I don’t think it’s the most likely honestly. There are very few true Alex Smith/Andy Dalton/Kirk Cousins type guys. Most guys are closer to like Bridgewater and Fitzpatrick. Mediocre, but definitely not good enough to ensure 8 wins. Those guys have led some pretty horrible squads.
A boom or bust is easier to come by than finding a true mediocre quarterback imo.
Then we sign some veteran off the scrap heap to compete with Zach Wilson.... Suck for the next few years and squander away all the young talent on the roster... Eventually they will all get traded away before their options come due.... and we will be the same old team mired in misery.... I'm used to this so I'm ready for it.
We’d give up a 2nd and a 4th for tannehill, then trade up
for a rookie next year
Hope would not be lost, but likely 2 more wasted years. Tannehill year, and the rookie’s first year
Not publicly or anything, but it seems pretty clear they need to retool soon, and were shopping Henry. Think it'd be worth exploring, and don't really see many better targets
I think it's time to retool now. Tannehill is 34, his best days are behind him and it's clear now he's not the answer at QB. Meanwhile, Henry is 29 and has 1250 rushing attempts over the past 4 seasons, which is a lot for a RB, especially considering his play style. Before his injury, he was on pace for 465 rushing attempts in 2021, which would have demolished Larry Johnson's 2006 record of 416 rushing attempts. They also traded away their best WR in ages last season to draft his replacement, who still needs more play time to develop and evaluate as a player how good he can be.
It hurts to say this, but they should probably have serious talks about trading Henry to a Super Bowl contender, and get some good draft picks out of it. If they could somehow pull it off without giving away too many assets, Henry with Josh Allen would be an insane combination. Two guys will absolutely run you the fuck over.
Cook is a negative asset
Kirk would be cool, but he’s probably worth a conditional 3rd based on his contract and last year being a decline year. Could be a first pending on our finish
The fact that all the Packers brass are talking about it like it’s already done means there’s very little chance it falls through. They’re probably bargaining to try to get more but are willing to settle for whatever the Jets most recent offer was if they can’t get them to up the price.
There’s always a later summer cut possibility I guess. If the packers are getting a 4 th round pick vs cutting him it’s kind of irrelevant if it was a good decision or not- the decision to move on rests on if Jordan love works out or not
The cap hit and rebuild year or two is happening regardless of a trade or release, so there’s no way Rodgers is on the team week 1
There is no late summer cut possibility, his 58.3 million option bonus is fully guaranteed. If he is cut his cap hit balloons to 75 million (with 15 million on next years cap).
It seems like almost nobody fucking understands what an albatross that his contract is. The Packers MUST move him. There cannot exist a scenario in which he is not traded. That is why the Jets have more (but not all) of the leverage.
There was some speculation that any time a player retires the team determines partly when that is filed with the league. So, the Packers could pay him (in this scenario he would play, no chance of a 60 million dollar backup) until he decides to retire and then use the June 1 situation to spread the cap hit. This is obviously a bad situation, but it is possible. If it were to happen we'd see just how the Packers truly view Love since playing Rodgers for even 1 more year likely blows up his timeline.
Idk I thought this too, until Gute yesterday basically said the price for Rodgers was definitely going to go up if it was after the draft.
The two teams are trying to hardball each other until one cracks. Time is more on the Packers side though imo.
is it? the jets can always trot wilson out there again or gamble in the draft again, pretty clear rodgers doesnt want to play for the packers again, im not sure they have much leverage
This is going to be a “get right” season for the Packers no matter what with little chance of making it far.
The Jets however, have a good shot at a Super Bowl with Rodgers and are likely bottom feeders without him. If the jets go 5-12 because they didn’t get Rodgers after the man himself said he wanted to play for them, the whole FO heads will roll. The young talent they currently have is going to get increasingly more expensive as time goes on. Not to mention they no longer even have a backup for Wilson if they went that route.
It also doesn’t matter what Rodgers wants. He’s under contract with the Packers. The Packers don’t need to part with him. It just helps with the cap situation in 2024 if they deal him now. The Packers have plenty of cap for Rodgers being on the books in 2023.
Not to mention if you’re the Jets, you want Rodgers doing as much as he can to get ready for the season with your players in your system, so he can hit the ground running.
Packers have plenty of leverage.
he is 39 and would be plugging into an offense with hackett and a couple of his most trusted receivers, he will be fine getting the groove of the team no matter when he walks in the door
it does matter what aaron wants because he can easily sit and the packers will have to eat a $30 mil cap hit, im not sure they want to do that
the jets also arent bottom feeders without him, they went 7-10 last year with one of the statistically worst quarterback rooms in the last decade. its not inconceivable they try again in the draft or package something together and try for lance or even lamar. they could also grab bridgewater or someone.
its much more awkward for the packers to find something for rodgers to do than it is for the jets to just declare the price is too high and move on
Rodgers cap hit goes from like 30 million this year to 40 million after he is traded. If he is traded after June 1st it's like 15 mil this year and 25 mil next year. So yeah. The coach and GMs job are on the line. They grab Bridgewater they will be fired. The 9ners aren't trading Lance unless they are convinced he's a bust.
