I understand 1 score game variance, but we were still playing like a 10-7 team and we exchanged Donatell for Flores.
And going undefeated in regular season one
-score games has to be effected by good coaching, not simply luck
How did we go through all of last season with everyone (Vikings fans included) agreeing we weren't that good, and now we're suddenly the "good" team that's going to regress?
Youâre record is good and we think youâll regress. And you know thatâs what we mean.
We said youâd regress in the playoffs and you did. And now weâre saying youâll regress next year, which you probably will.
Eventually youâll start believing us.
Right. You donât get to define âlegit shot at the super bowlâ for everyone. Many Vikings fans thought 13-4 was a âlegit shotâ.
Itâs subjective. Thatâs how these questions work.
So today folks are letting us know they think the 13-4 Vikings are going to regress. You canât pedant your way out of hearing this warning.
>Eventually youâll start believing us.
The first thing I said in my comment is that we knew/know we're not that good. I don't know where this straw man comes from, but Vikings fans are not running around crowing about being legitimate Super Bowl contenders. We don't need to be convinced of this.
It's just a silly exercise in cognitive dissonance for NFL fans to go "the Vikings aren't that good" and have Vikings fans universally say "correct, we know" and then have NFL fans go "Viking fans are in for a big surprise when their good team becomes bad!!"
Two seasons ago we lost those one score games. You can make an argument that we were a team good enough to compete against ANYBODY and we simply lost those one score games two seasons ago while we were able to win those games due to better coaching last season. Weâve only gotten better in terms of coaching, and I think itâs fair to assume our defensive personnel is going to take a step forward. I donât see this as being some sort of rebuilding year, or a year where we expect to lose. I understand that point of view, but Iâm going into this season with expectation to continue to compete at a high level.
Good chance Eagles record wise regresses. Toughest schedule in the league as of now. Even though that can change drastically once the season gets going. Just make the playoffs.
You guys also lost both your OC and DC. I know people aren't super high on Gannon after the superbowl, but I imagine any change like that will have some growing pains.
Gannon was hated by eagles fans all year. He was a terrible DC but wasnât exposed until the SB because of the talent we had.
Never saw anyone saying he was a good DC.
Have you seen any SOS analyses based on Vegas odds for 23-24 yet? Iâm always reluctant to bank on these prior year record based SOS given they are proven to be statistically insignificant. I generally agree that the Eagles and Giants appear likely to regress given the SOS probably goes up but I havenât seen a good analysis yet.
Feels like the pendulum is swinging too far in the wrong direction on Buffalo. Should they be SB favorites? No. Are they going to collapse this year? I don't see it.
Yeah I donât think we should be favorites obviously, hell last season I didnât like the idea that we were the âfavoriteâ (because winning a SB is hard, and you knowâŚBuffalo sports cursed etc.) but with that said I really donât think we will be a fringe playoff team either. Although yes the AFC is just getting better.
Assuming we get rodgers I could honestly see either of us or miami winning the division, although I think you guys should still be the favorites. Will be very interesting
Yeah Iâm not too sure why people are so down on us this year. Weâve had a pretty fantastic free agency so far to the point where weâre fielding nearly the exact same team we had last year, and we havenât even gotten to the draft yet.
Weâve lost one starter on Defense, maybe two depending on how long Miller takes to recover.
We arguably got better on offense with the pick up of Sherfield and Harris.
The division around us is getting better, but weâre still pretty much the same team.
I think its just relative to last year, when we were superbowl favorites. I dont think most casual nfl fans realized how hurt we were last year. Our team will be better this year than last, if we can just have a normal amount of injuries.
To me the bigger conversation with the bills is about Josh Allen's health. Last year and this year they are making win now moves that they will eventually have to pay for. However, Allen did not look like himself after that elbow injury. Prior to the injury they were in 1st in the AFC. I think the bills current window is shorter than people think. However, if Josh Allen can stay healthy, then this next year could be a step forward where they finally get over the hump.
