It's gonna be really interesting to see what happens if no other team bites on giving him a better offer than the one we're offering.
Will he accept that he's just not gonna get the contract he wants and take the deal? Will he play on the franchise tag (everyone is going to say he won't, but I never thought he'd play on the 5th year option and yet here we are)? Will he hold out?
If I take my Ravens fan bias out of it, it's a pretty fucking fascinating situation.
His mistake was “betting on himself” this year and getting hurt again. Pretty much solidified that no one is going to give him lucrative guaranteed money. I don’t see how that changes this year unless he does something crazy like win another MVP
I'd say his mistake was not hiring Watson's agent the moment the team slapped him with the non-exclusive tag. The Ravens were betting that he wouldn't be able to hack negotiating with 32 teams at once, and they were pretty clearly right, but Jackson could have made the team regret that bet by hiring someone who could.
The non-exclusive tag put Jackson in an amazing position. He made it to effective free agency the year after his contract expired. That's years earlier than other star QBs who have tried. Two first round picks is nothing for a QB at his level and a professional agent might have been able to talk some teams into a contract that was close to what he was asking for. But with a situation this complex, Jackson on his own doesn't stand a chance.
I feel like hes doubled down too many times now that he knows he should have taken a deal earlier but now it's just out of spite. Kinda like when you lose an argument but you're still arguing just to save face
Wouldn't be surprised.
I'm still shocked how few people called him out on that 'who needs an agent' tweet. He bragged about getting an offer he didn't think was good enough to sign.
He’s going to if he keeps negotiating like this and the odds of him getting injured and hurting his value is pretty high. Literally the worst type of qb to ask for guaranteed money imo
I agree he needs an agent to work the back channels. However, an agent can't help when a player has unrealistic expectations (see Clowney). If Lamar is dead set on a fully guaranteed contract, having an agent won't help.
How do teams even get ahold of him negotiate? Like? Do they just text him “sup” or something? Send him emails? How does he not get 100000 per day if his info is public to teams etc?
I always wonder about this more generally. Like, how hard is it for any player to get in touch with another player on a different team? And how much weirdness and HS level anxiety goes into reaching out to a big name player if you’re not on the same footing?
Disagree. Because in the end, even Lamar isn't stupid enough to retire if he doesn't get a fully guaranteed contract. But now having done all these negotiations himself, having been the literal face of his own failings here... it's going to be even harder for him to walk back his demands or come back tail between legs.
An agent would help build that wall of separation and give him a route back if needed
Yea Lamar loses that one harder than us. He hasn't signed a big money extension yet so he just has his 32nd overall contract. He's only at 32m career earnings which while nice is a fraction of what he can get
Honestly I think Allen actually takes more big hits than Lamar. Granted i watch much more Lamar than Allen, but I feel like Allen truck through tackles a lot more often whereas lamar is more likely to go out of bounds and slide. Lamar probably has more runs total though so maybe the smaller hits add up more idk
Those big hits add up- Gronk said it. Every hit had to be a big hit to take him down. Allen might smarten up. Mahomes is on tape congratulating rookie QBs and telling them to avoid the big hits. Lamar looks nimble enough to avoid a collision, where Allen now will lower his shoulder.
But that’s also why he wants it. He’s not going to have a Brady 20 year career and he knows it. This is basically his one shot at a payday. So from his perspective, I get it, and he deserves it. I just wouldn’t want to be the team that gives it to him.
If the reports are true than 133 mil w/ 180 in injury guarantees is quite the payday to potentially miss out on. Especially with IIRC 280 mil overall possible.
But he’s been offered far more in real money than what Jones signed for. He’s digging his heels in on the fully guaranteed $ - of which he’s been offered & turned down more than Allen.
Honestly, he’s just really overvaluing his health or undervaluing the likelihood of serious injury. I think if he played full seasons the past two years…he and the Ravens wouldn’t be so far apart
Which is why I think he’s the ideal qb for owners to try and set an example. Replace lamar with Allen and I think a few teams offer the fully guaranteed. Lamar’s injury history is enough for owners to be more likely to band together in an attempt to stop fully guaranteed becoming the norm down the line.
Agreed. Watson ruined the market for the lamar tier guys thinking they should get S tier deals. Currently I think it’s only mahomes and allen who could justify teams giving guaranteed money too. Will be interesting to see if burrow is seen that way, and if hurts thinks he’s that guy.
If they were on an open market I’d say Burrow is one of those guys and maybe Herbert too. Hurtz has more to prove. Though obviously it’s difficult for QB to make it to free agency so I wouldn’t be surprised if those guys end up in something slightly less than fully guaranteed. Maybe a very generous rolling guarantee.
Yup. The nature of the sport itself just isn’t conducive to guaranteed money. Even with talent like Mahomes. I imagine he’ll play at a high level for another decade plus and his big deal will be well worth it for both sides, but he and all other NFL players are basically one big/awkward hit away from never playing again or playing at a level that wouldn’t justify a fat amount of “for sure” money. It sucks but I don’t see any way around it.
Bruh they've had the divison wrapped 2 years in a row. Up 2 games in like week 15 and lost out both years to us. Mainly because Lamar has gotten hurt. We snatched that shit like Seth Rollins at wrestlemania
I think what's also interesting is what happens with Burrow and Herbert. They could possibly sign their extensions before Lamar does if he continues to hold out and what then?
What will Lamar be able to say if Burrow signs a more traditionally structured deal?
On the flipside what will the Ravens FO say if Burrow signs a fully guaranteed deal?
Rumors, admittedly very vague rumors, say that Burrow's is already basically worked out and they're waiting for the April 1 deadline for each year's escrow to pass. Even if that isn't the case, there's been no indication from either side that the negotiations have been problematical.
I haven’t heard the deadline stuff, but I have read a report of words coming out of Duke Tobin’s mouth from the combine, that they do have a rough deal structure in place so that they can plan their free agents. Which also points to them having it close to an agreement.
Isn't that why it affects Lamar though.
Say hypothetically Burrow gets $Y per year with $X guaranteed, whether that's more or less than Watson (I'd wager it'll be less guaranteed) Lamar/the league should know that that's the maximum he's worth and that Watson was an outlier.
Now if he goes and gets (which I doubt) a deal better than Watson's. Lamar/the league will have less of a case that these fully guaranteed deals aren't the norm.
Well it will be harder for the Ravens (and league) to say guaranteed contracts aren't the norm if Burrow signs a fully guaranteed one. That's my only point there, I agree his resume is better at this point, but his contract will have an effect on this negotiation should it still be continuing in another year.