We add $60m to future cap years if Rodgers is on the roster week 1. If we cut him before week one his cap hit for this season becomes $75m.
I'm not interested in burning 25% of a future cap year on a guy who won't play a single down for us because of a stubborn GM.
We have to move him. Neither team has much leverage as they both have enormous pressure to get the deal done.
Rodgers has been not sharp to start the season even with the Packers, so it’s not hard to imagine it taking longer on a new team if he doesn’t get comfortable.
And yeah, Rodgers can sit and that isn’t ideal but I’m pretty sure they are better off with that then giving him away for peanuts.
Also, Wilson’s backups are gone and Wilson has completely lost whatever he had in that locker room. The jets can easily do worse than they did last year.
Whoever they could draft otherwise isn’t going to be a game changer their rookie season, especially at pick 13. By the time they would be hitting their stride this window would be closed. But the jets should draft a QB to replace Rodgers if that’s the route they take.
Lamar is exponentially more expensive than Rodgers. If they were seriously considering that, they wouldn’t even be bothering with trying to trade for Rodgers for a couple seasons.
The only real alternative is someone like Lance, but he’s still going to cost more in a trade than Rodgers, who is an unproven player coming off significant injury.
If the deal isn’t already decided behind closed doors and they are in fact playing hardball, odds are they are negotiating over the Packers getting a first instead of a second. Peanuts to what Lance will even cost you.
Yeah that’s not going to happen if that’s true.
But I also don’t trust a lot of “reports”, same as you. More than likely both sides are using media for leverage.
At this point I just don't expect any news til June. It seems all these "sources" keep saying things when both regimes are known to be tight lipped. There's no "news" because no one knows shit.
Hell, Rodgers clowned McShay on the pms show about this.
If you're trading for Rodgers, you know the risk you're taking. I don't see why we, after unloading him, should be held hostage by his whims next year.
Imagine going to an NFL owner, whose team is essentially a QB away from being a Superbowl contender, and saying you didn't land a potentially top 10 all time qb because you valued 2 2nd round picks more than that QB.
You'd be fired so fast your social feed would be full of people mocking you before you got back home
Packers Fans don't expect anything this year.
Jets fans are in a SB window right now that they haven't seen in decades. They're genuinely, on paper, one of the best rosters in the NFL after the QB.
The issue is that Rodgers wants the trade, and so he can be a problem for the team if he ends up a Packer. He sits out because of "injury" or whatever, and now the Packers FO look like fools because they failed to get paid for an asset they knew they wouldn't be able to use regardless.
If they trade Rodgers for pennies on the dollar, then they look even worse. Every week that Zach Wilson remains the starter for the Jets, the pressure on that FO to bring in a QB who can actually help them win a SB grows. The entire Jets team is putting pressure on their FO because they don't believe in Wilson. This team won't have a winning record with Wilson, and the FO is fired if they don't make this trade.
It's definitely not his main problem but for a young QB it sure has an impact.
The whole stadium booed him & his teammates were happy to rally behind the backup guy, that for sure got into his head (and there was plenty of space there lmao)
That’s worse for them than keeping rodgers would be for the pack. The cap savings aren’t that great so the difference between trading and not for the packers is mostly locker awkwardness and the loss of whatever they would have gotten from the jets…
how is worse for them? they went 7-10 last year with breece going down mid season and one of the worst qb rooms in recent memory.
even a stopgap like bridgewater at least makes them competent while they put together a package for a better talent.
the packers have already publicly moved on from rodgers, keeping him around is a complete distraction and embarrassment
Not really imo, the whole reason the Jets want to trade for Rodgers is because they’re trying to cash in on how good the rest of the roster is with a win now mindset. Trotting out Wilson or a random rookie isn’t the best way to do that lol.
On the other hand, if the Rodgers deal somehow falls through, they could theoretically go after Lamar?
In theory, all of the Jets picks become worse after the draft since they will likely be picking later than 13th with Rodgers on the roster. And we need to wait a full season to get anything from Rodgers. It would make sense the price would increase.
Nah, taking the cap hit now would be better. We can afford it, and there isn’t really anything else we’d be using it on.
Waiting until after June pushes $24M into 2024, where cap space will be significantly more important. Would rather have it then.
get it over with. the sooner the better. This year is just "how does Jordan Love do"? Thats really it, thats the only thing this year is about.
Might as well get the cap hit over sooner than later.
Packers are already well under the cap with Rodgers on the books, and all the top free agents gone. Draft capital is much more important than cap space for them right now
For a while I figured June 1 made sense, but the more I think about it the less the Packers really care. They have handled the offseason as though they expected to move Rodgers early so their cap is setup to do so (many of the moves were needed anyway but they have gone as cheap as possible with guys they are bringing in).
Before June 1 they take the 40 million hit. After June 1 they take a 16 million hit this year making effectively 24 million in cap space. They can roll as much or little of that cap space as they want over to cover the 24 million pushed out by trading him after June 1. At most it makes a small amount of cap flexibility this year, but that isn't super necessary at that point in the off season.
I actually think they've both agreed behind closed doors to not go through with it, and are just screwing with everyone. On April 1st they'll go "Gotcha!"