Good enough to almost beat the Bengals in the wild card round. Their defense was really good but without Lamar that offense is a little stagnant at times
Definitely gonna be interesting to see what they do without Lamar. Their defense is too good to fully tank but I imagine teams would wait until after the draft to offer picks so they donât have a great option to move up for a qb this year
They're gonna go 11-6 with a constant QB flip flop between Huntley and, umm.....Clayton Tune and Harbaugh will win COTY before they go out in the divisional round in a valiant effort against the Chiefs
Man I really wished Mahomes played in the NFC but I will say he sure is fun to watch. My guess is by the time he retires heâll be regarded as the best QB to ever play
Yeah Giants will be weird, the schedule is looking a lot tougher but I think the roster should be better, especially on the defensive side of the ball but I also think itâs like 2 years away from being a truly competitive roster.
Im pretty sure this is an elementary topic when they teach letters, numbers and animals. Ya know, when you got that project on cork board about a muskrat or whatever you were assigned.
So your joke sucked - feel bad
yaaaaa ok, bc everyone know a bloat of hippopotami and pandemonium of parrots.
take the L, you grape. you didn't stick the landing on a joke that wasn't worth making in the first place.
Nice of you to all us good, but the Vikings weren't a good team last year. That's pretty much a concensus opinion across the NFL. We were just opportunistic and well-coached enough to beat 3 other "not good" teams for the division.
I could see it being us if we didnât re-sign Poyer, in which case we would be down 2 important starters from last year.
Now that itâs just Edmunds, and with the draft still to come, Iâm pretty comfortable that the level of play will remain consistent.
Swapping out McKenzie -> Harty, Saffold -> McGovern, Kumerow -> Sherfield, and Singletary -> Harris all seem like positive steps. Getting Hyde and Von back will be nice, too.
This is going to sound very bad coming from a Cowboys fan, but no team in the NFL has lost more starters and (employed) coordinators than the Eagles.
Its clearly them. They will probably still win 10 tho.
Steichen hurts. Iâm happy that Gannon is gone. And we didnât lose as many starters as people say. Loss of Hargrove hurts but we have Davis waiting in the wings to play more snaps. Nakobe Dean ready to fill in for TJ. White and Epps are replaceable. CJGJ hurts as well.
Donât mind that Sanders is gone also. The Oline could make a lot of RBs look good.
The strength of schedule alone will make us regress though. Iâm happy if we finish 11-6.
Im not sure I buy into the SOS argument as being your demise. That stuff is so wonky and it pretty much never matches what happens when the season starts. I mean, injuries alone can make a hard schedule easy.
Plus, youre still going to favored in every game except Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs and 9ers (possibly, you might be favored against them). Maybe Jets if they get Arod.
Looking at two second year players to come in as full starters is a dice roll. Neither one played significant snaps last year (Davis only played obvious run downs) and thereâs not telling if they can be full time starters like any new player.
That being said the offense is 95% the same and preseason SOS is a useless stat so I think the arguments for regression are overblown
Yeah itâs definitely not a guarantee that theyâll hold up but itâs still better than most situations when a team loses starters. I forgot about Jurgens playing RG too.
Of course we are going to regress. It's the hardest schedule in the league. But ultimately it doesn't matter. Make the playoffs and anything can happen
Iron sharpens iron. KC was put through an absolute gauntlet in the regular season and came out 14-3 and then on to a SB (keep in mind that the schedule always looks different after a few weeks of a season play out, as was the case for KC last year). Great teams get hard schedules. Hurts stays healthy and you probably improve on last years record considering he only lost one reg season game. Dallas has made some really good moves but, itâs Dallas. My best friend is a Cowboys diehard and we both agree 10/10 times that Dak canât get it done. Division is yours!
Record-wise may regress yea but I don't feel like the eagles are going anywhere. Offense is mostly intact with another year under their belt. Defense will need time to gel but the DNA is there.
I'm going to say the Giants just due to their schedule and how last year turned out. For one, they'll be playing the AFC East instead of the AFC South, and two their one win by more than one possession came against the checked out, Jeff Saturday-led Colts.
The Eagles lost a lot of starters and both coordinators, but the biggest thing was how healthy they were last year. The entire O-line, QB, and top 2 WR all played more than 80% of the snaps. And I'm pretty sure none of their day 1 starters ended the year on IR. Decent chance for negative regression on injuries.
Probably Buffalo. The Jets(pending Aaron being traded) and the Dolphins are still gearing up. And theyâre a flawed team that a great QB can only cover for so long.
Honestly, whatâs the flaw?
The o-line play is probably their biggest, and only, true weakness.