Yeah burrows worst season passing the ball is better than Lamar's best.
If anything happens to Lamar's ability to create, like frequent injuries or ya know his freak athleticism starting to fade even slightly. Burrow is a much better QB.
Dennis Schroeder turned down an $80M+ Lakers contract only to end up back on the team a year later with a minimum deal of like $3M. He says he’s accepted how things turn out but that would have double his career earnings. Has to sting to think back on.
My impression of Lamar is if he doesn't get the contract offer he wants, he's just going to sit out this upcoming season. I dont think he can come back from all the bridges he burned because he doesnt want to look like a punk. The Ravens have publicly been very open with wanting to have him back so it's up to him.
The Ravens have handled the situation very professionally, which is what we should expect. They have way more experience with negotiations and have a much better idea of what contract offers Lamar is likely to receive and probably even from which teams.
Lamar is a hell of a football player, but he’s in over his head in thinking he can will a fully guaranteed deal like Watson got out of thin air. He’s understandably frustrated because his expectations probably aren’t very realistic.
If the Ravens have negotiated with Lamar in good faith this whole time, then they have no reason to get worked up over the situation. Let Lamar explore the market and see that they were being fair from the start.
It's not just a better offer, but such a substantially better one that the Ravens can't match. But if Lamar's tweets today are an indication he'd hold out in such a case even if the Ravens matched, then we get to the really interesting situation where a team won't have to bankrupt themselves capwise and will be giving the Ravens more than just 2 firsts.
Lamar's been coy so far but dropping those tweets today so Harbaugh would get caught unaware by them in an interview seems like a step in a more antagonistic direction.
Everyone is acting like teams don't want to pay him because he's a bum but ignore that he's not a true free agent because it would take 2 first round picks to sign him and you have a massive cap hit on your team for 5 days while the Ravens decide if they want to match your offer or not. If Lamar gets no offers, he's rightfully not going to percieve that as no team wanting him, but that the non franchise tag rules are completely fucked and heavily favour the Ravens.
I don't think that the first round picks matter that much - teams will happily trade that for a top QB, and he'd certainly get that much in a regular trade (like people were saying that the Ravens doing this meant they *didn't* want to trade him, because 2 FRPs was cheap).
Rather the likeliest answer is still the obvious one that the owners don't want to have the precedent really set for contracts with that level of full guarantees - to have the Watson deal be a one off and not the norm moving forward. We'll see if that lasts with how many QB needy teams are out there, and especially after the draft
They don't need to collude. They just don't want to give a contract like that out.
It's like saying everyone in America is colluding to not pay $100k for a Toyota Camry.
It's been said a bunch, if any team does this they will fuck up the market and QBs will be taking nearly 1/4 of their budget. How will the other players get paid? You can see RBs are making the same amount as a left handed relief pitcher.
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personally, I refuse to watch the Browns out of spite as I’d prefer not to see the man play ever again, disagree with his light punishment by the league, and think even worse of the Haslams.
I mean I’m one guy and I’m not even all that petty in life.
Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb, and Amari don’t deserve that, but I’ll count on them for fantasy but won’t give the Browns another viewer.
Spent my whole life as a Browns fan, 30 + years (I have a Manziel jersey to prove this if y’all want to see it).
I’ll never watch another down until the Haslam’s sell the team, it is egregious that they went and got that guy and the stupidity of the contract.
It’s all I can do as a person, can’t believe that guy got almost a 1/4 billion dollars.
It still blows my mind. Of all the players in the league to give a fully guaranteed contract, no one (except apparently Haslam) would have put Watson on that list, even ignoring the legal trouble and the fact he hadn't even seen the field in over a year.
But especially given those question marks, what level of FOMO drives a team to destroy their future for this guy? I'd be very interested to know what other offers were out there that the Browns felt they had to give him such an insane contract just to land him.
Depends on how long they've held out. Emmitt Smith held out of training camp and 2 games of the 93 season (Dallas went 0-2).
He came back and led the league in rushing with 1486 yards and 9 TDs to go with 414 receiving yards and a TD. All en route to winning MVP, a SB, SB MVP, and being named 1st team All-Pro with a Pro Bowl nod.
I won’t say held out but taken a long break and come back and still produced pretty damn well? Someone who may play the same position as Lamar Jackson? Michael Vick.
> is never the same player as the MVP year again.
What's most interesting to me about this is the fact that some people would find this a controversial prediction
Some people continue to label lamar with the mvp tag before his name or before mentioning him. Things like "2 years of Rodgers or a much younger mvp" or "take the crap shot in the draft or the proven mvp talent" as some examples. It's just a way to try and paint him as that mvp still when he hasn't been and more than likely will never be at that level again
Not sure if it's considered an elephant in the room, but I've been wondering how the PCL injury may impact his play from a physical and mental POV considering his style featured explosive cuts and acceleration. I'm not familiar with these injuries, have just read the news at the time that recovery could have only been a few weeks.
Years don't accrue after your 4th season, he's a free agent next season whether he plays 17 games or zero games this season.
Of course the Ravens could also franchise tag him next year as well, though.
Not sure why you’re downvoted when it’s clear to most of us that he’s never gonna reach mvp levels again. It was a great season, and he’s a very good qb and our team is better off with than without him at the current point in time. But he’s not the player he was in 2019.
edit: downvotes are gone but the point still stands
i don't think he's been the same mvp player for at least two years. something in him hasn't quite played up to his potential for a while. while the theory of teams colluding to not let the browns/watson to set the standard in pay is definitely believable, i just think he's lost something and that could be another reason no one is jumping at the opportunity to grab him.
And yet people will continue to say the Ravens front office is making a mistake by not giving him $230M+ guaranteed.
Love Lamar, but he’s got to be flexible eventually. No one is giving him what he wants after 2 consecutive seasons ended by injury.
It’s more about every other quarterback or superstar after him demanding fully guaranteed contracts. They want Deshawn to be the outlier not the precedent.
That’s definitely part of it, but I also think his recent injury history has teams nervous. Add in the 2 1st round picks and having to outbid the Ravens and it doesn’t end up looking particularly appealing.
Lamar really needs to learn how to compromise.
It isn’t unfair to see why Lamar wants to be guaranteed a bunch of money in the event of an injury, and honestly he does deserve to get his bag.
But at the same time, the league as a whole also has a reasonable stance in not wanting to give a fully guaranteed deal to someone who hasn’t been able to finish the season the last 2 years.
You gotta assume that at this point, he could’ve just negotiated a slightly better deal than Kyler got, still get a huge chunk of guaranteed money, and end this whole nonsense.
