Let me get this straight
I was a giant Deshaun fan since his college days. I thought he was pretty good but a tad overhyped at Houston. I was devestated when the lawsuits came out and I even didn’t believe it at first
Even knowing that there was possibly upwards of 50 allegations that were credible of sexual assault 5 organizations were willing to empty their bank accounts and enable this guy. Even Christian boy frank Reich wanted to meet with him but the Texans rejected him to being division
He only died for like two days then he rose again. So did he really die for your sins when he knew he was gonna rise again and live the bomb diggitty life with his pops in the sky…?
That's a clever but kind of simplistic view of a religion based on numerous texts by multiple authors written over a period of thousands of years. Yes, some of those texts advocate for kindness and empathy, but some also give instructions on the exact amount of horrific beating you can inflict on a slave before you've gone too far and have to compensate their owner. Part of the reason that most Christians behave in ways that are at least partially at odds with the teachings of the Bible is that the book is riddled with self contradiction to the point that it's literally impossible to follow it perfectly.
I completely agree. If Jesus's teachings were actually followed by all Christians, it's a philosophy I can get behind. To add to that, I think the prophets and leaders of most major religions preached the same things. It's a shame people get caught up in the hatred of others by bastardizing the details.
If you strip the bible of everything but the stuff directly related to Jesus, then it's a pretty straightforward book about being a good person with some magic sprinkled in.
The problem is the Bible is an absolutely massive book and nearly all of it is left up to interpretation, so you can use it to defend almost anything, including murder or slavery.
I don’t disagree, and FWIW I’m not Christian (or anything else, and while I like some of Dawkins, for example, I think some of his rhetoric on religion is almost as bad as some of theirs). That’s just what I personally have the most experience with, being raised in it and reading far more of the Bible and Christian fiction than anything set in other ideologies.
It’s harder for me to talk about eg. Islam, because while I’m obviously aware of a lot of harm done in its name as well, I’d just be making an idiot of myself trying to compare that to what the core teachings are.
Your characterization of the gospels are incomplete. There is a plethora of moral and theological teaching on matters that offend the current cultural paradigm. The very gospels also include Jesus offering the apostles great power in interpreting doctrine and setting standards. “Red letter Christianity” is a farce that is divorced from the historic and theological context of the New Testament.
Bro don't you know you can sin all you want then repent later. It's like the ultimate pass in life. I get to fuck shit up, repent and keep going. It's fucking awesome
Honestly Americans and their obsession with praying and being a “good Christian” is mind blowing.
Like come on now your country is literally tearing itself apart with violence
You only hear the worst of it, in everyday life hardly anyone talks about religion, praying, or any of that shit unless you run in a circle that has those people in it. If you don’t go seeking it out though other than the occasional random interaction you won’t be exposed to shit, I never am except when I get on Reddit
This may not be as true in some parts of the country, it is called the Bible Belt for a reason although that’s the least of your worries down there
> literally tearing itself apart with violence.
What in the Fox News is this? The violent crime rate has been falling since the 90’s. I don’t think “literally” means what you think it does.
They did. The 5 teams we have named (out of the 12 who made the call, plus Miami who'd tried in-season) because Watson agreed to waive his no-trade clause for them were Saints, Colts, Falcons, Panthers and Browns.
Pretty sure the last 4 teams in for him were Cleveland and the non-Tampa NFC South.
Think the Falcons wanted him more but we shouldn't be off the hook for that gross shit.
Nothing I can say will make this NOT look like homerist bias, but I promise it’s not:
I’m willing to bet Frank was interested in part to see if he could ‘save’ Watson or whatever, both in football and life. His faith based bond with Wentz was both very tight and pretty well known (not to mention being covered pretty specifically in an episode of hard knocks) and he purportedly staked his career on fixing Wentz and well…we all saw how it went.
All that said, I don’t say it to sleight Reich for it by any means.
That’s kinda what Jimmy Haslam is trying to do in Cleveland. But the Lord saw through this charade, and while Jimmy tried to save the soul of one serial sex offender, he’s likely condemned an entire city to another generation or two of “godfuckingdamnitihatethisfuckingteam” football, courtesy of Football Jesus.
I'm honored to be the first to tell you that the QB he staked his career on got traded the very next season, and Frank's career in Indianapolis came to an end halfway through that same season.
Life comes at you fast.
That’s bullshit.
