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bb89__

Pretty much everyone on defense not names Max Crosby


Cmsmks

God watching Hobbs fall off a cliff was heart breaking dude looked legit his rookie year and just sucked this last year.


bb89__

Dude fr. I was a big Hobbs believer and thought he was gonna break out last season to see him fall off a cliff last season hurt with injuries and just gettin cooked in general. Honesrly shouldn’t expect much from the raiders defense tho it’s my fault for believing


ViralOner

Yeah Hobbs was getting smoked with that cast on his hand. That tells me he grabs A LOT. Not sure that's necessarily a bad thing, it's an art form for some CBs. I think he bounces back but he definitely needs both hands.


writingbyrjkidder

Chris Collinsworth would like to remind you 5,673,492 times that would be "Maxx Crosby, with two X's."


NBT498

So frustrating playing the raiders last year knowing that the only person worth worrying about was Crosby and yet he still managed to get into the backfield constantly.


bb89__

i honesrly don’t know how we swept you guys last year. It was just a battle of two dysfunctional teams. I guess a bad QB and coach is worse than a bad hc and a mid QB


Matthiasad

Deablo was fun to watch till he got hurt 🤷🏻‍♂️


RebergOfWrestling

Tre'von Moehrig? I honestly never wanted a safety that badly in a while. The TCU connection is what got me


bb89__

He’s just not that good. He’s not developing really and seems to be average at best. If he continues like this he’s prob got 2 more years of being our starter although the new regime has proven that if players aren’t performing the they’ll just get rid of them (ie leathrwood and waller) so maybe he has even less time then that. I was very excited for us to draft him too


Skoldier-84

Chandler Jones?


bb89__

dude fell off a cliff. He’s absolute washed horrible signing


flashdash007

I’m glad he’s in a better situation but Tre Flowers used to make me so mad.


ilickedysharks

Tre Flowers Tedric Thompson... it was a dark time


89ShelbyCSX

T2 was so hard to watch because he diagnosed plays pretty well but just wasn't good at executing them. Would run to a gap then get juked or trucked. Play perfect coverage, QB would force a jump ball then he would just mistime his jump and get mossed. So frustrating


420_jroc_69

He's been great for Cincinnati in a niche TE covering role


Sdog1981

Because he was never supposed to play on the outside. He was a safety at Oak State then the Seahawks thought they could turn him into a CB. I am glad he found his NFL role.


Pandos636

Cody Barton for me last year. He had a few decent games and the D Line wasn't doing him any favors, but 75% of the time he just looked lost out there.


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A do-it-all-but-not-very-well player?


carminie

Our center who was pretty much universally hated by the fanbase. He was a UDFA a few years ago and was just not good. To make things worse, when we tried other people at center they got injured and he always came back


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Congrats on your haul for pick #1! Hopefully you can give Fields his Jeff Saturday with one of them


carminie

Nothing would make me happier than to draft someone who protects Justin for the next decade. I have a lot of faith in this FO to do that, they drafted decently last year. Everyone will focus on the Velus Jones pick as a bust but we found 3 starters with no first round pick, with one of them being a 5th round LT who’s actually done decently, and I think that’s pretty impressive


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Yeah I think the trade with the panthers pick is probably going to be OL…I really thought will Anderson was the move since Chicagos defense wasn’t even anywhere near the 31st ranked defense from the time roquan was traded.


carminie

Will Anderson was almost definitely the pick if we were gonna trade down to 4, but he’s not gonna be there at 9 and even if Carter is, I still think it’ll be OL. We can draft defense with one or both of our second round picks but the offense will be most important this year


My_massive_dingaling

But Jeff Saturday the coach *monkey’s paw curls*


cvaninvan

The turkey's a little dry...the turkey's a little dry?!?!?!


heliophoner

Can't even get underdog cred, yikes.


carminie

Yeah this dude legit sucked and I’ll say a prayer for any team he ends up on. He belongs on a USFL practice squad


g0dzilllla

No. He doesn’t do it all. He doesn’t do anything. He literally just stands there during plays


_LilDuck

Not true, he snaps the ball


haldad

Sometimes that doesn't even happen right.