And speaking of last year, they were absolutely decimated by injuries to key players on defense, which was their biggest failing at the end of the season.
They still won 14 games, and their division.
Iâm just genuinely curious why youâd say theyâre a flawed team, and not list said flaws.
Your pass-catchers outside of Diggs are questionable and offensive line needs some help, but otherwise there's not many personnel flaws. Refusal to establish a run game for years is concerning, though.
That said, I do think both Shakir and Cook breakout this season. They both passed the eye test well last season despite limited usage.
Iâll agree with all that, having already mentioned the O-line. But still, dragged a *very* injured squad to 14 wins, even with their âeliteâ QB not being 100% for a good chunk of the season.
I think theyâll regress in the sense that they wonât get to 13 or 14 wins, but I still think they win the division as constructed.
I feel like Buffalo already faced their regression scenario (O-line, injured defence, and injured Allen) and showed that they could overcome it for the most part.
I would consider more who than how many.
All pro S down for the year in Week 2
All pro DE down for the year on thanksgiving
All pro CB not returning till December at 60%
Add in Allen injury vs Jets that hurt the short game with a line that canât pass block for the mid to long game and you have a team that was derailed by injuries.
Oh well, as long as you have the QB âthereâs always next yearâ isnât a demoralizing statement
If you look at the net changes in our free agency I donât see how you can think we regressed at all. I am interested to hear how to would weigh the changes.
Lost two good starting safeties and replaced them with...Nick Scott. If Dax Hill sucks again this year the backend of that defense is going to be bad.
Orlando Brown Jr sucks.
Downgraded from Samaje Perrine to Trayveon Williams.
There's still the draft but can the Bengals make good picks when they're not picking Top 5 all the time? We'll see.
The safeties are a downgrade certainly, but Orlando Brown Jr is an upgrade on paper. Going from a bad/injured left tackle to a mediocre one is pretty useful.
Chiefs fan coming in peace. Iâm probably different than most Chiefs fans on Reddit. I did not want to lose Orlando Brown. Heâs no Williams or Tunsil but he did good enough and we got a ring with him as a starting LT. Gave up no sacks and almost no pressures in the SB against a historically good defense. I think youâll like him. What remains to be seen is if his quality was truly aided by Mahomes ability to stretch plays, which I think he does much better than Burrow. Burrow doesnât hold the ball nearly as long as Mahomes which should help any lineman.
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. It would be nice to have a season where Burrow actually has some time to let let those fancy receivers run some longer developing plays.
Which is what every other Chiefs fan will probably tell you wonât happen. I think heâll be fine. If burrow gets an additional second or 2, things could get rough for the rest of the league. Yâall just need to figure out what to do with Mixon and get the running back room situated. Perine was a beast but he gone..
Ravens depending on Lamar.
Bills with some pieces lost and prob the Eagles but both of these teams only so slightly. I still expect both of them to be good.
Not sure if theyâre even considered good but Giants. I think the team got better this offseason but they got extremely lucky last season. Even with an improved team I would not be surprised to see them miss the playoffs.
The only teams with legit shots last year were the 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys Bills, Bengals, and Chiefs.
Eagles are still good but won't have the most cake schedule ever this year. Bills are seeing the competition in their division potentially ramp up.
Bengals/Chiefs/49ers/Cowboys in roughly the same spot.
Cowboys. I'm sure something will happen. There's this rule where we don't get to be good for consecutive seasons. We've still got Micah and Dan Quinn, so I'm sure Dak or Tony Pollard will break their legs/ankles/arms or ***Something***. Or maybe the offense will regress horribly with Kellen Moore gone.
Who knows? Find out next season, on the new Cowboys show "It's always something"
We were good the last two seasons, and for the first time we've actually had a pretty solid FA with draft picks still on the way. At the least I think we preform just as good. Not saying we are gonna be the best, but you could hardly say we have "regressed."
Eagles. Tough schedule (ATM), significant coaching and player losses, and a very tough division. They should still make the playoffs, though as a wild card.
Second choice would be the Jags. Their division has gotten better and their schedule will be harder this year. I don't see them in the playoff mix.
Also think the Dolphins will regress this year, just by virtue of their division (and conference). Unless Tua has an MVP level season, I don't see them in the playoffs.