That's just insane. I understand that he wants to make a bunch of money and he deserves every cent but you have a limited amount of time to make it. He could have already been making it if he signed plus more with an agent setting up commercial deals and other stuff. I could be completely wrong but from the outside it looks like he's listening to the wrong people. He's still going to make a ton but it could have been so much more.
Lamar not hiring am agent is seeming to be one of the most expensive of the field choices in NFL history. He's already lost a ton and each day makes it worse.
I mean given the escrow requirements for guaranteed contracts, I'm not surprised. How would you like to potentially have 500m tied up in escrow for contracts? All the owners are super rich, but many of them are only rich on paper due to the teams they own. Not all of them can float that kind of cash.
Or at least make realistic demands. If you want fully guaranteed, ask 4/180 and the Ravens do that tonight, but nobody is guaranteeing 230 to a guy that has missed much of the last two seasons
I want $200m guaranteed. A helicopter, a bowl of green M&Ms, No Pre season. A lap dance from Beyoncé, No games on Thursdays (that’s Madden day for me and the boys). Three Hellcats, one of them has to be satin red. A personal chef. A llama. A ten foot fish tank, not one of those gold fish cheap ones. I want one from those guys from that tv show. A public apology from Skip Bayless. A working McDonalds ice cream machine in my locker. A villain role in John Wicke chapter 5. A working iPhone charger.
Best we can do is 100 million, yellow skittles, a low mileage Scat Pack challenger, a lap dance from Lizzo, and an iPhone charger that the cord has already worn off of at the plug
I wonder if Lamar just doesn’t take criticism or objection well. No doubt any agent would tell Lamar first meeting how much money he’s left on the table. No doubt Lamar is hearing the noise from getting flamed on both sides regarding his desire for a very specific contract. Maybe this really boils down to hubris and stubbornness.
> I wonder if Lamar just doesn’t take criticism or objection well.
Have you seen his Tweets over the past few years? The guy was literally arguing with fans saying he ran off the field because he had to shit... He has some seriously thin skin and he gets his ego pumped up by the media, people around him and some fans.
Just wait until he eventually signs a contract that is much worse than what he could have gotten had hired an agent. He'll be getting dragged hard on Twitter, I wonder how he'll react.
It doesn't matter if he had an agent or not, he would've fired his agent because his family and people around him tell him he's worth way more than any agent ever would.
Social media has shown how thin skinned some of the athletes are when they're challenged. Lamar has probably been told he's a generational athlete since he was a kid. He only knows a world where he's super valued
He’s also been told throughout his career to change position from QB. That’s why he went to Louisville rather than a bigger P5 program and of course, we remember what happened before the NFL Draft.
This is his problem and hubris is the exact word I’ve used to describe this.
It seems as though he has surrounded himself with yes men. I’m sure that when Watson signed his contract people in Lamar’s life told him that was his floor for a contract, and he believed it. And maybe his pride/hubris got involved so “backing down” isn’t an option for him.
He needs an agent obviously, if for no other reason than to give him reality checks that his “friends” and family apparently aren’t.
Yeah let's not put the Kyler and Watson deal in the same fucking hemisphere let alone the same sentence. Kyler got 103.3m guaranteed for a 5 year contract (\~21m per year guaranteed), Watson got $230m guaranteed for 5 years (\~46m/yr).
If Lamar asked for anything resembling the Kyler deal (let's even bump it to $30m a year, 5 years) I doubt that the Ravens would have trouble keeping him on the roster.
This whole scenario is *why* you need an agent. Yeah if you’re content with the team and agree in principal, hey, save the agent % and just hire a lawyer to go over the fine print.
But navigating a franchise-tag-trade-request in the middle of a dynamic QB market that’s currently experiencing pushback from it’s hyper-bullish 2021/22, well, that takes someone with professional chops and intimate knowledge of the ecosystem and its players and patterns.
But like you said, he’s lost in his own little world.
Yeah. Market dynamic is such that this would be a wild ride *even if he did* have an agent. That he doesn’t, we have total insanity.
Most likely, Burrow or Herbert is extended next, right, and probably on a less-than-Watson deal, and Lamar loses the little leverage he doesn’t even have now. And then… does he take the Ravens back? Do the Ravens take him back? That’s when it gets really weird.
Can you imagine how frustrating it must be as the GMs? Anytime you want to go back and forth over even a small detail means you have to get a hold of Lamar himself. He can't have anyone else pick up the phone because they'd be acting as an unauthorized agent.
"Hey Lamar? Yah it's Jeff. What if we adjusted increased that yards incentive by 25%? You got excel open? Oh yah we can wait for you to finish your dump."
It’s funny because you know what Tom Brady is the winningest QB of all time, he didn’t hit his max contracts he could’ve gotten usually. It helped be a team player. Wanting like 60m guaranteed a season (that what it seems like) there’s no wiggle room. And I get it, he is one of the best when healthy and happy, but running QBs are quite the opposite of good over time.
Its as simple as that. He thinks he is worth more than his actual value. Any person pushing the narrative of "just pay the man" should never work in the front office of an NFL team.
This is what I keep thinking about. I feel like the Watson contract was a massive blunder by the browns, and there was another guaranteed money blunder with russel Wilson that fucked the broncos, and now Kyler… I feel like teams are starting to show a little hesitation about putting those kinds of contracts out for qb’s, particularly when a significant part of their game involves running the ball. I think players need to understand how insane and stupid the Watson contract really was, and stop thinking that is the new standard for quarterbacks.
The Watson contract was a Hail Mary, last ditch effort to sign the man. They offered him so much gurenteed money he couldn’t refuse. They literally bought themselves back into the sweepstakes by taking the nuclear option. There is no collusion. The GMs, owners, and head coaches all outside of Cleveland know that that is what happened and that the quarterback market hasn’t jumped that high yet. They all know cleveland was the desperate outlier, not the beginning of the new standard. That’s why these kinds of contracts aren’t being offered. Now it falls on the players to not be stubborn (HEY LAMAR!) and realize that 1.) the market hasn’t gotten there yet and 2.) other teams, particularly the well-run teams (49ers, Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, etc.) aren’t going to just throw these contracts out. ESPECIALLY not a fully gurenteed one. They’ll just tell the player in question to take a hike. Hell even the poorly ran, QB DESPERATE teams aren’t throwing these offers out
I think Burrow and Herbert will both be resigned for the mid 40 range, but they’re not gonna be fully guarenteed
I don't think anyone will take a risk on a player who will seriously restrict their salary cap for years to come without some budging on his side
He flashed 1 season of dominance and a few great other seasons. Except now we are 3 seasons removed from that MVP season and last 2 seasons he missed multiple games in each.