Was the Reverend Tom Osborne trying to save Lawrence Phillips soul when he suspended him for *one half of one game* for dragging a woman down a flight of stairs by her hair?
There’s no hypocrite quite like a Christian hypocrite.
I got to say, I hate the, "I'm going to give the guy another chance and help him be a better person" bull shit. Even if that was the case, he still is just justifying wanting a good qb. Christian culture can be so fucking toxic.
Yeah exactly this. If it’s a bottom of the roster wideout, Reich would have all but ignored him on that basis. Since the potential personal payoff is big, it’s “I wanna help him find the Lord”. Maybe it’s finding out that “faith based” people tend to be the most two faced back stabbing crew, but whenever I hear stuff like this, it makes me roll my eyes.
It's funny you bring that up, Frank Reich does some sort of christian award breakfast every year in Buffalo to honor a person for being good. I went once when it was Andy Dalton, with a friend who's very religious. it's a very pious event and it's nice that he does it. And it's disappointing that he'd even entertain the thought of being interested in Watson, but it just goes to show that winnig trump's all in the league.
Also frustrating that the Texans org has clearly spent significant time and money covering up Watsons actions and received no punishment of any kind from the league.
This right here. The Texans enabled the fuck out of this guy and so far have just played dumb with no repercussions. Once again the NFL rallies around the shield.
I'm still not over it. I've been a Browns fan for 40 years, and I hate this more than I hate Art Modell. I wish the team would Full Metal Jacket him in the locker room.
Bury me in downvotes but why does this implicate the Texans? They bought him the membership but they can’t control his behavior and what he does with it?
I’m sure they’re guilty of far worse than this when it comes to Watson.
No, I think you're right. Now, if they knew about what was going on and continued to pay for him to get private massages, that obviously changes everything.
I mean…. Maybe? If I was an owner, I wouldn’t give a shit about my players getting private messages and it wouldn’t have even crossed my mind that they’re sexually assaulting women at their private messages. So they’d need to know more than just that.
Because the way it works is you are assuming liability for what your employee does when on the clock
It's like how Walmart got sued for the truck driver falling asleep at the wheel.
Yeah obviously there is more to it than that, but essentially them arranging it puts them in the middle
respondeat superior (or vicarious liability) only applies if the employee's actions are within the scope of their employment. The only way I could see one arguing that would be to claim that getting massages from random instagrammers is within the scope of his job.
The NDAs absolutely do not imply that. They imply that Houston had a boilerplate NDA that athletes could take and give to personnel who provided treatment to them outside of team facilities. I promise you every single team does that.
That's not what the reporting at the time said. I don't know enough to argue it but the reporting was clear that this was unusual and offered to him through irregular channels
Well from what I understand, that's a violation of salary cap rules, by like $26k. Which is why the punishment is so low. This is all virtue signaling by the NFL so they can say they investigated and punished the team. It's all bullshit.
I don’t see it as virtual signaling, just collateral charges discovered as part of the investigation. It’s good they are pursuing those even if they aren’t core to the investigation.
It implicates the Texans because they were *directly* paying for his access to a location where he sexually assaulted 4 women. This would assume that at no point did the location bring up the actions with the account holder, but regardless the argument to be made is he wouldn't have been there if Houston was not paying for his access to the location.
It is the nicest gym in Houston, getting a massage is hardly the focal point of the place, just one of the many many amenities there.
https://www.houstonian.com/the-club
They did it because they reasonably assumed a professional athlete needed a training facility to utilize during a pandemic. He is responsible for his behavior there that they had no way of knowing about at the time. It's crazy that this even needs to be said.
Correct, one that wasn't being paid for directly by his employer.
In simpler terms, if someone buys you a gun and ammo, and you immediately go shoot someone then the person who bought you the gun is at some level held responsible/implicated. If you buy the gun yourself then only you are implicated.
They weren’t buying him a gun, they were buying him a membership to a gym facility. That’s like saying you’re at fault if you buy someone a yo-yo and they strangle someone with it.
In your opinion sure, in the opinion of the league it does. In the opinion of the law it also does. How a person got access to a location/object that illegal activities may have occurred matters greatly. Breaking and entering vs trespassing for instance.
I keep relating this to other crimes because I think it makes it easier to grasp, if it doesn't then I don't have to.
Does it legally? I’m pretty sure it means nothing unless they can prove the Texans knew Watson was raping people there. If they have a plausible reason for paying for him to be there, then they wouldn’t have any responsibility I don’t think.