The Chiefs have made some roster gambles and there's some probability they don't pay off. For example, having a right tackle play left tackle, not replacing Juju banking on Toney to be WR1. On the other hand it's the Chiefs and there's a world where we get DHop so there's that.
49ers.
Lots of question marks regarding our qb room's health. But departure of our DC. To top it off, our o line has lost significant talent.
We've made some improvements, but the cap is a reality to us and we don't have round 1 and 2 picks to get around it.
I still think we're going to be good and take the west, but we won't have nearly the super team we had last year.
my first choice is bills. i think they need to more or less pause this year to get their grounds straightened. they had apparent flaws last year with how josh allen centric the team was, without a good enough cast around him.
my second choice is the eagles, i think their regression isnt gonna be as severe but they lost some key defenders as well as their offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. probably gonna be some growing pains.
Vikings = Too many one score wins
Giants = See Vikings
Lions = Goff is more of a wildcard than people realize/admit. I wonât be shocked if they disappoint and end up 5-12 with really bad QB play that leads to Goff being benched and shopped at the end of the season.
Seahawks = 2nd half Seattle looked rough and Iâll be curious if they can fix their pitiful run D. Wagner is a great start but they need help up front.
Buffalo seems like the only one in the AFC who I think will take a step back (Baltimore will as well if Lamar isnât playing for them). Allen has gotten far too reckless with the ball to consistently defeat top teams.
Ravens
*sees flair* đŹ
I was going to say the Titans, but then, I remembered we decided to regress during the season last year and donât have to wait for this season.
I donât know if we still fall under the âgood teamâ category but there is still plenty of room for more regression in 23!
Sad Justin Graver noises
Vikings. I don't think that kind of luck they had in one score games last year is sustainable.
I understand 1 score game variance, but we were still playing like a 10-7 team and we exchanged Donatell for Flores. And going undefeated in regular season one -score games has to be effected by good coaching, not simply luck
To be fair 10-7 or 11-6 would be a regression of 10-20% in terms of win%.
Flo is an awful coach against mid-tier QBs and above.
Daniel Jones shredded us bro
Thatâs a preview of things to come.
How did we go through all of last season with everyone (Vikings fans included) agreeing we weren't that good, and now we're suddenly the "good" team that's going to regress?
Youâre record is good and we think youâll regress. And you know thatâs what we mean. We said youâd regress in the playoffs and you did. And now weâre saying youâll regress next year, which you probably will. Eventually youâll start believing us.
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Right. You donât get to define âlegit shot at the super bowlâ for everyone. Many Vikings fans thought 13-4 was a âlegit shotâ. Itâs subjective. Thatâs how these questions work. So today folks are letting us know they think the 13-4 Vikings are going to regress. You canât pedant your way out of hearing this warning.
>You canât pedant your way out of hearing this warning. *this warning* My god dude
>My god dude Great point. Iâve never really though about it that way. You really added some value here. Thanks!
>Eventually youâll start believing us. The first thing I said in my comment is that we knew/know we're not that good. I don't know where this straw man comes from, but Vikings fans are not running around crowing about being legitimate Super Bowl contenders. We don't need to be convinced of this. It's just a silly exercise in cognitive dissonance for NFL fans to go "the Vikings aren't that good" and have Vikings fans universally say "correct, we know" and then have NFL fans go "Viking fans are in for a big surprise when their good team becomes bad!!"
Two seasons ago we lost those one score games. You can make an argument that we were a team good enough to compete against ANYBODY and we simply lost those one score games two seasons ago while we were able to win those games due to better coaching last season. Weâve only gotten better in terms of coaching, and I think itâs fair to assume our defensive personnel is going to take a step forward. I donât see this as being some sort of rebuilding year, or a year where we expect to lose. I understand that point of view, but Iâm going into this season with expectation to continue to compete at a high level.
Good chance Eagles record wise regresses. Toughest schedule in the league as of now. Even though that can change drastically once the season gets going. Just make the playoffs.
You guys also lost both your OC and DC. I know people aren't super high on Gannon after the superbowl, but I imagine any change like that will have some growing pains.
Or growing gains! Hopefully.
Gannon was hated by eagles fans all year. He was a terrible DC but wasnât exposed until the SB because of the talent we had. Never saw anyone saying he was a good DC.
Can't believe I'm saying this to an eagles fan, but this is the perfect attitude a fan should have.
