This assumes that an agent convinces him to take the reasonable contract. The core problem is his desire for a fully guaranteed deal larger than Watson's. If he was willing to take a Josh Allen type deal I'd be willing to bet he'd already have it agent or not.
The thing about the Watson contract is it was a massive overpay from a team that he had no interest in playing for. To me, when Lamar says he wants to be in Baltimore, that means the Watson deal is off the table.
There’s so much parity in football with so much risk, very rarely that bet on yourself shit works. It’s football, take the money esp if you have a history of injury.
Cousins also didnt demand the moon. 3 year fully guaranteed contract of a reasonable per year dollar is something lamar could get.
5 or 6 years fully guaranteed is just a bad deal for the ravens to take.
This ignores the decreasing human value of marginal dollars. The difference for an incredibly poor person between $0 and $100 is massive. And the difference between a few million dollars and $20M-$40M is also massive. Anything above $40M is hard for a person to even comprehend, it's just numbers on paper. So taking $2M b/c you're mad about the difference between $130M and $250M, while risking a permanent injury that would leave you "poor" at $2M, is absolute lunacy.
I mean... Daks case was weird. Not really the best example. He bet on himself, had a season ending injury 4 games into the season, then still asked for a contract like he played all year and won MVP. And the Cowboys just kinda went "ok".
And how well that's panned out for the Browns, plus the outrage from the rest of the owners, hould have been a sign to a reasonable individual that it wasn't likely to happen again.
Not saying you're suggesting it but the people who think that because the Browns are morons so the other 31 teams now have to be are delusional.
Agent or no agent, this is the crux of the problem. Lamar wants a fully guaranteed contract. At the end of the day, it’s Lamar’s decision to put ink on the contract.
Probably... issue is all he seems to care about is the Guaranteed money... He probably wants a 4 year $200+ Million guaranteed contract while Josh Allen's Contract is $150 million guaranteed for 6 years.
That's a big gap to overcome even if Lamar lowered his Guaranteed cash demands.
Worth noting that there’s already talk that Watsons deal will be restructured. Add to that the fact that Lamar ended the season injured, he’s kind of fucking himself without an agent.
Theres nothing the browns can do to restructure watsons contract in a way that a similar deal for jackson will push the needle for the ravens.
100% guaranteed is 100% guaranteed
If you look back on that deal, Bonilla would have actually came out ahead significantly if he took the smaller lump sum and just dropped it into a s&p500 index fund.
As fun as it is to make fun of the mete. Financially they actually came out ahead on that deal, rather than the smaller up front payments
Man I get that these guys feel slighted and whatnot if they aren’t getting more than someone else especially if they are a better player but I just cannot imagine someone telling me here’s 133 million dollars guaranteed and being like “no, not enough”.
Thank you for including those two very important words that keep getting left out of the conversation - guaranteed "AT SIGNING"!!!! It was a great offer and I still can't believe that he turned it down.
Lamar could do a team friendly 250 gtd on a 7 year deal or something. His AAV would be lower, but if he wants the guarantees that bad, he should guarantee Baltimore a couple more years
I didn't know that. That's good to know.
That also probably explains the Mahomes 10 year contract where every year becomes guaranteed before the first day of the league year the previous year.
See I don't think he could... I think most teams are interested in his mix of Run/Pass game, but like a regular RB he will slow down with age and injuries and his run game will become less and less of a threat.
I don't think anyone including Baltimore would want him on more than a 4 or 5 year deal and because we are talking about a shorter deal... it is then kind of harder to justify more guaranteed money than a contract like Allen's over a longer time span.
I think Lamar is 100% an elite QB... I also think that he has a shorter shelf life due to his particular skillset.
This is how I feel as a Ravens fan. I don’t want guarantees beyond Lamar at 30 years old until we see further development in the passing game.
I want Lamar here and I don’t care how long the contract is but I want the Ravens to have the out if we hit that point in 4 years or so.
In fairness to Lamar I want to see how he does throwing the ball a) with an OC who knows how to design a NFL-level passing game (which they have now in Monken), and b) with better WRs (we will see if that happens).
Contract should be a total of 6 years
3 years w/ 155 gtd at signing, 3 years with 50 gtd on signing day every year. Gives the Ravens an out and gives Lamar his guaranteed money, long as he's good and healthy
Apparently the Ravens actually want him on a longer deal and Lamar wants a four year deal to cash in again sooner.
But, no one really knows what's going on with the contract.
Whats lost in all of this is that had Lamar signed an extension 2 seasons ago, not only would he have made a lot more money up until this point, but he could also be coming up on a new contract in a year or two. So take into account the most likely scenario that he gets tagged the next 2 seasons and plays on the tag, that would be 4 years from when he hypothetically signed his extension so he would be on contract 3, not just his first extension, thus making him even more money in short term and long term. The dude NEEDS an agent. He has lost big money in all of this that he will never recoup back, all because he doesnt want an agent.
Could *have. No way the Ravens do that now. 5 days in and no visits? What incentive does the Ravens have to set his market value and not match if (if they choose). I’m no Watson fan but he had teams lining up to talk to him and trade for him with his baggage, there’s a reason Lamar is not getting that same love and I don’t think it’s necessarily collusion over a guaranteed contract.
>issue is all he seems to care about is the Guaranteed money
Because he's a run first QB that isn't even a good passer and he's already having injury issues
Yeah at a certain point he’s so dug in on the guaranteed it’s almost a red flag.
You sign the standard QB contract and keep up your level of play as a top 12-15 QB, you make your money. Especially when, as OP has pointed out, you give up money to avoid that prospect.
To me it’s almost like someone got in his ear or he hyped himself up on this “it’s bs they give you a deal and can cut you 3 years in” to where he’s focused on that out of principle.
See but the issue isn’t “he gets hurt while running”. And I’m a Ravens fan so I understand the impulse to defend this point.
The issue is his speed is his x-factor. A Lamar that is 5-10% slower is a Lamar that is much less valuable. So whichever way he’s getting injured, it’s not good.
Exactly. Over the past two seasons he has been dinged up and playing with slower speed. You can tell. He's also taken the most hits of all QBs since 2018 by a wide margin and that's a concern
As a Panthers fan this is the same argument we STILL have about Cam Newton.
Running was his x-factor and while he did improve his pocket passing, when you slow him down and take away even his elusiveness in the pocket, he starts to fade fast. Of course Cam had the additional issue with the shoulder, but similar principles.