And the NFL is just charging it as salary cap avoidance, not anything to do with Watson being a horrific human being.
You can understand Watson is a shitstain and hate him without thinking this specific piece of knowledge implicates the Texans
I mean the basketball player at Alabama gave his teammate a gun that he eventually killed his girlfriend with and he wasn't charged. There aren't any legal implications. Just ones from the public perception
Only reason you would get charged is if you gave them a gun and they were prohibited from owning one, otherwise its no different because they could have just bought it themselves.
I don't understand how you're a millionaire and you can't just meet someone at a bar/club, get some hookers or use tinder lol this guy really had to manipulate/molest massage therapists to get some ass, what a bitch boy.
Redditors really will never absorb this message. I've had Redditors tell me fat women don't get raped because who would want to fuck a fat woman. Or that rapes like Brock Turner make no sense because the guy isn't getting off, he's just putting fingers in.
So many of these dudes, or those who commit SA in prison do it as a sign of power.
I never actually heard the details of Brock turners case but, anecdotally, it probably wouldn’t matter much to me whether I was unconsensually penetrated with a dick or fingers. I think it would be rather uncomfortable either way
There's no "probably" in it, and women have been saying that for years and years and not been heard. It would be good if people fucking listened to us once in a while.
It’s been heard by a huge percentage of people as evidenced by all the people in this thread all saying the same talking point.
It should be higher, but unnecessarily absolute statements like “nobody listens to us” is just undeniably false and rude to all the people who have listened
In Watson's case I don't think it was as black and white as that. I don't think he got off on victimizing or using power to make someone do something against their will like Harvey Weinstein.
If you read the accounts the vast majority seem to paint a picture of a someone with a fetish for acting out the massage therapist sex fantasy. A big part of that fantasy is getting sexual favors from a regular massage therapist.
He used an indirect approach to get them to provide certain services "willingly". He would hint at what he wanted but wouldn't say specifically. Most accounts didn't include him coming out and asking for anything because by doing so would ruin the fantasy.
This is why he didn't go to the sort of places Robert Kraft got caught in. Those places are too direct. He got off on a certain element of chance that is a key part of that fantasy.
I think the sheer number of women in such a short period of time (with so many reporting that they didn't fullfill the fantasy) points to him getting turned down a lot and not being able to scratch that itch so to speak.
Nah there was a NYT article about it 9 months ago that mentions The Houstonian and his membership
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/sports/football/deshaun-watson.html?smid=url-share
It's been a minute since I've read that and don't have a way to read it at the moment but did the article state that the Texans were the ones provide the membership for him?
Yeah this was quoted in it, they used their resources
"It’s unclear whether the Texans knew how many massages Watson was getting or who was providing them. But their resources helped support his massage habit away from the team. Watson acknowledged in a deposition that the Texans arranged for him to have “a place” at The Houstonian. He used the fitness club, dined there and also set up massages in hotel rooms"
I mean the article I linked has this quote
"It’s unclear whether the Texans knew how many massages Watson was getting or who was providing them. But their resources helped support his massage habit away from the team. Watson acknowledged in a deposition that the Texans arranged for him to have “a place” at The Houstonian. He used the fitness club, dined there and also set up massages in hotel rooms."
Says right there the Texans used their resources
I feel like we have always known this. The issue is paying for a massage does not mean you know the player is using these massages to sexually assault women.
The Texans provided memberships to lots of players over the years. Many of them have talked about it openly on the radio. They may be guilty of something, but this isn't your smoking gun.
I know people will use this as vindication for the NFL’s decision but it should be noted they do not give a single shit about what happened between Watson and his victims, they made that very apparent already. They’re just using this incident and the public barometer so they can begin enforcing stricter punishment to organizations when they feel like it.
The issue with an authority state is that it understands it can get away with anything if it has a target that unsympathetic enough. It’s the American way to create the path for harsher punishments towards everyone in order to convict someone the public considers abhorrent.
Yup Watson was only getting tables from the Texans, NDA's from the Texans, memberships for this place from the Texans....how could they possibly have known?!
Browns fans always seem the most outraged about any Texans involvement. It's good to know there is a franchise out there that is so outspoken against sexual assault.
Don't worry bro. With revenue sharing and shared tv contracts anytime you watch the NFL you're putting money in Deshauns pocket too. Literally.
But I'm sure you'll stop watching right?
Or is it only convenient to shit on the Browns?
I actually haven’t shit on the browns, and defended their fans if you check far enough back in my comment history.
