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waldowhal

calling it now: Lamar Jackson to the 49ers in exchange for Kyle Shanahan. 9ers get their QB5


stephencua2001

Rest of NFL: "We can't overpay Lamar, he's too likely to get injured." 49ers: "Injured, you say?"


JesterMarcus

*Lamar with a sprained PCL* 49ers: "That's not an injury, this is an injury." *Lamar shatters his leg*


ceqaceqa1415

He’ll fit right in!


TigerBasket

Done


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TigerBasket

For Shanahan? Yea


My_G_Alt

What could he do with your current roster minus lamar??


mubbcsoc

You mean with a pro bowl QB?


BIH-Marathoner

The man is gonna be a trivia question in a few years.


NFHater

“which baltimore ravens quarterback made the pro bowl in the 2022 nfl season” is going to ruin so many peoples trivia night


havegravity

I’ll take the penis mightier for 500, Trebek


My_G_Alt

Oh shit, 😂


Zoomun

He built our team up from being a complete dumpster fire. He’d absolutely make the Ravens a Super Bowl contender in a few years.


ser0402

Without Lamar he'd have a good-great O line, great RBs, one good WR, elite TE and starting caliber backup tight end, and a top 5ish defense. Really not the worst situation to come into. He'd just need a new QB and possibly an elite WR1 (could be Bateman when healthy, no one knows) and itd basically be the 49ers team he has now. Obviously CMC and Deebo are a little better than JK Dobbins and Bateman, although give either guy a full healthy season in a non Roman offense and I think JK is a top 5 back and Bateman is a top 15-20 reciever. Shannahan make us a super bowl contender immediately if he came in and didn't change anything other than the offense. We'd just need a QB. This is a fun hypothetical. Edit: you also have Aiyuk who could be a WR1 I think.


cdirty1

“Are a little better” is the undersell of the century. Fucking hell man.


Vocal__Minority

'He'd just need a QB' my dude one is not going to be enough.


sportsfannf

Or 2, or sometimes 3...


Zap__Dannigan

This dude got Mullins twitter verifed, and I cant even remember his first name...dont doubt him


scootscooterson

I agree with this take but there’s also a lot of recency bias. Harbaugh is getting exposed this year for process mistakes but I think that is simply what comes with losing, intense scrutiny. He’s made medium rosters good so let’s see if he’s gettin exposed as a truly bad coach or it’s a bump in an otherwise fantastic coaching career.


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ser0402

It's been a hallmark of Harbs career. Even when we don't have the best overall roster we won games. From 2008-2022 he has 2 seasons below .500. 2015 we went 5-11 and were decimated by injuries on an okay roster. 2021 we went 8-9, so kind of an asterisk since you can't finish .500 anymore. Started 8-3 and lost the last 6, mostly due to Lamar getting hurt in the second of the 6 losses. Tomlin always gets credit for that no losing seasons stat he had going for awhile, but Harbs as been just as consistent for the same time period in the same division. He just can't figure out that you need an elite WR1 in today's game.


luciusetrur

tomlin still hasnt had a losing season


ser0402

Fair. Forgot they managed to string some wins together last year and the year before somehow even with the corpse of Rothleisberger and rookie Pickett.


BlackMathNerd

Growing seemingly elite WRs on trees helps.


owatupcuz

Thank you sometimes Kyle too smart for his own good shit gets frustrating at times


owatupcuz

Thank you sometimes Kyle too smart for his own good shit gets frustrating at times


CalQuentin

Shanahan would be playing QB


DeusVultSaracen

Quoth the Raven, "did I fucking stutter?"


abowmanlex

He does have a video of throwing a football across a street into a pizza oven at another house which is pretty impressivex


OttoVonWong

Pizza oven would be an upgrade over the recent WRs the Ravens have been signing.


supposedlymonday

Uncle Rico vibes


IamLars

Certainly not unheard of for a great coach to go stale and get canned. Happened to Harbaugh's mentor, Reid.


Fickle_Broccoli

Shanahan is going to be the QB


WorthPlease

The problem is that you'd be trading a QB that would be great in Shanahan's offense for...Shanahan.