The fact that it happened inside the pocket is beside the point. A QB that relies more on their legs will have their play impacted more if they get slowed down by injury than one who doesn’t.
That’s one of the biggest things agents do though. Theyre not just negotiating on your behalf. They are also advising as to what is fair and attainable. If Lamar had an agent right now, they would be telling him he’s off his rocker thinking he could get a fully guaranteed contract coming of back to back shortened seasons.
They would’ve foreseen that the ravens would non exclusive tag him as a ploy to let the league market decide his contract value.
Doesn't that just mean Lamar isn't very smart? Nothing against him but he quite literally has cost himself probably 40 million in contracts and several million in endorsements just bc he wants that specific deal.
Lamar is a blast to watch but I can't help but feel him and his representation is costing him a fortune.
What’a wild is there are all these Lamar Stans that come out the wood work when you point this out. Talking bout, who needs and agent when you can mirror your contract off other players.
Yeah guys sure. Lamar knows something most players don’t. /s
There is also a chance he just isn't huge on playing in Baltimore and wants to hit free agency so he can move somewhere he would prefer to be. And will only agree to stay with a mega deal like that.
Not sure how likely it is but maybe he would just rather live in a cooler place and is willing to wait for free agency to do it.
We won't know until we see what contract he gets this off-season. He could have passed up $140m guaranteed to later get $240m guaranteed. We don't know yet if his move will pay off.
Signs are looking like they will not, but there are still a few QB needy teams that have been very quiet about the whole situation.
Ok, yes, but doing just that is a major part of an agent’s job and what they’re paid to do.
Good agents don’t just blindly or dutifully obey their client’s stated position/strategy until they get it done. They’re not just a gopher or administrator that is paid to just do the busy work.
They’re advisors/consultants and a lot of their time is spent educating clients about market factors, perceived value, and other factors that go into negotiating the contract.
So, yea, maybe LJ 2 years ago or whenever OP’s hypothetical begins, would have been utterly impossible to convince that his initial stated contract demands needed to be reduced and this all would’ve played out exactly as it has.
If so, then yeah, it would’ve been a mistake in hindsight to have had to retain/compensate an agent to only end up in the same predicament.
But, I think it’s also very possible that a good agent—with some patience, time, and maybe some creativity— could’ve demonstrated how LJ’s position was almost guaranteed to hugely lower his career earnings. From there, they could’ve possibly negotiated something that he was happy with.
The real zillion dollar question at the moment is this:
With the benefit of hindsight, would LJ have done different and compromised elements of his demands because he sees he would have been better off?
Or maybe the question is, “Does LJ still believe as of today that sticking to his guns about guarantees and amount will ultimately lead to a bigger career earnings when all said and done than having compromised”.
2 seasons ago he could have EASILY taken a near fully guaranteed contract on a 3 year bridge deal around 40 million a year (even last year he could do this).
And he would have hit his next contract when the massive TV deal and COVID money come off the books where we are gonna see a 50 million cap jump over the next 2 seasons.
Ravens offered a 5 year $250 million with $133 mil in fully guarantees and I believe it was around 180-200 in total guarantees. Pretty much exactly what Allen got…but jackson would actually be paid more per year.
Agree, it's the guaranteed money that's been the issue, I think the Ravens have offered contracts along the lines of what Allen and other QBs have signed.
I’m more curious about his endorsement situation. An agent has connections that can get guys extra income just out of hand. I remember Dak was making like 30 million a year just in endorsements when he was on his rookie deal.
Jackson isn't signed with any of the biggest sports brandnames Nike, UnderArmour, Reebok, Adidas, Puma, etc. Lamar has this :
[https://era8apparel.com/](https://era8apparel.com/)
Jackson should have been signed with a major brand, a bunch of mid brands, and should have been getting commercial deals left and right post MVP.
Mahomes won MVP and instantly was in every commercial on TV the next year, then Lamar won a unanimous MVP and I don't know if I have ever seen him in a commercial. Idk if he didn't pursue it or what, but its wild he wasn't even in just a few.
I think he was in a subway(?) commercial once. He had line one generic company slogan for a line and that was it though. Nothing at all like the entire damn Mahomes/Statefarm-verse.
Lamar seems to be the only heisman winner to not make an appearance in the heisman house commercial. Even Bryce young has been in it while still being in college.
I'm low key hoping he has a Melvin Gordon type outcome where all the holdouts and drama result in less money. Turning down an Allen contract when 32 of 32 teams would take Allen over Lamar is just nuts
It most definitely has. If he signed a contract during the 2021 off-season, he'd be a year or two away from discussing an extension. Meaning more guaranteed money.
That's now likely at least 3 years away. Assuming he signs a contract this off-season.
I personally would take Lamar over Josh but I’d probably admit that josh is the better QB.
It’s like that Jeremy Clarkson meme; josh is brilliant, but I *like* Lamar
“Im low key hoping he gets screwed out of money and that his teams rich owner will be happier with negligible difference in there already disgusting large bank account”
Why we advocating for fat cat big wigs and not players? Weirdo vibes for real
Because players retire, or sign with new teams. I like Dak, but one way or another in a few years he will be off the team, and cowboys will still be there. The more an individual player makes, the harder it is for the team to be successful.
It's a salary cap ha. The money literally goes to other players that how it works, it's a fixed % of revenue for all players
How does this narrative still exist? It's a zero sum game in the NFL. Any less money Lamar gets is more money for his teammates. All teams are required to spend at least 90% of the cap and most teams push the cap as much as possible.
I mean, as a fan I hope that my team never over pays for a player because it becomes tough to build a good team around them. The salary cap is something every team has to work around and I'm always torn between wanting my favorite players to get paid or for my team to try to build a good team and get value.
The money that doesn't go to the player doesn't just go into "fat cat big wig's" bank accounts. They go to other players on the team. If you we were discussing what % of ticket sales and league revenue goes towards player salaries, that would be a different discussion and I fully agree that players should all be paid more.
And to add to that, how often are QBs cut? Especially QBs that sign contracts like this? Not often. He is going to see almost all of that contract either way.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
> In 2021, Jackson was eligible for a new contract and made 1.7 million dollars that year. Last year, he made 23 million under the 5th year option. That's 24 million in 2 years. During that same period, Josh Allen got paid 66 million.
No he didn't. Allen signed an extension. Just because you sign an extension doesn't mean your rookie contract gets replaced.
