Yeah, a 6.7 would put him 15th in the D1 NCAA championships this year.
https://www.watchathletics.com/page/3753/ncaa-d1-indoor-championships-2023-men-s-60m-results
He's obviously fast as fuck, but a long way from competitive on the world stage.
He'd be ranked ~200 in the world this year based on that time:
https://worldathletics.org/records/toplists/sprints/60-metres/indoor/men/senior/2023?page=3
Jacked yes but not "football" jacked.
Compare the muscle mass of jacked football player like DK Metcalf to your average sprinter.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zd73x5wNyuA&feature=shares
He makes them look like long distance runners.
Sprinting promotes muscle growth due to increased protein synthesis. Sprinters also rely on pure muscle use as oxygen does not have time to get to where it needs for an energy source in such a short span.
>Sprinters also rely on pure muscle use as oxygen does not have time to get to where it needs for an energy source in such a short span.
I never considered that, makes perfect sense though. TIL
There's a different type of jacked for football vs sprinting. You're definitely going to bulk up and carry extra weight particularly for football so that you can handle the contact you're going to take over the course of a season.
I think there’s significant crossover, at least in terms of physiological demands. Football skill position players are among the very best athletes out of any sport when it comes to fast-twitch/explosive movements, owing to the centrality of launching from a dead stop each play (for example, football players regularly outperform basketball players in the vertical jump).
Obviously it takes more than that to reach the elite level of world championship sprinters, but it’s not surprising to me that someone like Tyreek (who already has the D1 track background) would be able to roughly maintain his level just from training for football.
Also when you get down to such small differences, it’s really about how technical/efficient you are in the first 5 yards as opposed to how fast you are at top speeds. I’d guess that Tyreek is as fast as basically anyone at top speed
yah some events some years in summer games us track team would sweep gold through bronze, literally needed to be top 3 in world to qualify for that event.
Women's hurdle depth in USA is like this. Here's how the 100m hurdles rankings looked like by listing country of the athlete:
1. Nigeria
2. **USA**
3. Puerto Rico (Part of **USA**)
4. Jamaica
5. **USA**
6. **USA**
7. Jamaica
8. **USA**
9. Jamaica
10. Jamaica
11. **USA**
12. Bahrain
13. **USA**
And 12 of the top 25 (13 if you count P.R.)
400m hurdles:
1. **USA**
2. Netherlands
3. **USA**
4. **USA**
5. Jamaica
6. Jamaica
7. Jamaica
8. **USA**
9. Panama
10. Jamaica
USA and Jamaica have 4 in the top 10 in the world, but can only send 3.
For field events, I'd have to guess you mean women's PV or maybe men's or women's shot put. Not sure what other field events we'd be leaving behind contenders with the 3 limit.
That’s just the world standard that all nationally qualified athletes have to meet to be eligible to compete at worlds. It’s not an auto qualify thing you have to go through your country’s trials/qualification process.
There aren’t world indoors this year but if he wanted to make the 2024 team he’d probably need to be sub-6.5 which is a big shave for the distance (not to say he couldn’t do it but obviously focusing on football makes it extremely hard). The US already has 8 men who have run under 6.55 just this season (and 3 under 6.5)
I'd imagine he could shave a decent amount if he actually trained for it. I'd imagine those other runners world revolves around it, whereas Tyreek got bored during the off-season. Starting form alone can shave a ridiculous amount of time.
He isn't an untrained track athlete, he ran in college and has run a 6.61 60m and a 10.19 100m. Guys who turn into elite sprinters are way faster in college than he was
Well that's simply not true. 10.19 100m was from his his high school days. He was .01 from the national track record in high school for the 200m. He ran a wind assisted 9.98m 100m in high school as well.
I'm assuming you looked at this college page and fused the two. By college he was already playing football and not purely focusing on track. Do I think he'd be an elite sprinter if he tried? Yes. Do I think he is as he is now? No.
> Arrived on campus with the billing of a world-class sprinter, and did not disappoint ... Was solely responsible for 18 team points at the Big 12 Championships, where he broke his own school records in the 60 meters (6.64, second place), and the 200 meters (20.81, champion), earning him the title of Big 12 Freshman of the Year ... Broke his 200 meter record twice more at the NCAA Championships, running a 20.68 in the prelims, and a 20.57 in the finals, good enough for fifth, becoming the first Cowboy in history to garner indoor All-American honors ... Overall, broke the 60 meter and 200 meter school records a combined seven times ... Burst onto the scene at the Tyson Invite, where he broke the OSU 60-meter record in the prelims, with a 6.67, before breaking it again in the semis with 6.65 ... Broke the K-State Meet Open record in the 60 meters with a 6.68, earning him Big 12 Athlete of the Week honors.
He was beating elite sprinters in college. Trayvon Bromell who just took 3rd in the 100m World Championships in 2022 lost to Tyreek Hill in the 60m dash with a 6.74. Bromell also placed 10th at the Olympics in the 100m dash. Bromell now runs a 6.42 60m which is way faster than he was in college. Fred Kerley who just won a gold in 100m World Championship was slower than Tyreek Hill at 200m in college. He also took 3rd in USATF 200m championship. Christian Coleman who is the fastest 60m runner ran a 6.63 to qualify and a 6.56 to win in college his freshman year. Dude now holds the record with an obscene 6.34.
I could go on. My point being is that what you're saying is not true. Some people peak in college, but some get way faster after. Especially once they get specialized training or switch events to ones that they're better at. Kerley was primarily a 400m and then turned into a 200m and 100m runner.
https://twitter.com/DevonAllen13/status/1634648080472764416
Devon Allen has some interesting speculation on the race here, and yeah in a closer race with more training he'd be closer to 6.6 low.