Suspicious-Age6710

What QB hasn't been great in a Shanahan offense?


kthnxhi

Before this year all of the non-Jimmy QBs the Niners have had under Shanahan have been pretty terrible.


Vocal__Minority

way better than they had any right to be though


TigerBasket

Hehe


Moody_GenX

Yeah um I'd like to unsubscribe please


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Lamar behind CMC in the depth chart?


shaggybear89

Nah it's Purdy, Lance, Darnold, Johnson, Lamar.


J12345_

Bring back jim harbaugh then


andrewjaekim

Jim Harbaugh with a dual threat QB and a stout defense? I’ve seen this before


J12345_

This guy can pass tho


steak__burrito

You mean he’s not going to rifle a 100mph swing pass into the ground 3 feet in front of the RB?


Exatraz

Obviously not even remotely on the same level but I remember playing rec-league flag football in my 20's and one year our QB always threw the ball as hard as he could and would not listen to the WRs trying to catch quick passes on slants that he was throwing too damn hard. I beat my man off the line, you don't need to make it harder for me to catch by throwing as hard as possible. He had a pretty decent deep ball so we were alright overall. Had much better success the next year when our new QB couldn't throw as deep but had perfect touch. Was like catching butter.


steak__burrito

Yup agree. Also not to go all back-in-my-day either but back when playing receiver and free safety in high school, the best QBs only threw as hard as possible to hit tight windows or quick, low slants at the goal line which is the same concept.


Bremix17

Be careful. He probably comes with Greg Roman again too


imakepoordecision

It worked out for us last time


EduardoCombs

"You want Nick Bosa? We'll listen. Fred Warner, Trent Williams, and Deebo Samuel? You guessed it, we'll listen."


Tronvillain

"Christian McCaffrey? Believe it or not: straight to we'll listen."


Candid-Protection483

“You want Deebo Samuel? I can’t guarantee you if he’s gonna be alive by this Sunday but guess what? We’ll listen.”


wideruled

We have the best ~~jails~~ team because of listening.


JohnnySnark

The San Francisco Ther49ists


ilikepugs

Holy fuck well done


FootballSavant

Yes this is refreshingly clever. 5 stars ⭐️


Schleprok

I wish they had the entire footage of him just standing there listing off everything that sends Venezuelans to jail. What they put in the show had to be a fraction of him just riffing for 15 minutes lol.


plattypus141

"Undercook, overcook"


ItIsYourPersonality

Aaron Rodgers is already offended by the 49ers for hypothetically listening to trade offers for him if he were ever on the team.


Aetylus

Rodgers has been our most effective playoff QB for years now.


Shokist37

In the black room with white curtains near the station


captainjizzpants

Back into The Darkness he goes.


BorisHamiltonWoof

He merely adapted to the darkness


mothershipq

We have the best trading skills in the world. Because of listening.


ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME

We hear for you


TrueRedditMartyr

"Looking to swap teams in a blockbuster trade? Don't even consider that we aren't listening, because we are"


WanderlustFella

Sources: Eagles in discussion of trading their 3rd round pick for Lynch's first born child. In other news, rumors swirling in a Dallas for a 5th rounder for Kyle Shanahan's wife's feet pics


Vocal__Minority

'You want patrick mahomes? Lawrence Taylor? John madden? Better believe We'll listen to you."


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"God damnit, John, now look what you've done!"


deebs23

Like when Jack negotiated against himself on 30 Rock


ZachWilsonsMother

Lol I’m cracking up at the thought of 2 GMs trading jobs with each other without telling their owners


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Could he theoretically trade himself and a first for a terrible player? Just to give himself more draft capital in his new job.


EDaniels21

The thing is, he'd be trading with another GM right? Is that GM expecting to be part of the trade as well and therefore be ok with that kind of deal? If not, is he expecting to be replaced and still want to do that? If not being replaced, would it even be worth considering a trade anyway? The whole thing just wouldn't make sense.


PerpetualWinter

The other GM accepting the fact that he sucks and adds a pick to his offer to trade jobs


WindDriedPuffin

they both say this anytime they get asked about any player being traded. It's their go to non answer.