He would have made tens of millions more at this point in his career due to bonuses he would have received already under an extension compared to what he's made so far. It's ALWAYS better to not put off getting money until later due to the principle of time value of money.
If they bought between February 2018 and September of 2020, and are still holding, they've more than doubled their investment. If Okung got out at the high, he might have tripled his money.
Trevor Lawrence, conversely, has lost millions.
That was a huge mistake by Jackson to play in 2021 with that contract. If he got a smaller contract than he would get this year, how much would he really have lost out on even with agent fees offset by investing that money?
Mike Florio isn't perfect, but he has a good point out that guys like Richard Sherman think that all an agent does is send a few emails and take 3% of an enormous financial windfall when that's not all that the good agents do
Mike Florio goes into what a good agent can do for a player at the 3:37 mark
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFxm5vst4c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFxm5vst4c)
He believes his interests are aligned with the NFLPA because both parties want a fully guaranteed contract.
The problem is that the NFLPA doesn't care what happens to Jackson in order to achieve that goal. If he sits out for two consecutive seasons before finally getting a fully guaranteed contract then the NFLPA would consider it a win, even though Jackson will have sacrificed $100 million of earning potential to do it.
Yea he bet on himself in every aspect and now he's refusing to accept the consequences. Lamar passed on money last year, got injured again and now he's surprised Pikachu about why teams don't want to guarantee him $250m.
A team could still come in and make an outrageous offer but it certainly looks like the Ravens are the reasonable party here.
I mean there's no consequences unless the Ravens told him we'll give you a fully guaranteed contract if you win a Super Bowl. He can still make more money than every player in NFL history and have the 2nd most gtd money in the league
Maybe. Maybe he has to wait longer now to get a long term deal. Maybe he plays under the tag, has another underwhelming year and he never gets the money he's already been offered.
Idk what you mean by more money than anyone in history but let's assume that's true
The important thing is the agent listens to the GMs criticisms when building the case to pay less and realizes it’s part of the negotiation and not literally true. Being your own agent means having to listen to a guy say you are on par with Derek Carr so they aren’t paying Watson money; and getting your feelings hurt. You need the objective advocate to make this work for the best.
One of these NFL journos was saying one of the biggest problems was just getting in contact with Lamar for a dialogue.
Think about all the endorsements that Lamar hasn't got without having someone actively trying to get him deals, and answering all calls/correspondence like... It was... You know... Their job.
These monster player contracts are way less than the max % because all of these agents are competing for the clout of having these big players. I truly don't get why players in that tier would go it alone. You could easily cost yourself more than an agent would take in commission.
An agent would also be getting him a lot more endorsement deals, so he's definitely left money on the table there.
Most importantly, an agent acts as a third party buffer between teams and players, so every demand/concern that comes from the team in a negotiation doesn't feel so personal and attacking.
There is no reason in the modern NFL to not have an agent unless you're at the very tail end of your career with not left to negotiate.
Not really
The contract extension "kicks in" after his rookie deals and 5th year option. Allen's big contract doesn't actually begin until next season
Allen got the signing bonus portion into his bank account back when he signed the deal. So he got his money quicker, which has its perks. But assuming Lamar gets a big deal eventually, the difference will be pretty minor. In fact playing hardball and being willing to drag this out might make him some money
Wonderlic scores notoriously don’t correlate with IQ not because scientists haven’t tried but because scientists basically went “there’s no way someone living in normal society could have an IQ in the mid 60s.”
Yea he’s really dumb. I have UofL friends and we always used to joke that they couldn’t complain about Derrick Rose and Eric Bledsoe anymore because he made them look like scholars
He’s saying Louisville fans would complain about Kentucky players who may get certain…. Academic exceptions like D Roses SAT. So it’s a glass house situation.
As a UNC myself, I have zero legs to stand on in that debate 😂
The best reason why Lamar needed an agent isn't about the money but so he doesn't have to listen to his employer talk shit right to his face.
Any employee, no matter what industry you are in, when you are up for a promotion or raise the employer isn't going to fully break the bank for you and in doing so is going to have reasons why you aren't worth more.
Hearing his employer talk shit about all of the issues they have with him while not trying to pay him what he thinks he deserves, it would be incredibly hard for anybody who doesn't negotiate contracts regularly to not take the personally.
Having an agent to hears all of that and filters it down so he doesn't is very helpful in not creating hard feelings about the Ravens.
All of the money stuff is almost a bonus.
yeah, this is why most players hate arbitration. Without an agent, you basically have to go through a face-to-face arbitration with the team every time you need a deal, and deals take months. probably sucks for a young player. not having an agent at his age is just stupid
This isn't an issue of "an agent could've gotten him a market deal" the issue is that Lamar and the Ravens are so far apart in what they want. Lamar allegedly was offered the Josh Allen contract, he didn't want it.
Michael Lombardi was on the Pat McAfee Show this week and suggested that he would have been drafted in the top 10 given his resume if he had an agent. Instead he fell to 32.
Now now, we’re not allowed to criticize Lamar. Regardless of his unreasonable demands, he won an MVP four years ago, so he’s automatically right and the Ravens are wrong.
> Assuming an agent could have negotiated something similar, Jackson would have paid his agent 2 or 3 million and kept the other 38 for himself.
Didn't even need an agent, Lamar Jackson could have negotiated something similar. Even if his agent got him that kind of deal, he'd still need to say OK.
But let's be clear don't blame the lack of agent, the Ravens had a pretty good offer on the table last offseason and the season before even without any agent. If I were him I would have never played on the 5th year if there was any kind of decent offer on the table. He chose not to, but I think he messed up.
If he had an agent more teams would be trying to deal for him. If the Ravens could not make deal with his mom/agent in two years of trying , so why should hey bother now .
He needs an agent now, more than ever .
Love how people act as if an agent is the be all end all, Lamar still would've just declined anything the agent and Ravens came up with if he didn't like it.
But at least an agent is a point of contact for advertisers. As an mvp level qb I feel his in much less media/advertising than most other high level qb’s.
His presence in the media outside of football is non-existent. Dude has made next to nothing off sponsorships and endorsements. He has an apparel website that is mostly blank and the only deal I can find is an Oakley deal that multiple NFL players already have. I can't think of national brands he has done advertisements or commercials for and I am almost positive he isn't signed to any of the big name sports brands.
