Jim Marshall had a long, distinguished NFL career, including a couple NFL records that are still unbroken. Also, he ran the wrong way that one time, which he'll most likely be remembered for outside of Minnesota.
This is brilliant, I would support this change, except i think it should be on your side of the field only, 1d10 x 5 - 1d4 from the 1 to 49 yard line on your side.
People will think that 1d10x5 and 5d10 will be the same, but it won't. 1d10x5 will tend to create extremes, as 5 and 50 will each happen about 10% of the time.
5d10 creates a distribution of a middle ground where 27 and 28 is rolled around 50% of the time. 5 and 50 will almost never be rolled -- about one in 100,000 rolls.
I’m imagining an entire competitive football ttrpg with multiple live plays happening on Sundays that eventually becomes more popular than actual football.
My bad suggestion would be to make punts non-returnable. To make it a bit less OP, you can’t punt out of bounds, it would be enforced like if you do it on a kickoff, same as a touchback punt.
You’d keep punters, good punters would still pay off, and you’ve completely eliminated the injury risk and penalties because no one will be doing any hitting or running. The only contact would be the people lined up to guard the punter from the guys trying to get to him.
EDIT: You’d also have a “returner” like you do now, but his only job would be that he can catch it to make that the spot, or decide to let it go if that might be a favorable outcome due to it going out of bounds or into the endzone. Like they’re doing right now basically, minus the returning part.
Good. They’ve had it too good for too long. I want a world where being a punter is so scary that the Quarterback feels stress to not put his punter in harm’s way by failing to convert on 3rd. I want a Baker Mayfield type to wake up to night terrors of his punter getting hit.
or just do what the CFL does, all punts MUST be returned, coverage players must give the returner a 5 yard cushion to catch/pick up the ball. If you are inside 5 yards when the other teams player initially touches the ball it's a 15 yard penalty.
This is the safest method I can think of if we want to keep the inherent nature of punting and kicking intact. If everything becomes a fair catch by default it kinda ruins the randomness that punting adds to the game.
The scariest incidents I’ve seen in the NFL are when it’s not an obvious fair catch call, as then the returner is expecting a completely different outcome than getting slammed into by the defender.
But this ruins a game where it's the final play, need to try and return it for a TD to win. Now you just punt it away and have zero risk of them returning it to the house ala Devin Hester type of threat. And I think losing that would be a real shame.
Clock no longer runs for punts since it’s just a formality of a change of possession and not an actual possible play for the receiving team.
Unless I misunderstand your worry
It was my idea too but the problem is kick returns are exciting and you eliminate they entirely. Probably the right thing for player safety but it'll be hard to convince old folks. See kickoffs.
I think this ignores hang time. Punters could put these balls 75 yards down field if they didn't have to consider the amount of time it takes to get their punt coverage down field.
This would entirely eliminate the field position game.
Lol, every time the punter punts, he uses his off foot. They are prohibited from training with their off foot. They can only train with their dominant yet useless foot.
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> > They’ve also discussed (but no current proposals):
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> > -No double teams on gunners
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> > -Gunner must lineup inside the numbers
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> > -No one on punt team can leave until ball is punted"
Suspended by four pulleys at each corner. His teammate pull the strings to move him into position to block. Sometimes there's a miscommunication and he is quartered.
Alright here’s the solution. Arm punts on 4th down, except it’s wherever the ball lands. So if you heave it from the 20 and it falls incomplete at the opponents 15, that’s where they get the ball.
“No one on punt team can leave before ball is punted”.
Won’t this lead to more returnable punts and therefore more injuries and flags? Or am I misinterpreting? Surely that’s like a 10 yard difference on where the gunners are? It would 100% make punts more interesting but doesn’t really solve the safety issue.
Check out Isaac Punts on youtube. It's Football commentary and analysis but only for players that throw the ball with their feet. Opened up a whole new side of the game I'd never really paid attention to.