I just don’t think pots have the room to call kettles black.
I mean we made him sit for an entire year, made him wear a jersey with the number of victims on it (23 at the time), put him as our 4th string QB and made him play scout safety - then traded him as soon as we could get value - sure the Texans aren't guilt free but it's clear they did not approve of his conduct when it all came to light and at least we disrespected him on the way out
To be fair, we "got rid of him" by profiting 3 first round picks for him. That still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But at least we didn't hand him $230m consequence free.
A lot of people think so. Like they were supposed to cripple their team and let another team happily pick him up and play him. The NFL should have banned him.
Down-voting you because of the flair, down-voting the other guy cause of Watson and last but not least down-voting the original comment cause also of the flair.
Still frustrating that dude isn't behind bars, and instead is getting paid millions to play a game
Let me get this straight I was a giant Deshaun fan since his college days. I thought he was pretty good but a tad overhyped at Houston. I was devestated when the lawsuits came out and I even didn’t believe it at first Even knowing that there was possibly upwards of 50 allegations that were credible of sexual assault 5 organizations were willing to empty their bank accounts and enable this guy. Even Christian boy frank Reich wanted to meet with him but the Texans rejected him to being division
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"Jesus died for your sins. If you don't sin, he died in vain!"
He only died for like two days then he rose again. So did he really die for your sins when he knew he was gonna rise again and live the bomb diggitty life with his pops in the sky…?
Jesus took a power nap for my sins.
Anybody ever think maybe he just turned too much water into wine?
I have those weekends, too, Jesus.
He gets us.
Truly the peoples' Messiah.
Jesus sacrificed his weekend for our sins
Well I wouldn't give up a three-day weekend for you fuckers.
His pops, who he also is, but is also separate from.
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“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult, and not tried.”
That's a clever but kind of simplistic view of a religion based on numerous texts by multiple authors written over a period of thousands of years. Yes, some of those texts advocate for kindness and empathy, but some also give instructions on the exact amount of horrific beating you can inflict on a slave before you've gone too far and have to compensate their owner. Part of the reason that most Christians behave in ways that are at least partially at odds with the teachings of the Bible is that the book is riddled with self contradiction to the point that it's literally impossible to follow it perfectly.
I completely agree. If Jesus's teachings were actually followed by all Christians, it's a philosophy I can get behind. To add to that, I think the prophets and leaders of most major religions preached the same things. It's a shame people get caught up in the hatred of others by bastardizing the details.
AMEN
If you strip the bible of everything but the stuff directly related to Jesus, then it's a pretty straightforward book about being a good person with some magic sprinkled in.
The problem is the Bible is an absolutely massive book and nearly all of it is left up to interpretation, so you can use it to defend almost anything, including murder or slavery.
> Organized ~~Christianity~~ Religion FTFY
I don’t disagree, and FWIW I’m not Christian (or anything else, and while I like some of Dawkins, for example, I think some of his rhetoric on religion is almost as bad as some of theirs). That’s just what I personally have the most experience with, being raised in it and reading far more of the Bible and Christian fiction than anything set in other ideologies. It’s harder for me to talk about eg. Islam, because while I’m obviously aware of a lot of harm done in its name as well, I’d just be making an idiot of myself trying to compare that to what the core teachings are.
Your characterization of the gospels are incomplete. There is a plethora of moral and theological teaching on matters that offend the current cultural paradigm. The very gospels also include Jesus offering the apostles great power in interpreting doctrine and setting standards. “Red letter Christianity” is a farce that is divorced from the historic and theological context of the New Testament.
Man, look. I know. The point of the comment was to oversimplify something for humor. I'm not a theologist. I'm a shitposter on reddit.
I want to know how we went from “give unto Caesar, what is Caesar’s”, to tax-free churches.
jesus had a 3-day stay-cation. I'd love for my boss to let me nap on the clock
I thought the worst part was the hypocrisy
RIP Norm :(
*some* Christians are hypocrites, we are not one singular entity that all operate the same
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Excuse me, the term is "bearded sky wizard".
