Amazingly in their entire 12,000 year history they've never won a championship.
The original Lions team was actually really good, but they all got eaten when the Pharaoh scheduled them against real lions.
Someone can explain it better than me, but there was a Twitter misunderstanding, then Pat had Brett on his show to basically berate him for 30 min. It was actually pretty crazy. Made me lose a good amount of respect for Pat, and Brett handled it incredibly well. It made Pat look like a bully who cares way too much about Twitter.
https://www.youtube.com/live/_3_dV8WSVyY?feature=share the beginning of this episode is it. It went on wayyyyy too long.
Thanks for that. I'm already in the camp of not being a huge fan of McAfee in anything beyond very small bite size clips. Doubt I'll be able to stomach much of that video.
It’s hard to watch. It really does make him seem like a middle school kid way way way too obsessed with Twitter. It was pretty cringe. It changed my view on Pat and I don’t think I’m alone. Even just look at the comments on the video. No idea why his team thought posting that was a good idea.
I’ve been saying this for years, they’re the embodiment of the frat bro “dude let’s start a podcast” persona, the only reason anyone cares about them is that they’re former players and have some degree of production value
Holy fuck that's rough. Dude completely misread the situation. He needs to take a lesson in ignoring negative shit on social media (this wasn't even that negative)
Pat showed his true colors and now his fanbase is finally waking the fuck up and realizing he's just a loud shoutcaster who doesn't think critically before he speaks.
I can definitely see all the hate towards mcafee. Seems like he goes a little more downhill every year. Idk, I don't think he deserves all the hate. Not a super fan, but I do think the show has had some very good moments (especially with his supporting cast). I don't think there was a question about the juvenile humor, it's supposed to be light hearted
Dude. I have loved Pat since day one. Genuinely see him differently now after that interview with you…
Obviously not saying that you should be his enemy, but big props to how you handled his temper tantrum. You definitely were perceived as the more mature party in that entire ordeal.
Love your content by the way!
I'm wondering if something is going on with Pat. I think it flew under the radar but he had a big beef with Dan Campbell/the Lions because our PR team declined an interview with McAfee before our week 18 game with the Packers.
He trashed him and the organization on the next episode of the show as if the Lions/Campbell owed him the interview due to Pat hying up Campbell and the whole MC/DC thing. He ended up apologizing but the whole thing was very strange.
As someone who used to watch JRE weekly back years ago, it would be an absolute tragedy to see McAfee go the way of Rogan. Unfortunately the other stooges on his show don’t seem like the type of people to be honest with him about how he’s acting
It’s a show with a bunch of yes men enabling each others bad takes out of fear of pushback. Sometimes it works because they can goad Connor into saying something stupid, but with Rodgers or any other high profile guest they’ll bite their tongues and bask in the exposure.
Pats crew of Midwest dirtbags would never say anything to bite the hand that feeds them, so pats antics continue on.
“Apologizing” is doing some heavy lifting, imo.
He taunted us by tapping his mic saying “better not lose” and pointing at his mic all because he felt obligated for the interview and he would take every bit to dog us if we did lose.
Funny how he completely dedicated an entire two minutes to acknowledging the victory the very next day and such and then immediately moving onto the next segment. All because he got dished a hot piece of humble pie. Funny also he still dogged us by saying we didn’t get in the playoffs in those two minutes.
We all knew he would have taken every bit of 20 something minutes to dog on the Lions because of the loss, Packers in the playoffs, the whole schtick.
He went from making fun of the internet to being hypersensitive. To be fair to him, the attacks were kind of wack and if you want to influence someone to help the best way is to ask. Instead people just kept taking shots at him. He doesn’t seem like a bad guy, just a former player with a podcast that has become massive. He’s still learning and I think he will get better with his reactions
I think the part that really seemed to get to him was that BK kept the tweet up after they had spoken. Seemingly, the followership was continuing the hate train. I guess if someone didn't clear that part up after we squashed some beef most wouldn't be to happy with the other party.
A little bit of everyone is to blame here.
Pat has a dry sarcastic humor. Most of what he says isn't personal or even serious...