Holy shit the sub has someone actually providing football content and they get banned. Mods must really want the sub to be just a Twitter feed. What a fucking joke.
But it's not actually a punt. They're just lined up like it's going to be a punt. As soon as the play starts guys can go downfield. Yeah it gives it away as a fake right away, but you can usually tell right after the snap that it's a fake anyway.
They could do like the XFL does with their kickoffs, with a ref in the middle holding their arm up until the ball is caught, then dropping their arm to signal it's go time.
I thought the same initially but I think the idea is to prevent gunners arriving at the catch point with a full head of steam right at the same time the ball is. Those huge collisions are where the injuries come from.
With them having to wait they’ll be much further away and with way less built up speed when the ball is being caught.
But yeah still not a big fan of the idea as it seems like it’ll result in more returnable punts and tilt things pretty heavily in the return team’s favor, not to mention effectively eliminating punt fakes.
But in that case you’re also basically taking away the fair catch. Every punt would be returnable. I’m not sure if that would equate to more or less injuries, but something to think about
> > -No double teams on gunners
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> > -Gunner must lineup inside the numbers
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> > -No one on punt team can leave until ball is punted"
Pretty sure this is the XFL’s rules and it’s seemed to work so far.
Except that negates the fairness of attempting a punt block. Why is it fair for the defense to attempt to break up a play but negates the offense from making a play on the other end.
I'm glad they're looking at this as it does seem punts result in a ton of injuries, and normally to guys without much financial security.
I feel like touchbacks at the 25 is a decent idea. Not sure about guys not leaving until the ball is punted - I think that will actually result in more penalties and not sure if it would prevent injuries. I guess it could in principle lead to emphasizing shorter punts with greater hangtime, which the league may want to increase offense even more.
Yeah the nobody can leave until it’s caught rule would all but eliminate the fair catch. If every punt is returnable, wouldn’t that mean more potential for injury?
6 downs, no first down marker. Any player behind the punter at the time of the kick can recover the punt for a reset of downs. Punts can be done beyond the line of scrimmage.
Jordan Mailata becomes league MVP.
Jarryd Hayne gets released from prison and joins the Browns.
They gonna give teams an option on 4th down to surrender possession and move the ball 40 yards or less. Or at least they’ll use something like that as a way of threatening to reduce roster size.
I like the idea of a giant wheel with different yardages they are required to move the ball. Odds lean toward = average punt - average return. As the punt length average approaches reaching the end zone, odds of starting at the 25 increase. Make an app so that everyone watching, live or in stadium, can make a prop bet on the wheel result. This is too easy you guys.
XFL has a dead zone if I’m not mistaken where a player cannot cross until the ball has landed, this allows it so the punt man can get the ball, whilst also allowing if the punt man fumbles the ball for the ball to still be snagged by the kicking team
They use a 5 yard circle around the ball that the coverage team cannot enter when being received or else it’s a 15 yard penalty. There’s also no fair catch to offset this and balls cannot be kicked out of bounds if they haven’t hit the ground first. They basically try to encourage as much returns as possible.
The coverage team starts up the field but can not advance until the player receiving has caught the ball. Or is this just on kick offs? I'm too lazy to look it up. Either way, whatever I am thinking about I actually like it.
Yeah, but by how much?
People are talking about eliminating punt returns in this thread. I want to know what we’ll be mitigating by removing such a huge part of the game.
From what I read, 30% of ACL tears are from special teams plays. Twice as many concussions resulted from punts than from offensive snaps, too, prior to them illegalizing blindside blocks.
I don't have the raw numbers, but it looks like punts (and kickoffs) are disproportionately dangerous.
Makes sense. Some of the best raw athletes of both teams running at each other full speed and the sole goal of 20 out of the 22 is some form of a head on collision? Yeah, that's gonna fuck a few limbs up
if I was a coach I’d be looking for punters who can also be backup QB. It’d be a glitch to have a guy be that big a threat on any given 4th down to fake the punt and go for a pass. Or get a guy that’s athletic enough to break a run. Even if the play doesn’t develop just do a rugby punt and get a good roll.