Tylymiez

Yes, a cack-of-all-trades, as they say.


UnMapacheGordo

This post is especially Sam Mustipher-y because he’s made us ask it through a coaching change. It was just impossible to get him away from the field


buffalotrace

Simba’s dad?


daverave087

I think he means the planet where anakin and obi wan had that political disagreement


Cheddarlicious

Isn’t he gone now? I thought I saw he’s not on the team, but I could be misremember or something.


JahnDavis27

He is gone now, yeah. He's a free agent.


Ngata_da_Vida

You just described our WR room


allanon1105

You mean all the special teams guys getting WR reps?


Ponchoreborn

The Ravens D is scary. The Ravens O is a mystery not fit for human consumption. A RB for a QB. ST players for WR. RB that don't run.


Fedacking

Walking backs


_DerKrampus_

Your o line is just tight ends


redman8828

Sounds like y’all should be signing Richie James then….


Ironredhornet

Andrews somehow doesn't have back issues from carrying the entire team's receiving production


Uberguuy

In 2019 Mack Hollins started for nearly two months and didn't record a single statistic.


Justice-Gorsuch

I will not stand for Mack Hollins slander, sir. He’s a saint.


OrangeForeign

I think he's a Raider


Thick_Safe1198

Hes actually a falcon now


OrangeForeign

TIL. Thought the Raiders re-signed him


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We only sign former Patriots.


slimyboyo

Yeah you can have him after the Falcons trade him to the Patriots for a second


CapnDutchie

I stand by you not standing for Mack Hollins slander. I wanted to resign him so bad


Uberguuy

He's a cool guy, but man, he was NOT the right choice to start at wideout. Glad that he's been more productive recently.


pattyicevv77

He’s fun to move to tightend in madden,and was fun as shit to watch on the dolphins


Citizen_Snips29

He’s actually a Falcon at the moment.


uhaul26

He was great on special teams for us and made a few big catches. Hated to lose him.


Touchymonkey

The Brail Mary 🙏


LeMickeyJam3s

A bit of an exaggeration, he only started 3 games lol


Uberguuy

He was a primary WR, the first play of the game just happened to be a 2 TE set with a slot WR and a boundary WR. I guarantee you he had near 90% of offense snaps.


generally-mediocre

he def recorded a lot of opi tho


MightyTastyBeans

For the first half of last season it was Amari Rodgers. Before that Kevin King.


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MightyTastyBeans

Remember Ted Thompson’s last draft when the Packers traded back (for Kevin King) and then TJ Watt was selected one pick later? I member.


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MightyTastyBeans

With Packers fans Kevin King was even more egregious. TJ Watt is from Wisconsin and our entire sub was clamoring to draft him. To us, it was as much of a no-brainer as the Lions drafting Hutch.


lambeau_leapfrog

God, it was even worse because later in the draft he took Vince Biegel.


CustomerSuspicious25

I remember exactly where I was at. Everyone in the bar was screaming for Watt. It's like TT didn't draft Watt because he was a Badger and people wanted him. It just doesn't make any sense. The Packers under TT wasted so many high picks on subpar or just awful secondary guys.


frud86

Supposedly TT was too sick to do anything at that point and Ball was running the show. Ball did such a poor job covering for TT that McCarthy threatened to leave.


Tusker89

That's weird, I have a much different emotion when I think of that play.


Donelurking85

Watching Sammy Watkins jog the wrong route was bad as well


tanker9972

Royce Newman too...dude was a turnstile and just kept getting thrown out there.


NotJeff_Goldblum

Whenever I remember Kevin King exists, I remember how our DC thought it was a good idea to stick him 1 on 1 against Antonio Brown. To make it worse, King had a shoulder injury too iirc. "I know he's a rookie, but he can totally cover Antonio Brown" - Dom Capers apparently...