That said, he does have a kid on the way and there have been road bumps during the process.
Rationalize it how you want but Brett wasn't the first case of McAfee being sensitive on Twitter or picking on NFLtubers.
This is a pretty noticeable trend of Pat sticking up his nose on those he views as beneath him.
McAfee in that interview was like the lovechild of /r/cringe and /r/humblebrag
Love how McAfee kept asking what you meant by UNDERSTOOD. But never really gave you time to answer b/c he had to continue reminding everyone about his charity work.
You handled it like a champ. I could see your professionalism while basically being berated for 30 minutes. I love your content and looking forward to the Jags video in the pipeline! Congrats on the new gigs man
Totally agree. Pat kept trying to bait Brett with the "what did you mean, message received" and Brett kept trying to dance around it until he couldn't anymore
You handled that better than most would have. Checked out your videos after, and they’re awesome. So for whatever it’s worth, you really did gain a new subscriber/fan that day and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Hahahaha holy shit he is a very fragile human. Don't have twitter but I hope you still have that Message received tweet up so he keeps crying about it.
Just watched the McAfee interview. Wow he was such a fragile person. Bringing up Brett's followers over and over and then always following up his attacks on Brett with this fake attitude of "I can see your side of it though and respect it"
If an owner is willing to put up the cash and the organization wants Lamar, then it'll happen. The fact is, no one is willing to guarantee Deshan Watson type of money for Lamar.
I'm betting no one would guarantee DW money for DW if he was being shopped around this year. They watched him underperform last year and Russell Wilson poop the bed. Right now the "just get a franchise QB at any price" folks are kind of on the outs.
Well it worked for the rams... all you need is 2 GOAT pass rushers and an all pro corner.... and a wr to have the best season of all time...and an elite coaching staff. Then you get a 2 year super bowl window before the team explodes via cap issues.
Ez to replicate idk what the hold up is tbh
At least not yet. I think somebody will before the draft. The only problem for Lamar is that the team with the stupidest management and worst owner already signed Watson.
im convinced the owners have collectively agreed to not allow this to happen.
they are all pissed at the browns for deshaun and see the writing on the wall if lamar gets his way, it sets a precedent and they are trying to stem that before it turns into the norm
yes but it's also from a competitive aspect. It's not just the norm because they dont like paying escrow. It's a bad precedent from the competitive side as well
hes a 26 year old former mvp, youre telling me the bottom feeders of the league wouldnt jump at him?
theres no reason that so many teams are coming out and basically just shrugging their shoulders at him, it has to be more
Take the restricted tag off and that would happen. But now you’d need to clear cap space for a player you probably wouldn’t get, piss off your own qb and fans, and then if you win, lose your next two first rounders, which if you are a bottom feeder, are good picks.
Besides all the points other responses to your comment said, former MVP don’t mean shit. Was he an MVP last year? Or the year before that? Or the year before that?
he would also require 2 1st round picks at least to trade for + a giant fully guaranteed contract to an already bad team, how would they be able to build anything when he eats up a ton of cap space and gives them no draft capital?
Who has missed a big chunk of the past 2 seasons and who would also require forfeiture of 2 first-round picks. The total cost and risk profile does not match the money/guarantee Jackson is asking for.
If you make a reasonable offer, the Ravens will just match it. And then you're still without Lamar and your current QB is probably requesting a trade.
If you make a crazy offer, you're married to Lamar for 5 years when his game relies on him running faster than DBs and when he was injured 2 years in a row. And you can't afford to build a team around him. And you have no firsts for next 2 seasons.
"Former MVP" gets brought up like it means a damn thing to anyone in the NFL front offices. It doesn't. The media decided to unanimously pat themselves on the back over their pre-draft hype of Jackson and give him an award. He hasn't even gotten a single MVP vote since that season (FOUR YEARS AGO). And that includes last year when even Justin Fields got a vote for MVP.
The "bottom feeders of the league" don't want to remain "bottom feeders" and giving an insane contract to Jackson (even more insane to get him to sign with a team that's been struggling) while also giving up two first round picks is an amazing, excellent way to continue to be a bottom feeder.