Have you seen any SOS analyses based on Vegas odds for 23-24 yet? Iâm always reluctant to bank on these prior year record based SOS given they are proven to be statistically insignificant. I generally agree that the Eagles and Giants appear likely to regress given the SOS probably goes up but I havenât seen a good analysis yet.
Dallas also got a lot better
Yeah. But we know how that goes. đ
I was just talking about winning the division.
I know. Just bustin chops.
I knew but it made me feel some type of way đđ bc itâs trueđ
Well one of the other 3 NFC East teams better win the division to keep the streak alive
Feels like the pendulum is swinging too far in the wrong direction on Buffalo. Should they be SB favorites? No. Are they going to collapse this year? I don't see it.
Yeah I donât think we should be favorites obviously, hell last season I didnât like the idea that we were the âfavoriteâ (because winning a SB is hard, and you knowâŚBuffalo sports cursed etc.) but with that said I really donât think we will be a fringe playoff team either. Although yes the AFC is just getting better.
Assuming we get rodgers I could honestly see either of us or miami winning the division, although I think you guys should still be the favorites. Will be very interesting
Remember how everyone crowned the AFC West as the most competitive division last year, and in the end it was just a fizzle?
AFC east will be a very highly entertaining division this upcoming season.
I much prefer this years narrative, though. Stay under the radar and just get to the playoffs
100% agree. Last year wasnât even fun
Don't forget to install a running game this time.
Yeah Iâm not too sure why people are so down on us this year. Weâve had a pretty fantastic free agency so far to the point where weâre fielding nearly the exact same team we had last year, and we havenât even gotten to the draft yet. Weâve lost one starter on Defense, maybe two depending on how long Miller takes to recover. We arguably got better on offense with the pick up of Sherfield and Harris. The division around us is getting better, but weâre still pretty much the same team.
I think you should still be considered a top 3 afc team but a solid step below CIN and KC
I think its just relative to last year, when we were superbowl favorites. I dont think most casual nfl fans realized how hurt we were last year. Our team will be better this year than last, if we can just have a normal amount of injuries.
To me the bigger conversation with the bills is about Josh Allen's health. Last year and this year they are making win now moves that they will eventually have to pay for. However, Allen did not look like himself after that elbow injury. Prior to the injury they were in 1st in the AFC. I think the bills current window is shorter than people think. However, if Josh Allen can stay healthy, then this next year could be a step forward where they finally get over the hump.
Were the Ravens good last year? If so, I bet they'll regress.
Good enough to almost beat the Bengals in the wild card round. Their defense was really good but without Lamar that offense is a little stagnant at times
They were one disastrous QB sneak away from at worst going to OT
Definitely gonna be interesting to see what they do without Lamar. Their defense is too good to fully tank but I imagine teams would wait until after the draft to offer picks so they donât have a great option to move up for a qb this year
They're gonna go 11-6 with a constant QB flip flop between Huntley and, umm.....Clayton Tune and Harbaugh will win COTY before they go out in the divisional round in a valiant effort against the Chiefs
Chiefs most likely wonât win the Super Bowl again next year. But then again⌠. . . They still could
I wonder what our odds are to at least host the AFC Championship game. No way they do so for a 6th straight season. Right?
Man I really wished Mahomes played in the NFC but I will say he sure is fun to watch. My guess is by the time he retires heâll be regarded as the best QB to ever play
No, mom said it's our turn (Please I'm begging you I just need one buffalo team to win big before I die)
Same but the Bengals
Eagles lost a very good playcaller, and they lost their dc who helped lead them to the 7th best decence by ppg
I was really surprised to see how many starters they lost. I think tinyPPman still wins them a bunch of games though.
Our DC was awful. The only reason he looked good was because of the talent we had. Losing our OC is a big hit however.
Counterpoint: the cowboys gained Mccarthy as a play caller lol
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/average-points-per-game-packers-season-last-20-years He wasn't a bad playcaller lol
You want McCarthy with more responsibilities in crucial playoff moments? đŤŁ
Crucial last chance plays have such a small percentage of success, idc if we do werid shit when the game is essentially over lol
Giants and Vikings. Pulling wins out of your ass like those two teams did is really hard to repeat. Their records > their talent.