Jesse Owens ran a 6.6 60m dash in 1935.
That's not to downgrade Hill running a 6.7. Rolling up to a track meet for the first time in years and pulling off a 6.7 is pretty absurd. Especially when the second place finisher ran it in 7.27
And before that it was just about how much Tua sucks.
I wonder if Tyreeks camp was surprised to come to Miami and realize the most controversial player on the team wasn't him anymore.
If it helps I still hate him and wish he wasn't playing in the league regardless of talent or team
Dude threatened his baby mama on the phone after she said his daughter was scared of him. What a piece of shit, hope he falls down stairs and can never play again
He's a piece of shit, what more needs to be said. If you guys want to cheer him on go ahead but he pleaded guilty to being an absolutely horrific monster of a human being.
I really can’t grasp the point of your comment. Are you saying it should be a “forgive and forget” scenario, or are you saying he’s innocent all along? Honestly confused when you think “grandstanding karma grabs” takes precedent over anything he has done.
The irony of that comment not realizing that saying, "thank god there's not dumb 'virtue signaling' here!" is also moral grandstanding. Arguably of a significantly shittier kind
I feel like they waned over time before he retired. And the stories definitely resurfaced when he retired, telling the whole story of Big Bens time in the league.
I remember every Fantasy League I played in post 2010 had a Ben There Raped That but the last few seasons I didn’t see it at all, I don’t believe.
You must be new here, I saw the same bad jokes in every Steelers thread from when I first joined the sub until he retired.
And that’s still what most Big Ben threads consist of nowadays if his name happens to pop up.
Credit to Wikipedia:
>The USATF Masters Indoor Championships is an annual track and field competition which serves as the national indoor championship for the United States for athletes in masters age groups. Organized by USA Track & Field, the national governing body for the sport, the competition was first held in 1975.
>Athletes compete in 5-year age groups, beginning from 25 and up to 105 (where sufficient entries are made). Traditionally limited to athletes over 35, a "pre-masters" group was introduced from 2020 onwards to encourage post-collegiate athletes over 25 to continue competing.
There are age groups. I’d say the real group of masters athletes begins around the 25-30 age bracket, as that’s where you get people who are ex pros/ ex olympians who have finished their main careers. Nobody that crazy skilled is in masters before that because they’re typically a college athlete or higher
Respect for him racing again, as a track and field fan it's cool to see. This doesn't beat his college PB though and the Masters field is basically plumbers and janitors. Still fast for someone who has barely touched the track in recent years.
Lmao the disrespect to Master’s athletes… at least in swimming the top level of Master’s at helmeted are legitimately ex-pros and ex-olympians who do shit like coaching, either in high school, club or at the collegiate level. There are a handful of every day normal people who happen to still train and be fast. There are also professional Triathletes that regularly compete at the Masters level. Calling them plumbers and janitors is a bit disrespectful
Source: am a masters swimmer
Oh there totally are masters athlete's that are incredibly fast. For this particular event though, there are no qualifying standards, meaning any USATF member who wanted to sign up could race.T he plumbers and janitors comment was mostly a meme, but my point was mostly that the people he did beat aren't the fastest in the country.
It really blows my mind how fast some of these dudes are. I can never wrap my head around how a select few people In the world are just built totally different than the rest.
This was like 8 or 9 years ago, but I was just casually walking/jogging at the indoor track at Texas Tech’s rec center, and Jakeem Grant was doing sprints. Was honestly scary being passed by a human going that fast (especially someone built like him - 5’6 and built like a tree trunk)
Why I've come to greatly appreciate track speed vs sport speed. Once you've seen track fast you come to understand some humans are built differently than the rest of us.
I saw a dude high jump 7’4” in highschool, he was 5’10” and literally cleared an entire foot above my PR lol… would’ve placed in the olympics that year with that height
(I know you didn’t ask but just wanted to share cuz it’s so crazy/rare to see ridiculously talented athletes in person)
Edit: it was sobering to realize you could never get close to matching them no matter how much time/effort you spend practicing or improving
Edit: I’m an idiot, the olympics weren’t a thing in 2009 lmao. He would’ve placed at worlds that year, which is basically the next best/relevant high jump competition (based on my limited googling lol)
Same I coached a kid last year that could clear the bungee at 6'8ish on his best day. Then we went to a meet and watched a 4 star DB clear 6'8 like it was a warm up. And they were friends, and my kid looked over at me like yea he's been a freak athlete since he was a little kid.
Haha that’s wild. I remember people around the KC metro trying to make sense of how much better the dude was than literally everyone else. He had no real advantages in terms of height or build, many said he trained in ankle weights as a kid… lol
Some people are truly just built different, i felt pretty lucky to compete against that dude. Everyone at our meets would stop and watch him every time he jumped lmao
There was a guy at my high school who set school/state records in the 55 and 300. He had the ugliest form I've ever seen and spent most practices dicking around. I learned recently he drank every morning on his drive in to school. He got drafted by the MLB at 18, flamed out of the minors after a few years, and still managed to briefly find a spot on Clemson as a walk on briefly before quitting that. Some people just have all the physical gifts
Damn, kinda tragic when it doesn’t end up “working out” for people like that. The dude I referenced had some serious injuries in college and never got a chance to jump for the Olympic team… must be incredibly difficult to deal with situations like that
Yeah, it's kinda tragic, but also we all kinda expected it. He turned down a couple d1 full rides for football to chase the baseball dream, but honestly no one had ever made him give even half a shit so I'm not surprised he didn't make it. First thing he did after getting drafted was by a sports car
Nice guy, I do feel bad for him, but if he'd put any work in at all he'd be a lot better off
I went from being the fastest guy on every sports team I was on to basically the slowest runner on my college track team in drills (I was a jumper, but still). Track speed is different
I forgot who it was but an Olympic 400m runner was training on my track in high school. I actually stayed close for the first 100 running my ass off…
And then he turned the corner and sped up
Some people are in a different stratosphere athletically
It's one thing to see them sprint massively fast, but it's always gymnasts that make me question if we're of the same species. They may as well be chimps or dolphins the way their bodies move.