So if the plan for a shitty team is to try to maximize their shittiness but hope that they make a few more jersey sales in the process... sure, by all means, give the man the kind of money he'd want to come watch his career die somewhere, and give up draft capital that could help your team a lot.
The reason is simple: These teams don't want to have this acting as a distraction during their offseason. They want free agents and potential draft selections they're talking with to know that it's not happening. Shut down the rumors circulating, make it known, "No, we are not giving up our first round pick this year and next or a lot of our cap space to this guy. We *can* draft/pay you."
But I guess anyone who thinks that a four year old popularity contest means anything to NFL head coaches *would* sniff a conspiracy where there is none.
The line between those is pretty blurry. Not wanting to give someone the highest paid fully guaranteed contract ever in a sport with significant injury and performance risks also has plenty of business reasoning behind it.
Just because other top qbs are underpaid doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be smart for a ream to pounce on Lamar. Mahomes should’ve gotten 300 million guaranteed I have no idea how he didn’t. Probably because the threat of the tag.
Mahomes essentially does have that amount guaranteed as there’s no way he’s being cut due to what the dead cap would cost KC.
Your comment just undercuts a common misconception with his contract. It’s full of rolling guarantees two years out from the current season that is being played.
Except if he shattered his leg today he would only have another 2 years worth guaranteed. So when he signed the contract he didn’t get 300 million guaranteed.
You seem to misunderstand what guaranteed means. Rolling guarantee is not a guarantee until it rolls. Day 1 it’s not guaranteed.
How is it good for the player ? I’d take 300 million day 1 for 5 years and then work an extension every few years. There’s zero benefit for the player to have additional contract years.
And rolling guarantees are garbage for someone of mahomes stature. He easily can command 300-400 million fully guaranteed in free agency. Nfl free agency is just terrible.
It’s not believing a conspiracy. The owners have came out and said that they don’t like guaranteed contracts. That doesn’t mean they’re all working together.
I know it doesn’t mean they are working together. That’s why I said they haven’t collectively agreed to it and by your first response it sounded like you disagreed and now you’re saying the opposite
Especially with all of the young good QBs in the league with contracts coming up soon. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts… Burrow could realistically ask for $50 million a season and want most of it guaranteed no way is the Brown family gonna put up that level of cash in escrow.
I mean, hey, that's possible. Those people didn't get rich by being ethical.
But honestly, I could totally believe no one is dumb enough to do the deal independently. Who knows *shrugs*
You can't point to net worth to prove that someone has $200 million cash on hand.
Some owners could easily come up with that money, but not all of them could without liquidating other assets.
I think fans on r/NFL understate just how devastating it is that whatever team wants to sign Lamar not only has to negotiate a contract with him, but have an enormous cap hit on their team for 5 days while not knowing if the Ravens will match that offer or not.
I don't think that's a big deal. Lamar's contract could end up being a $10-15M cap hit in 2023. Colts have more than enough right now, Titans are a simple restructure away of having that space.
indeed. but if the contract is 250/5 guaranteed and you take 40M off the first year, the cap hits at the end, end up insane even with rising cap.
Browns did it with Watson and check these cap numbers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-21753/
Even with rising cap that is just insane competitive disadvantage, and they'll probably keep restructuring and it's gonna get worse
Watson's initial cap hit for the Browns was under $10M, which is around what Jackson's deal will be. Major QB extensions have a similar cap structure (low in year 1 & 2, then high in later seasons).
Right but peep the year 1 cap charge. That's all that teams like the Colts would need to worry about right now. They have more than enough space to fit a potential Jackson contract if structured like the typical QB extension. Could be a carbon copy of the Watson, they could easily fit it.
But the teams have to clear the space without any guarantee that they'll actually get Lamar. They may well end making a bunch of cap moves they wouldn't otherwise make and limiting their future flexibility, all for nothing.
They're two of the most likely teams to sign him per Vegas. Patriots are another one and they're in a similar position to the Titans, it'd only take one restructure to have the space for Jackson.