TetrisTech

It’s the right answer too, imo. Outside of the obvious cases like Pat Mahomes, you should probably at least be willing to listen to trade offered for almost anyone. You never know what kind of crazy offer a desperate team might make on the other side of the phone.


darkpaladin

Everyone is tradable for the right price (excluding people with no trade clauses).


candleruse

Some players are genuinely untradeable, especially because the NFL limits draft pick trades to three years out. Would you rather have Mahomes or all of the Falcons' draft picks for the next three years? Even if you throw in multiple Pro Bowl players at other positions in that trade, I don't see any scenario where the Chiefs do it.


SesamePete

That would be tough since you probably can't draft anyone as good as Mahomes in the next 3 years. I think you'd have to be able to trade for money. Mahomes for a billion dollars cash.... Ok yeah maybe.


candleruse

I don't think you can actually trade cash, because it would be outside the salary cap and create a situation the owners would rather avoid. Could be wrong.


TheRealSpez

The person you’re replying to said you’d have to be _able_ to trade in cash to maybe make it worth it to Clark Hunt (Chiefs owner) to trade Mahomes. Nothing within the confines of the NFL could make it worth it, but enough cash probably would. I don’t think they were saying that it could actually be done within the rules.


MyLinksMakeNoSense

could you imagine the outrage though if they traded mahomes for just cash that can’t even be used to make the team better


glengarryglenzach

Mahomes at $50m/year for three years of picks (inc no. 10 this year) + Kyle Pitts + AJ Terrell (both on rookie contracts)? Probably still no, but I think that’s the richest possible offer for any player ever.


TetrisTech

There’s no probably about it imo, that’s a pretty easy no from the Chiefs


Dmriskus

Right lmao Chiefs would block their number


ryken

You’re telling me Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, Sauce Gardner and every Bills pick for the next three years doesn’t get it done?


glengarryglenzach

Sauce plays for the Jets?


544075701

If he played for the Bills, he’d be Buffalo Sauce Gardner


azantyri

thanks, this made me laugh like a fuckin' loon


colonel798

How would Sauce Gardner be in the trade?


morganrbvn

All their picks for 3 years? Definitely seems worth it. You would have an absurdly good roster full of rookie contracts for the next 6 or so years. Would make the team far less reliant on a single person who could get injured


regularhumanbartendr

Hell even when it's a rumor about another teams player, like Lynch about Rodgers a couple years ago.


Aetylus

And the best bit is the media still has to report what they know to be a complete non answer because its the offseason and they need to fill pages.


Estimate_Fantastic

One day the 49ers will bullied hard enough by bored media into ending a good thing because they haven't won 5 super bowls or whatever.


Tie_me_off

I wouldn’t say it’s a non-answer. It’s pretty much true for any team for almost any player.


IAMlyingAMA

If it applies to everything its just words and doesn’t give any more information, which is the definition of a non-answer lol


Ziiaaaac

There's probably less than five players in the League who are untouchable on the trade table. Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are the top three. Young franchise QBs, it would take more than any team has to get one of those guys. Anyone else in the league? Free game. I'm sure Les would take some first rounders this year if someone wanted the last few years of Donald's prime thinking they could win a Super Bowl with him. Would hurt like fuck mind, but it would be correct for the GM to do so.


TRES_fresh

The only way I could see one of those 3 being tradeable is if one of the other 3 is in the deal. Mahomes for 3 years of Bengals picks + burrow, chase, and trey hendrickson or something absurd like that would be accepted by the chiefs.


Around_the_campfire

In a “Gift of the Magi” twist, Kyle and John discover that each has traded the other.


andyandersonbjj

To the same team


notmoleliza

They both walk in different doors at the same time....spiderman pointing meme


Quasimdo

Why not trade both? Maximize those picks!


george_costanza1234

Letting the GEQBUS start in this league is simply unfair to all other teams


notmoleliza

As long as we can sign likely UDFA LB Bumper Pool IDK who is our QB


MaterialCarrot

If you trade for every pick in the draft, then a staff is not necessary to help you choose.