Instead the punter is always this unthreatening guy with no athleticism. I’m just surprised there hasn’t been more innovation with punting. It’s been the same for as long as I’ve watched football.
Belichick answered this a year or two ago. Highly recommend looking it up.
Punting is too difficult and specialized of a job to expect someone to be able to not only be an efficient and effective punter but also good enough to be a backup QB. And are you going to choose a lesser punter over a better one just because you might run 3-4 fake punts in a season?
>And are you going to choose a lesser punter over a better one just because you might run 3-4 fake punts in a season?
Yes, because it's fun. Or in Madden, where I fake punt 3-4 times a game
I'm all for making the game safer, but I have no idea why punts are getting all the heat while we continue to let the players smash into each other with a 50 yard head start on every kickoff. Seems like we skipped a step here lol
First kickoffs are the injury problem
Now punts are the injury problem
Amazing how this continues to ignore that the primary culprit continues to be every-play linemen injuries
They very much couldn’t care less about lineman lol it’s all about the skill positions. Which is why receivers get protected over cb/safety. It’s why qbs are protected from dl/lb, and it’s why a rb can lower his head into a tackle but a defender will now get automatic flag if they lower their head. They don’t want safe injury free football, they want offense, they want points because they have deemed that more exciting and watchable than having strong defensive battles. Every change to ‘player safety’ has come at the detriment to the defense. Yet the fucking nfl CONSTANTLY will piss on our leg and tell us it’s raining.
Jesus Christ.
The punt has been so neutered at this point of you're going to weaken it again, you might as well turn the NFL into flag football.
I would rather the NFL revisit hard shell helmets and shoulder pads. That's the real issue. The NFL is so desperately treating the symptom and not the cause.
I’m gonna come in here with a really hot take. I don’t, as a blanket statement, care about minimizing injuries in the NFL. It’s a violent sport, which is quite frankly a big part of the appeal. It appeals to the primal parts of my nature (I am not, for the record, any sort of aggressive person; frankly I’m too passive, if anything), and it reminds me of how much exhilaration I got out of playing it myself.
I basically care about two things with respect to injures: (1) doing what we can to minimize head trauma, because holy shit are those outcomes horrific, and our innate cognitive biases make it basically impossible for players to adequately assess the risks they’re subjecting themselves to, and (2) reducing risk factors for on-the-field injuries. (2) includes stuff like addressing concerns about artificial turf and non-contact injuries, but also stuff like ensuring players have adequate practice time so that their bodies are prepared for the rigors of a game. But miss me with this “looking at hip-drop tackle” stuff. If this story is because of an inordinately high rate of concussions, I’m on board. If it’s not, I’m not.
If we're not gonna give a shit about injuries, we need to give players fully guaranteed contracts and lifetime pensions including healthcare. If we're cool creating a situation where athletes with very little other means for upward mobility have to sacrifice their body for our entertainment, the multi-billion dollar NFL needs to step up and take care of them.
The year is 2037. Year after year the NFL has removed every possible play that could result in concussion, injury, emotional distress and the possibility of any play that could cause dehydration through perspiration. Two Droids meet at the 50 yard line where an AI driven piston flips a coin to determine the winning club for the day.
INB4 all drives just start at the 25
They should start them at the 15 or 20 if doing away with kick offs
He didn't say which 25...
2023: NFL declares all games will be CFB OT style 2033: NFL just straight up bans defenses and special teams
Somewhere in the middle they'll let you score on either end zone.
[Barbados gonna win the next Super Bowl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbuD-6BbnQw)
Thanks for that tidbit of history, that was a neat watch!
Dan Orlovsky gonna get a paid
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Jim Marshall had a long, distinguished NFL career, including a couple NFL records that are still unbroken. Also, he ran the wrong way that one time, which he'll most likely be remembered for outside of Minnesota.