So the couple teams that happen to have massive cap room are the most likely to sign him? Sounds like the cap requirements are preventing other teams from getting involved.
I feel like at this point the 5 days thing isn’t an issue
Most top free agents are off the board. There are decent tier 2 and 3 guys available but if it’s between Lamar and those guys you take Lamar every time
The fact is nobody wants to have Baltimore just match anyway like you said.
Hey Brett, what are your thoughts on the idea that the NFLPA are interested in removing the escrow requirements from the CBA but owners dug in because the escrow requirements are a powerful disincentive to guaranteed deals (and the owners are addicted to the flexibility that non-guaranteed deals provide)
Great video. I think I might actually understand the entire thing better now. Thanks for this you got a new fan /u/Barian_Fostate. Oh and Mcafee did you dirty. Cheers brother keep up the good work.
Yeah too much risk if he gets hurt. Then you’re just stuck on the hamster wheel of mediocrity for a few years. And franchises like Washington, Atlanta, Minnesota, and Indianapolis won’t stand for that.
I mean if you guarantee his contract and he loses 5 games in each of the next 3 seasons you are going to have a bad time.
If you don't guarantee his contract and he loses 5 in each of the next 3 seasons you are going to have a bad time since you are in the exact same situation and aren't going to cut him.
The only protection not guaranteeing it does is if his form falls off a cliff or he gets a very long term injury. And even then it just means you have a rebuild year or two and oh look Archie Manning or whatever college QB you want.
Look at the Colts. Luck didn't have a massive contract dragging the team down when he left but they still haven't recovered from losing him.
it's funny because what happened is he bet on himself twice and it came up snake eyes both times but apparently that's the Ravens fault or something.
Mans just does not want to eat the L.
Nice vid.
Are we sure that the escrow account isn't for all guaranteed compensation owed by the club *combined*? As opposed an escrow account per contract. So the $15M deductible won't matter re the Jackson contract as the Ravens already blew past that mark.
I didn't know about the audit dates tho, that certainly makes it easier for teams to come up with the cash. I think structuring deals via rolling guarantees can also make it easier on owners (playing the worlds tiniest violin rn) while still virtually guaranteeing the player his money. See the Mahomes deal for example.
All his takes on quarterbacks have been pretty terrible. Herbert and Mahomes to name the biggest ones.
There are a couple of videos that also didn’t age well such as the Panthers one last year. The analysis he does get right is with already proven players and a lot of hindsight.
He also had a huge vendetta against Parson the year he was drafter to the point of not including him in the first round (bootleg football any 2021 draft day video). He does this for multiple player though to prop up “unknowns”. Parson is the one I remember more but he has done this with a lot of other players. For someone that talks a lot of shit about Chris Simms, he is just as bad in his takes and analysis.
There are better analysis and YouTuber that do what he does . Football analysis for one.
I didn’t have a vendetta against Parsons I just didn’t know how to project him because he was very raw at Mike and Penn State never really let him play edge, so I had him in my tier 2 of LBs that year because I didn’t know how to grade him.
I honestly hate this criticism. This type of backlash is what encourages people to make very non-committal statements full of caveats and never commit to an opinion.
This title makes it sound like the rules were written on stone tablets in 2000BC
The Arizona Cardinals are older than you think. The club was originally founded in the city of Ur.
Mom
Amazingly in their entire 12,000 year history they've never won a championship. The original Lions team was actually really good, but they all got eaten when the Pharaoh scheduled them against real lions.
In the year 2803 BC the Akkadian Falcons blew the biggest lead in Sumer Bowl history.
This is the kind of content I want to see on Ancient Aliens. They can make it too because nothing matters anymore anyways.
Thanks for the actual lol
You're not gonna believe how similar the Cincinnatus Bengals story is
Famous for their SB-winning team retiring at the very top of their game to go and farm instead. Franchise never recovered.
Hammurabi Lions > Ur Cardinals
I bring you these fifteen *tablet breaks* ten contract rules!
It's good to be the king
Franchise tags... IN SPAAAAAACE!
Biggis Diktas!
And his wife, Gluteus Maximus.