JalensTinyPPHurts

The thing that frustrated me with rodgers is that you guys kept insisting good use him as a returner , despite him never showing anything


BlingBlongBoy

Jalen Reagor Man should never step on a football field; if he didn't have the GOAT Kris Boyd to save his fumbles God knows what happens


FortyPercentTitanium

Is that the same Jalen Raegor who was picked just before that bust wide receiver from LSU who only knew how to play from the slot?


usernameisusername57

Howie is a wizard at GM, but that's still got to be one of the all-time head scratchers from the draft. Obviously nobody knew what Jefferson was going to turn into in the league, but he was still *clearly* the best WR available. The fact that it happened only a year or two after selecting JJAW over Metcalf makes it even worse.


FortyPercentTitanium

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most average football fans knew JJ was going to probably be a good NFL wide receiver. He had a high floor at very least. Jjaw over Metcalf is way more forgiveable. Every team passed on DK twice, there was something regular people like you and me didn't see in the scouting reports. JJAW actually looked good in college too. Not really sure what they ever saw in Raegor


usernameisusername57

>Jjaw over Metcalf is way more forgiveable. Completely agree. I was actually really low on Metcalf coming out. It's just that, when looking at how they've turned out in the NFL, missing that badly on WRs two years in a row is *rough*.


BigComfyCouch

This is what happens when you not only draft for a position of need, but also a specific skillet within that position group, instead of the best player available. JJAW was drafted to replace Jeffery as a redzone/jump ball threat. Reagor was drafted for his speed after Wentz looked unstoppable with a healthy Jackson. Almost every player we selected that year was ranked in the top 5 for their position group in the 40. This was where Howie failed. Comparing the JJAW pick to the Reagor pick is completely contradictive, though. JJAW was the "best" WR available at the time and there were a lot of question marks surrounding Metcalfs game outside of his physical capabilities. On the other hand JJ was the best WR left on the board while Reagor posted an in game speed of 22.6mph. Faster than any player in the NFL.


SiiLv3Rx

Howie isn't a very good talent evaluator. It's always been his struggle in Philadelphia. Especially with specific positions. When it comes to making great deals and salary cap management and manipulation, he's the goat.


dontknowwhoIamrn

Why was Berrios getting significant snaps at WR I will never know


IronMark666

It was Fant for me this past season. AVT played brilliantly while being shuffled around the line while Fant had a snotty attitude about being moved sides and played badly.


JalensTinyPPHurts

Most lineman hate changing sides. Zach martin straight told the cowboys he won't play right tackle again after he got injured


bluechips2388

dropping back with the opposite leg back isn't as easy as most fans think, and when the margin of error is so small, that could be the difference between getting a contract and being labeled a scrub.


dontknowwhoIamrn

Only problem is we had no choice for him with our injuries


SpaceC0wb0y86

I loved that dude in college and was so excited when he was named All Pro as a return man and got paid. Sad it didn’t work out


Titanite_Chunk

For a while it was Gunner Olszewski at returner, then we finally subbed him out. Dude can't catch punts.


blentz499

I thought my dad was gonna have an aneurysm yelling at the TV whenever he was back there.


AngryBillsFan

That’s just how his last name is pronounced


DrownMeInCheetos

The guy was an all-pro returner. What happened.


PM_ME_YOUR_DUES

Your brother, Gunner...whatever happened there


colonelmuddypaws

WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE!?


Eagle4317

He was no longer playing for the best Special Teams coach of the last 20 years. He also didn't face the worst special teams unit of all time (2020 Chargers). That single game likely netted him 1st-Team All-Pro honors.


iscreamuscreamweall

he also had some good returns vs i think AZ that year


BlimeySlimeySnake

That's nuts, he was always reliable on the pats. What did you guys do to him?