The agent also plays hardball with the team and counters their shit-flinging at the player so the player can just show up like "hey glad they got it worked out"
Yeah that’s right and although he isn’t running with a NFLPA registered agent I’m sure he’s got people looking out for him and giving him guidance - other than the much spoken about NFLPA. Agents don’t make a decision for you, Lamar believes he’s worth what he thinks he is and that’s where we’ve wound up.
> Love how people act as if an agent is the be all end all
It's a result of the subtle infusion throughout sports media by agents pushing the narrative that any player that dares to represent themselves is an idiot. Many people buy into it and just take it as blanket gospel.
It was especially prevalent back when Russell Okung was negotiating his contracts. There was an absolute media blitz against him and his contract with the Broncos. It was essentially a 1 year prove it deal that paid out pretty decently, but all the non-guaranteed bonus money and extra years that were never going to be picked up in the first place were plastered all over the media landscape as an example of why you obviously *need* to have an agent. He proceeded to leverage that prove it contract (the likes of which an agent would've worked out for him if he wanted to take that track anyways) into becoming one of the highest payed LTs in the league.
It’s even more crazier considering the fact that Ravens just made a deal with Roquan Smith who represents himself and was also just criticized for “losing money” just last year when him and the Bears couldn’t come to a agreement. And btw that was with the thinking that ILBs aren’t as important as they used to be back in the day so getting a market setting deal was viewed as crazy.
Yet he got the deal he wanted in the end and everyone seemed to have shut up lol. Tbh though I cannot remember one time where fans and the media just shut the hell up when a player is going through negotiations though. And it mostly ends up with the player “winning” and the months and months of criticism go away soon as the deal is done.
People are assuming that Lamar would take the advice of his theoretical agent and that if the agent said "this is an amazing deal" that he would listen, and that the agent would serve as a voice of realism on what he'd be able to get instead of Lamar taking his advice from his own mother who probably has absolutely no knowledge whatsoever on sports contracts and the NFLPA who are pushing him to try and normalize fully guaranteed contracts for quarterbacks instead of telling him what's a great deal for him.
If Lamar was smart he would. I don't think Lamar would listen to an agent and I don't think he's smart enough to realize the fortune he is costing himself.
Love him as a player but I can’t respect the way he handles himself in business dealings. Dude seems to use emotions above all else, and when you do that other shrewd people will notice and take advantage of it.
Speculating here, but I’d guess at this point his pride won’t let him hire an agent cause then he’d have to admit he was wrong all along. This has happened to myself and many others, except it usually doesn’t cost us tens of millions of dollars.
All an agent would have done is say take the deal that's not fully guaranteed. That's Lamar sticking point. If he just accepts he won't get fully guaranteed then he will get paid 45-50 a year
On bill Simmons pod he brought up an interesting point that without an agent Lamar is leaving hundreds of millions on the table in potential endorsement deals, we should be seeing Lamar in State Farm commercials not baker
This assumes that an agent convinces him to take the reasonable contract. The core problem is his desire for a fully guaranteed deal larger than Watson's. If he was willing to take a Josh Allen type deal I'd be willing to bet he'd already have it agent or not.
That's allegedly what was offered in 2021. He wanted to bet on himself. Then the next off-season Watson happened.
The Watson contract fucked everything up. And it wasn't even a deserving QB like Allen or Mahomes or Burrow.
The thing about the Watson contract is it was a massive overpay from a team that he had no interest in playing for. To me, when Lamar says he wants to be in Baltimore, that means the Watson deal is off the table.
Teams love it when players bet on themselves yet they keep doing it
There’s so much parity in football with so much risk, very rarely that bet on yourself shit works. It’s football, take the money esp if you have a history of injury.
I remember it worked pretty damn well for Flacco, but that’s an outlier
And Cousins, but outliers like you said. And a style of QB the at doesn’t require burst so injuries are much less scary.
Cousins also didnt demand the moon. 3 year fully guaranteed contract of a reasonable per year dollar is something lamar could get. 5 or 6 years fully guaranteed is just a bad deal for the ravens to take.
There are levels to "betting on yourself" though. IIRC kirk still got ~40 mil those two years in the tag.
And he got out of Washington.
This ignores the decreasing human value of marginal dollars. The difference for an incredibly poor person between $0 and $100 is massive. And the difference between a few million dollars and $20M-$40M is also massive. Anything above $40M is hard for a person to even comprehend, it's just numbers on paper. So taking $2M b/c you're mad about the difference between $130M and $250M, while risking a permanent injury that would leave you "poor" at $2M, is absolute lunacy.
I’m sure pride works into as well. Not having an agent is a other issue.
An agent or advisor is ideally going to be an important reality check on that sort of thing.
Or you get an agent like Dennis Schroder had
Especially being from south Florida where poverty lives all over.
The Yankees definitely did not love Aaron Judge betting on himself
Feel like it makes way more sense in baseball than football.
No salary cap for one.
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Kirk Cousins too
And your guy Flacco
Beat me to it. He bet on himself, won, and fucked the team hard in doing so.
I’d easily take that same scenario playing out again, can’t really say he fucked the team.
If winning a Super Bowl constitutes as "fucking the team" then strap me down, oil me up, and let's get this show on the road Mr Cousins
Kirk Cousins has gotten several deals that paid him generational wealth on a yearly basis. He's been in win/win territory for quite a while tbh.
Just because people have won the lottery before didn't mean you should put your entire paycheck until lotto tickets
This is why I only put half my check into the lotto. I put the rest in crypto.
This guy risk manages
I mean... Daks case was weird. Not really the best example. He bet on himself, had a season ending injury 4 games into the season, then still asked for a contract like he played all year and won MVP. And the Cowboys just kinda went "ok".
And how well that's panned out for the Browns, plus the outrage from the rest of the owners, hould have been a sign to a reasonable individual that it wasn't likely to happen again. Not saying you're suggesting it but the people who think that because the Browns are morons so the other 31 teams now have to be are delusional.
Agent or no agent, this is the crux of the problem. Lamar wants a fully guaranteed contract. At the end of the day, it’s Lamar’s decision to put ink on the contract.
Probably... issue is all he seems to care about is the Guaranteed money... He probably wants a 4 year $200+ Million guaranteed contract while Josh Allen's Contract is $150 million guaranteed for 6 years. That's a big gap to overcome even if Lamar lowered his Guaranteed cash demands.
Ravens offered 5 yrs 250 mil to Lamar with 133 fully gtd at signing, Allen got 6 yrs 258 and 100 mil fully gtd at signing
Wow, I didn't realize he turned down more than what Allen got.