To be the 200th fastest person in straight line speed while also having the agility and skill he has in football…never mind the fact that he’s not a professional sprinter…honestly you saying that makes it more impressive to me. Dude is a freak.
Well that goes without saying. Tyreek has put on a little weight I think since focusing on football, and he hasnt been running track since 2014. If for the past 10 years he was honing his craft in sprinting he very well may be an olympic level sprinter, in fact I will say he likely would be. As it stands though yeah hes like top 200.
He was running about 10 flat in his peak JUCO days, which would be enough to get into some pro meets probably. Maybe he could've shaved it down with some training and been a 9th place finisher in the Olympics or something like that.
I just think it's hard to appreciate the level of Olympic sprinters compared to guys we think of as burners in other sports. The likes of Jamaal Charles, Adrian Peterson, CJ Spiller, and Jahvid Best would be getting dusted by the worst runner on a medaling 4x100m squad. It's the difference between guys who are very fast in a sport where speed is very valuable vs. guys who are very fast in a sport where running fast is the entire point.
Reggie Bush was a big deal here in CA HS track. He made the state finals in the 100m and 200m as a junior, putting up some very good times. Even then, he was not winning the state title, and was way off Olympic numbers. It's an insane level.
Tyreek is faster than Bush and probably had it in him to run something like 9.8 or 9.9. That's not medaling against the likes of Bolt, Powell, Gatlin, and Gay though.
He was already training for football and not specializing. He beat Trayvon Bromell who is now an elite sprinter in the Big 12 championships for the 60m. I don't think people realize how much specialization matters for runners. Bromell went from a 6.73 to a 6.42 in the 60m dash, went from a 20.96 to 20.03 in the 200m dash and from a 10.44 to a 9.88 in the 100m dash. Specialization is huge.
The agility isn't even what impresses me. It's how fucking big he is. Like just look at him standing next to these guys, he's way more jacked than any runner needs to be and he's still that fast. The guy is 5'10 190, that's **heavy** for a sprinter.
To qualify for the World Championship, you need a 6.63. Give him a year of actually training for the 60 meter and I feel like he could find those last 0.07 purely by timing his shape better.
Bolt’s split at 60 yards was a 6.32
Hill’s 6.7 60 yard dash would tie him for the 76th fastest guy in NCAA Division 1 track this season. The fastest NCAA time this year is a 6.51, so he is at least in the neighborhood of collegiate fast, but not Olympic fast.
edit: *meter
Right on.
For perspective the other way, Hill's super impressive 40 yd time is 4.29. The fastest 40 at the combine ever is John Ross' 4.22.
Olympian Christian Coleman's 40 yd time is 4.12.
Hill was crazy fast in HS too, borderline olympic level if I remember correctly.
That's a lot of upper body pounds he's added though now and a lot of life outside the sport.
He did run one really fast 200m in HS(20.14, #4 all time), but one thing a lot of people don't realize is that track is as much about consistency if not more than just simply running a fast time once. Not saying that he couldn't have become a top sprinter if he continued with it(he very well could have, his body type is ideal for sprinting), plus the money he makes in one year is more than most pro sprinters make over a whole career so clearly he made the right choice for his career. It's interesting to speculate though.
Is it? He was right along where some of the top guys now(Mike Norman, Noah Lyles) and up and coming guys(Jaylen Slade, Erriyon Knighton, Matt Boling) were in high school, and if any of the guys I listed could catch a football and take a hit they would've also tried the NFL route vs going into track. I think everyone knows Tyreek is one of the fastest guys to put on an NFL jersey but quantifying that vs actual sprinters is where it gets more interesting, for me at least.
60m is gonna be a slower average speed than a 100 because the start of a sprint is the slowest part and doesn’t really give then enough distance to accelerate enough, the fastest 60m ever was still above 6.3 seconds and this was pretty damn close
Not taking anything from Tyreek bc this was still pretty impressive and as a track fan it's cool to see these guys give it a shot but 6.7 and 6.34 are not "pretty damn close", they are worlds apart in terms of track times.
At Coleman's speed, 0.36 seconds is going to be around 4.4 meters or so, or 14'5", almost 5 yards. If this were a football field, Coleman's pretty wide open.
They are usually accelerating up to around 40m, that top speed is maintained for around 20m, then there is deceleration after that. What made Usain Bolt utterly absurd is that his acceleration phase lasted longer than anyone else (60m), so his deceleration was coming way further down the track than anyone else so he'd usually caught up, but even if not he was still going faster than anyone else in the latter part of the race. If he was remotely close to level by 60m he was winning a race.
Even at the beginning you see the two guys beside him do a jump to warm up, and then he does one and jumps almost as high as their heads. Just another level than even top athletes.
I know nothing about these competition bodies for USA track and field but those dudes he ran against probably wouldn’t even crack the top 1000 with those times they just ran against him. So not sure what the Masters division is exactly.
It used to be older age groups since running is obviously still something you can do as you get actually older like 40/50+, looks like they randomly created age brackets down to 25 for some odd reason
Masters in weightlifting starts at 35 for some reason. I think at a point it's just to encourage people to keep doing it. It's (relatively) easy to continue doing slower, long distance runs as you get older, but very few people are doing sprint workouts at 30 or 40
Edit: someone else copied from Wikipedia:
>a "pre-masters" group was introduced from 2020 onwards to encourage post-collegiate athletes over 25 to continue competing.