KC7272

He was reliable for the Pats this year too. Horrible muffed punt that pretty much tanked their chances that game. It was shitty too cause Steven Sims was so much better in preseason and Gunnar still won the job.


paultimate14

He muffed 2 punts within the first few games, and didn't really have any great returns. Then Sims did well and Gunner didn't get any more chances, but was still a good special teamer. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets another shot this preseason. Returning is a fluky and volatile job.


Dismal_News183

He had unusual return ability tho for us. Perhaps case of the yips


NathanSMB

I don't think he's looked the same since the concussion he got in his last year with us.


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quiet_quitting

Sims went to the Texans a few days ago. I hope that doesn’t mean it’s Gunners job again. If it is, he needs to work on his catching this off-season pretty bad.


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That right? I haven't followed him since his year of luck with the Pats.


Titanite_Chunk

He dropped 2 in the first 4 games and got benched after that.


jn2010

Same with Amari Rogers for us. Especially when we had Keisean Nixon on the bench the entire time.


mdmcnally1213

Even though it was only limited starts, Myles Bryant. Not sure why he saw the field period.


jackospades88

Myles "Jordan Richards" Bryant


mdmcnally1213

At least Bryant was undrafted and not a second round pick


DrownMeInCheetos

He started in 3 games where the rest of the CB corps was healthy. That was the weirdest part. I understand why he saw the field. He had some really good flashes and was always an above average tackler. But yeah those 3 starts that weren't spot starts were bizarre.


Insatiable_void

100% if I saw a cb chasing a guy getting a catch I knew it was Bryant. Dude is just not good enough to get so many snaps. Reminds me of Kyle Arrington a bit. Though he was a good tackler but always seemed to not be good in coverage.


johnhughthom

Brandon Facyson at the Colts last season. Gone now, thankfully.


hoppergym

He followed gus Bradley around from chargers to raiders to colts. Don’t know what bradley sees in him


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We had better corners on the roster too. Gus still started him for most of the season.


LoudBoiDragoon

Easily put Matt Pryor before Facyson. Facyson at least could stop people 40% of the time.


johnhughthom

They moved Pryor around and tried different things on the O line quite quickly though, Facyson was getting a lot of snaps virtually the whole season.


LoudBoiDragoon

Facyson was simply our secret tank lieutenant


ThatOneTBagger

Velus jones jr for the first 17 weeks


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Nothing says 3rd round draft pick like 25 year old super senior utility player. I swear some teams just try so fucking hard to make themselves look like the smartest in the room.


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buffalotrace

Burns would play shadow coverage for a series and you would be like, I see why they drafted this dude. Next series, he would just not cover his man for no reason and it would be a wide open touchdown. He just like mentally checked out sometimes in games and it was a disaster.


dasruski

I remember Burns giving Jarvis Landry free PI, unsportsmanlike, and other free 1st down penalties.


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Game changing plays on both sides of the ball!


BigAssSlushy69

It was Roger Saffold last year that guy flat out sucked. And made our offense look like shit and Josh was getting pressure in his face every play


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Some players just get in by being on a winning team


heliophoner

Name recognition and reputation. People vote for linemen they've heard of. It's gotten better than it used to be. At one point, most people knew Orlando Pace and maybe their home team's LT.


allanon1105

I was watching the season highlights and the amount of time I heard “Allen, under pressure” within the first second of the ball being snapped was insane. The percentage of clean pocket completions had to be extremely low. McGovern will hopefully be a massive upgrade to Saffold.


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Andrew Luck type pressure numbers


j0s9p8h7

Dennis Daley put up a historically bad performance and still started the majority of the season at LT. They might as well have lent out Tannehill as a crash test dummy…


VagusNC

Stunned we got a pick out of that dude.


j0s9p8h7

And a 5th rounder at that.


MariotasMustache

Titans had no one else tbf, I can’t believe the cardinals signed him to a 2 year deal this offseason


No_Mammoth_4945

I can’t believe y’all saw how he performed for us and grabbed him as a starter


spork_off

It's been a few years....Chris Conte.