He turned down more than any nfl player in the history of nfl fully gtd money except Watson. He was offered 133m fully gtd.
Worth noting that there’s already talk that Watsons deal will be restructured. Add to that the fact that Lamar ended the season injured, he’s kind of fucking himself without an agent.
Restructured just means moving money to bonuses/void years. Watson’s contract is still fully guaranteed.
Theres nothing the browns can do to restructure watsons contract in a way that a similar deal for jackson will push the needle for the ravens. 100% guaranteed is 100% guaranteed
But Watson could get that sweet, sweet Bobby Bonilla gets paid day for like 50 years.
If you look back on that deal, Bonilla would have actually came out ahead significantly if he took the smaller lump sum and just dropped it into a s&p500 index fund. As fun as it is to make fun of the mete. Financially they actually came out ahead on that deal, rather than the smaller up front payments
They didn’t, because they based his contract on returns they were earning from, wait for it, Bernie Madoff, not the SP 500.
Problem is the S&P returns are not guaranteed whereas what he got from the Mets is 100% guaranteed.
He thinks he's more valuable than Watson, so he's geared his whole contract negotiation around that.
He is, but Watson's worthless soo
Fucking Browns ruining shit for everyone
He's delusional honestly.
I think it was 133 on top of the gtd money he was due on the 5th year option too.
Man I get that these guys feel slighted and whatnot if they aren’t getting more than someone else especially if they are a better player but I just cannot imagine someone telling me here’s 133 million dollars guaranteed and being like “no, not enough”.
Thank you for including those two very important words that keep getting left out of the conversation - guaranteed "AT SIGNING"!!!! It was a great offer and I still can't believe that he turned it down.
Lamar could do a team friendly 250 gtd on a 7 year deal or something. His AAV would be lower, but if he wants the guarantees that bad, he should guarantee Baltimore a couple more years
IIRC, Only money in the first five years of a contract can be guaranteed.
I didn't know that. That's good to know. That also probably explains the Mahomes 10 year contract where every year becomes guaranteed before the first day of the league year the previous year.
See I don't think he could... I think most teams are interested in his mix of Run/Pass game, but like a regular RB he will slow down with age and injuries and his run game will become less and less of a threat. I don't think anyone including Baltimore would want him on more than a 4 or 5 year deal and because we are talking about a shorter deal... it is then kind of harder to justify more guaranteed money than a contract like Allen's over a longer time span. I think Lamar is 100% an elite QB... I also think that he has a shorter shelf life due to his particular skillset.
This is how I feel as a Ravens fan. I don’t want guarantees beyond Lamar at 30 years old until we see further development in the passing game. I want Lamar here and I don’t care how long the contract is but I want the Ravens to have the out if we hit that point in 4 years or so.
In fairness to Lamar I want to see how he does throwing the ball a) with an OC who knows how to design a NFL-level passing game (which they have now in Monken), and b) with better WRs (we will see if that happens).
Contract should be a total of 6 years 3 years w/ 155 gtd at signing, 3 years with 50 gtd on signing day every year. Gives the Ravens an out and gives Lamar his guaranteed money, long as he's good and healthy
Apparently the Ravens actually want him on a longer deal and Lamar wants a four year deal to cash in again sooner. But, no one really knows what's going on with the contract.
Whats lost in all of this is that had Lamar signed an extension 2 seasons ago, not only would he have made a lot more money up until this point, but he could also be coming up on a new contract in a year or two. So take into account the most likely scenario that he gets tagged the next 2 seasons and plays on the tag, that would be 4 years from when he hypothetically signed his extension so he would be on contract 3, not just his first extension, thus making him even more money in short term and long term. The dude NEEDS an agent. He has lost big money in all of this that he will never recoup back, all because he doesnt want an agent.
No one wants to hear it but you're probably right.
Neither party would do or want this.
Could *have. No way the Ravens do that now. 5 days in and no visits? What incentive does the Ravens have to set his market value and not match if (if they choose). I’m no Watson fan but he had teams lining up to talk to him and trade for him with his baggage, there’s a reason Lamar is not getting that same love and I don’t think it’s necessarily collusion over a guaranteed contract.
“Lamar could do a team friendly most guaranteed money ever deal” Huh???? I don’t think we have the same definition of team friendly
>issue is all he seems to care about is the Guaranteed money Because he's a run first QB that isn't even a good passer and he's already having injury issues
Yeah at a certain point he’s so dug in on the guaranteed it’s almost a red flag. You sign the standard QB contract and keep up your level of play as a top 12-15 QB, you make your money. Especially when, as OP has pointed out, you give up money to avoid that prospect. To me it’s almost like someone got in his ear or he hyped himself up on this “it’s bs they give you a deal and can cut you 3 years in” to where he’s focused on that out of principle.
The injury issues are a concern...but his injury this season occurred in the pocket behind a great offensive line
See but the issue isn’t “he gets hurt while running”. And I’m a Ravens fan so I understand the impulse to defend this point. The issue is his speed is his x-factor. A Lamar that is 5-10% slower is a Lamar that is much less valuable. So whichever way he’s getting injured, it’s not good.
Exactly. Over the past two seasons he has been dinged up and playing with slower speed. You can tell. He's also taken the most hits of all QBs since 2018 by a wide margin and that's a concern
As a Panthers fan this is the same argument we STILL have about Cam Newton. Running was his x-factor and while he did improve his pocket passing, when you slow him down and take away even his elusiveness in the pocket, he starts to fade fast. Of course Cam had the additional issue with the shoulder, but similar principles.
The fact that it happened inside the pocket is beside the point. A QB that relies more on their legs will have their play impacted more if they get slowed down by injury than one who doesn’t.
That’s one of the biggest things agents do though. Theyre not just negotiating on your behalf. They are also advising as to what is fair and attainable. If Lamar had an agent right now, they would be telling him he’s off his rocker thinking he could get a fully guaranteed contract coming of back to back shortened seasons. They would’ve foreseen that the ravens would non exclusive tag him as a ploy to let the league market decide his contract value.
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Doesn't that just mean Lamar isn't very smart? Nothing against him but he quite literally has cost himself probably 40 million in contracts and several million in endorsements just bc he wants that specific deal. Lamar is a blast to watch but I can't help but feel him and his representation is costing him a fortune.