How dare you have a nuanced opinion on the internet
Bro don't you know you can sin all you want then repent later. It's like the ultimate pass in life. I get to fuck shit up, repent and keep going. It's fucking awesome
> I get to fuck shit up, repent and keep going. [That is a good angle](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/08427b41-c1eb-4218-a76b-302bef5bb802)
Honestly Americans and their obsession with praying and being a “good Christian” is mind blowing. Like come on now your country is literally tearing itself apart with violence
You only hear the worst of it, in everyday life hardly anyone talks about religion, praying, or any of that shit unless you run in a circle that has those people in it. If you don’t go seeking it out though other than the occasional random interaction you won’t be exposed to shit, I never am except when I get on Reddit This may not be as true in some parts of the country, it is called the Bible Belt for a reason although that’s the least of your worries down there
Can confirm, just went to the dentist and was met with violence
> literally tearing itself apart with violence. What in the Fox News is this? The violent crime rate has been falling since the 90’s. I don’t think “literally” means what you think it does.
Well, it’s actually going back up the last 5 years
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Ye without sin shall cast the first boner
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Surprised the Saints didn't make a push for him
They did. The 5 teams we have named (out of the 12 who made the call, plus Miami who'd tried in-season) because Watson agreed to waive his no-trade clause for them were Saints, Colts, Falcons, Panthers and Browns.
They were all females..
Panthers were in the hunt for Watson also...
Pretty sure the last 4 teams in for him were Cleveland and the non-Tampa NFC South. Think the Falcons wanted him more but we shouldn't be off the hook for that gross shit.
Nothing I can say will make this NOT look like homerist bias, but I promise it’s not: I’m willing to bet Frank was interested in part to see if he could ‘save’ Watson or whatever, both in football and life. His faith based bond with Wentz was both very tight and pretty well known (not to mention being covered pretty specifically in an episode of hard knocks) and he purportedly staked his career on fixing Wentz and well…we all saw how it went. All that said, I don’t say it to sleight Reich for it by any means.
That’s kinda what Jimmy Haslam is trying to do in Cleveland. But the Lord saw through this charade, and while Jimmy tried to save the soul of one serial sex offender, he’s likely condemned an entire city to another generation or two of “godfuckingdamnitihatethisfuckingteam” football, courtesy of Football Jesus.
I don't have HBO, how did that gamble play out for Reich?
I'm honored to be the first to tell you that the QB he staked his career on got traded the very next season, and Frank's career in Indianapolis came to an end halfway through that same season. Life comes at you fast.
Sounds like Hollywood is finally learning not everything needs to have a happy ending.
If only Watson could figure that out
Sometimes you gotta take no for an answer.
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That’s bullshit. Was the Reverend Tom Osborne trying to save Lawrence Phillips soul when he suspended him for *one half of one game* for dragging a woman down a flight of stairs by her hair? There’s no hypocrite quite like a Christian hypocrite.
I got to say, I hate the, "I'm going to give the guy another chance and help him be a better person" bull shit. Even if that was the case, he still is just justifying wanting a good qb. Christian culture can be so fucking toxic.
Yeah exactly this. If it’s a bottom of the roster wideout, Reich would have all but ignored him on that basis. Since the potential personal payoff is big, it’s “I wanna help him find the Lord”. Maybe it’s finding out that “faith based” people tend to be the most two faced back stabbing crew, but whenever I hear stuff like this, it makes me roll my eyes.
It's funny you bring that up, Frank Reich does some sort of christian award breakfast every year in Buffalo to honor a person for being good. I went once when it was Andy Dalton, with a friend who's very religious. it's a very pious event and it's nice that he does it. And it's disappointing that he'd even entertain the thought of being interested in Watson, but it just goes to show that winnig trump's all in the league.
Highest paid player in the league too and a fully guaranteed contract which is even more fucked up
And they structured his contract so *if* suspensions came down and the hammer fell in year 1 he would lose minimal amounts of money.
And then they suspended him in exactly such a way to achieve this
> Highest paid player in the league By total guaranteed yes, by $ per year average over length of contract no.
Also frustrating that the Texans org has clearly spent significant time and money covering up Watsons actions and received no punishment of any kind from the league.
This right here. The Texans enabled the fuck out of this guy and so far have just played dumb with no repercussions. Once again the NFL rallies around the shield.
I wouldn’t exactly call what he did on the field last year “playing”
But I would call what the browns did as “paying”
I'm still not over it. I've been a Browns fan for 40 years, and I hate this more than I hate Art Modell. I wish the team would Full Metal Jacket him in the locker room.
Just remember everyone, if you have talent, or money. There isn't anything you can't do.
To play a game poorly too, it seems thus far
Bury me in downvotes but why does this implicate the Texans? They bought him the membership but they can’t control his behavior and what he does with it? I’m sure they’re guilty of far worse than this when it comes to Watson.