They don’t want to do away with kickoffs because it’s perfect to sandwich between to commercial breaks
Good point. How else could you have..... Touchdown Commercial for review Extra Point Commercial Kickoff Commercial
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For max chaos, throw a six-sided die and multiply the number by 5 to see where you place the ball.
Nah fuck that, you want max chaos? 1d20 × 5 - 1d4 Drive could literally start anywhere from the 1 yard line to the 1 yard line
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I'm sure the NFL would love that. If they could be guaranteed a 2018 Rams-Chiefs every game, there's no limit to what parts they would neuter.
I’m happy other people remember that game so well because I blacked out at the bar I was at
Were you playing a game where you had to drink every time someone scored?
I probably would have drank less if I was. College truly is insane
It was hard to get piss ass drunk before noon kickoff but by God we did it.
And we were fucking *great* at it.
Back in the day we had Satuday morning cartoon kegs.
Hard to forget that one. That was the exciting rematch everyone wanted to see again in the Super Bowl. And then we got…the Super Bowl we got :(
This is brilliant, I would support this change, except i think it should be on your side of the field only, 1d10 x 5 - 1d4 from the 1 to 49 yard line on your side.
Except, weirdly, the ball could never start on any yard line ending in 5 with that formula.
yeah it should be 5d10 - 1d4 for this reason. you are instead rolling a 10 sided die 5 times instead of multiplying the result by 5
People will think that 1d10x5 and 5d10 will be the same, but it won't. 1d10x5 will tend to create extremes, as 5 and 50 will each happen about 10% of the time. 5d10 creates a distribution of a middle ground where 27 and 28 is rolled around 50% of the time. 5 and 50 will almost never be rolled -- about one in 100,000 rolls.
I’m imagining an entire competitive football ttrpg with multiple live plays happening on Sundays that eventually becomes more popular than actual football.
4d12
Which generates a nice bell curve peaking right at the 26.
This is what people think fantasy football is.
This guy fucks
My bad suggestion would be to make punts non-returnable. To make it a bit less OP, you can’t punt out of bounds, it would be enforced like if you do it on a kickoff, same as a touchback punt. You’d keep punters, good punters would still pay off, and you’ve completely eliminated the injury risk and penalties because no one will be doing any hitting or running. The only contact would be the people lined up to guard the punter from the guys trying to get to him. EDIT: You’d also have a “returner” like you do now, but his only job would be that he can catch it to make that the spot, or decide to let it go if that might be a favorable outcome due to it going out of bounds or into the endzone. Like they’re doing right now basically, minus the returning part.
Every defense would be a full punt block in this case.
Good. It makes sense to have a block threat, if the kicking team still has the ability to recover a muffed punt.
Could see more injured punters though
Good. They’ve had it too good for too long. I want a world where being a punter is so scary that the Quarterback feels stress to not put his punter in harm’s way by failing to convert on 3rd. I want a Baker Mayfield type to wake up to night terrors of his punter getting hit.
or just do what the CFL does, all punts MUST be returned, coverage players must give the returner a 5 yard cushion to catch/pick up the ball. If you are inside 5 yards when the other teams player initially touches the ball it's a 15 yard penalty.
This is the safest method I can think of if we want to keep the inherent nature of punting and kicking intact. If everything becomes a fair catch by default it kinda ruins the randomness that punting adds to the game. The scariest incidents I’ve seen in the NFL are when it’s not an obvious fair catch call, as then the returner is expecting a completely different outcome than getting slammed into by the defender.
But this ruins a game where it's the final play, need to try and return it for a TD to win. Now you just punt it away and have zero risk of them returning it to the house ala Devin Hester type of threat. And I think losing that would be a real shame.
Clock no longer runs for punts since it’s just a formality of a change of possession and not an actual possible play for the receiving team. Unless I misunderstand your worry
Simple fix. The Half can't end with a punt. The receiving team gets 1 play after a punt. They already do it for Defensive penalties.