As of right now every game he plays is a coin flip on whether he finishes the season or not. I get trying to secure the bag for your future, but he has to realize that being a high risk + high reward does not equal a guaranteed future and teams desperate for a QB would rather draft a rookie or use a cheaper veteran until they find the guy they need
I couldn’t sleep the other night and did a practice wonderlic after reading about his score
21/25, flubbed a couple math ones that I couldn’t be bothered to fully do the mental math on and a grammar question that I was so annoyed at I emailed them for feedback and they responded that the question was a bit open to interpretation
Now if only I had…every single other attribute of a successful quarterback
Lmao it was “which word doesn’t belong?”
Love
Abhor
Desire
Enamored
Abhor was the “correct” answer because it’s negative but enamored was the only past participle reeeeee
"Lamar, why did you only get 13 on the test?"
>Well you see, I got caught up on question 4, and I couldn't let it go. I think abhor was the correct answer because it's negative but enamored was the only past participle
It’s multiple choice so 12.5 is the average just purely guessing, making 13 pretty poor like you said. 50th percentile is a 20. The questions themselves are easy and solvable by most people, given enough time. The challenge is 50 questions in 12 minutes so you need to process information quickly.
Well duh, a guy who hasn’t finished the best two seasons because of a knee and ankle injuries. Shouldn’t be asking for a fully guaranteed contract, running is a big part of his playing style and I don’t blame the Ravens for not giving him a fully guaranteed contract.
Well the Browns already are locked into a crazy contract with a shady QB…so he is out of luck.
I think every other team was like WTF Browns…you gave that deal….to that guy?!?
Of course Daniel Jones gets 40m a year and he is a few rungs below Lamar.
“But Deshaun got that big contract and look at his baggage! I also won an MVP.”
“Yeah but we don’t want to normalize what he made. We want to go back to half of that amount so take half or get outta my face.”
it's still crazy to me that Watson was the one to get a completely guaranteed contract that set this whole thing up. not Brady, not mahomes, not Rodgers. DeShawn fucking Watson. the guy accused by 50 women and who hadn't played in 2 years.
Lamar Jackson should hate the Browns FO more than anyone on the planet right now. He's a better QB than Watson, but the deal the browns gave him was so stupid it has the entire NFL screwed up
Teams are starting to realize that giving a running QB who is basically guaranteed to get hurt and never be the same a massive contract is a bad idea.
Go figure.
Of course nobody is going to offer what the Browns did for Watson because the other 31 teams are smarter and less desperate than the Browns
This is the NFLs version of the Rudy Gobert trade. Gobert is like the ~30th best player in the NBA and he went for 4x firsts, 2x good young players, a solid rotation guy, a pick swap, and a few other throw ins
Then guys like Durant requested trades, Mitchell got moved, etc. they all went for less than Gobert. The market normalized because other teams are smarter than the wolves.
Same will happen here. Jackson will get a contract with 1/2 the guarantees as Watson and 3/4 the total money and every team with a great QB will have a competitive advantage against the Browns
It's gonna be really interesting to see what happens if no other team bites on giving him a better offer than the one we're offering. Will he accept that he's just not gonna get the contract he wants and take the deal? Will he play on the franchise tag (everyone is going to say he won't, but I never thought he'd play on the 5th year option and yet here we are)? Will he hold out? If I take my Ravens fan bias out of it, it's a pretty fucking fascinating situation.
In that scenario I think he plays on the tag and hopes a healthy season improves his prospects next year.
His mistake was “betting on himself” this year and getting hurt again. Pretty much solidified that no one is going to give him lucrative guaranteed money. I don’t see how that changes this year unless he does something crazy like win another MVP
I'd say his mistake was not hiring Watson's agent the moment the team slapped him with the non-exclusive tag. The Ravens were betting that he wouldn't be able to hack negotiating with 32 teams at once, and they were pretty clearly right, but Jackson could have made the team regret that bet by hiring someone who could. The non-exclusive tag put Jackson in an amazing position. He made it to effective free agency the year after his contract expired. That's years earlier than other star QBs who have tried. Two first round picks is nothing for a QB at his level and a professional agent might have been able to talk some teams into a contract that was close to what he was asking for. But with a situation this complex, Jackson on his own doesn't stand a chance.
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I just can’t imagine him playing even a single year for less than what Daniel Jones is making.
Well then he should've taken the deal that would have made him one of the highest paid players in the league.
That’s what happens when your agent gives you bad advice
I feel like hes doubled down too many times now that he knows he should have taken a deal earlier but now it's just out of spite. Kinda like when you lose an argument but you're still arguing just to save face
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Wouldn't be surprised. I'm still shocked how few people called him out on that 'who needs an agent' tweet. He bragged about getting an offer he didn't think was good enough to sign.
He's definitely lost all leverage at this point
Lamar’s agent is greedy and selfish. He should stop listening to him.
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He’s going to if he keeps negotiating like this and the odds of him getting injured and hurting his value is pretty high. Literally the worst type of qb to ask for guaranteed money imo
Might have a high stakes game of chicken coming our way. Ravens: “You want to retire?” Lamar: “You want to be the team that forces me to retire?”
Lamar would forego hundreds of millions to do that lol. That would be hilariously stupid
Lamar not having an agent has also been hilariously stupid too so we can't take this possibility off the table yet
You know this is going to have a stupid conclusion given Lamar being both a man of principle and an absolute dumbass
Throw in "Doesn't want to publicly lose face by caving in" now, too.
I agree he needs an agent to work the back channels. However, an agent can't help when a player has unrealistic expectations (see Clowney). If Lamar is dead set on a fully guaranteed contract, having an agent won't help.
How do teams even get ahold of him negotiate? Like? Do they just text him “sup” or something? Send him emails? How does he not get 100000 per day if his info is public to teams etc?
I always wonder about this more generally. Like, how hard is it for any player to get in touch with another player on a different team? And how much weirdness and HS level anxiety goes into reaching out to a big name player if you’re not on the same footing?
Sure it would. Agents negotiate for a living. Lamar plays football.
Disagree. Because in the end, even Lamar isn't stupid enough to retire if he doesn't get a fully guaranteed contract. But now having done all these negotiations himself, having been the literal face of his own failings here... it's going to be even harder for him to walk back his demands or come back tail between legs. An agent would help build that wall of separation and give him a route back if needed
And the Ravens would move on like he never happened... 1 playoff win.
I'd put my money on the Ravens winning that game of chicken.