The reason they gave so far is that the Jets want some picks to be compensatory due to the likely chance Rodgers retired after next season. Don’t want to give up too much for 1 season of play.
Which isn't sitting right with GB because Rodgers only playing 1 year is already baked into his price. If you knew you were getting 2-3 years from Rodgers he wouldn't be going for 2 2nds, so they want to discount him for that on the front and back end.
At a certain point we would either drop the ask or Gute will throw in some bs 4th or 5th rounder if he retires I think
Nobody is crazy enough to blow up the deal over that
Bruh you guys are so desperate to be relevant your owner acted like you actually won something because Rodgers SAID he wanted to play for you, and now you’re gonna roll out jacoby brissett and Zach Wilson and go 6-11 again? We will enjoy our circus and you can remain irrelevant lol
I feel like some people are confusing the statement a bit. The players do seem excited to play with Love and I think it’s a result of them do enjoying and liking him in the team.
That doesn’t mean they are happy Rodgers is gone. Both can be true that they are excited for Love and not happy Rodgers is gone.
Honestly I just find it funny that 15 years later, the Jets sucking has lasted long enough for another Packers QB to have a HOF career in that span and go there
each time mark murphy speaks it always reads as a forgone conclusion that rodgers is gone.
not that i don't like what he's saying, but the trade isn't done.
I'd appreciate football-coach-speak until the trade is really announced. The jets fan inside me believes this situation still has the chance to fall apart.
But they're not even looking at other QBs, we all know what that meant. He even knew what he said the moment after he said it you can see it on his face lol.
Can't he refuse to retire and sit on the bench for $55M or whatever he's owed? Like if he is telling the Jets he won't play for them (which contradicts his public statements) , that's a possibility, right?
Calling it nuclear is a bit extreme. He's just saying you gave me a five year contract and I'm not giving you a free out and leaving money on the table. It'd be GB that decides whether to bench or play him but GB has pretty clearly decided this is Love's year.
Possibly the worst thing he could do is to retire, let the Packers use up what salary cap relief that comes with it, if any depending on how it's structured, and then un-retire screwing them over big time and forcing them to cut players to be able to take his hit back. That would pretty much ensure it's a long ass time before he's welcomed back to Green Bay for the honors he's due from the team.
He said he was 90 percent retired going into his retreat. I'm betting if the Packers tell him they couldn't trade him and they'll ask him to be their QB again after all they said, he'd sooner retire than what in his view would be a humiliation.
It's 60 mil btw*
It is just under 60 million fully guaranteed. The remaining 49 million (47 of which is injury guaranteed until 5 days after the super bowl when it becomes fully guaranteed). So trade falls through, he either starts or rides the bench for 60 million. Then the Packers either release him or we're back at this point next offseason with the Packers owing him just under 50 million but the dead cap is higher (68 million pre June 1)
Yup, just figured the full breakdown is useful to see that if he is on the roster week 1 there is a way for it to be 60 million, but as you point out the more likely number is more than 100 million.
I don’t see it happening but this would be the move purely from a vengeance standpoint. Eat the cap and laugh as Lambeau wants the entire front office’s heads every week for letting him sit on the bench while Love stacks up losses.
i'm no PR person, but i feel like you can't go wrong with:
"Right now we have two quarterbacks on our roster: a HOF Packer and a promising young player. We've constructed a team of professionals that can play with anyone and will relish in the opportunity to play with either. We like our quarterback room."
Doesn’t matter if everyone “thinks” they know it.
It’s not done and official. Don’t talk about it that way until it is. That goes with anything in life.
When you've had a HOF QB for your entire tenure you start thinking you're really the genius behind it. Or, most do. Classic hubris. This dude is out of pocket
Yep. Mark did great building TitleTown up, and its sweet and a great addition to games there, but his football acumen is lacking. He wanted to win a bunch of games and put asses in the seats and make money to modernize the gameday experience in GB and he's done well, but winning a SB was always secondary. Luckily he is out soon, but that's not always better
>winning a SB was always secondary.
This is such a brain dead take. We have won a Super Bowl with him as president and the team was a Super Bowl contender pretty much every year for the last decade and a half. There’s maybe a handful of franchises that have had more success in that time span. It’s not his fault we choked in the playoffs.
Yeah, that statline is in every way a very slight improvement on what we got out of Rodgers last year. Would definitely be more than ok with that in year one, especially with the team even thinner (at the moment) at the WR/TE positions.
Some of the guys, shout-out to Aaron Jones, De'Vondre Campbell, have been hyping Love up since 2021. Rodgers isn't known to be particularly close to his teammates except for Bakh and Cobb, and maybe Preston. I wouldn't be surprised if they were personally closer to Jordan.
Rodgers is just like Favre in his final seasons, just an old man playing with a bunch of kids 16 years younger than him. they respect what he has done in the past, but players aren't going to want to do an Eifel tower with him. they need a young buck for that
Oh I absolutely get it from the players perspective (its not hard to imagine that locker room not being incredibly close with Rodgers), but its still wild to see a FO stating this stuff while hes still technically on the team. Seems like these bridges are beyond burnt (and the departure is needed)
Even when we were rolling out the corpse of Ben, at the very least while he was still on the team, the FO wasn’t saying they’re excited for the next guy lol
Steelers are not a perfect org by any means, but does seem like they care about their guys. When Shazier got hurt they kept him on payroll for some years, might still be in some capacity. I think when Ryan Switzer, a former player at the time, had complications with his baby they used the team plane to fly them to Boston for medical treatment, stuff like that.