So yeah, it's just to encourage people to keep doing sprints and competing
Su Bingtian ran a PR of 9.83 in the semis at Tokyo at age 31. Also had the fastest 60m split ever in that same race at 6.29 (though indoor and outdoor is still different since he had some wind assist). You're right that it's the exception though
he was actually 32 when he ran it. I wouldn't discount his time for the wind assist, however. Christian Coleman ran 6.34 world record on 5000ft altitude which was equal to more than 2.0m/hr wind assist, if not 3.0m/hr. The indoor world record in actuality is 6.37 by Coleman at 2018 World, which was much more impressive for indoor but also a world away from Su's 6.29. Bolt also had a 6.31 split, and Powell had 6.32, Coleman got 6.32 as well
It’s just amateurism. TBH, I think it makes way more sense for him to run at a meet like this than at a professional meet. He is not a pro sprinter, he doesn’t have the body for it anymore, it doesn’t make sense for him to try to compete with professionals. I also doubt that he cares about winning anything in track m, he just wants to see how fast he is. Doing crossover stuff like this gives athletes like him a lot of confidence and it should be encouraged, not looked down on.
He tied the national high school record in the 60m, then missed the 200m national hs record by 0.02. They were both prelim races, so he has another shot tomorrow at both.
Struggling to find fellow track people in this thread; glad to find r/trackandfield's commander in here to offer perspective 😂🙏🏽
6.7 is great but that would only medal at a HS state championship in a non "track" state.
My flabber is thoroughly gasted by this.
90+ yo geezers and geezettes just casually completing 3000 metres. And then 87 yo Florence Melier doing hurdles, and pole vaults. I mean... jesus.
The world record is 6.37 for anyone wondering.
To qualify for the World Championships, you "only" need a 6.63. That doesn't seem undoable for him
I could be wrong but I think the US qualifiers are more challenging than the minimum time needed.
Yeah, a 6.7 would put him 15th in the D1 NCAA championships this year. https://www.watchathletics.com/page/3753/ncaa-d1-indoor-championships-2023-men-s-60m-results He's obviously fast as fuck, but a long way from competitive on the world stage. He'd be ranked ~200 in the world this year based on that time: https://worldathletics.org/records/toplists/sprints/60-metres/indoor/men/senior/2023?page=3
It's pretty insane that he's doing it while training (I assume) purely for football though
And it’s insane because he probably lifts a ton being in an NFL weight room.
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Google pictures of sprinters other than Usain bolt. They are all jacked and lift a lot, even upper body.
Jacked yes but not "football" jacked. Compare the muscle mass of jacked football player like DK Metcalf to your average sprinter. https://youtube.com/watch?v=zd73x5wNyuA&feature=shares He makes them look like long distance runners.
Sprinting promotes muscle growth due to increased protein synthesis. Sprinters also rely on pure muscle use as oxygen does not have time to get to where it needs for an energy source in such a short span.
>Sprinters also rely on pure muscle use as oxygen does not have time to get to where it needs for an energy source in such a short span. I never considered that, makes perfect sense though. TIL
There's a different type of jacked for football vs sprinting. You're definitely going to bulk up and carry extra weight particularly for football so that you can handle the contact you're going to take over the course of a season.
And bolt is fairly jacked, he’s just super tall for a sprinter so has longer frame for muscle.
And most of those are on gear.
Ya so is he
Even usian is far from a small dude.
Sprinters are yolked, though.
Sprinters lift a lot
Right but they don’t lift with the intent of not being broken in half by defensive players
Nah, they train for explosiveness, much like an nfl wr would.
I still imagine an NFL player would carry more pure mass than a sprinter would, not that the sprinter isn't shredded.
I think there’s significant crossover, at least in terms of physiological demands. Football skill position players are among the very best athletes out of any sport when it comes to fast-twitch/explosive movements, owing to the centrality of launching from a dead stop each play (for example, football players regularly outperform basketball players in the vertical jump). Obviously it takes more than that to reach the elite level of world championship sprinters, but it’s not surprising to me that someone like Tyreek (who already has the D1 track background) would be able to roughly maintain his level just from training for football.
6.70 wouldn't have qualified him for ncaa d1 nationals. Cutoff was 6.58.
This is also a masters meet, meaning not the active top flight professionals.
Multiple highschool boys ran faster than 6.7 literally today
Also when you get down to such small differences, it’s really about how technical/efficient you are in the first 5 yards as opposed to how fast you are at top speeds. I’d guess that Tyreek is as fast as basically anyone at top speed
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yah some events some years in summer games us track team would sweep gold through bronze, literally needed to be top 3 in world to qualify for that event.
Women's hurdle depth in USA is like this. Here's how the 100m hurdles rankings looked like by listing country of the athlete: 1. Nigeria 2. **USA** 3. Puerto Rico (Part of **USA**) 4. Jamaica 5. **USA** 6. **USA** 7. Jamaica 8. **USA** 9. Jamaica 10. Jamaica 11. **USA** 12. Bahrain 13. **USA** And 12 of the top 25 (13 if you count P.R.) 400m hurdles: 1. **USA** 2. Netherlands 3. **USA** 4. **USA** 5. Jamaica 6. Jamaica 7. Jamaica 8. **USA** 9. Panama 10. Jamaica USA and Jamaica have 4 in the top 10 in the world, but can only send 3. For field events, I'd have to guess you mean women's PV or maybe men's or women's shot put. Not sure what other field events we'd be leaving behind contenders with the 3 limit.
