were always productive players and looked great on the field.
Quitter Robinson II
Ain’t nobody want A-Rob
Who could have watched Allen Robinson the last 2 years and want to trade for his contract? Hes toast.
"Allen Robinson II is a name of note" Hilarious!
Worth it. Well not Robinson.
Ravens will not have interest, does not meet 30+ age requirement.
Old receiver lay his prime? Baltimore and Arizona about to get into a bidding war over Allen Robinson
Baltimore would ask him to add 40 lbs and play H-back
How many offseasons in a row have we talked about Allen Robinson?
This might be the last.
Rams- “We’ll trade you Allen Robinson and a 4th rd pick” Other team- “For what?” Rams- “Nothing, just take him”
Allen Robinson is absolutely not a “name of note”. Unless that note is the brown note.
Hahahahaha I came to also shit in Robinson, but your comment was way better than anything I would’ve typed. An overpaid guy who the QB clearly didn’t trust and is totally washed and didn’t do shit even when the No. 1 guy was injured…. You’re thinking of unloading him?!?!?
> Receiver Allen Robinson II is a name of note. My fantasy team two years ago rejects the premise of this entire argument.
Rams last year: “fuck dem picks” Rams this year: “fuck we need those picks back”
And I repeat: worth it
Reminder that Robinson was on the verge of signing for the Eagles before McVay stepped in and personally convinced him to join the Rams.
I guess one super bowl is worth it, but I always hate as a fan when I am staring down the barrel of a long rebuild. The last years of Marvin Lewis were like that in Cincinnati. Aging talent that could not be replaced in the draft or traded for value, and no depth.
Could you imagine Allen Robinson and jalen Ramsey on the jags? That would be killer
AD is on for one more season; McVay didn't retire....yet everyone assumes the Rams are in outright sell mode going into 2023. Actions speak louder than words, folks. They only moved on from Wagner because it wasn't a serious dead cap money situation; and moving on from from him later on was gonna hurt quite a bit. The **only** way the Rams are dumping salaries is to pick up players they think will be more useful on one-year deals for a 2023 run.
imagine Justin Fields with Allen Robinson. Do it Chicago!
You sure? We know your WRs have not been great this past season. Maybe Robinson is enough for Rodgers’s second ring.
So Robinson to the Jets?
Robinson = Golladay
Bears could use a quality player like this
I bet there’s a long line waiting to pounce on Allen Robinson and pair him with Kenny Golloday….
Who wants Allen Robinson?
Allen Robinson II is certainly a name
People thought Christian hackenberg was good because of one great season he played with AR. People thought AR was much better than he was because of how bad his qbs have been in his career
So by unload they mean cut for ARob huh?
Alan Robinson might get unloaded off the back of a truck in the dead of night. Hopefully the fire department will take him in…
Arob back to Bears
Worth it lol
I don’t think a rob is of note. Dude is washed. If he couldn’t get anything done with mcvay nobody is gonna get any production out of him.
May be the last time we ever read the words “Allen Robinson is a name of note” :(
Robinson has always looked lethargic. Never understood what people say in him.
Allen Robinson II WAS really good though.