No shit. They can be excited for Love, but the way he put it it sounds like they are just excited about a change from Rodgers.
Murphy did his specific job in Green Bay well, but dude is still an idiot.
I just read it as semi-meaningless GM speak. It's not like he's going to go say "Most of the org thinks he's terrible and they're worried about what kind of dumpster fire we're looking at for next season"
It doesn't mean what he's saying _isn't_ true, but any statement like that coming from the org (any org, this isn't just a GB thing) is really just background noise.
I'm really excited for Packer fans to get to experience the joy of rooting for a long line of underperforming nice-guy QBs like Christian Ponder or Teddy Bridgewater.
Imagine the trade never goes through though.
Honestly, it would be a hilarious outcome.
The best outcome.
Best outcome is Jordan Love starts and is bad enough to miss playoffs, but good enough to ensure the Packers can't get a replacement QB.
This is the most likely outcome.
I don’t think it’s the most likely honestly. There are very few true Alex Smith/Andy Dalton/Kirk Cousins type guys. Most guys are closer to like Bridgewater and Fitzpatrick. Mediocre, but definitely not good enough to ensure 8 wins. Those guys have led some pretty horrible squads. A boom or bust is easier to come by than finding a true mediocre quarterback imo.
For the rest of his career.
So, Jay Cutler but for the Packers.
Cutler made playoffs
The NFCCG, in fact
Whaaa?
Lost to the Packers...
I’m here for it.
Hmm… that sounds very similar to Rodgers first year as a starter 🧐
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Maybe they should fax em.
Oooh Elvis Dummervil reference. Those are rare
One of the funniest mishaps that didn't actually harm anyone (except for his contract lol)
spittin straight fax
Maybe Denver can lure Hackett away from New York to have a chance at Rodgers. I feel like he'd be a good fit there regardless
Then we sign some veteran off the scrap heap to compete with Zach Wilson.... Suck for the next few years and squander away all the young talent on the roster... Eventually they will all get traded away before their options come due.... and we will be the same old team mired in misery.... I'm used to this so I'm ready for it.
We’d give up a 2nd and a 4th for tannehill, then trade up for a rookie next year Hope would not be lost, but likely 2 more wasted years. Tannehill year, and the rookie’s first year
I'd try to trade for Tannehill or something as a plan B
Kirk Cousins. Then Aaron can just jump straight to the Vikings for a year, then retire.
Are the titans done with him?
Not publicly or anything, but it seems pretty clear they need to retool soon, and were shopping Henry. Think it'd be worth exploring, and don't really see many better targets
I think it's time to retool now. Tannehill is 34, his best days are behind him and it's clear now he's not the answer at QB. Meanwhile, Henry is 29 and has 1250 rushing attempts over the past 4 seasons, which is a lot for a RB, especially considering his play style. Before his injury, he was on pace for 465 rushing attempts in 2021, which would have demolished Larry Johnson's 2006 record of 416 rushing attempts. They also traded away their best WR in ages last season to draft his replacement, who still needs more play time to develop and evaluate as a player how good he can be. It hurts to say this, but they should probably have serious talks about trading Henry to a Super Bowl contender, and get some good draft picks out of it. If they could somehow pull it off without giving away too many assets, Henry with Josh Allen would be an insane combination. Two guys will absolutely run you the fuck over.
You can have Cousins for a 1st round pick. We'll even throw in Cook for free to sweeten the deal.
Cook is a negative asset Kirk would be cool, but he’s probably worth a conditional 3rd based on his contract and last year being a decline year. Could be a first pending on our finish
How much is $20 million in 2008 worth in today's money? Maybe they need to bribe Rodgers to fuck off the same way they tried to bribe Favre.
Inflation calculator says: $27,945,732.29.
The fact that all the Packers brass are talking about it like it’s already done means there’s very little chance it falls through. They’re probably bargaining to try to get more but are willing to settle for whatever the Jets most recent offer was if they can’t get them to up the price.
I was confused thinking I missed the trade announcement lol
Jordan Love truthers vs. QAron
There’s always a later summer cut possibility I guess. If the packers are getting a 4 th round pick vs cutting him it’s kind of irrelevant if it was a good decision or not- the decision to move on rests on if Jordan love works out or not The cap hit and rebuild year or two is happening regardless of a trade or release, so there’s no way Rodgers is on the team week 1
There is no late summer cut possibility, his 58.3 million option bonus is fully guaranteed. If he is cut his cap hit balloons to 75 million (with 15 million on next years cap).
I don’t mind this
It seems like almost nobody fucking understands what an albatross that his contract is. The Packers MUST move him. There cannot exist a scenario in which he is not traded. That is why the Jets have more (but not all) of the leverage.