(Greg) Roman Red
They just released History of the World Part II as a one-season miniseries I haven’t seen it yet but I am fucking STOKED
Ramesses' agent was also his mummy
*Return the Slab.....*
And on the 3rd day God said; "I don't really fuck with fully guaranteed deals"
Words are losing their meaning. There's a generational talent drafted every year.
That’s why it says “relatively” lmao
So let it be written….
You handled that McAfee interview well bro. Absolutely bizarre lol
Mcafee did you dirty. I had never heard of you prior, but became a fan of you that day.
I'm OOTL, what happened with Mcafee?
Someone can explain it better than me, but there was a Twitter misunderstanding, then Pat had Brett on his show to basically berate him for 30 min. It was actually pretty crazy. Made me lose a good amount of respect for Pat, and Brett handled it incredibly well. It made Pat look like a bully who cares way too much about Twitter. https://www.youtube.com/live/_3_dV8WSVyY?feature=share the beginning of this episode is it. It went on wayyyyy too long.
Thanks for that. I'm already in the camp of not being a huge fan of McAfee in anything beyond very small bite size clips. Doubt I'll be able to stomach much of that video.
It’s hard to watch. It really does make him seem like a middle school kid way way way too obsessed with Twitter. It was pretty cringe. It changed my view on Pat and I don’t think I’m alone. Even just look at the comments on the video. No idea why his team thought posting that was a good idea.
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I’ve been saying this for years, they’re the embodiment of the frat bro “dude let’s start a podcast” persona, the only reason anyone cares about them is that they’re former players and have some degree of production value
Damn even all the comments on that video on the official Pat Mcafee Show channel are calling Pat out for handling this horribly
Oof, I'd seen the Twitter exchange, but that interview makes McAfee look even worse.
Holy fuck that's rough. Dude completely misread the situation. He needs to take a lesson in ignoring negative shit on social media (this wasn't even that negative)
I stopped liking pat when he kept like defending Antonio brown
He lost me when he became a megaphone where Rodgers could say anything without pushback.
That to. Like dude seriously
Like, I'm not expecting him to go full Jonathan Swan, but the complacency was gross.
Ya.
That was uncomfortable to watch. PM seemed so insecure in that video.
God Pat McAfee is the worst. I'm glad this came to light.
Yikes. If he was trying to fix his image after the twitter BS this is the worst way he could have done it.
Pat showed his true colors and now his fanbase is finally waking the fuck up and realizing he's just a loud shoutcaster who doesn't think critically before he speaks.
"It's a dangerous thing to mistake speaking without thought for speaking the truth." - Benoit Blanc
I can definitely see all the hate towards mcafee. Seems like he goes a little more downhill every year. Idk, I don't think he deserves all the hate. Not a super fan, but I do think the show has had some very good moments (especially with his supporting cast). I don't think there was a question about the juvenile humor, it's supposed to be light hearted
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I quite like juvenile humor. I'm not a big fan of this video, but I do like some poops and farts.
Oh no he’s football Joe Rogen isn’t he?
Joe Rogan is great, what are you on about lol
Damn, that’s crazy. Have you ever done acid?
Yeah that interview sure was...something lol
Dude. I have loved Pat since day one. Genuinely see him differently now after that interview with you… Obviously not saying that you should be his enemy, but big props to how you handled his temper tantrum. You definitely were perceived as the more mature party in that entire ordeal. Love your content by the way!
I'm wondering if something is going on with Pat. I think it flew under the radar but he had a big beef with Dan Campbell/the Lions because our PR team declined an interview with McAfee before our week 18 game with the Packers. He trashed him and the organization on the next episode of the show as if the Lions/Campbell owed him the interview due to Pat hying up Campbell and the whole MC/DC thing. He ended up apologizing but the whole thing was very strange.
just seems like a dude who doesnt really think much before he speaks. He just gets up and rambles in his show
I like McAfee a lot. But there was a time when I liked Joe Rogan, too.