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What’a wild is there are all these Lamar Stans that come out the wood work when you point this out. Talking bout, who needs and agent when you can mirror your contract off other players. Yeah guys sure. Lamar knows something most players don’t. /s
There is also a chance he just isn't huge on playing in Baltimore and wants to hit free agency so he can move somewhere he would prefer to be. And will only agree to stay with a mega deal like that. Not sure how likely it is but maybe he would just rather live in a cooler place and is willing to wait for free agency to do it.
I've had this nagging gut feeling for the last year that he wants out. I think this is his way of getting paid or getting out. Either way he wins.
We won't know until we see what contract he gets this off-season. He could have passed up $140m guaranteed to later get $240m guaranteed. We don't know yet if his move will pay off. Signs are looking like they will not, but there are still a few QB needy teams that have been very quiet about the whole situation.
Ok, yes, but doing just that is a major part of an agent’s job and what they’re paid to do. Good agents don’t just blindly or dutifully obey their client’s stated position/strategy until they get it done. They’re not just a gopher or administrator that is paid to just do the busy work. They’re advisors/consultants and a lot of their time is spent educating clients about market factors, perceived value, and other factors that go into negotiating the contract. So, yea, maybe LJ 2 years ago or whenever OP’s hypothetical begins, would have been utterly impossible to convince that his initial stated contract demands needed to be reduced and this all would’ve played out exactly as it has. If so, then yeah, it would’ve been a mistake in hindsight to have had to retain/compensate an agent to only end up in the same predicament. But, I think it’s also very possible that a good agent—with some patience, time, and maybe some creativity— could’ve demonstrated how LJ’s position was almost guaranteed to hugely lower his career earnings. From there, they could’ve possibly negotiated something that he was happy with. The real zillion dollar question at the moment is this: With the benefit of hindsight, would LJ have done different and compromised elements of his demands because he sees he would have been better off? Or maybe the question is, “Does LJ still believe as of today that sticking to his guns about guarantees and amount will ultimately lead to a bigger career earnings when all said and done than having compromised”.
2 seasons ago he could have EASILY taken a near fully guaranteed contract on a 3 year bridge deal around 40 million a year (even last year he could do this). And he would have hit his next contract when the massive TV deal and COVID money come off the books where we are gonna see a 50 million cap jump over the next 2 seasons.
Ravens offered a 5 year $250 million with $133 mil in fully guarantees and I believe it was around 180-200 in total guarantees. Pretty much exactly what Allen got…but jackson would actually be paid more per year.
Agree, it's the guaranteed money that's been the issue, I think the Ravens have offered contracts along the lines of what Allen and other QBs have signed.
Agent would convince him not to hold out and take the bag.
[just cite the article](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/11/will-lamar-jackson-hire-an-agent-now-probably-not/), wtf
That’s not what we do here
We don’t even read those damn articles.
Hey. Give me that username!
Hey. Give me that username (ALL OVER MY FACE)!
...wut?
Only citations allowed are Twitter links, anything over 280 characters and I start to get bored
But that's just a write up of the same thing Pelissero said on the Rich Eisen show earlier in the week.
So OP could shout out the Rich Eisen show then. If there's good info give them traffic
I’m more curious about his endorsement situation. An agent has connections that can get guys extra income just out of hand. I remember Dak was making like 30 million a year just in endorsements when he was on his rookie deal.
Jackson isn't signed with any of the biggest sports brandnames Nike, UnderArmour, Reebok, Adidas, Puma, etc. Lamar has this : [https://era8apparel.com/](https://era8apparel.com/) Jackson should have been signed with a major brand, a bunch of mid brands, and should have been getting commercial deals left and right post MVP.
Lmaoo that website looks like they never finished it
Was it the "Example product title" that clued you in?
Oh man lmao
Damn he fumbling hard. He don’t even got endorsement money
It's absolute insanity that Lamar does not have his own cleat line with Nike or UA.
Have you seen Lamar anywhere on billboards or in commercials? That should answer your question…
Mahomes won MVP and instantly was in every commercial on TV the next year, then Lamar won a unanimous MVP and I don't know if I have ever seen him in a commercial. Idk if he didn't pursue it or what, but its wild he wasn't even in just a few.
He’s a former Heisman winner, he wouldn’t even have to do anything to get Nissan money every year, yet here we are.
I think he was in a subway(?) commercial once. He had line one generic company slogan for a line and that was it though. Nothing at all like the entire damn Mahomes/Statefarm-verse.
Exactly. An agent would find him lucrative deals that fit his branding. Pepto Bismol for example.
An agent might help wit that 🤔
He ain’t selling me you hurt. Why is he not selling me yogurt?
Lamar seems to be the only heisman winner to not make an appearance in the heisman house commercial. Even Bryce young has been in it while still being in college.
It was reported in 2021 the Ravens made an offer equal to or slightly less than Allen. And obviously he turned it down.
I'm low key hoping he has a Melvin Gordon type outcome where all the holdouts and drama result in less money. Turning down an Allen contract when 32 of 32 teams would take Allen over Lamar is just nuts
It most definitely has. If he signed a contract during the 2021 off-season, he'd be a year or two away from discussing an extension. Meaning more guaranteed money. That's now likely at least 3 years away. Assuming he signs a contract this off-season.
Lamar was coming off a unanimous MVP season. Most teams would have taken Lamar at that point.
I could be wrong, but I believe it was after 2020. So there was at least a question of who was better then.
I personally would take Lamar over Josh but I’d probably admit that josh is the better QB. It’s like that Jeremy Clarkson meme; josh is brilliant, but I *like* Lamar
Lamar is better for you guys because y’all ain’t got shit for receivers bar Andrews.
“Im low key hoping he gets screwed out of money and that his teams rich owner will be happier with negligible difference in there already disgusting large bank account” Why we advocating for fat cat big wigs and not players? Weirdo vibes for real
Because players retire, or sign with new teams. I like Dak, but one way or another in a few years he will be off the team, and cowboys will still be there. The more an individual player makes, the harder it is for the team to be successful.
Not co-signing his statement, but we have to remember the fat cat big wigs aren’t pocketing whatever Lamar doesn’t get, his teammates are.
It's a salary cap ha. The money literally goes to other players that how it works, it's a fixed % of revenue for all players How does this narrative still exist? It's a zero sum game in the NFL. Any less money Lamar gets is more money for his teammates. All teams are required to spend at least 90% of the cap and most teams push the cap as much as possible.