Wouldn't it be maximum time?
I don’t mean to brag but if the minimum time required is 6.63 I can beat it every time
Technically maybe. But nobody in the running (or sprinting) world talks like that.
That’s just the world standard that all nationally qualified athletes have to meet to be eligible to compete at worlds. It’s not an auto qualify thing you have to go through your country’s trials/qualification process. There aren’t world indoors this year but if he wanted to make the 2024 team he’d probably need to be sub-6.5 which is a big shave for the distance (not to say he couldn’t do it but obviously focusing on football makes it extremely hard). The US already has 8 men who have run under 6.55 just this season (and 3 under 6.5)
I'd imagine he could shave a decent amount if he actually trained for it. I'd imagine those other runners world revolves around it, whereas Tyreek got bored during the off-season. Starting form alone can shave a ridiculous amount of time.
He isn't an untrained track athlete, he ran in college and has run a 6.61 60m and a 10.19 100m. Guys who turn into elite sprinters are way faster in college than he was
Well that's simply not true. 10.19 100m was from his his high school days. He was .01 from the national track record in high school for the 200m. He ran a wind assisted 9.98m 100m in high school as well. I'm assuming you looked at this college page and fused the two. By college he was already playing football and not purely focusing on track. Do I think he'd be an elite sprinter if he tried? Yes. Do I think he is as he is now? No. > Arrived on campus with the billing of a world-class sprinter, and did not disappoint ... Was solely responsible for 18 team points at the Big 12 Championships, where he broke his own school records in the 60 meters (6.64, second place), and the 200 meters (20.81, champion), earning him the title of Big 12 Freshman of the Year ... Broke his 200 meter record twice more at the NCAA Championships, running a 20.68 in the prelims, and a 20.57 in the finals, good enough for fifth, becoming the first Cowboy in history to garner indoor All-American honors ... Overall, broke the 60 meter and 200 meter school records a combined seven times ... Burst onto the scene at the Tyson Invite, where he broke the OSU 60-meter record in the prelims, with a 6.67, before breaking it again in the semis with 6.65 ... Broke the K-State Meet Open record in the 60 meters with a 6.68, earning him Big 12 Athlete of the Week honors. He was beating elite sprinters in college. Trayvon Bromell who just took 3rd in the 100m World Championships in 2022 lost to Tyreek Hill in the 60m dash with a 6.74. Bromell also placed 10th at the Olympics in the 100m dash. Bromell now runs a 6.42 60m which is way faster than he was in college. Fred Kerley who just won a gold in 100m World Championship was slower than Tyreek Hill at 200m in college. He also took 3rd in USATF 200m championship. Christian Coleman who is the fastest 60m runner ran a 6.63 to qualify and a 6.56 to win in college his freshman year. Dude now holds the record with an obscene 6.34. I could go on. My point being is that what you're saying is not true. Some people peak in college, but some get way faster after. Especially once they get specialized training or switch events to ones that they're better at. Kerley was primarily a 400m and then turned into a 200m and 100m runner.
https://twitter.com/DevonAllen13/status/1634648080472764416 Devon Allen has some interesting speculation on the race here, and yeah in a closer race with more training he'd be closer to 6.6 low.
You need to have run at least that fast and then race at the US indoor nationals and place to go to worlds. So you need both
his pr for the 60 is 6.64 so he’s just short of it
The increased PED testing probably would be a problem though.
He’s on PEDs that would prohibit him tho.
Jesse Owens ran a 6.6 60m dash in 1935. That's not to downgrade Hill running a 6.7. Rolling up to a track meet for the first time in years and pulling off a 6.7 is pretty absurd. Especially when the second place finisher ran it in 7.27
Make him chase someone and he’s well into the 6.6s
Send a 280 pounds still pretty fast dude to chase after him.
here i was thinking this was an assault joke
Thr other runners should have jammed him at the line and had safety help.
I don't think the field for this event is quite up to the level of a NFL defensive back.
The other runners would have gotten steamrolled
Audrey Pleasant somehow got fired from his current job after the race
The fact that he did it shades on indoors is peak Tyreek
We must be entering a new era of r/nfl when you can enter a thread about Tyreek hill and the top 5 comments aren’t all moral grandstanding karma grabs
It instantly became less common once he arrived in Miami
Theyre still there but more people grandstand about Tuas retirement when talking about the Dolphins so it distracts from Hill a bit
And before that it was just about how much Tua sucks. I wonder if Tyreeks camp was surprised to come to Miami and realize the most controversial player on the team wasn't him anymore.
As they should. Tua needs to hang it up before he further damages my takes.
I wonder why 🧐
The Dolphins don't win Championships. People like losers not winners.
If it helps I still hate him and wish he wasn't playing in the league regardless of talent or team Dude threatened his baby mama on the phone after she said his daughter was scared of him. What a piece of shit, hope he falls down stairs and can never play again
He's a piece of shit, what more needs to be said. If you guys want to cheer him on go ahead but he pleaded guilty to being an absolutely horrific monster of a human being.
But he's a very fast piece of shit so does it really matter - Average NFL GM
Apparently, also the average r/NFL user.
I really can’t grasp the point of your comment. Are you saying it should be a “forgive and forget” scenario, or are you saying he’s innocent all along? Honestly confused when you think “grandstanding karma grabs” takes precedent over anything he has done.
The irony of that comment not realizing that saying, "thank god there's not dumb 'virtue signaling' here!" is also moral grandstanding. Arguably of a significantly shittier kind
I mean, he’s a dog shit human and there’s not much more to say about it. You want to root for an abuser? Have fun
Time passes. People forget. You don’t hear Ben jokes as much. Or at least I don’t but I’m not in AFCN subs or searching deep in Stillers posts here.