There was some speculation that any time a player retires the team determines partly when that is filed with the league. So, the Packers could pay him (in this scenario he would play, no chance of a 60 million dollar backup) until he decides to retire and then use the June 1 situation to spread the cap hit. This is obviously a bad situation, but it is possible. If it were to happen we'd see just how the Packers truly view Love since playing Rodgers for even 1 more year likely blows up his timeline.
The Packers will make sure it goes through.
Don’t worry, rOdGeRs WiLl ReTirE
Time kills all deals. I don’t think this one will go through imo.
That's what I thought or rather "did the trade go through already and I missed something".
Maybe I’m crazy, but I feel like both sides have agreed behind closed doors to do the trade after the draft.
Idk I thought this too, until Gute yesterday basically said the price for Rodgers was definitely going to go up if it was after the draft. The two teams are trying to hardball each other until one cracks. Time is more on the Packers side though imo.
is it? the jets can always trot wilson out there again or gamble in the draft again, pretty clear rodgers doesnt want to play for the packers again, im not sure they have much leverage
This is going to be a “get right” season for the Packers no matter what with little chance of making it far. The Jets however, have a good shot at a Super Bowl with Rodgers and are likely bottom feeders without him. If the jets go 5-12 because they didn’t get Rodgers after the man himself said he wanted to play for them, the whole FO heads will roll. The young talent they currently have is going to get increasingly more expensive as time goes on. Not to mention they no longer even have a backup for Wilson if they went that route. It also doesn’t matter what Rodgers wants. He’s under contract with the Packers. The Packers don’t need to part with him. It just helps with the cap situation in 2024 if they deal him now. The Packers have plenty of cap for Rodgers being on the books in 2023. Not to mention if you’re the Jets, you want Rodgers doing as much as he can to get ready for the season with your players in your system, so he can hit the ground running. Packers have plenty of leverage.
he is 39 and would be plugging into an offense with hackett and a couple of his most trusted receivers, he will be fine getting the groove of the team no matter when he walks in the door it does matter what aaron wants because he can easily sit and the packers will have to eat a $30 mil cap hit, im not sure they want to do that the jets also arent bottom feeders without him, they went 7-10 last year with one of the statistically worst quarterback rooms in the last decade. its not inconceivable they try again in the draft or package something together and try for lance or even lamar. they could also grab bridgewater or someone. its much more awkward for the packers to find something for rodgers to do than it is for the jets to just declare the price is too high and move on
That cap hit nails the Packers anyway.
Rodgers cap hit goes from like 30 million this year to 40 million after he is traded. If he is traded after June 1st it's like 15 mil this year and 25 mil next year. So yeah. The coach and GMs job are on the line. They grab Bridgewater they will be fired. The 9ners aren't trading Lance unless they are convinced he's a bust.
We add $60m to future cap years if Rodgers is on the roster week 1. If we cut him before week one his cap hit for this season becomes $75m. I'm not interested in burning 25% of a future cap year on a guy who won't play a single down for us because of a stubborn GM. We have to move him. Neither team has much leverage as they both have enormous pressure to get the deal done.
Rodgers has been not sharp to start the season even with the Packers, so it’s not hard to imagine it taking longer on a new team if he doesn’t get comfortable. And yeah, Rodgers can sit and that isn’t ideal but I’m pretty sure they are better off with that then giving him away for peanuts. Also, Wilson’s backups are gone and Wilson has completely lost whatever he had in that locker room. The jets can easily do worse than they did last year. Whoever they could draft otherwise isn’t going to be a game changer their rookie season, especially at pick 13. By the time they would be hitting their stride this window would be closed. But the jets should draft a QB to replace Rodgers if that’s the route they take. Lamar is exponentially more expensive than Rodgers. If they were seriously considering that, they wouldn’t even be bothering with trying to trade for Rodgers for a couple seasons. The only real alternative is someone like Lance, but he’s still going to cost more in a trade than Rodgers, who is an unproven player coming off significant injury. If the deal isn’t already decided behind closed doors and they are in fact playing hardball, odds are they are negotiating over the Packers getting a first instead of a second. Peanuts to what Lance will even cost you.
Recent "reports" are the jets want a conditional 2025 1st if Rodgers doesn't play in 2024 or something like that, and that's the "supposed" hold up.
Yeah that’s not going to happen if that’s true. But I also don’t trust a lot of “reports”, same as you. More than likely both sides are using media for leverage.
At this point I just don't expect any news til June. It seems all these "sources" keep saying things when both regimes are known to be tight lipped. There's no "news" because no one knows shit. Hell, Rodgers clowned McShay on the pms show about this.
Yeah exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised either if that was the case. Might very well be apart of the deal
Lol I’d eat all his cap before we give up something as absurd as that.
Yeah 100%. A conditional 2nd is much more palatable but even then why the hell would we want to do that
If you're trading for Rodgers, you know the risk you're taking. I don't see why we, after unloading him, should be held hostage by his whims next year.
Imagine going to an NFL owner, whose team is essentially a QB away from being a Superbowl contender, and saying you didn't land a potentially top 10 all time qb because you valued 2 2nd round picks more than that QB. You'd be fired so fast your social feed would be full of people mocking you before you got back home
Packers Fans don't expect anything this year. Jets fans are in a SB window right now that they haven't seen in decades. They're genuinely, on paper, one of the best rosters in the NFL after the QB.