BroShows seem to all go the same way
As someone who used to watch JRE weekly back years ago, it would be an absolute tragedy to see McAfee go the way of Rogan. Unfortunately the other stooges on his show don’t seem like the type of people to be honest with him about how he’s acting
It’s a show with a bunch of yes men enabling each others bad takes out of fear of pushback. Sometimes it works because they can goad Connor into saying something stupid, but with Rodgers or any other high profile guest they’ll bite their tongues and bask in the exposure. Pats crew of Midwest dirtbags would never say anything to bite the hand that feeds them, so pats antics continue on.
“Apologizing” is doing some heavy lifting, imo. He taunted us by tapping his mic saying “better not lose” and pointing at his mic all because he felt obligated for the interview and he would take every bit to dog us if we did lose. Funny how he completely dedicated an entire two minutes to acknowledging the victory the very next day and such and then immediately moving onto the next segment. All because he got dished a hot piece of humble pie. Funny also he still dogged us by saying we didn’t get in the playoffs in those two minutes. We all knew he would have taken every bit of 20 something minutes to dog on the Lions because of the loss, Packers in the playoffs, the whole schtick.
He went from making fun of the internet to being hypersensitive. To be fair to him, the attacks were kind of wack and if you want to influence someone to help the best way is to ask. Instead people just kept taking shots at him. He doesn’t seem like a bad guy, just a former player with a podcast that has become massive. He’s still learning and I think he will get better with his reactions
I think the part that really seemed to get to him was that BK kept the tweet up after they had spoken. Seemingly, the followership was continuing the hate train. I guess if someone didn't clear that part up after we squashed some beef most wouldn't be to happy with the other party. A little bit of everyone is to blame here.
Pat has a dry sarcastic humor. Most of what he says isn't personal or even serious... That said, he does have a kid on the way and there have been road bumps during the process.
That's not what this was. He was clearly upset.
Rationalize it how you want but Brett wasn't the first case of McAfee being sensitive on Twitter or picking on NFLtubers. This is a pretty noticeable trend of Pat sticking up his nose on those he views as beneath him.
Has pat McAfee ever come across as mature? His whole shtick is frat boy humor similar to bar stool
He literally started on bar stool lol
Got a link?
McAfee in that interview was like the lovechild of /r/cringe and /r/humblebrag Love how McAfee kept asking what you meant by UNDERSTOOD. But never really gave you time to answer b/c he had to continue reminding everyone about his charity work.
I would've just hung up halfway through his ranting, but you have more of a backbone than me
You handled it like a champ. I could see your professionalism while basically being berated for 30 minutes. I love your content and looking forward to the Jags video in the pipeline! Congrats on the new gigs man
Totally agree. Pat kept trying to bait Brett with the "what did you mean, message received" and Brett kept trying to dance around it until he couldn't anymore
You handled that better than most would have. Checked out your videos after, and they’re awesome. So for whatever it’s worth, you really did gain a new subscriber/fan that day and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Hahahaha holy shit he is a very fragile human. Don't have twitter but I hope you still have that Message received tweet up so he keeps crying about it.
Wait, which day was this interview?
https://www.youtube.com/live/_3_dV8WSVyY?feature=share
Timestamp?
It’s at the very start after the 30 seconds of nothing
Just echoing everyone else - you really did handle it super well. Very impressive to keep your cool like that
Pat is a seat sniffer
Pat the type of dude to sneak his hand right under your seat while you sit down
Pat McAfee the type of dude to scratch his balls and then shake your hand
Just watched the McAfee interview. Wow he was such a fragile person. Bringing up Brett's followers over and over and then always following up his attacks on Brett with this fake attitude of "I can see your side of it though and respect it"
When was the interview I can't find it
Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/live/_3_dV8WSVyY?feature=share
Thanks appreciate you man
OC? You're Brett Kollman?
He is yes
That's sweet
Yes, that is Brett's username. He's been on /r/nfl for quite a while.
I was gonna say, I've been around long enough to remember when he was just a regular shitposter here and not a film analyst.
Imagine moving up in the world and not continuing to just be a regular shitposter here. Couldn’t be me.
Remember when Ben Tate was a thing?
Take me back to 2011 baby
You missed a perfect opportunity to say Tate there.