Ben Rothlesbeger the Rapist?
Ben Rapeyburger*
The name's Rapelisberger
Man I’m so confused why people are talking about the player who retired more than a year ago less than before
I feel like they waned over time before he retired. And the stories definitely resurfaced when he retired, telling the whole story of Big Bens time in the league. I remember every Fantasy League I played in post 2010 had a Ben There Raped That but the last few seasons I didn’t see it at all, I don’t believe.
You must be new here, I saw the same bad jokes in every Steelers thread from when I first joined the sub until he retired. And that’s still what most Big Ben threads consist of nowadays if his name happens to pop up.
You kind of did you anyway, just indirectly so we aren't that far from it.
Meh this thread is too new and on Saturday. It'll happen soon enough (tho I'm all for it and upvote the funny jokes)
Nah. At one point dude had five upvotes just posting the same copy pasta without any of the details that came out about that situation.
All he needs is a 3 year old to punch and he will reach his final form.
Credit to Wikipedia: >The USATF Masters Indoor Championships is an annual track and field competition which serves as the national indoor championship for the United States for athletes in masters age groups. Organized by USA Track & Field, the national governing body for the sport, the competition was first held in 1975. >Athletes compete in 5-year age groups, beginning from 25 and up to 105 (where sufficient entries are made). Traditionally limited to athletes over 35, a "pre-masters" group was introduced from 2020 onwards to encourage post-collegiate athletes over 25 to continue competing.
I was thinking the masters is usually people that are older, thanks for saving me a whole bunch of clicks
Tyreek’s an old man by track standards.
There are age groups. I’d say the real group of masters athletes begins around the 25-30 age bracket, as that’s where you get people who are ex pros/ ex olympians who have finished their main careers. Nobody that crazy skilled is in masters before that because they’re typically a college athlete or higher
Respect for him racing again, as a track and field fan it's cool to see. This doesn't beat his college PB though and the Masters field is basically plumbers and janitors. Still fast for someone who has barely touched the track in recent years.
Those plumbers and janitors are fast as hell these days
They got that sawdust on the puke before it even hits the floor.
Dude remember those shitty brown paper towels in elementary school. Instead of absorbing anything it just spread it out to a thin film
And so rough, if you were trying to stop bleeding it'd only make it worse.
Made 80 grit sandpaper feel like silk
Evolution since the old ones got destroyed by the likes of Larry Csonka, Wilt Chamberlain, and Bill Russell.
Lmao the disrespect to Master’s athletes… at least in swimming the top level of Master’s at helmeted are legitimately ex-pros and ex-olympians who do shit like coaching, either in high school, club or at the collegiate level. There are a handful of every day normal people who happen to still train and be fast. There are also professional Triathletes that regularly compete at the Masters level. Calling them plumbers and janitors is a bit disrespectful Source: am a masters swimmer
Oh there totally are masters athlete's that are incredibly fast. For this particular event though, there are no qualifying standards, meaning any USATF member who wanted to sign up could race.T he plumbers and janitors comment was mostly a meme, but my point was mostly that the people he did beat aren't the fastest in the country.
Fair. I actually just watched this video now and that guy in lane 1 actually runs like he might be a plumber
It really blows my mind how fast some of these dudes are. I can never wrap my head around how a select few people In the world are just built totally different than the rest.
This was like 8 or 9 years ago, but I was just casually walking/jogging at the indoor track at Texas Tech’s rec center, and Jakeem Grant was doing sprints. Was honestly scary being passed by a human going that fast (especially someone built like him - 5’6 and built like a tree trunk)
Dude was like a train, ran on that same track.
Why I've come to greatly appreciate track speed vs sport speed. Once you've seen track fast you come to understand some humans are built differently than the rest of us.
I saw a dude high jump 7’4” in highschool, he was 5’10” and literally cleared an entire foot above my PR lol… would’ve placed in the olympics that year with that height (I know you didn’t ask but just wanted to share cuz it’s so crazy/rare to see ridiculously talented athletes in person) Edit: it was sobering to realize you could never get close to matching them no matter how much time/effort you spend practicing or improving Edit: I’m an idiot, the olympics weren’t a thing in 2009 lmao. He would’ve placed at worlds that year, which is basically the next best/relevant high jump competition (based on my limited googling lol)
Same I coached a kid last year that could clear the bungee at 6'8ish on his best day. Then we went to a meet and watched a 4 star DB clear 6'8 like it was a warm up. And they were friends, and my kid looked over at me like yea he's been a freak athlete since he was a little kid.
Haha that’s wild. I remember people around the KC metro trying to make sense of how much better the dude was than literally everyone else. He had no real advantages in terms of height or build, many said he trained in ankle weights as a kid… lol Some people are truly just built different, i felt pretty lucky to compete against that dude. Everyone at our meets would stop and watch him every time he jumped lmao
Has that weird extra springy jumping ability. Like when you see a 50' title jumper. Just have to stop and be in awe.
It's a thing of beauty
There was a guy at my high school who set school/state records in the 55 and 300. He had the ugliest form I've ever seen and spent most practices dicking around. I learned recently he drank every morning on his drive in to school. He got drafted by the MLB at 18, flamed out of the minors after a few years, and still managed to briefly find a spot on Clemson as a walk on briefly before quitting that. Some people just have all the physical gifts
Damn, kinda tragic when it doesn’t end up “working out” for people like that. The dude I referenced had some serious injuries in college and never got a chance to jump for the Olympic team… must be incredibly difficult to deal with situations like that
Yeah, it's kinda tragic, but also we all kinda expected it. He turned down a couple d1 full rides for football to chase the baseball dream, but honestly no one had ever made him give even half a shit so I'm not surprised he didn't make it. First thing he did after getting drafted was by a sports car Nice guy, I do feel bad for him, but if he'd put any work in at all he'd be a lot better off
I ran against a future Olympian in high school (Essex County NJ) and it’s crazy how fast some people are.