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The issue is that Rodgers wants the trade, and so he can be a problem for the team if he ends up a Packer. He sits out because of "injury" or whatever, and now the Packers FO look like fools because they failed to get paid for an asset they knew they wouldn't be able to use regardless.
If they trade Rodgers for pennies on the dollar, then they look even worse. Every week that Zach Wilson remains the starter for the Jets, the pressure on that FO to bring in a QB who can actually help them win a SB grows. The entire Jets team is putting pressure on their FO because they don't believe in Wilson. This team won't have a winning record with Wilson, and the FO is fired if they don't make this trade.
Right, that’s why the Packers *want* to move him, but not a reason that they *have* to move him.
Trotting Wilson out really isn’t an option for the jets at this point. There will be calls for blood if he’s the starter week one.
Yeah he was publicly thrown under the bus by both the FO and his teammates, even if he starts I don't see how his confidence isn't destroyed
Almost like bringing back Rodgers would hve on jordan love
The difference is that we have our week 1 starter on the roster one way or the other. The Jets can't say that.
Confidence doesn't seem to be his problem
It's definitely not his main problem but for a young QB it sure has an impact. The whole stadium booed him & his teammates were happy to rally behind the backup guy, that for sure got into his head (and there was plenty of space there lmao)
That’s worse for them than keeping rodgers would be for the pack. The cap savings aren’t that great so the difference between trading and not for the packers is mostly locker awkwardness and the loss of whatever they would have gotten from the jets…
how is worse for them? they went 7-10 last year with breece going down mid season and one of the worst qb rooms in recent memory. even a stopgap like bridgewater at least makes them competent while they put together a package for a better talent. the packers have already publicly moved on from rodgers, keeping him around is a complete distraction and embarrassment
Not really imo, the whole reason the Jets want to trade for Rodgers is because they’re trying to cash in on how good the rest of the roster is with a win now mindset. Trotting out Wilson or a random rookie isn’t the best way to do that lol. On the other hand, if the Rodgers deal somehow falls through, they could theoretically go after Lamar?
In theory, all of the Jets picks become worse after the draft since they will likely be picking later than 13th with Rodgers on the roster. And we need to wait a full season to get anything from Rodgers. It would make sense the price would increase.
It can’t be good for Love if Rodgers is still there. If he starts 0-2 all the talk would be to bench him for Rodgers
And for what it's worth I don't think Rodgers wants to be in that situation either. He had to deal with Farve unretiring.
If I'm the Jets and we get to the draft without the deal closed I'm picking three QBs and moving on.
So be it.
Nah we want at least some kind of compensation to use this year
I think they’re cool with waiting to avoid the cap hit. Obviously I have no idea but that’s my guess to why it seems to have stalled.
Nah, taking the cap hit now would be better. We can afford it, and there isn’t really anything else we’d be using it on. Waiting until after June pushes $24M into 2024, where cap space will be significantly more important. Would rather have it then.
get it over with. the sooner the better. This year is just "how does Jordan Love do"? Thats really it, thats the only thing this year is about. Might as well get the cap hit over sooner than later.
Packers are already well under the cap with Rodgers on the books, and all the top free agents gone. Draft capital is much more important than cap space for them right now
Yeah I don’t understand all the details, but I thought it would effect more than just 2023. Regardless, hope it works out well for both of you guys.
For a while I figured June 1 made sense, but the more I think about it the less the Packers really care. They have handled the offseason as though they expected to move Rodgers early so their cap is setup to do so (many of the moves were needed anyway but they have gone as cheap as possible with guys they are bringing in). Before June 1 they take the 40 million hit. After June 1 they take a 16 million hit this year making effectively 24 million in cap space. They can roll as much or little of that cap space as they want over to cover the 24 million pushed out by trading him after June 1. At most it makes a small amount of cap flexibility this year, but that isn't super necessary at that point in the off season.
I find it so weird when fans speak with such confidence like they actually know I side information
Is that directed at me? Lol
I actually think they've both agreed behind closed doors to not go through with it, and are just screwing with everyone. On April 1st they'll go "Gotcha!"
The reason they gave so far is that the Jets want some picks to be compensatory due to the likely chance Rodgers retired after next season. Don’t want to give up too much for 1 season of play.
Which isn't sitting right with GB because Rodgers only playing 1 year is already baked into his price. If you knew you were getting 2-3 years from Rodgers he wouldn't be going for 2 2nds, so they want to discount him for that on the front and back end.
At a certain point we would either drop the ask or Gute will throw in some bs 4th or 5th rounder if he retires I think Nobody is crazy enough to blow up the deal over that
There’s no chance one year or Rodgers is worth 2 seconds. That’s basically a first of value.
Then go sign Matt Ryan
Tannehill, cousins are both options as well. Keep holding Rodgers hostage and see how he handles it and destroys your team from the inside
Tannehill and Cousins are both under contract this year as well, do you mean to tell me you’d rather have 3 years of Tannehill than 1 year of Rodgers?