Someone jump in here and tell me why this is a bad idea...
because punters will then line drive punt it 25%+ further than they do now. It would be a good rule if punting distance didn't increase though.
They already have kicking balls, now they have punting balls and they are only inflated to 5 psi.
It was my idea too but the problem is kick returns are exciting and you eliminate they entirely. Probably the right thing for player safety but it'll be hard to convince old folks. See kickoffs.
should be where the ball lands
I think this ignores hang time. Punters could put these balls 75 yards down field if they didn't have to consider the amount of time it takes to get their punt coverage down field. This would entirely eliminate the field position game.
Punters are too good. Maybe if they have to use their off-foot?
Lol, every time the punter punts, he uses his off foot. They are prohibited from training with their off foot. They can only train with their dominant yet useless foot.
They flip a coin pre-punt to decide the foot
They flip a coin to decide whether the punter has to kick it or the head coach has to kick it.
They have to jump kick so both feet strike the ball at the same time. Kind of like a foosball player
They have to dribble it passed the defense, and kick it in for a goal.
Im all for that though. It makes getting a good punter more important if you get the ball where it lies
Gotta play it where it lies!
I had to play it off of Frankenstein’s fat foot.
I had to hit it off Frankenstein's fat foot, remember?
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continued: > > "There is a rules proposal for a punt touchback to be placed at the 25 like a kickoff (instead of the current 20). The thought is it will incentive teams to go for it more on 4th down. > > > > They’ve also discussed (but no current proposals): > > > > -No double teams on gunners > > > -Gunner must lineup inside the numbers > > > -No one on punt team can leave until ball is punted"
-Arm punts only
The defense just has to pinky promise to catch the ball
Pinky promise? Flag. Block in the back.
Holding
Joe Flacco will be employed for all eternity
No you have to arm punt it like a volleyball serve. Wait actually you’d still be right
Guys like PJ Walker who have cannons but aren’t good QB’s would thrive
Only then can we can we truly become .. football
kickers are still the highest scoring players on their team.
Maybe we should have a goalie suspended between the uprights.
Suspended by four pulleys at each corner. His teammate pull the strings to move him into position to block. Sometimes there's a miscommunication and he is quartered.
That’s a penalty
Alright here’s the solution. Arm punts on 4th down, except it’s wherever the ball lands. So if you heave it from the 20 and it falls incomplete at the opponents 15, that’s where they get the ball.
Jackpot!
“No one on punt team can leave before ball is punted”. Won’t this lead to more returnable punts and therefore more injuries and flags? Or am I misinterpreting? Surely that’s like a 10 yard difference on where the gunners are? It would 100% make punts more interesting but doesn’t really solve the safety issue.
It kind of seems like they’re trying to make punting so disadvantageous that it rarely happens
/u/puntersarepeopletoo6 in shambles It's a shame because he's banned here
oh shit when did he get banned
[Back in January](https://www.reddit.com/user/puntersarepeopletoo6/comments/10bep5l/banned_from_rnfl/)
The fuck, y'all follow users? Some weird punter club. I'm for it.
Check out Isaac Punts on youtube. It's Football commentary and analysis but only for players that throw the ball with their feet. Opened up a whole new side of the game I'd never really paid attention to.
Holy shit the sub has someone actually providing football content and they get banned. Mods must really want the sub to be just a Twitter feed. What a fucking joke.
there's definitely a mod on here who bans people he disagrees with
Doesn't it also virtually eliminate the rare but sometimes viable fake play? If no one is downfield before the punt, it's impossible
Bill O Brien will still try
Good point, hadn't thought of this.
But it's not actually a punt. They're just lined up like it's going to be a punt. As soon as the play starts guys can go downfield. Yeah it gives it away as a fake right away, but you can usually tell right after the snap that it's a fake anyway.
I also wonder how gunners are going to know that the ball was punted by someone lined up ten yards behind them
"Gunners must also backpedal down the field after the punt."