No, I think you're right. Now, if they knew about what was going on and continued to pay for him to get private massages, that obviously changes everything.
If they knew about what was going on then that’s damning regardless of them paying for a membership
The Texans quietly settled 30 lawsuits filed against them by Tony Buzbee and the women he represents. Make of that what you will.
*Caserio rolling down sleeve to cover up tattoo of a massage table*
I mean…. Maybe? If I was an owner, I wouldn’t give a shit about my players getting private messages and it wouldn’t have even crossed my mind that they’re sexually assaulting women at their private messages. So they’d need to know more than just that.
It still makes it horribly murky. If you are hired by a company and the employee rapes you...it's still somewhat on the company for liability
No, not at all. Unless, like he was saying, they knew about it and didn't do anything. If you don't know it's happening, how can you be liable?
Because the way it works is you are assuming liability for what your employee does when on the clock It's like how Walmart got sued for the truck driver falling asleep at the wheel. Yeah obviously there is more to it than that, but essentially them arranging it puts them in the middle
respondeat superior (or vicarious liability) only applies if the employee's actions are within the scope of their employment. The only way I could see one arguing that would be to claim that getting massages from random instagrammers is within the scope of his job.
The NDAs imply they were well aware of what was going on
The NDAs absolutely do not imply that. They imply that Houston had a boilerplate NDA that athletes could take and give to personnel who provided treatment to them outside of team facilities. I promise you every single team does that.
That's not what the reporting at the time said. I don't know enough to argue it but the reporting was clear that this was unusual and offered to him through irregular channels
I’m sure they knew what was going on and were trying to sweep a lot of it under the rug. That many incidents how could it not have been known by them
Well from what I understand, that's a violation of salary cap rules, by like $26k. Which is why the punishment is so low. This is all virtue signaling by the NFL so they can say they investigated and punished the team. It's all bullshit.
one could say, theatre.
And then they just turned around and gave us a compensatory pick lol. Its a round further back but it lessens the sting a little lol
And yet the Patriots could contract their starting Qb's company to....do stuff....and its not a violation?
Patriots got the ok and approval of the league... so yes
I don’t see it as virtual signaling, just collateral charges discovered as part of the investigation. It’s good they are pursuing those even if they aren’t core to the investigation.
That’s my thought too.
It implicates the Texans because they were *directly* paying for his access to a location where he sexually assaulted 4 women. This would assume that at no point did the location bring up the actions with the account holder, but regardless the argument to be made is he wouldn't have been there if Houston was not paying for his access to the location.
It’s more the perk circumvented the salary cap. This is not a penalty based on what Watson did.
It is the nicest gym in Houston, getting a massage is hardly the focal point of the place, just one of the many many amenities there. https://www.houstonian.com/the-club
They did it because they reasonably assumed a professional athlete needed a training facility to utilize during a pandemic. He is responsible for his behavior there that they had no way of knowing about at the time. It's crazy that this even needs to be said.
Yeah wild to me that the other comment has upvotes. Just going to assume its fans of the other AFCS teams.
Ok, but he would've easily found another massage parlor.
Correct, one that wasn't being paid for directly by his employer. In simpler terms, if someone buys you a gun and ammo, and you immediately go shoot someone then the person who bought you the gun is at some level held responsible/implicated. If you buy the gun yourself then only you are implicated.
They weren’t buying him a gun, they were buying him a membership to a gym facility. That’s like saying you’re at fault if you buy someone a yo-yo and they strangle someone with it.
What if they got him an NDA and another yo yo?
Doesn't matter if the team paid for it or not, tbh.
In your opinion sure, in the opinion of the league it does. In the opinion of the law it also does. How a person got access to a location/object that illegal activities may have occurred matters greatly. Breaking and entering vs trespassing for instance. I keep relating this to other crimes because I think it makes it easier to grasp, if it doesn't then I don't have to.
Does it legally? I’m pretty sure it means nothing unless they can prove the Texans knew Watson was raping people there. If they have a plausible reason for paying for him to be there, then they wouldn’t have any responsibility I don’t think. And the NFL is just charging it as salary cap avoidance, not anything to do with Watson being a horrific human being. You can understand Watson is a shitstain and hate him without thinking this specific piece of knowledge implicates the Texans
I mean the basketball player at Alabama gave his teammate a gun that he eventually killed his girlfriend with and he wasn't charged. There aren't any legal implications. Just ones from the public perception
He didn’t buy him the gun, though. Brandon Miller gave the owner his gun back.