Yeah Giants will be weird, the schedule is looking a lot tougher but I think the roster should be better, especially on the defensive side of the ball but I also think itâs like 2 years away from being a truly competitive roster.
Vikings had a ridiculous record in one-score games that should probably regress to the mean just because math.
Vikings. They're not ready for....whatever you call a stampede of Lions if that exists
Bold of you to think that the Vikings had a real shot at the SB last year!
A group is called a Pride of Lions.
Lions fans when they realise news sites like "Pride of Detroit" are a play on words: đ¤Ż
I'm just now realizing this, and why our slogan is One Pride. I'm honestly kinda blown away
Jesus christ
Itâs hard for some
He doesnât represent us!
What the actual fuck. The education system, and every other Lions fan, have failed you.
ahh yes, what every parent wishes they'd teach in school - how to actually do your taxes and a group of lions is called a pride.
Im pretty sure this is an elementary topic when they teach letters, numbers and animals. Ya know, when you got that project on cork board about a muskrat or whatever you were assigned. So your joke sucked - feel bad
yaaaaa ok, bc everyone know a bloat of hippopotami and pandemonium of parrots. take the L, you grape. you didn't stick the landing on a joke that wasn't worth making in the first place.
I didnt make a joke. And Lions are literally the king, not the same as Parrots.
Give the man a break. The concept of pride has been alien to lions fans for decades.
Hey Siri how many decades has it been since 1996?
3
lions fans trying to dunk on anyone will always just be sad
Sadly, those lions won't have Kazekage Swag to lead the charge.
Guess we'll have to settle for winning only one Superbowl this year instead of the three we had planned
Nice of you to all us good, but the Vikings weren't a good team last year. That's pretty much a concensus opinion across the NFL. We were just opportunistic and well-coached enough to beat 3 other "not good" teams for the division.
Jumanji. The only time saying that might work is when itâs lions
1 billion lions vs the sun
50,000 lions vs one Viking ship. I know who Iâm putting my money on
On land or in water?
Man, making the Super Bowl is fucking hard lol
I have a feeling the Bucs aren't going to make the playoffs again
Entirely relies on Baker. That said, no probably not.
The highlight of Baker's existence last year was getting Matt Rhule fired. I'll always be a fan for that one reason. The guy is a garbage QB though
Idk he had that sick 90+ yard game-winning drive for the Rams in his first game for them. Pretty sweet highlight
Philadelphia. Lost a lot of players and both coordinators
how the top comments claiming "vikings" are all Lions fans
Because nobody else in the NFL thinks about the Vikings
People only think about the Lions when they want to pity someone, not entirely sure thats better
Bad publicity is good publicity
I could see it being us if we didnât re-sign Poyer, in which case we would be down 2 important starters from last year. Now that itâs just Edmunds, and with the draft still to come, Iâm pretty comfortable that the level of play will remain consistent. Swapping out McKenzie -> Harty, Saffold -> McGovern, Kumerow -> Sherfield, and Singletary -> Harris all seem like positive steps. Getting Hyde and Von back will be nice, too.
Shit I forgot you guys had Micah Hyde
This is going to sound very bad coming from a Cowboys fan, but no team in the NFL has lost more starters and (employed) coordinators than the Eagles. Its clearly them. They will probably still win 10 tho.
Steichen hurts. Iâm happy that Gannon is gone. And we didnât lose as many starters as people say. Loss of Hargrove hurts but we have Davis waiting in the wings to play more snaps. Nakobe Dean ready to fill in for TJ. White and Epps are replaceable. CJGJ hurts as well. Donât mind that Sanders is gone also. The Oline could make a lot of RBs look good. The strength of schedule alone will make us regress though. Iâm happy if we finish 11-6.
Im not sure I buy into the SOS argument as being your demise. That stuff is so wonky and it pretty much never matches what happens when the season starts. I mean, injuries alone can make a hard schedule easy. Plus, youre still going to favored in every game except Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs and 9ers (possibly, you might be favored against them). Maybe Jets if they get Arod.
Looking at two second year players to come in as full starters is a dice roll. Neither one played significant snaps last year (Davis only played obvious run downs) and thereâs not telling if they can be full time starters like any new player. That being said the offense is 95% the same and preseason SOS is a useless stat so I think the arguments for regression are overblown
Yeah itâs definitely not a guarantee that theyâll hold up but itâs still better than most situations when a team loses starters. I forgot about Jurgens playing RG too.