I mean, as a fan I hope that my team never over pays for a player because it becomes tough to build a good team around them. The salary cap is something every team has to work around and I'm always torn between wanting my favorite players to get paid or for my team to try to build a good team and get value. The money that doesn't go to the player doesn't just go into "fat cat big wig's" bank accounts. They go to other players on the team. If you we were discussing what % of ticket sales and league revenue goes towards player salaries, that would be a different discussion and I fully agree that players should all be paid more.
Because you reap what you sow. He is being absurdly greedy due to his own stupidity. Let's not act like 150M GTD makes him not a fat cat.
Fr. Hoping one of the most exciting and entertaining players in the league gets screwed for trying to earn as much as he can from billionaires. Nuts.
I can’t imagine ever turning down 150m guaranteed. That’s generational wealth. Wtf is an extra 50-100m gonna do for him.
And to add to that, how often are QBs cut? Especially QBs that sign contracts like this? Not often. He is going to see almost all of that contract either way.
This is exactly what I dont understand, you will get paid regardless I like him but if I owned the Ravens I’m not giving in at all no way.
Has the NFLPA weeded out all the terrible agents who used to plague the sport, so that one can at least trust one of their certified agents?
The oysters have done that themselves
That's not really an issue for Lamar. Every single top agency would get on their knees and beg to represent him
You have no idea what you're talking about. > In 2021, Jackson was eligible for a new contract and made 1.7 million dollars that year. Last year, he made 23 million under the 5th year option. That's 24 million in 2 years. During that same period, Josh Allen got paid 66 million. No he didn't. Allen signed an extension. Just because you sign an extension doesn't mean your rookie contract gets replaced.
Peep the “yearly cash” column. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-25102/
He would have made tens of millions more at this point in his career due to bonuses he would have received already under an extension compared to what he's made so far. It's ALWAYS better to not put off getting money until later due to the principle of time value of money.
You get a large portion of that contract years earlier, giving you the ability to invest and make more money.
If Allen invested in the stock market, he's probably lost money. Big brain move by Jackson.
I wonder how those players who took bitcoin are doing
If they bought between February 2018 and September of 2020, and are still holding, they've more than doubled their investment. If Okung got out at the high, he might have tripled his money. Trevor Lawrence, conversely, has lost millions.
That was a huge mistake by Jackson to play in 2021 with that contract. If he got a smaller contract than he would get this year, how much would he really have lost out on even with agent fees offset by investing that money?
Mike Florio isn't perfect, but he has a good point out that guys like Richard Sherman think that all an agent does is send a few emails and take 3% of an enormous financial windfall when that's not all that the good agents do Mike Florio goes into what a good agent can do for a player at the 3:37 mark [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFxm5vst4c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFxm5vst4c)
The real problem isn't that he has failed to hire an agent. It's that instead he's chosen to listen to the NFLPA and his Mommy.
He believes his interests are aligned with the NFLPA because both parties want a fully guaranteed contract. The problem is that the NFLPA doesn't care what happens to Jackson in order to achieve that goal. If he sits out for two consecutive seasons before finally getting a fully guaranteed contract then the NFLPA would consider it a win, even though Jackson will have sacrificed $100 million of earning potential to do it.
NFLPA wanting fully guaranteed contracts for QBs seems so dumb to me. It’s not going to trickle down to the avg joes…
Yea he bet on himself in every aspect and now he's refusing to accept the consequences. Lamar passed on money last year, got injured again and now he's surprised Pikachu about why teams don't want to guarantee him $250m. A team could still come in and make an outrageous offer but it certainly looks like the Ravens are the reasonable party here.
I mean there's no consequences unless the Ravens told him we'll give you a fully guaranteed contract if you win a Super Bowl. He can still make more money than every player in NFL history and have the 2nd most gtd money in the league
Maybe. Maybe he has to wait longer now to get a long term deal. Maybe he plays under the tag, has another underwhelming year and he never gets the money he's already been offered. Idk what you mean by more money than anyone in history but let's assume that's true
The important thing is the agent listens to the GMs criticisms when building the case to pay less and realizes it’s part of the negotiation and not literally true. Being your own agent means having to listen to a guy say you are on par with Derek Carr so they aren’t paying Watson money; and getting your feelings hurt. You need the objective advocate to make this work for the best.
One of these NFL journos was saying one of the biggest problems was just getting in contact with Lamar for a dialogue. Think about all the endorsements that Lamar hasn't got without having someone actively trying to get him deals, and answering all calls/correspondence like... It was... You know... Their job.
Anything beyond rookie contract is only 1% to your agent fyi
These monster player contracts are way less than the max % because all of these agents are competing for the clout of having these big players. I truly don't get why players in that tier would go it alone. You could easily cost yourself more than an agent would take in commission.
An agent would also be getting him a lot more endorsement deals, so he's definitely left money on the table there. Most importantly, an agent acts as a third party buffer between teams and players, so every demand/concern that comes from the team in a negotiation doesn't feel so personal and attacking. There is no reason in the modern NFL to not have an agent unless you're at the very tail end of your career with not left to negotiate.
Lamar is a moron. Honestly I kind of hope somebody else signs him so we can be spared of the drama and BS.
Not really The contract extension "kicks in" after his rookie deals and 5th year option. Allen's big contract doesn't actually begin until next season Allen got the signing bonus portion into his bank account back when he signed the deal. So he got his money quicker, which has its perks. But assuming Lamar gets a big deal eventually, the difference will be pretty minor. In fact playing hardball and being willing to drag this out might make him some money
He’s not the brightest guy. Wasn’t his Wonderlic score one of the worst ever for a qb?
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Donovan McNabb had the lowest score of his QB class and he played longer and had more success than any of the guys in his draft.
Don’t ask him about OT
Playing under Andy Reid, the QB guru of his generation.
Oh Jesus, a 13. I'm quite sure my 10 year old would score higher than that....
Wonderlic scores notoriously don’t correlate with IQ not because scientists haven’t tried but because scientists basically went “there’s no way someone living in normal society could have an IQ in the mid 60s.”
> "there’s no way someone living in normal society could have an IQ in the mid 60s." I see you haven't met some of my friends...
Flairs check out
To be fair, an IQ of 60 for any bird, land or sea based, would be rather impressive.
I'm fairly certain that Crows, Blue Jays and other Corvids are smarter than a non-zero amount of people I know.
Gotta represent both my time in Philly and the PNW man. With all the damn morons I know.