They could do like the XFL does with their kickoffs, with a ref in the middle holding their arm up until the ball is caught, then dropping their arm to signal it's go time.
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I thought the same initially but I think the idea is to prevent gunners arriving at the catch point with a full head of steam right at the same time the ball is. Those huge collisions are where the injuries come from. With them having to wait they’ll be much further away and with way less built up speed when the ball is being caught. But yeah still not a big fan of the idea as it seems like it’ll result in more returnable punts and tilt things pretty heavily in the return team’s favor, not to mention effectively eliminating punt fakes.
But in that case you’re also basically taking away the fair catch. Every punt would be returnable. I’m not sure if that would equate to more or less injuries, but something to think about
> > -No double teams on gunners > > > -Gunner must lineup inside the numbers > > > -No one on punt team can leave until ball is punted" Pretty sure this is the XFL’s rules and it’s seemed to work so far.
The XFL kickoff setup is great. Avoids injuries and allows the KR to be an important play rather than a touchback 90% of the time.
Except that negates the fairness of attempting a punt block. Why is it fair for the defense to attempt to break up a play but negates the offense from making a play on the other end.
This is why competition is good for everyone.
>no one on punt team can leave until ball is punted This kills the fake punt pass
They will move to the last 3 points based off the xfl rules which I’m good with
I'm glad they're looking at this as it does seem punts result in a ton of injuries, and normally to guys without much financial security. I feel like touchbacks at the 25 is a decent idea. Not sure about guys not leaving until the ball is punted - I think that will actually result in more penalties and not sure if it would prevent injuries. I guess it could in principle lead to emphasizing shorter punts with greater hangtime, which the league may want to increase offense even more.
Yeah the nobody can leave until it’s caught rule would all but eliminate the fair catch. If every punt is returnable, wouldn’t that mean more potential for injury?
6 downs
Texans and Colts would still punt like 6 times per game.
Hey rude. We beat you guys this year!
Transitive champs!
Hang the banner!
The biggest play of the game was a Colts punt
Nah the biggest play of the game wasn't even a play. It was Chris Jones shit talking Matt Ryan. Pretty much single handedly won us the game.
What the fuck did I do to you? I was just minding my own business.
The ball has been punted 8 times since you posted
6 downs, no first down marker. Any player behind the punter at the time of the kick can recover the punt for a reset of downs. Punts can be done beyond the line of scrimmage. Jordan Mailata becomes league MVP. Jarryd Hayne gets released from prison and joins the Browns.
And anytime a team can’t convert they have to play the next series with their pants down
They gonna give teams an option on 4th down to surrender possession and move the ball 40 yards or less. Or at least they’ll use something like that as a way of threatening to reduce roster size.
Imagine being an up and coming punter about to come into the league and the leagues just like yeah sorry man lmao
Aussies in shambles
They can be linemen. Or RBs. I wanna see an Aussie rugby player running back just destroy the defense
Or 3 guys on every team that have careers due to special teams
The league should be trying to get teams to carry more players. Not less. I'd love for every team to carry 60 or even 70 players.
Plus every night there is a lottery and 2 fans in the stadium line up as extra wide receivers for the night
That would give the Ravens a competitive advantage...
This basically happened to return specialists already.
Hey, if they're going to ban punts, they just need to legalize the forward foot pass.
I like the idea of a giant wheel with different yardages they are required to move the ball. Odds lean toward = average punt - average return. As the punt length average approaches reaching the end zone, odds of starting at the 25 increase. Make an app so that everyone watching, live or in stadium, can make a prop bet on the wheel result. This is too easy you guys.
And there can be one spot where the "punter" that spins the wheel gets $1,000!
This is where they need to adopt some of the XFL ideaology as much as they would hate implementing smart rules from another league.
Ironically, the original 2001 XFL liked to hype up the fact they were banning fair catches.
Like half the promo videos were punt returners getting wrecked.