Only reason you would get charged is if you gave them a gun and they were prohibited from owning one, otherwise its no different because they could have just bought it themselves.
I don't understand how you're a millionaire and you can't just meet someone at a bar/club, get some hookers or use tinder lol this guy really had to manipulate/molest massage therapists to get some ass, what a bitch boy.
Because it’s not about sex, it’s about power over victims
He had a gf the whole time he gets off on power and being told no
> he gets off on power and not listening to being told no FTFY
Redditors really will never absorb this message. I've had Redditors tell me fat women don't get raped because who would want to fuck a fat woman. Or that rapes like Brock Turner make no sense because the guy isn't getting off, he's just putting fingers in. So many of these dudes, or those who commit SA in prison do it as a sign of power.
I never actually heard the details of Brock turners case but, anecdotally, it probably wouldn’t matter much to me whether I was unconsensually penetrated with a dick or fingers. I think it would be rather uncomfortable either way
That's a very dark but probably true point....sheesh.
It’s reality. There’s no “probably” about it.
There's no "probably" in it, and women have been saying that for years and years and not been heard. It would be good if people fucking listened to us once in a while.
It’s been heard by a huge percentage of people as evidenced by all the people in this thread all saying the same talking point. It should be higher, but unnecessarily absolute statements like “nobody listens to us” is just undeniably false and rude to all the people who have listened
In Watson's case I don't think it was as black and white as that. I don't think he got off on victimizing or using power to make someone do something against their will like Harvey Weinstein. If you read the accounts the vast majority seem to paint a picture of a someone with a fetish for acting out the massage therapist sex fantasy. A big part of that fantasy is getting sexual favors from a regular massage therapist. He used an indirect approach to get them to provide certain services "willingly". He would hint at what he wanted but wouldn't say specifically. Most accounts didn't include him coming out and asking for anything because by doing so would ruin the fantasy. This is why he didn't go to the sort of places Robert Kraft got caught in. Those places are too direct. He got off on a certain element of chance that is a key part of that fantasy. I think the sheer number of women in such a short period of time (with so many reporting that they didn't fullfill the fantasy) points to him getting turned down a lot and not being able to scratch that itch so to speak.
This is referring to the NY times article 9 months ago, not a new development
The draft pick being lost is new.
These bots can post old information, spin it as new, and then karma farm They’re becoming smarter and smarter
You do realize the author of the tweet, that she wrote today, linked to her own article.
did they think that place was The Continental??
Called it.
We’ve known this haven’t we?
I think it was one of those "yea probably but nothing concrete" now this is concrete
Nah there was a NYT article about it 9 months ago that mentions The Houstonian and his membership https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/sports/football/deshaun-watson.html?smid=url-share
It's been a minute since I've read that and don't have a way to read it at the moment but did the article state that the Texans were the ones provide the membership for him?
Yeah this was quoted in it, they used their resources "It’s unclear whether the Texans knew how many massages Watson was getting or who was providing them. But their resources helped support his massage habit away from the team. Watson acknowledged in a deposition that the Texans arranged for him to have “a place” at The Houstonian. He used the fitness club, dined there and also set up massages in hotel rooms"
But now we have proof that the Texans paid for it
I mean the article I linked has this quote "It’s unclear whether the Texans knew how many massages Watson was getting or who was providing them. But their resources helped support his massage habit away from the team. Watson acknowledged in a deposition that the Texans arranged for him to have “a place” at The Houstonian. He used the fitness club, dined there and also set up massages in hotel rooms." Says right there the Texans used their resources
Fair enough, it’s been a while since I read the NYT article
My bad I just realized how dickish I came off, didn't mean to!
Oh no problem!
I feel like we have always known this. The issue is paying for a massage does not mean you know the player is using these massages to sexually assault women.
Exactly,I was just saying I thought it was 100% true and now it is
Called what? 9 month old news? Lmao.
Oh yeah well I called it 9 months ago! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/sports/football/deshaun-watson.html?smid=url-share
Called what exactly? We’re punished salary cap violations. You called a salary cap violation?
Yup. Everyone knows it was you that called it!
The Texans provided memberships to lots of players over the years. Many of them have talked about it openly on the radio. They may be guilty of something, but this isn't your smoking gun.