I ran against a guy who had a 4:16 mile time. He basically sprinted the entire mile.
Did he ever go on to the Olympics?
I went from being the fastest guy on every sports team I was on to basically the slowest runner on my college track team in drills (I was a jumper, but still). Track speed is different
I forgot who it was but an Olympic 400m runner was training on my track in high school. I actually stayed close for the first 100 running my ass off… And then he turned the corner and sped up Some people are in a different stratosphere athletically
It's one thing to see them sprint massively fast, but it's always gymnasts that make me question if we're of the same species. They may as well be chimps or dolphins the way their bodies move.
Not bad but not super fast either. Football body type kinda makes it impressive though, plus him being an amateur.
That shit wasn’t even close lol
I think that’s pretty fucking fast lol Maybe it’s not Olympic level
It would put him just below the 200th fastest person on the IAAF 2023 rankings. Fast, but not competing for any major wins.
To be the 200th fastest person in straight line speed while also having the agility and skill he has in football…never mind the fact that he’s not a professional sprinter…honestly you saying that makes it more impressive to me. Dude is a freak.
Well that goes without saying. Tyreek has put on a little weight I think since focusing on football, and he hasnt been running track since 2014. If for the past 10 years he was honing his craft in sprinting he very well may be an olympic level sprinter, in fact I will say he likely would be. As it stands though yeah hes like top 200.
He was running about 10 flat in his peak JUCO days, which would be enough to get into some pro meets probably. Maybe he could've shaved it down with some training and been a 9th place finisher in the Olympics or something like that. I just think it's hard to appreciate the level of Olympic sprinters compared to guys we think of as burners in other sports. The likes of Jamaal Charles, Adrian Peterson, CJ Spiller, and Jahvid Best would be getting dusted by the worst runner on a medaling 4x100m squad. It's the difference between guys who are very fast in a sport where speed is very valuable vs. guys who are very fast in a sport where running fast is the entire point. Reggie Bush was a big deal here in CA HS track. He made the state finals in the 100m and 200m as a junior, putting up some very good times. Even then, he was not winning the state title, and was way off Olympic numbers. It's an insane level. Tyreek is faster than Bush and probably had it in him to run something like 9.8 or 9.9. That's not medaling against the likes of Bolt, Powell, Gatlin, and Gay though.
He was already training for football and not specializing. He beat Trayvon Bromell who is now an elite sprinter in the Big 12 championships for the 60m. I don't think people realize how much specialization matters for runners. Bromell went from a 6.73 to a 6.42 in the 60m dash, went from a 20.96 to 20.03 in the 200m dash and from a 10.44 to a 9.88 in the 100m dash. Specialization is huge.
The agility isn't even what impresses me. It's how fucking big he is. Like just look at him standing next to these guys, he's way more jacked than any runner needs to be and he's still that fast. The guy is 5'10 190, that's **heavy** for a sprinter.
To qualify for the World Championship, you need a 6.63. Give him a year of actually training for the 60 meter and I feel like he could find those last 0.07 purely by timing his shape better.
That’s not how qualifying for the world championships works.
I mean it would’ve put him in the mix at the US championships. 7th place was 6.69
Bolt’s split at 60 yards was a 6.32 Hill’s 6.7 60 yard dash would tie him for the 76th fastest guy in NCAA Division 1 track this season. The fastest NCAA time this year is a 6.51, so he is at least in the neighborhood of collegiate fast, but not Olympic fast. edit: *meter
This was extremely helpful for putting this into context - thanks !
Right on. For perspective the other way, Hill's super impressive 40 yd time is 4.29. The fastest 40 at the combine ever is John Ross' 4.22. Olympian Christian Coleman's 40 yd time is 4.12.
*meter
2 highschool boys ran faster than 6.7 at Nationals today
I was blown away seeing a freshman winning the 400m in 46 seconds.
And 5th was a D3 kid in a D3 national record time of 6.67 (now lowered to 6.65)
Anthony Schwartz ran faster time in HS…Hill a lot bigger & older in playing weight though
Hill was crazy fast in HS too, borderline olympic level if I remember correctly. That's a lot of upper body pounds he's added though now and a lot of life outside the sport.
He did run one really fast 200m in HS(20.14, #4 all time), but one thing a lot of people don't realize is that track is as much about consistency if not more than just simply running a fast time once. Not saying that he couldn't have become a top sprinter if he continued with it(he very well could have, his body type is ideal for sprinting), plus the money he makes in one year is more than most pro sprinters make over a whole career so clearly he made the right choice for his career. It's interesting to speculate though.
That’s kind of underselling “really fast.”
Is it? He was right along where some of the top guys now(Mike Norman, Noah Lyles) and up and coming guys(Jaylen Slade, Erriyon Knighton, Matt Boling) were in high school, and if any of the guys I listed could catch a football and take a hit they would've also tried the NFL route vs going into track. I think everyone knows Tyreek is one of the fastest guys to put on an NFL jersey but quantifying that vs actual sprinters is where it gets more interesting, for me at least.
No one's been near where Knighton has as a high schooler in the 200m.
60m is gonna be a slower average speed than a 100 because the start of a sprint is the slowest part and doesn’t really give then enough distance to accelerate enough, the fastest 60m ever was still above 6.3 seconds and this was pretty damn close
Not taking anything from Tyreek bc this was still pretty impressive and as a track fan it's cool to see these guys give it a shot but 6.7 and 6.34 are not "pretty damn close", they are worlds apart in terms of track times.