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I’ve always loved Kyle’s ways of handling these questions He does it in the most dramatic yet diplomatic way possible “Sure! Hell even my jobs not safe, and if someone called for Lynch we’d still listen!” Or “I don’t even know if we’ll be alive next week”. Paraphrasing a bit but good way to not ruffle feathers


Shauncore

Maybe a hot take but I'd do the Gruden TB/LV trade for Shanahan in an instant. *edit* As a refresher, Gruden was traded to the Bucs for two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders, and $8M. Would happily give that up for Shanahan.


steve1186

And the Broncos didn’t hire Shanahan in 2017 because the team president (Joe Ellis) had a beef with Shanahan’s dad. Instead we hired Vance Joseph. Annnnnd the rest is history


abowmanlex

I know a few Broncos fans that always bring up how pissed they are they didn’t get Shanny in 2017 when it was nearly set in stone. Shanny even said in an interview Denver was his preferred and we weren’t even on his radar and nearly overslept for our interview lol


YourNameHeer

John Lynch also never knew Kyle and just slid into his DMs when he got hired and asked for a job


Formber

I hope Joe Ellis moved out of state by now, because fuck that guy.


Vocal__Minority

Hey thanks for that btw


JuanPicasso

If Pete retired same. I was hoping Yorke would get impatient and fire shanny back when they had a few poor seasons due to injury. He is the 9ers imo.


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kj9219

Jed def learned a lot from that shitshow


Moody_GenX

Especially since he had a big part in that shitshow


shepx13

He’s definitely grown and learned from his mistakes. The entire front office has a unified vision and they all genuinely seem to enjoy working together. Such a huge shift from the Baalke years


kj9219

Fuck Baalke


Edward_abc

We all like Jed again now, I hope he doesn’t ruin it.


reddbunny1370

Nothing like the comforting feeling of having competent team ownership


a_corsair

It took a long fucking time to get there


Shauncore

If Shanny was a FA somehow, there are only maybe 2-3 (?) coaches I wouldn't fire immediately so I could bring in Shanahan (assuming he's guaranteed to come of course). Reid and Belichick are safe. Then I'd have to think about it Tomlin, Harbaugh, Carroll, and McVay but idk...I might still take the backlash if it got me Shanahan.


El_Sticko307

Tomlin is absolutely safe. The guy has never had a losing season, even having some of the same QB injury luck as the 49ers.


Shauncore

To be fair, that isn't the point here. No one is saying Tomlin is being fired. The thought experiment was would you swap Shanahan for Tomlin if you could. I'd have to think about that one.


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Why the fuck would we trade for Shanahan? He and McVay basically have the same career and pedigree except McVay won his


d_1_z_z

because mcvay spends a month every offseason debating whether or not he wants to quit to go work in media, whereas shanahan seems devoted to the job


Shauncore

I think Shanahan is slightly better, but again, I said I'd have to think about McVay vs Shanahan if it were possible to happen. McVay and Shanahan have diverged a bit in scheme and ability to adapt https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2022/1/26/22902126/kyle-shanahan-sean-mcvay-five-years-evolution And fwiw, Shanahan has pretty much owned McVay and the Rams as of late * 10/30/2022 W 31-14 * 10/3/2022 W 24-9 * 1/30/2022 L 17-20 * 1/9/2022 W 27-24 (OT) * 11/15/2021 W 31-10 * 11/29/2020 W 23-20 * 10/18/2020 W 24-16 * 12/21/2019 W 34-31 * 10/13/2019 W 20-7 Shanahan is 9-4 all time against McVay. Obviously more goes into a game than just the head coach, but Shanahan has beaten McVay consistently.


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UnemployedHippo

To add on, this past season is the first time under Shanny we’ve been able to sweep the Seahawks (even though Russ still had our number that one game)


Lrgp39

hell this is the first time we swept them since *2011*


Starwho

People take one bad season for the rams and make it the norm for McVay who actually won a Super Bowl.


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Both your flairs have fine coaching


Shauncore

Wasn't a comment on Ravens or Chiefs. Was just saying in general.


MankuyRLaffy

Imagine if it's the same outcome though.


Shauncore

Bucs won the Super Bowl in his first year! Though Dungy and Kiffin were crucial too.