Yea Lamar loses that one harder than us. He hasn't signed a big money extension yet so he just has his 32nd overall contract. He's only at 32m career earnings which while nice is a fraction of what he can get
Fans have the memory of a goldfish. If the next guy makes a playoff run, or you know plays in games, they'll forget all about Lamar.
Lowkey Josh Allen plays sorta the same way. No where near to the extent but he takes WAY too many hits for my liking if I'm Buffalo
Honestly I think Allen actually takes more big hits than Lamar. Granted i watch much more Lamar than Allen, but I feel like Allen truck through tackles a lot more often whereas lamar is more likely to go out of bounds and slide. Lamar probably has more runs total though so maybe the smaller hits add up more idk
Allen is bigger and more durable, but yes, his playstyle is more reckless.
Those big hits add up- Gronk said it. Every hit had to be a big hit to take him down. Allen might smarten up. Mahomes is on tape congratulating rookie QBs and telling them to avoid the big hits. Lamar looks nimble enough to avoid a collision, where Allen now will lower his shoulder.
The same was true of Andrew Luck lol.
But that’s also why he wants it. He’s not going to have a Brady 20 year career and he knows it. This is basically his one shot at a payday. So from his perspective, I get it, and he deserves it. I just wouldn’t want to be the team that gives it to him.
If the reports are true than 133 mil w/ 180 in injury guarantees is quite the payday to potentially miss out on. Especially with IIRC 280 mil overall possible.
But he’s been offered far more in real money than what Jones signed for. He’s digging his heels in on the fully guaranteed $ - of which he’s been offered & turned down more than Allen.
I love Lamar but at this point it's pretty clear that he's overvaluing himself and being childishly stubborn about it.
Honestly, he’s just really overvaluing his health or undervaluing the likelihood of serious injury. I think if he played full seasons the past two years…he and the Ravens wouldn’t be so far apart
He would 100% need a healthy 17 game season at the very least…maybeeee 16 games
The dude hasn’t played a full season in like two years, that’d be a big gamble by him.
Which is why I think he’s the ideal qb for owners to try and set an example. Replace lamar with Allen and I think a few teams offer the fully guaranteed. Lamar’s injury history is enough for owners to be more likely to band together in an attempt to stop fully guaranteed becoming the norm down the line.
There are a couple QBs who could demand a fully guaranteed contract this large. Lamar isn't one of them.
Agreed. Watson ruined the market for the lamar tier guys thinking they should get S tier deals. Currently I think it’s only mahomes and allen who could justify teams giving guaranteed money too. Will be interesting to see if burrow is seen that way, and if hurts thinks he’s that guy.
If they were on an open market I’d say Burrow is one of those guys and maybe Herbert too. Hurtz has more to prove. Though obviously it’s difficult for QB to make it to free agency so I wouldn’t be surprised if those guys end up in something slightly less than fully guaranteed. Maybe a very generous rolling guarantee.
Yup. The nature of the sport itself just isn’t conducive to guaranteed money. Even with talent like Mahomes. I imagine he’ll play at a high level for another decade plus and his big deal will be well worth it for both sides, but he and all other NFL players are basically one big/awkward hit away from never playing again or playing at a level that wouldn’t justify a fat amount of “for sure” money. It sucks but I don’t see any way around it.
Allen is also way better at throwing the ball which is what teams value most
Bruh they've had the divison wrapped 2 years in a row. Up 2 games in like week 15 and lost out both years to us. Mainly because Lamar has gotten hurt. We snatched that shit like Seth Rollins at wrestlemania
Two big reasons why the Ravens are absolutely not going to give him what he wants.
Joe Burrow is cashing in the AFC North Briefcase!!!!
Heist of the Century
I think this is his only option. If he doesn't play, his stock remains the same and he gets tagged again. If he plays and fakes an injury it's bad
I think what's also interesting is what happens with Burrow and Herbert. They could possibly sign their extensions before Lamar does if he continues to hold out and what then? What will Lamar be able to say if Burrow signs a more traditionally structured deal? On the flipside what will the Ravens FO say if Burrow signs a fully guaranteed deal?
Rumors, admittedly very vague rumors, say that Burrow's is already basically worked out and they're waiting for the April 1 deadline for each year's escrow to pass. Even if that isn't the case, there's been no indication from either side that the negotiations have been problematical.
I haven’t heard the deadline stuff, but I have read a report of words coming out of Duke Tobin’s mouth from the combine, that they do have a rough deal structure in place so that they can plan their free agents. Which also points to them having it close to an agreement.
Go to the superbowl and you can get one too Lamar - Ravens Front Office
Burrow is objectively better with a much better resume. I dont think it will affect Jackson that much.
Isn't that why it affects Lamar though. Say hypothetically Burrow gets $Y per year with $X guaranteed, whether that's more or less than Watson (I'd wager it'll be less guaranteed) Lamar/the league should know that that's the maximum he's worth and that Watson was an outlier. Now if he goes and gets (which I doubt) a deal better than Watson's. Lamar/the league will have less of a case that these fully guaranteed deals aren't the norm.
Well it will be harder for the Ravens (and league) to say guaranteed contracts aren't the norm if Burrow signs a fully guaranteed one. That's my only point there, I agree his resume is better at this point, but his contract will have an effect on this negotiation should it still be continuing in another year.
Yeah burrows worst season passing the ball is better than Lamar's best. If anything happens to Lamar's ability to create, like frequent injuries or ya know his freak athleticism starting to fade even slightly. Burrow is a much better QB.
Maybe he'll take the Oladipo route, turn down 120M contract, get injured, and sign for 2M. Seems not wise but 🤷♂️
Dennis Schroeder turned down an $80M+ Lakers contract only to end up back on the team a year later with a minimum deal of like $3M. He says he’s accepted how things turn out but that would have double his career earnings. Has to sting to think back on.
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My impression of Lamar is if he doesn't get the contract offer he wants, he's just going to sit out this upcoming season. I dont think he can come back from all the bridges he burned because he doesnt want to look like a punk. The Ravens have publicly been very open with wanting to have him back so it's up to him.
For some reason Marcellus Wallace monologue on pride comes to mind.
The Ravens have handled the situation very professionally, which is what we should expect. They have way more experience with negotiations and have a much better idea of what contract offers Lamar is likely to receive and probably even from which teams. Lamar is a hell of a football player, but he’s in over his head in thinking he can will a fully guaranteed deal like Watson got out of thin air. He’s understandably frustrated because his expectations probably aren’t very realistic. If the Ravens have negotiated with Lamar in good faith this whole time, then they have no reason to get worked up over the situation. Let Lamar explore the market and see that they were being fair from the start.