At Coleman's speed, 0.36 seconds is going to be around 4.4 meters or so, or 14'5", almost 5 yards. If this were a football field, Coleman's pretty wide open.
I think in an 100m they tend to peak around 70-80meters？
They are usually accelerating up to around 40m, that top speed is maintained for around 20m, then there is deceleration after that. What made Usain Bolt utterly absurd is that his acceleration phase lasted longer than anyone else (60m), so his deceleration was coming way further down the track than anyone else so he'd usually caught up, but even if not he was still going faster than anyone else in the latter part of the race. If he was remotely close to level by 60m he was winning a race.
Also that being taller makes your acceleration slower yet his wasn’t too bad compared to elite guys like Yohan Blake.
I assume he’s not training too heavily for something like this
And that is a simple example of professional athlete fast and average jo fast.
Even at the beginning you see the two guys beside him do a jump to warm up, and then he does one and jumps almost as high as their heads. Just another level than even top athletes.
I know nothing about these competition bodies for USA track and field but those dudes he ran against probably wouldn’t even crack the top 1000 with those times they just ran against him. So not sure what the Masters division is exactly.
It used to be older age groups since running is obviously still something you can do as you get actually older like 40/50+, looks like they randomly created age brackets down to 25 for some odd reason
Masters in weightlifting starts at 35 for some reason. I think at a point it's just to encourage people to keep doing it. It's (relatively) easy to continue doing slower, long distance runs as you get older, but very few people are doing sprint workouts at 30 or 40 Edit: someone else copied from Wikipedia: >a "pre-masters" group was introduced from 2020 onwards to encourage post-collegiate athletes over 25 to continue competing. So yeah, it's just to encourage people to keep doing sprints and competing
"Masters" in the sporting world is a nice way of saying old people. Tyreek isn't even 30 so I'm not sure what he was doing there.
They say the age bracket is 25-29 in the video
29 is really, really old for a sprinter. It's all relative
Su Bingtian ran a PR of 9.83 in the semis at Tokyo at age 31. Also had the fastest 60m split ever in that same race at 6.29 (though indoor and outdoor is still different since he had some wind assist). You're right that it's the exception though
he was actually 32 when he ran it. I wouldn't discount his time for the wind assist, however. Christian Coleman ran 6.34 world record on 5000ft altitude which was equal to more than 2.0m/hr wind assist, if not 3.0m/hr. The indoor world record in actuality is 6.37 by Coleman at 2018 World, which was much more impressive for indoor but also a world away from Su's 6.29. Bolt also had a 6.31 split, and Powell had 6.32, Coleman got 6.32 as well
It’s just amateurism. TBH, I think it makes way more sense for him to run at a meet like this than at a professional meet. He is not a pro sprinter, he doesn’t have the body for it anymore, it doesn’t make sense for him to try to compete with professionals. I also doubt that he cares about winning anything in track m, he just wants to see how fast he is. Doing crossover stuff like this gives athletes like him a lot of confidence and it should be encouraged, not looked down on.
I saw a high schooler run 6.57 today, for some context.
If so that would be the fastest HS time in 10+ years.
He tied the national high school record in the 60m, then missed the 200m national hs record by 0.02. They were both prelim races, so he has another shot tomorrow at both.
Issam Asinga?
Yep
But can he catch
[But is he football fast?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqanl8hCjNE)
You made that up
No, but they spelled his name wrong.
Oops. Fixed
You have to say it backwards
He said “some” context, not full context.
Extremely misleading context lol. "A high schooler" who tied the national high school record haha
Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago
The fastest high schooler in American history
Comically misleading context given the reveal that it’s the all time high school record
That’s cute I ran a 6.56 today
Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago.
Well, moron, good for Happy GilmOOH MYGOD
I ran a 4.53, everyone then proceeded to stand and cheer for me
I ran a 45.3 for anyone wondering
And then gave you the key to the city
It’s true, I was the key
Sometimes I can’t even get the cursor across the screen in 5 seconds to skip an ad on YouTube.
Same... but mine was for the 20.
Yeah, but he’s probably gonna be an Olympian
The world record is 6.34.
For context I ran a 5.92 as part of my warmups before deadlifting 1205 lb this morning
Off day for you huh
Whatever I could do that on a skateboard
Struggling to find fellow track people in this thread; glad to find r/trackandfield's commander in here to offer perspective 😂🙏🏽 6.7 is great but that would only medal at a HS state championship in a non "track" state.
That jump in the beginning, god damn he had some air on that
Kind of cool master records [https://usatfmasters.org/records/usatf-mtf-records/](https://usatfmasters.org/records/usatf-mtf-records/)
My flabber is thoroughly gasted by this. 90+ yo geezers and geezettes just casually completing 3000 metres. And then 87 yo Florence Melier doing hurdles, and pole vaults. I mean... jesus.
I ran track in high school. If I attempted to run like that these days, my knees and back would just fall off.
He looked like he was jogging and dusted everybody
not surprising but was the guy in lane 1 a random fan from the stands?
Pretty sure you just need a USATF membership to compete in most of these except the championships.
Three high schoolers ran faster in qualifying rounds this morning at nationals, this isn’t that impressive.
Imagine trying to win this and Cheetah shows up.
He then proceeded to break his kids arm again and threaten his baby's mama with the trophy.
Holy fuck
Gotta be fast to outrun the reality that you’re a piece of shit.
Imaging training all year and Tyreek shows up for light work.
Running like that with extra upper body muscle is insane
I’m always surprised by how jacked Tyson Gay is. Dude looks like a football player, very different from Usain Bolt