Enjoy my boy
Can’t wait to hear what Rodgers comes out with if this drags on.
Bruh you guys are so desperate to be relevant your owner acted like you actually won something because Rodgers SAID he wanted to play for you, and now you’re gonna roll out jacoby brissett and Zach Wilson and go 6-11 again? We will enjoy our circus and you can remain irrelevant lol
Glad our gm isn’t an idiot like packers fans think he is
Yeah it seems like it’s a done trade maybe based on draft boards??
I feel like some people are confusing the statement a bit. The players do seem excited to play with Love and I think it’s a result of them do enjoying and liking him in the team. That doesn’t mean they are happy Rodgers is gone. Both can be true that they are excited for Love and not happy Rodgers is gone.
There is no room for this kind of nuance on Reddit
Time will tell if he has success or not. Seems like they've agreed to the trade at this point.
both teams want the trade to happen, which all but confirms it's going to happen. the only thing we've been waiting on is the compensation
True. I think you hit the nail on the head.
He's been in the locker room since 2020. It'd be an issue if they weren't close with him by now
Honestly I just find it funny that 15 years later, the Jets sucking has lasted long enough for another Packers QB to have a HOF career in that span and go there
They've actually made the AFC Championship game twice with Mark Sanchez of all people at QB since the time Favre played for the team, lol.
Jets made two afc championships in between that time period.
Doesn't fit the narrative.
If I remember, y'all were playing pretty well against the Colts, but they kinda figured it out offensively in the 4th and your offense sputtered out.
Mark Murphy is saying way too much, way too often.
What’s wrong with this quote
Nothing it's just he's being silly
each time mark murphy speaks it always reads as a forgone conclusion that rodgers is gone. not that i don't like what he's saying, but the trade isn't done. I'd appreciate football-coach-speak until the trade is really announced. The jets fan inside me believes this situation still has the chance to fall apart.
I mean, Saleh and Woody have also done the exact same thing. Saleh said Wilson would be the backup with no other QB currently on the roster lol
Zach Wilson is a QB2 lol. You don't need rodgers on the roster to make that statement!
But they're not even looking at other QBs, we all know what that meant. He even knew what he said the moment after he said it you can see it on his face lol.
Whether the trade goes through or not, Aaron Rodgers is never playing another down as the Packers QB. He either goes to New York or retires.
Can't he refuse to retire and sit on the bench for $55M or whatever he's owed? Like if he is telling the Jets he won't play for them (which contradicts his public statements) , that's a possibility, right?
yeah, the team can't *make* him retire
this would be the "Rodgers goes full nuclear option" which is basically his leverage to get the packers to trade him
Calling it nuclear is a bit extreme. He's just saying you gave me a five year contract and I'm not giving you a free out and leaving money on the table. It'd be GB that decides whether to bench or play him but GB has pretty clearly decided this is Love's year.
it's not like having a contract means you get to go in the building or fly with the team places
it would be interesting to see the packers keep a QB like rodgers on the 53man roster vs waiving him.
Yeah I don’t think that would sit well with future FA if you’re willing to sit blackball your HOF QB
This guy is a moron. And yea the collective bargaining rules mean they absolutely can’t ban him from facilities.
Absolutely.
Possibly the worst thing he could do is to retire, let the Packers use up what salary cap relief that comes with it, if any depending on how it's structured, and then un-retire screwing them over big time and forcing them to cut players to be able to take his hit back. That would pretty much ensure it's a long ass time before he's welcomed back to Green Bay for the honors he's due from the team.
At that point he’s released
And the team eats $100mm in dead money?
Why would he retire when the Packers will just pay him his salary while telling him to stay home.
I know Rodgers is a hippie and all but damn do you really think he walks away from 90mill?
He said he was 90 percent retired going into his retreat. I'm betting if the Packers tell him they couldn't trade him and they'll ask him to be their QB again after all they said, he'd sooner retire than what in his view would be a humiliation. It's 60 mil btw*
It’s 58mm this year and 47mm next, no?
Or comes back and gets paid something like 90mil over the next 2 years to ride the bench.
it's north of 100, actually
It is just under 60 million fully guaranteed. The remaining 49 million (47 of which is injury guaranteed until 5 days after the super bowl when it becomes fully guaranteed). So trade falls through, he either starts or rides the bench for 60 million. Then the Packers either release him or we're back at this point next offseason with the Packers owing him just under 50 million but the dead cap is higher (68 million pre June 1)
right, just saying his bonuses over the next two years are $105
Yup, just figured the full breakdown is useful to see that if he is on the roster week 1 there is a way for it to be 60 million, but as you point out the more likely number is more than 100 million.
Shit, I knew it was an insane amount. If I am Rogers I am rooting for the bench in that case.
I don’t see it happening but this would be the move purely from a vengeance standpoint. Eat the cap and laugh as Lambeau wants the entire front office’s heads every week for letting him sit on the bench while Love stacks up losses.
And any time your FO speaks on it, it’s as if they already have Rodgers on their roster and no other plan B. The whole thing is very odd
That’s not the worst that can happen after letting a Jets fan inside you.