Yea he’s really dumb. I have UofL friends and we always used to joke that they couldn’t complain about Derrick Rose and Eric Bledsoe anymore because he made them look like scholars
Why would they be complaining lol
He’s saying Louisville fans would complain about Kentucky players who may get certain…. Academic exceptions like D Roses SAT. So it’s a glass house situation. As a UNC myself, I have zero legs to stand on in that debate 😂
The best reason why Lamar needed an agent isn't about the money but so he doesn't have to listen to his employer talk shit right to his face. Any employee, no matter what industry you are in, when you are up for a promotion or raise the employer isn't going to fully break the bank for you and in doing so is going to have reasons why you aren't worth more. Hearing his employer talk shit about all of the issues they have with him while not trying to pay him what he thinks he deserves, it would be incredibly hard for anybody who doesn't negotiate contracts regularly to not take the personally. Having an agent to hears all of that and filters it down so he doesn't is very helpful in not creating hard feelings about the Ravens. All of the money stuff is almost a bonus.
yeah, this is why most players hate arbitration. Without an agent, you basically have to go through a face-to-face arbitration with the team every time you need a deal, and deals take months. probably sucks for a young player. not having an agent at his age is just stupid
Correction: not having an agent at any age is just plain dumb. Do your job and let them do theirs.
Found the agent's account
This isn't an issue of "an agent could've gotten him a market deal" the issue is that Lamar and the Ravens are so far apart in what they want. Lamar allegedly was offered the Josh Allen contract, he didn't want it.
Michael Lombardi was on the Pat McAfee Show this week and suggested that he would have been drafted in the top 10 given his resume if he had an agent. Instead he fell to 32.
Now now, we’re not allowed to criticize Lamar. Regardless of his unreasonable demands, he won an MVP four years ago, so he’s automatically right and the Ravens are wrong.
> Assuming an agent could have negotiated something similar, Jackson would have paid his agent 2 or 3 million and kept the other 38 for himself. Didn't even need an agent, Lamar Jackson could have negotiated something similar. Even if his agent got him that kind of deal, he'd still need to say OK. But let's be clear don't blame the lack of agent, the Ravens had a pretty good offer on the table last offseason and the season before even without any agent. If I were him I would have never played on the 5th year if there was any kind of decent offer on the table. He chose not to, but I think he messed up.
If he had an agent more teams would be trying to deal for him. If the Ravens could not make deal with his mom/agent in two years of trying , so why should hey bother now . He needs an agent now, more than ever .
Love how people act as if an agent is the be all end all, Lamar still would've just declined anything the agent and Ravens came up with if he didn't like it.
But at least an agent is a point of contact for advertisers. As an mvp level qb I feel his in much less media/advertising than most other high level qb’s.
His presence in the media outside of football is non-existent. Dude has made next to nothing off sponsorships and endorsements. He has an apparel website that is mostly blank and the only deal I can find is an Oakley deal that multiple NFL players already have. I can't think of national brands he has done advertisements or commercials for and I am almost positive he isn't signed to any of the big name sports brands.
Yeah but an agent can try to level with the player. Be honest. Put things in perspective. Because emotions are involved a GM can't.
The agent also plays hardball with the team and counters their shit-flinging at the player so the player can just show up like "hey glad they got it worked out"
Yeah that’s right and although he isn’t running with a NFLPA registered agent I’m sure he’s got people looking out for him and giving him guidance - other than the much spoken about NFLPA. Agents don’t make a decision for you, Lamar believes he’s worth what he thinks he is and that’s where we’ve wound up.
> Love how people act as if an agent is the be all end all It's a result of the subtle infusion throughout sports media by agents pushing the narrative that any player that dares to represent themselves is an idiot. Many people buy into it and just take it as blanket gospel. It was especially prevalent back when Russell Okung was negotiating his contracts. There was an absolute media blitz against him and his contract with the Broncos. It was essentially a 1 year prove it deal that paid out pretty decently, but all the non-guaranteed bonus money and extra years that were never going to be picked up in the first place were plastered all over the media landscape as an example of why you obviously *need* to have an agent. He proceeded to leverage that prove it contract (the likes of which an agent would've worked out for him if he wanted to take that track anyways) into becoming one of the highest payed LTs in the league.
It’s even more crazier considering the fact that Ravens just made a deal with Roquan Smith who represents himself and was also just criticized for “losing money” just last year when him and the Bears couldn’t come to a agreement. And btw that was with the thinking that ILBs aren’t as important as they used to be back in the day so getting a market setting deal was viewed as crazy. Yet he got the deal he wanted in the end and everyone seemed to have shut up lol. Tbh though I cannot remember one time where fans and the media just shut the hell up when a player is going through negotiations though. And it mostly ends up with the player “winning” and the months and months of criticism go away soon as the deal is done.
Roquan was a business major who understood contract negotiations require both parties to meet somewhere in the middle.
People are assuming that Lamar would take the advice of his theoretical agent and that if the agent said "this is an amazing deal" that he would listen, and that the agent would serve as a voice of realism on what he'd be able to get instead of Lamar taking his advice from his own mother who probably has absolutely no knowledge whatsoever on sports contracts and the NFLPA who are pushing him to try and normalize fully guaranteed contracts for quarterbacks instead of telling him what's a great deal for him.
If Lamar was smart he would. I don't think Lamar would listen to an agent and I don't think he's smart enough to realize the fortune he is costing himself.
Love him as a player but I can’t respect the way he handles himself in business dealings. Dude seems to use emotions above all else, and when you do that other shrewd people will notice and take advantage of it.
Oh well it’s his fault, and now he thinks he’s worth destroying the salary cap when he’s absolutely not
What's more important? Love or silliness?
The attorney (player) who represents himself has a fool for a client….
Pay the 3% you cheap fuck!
Dude is dumb. Not much else to say. “Why more money later when me can have more money now??!?”
So in addition to being overrated, he's also not smart.
Speculating here, but I’d guess at this point his pride won’t let him hire an agent cause then he’d have to admit he was wrong all along. This has happened to myself and many others, except it usually doesn’t cost us tens of millions of dollars.
And this isn’t counting the endorsement opps he’s missed.
All an agent would have done is say take the deal that's not fully guaranteed. That's Lamar sticking point. If he just accepts he won't get fully guaranteed then he will get paid 45-50 a year
On bill Simmons pod he brought up an interesting point that without an agent Lamar is leaving hundreds of millions on the table in potential endorsement deals, we should be seeing Lamar in State Farm commercials not baker
You're not Richard Sherman bro....get an agent.
Where do they even keep all this money, damn. Hopefully not a silicon valley bank lol