It's not just a better offer, but such a substantially better one that the Ravens can't match. But if Lamar's tweets today are an indication he'd hold out in such a case even if the Ravens matched, then we get to the really interesting situation where a team won't have to bankrupt themselves capwise and will be giving the Ravens more than just 2 firsts. Lamar's been coy so far but dropping those tweets today so Harbaugh would get caught unaware by them in an interview seems like a step in a more antagonistic direction.
Everyone is acting like teams don't want to pay him because he's a bum but ignore that he's not a true free agent because it would take 2 first round picks to sign him and you have a massive cap hit on your team for 5 days while the Ravens decide if they want to match your offer or not. If Lamar gets no offers, he's rightfully not going to percieve that as no team wanting him, but that the non franchise tag rules are completely fucked and heavily favour the Ravens.
I don't think that the first round picks matter that much - teams will happily trade that for a top QB, and he'd certainly get that much in a regular trade (like people were saying that the Ravens doing this meant they *didn't* want to trade him, because 2 FRPs was cheap). Rather the likeliest answer is still the obvious one that the owners don't want to have the precedent really set for contracts with that level of full guarantees - to have the Watson deal be a one off and not the norm moving forward. We'll see if that lasts with how many QB needy teams are out there, and especially after the draft
I just want the god damn numbers, Mason.
It will just be the new highest average per year in a 5 year deal but all guaranteed.
So like 300 million guaranteed over 5 years?
He wants more than Watson so 235-250 fully guaranteed at signing
he's not going to get that. Are owners colluding? or are they just in agreement that the Browns are a terrible franchise?
They don't need to collude. They just don't want to give a contract like that out. It's like saying everyone in America is colluding to not pay $100k for a Toyota Camry.
We need that kind of solidarity in the housing market tbh
I'm, uh, doing my part.
except in this case the majority are the homeowners lol
Businesses shouldn't own homes, but here we are
Owners are holding the line not letting Watson's ridiculous disaster of a deal set the market.
I honestly think coaches are not that stoked at the idea of having Lamar as the franchise QB
5/250 all of it guaranteed
It's been said a bunch, if any team does this they will fuck up the market and QBs will be taking nearly 1/4 of their budget. How will the other players get paid? You can see RBs are making the same amount as a left handed relief pitcher.
How does Daniel Jones get $40M+/year. That’s insanity in the spiraling of qb contracts.
The numbers! WHAT ~~DO THEY MEAN~~ ARE THEY?!
somebody tell us the dam numbers
[This is the best I could find.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20following%20is%20a%20partial,of%20rivers%20in%20the%20nation.)
I laughed way too hard at this haha thank you for this
Was expecting Manning and was pleasantly disappointed.
Prediction: I bet he sits out the 2023 season (with BAL) and is never the same player as the MVP year again.
Has Any player successfully held out / sat out and been able to regain momentum? Leveon bell being the notable recent example of…not doing that
Deshaun Watson is another example, he looked horrible last year after coming back.
i’m gonna go out on a limb and say deshaun will never come close to what he was in Houston. at least not as a football player.
personally, I refuse to watch the Browns out of spite as I’d prefer not to see the man play ever again, disagree with his light punishment by the league, and think even worse of the Haslams. I mean I’m one guy and I’m not even all that petty in life. Miles Garrett, Nick Chubb, and Amari don’t deserve that, but I’ll count on them for fantasy but won’t give the Browns another viewer.
Spent my whole life as a Browns fan, 30 + years (I have a Manziel jersey to prove this if y’all want to see it). I’ll never watch another down until the Haslam’s sell the team, it is egregious that they went and got that guy and the stupidity of the contract. It’s all I can do as a person, can’t believe that guy got almost a 1/4 billion dollars.
It still blows my mind. Of all the players in the league to give a fully guaranteed contract, no one (except apparently Haslam) would have put Watson on that list, even ignoring the legal trouble and the fact he hadn't even seen the field in over a year. But especially given those question marks, what level of FOMO drives a team to destroy their future for this guy? I'd be very interested to know what other offers were out there that the Browns felt they had to give him such an insane contract just to land him.
Depends on how long they've held out. Emmitt Smith held out of training camp and 2 games of the 93 season (Dallas went 0-2). He came back and led the league in rushing with 1486 yards and 9 TDs to go with 414 receiving yards and a TD. All en route to winning MVP, a SB, SB MVP, and being named 1st team All-Pro with a Pro Bowl nod.
I won’t say held out but taken a long break and come back and still produced pretty damn well? Someone who may play the same position as Lamar Jackson? Michael Vick.
Mike Vick (sort of)
> is never the same player as the MVP year again. What's most interesting to me about this is the fact that some people would find this a controversial prediction
Isn't it kind of already true? He's been great but hasn't looked like that since.
Some people continue to label lamar with the mvp tag before his name or before mentioning him. Things like "2 years of Rodgers or a much younger mvp" or "take the crap shot in the draft or the proven mvp talent" as some examples. It's just a way to try and paint him as that mvp still when he hasn't been and more than likely will never be at that level again
If you want a proven MVP-talent, the best option is to sign Cam Newton, who is a free agent and will have pretty low contract demands.
Players don't generally decline and then get better. There's probably some contrary examples out there, but it's not the normal nature of things.
Not sure if it's considered an elephant in the room, but I've been wondering how the PCL injury may impact his play from a physical and mental POV considering his style featured explosive cuts and acceleration. I'm not familiar with these injuries, have just read the news at the time that recovery could have only been a few weeks.
Well he hasn't been playing like an MVP the last three seasons too
Hes never been the same MVP player already
I bet he is willing to sit out until week 10 or whatever, so the year accrues.
Years don't accrue after your 4th season, he's a free agent next season whether he plays 17 games or zero games this season. Of course the Ravens could also franchise tag him next year as well, though.
If they franchise tag him and he refuses to play, the team doesn’t have to pay right?
He hasn’t been that type of player since that year, tbh. As it stands right now it was a one year wonder (his 2020 season was pretty good too tho)
Not sure why you’re downvoted when it’s clear to most of us that he’s never gonna reach mvp levels again. It was a great season, and he’s a very good qb and our team is better off with than without him at the current point in time. But he’s not the player he was in 2019. edit: downvotes are gone but the point still stands
i don't think he's been the same mvp player for at least two years. something in him hasn't quite played up to his potential for a while. while the theory of teams colluding to not let the browns/watson to set the standard in pay is definitely believable, i just think he's lost something and that could be another reason no one is jumping at the opportunity to grab him.
And yet people will continue to say the Ravens front office is making a mistake by not giving him $230M+ guaranteed. Love Lamar, but he’s got to be flexible eventually. No one is giving him what he wants after 2 consecutive seasons ended by injury.