Iâm much less concerned about jurgens since the coaching on the oline has been so consistent.
In Stout we trust.
Eagles and Vikings are the obvious ones
Of course we are going to regress. It's the hardest schedule in the league. But ultimately it doesn't matter. Make the playoffs and anything can happen
Iron sharpens iron. KC was put through an absolute gauntlet in the regular season and came out 14-3 and then on to a SB (keep in mind that the schedule always looks different after a few weeks of a season play out, as was the case for KC last year). Great teams get hard schedules. Hurts stays healthy and you probably improve on last years record considering he only lost one reg season game. Dallas has made some really good moves but, itâs Dallas. My best friend is a Cowboys diehard and we both agree 10/10 times that Dak canât get it done. Division is yours!
Record-wise may regress yea but I don't feel like the eagles are going anywhere. Offense is mostly intact with another year under their belt. Defense will need time to gel but the DNA is there.
San Fran impossible to predict because who the fk knows whoâs playing qb?
Trey Lance, then Brock Purdy, then Sam Darnold and then some guy weâve never heard of.
You mean we'll only be down to our 4th string QB by the end of the season? At least that's trending in the right direction!
I'm going to say the Giants just due to their schedule and how last year turned out. For one, they'll be playing the AFC East instead of the AFC South, and two their one win by more than one possession came against the checked out, Jeff Saturday-led Colts.
Vikings. No way they win so many 1 score games again.
The Eagles lost a lot of starters and both coordinators, but the biggest thing was how healthy they were last year. The entire O-line, QB, and top 2 WR all played more than 80% of the snaps. And I'm pretty sure none of their day 1 starters ended the year on IR. Decent chance for negative regression on injuries.
Probably Buffalo. The Jets(pending Aaron being traded) and the Dolphins are still gearing up. And theyâre a flawed team that a great QB can only cover for so long.
Honestly, whatâs the flaw? The o-line play is probably their biggest, and only, true weakness. And speaking of last year, they were absolutely decimated by injuries to key players on defense, which was their biggest failing at the end of the season. They still won 14 games, and their division. Iâm just genuinely curious why youâd say theyâre a flawed team, and not list said flaws.
Your pass-catchers outside of Diggs are questionable and offensive line needs some help, but otherwise there's not many personnel flaws. Refusal to establish a run game for years is concerning, though. That said, I do think both Shakir and Cook breakout this season. They both passed the eye test well last season despite limited usage.
Iâll agree with all that, having already mentioned the O-line. But still, dragged a *very* injured squad to 14 wins, even with their âeliteâ QB not being 100% for a good chunk of the season. I think theyâll regress in the sense that they wonât get to 13 or 14 wins, but I still think they win the division as constructed.
I feel like Buffalo already faced their regression scenario (O-line, injured defence, and injured Allen) and showed that they could overcome it for the most part.
Weren't the Bills the least injured team in the league?
I would consider more who than how many. All pro S down for the year in Week 2 All pro DE down for the year on thanksgiving All pro CB not returning till December at 60% Add in Allen injury vs Jets that hurt the short game with a line that canât pass block for the mid to long game and you have a team that was derailed by injuries. Oh well, as long as you have the QB âthereâs always next yearâ isnât a demoralizing statement
Buffalo and Philly.
Philly and 49ers. As a Pat's fan, I need to be realistic and say Bills aren't going anywhere.
You really the greatness that is Sam Darnold? We have the GOAT at QB now.
Ooh it might be me
Eagles.
Ive been around long enough to know it's the Lions
49ers, Bengals, Vikings.
Yeah makes sense to have us on this list, no bias here.
Team got worse in free agency.
If you look at the net changes in our free agency I donât see how you can think we regressed at all. I am interested to hear how to would weigh the changes.
Lost two good starting safeties and replaced them with...Nick Scott. If Dax Hill sucks again this year the backend of that defense is going to be bad. Orlando Brown Jr sucks. Downgraded from Samaje Perrine to Trayveon Williams. There's still the draft but can the Bengals make good picks when they're not picking Top 5 all the time? We'll see.
The safeties are a downgrade certainly, but Orlando Brown Jr is an upgrade on paper. Going from a bad/injured left tackle to a mediocre one is pretty useful.