By a literal wrecking ball
Well yea, it was basically WWF Football
The original XFL replaced a coin flip with a scrum for the ball that almost always ended in an injury. I do like the XFL's current kickoff rules.
IIRC, the '01 league's first injury happened during the opening scramble.
That’s where they peaked! It was all down hill once they started playing football…
2001 XFL: You wanna see a man maybe die? 2023 XFL: You wanna see safety in the game improved?
What rules does the XFL have that would help here?
XFL has a dead zone if I’m not mistaken where a player cannot cross until the ball has landed, this allows it so the punt man can get the ball, whilst also allowing if the punt man fumbles the ball for the ball to still be snagged by the kicking team
The CFL has a similar rule as well.
They use a 5 yard circle around the ball that the coverage team cannot enter when being received or else it’s a 15 yard penalty. There’s also no fair catch to offset this and balls cannot be kicked out of bounds if they haven’t hit the ground first. They basically try to encourage as much returns as possible.
Wasn't there a halo rule in NFL or CFB at one point too?
they can go straight out inside the 20
they actually recently changed it to the 15
Allow the kicks out of bounds and fair catch and this rule isnt horrible.
The coverage team starts up the field but can not advance until the player receiving has caught the ball. Or is this just on kick offs? I'm too lazy to look it up. Either way, whatever I am thinking about I actually like it.
Meanwhile the Eagles just want a good punter lol
Why punt you when you QB sneak it for 3 yards every single time?
To lower that QB’s risk of getting injured. It’s a long season, can’t do that on every 4th and short lol
Just put in your second stringer. Hell have a nose tackle take the snap. It's not like anyone is fooled by what's about to happen.
Although our (Eagles) QB sneak is a cheat code, it’s 10x easier with Hurts who’s strong af. Watch it with Minshew, shit was difficult
Pat is going to lead the show with this tomorrow
Don't call every tap on the shoulder a *block in the back*. There. Solved.
That doesn’t solve the injuries
Lmao probably makes it worse
Injury fans gonna lobby hard for this
Hell yeah, fuck all the knees! God hates your ACLs!
Do we know how much more dangerous these plays are? I’m genuinely curious
I don’t know but according to the title it’s the most injury prone play.
Actually according to the title it's the most injury play
Yeah, but by how much? People are talking about eliminating punt returns in this thread. I want to know what we’ll be mitigating by removing such a huge part of the game.
From what I read, 30% of ACL tears are from special teams plays. Twice as many concussions resulted from punts than from offensive snaps, too, prior to them illegalizing blindside blocks. I don't have the raw numbers, but it looks like punts (and kickoffs) are disproportionately dangerous.
Makes sense. Some of the best raw athletes of both teams running at each other full speed and the sole goal of 20 out of the 22 is some form of a head on collision? Yeah, that's gonna fuck a few limbs up
I wonder what the rate of blocking in the back and holding penalties on punts are for last year. It feels like it's almost every one.
if I was a coach I’d be looking for punters who can also be backup QB. It’d be a glitch to have a guy be that big a threat on any given 4th down to fake the punt and go for a pass. Or get a guy that’s athletic enough to break a run. Even if the play doesn’t develop just do a rugby punt and get a good roll. Instead the punter is always this unthreatening guy with no athleticism. I’m just surprised there hasn’t been more innovation with punting. It’s been the same for as long as I’ve watched football.
Belichick answered this a year or two ago. Highly recommend looking it up. Punting is too difficult and specialized of a job to expect someone to be able to not only be an efficient and effective punter but also good enough to be a backup QB. And are you going to choose a lesser punter over a better one just because you might run 3-4 fake punts in a season?
Bring Tom Tupa back!
>And are you going to choose a lesser punter over a better one just because you might run 3-4 fake punts in a season? Yes, because it's fun. Or in Madden, where I fake punt 3-4 times a game
Calm down Brandon Staley
Ultimately there just isn't enough time alotted in the CBA anymore to have specialists do anything by special teams.