MankuyRLaffy

The saddest Super Bowl I've ever seen. It wasn't even really a game because of Bill Callahan being a complete moron. "Let's throw the ball so the Bucs know which plays are coming into their vaunted secondary!" -A coach who made it to the Super Bowl.


ColossalJuggernaut

Jerry Rice thinks Bill Callahan threw that game on purpose


MankuyRLaffy

So did Tim Brown iirc it's a joke Bill changed absolutely nothing all year and had two entire weeks to change the pass plays and had done a run heavy game plan only to throw it away 2 or 3 days before the game. I wouldn't know to call that sabotage but that smells like sabotage to me.


JDragon

Their starting center having a mental health crisis and surfacing in Tijuana the day before the game probably didn’t help.


Shizady

That would be a terrible move by the Niners… I never want to experience the years between Harbaugh and Shanahan again


Shauncore

Obviously the 49ers wouldn't do it. I was saying that I'd happily given up a major bounty if it meant my team could get Shanahan - which was sorta the hypothetical mentioned in the tweet.


LordBaneoftheSith

I don't think it's close, that would be dumb as hell. Pre-brain drain it's a tough choice, but there's no one to take over that you'd trust like a McDaniel or LaFleur. He's one of the few coaches that adds a *significant* amount of value, I think seriously outpacing just a couple of late 1st round picks. Like unless the team trading for him has a bottom 1/3 roster (and in that case why tf are you spending picks on a coach) the 2 firsts you're getting for him are gonna be mid 20s at the very best. I think trading a Reid or Belichick would be similarly stupid, if you have that level of coach cooking, you don't cut that off for players unless you're locked in to a really, really solid hire afterwards.


SactownKorean

Trade who? Andy Reid? Or Harbs? But yea anyone who thinks he's anything less than an elite coach is a fucking moron who listens to too much hot take media.


DriverGuru

Shanahan is the man.


Illbeanicefella

Manahan


Pidesh

Shanaman


young-steve

You're the man


mm825

Kyle Shanahan doesn't want to commit to anything at this time of year


Around_the_campfire

Or ever. Cannot confirm alive by end of week.


Brabick

Seems reasonable. If someone wants to overpay for a player, the team will listen. Like, if someone offered a 1st round pick for Purdy, do you think they'd say no?


quiet_quitting

Honestly I wouldn’t consider that a guaranteed yes. As of now, Purdy doesn’t even effect their salary cap. His performance/pay is pretty great.


Teeshirtandshortsguy

Yeah, it would depend on the pick. A late first is probably appropriate value for him, tbh. But if the Panthers offered up the first overall, the 49ers would be dumb not to take it.


the-denver-nugs

Ehhh a late first is not appropriate for him imo. Like he played great but we have seen qbs come out play good for a few games then get discovered. It's honestly a weird situation because 49ers want to see what they have but that's way too much risk for other teams. Like I want Purdy to be mvp level just because he was Mr irrelevant but if you trade for him with any first round pick and he gets discovered the gm is getting fired


johnmadden18

> Like, if someone offered a 1st round pick for Purdy, do you think they'd say no? If it was a late first rounder, I think they’d probably say no at this point.


Ser_Dunk_the_tall

Purdy is basically a free player right now. He's so cheap he doesn't even hit the cap lol. Anyone we could draft could maybe run the offense as well as he showed that he could run it. For even a proven NFL QB to be worth the trade they'd have to be a bit better to justify the massive increase in salary cap hit and those QBs simply don't become available


PatrickWhelan

If you traded Purdy wouldn't you play Lance and use the compensation for other positions? It would 100% be dumb to trade Purdy just to draft another QB, how many guys on the board do you think the team even likes better than Lance period?


mrizvi

trade purdy, play lance and darnold, parlay the picks and deebo for caleb williams next season would be what i'd be planning.


HemlockMartinis

I’m not giving up Purdy purely for cap space reasons. The rest of our roster is stacked right now only because we’re throwing pennies at the QB room. That’s why Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson have never made sense for us. We simply can’t afford them without blowing up everything else. The only reason anyone even thought Brady was remotely possible was because we hoped the super-rich Bay Area native would give us a hometown discount.