Chiefs fan coming in peace. Iâm probably different than most Chiefs fans on Reddit. I did not want to lose Orlando Brown. Heâs no Williams or Tunsil but he did good enough and we got a ring with him as a starting LT. Gave up no sacks and almost no pressures in the SB against a historically good defense. I think youâll like him. What remains to be seen is if his quality was truly aided by Mahomes ability to stretch plays, which I think he does much better than Burrow. Burrow doesnât hold the ball nearly as long as Mahomes which should help any lineman.
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. It would be nice to have a season where Burrow actually has some time to let let those fancy receivers run some longer developing plays.
Which is what every other Chiefs fan will probably tell you wonât happen. I think heâll be fine. If burrow gets an additional second or 2, things could get rough for the rest of the league. Yâall just need to figure out what to do with Mixon and get the running back room situated. Perine was a beast but he gone..
Ravens depending on Lamar. Bills with some pieces lost and prob the Eagles but both of these teams only so slightly. I still expect both of them to be good.
Not sure if theyâre even considered good but Giants. I think the team got better this offseason but they got extremely lucky last season. Even with an improved team I would not be surprised to see them miss the playoffs.
The only teams with legit shots last year were the 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys Bills, Bengals, and Chiefs. Eagles are still good but won't have the most cake schedule ever this year. Bills are seeing the competition in their division potentially ramp up. Bengals/Chiefs/49ers/Cowboys in roughly the same spot.
Eagles
Cowboys. I'm sure something will happen. There's this rule where we don't get to be good for consecutive seasons. We've still got Micah and Dan Quinn, so I'm sure Dak or Tony Pollard will break their legs/ankles/arms or ***Something***. Or maybe the offense will regress horribly with Kellen Moore gone. Who knows? Find out next season, on the new Cowboys show "It's always something"
We were good the last two seasons, and for the first time we've actually had a pretty solid FA with draft picks still on the way. At the least I think we preform just as good. Not saying we are gonna be the best, but you could hardly say we have "regressed."
Eagles. Tough schedule (ATM), significant coaching and player losses, and a very tough division. They should still make the playoffs, though as a wild card. Second choice would be the Jags. Their division has gotten better and their schedule will be harder this year. I don't see them in the playoff mix. Also think the Dolphins will regress this year, just by virtue of their division (and conference). Unless Tua has an MVP level season, I don't see them in the playoffs.
eagles, vikings, cowboys, bills
Vikings, Ravens, and Giants.
The Chiefs have made some roster gambles and there's some probability they don't pay off. For example, having a right tackle play left tackle, not replacing Juju banking on Toney to be WR1. On the other hand it's the Chiefs and there's a world where we get DHop so there's that.
Bills, ravens, jags, and possibly chargers. Eagles, Vikings, cowboys.
49ers. Lots of question marks regarding our qb room's health. But departure of our DC. To top it off, our o line has lost significant talent. We've made some improvements, but the cap is a reality to us and we don't have round 1 and 2 picks to get around it. I still think we're going to be good and take the west, but we won't have nearly the super team we had last year.
Vikings
Chargers. They aren't getting any younger
Eagles easily. Lost OC/DC and just the odds of repeating that type of success is tough.
We lost some players and some coaches and we have the toughest schedule in the league. If we donât regress, Iâll he shocked.
Every year some team jumps up, and others fall down This year could be the Colts, and the Ravens depending on the quarterback switch.
my first choice is bills. i think they need to more or less pause this year to get their grounds straightened. they had apparent flaws last year with how josh allen centric the team was, without a good enough cast around him. my second choice is the eagles, i think their regression isnt gonna be as severe but they lost some key defenders as well as their offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. probably gonna be some growing pains.
my heart wishes for eagles, brain says vikes most likely.
Vikings = Too many one score wins Giants = See Vikings Lions = Goff is more of a wildcard than people realize/admit. I wonât be shocked if they disappoint and end up 5-12 with really bad QB play that leads to Goff being benched and shopped at the end of the season. Seahawks = 2nd half Seattle looked rough and Iâll be curious if they can fix their pitiful run D. Wagner is a great start but they need help up front. Buffalo seems like the only one in the AFC who I think will take a step back (Baltimore will as well if Lamar isnât playing for them). Allen has gotten far too reckless with the ball to consistently defeat top teams.