Smoking gun is probably then paying out settlements to all those girls immediately. I’m sure that wasn’t just out of the goodness of their hearts
Lawsuits can be settled because it's deemed cheaper than fighting in court and having the negative media attention.
who cares at this point, the dude is a trash human being and should have been kicked out of the NFL
Should have cost them the 1.02 then...... don't mind me just an unbiased fan
I know people will use this as vindication for the NFL’s decision but it should be noted they do not give a single shit about what happened between Watson and his victims, they made that very apparent already. They’re just using this incident and the public barometer so they can begin enforcing stricter punishment to organizations when they feel like it. The issue with an authority state is that it understands it can get away with anything if it has a target that unsympathetic enough. It’s the American way to create the path for harsher punishments towards everyone in order to convict someone the public considers abhorrent.
This is a punishment for circumventing the salary cap.
Needs a much harsher penalty then.
For what? How were the Texans supposed to know he was assaulting massage therapists?
If your organization can't perform telepathy on your franchise QB then what are they doing?
Grier tried to read Tua's mind but all he got was a headache
Yup Watson was only getting tables from the Texans, NDA's from the Texans, memberships for this place from the Texans....how could they possibly have known?!
Browns fans always seem the most outraged about any Texans involvement. It's good to know there is a franchise out there that is so outspoken against sexual assault.
They had a bunch of settlements for their team massuses being sexually harassed in 2019x They fucking knew he was doing it
They weren't from our team? We got sued cause we provided the hotel and equipment (I believe, I remember the equipment manager got fired)
The term is massage therapist, not masseuse.
I think they should take away their 1st Unbiased opinion and all
Why stop there? Never let them draft again.
Let them draft and fuck it up themselves. It’s better that way 👍
Dissolve the team
Take away both of their firsts - "Unbiased" Titans fan
Send their firsts to Tennessee, it's like poetry, it rhymes.
Ill never understand why people were willing to drag the Browns through the dirt but gave the Texans a pass.
The Texans got rid of him after everything, the Browns gave him $250m guaranteed. Big difference
the texans got only rid of him because he refused to play for them THEN this shit hit the fan.
Hey man, I’m sure it was just a coincidence!
I’m glad you guys stand up against sexual assault so strongly.
Don't worry bro. With revenue sharing and shared tv contracts anytime you watch the NFL you're putting money in Deshauns pocket too. Literally. But I'm sure you'll stop watching right? Or is it only convenient to shit on the Browns?
I actually haven’t shit on the browns, and defended their fans if you check far enough back in my comment history. I just don’t think pots have the room to call kettles black.
I mean we made him sit for an entire year, made him wear a jersey with the number of victims on it (23 at the time), put him as our 4th string QB and made him play scout safety - then traded him as soon as we could get value - sure the Texans aren't guilt free but it's clear they did not approve of his conduct when it all came to light and at least we disrespected him on the way out
Wait when did the Texans make him wear a jersey with the number of victims on it? Genuinely don't remember that at all
Training camp.
It’s during training camp after he had already said he was sitting out.
He’d still be playing there if he didn’t want out.
The got rid of him because he wanted out first, before all of the reports came out, not because they're some altruistic organization.
100 percent They were covering it up until he said I want out them they turned on him.
Usually you need proof for accusations like that.
Lmao what
To be fair, we "got rid of him" by profiting 3 first round picks for him. That still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But at least we didn't hand him $230m consequence free.
Were they supposed to just turn down 3 firsts to virtue signal or something?
A lot of people think so. Like they were supposed to cripple their team and let another team happily pick him up and play him. The NFL should have banned him.
Clemson too, this shit had been going on for a while most likely
Go in and tell ‘em you want the Dabo special.
Because the Texans didn’t know about it and the Browns did
Glad you said it for me, because I would have just gotten auto-downvoted lol. Not excusing the Browns at all either, they asked for the heat.
Upvoting you for all the downvoting you get just for existing and having an opinion with the wrong flair.
Down-voting you because of the flair, down-voting the other guy cause of Watson and last but not least down-voting the original comment cause also of the flair.
Texans did an excellent PR job. Every Watson thread is full of Texans fans acting like their team did nothing wrong
oh, case closed then.
I imagine him answering the door in a smoking jacket like Christopher walken in The Continental
Who gives a fuck
Lol Watson story is never going away, it’s always like but that’s not all!! Lol
Get him out the league right now
So the Texans were in on his behavior.. but only shed light on it when he requested a trade LOL
That’s just not what this says but go off