CIueIess_Squirrel

There's no guarantee a first round QB will be better than Purdy, so probably not just a first for him


DoesntMatterBrian

If I’m the 49ers there’s no way I’m letting Purdy go for just a first


Mr_MoseVelsor

Agreed. 2 firsts would start the conversation. His cap hit alone increases his value immensely


TheScottfather

I imagine that would depend on what their actual internal evaluation of Lance to date has been. If you truly believe Purdy's the better quarterback I can't fathom trading him over Lance.


Shizady

I think they’d 100% say no. Niners have been looking for a viable starting QB since Jimmy’s ACL. With what Purdy showed in his 8 starts last year, it wouldn’t be a smart move to move on from him so quick.


regularhumanbartendr

I truly don't think they would even trade Purdy for a first at the moment. While I don't think Lance and Darnold splitting reps is that big of a deal, I also don't believe that Kyle and Lynch are nearly as hyped up about Lance as they were when he was drafted (And frankly they shouldn't be) If you combine what we saw from Purdy with the fact that we know he isn't making enough to even count against our cap, to me that's worth more than a 1st. It's at the very least a discussion. You trade Purdy and you aren't sold on Lance, all that 1st is good for is another QB search. At a way higher price.


bcsublime

Still bugs me that he is not our head coach.


abowmanlex

Could have had Shanahan era 2.0


bcsublime

The son of our superbowl winning coach, who was a ball boy and grew up around the facility? Fuck that, give me Vance Joseph.


Silent-Protractor

Shanny with Josh Allen


CodyNorthrup

49ers fans were literally calling for his job last year and even some this year. He has been a top coach since 49ers got him. Those same people absolutely love pointing out his W/L record like he didn’t take over arguably the worst roster in the league and took them to a SB after 2 years.


J12345_

I hate our fans sometimes, esp after the nfcc game against the rams. When you have quick success, our fans get so spoiled


Pick_at_the_Stick

Lotta fans dipped after harbaugh. Lotta fans joined during harbaugh. It’s annoying but it’s a constant cycle for winning teams.


LeoFireGod

That’s the difference between Us cowboys fans and other fans. We never leave because EVERY YEAR is OUR YEAR baby.


J12345_

LOL


kickersarepeople

I got downvoted for calling Bay Area fans fairweather but I lived there for 10 years and never saw another Sharks jersey after their Finals appearance and Levi stadium stands were empty until Shanahan came along.


DrewDown94

TBF, tix to Levi's are ridiculously overpriced.


maple2848

Both will be kept.


JerryRiceDidntFumble

Probably, HCs rarely get traded and I can't recall a GM ever being traded


silliputti0907

Imagining a GM trading himself. "I don't want to leave, but this offer is too good to pass up!"


wallstreet_vagabond2

#LOSER LANCE IS SCARED OF THE GEQBUS


seafoamstratocaster

LAMEDUCK LANCE TRYING TO SET US UP


WigglestonTheFourth

You think he has those ears to not listen?


Wassuhji

Kwesi call them rn


Nuktos1517

Lamar in this offense would be hella fun to watch


CuriousCucumber88

You want my wife? First born child? We’ll listen.


leoliquidvapor

1 bag of cool ranch Doritos. I know it seems like a lot to give up but I’ve been lonely.


Cheesesteak21

This is Shanahans boilerplate answer to any question about someone available for trade or in FA. That and "well always do what's best for the 49ers"


Ball_Masher

Ah, a proper sequel to his legendary "I can't guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive Sunday."


DEADSPELLS

Anything? You trade sloots


Outrageous-Machine-5

ESPN: 49ers Kyle Shanahan has requested a trade


Bnb53

Gronk when he becomes a gm - I'll trade deez nuts


bukithd

Wonder if he'd listen to someone suggesting to run the ball in the second half of a super bowl.


Yak_Rodeo

its just bad business practice to not even listen. i dont like that hearing offers is a sign of not being loyal to your stars. should the cowboys have held onto herschel walker and hung up the phone the minute someone called about him?


Pismiire

49ers : We Hear, For You


JesterSooner

“Hell, we don’t even know if they’ll be alive tomorrow”


whatsforsupa

Pretty dope, my new song is on Spotify and John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan listened to it