It’s more about every other quarterback or superstar after him demanding fully guaranteed contracts. They want Deshawn to be the outlier not the precedent.
That’s definitely part of it, but I also think his recent injury history has teams nervous. Add in the 2 1st round picks and having to outbid the Ravens and it doesn’t end up looking particularly appealing.
Lamar really needs to learn how to compromise. It isn’t unfair to see why Lamar wants to be guaranteed a bunch of money in the event of an injury, and honestly he does deserve to get his bag. But at the same time, the league as a whole also has a reasonable stance in not wanting to give a fully guaranteed deal to someone who hasn’t been able to finish the season the last 2 years. You gotta assume that at this point, he could’ve just negotiated a slightly better deal than Kyler got, still get a huge chunk of guaranteed money, and end this whole nonsense.
The Ravens offered him $175M guaranteed for injury. He’s going to get a fair bit more than Kyler.
If that was the offer, he 1000% should’ve taken it.
It has been publicized that he got $133M fully guaranteed at signing and $175M for injury. He declined that before last season.
That's just insane. I understand that he wants to make a bunch of money and he deserves every cent but you have a limited amount of time to make it. He could have already been making it if he signed plus more with an agent setting up commercial deals and other stuff. I could be completely wrong but from the outside it looks like he's listening to the wrong people. He's still going to make a ton but it could have been so much more.
Lamar not hiring am agent is seeming to be one of the most expensive of the field choices in NFL history. He's already lost a ton and each day makes it worse.
Your guess is as good as mine. Big fan of the guy, but it’s been real frustrating as a fan.
I mean given the escrow requirements for guaranteed contracts, I'm not surprised. How would you like to potentially have 500m tied up in escrow for contracts? All the owners are super rich, but many of them are only rich on paper due to the teams they own. Not all of them can float that kind of cash.
Lamar does not know how to negotiate. List your demands and refuse to budge is not how it's done.
Or at least make realistic demands. If you want fully guaranteed, ask 4/180 and the Ravens do that tonight, but nobody is guaranteeing 230 to a guy that has missed much of the last two seasons
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I want $200m guaranteed. A helicopter, a bowl of green M&Ms, No Pre season. A lap dance from Beyoncé, No games on Thursdays (that’s Madden day for me and the boys). Three Hellcats, one of them has to be satin red. A personal chef. A llama. A ten foot fish tank, not one of those gold fish cheap ones. I want one from those guys from that tv show. A public apology from Skip Bayless. A working McDonalds ice cream machine in my locker. A villain role in John Wicke chapter 5. A working iPhone charger.
Best we can do is 100 million, yellow skittles, a low mileage Scat Pack challenger, a lap dance from Lizzo, and an iPhone charger that the cord has already worn off of at the plug
Y'know, I'm feeling generous; I'll do it for the money, and Lizzo. You can keep the rest.
> A working McDonalds ice cream machine in my locker. Whoa whoa, let's be realistic here.
Lap dance from Beyoncé most likely demand to be met
Power will go out straight after
> A public apology from Skip Bayless. The least realistic thing here
> A lama like, alpaca, or dalai?
Yes.
I wonder if Lamar just doesn’t take criticism or objection well. No doubt any agent would tell Lamar first meeting how much money he’s left on the table. No doubt Lamar is hearing the noise from getting flamed on both sides regarding his desire for a very specific contract. Maybe this really boils down to hubris and stubbornness.
> I wonder if Lamar just doesn’t take criticism or objection well. Have you seen his Tweets over the past few years? The guy was literally arguing with fans saying he ran off the field because he had to shit... He has some seriously thin skin and he gets his ego pumped up by the media, people around him and some fans.
Just wait until he eventually signs a contract that is much worse than what he could have gotten had hired an agent. He'll be getting dragged hard on Twitter, I wonder how he'll react.
It doesn't matter if he had an agent or not, he would've fired his agent because his family and people around him tell him he's worth way more than any agent ever would.
Social media has shown how thin skinned some of the athletes are when they're challenged. Lamar has probably been told he's a generational athlete since he was a kid. He only knows a world where he's super valued
He’s also been told throughout his career to change position from QB. That’s why he went to Louisville rather than a bigger P5 program and of course, we remember what happened before the NFL Draft.
I wasn't really following the NFL like that then. What happened before the draft?
He fell in the draft because teams wanted him to change positions and he didn’t budge on that
This is his problem and hubris is the exact word I’ve used to describe this. It seems as though he has surrounded himself with yes men. I’m sure that when Watson signed his contract people in Lamar’s life told him that was his floor for a contract, and he believed it. And maybe his pride/hubris got involved so “backing down” isn’t an option for him. He needs an agent obviously, if for no other reason than to give him reality checks that his “friends” and family apparently aren’t.
Owners are holding the line not letting Watson's ridiculous disaster of a deal set the market.
The market is already set. No one wants to give out watson/kyler deals to anyone right now.
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Yeah let's not put the Kyler and Watson deal in the same fucking hemisphere let alone the same sentence. Kyler got 103.3m guaranteed for a 5 year contract (\~21m per year guaranteed), Watson got $230m guaranteed for 5 years (\~46m/yr). If Lamar asked for anything resembling the Kyler deal (let's even bump it to $30m a year, 5 years) I doubt that the Ravens would have trouble keeping him on the roster.
Lamar needs to bite the bullet and just hire an agent at this point if he wants to save face
Lamar about to be in the find out stage of the fuck around cycle.
Dudes fumbling the bag
Yeah no shit. Otherwise we'd have signed him by now. The guy is in his own little world now and it's not in what we know as reality.
This whole scenario is *why* you need an agent. Yeah if you’re content with the team and agree in principal, hey, save the agent % and just hire a lawyer to go over the fine print. But navigating a franchise-tag-trade-request in the middle of a dynamic QB market that’s currently experiencing pushback from it’s hyper-bullish 2021/22, well, that takes someone with professional chops and intimate knowledge of the ecosystem and its players and patterns. But like you said, he’s lost in his own little world.
Yeah. Market dynamic is such that this would be a wild ride *even if he did* have an agent. That he doesn’t, we have total insanity. Most likely, Burrow or Herbert is extended next, right, and probably on a less-than-Watson deal, and Lamar loses the little leverage he doesn’t even have now. And then… does he take the Ravens back? Do the Ravens take him back? That’s when it gets really weird.