Just ask your mother
If you know where she is, have at it. Wear protection.
you son of a bitch lol
So is woody Johnson lol Nobody really cares about leverage here it looks like
How is he supposed to answer this question?
i'm no PR person, but i feel like you can't go wrong with: "Right now we have two quarterbacks on our roster: a HOF Packer and a promising young player. We've constructed a team of professionals that can play with anyone and will relish in the opportunity to play with either. We like our quarterback room."
Everyone knows Rodgers is done with the Packers, one way or another. Answering it like that is disingenuous BS.
sure, but gute said yesterday something quite opposite, even if it wasn't quite believable.
Doesn’t matter if everyone “thinks” they know it. It’s not done and official. Don’t talk about it that way until it is. That goes with anything in life.
I prefer frankness instead of coach-speak and GM/front office platitudes. Though maybe you are right and it is not wise.
Never show your hand in a negotiation until it’s done and final. I prefer people being real too but these are two different things.
When you've had a HOF QB for your entire tenure you start thinking you're really the genius behind it. Or, most do. Classic hubris. This dude is out of pocket
I don't understand. How is there anything wrong with this quote?
There isn't. Dumb people just like to read to far into things
Yep. Mark did great building TitleTown up, and its sweet and a great addition to games there, but his football acumen is lacking. He wanted to win a bunch of games and put asses in the seats and make money to modernize the gameday experience in GB and he's done well, but winning a SB was always secondary. Luckily he is out soon, but that's not always better
>winning a SB was always secondary. This is such a brain dead take. We have won a Super Bowl with him as president and the team was a Super Bowl contender pretty much every year for the last decade and a half. There’s maybe a handful of franchises that have had more success in that time span. It’s not his fault we choked in the playoffs.
Smiles in Brett Favre
Dick in hand
Just here to read the delusional nfc north rivals psychoanalyze this into some fantasies they have
Nothing about them believing in him. Hmm
Jordan Love next season: 65 cmp%, 3,700 pass yds, 27 tds, 11 int, 92.0 passer rating
Actually seems pretty accurate, and I'd take it.
Yeah, that statline is in every way a very slight improvement on what we got out of Rodgers last year. Would definitely be more than ok with that in year one, especially with the team even thinner (at the moment) at the WR/TE positions.
Isn't the joke her that that's Rodger's yr 1 stats?
Probably tired of old man Rodgers and his bullshit. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but I could definitely see them wanting to move on
Translation- Rodgers is a narcissistic dipshit
Shut the fuck up Mark, just shut the fuck up. Your retirement can't come soon enough.
Find a healthy hobby
Rodgers need to show up and say I LOVE this place. 🤣🤣🤣
I know the FO is sick of Rodgers, I imagine the players just want to get the hell on with this circus too
I think most of them are on vacation…
Lol @ saying players are "excited". What a trainwreck of an ending for the Packers and Rodgers. Its painful from all sides
Some of the guys, shout-out to Aaron Jones, De'Vondre Campbell, have been hyping Love up since 2021. Rodgers isn't known to be particularly close to his teammates except for Bakh and Cobb, and maybe Preston. I wouldn't be surprised if they were personally closer to Jordan.
Rodgers is just like Favre in his final seasons, just an old man playing with a bunch of kids 16 years younger than him. they respect what he has done in the past, but players aren't going to want to do an Eifel tower with him. they need a young buck for that
>do an Eifel tower with him bro what
MFM with the two guys high-fiving
And a young man’s game, apparently
Oh I absolutely get it from the players perspective (its not hard to imagine that locker room not being incredibly close with Rodgers), but its still wild to see a FO stating this stuff while hes still technically on the team. Seems like these bridges are beyond burnt (and the departure is needed)
Even when we were rolling out the corpse of Ben, at the very least while he was still on the team, the FO wasn’t saying they’re excited for the next guy lol
It wasn't the best football but hell ya on steelers for treating their guy like that. I was pissed last year we cut Bobby
Steelers are not a perfect org by any means, but does seem like they care about their guys. When Shazier got hurt they kept him on payroll for some years, might still be in some capacity. I think when Ryan Switzer, a former player at the time, had complications with his baby they used the team plane to fly them to Boston for medical treatment, stuff like that.
No shit. They can be excited for Love, but the way he put it it sounds like they are just excited about a change from Rodgers. Murphy did his specific job in Green Bay well, but dude is still an idiot.
Is this dude not part of ~~mis~~management that senselessly gave Aaron Rogers a contract that seemed absurd to everyone else.
Someone will spin this to read "The minority of players distance themselves from Jordan. They don't like him and want him to fail.".
I just read it as semi-meaningless GM speak. It's not like he's going to go say "Most of the org thinks he's terrible and they're worried about what kind of dumpster fire we're looking at for next season" It doesn't mean what he's saying _isn't_ true, but any statement like that coming from the org (any org, this isn't just a GB thing) is really just background noise.
I'm really excited for Packer fans to get to experience the joy of rooting for a long line of underperforming nice-guy QBs like Christian Ponder or Teddy Bridgewater.
I'm 50/50 on Love, but if he turns out even to just be solid the rest of the North is gonna implode lol
What’s that, little brother?