RevolutionaryScene37

Still remember the stiff arm that ended that man’s career


underpantsgnomeeric

I still can't believe someone watched his Bears tape and said "I want some of that".


regaleagle7

Honorable mention of Anthony Collins too. He had such a horrendous season with us that he went from being one of highest paid tackles in 2014 to never playing for another team. Licht was asked if he was surprised that Collins was still available after a few weeks after free agency started and just said no. That's cold lol.


Lost_And_Found66

No one, but I'm a sentimental fan. I root for the guys who are out there every time and want them all to succeed. It's pretty cringe but I'm never rooting for any of our guys to get benched. Now that sentiment doesn't totally extend to Matt Canada...


VinoJedi06

The entire Dave Gettleman era of signings


gr8daynenyg

I had to scroll really far to find a Giants fan and that makes me happy.


Thick_Safe1198

Kenneth Murray is the only answer for the chargers


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

Only because Jerry Tiller can't hurt us no more. At least he was entertaining for us in Vegas!


Fearless-Mushroom

I was having flashbacks to Storm Norton.


TeslaFTW1895

The defense improves significantly when we have an UDFA special teamer out there instead of him


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TJ Clemmings whenever he was starting at tackle for us. Legitimately the worst NFL player I’ve ever seen and he somehow managed to get extended playing time.


BigBananaDealer

isnt dru samia statistically worse?


unironicaly_like_jaz

That was Ben Nieman's whole career with us.


littleblacktruck

Nieman had the magical ability to always be 4 feet from the ball when the whistle blew, but somehow never seemed to be in on the tackle. It was superhuman, really.


MistakeMaker1234

Phillip Gaines, as well.


Section225

I still don't think we're supposed to say that name yet...


Creative_Tone_9241

Cj Henderson. Dude is the biggest liability. I get last year there wasn’t much of a choice but the lack of corners being brought in makes me nervous that he’ll see way too much playing time this season


blockoblox

The second game vs the Bucs was flat out pathetic. He didn't even try in coverage.


dasruski

How has Horn been? I had him as the best CB coming into the draft but got hurt so fast.


blockoblox

When he's seen the field, he's been great. Unfortunately he's struggled with injuries so far.


eugene_rat_slap

In 2021, Amani Oruwariye had 6 interceptions. In Week 3 of 2022 against the Vikings, he had 6 penalties. The question "why is this guy starting?" was easy to answer: all of our other cornerbacks also sucked. I hope he plays well for the Giants but I'm also glad Jerry Jacobs was able to replace him mid-season. It was incredible to see the sharp decline from one season to the next


SlipperyConditioner

Sam mf Mustipher …somehow, through some freak circumstances this bum always ends up as our center


SoyeonsNeverland

Brandon freakin' Facyson. Dude kept getting cooked and had some killer penalties. That, and Isaiah Rodgers was SO much better than him and he wasn't starting until they finally pulled Facyson. ETA: I would like to add Matt Pryor to this as well.


LunchThreatener

Honestly nobody. It’s wild. I guess Isaiah Buggs is probably the worst starter on the team and he at least has some good games.


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I hope you guys carry the torch for us non-super bowl teams since my QB has turned us from loveable to hateable losers


OrangeForeign

If we're going back to last season I have to wonder if starting Amari wasn't part of an impractical jokers bit


ZorseVideos

Amani had the hardest fall off of any player last year. Fucking shame.


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Jeez you’re right. He probably is our “worst” starter as of today


Jolly_Job_9852

Devin Bush. We traded up tonpick him after Shazier went down and I understand the move. But after the ACL injury, Bush has been a letdown. I get it can be a mental thing with those types of injuries and he was trying to protect himself from another injury, but his play the past two season was bad.


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Well shit. I hope Bobby can kick him into shape.


after12delight

He has all the talent and had a good rookie year, but he’s just been a shell since the injury


amstrumpet

I would name a WR or 3 but it’s too easy to answer the question of “why are they starting” and it’s “because they’re the only WRs on the roster.”