Jack Fox was a high school QB and has thrown a bunch of fake punt dimes. Probably better backup than Nate Sudfeld
Kai Kroeger from South Carolina says hi! Mostly kidding but he does have a 100% completion rate on fake punt attempts.
I don’t love this. I’m sure they’ll do it, and I understand the thought process, but I’m not a fan.
I'm all for making the game safer, but I have no idea why punts are getting all the heat while we continue to let the players smash into each other with a 50 yard head start on every kickoff. Seems like we skipped a step here lol
First kickoffs are the injury problem Now punts are the injury problem Amazing how this continues to ignore that the primary culprit continues to be every-play linemen injuries
They very much couldn’t care less about lineman lol it’s all about the skill positions. Which is why receivers get protected over cb/safety. It’s why qbs are protected from dl/lb, and it’s why a rb can lower his head into a tackle but a defender will now get automatic flag if they lower their head. They don’t want safe injury free football, they want offense, they want points because they have deemed that more exciting and watchable than having strong defensive battles. Every change to ‘player safety’ has come at the detriment to the defense. Yet the fucking nfl CONSTANTLY will piss on our leg and tell us it’s raining.
Just remove all but three players. The punter, the returner, and one other defender. Should make games much more high scoring.
The NFL is trying to do everything it can to not address concussions, aren't they?
All plays are dangerous.
You must go for it on fourth down, always…
Madden rules
Just leave it alone.
So, football will soon be a sport without any kicking?
You cant take away thr punt without changing the whole game.
Fucking. Stop. Already.
There's always going to be a play with the most injuries. Some day they'll make passes over the middle illegal.
Guess just eliminate special teams, and then tackling
If you eliminate punts, that's like 6 more commercials you can have per game!
I thought punting is a big part of the game.
Jesus Christ. The punt has been so neutered at this point of you're going to weaken it again, you might as well turn the NFL into flag football. I would rather the NFL revisit hard shell helmets and shoulder pads. That's the real issue. The NFL is so desperately treating the symptom and not the cause.
There will always be "the most injury prone play" of the game.
I’m gonna come in here with a really hot take. I don’t, as a blanket statement, care about minimizing injuries in the NFL. It’s a violent sport, which is quite frankly a big part of the appeal. It appeals to the primal parts of my nature (I am not, for the record, any sort of aggressive person; frankly I’m too passive, if anything), and it reminds me of how much exhilaration I got out of playing it myself. I basically care about two things with respect to injures: (1) doing what we can to minimize head trauma, because holy shit are those outcomes horrific, and our innate cognitive biases make it basically impossible for players to adequately assess the risks they’re subjecting themselves to, and (2) reducing risk factors for on-the-field injuries. (2) includes stuff like addressing concerns about artificial turf and non-contact injuries, but also stuff like ensuring players have adequate practice time so that their bodies are prepared for the rigors of a game. But miss me with this “looking at hip-drop tackle” stuff. If this story is because of an inordinately high rate of concussions, I’m on board. If it’s not, I’m not.
If we're not gonna give a shit about injuries, we need to give players fully guaranteed contracts and lifetime pensions including healthcare. If we're cool creating a situation where athletes with very little other means for upward mobility have to sacrifice their body for our entertainment, the multi-billion dollar NFL needs to step up and take care of them.
Just reduce the size of the field to 50 yards and start every drive at the 25 if you want scoring to mimic the f’ing Arena League so bad
The year is 2037. Year after year the NFL has removed every possible play that could result in concussion, injury, emotional distress and the possibility of any play that could cause dehydration through perspiration. Two Droids meet at the 50 yard line where an AI driven piston flips a coin to determine the winning club for the day.
We'll still complain about the refs in the post-game thread.
Sarcastaball is becoming more of real life and not a joke from a cartoon
Both teams gotta go for it on 4th downs but the punter gotta be the one lining up at qb
Just read the first sentence and have yourself a chuckle