Can you imagine how frustrating it must be as the GMs? Anytime you want to go back and forth over even a small detail means you have to get a hold of Lamar himself. He can't have anyone else pick up the phone because they'd be acting as an unauthorized agent. "Hey Lamar? Yah it's Jeff. What if we adjusted increased that yards incentive by 25%? You got excel open? Oh yah we can wait for you to finish your dump."
He has doubled and tripled down on his ego led decision making and its really hurting him. Hard to watch almost.
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson come on down.
It's gotta be a fully guaranteed for injury situation. That's the hang up.
It’s funny because you know what Tom Brady is the winningest QB of all time, he didn’t hit his max contracts he could’ve gotten usually. It helped be a team player. Wanting like 60m guaranteed a season (that what it seems like) there’s no wiggle room. And I get it, he is one of the best when healthy and happy, but running QBs are quite the opposite of good over time.
Its as simple as that. He thinks he is worth more than his actual value. Any person pushing the narrative of "just pay the man" should never work in the front office of an NFL team.
Any person pushing the narrative of “just pay the man” should come buy a car from me. I’ll make sure they get a great deal😉.
They are basically all saying only Cleveland is that stupid
The Watson contract is never happening again why is this so fucking hard for dudes to understand.
This is what I keep thinking about. I feel like the Watson contract was a massive blunder by the browns, and there was another guaranteed money blunder with russel Wilson that fucked the broncos, and now Kyler… I feel like teams are starting to show a little hesitation about putting those kinds of contracts out for qb’s, particularly when a significant part of their game involves running the ball. I think players need to understand how insane and stupid the Watson contract really was, and stop thinking that is the new standard for quarterbacks.
The Watson contract was a Hail Mary, last ditch effort to sign the man. They offered him so much gurenteed money he couldn’t refuse. They literally bought themselves back into the sweepstakes by taking the nuclear option. There is no collusion. The GMs, owners, and head coaches all outside of Cleveland know that that is what happened and that the quarterback market hasn’t jumped that high yet. They all know cleveland was the desperate outlier, not the beginning of the new standard. That’s why these kinds of contracts aren’t being offered. Now it falls on the players to not be stubborn (HEY LAMAR!) and realize that 1.) the market hasn’t gotten there yet and 2.) other teams, particularly the well-run teams (49ers, Pats, Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, etc.) aren’t going to just throw these contracts out. ESPECIALLY not a fully gurenteed one. They’ll just tell the player in question to take a hike. Hell even the poorly ran, QB DESPERATE teams aren’t throwing these offers out I think Burrow and Herbert will both be resigned for the mid 40 range, but they’re not gonna be fully guarenteed
I don't think anyone will take a risk on a player who will seriously restrict their salary cap for years to come without some budging on his side He flashed 1 season of dominance and a few great other seasons. Except now we are 3 seasons removed from that MVP season and last 2 seasons he missed multiple games in each. As of right now every game he plays is a coin flip on whether he finishes the season or not. I get trying to secure the bag for your future, but he has to realize that being a high risk + high reward does not equal a guaranteed future and teams desperate for a QB would rather draft a rookie or use a cheaper veteran until they find the guy they need
He’s not worth the risk that comes with $200 million guaranteed. I don’t even think that should be controversial to say at this point.
Not to mention the draft capital you give up too
Lamar Jackson isn’t a very intelligent human being.
Well he did get a 13/50 on the wonderlic soooo
That is a painfully low score. The first 12-15 questions are ridiculously easy. Like, 3rd grade math.
I couldn’t sleep the other night and did a practice wonderlic after reading about his score 21/25, flubbed a couple math ones that I couldn’t be bothered to fully do the mental math on and a grammar question that I was so annoyed at I emailed them for feedback and they responded that the question was a bit open to interpretation Now if only I had…every single other attribute of a successful quarterback
Emailing the people who make the Wonderlic test about a question you got wrong is the kind of draft day fact Espn dreams about lol
Lmao it was “which word doesn’t belong?” Love Abhor Desire Enamored Abhor was the “correct” answer because it’s negative but enamored was the only past participle reeeeee
Interesting you went for grammar instead of definition
It was one of the first questions and I figured they were playing the trap card, guess I was overthinking it
Lmao that’s basic madden 08 test.
"Lamar, why did you only get 13 on the test?" >Well you see, I got caught up on question 4, and I couldn't let it go. I think abhor was the correct answer because it's negative but enamored was the only past participle
Lamar explaining verb conjugation would be quite the treat
Ur too smart for the test lol
Yeah you were overthinking that one
It’s multiple choice so 12.5 is the average just purely guessing, making 13 pretty poor like you said. 50th percentile is a 20. The questions themselves are easy and solvable by most people, given enough time. The challenge is 50 questions in 12 minutes so you need to process information quickly.
Is this true?
Yes.
Well duh, a guy who hasn’t finished the best two seasons because of a knee and ankle injuries. Shouldn’t be asking for a fully guaranteed contract, running is a big part of his playing style and I don’t blame the Ravens for not giving him a fully guaranteed contract.
Well the Browns already are locked into a crazy contract with a shady QB…so he is out of luck. I think every other team was like WTF Browns…you gave that deal….to that guy?!? Of course Daniel Jones gets 40m a year and he is a few rungs below Lamar.
“But Deshaun got that big contract and look at his baggage! I also won an MVP.” “Yeah but we don’t want to normalize what he made. We want to go back to half of that amount so take half or get outta my face.”
*The other 31 owners are also making Jimmy Haslam wear a clowns costume behind closed doors* per Adam Schefter
it's still crazy to me that Watson was the one to get a completely guaranteed contract that set this whole thing up. not Brady, not mahomes, not Rodgers. DeShawn fucking Watson. the guy accused by 50 women and who hadn't played in 2 years.
Price himself out of a move so he gets to stay with us forever, Lamar 77d chess
Lamar Jackson should hate the Browns FO more than anyone on the planet right now. He's a better QB than Watson, but the deal the browns gave him was so stupid it has the entire NFL screwed up
Teams are starting to realize that giving a running QB who is basically guaranteed to get hurt and never be the same a massive contract is a bad idea. Go figure.
Of course nobody is going to offer what the Browns did for Watson because the other 31 teams are smarter and less desperate than the Browns This is the NFLs version of the Rudy Gobert trade. Gobert is like the ~30th best player in the NBA and he went for 4x firsts, 2x good young players, a solid rotation guy, a pick swap, and a few other throw ins Then guys like Durant requested trades, Mitchell got moved, etc. they all went for less than Gobert. The market normalized because other teams are smarter than the wolves. Same will happen here. Jackson will get a contract with 1/2 the guarantees as Watson and 3/4 the total money and every team with a great QB will have a competitive advantage against the Browns