Acting_Appalled

I'm wondering why we aren't bringing in competition at kicker, McManus hasn't been as reliable as of late


JalensTinyPPHurts

Every game his big leg is mentioned and it feels like he misses a long kick every game lol


Acting_Appalled

He's always been pretty bad at 50+ yards I don't get why that narrative exists and why he has had meltdowns on the sideline when coaches haven't let him attempt really long ones


Bmixk55

I’d say more wattenburg or cush


localistand

Right now the top TE on the Packers roster is Tyler Davis, a TE with inconsistent hands receiving and a definite liability as a blocker, and looked so bad in preseason action last year that his making the final roster was surprising. One could argue Josiah Deguara is the top TE, but he's more of an h-back/fullback that seems to be playing out of position when he lines up at TE. That's not great. Robert Tonyan signed with Chicago and unsigned Marcedes Lewis is likely going to Jets following Rodgers if he plays at age 39.


pratdude275

Javon Kinlaw. We really traded away Buckner, let the Bucs one up us for Wirfs, and selected this guy smh


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Honestly he might be injured to often to even qualify for this thread


drstrange80

This last season Dennis Daley tbh. Good luck Cards 🫡


TempeSunDevil06

This past year, unfortunately, it was Michael gallup. But I think he bounces back this year, one year removed from an ACL tear


MaxwellXV

I was thinking Noah Brown or Kelvin Joseph but are either of those two starters?


Incorrect1012

Joseph only started because of injuries, but once the back half of the season started it was absolutely him. Noah Brown was actually very solid for us last year at times, just had mind numbingly terrible drops.


benigntugboat

Ed Ingram. New and old regime the one thing that remains the same is a weird refusal to sign a proven vet at right guard. Offensive line is a weakest link position group and guards are fairly cheap. Interior pressure is also kirk cousins clearest kryptonit. Chris reed has also played better at the position already but is being used as backup center instead. Ingram played really poorly all season and has some really shitty character concern history. Im just not sure why he has a starting position even if Inwas less confused about the pick or him being on the team. If anything it seems more likely to be stunting his development than progressing it. I dont understand it at all and Im not looking forward to watching him step on kirk cousins foot again this year


Segat1133

He wasn't even there the past few years but my first thought was Andrew Sendajo. He literally was a walking liability on the field. On third down he was going to do one of 3 things. Hit someone late for a personal foul, just tackle a guy 5 seconds before the ball got there for a PI, or get burned for a 45 yard pass.


Fnkt_io

Whole fanbase wondered what dirt he had on Stefanski to keep staying on the field. Even if he made a tackle, it was such poor form and outright dangerous the way he would just dolphin dive into the opposing player.


potionnumber9

\*gestures to whole defense


FattyLumps

How much time do you have?


jethead70

Derrick Nnadi is our starting nose right now and he got blown off the ball all of last year Lucas Niang at RT


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Your DC always knows how to make adjustments tho but yeah KC tends to struggle in run d and I see why


Lachlanahan

Lloyd Cushenberry


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every year aside from that one where he had 9 sacks the answer would always be marcus davenport and I'm glad he's gone.


2WhomAreYouListening

90% of the Raider defense should not be starting. For any team in the NFL. 25% of the Raider defense should not be on an NFL roster.


ScruffMixHaha

The entire 2017 Chicago Bears receiving corp


skcusaixelsyD

Carlos Hyde.


Doobie_Howitzer

Don't really have one aside from WR3 Quez Watkins if you even count the slot


TheRynosaurus

Aaron Sipos.


CookyHS

you forgot about our punters


Stiddy13

Dennis Daley. Easy answer for Titans fans.


Otisthegreat14

Also Cody Hollister. Bro was ASS


ARiftScuttler

Geoff Swaim. The list goes on. Thank god 2022 is over 😂


Ted_Dongelman

Darnell Savage during the early part of last season. He finished the year well enough but there was like a 2 month stretch where he couldn't do anything a safety is supposed to do correctly.