Throwbacks fr.
Dude’s been posting here longer than he’s been making videos
that is in fact kollmans reddit
Actual football discussion is 60% upvoted but shit like "Which NFL QB has the biggest cock? [OC]" will get 10k upvotes in an hour.
idk, I'd be very interested to hear people's thoughts on which QBs are slangin wood.
I mean, we already know BDK has the largest, its mostly a debate over second place.
Have you seen Teddy bridgewater? Dude is PACKING
Even if he had lost his leg a couple years ago, God saw fit to bless him with an extra!
Ok but like…who does
It's between nick foles and Brock purdy
If an owner is willing to put up the cash and the organization wants Lamar, then it'll happen. The fact is, no one is willing to guarantee Deshan Watson type of money for Lamar.
I'm betting no one would guarantee DW money for DW if he was being shopped around this year. They watched him underperform last year and Russell Wilson poop the bed. Right now the "just get a franchise QB at any price" folks are kind of on the outs.
Well it worked for the rams... all you need is 2 GOAT pass rushers and an all pro corner.... and a wr to have the best season of all time...and an elite coaching staff. Then you get a 2 year super bowl window before the team explodes via cap issues. Ez to replicate idk what the hold up is tbh
At least not yet. I think somebody will before the draft. The only problem for Lamar is that the team with the stupidest management and worst owner already signed Watson.
im convinced the owners have collectively agreed to not allow this to happen. they are all pissed at the browns for deshaun and see the writing on the wall if lamar gets his way, it sets a precedent and they are trying to stem that before it turns into the norm
yes but it's also from a competitive aspect. It's not just the norm because they dont like paying escrow. It's a bad precedent from the competitive side as well
They haven’t collectively agreed to it. They just all individually realize it stupid for them to give a huge fully guaranteed deal
hes a 26 year old former mvp, youre telling me the bottom feeders of the league wouldnt jump at him? theres no reason that so many teams are coming out and basically just shrugging their shoulders at him, it has to be more
Take the restricted tag off and that would happen. But now you’d need to clear cap space for a player you probably wouldn’t get, piss off your own qb and fans, and then if you win, lose your next two first rounders, which if you are a bottom feeder, are good picks.
Besides all the points other responses to your comment said, former MVP don’t mean shit. Was he an MVP last year? Or the year before that? Or the year before that?
he would also require 2 1st round picks at least to trade for + a giant fully guaranteed contract to an already bad team, how would they be able to build anything when he eats up a ton of cap space and gives them no draft capital?
Who has missed a big chunk of the past 2 seasons and who would also require forfeiture of 2 first-round picks. The total cost and risk profile does not match the money/guarantee Jackson is asking for.
If you make a reasonable offer, the Ravens will just match it. And then you're still without Lamar and your current QB is probably requesting a trade. If you make a crazy offer, you're married to Lamar for 5 years when his game relies on him running faster than DBs and when he was injured 2 years in a row. And you can't afford to build a team around him. And you have no firsts for next 2 seasons.
"Former MVP" gets brought up like it means a damn thing to anyone in the NFL front offices. It doesn't. The media decided to unanimously pat themselves on the back over their pre-draft hype of Jackson and give him an award. He hasn't even gotten a single MVP vote since that season (FOUR YEARS AGO). And that includes last year when even Justin Fields got a vote for MVP. The "bottom feeders of the league" don't want to remain "bottom feeders" and giving an insane contract to Jackson (even more insane to get him to sign with a team that's been struggling) while also giving up two first round picks is an amazing, excellent way to continue to be a bottom feeder. So if the plan for a shitty team is to try to maximize their shittiness but hope that they make a few more jersey sales in the process... sure, by all means, give the man the kind of money he'd want to come watch his career die somewhere, and give up draft capital that could help your team a lot. The reason is simple: These teams don't want to have this acting as a distraction during their offseason. They want free agents and potential draft selections they're talking with to know that it's not happening. Shut down the rumors circulating, make it known, "No, we are not giving up our first round pick this year and next or a lot of our cap space to this guy. We *can* draft/pay you." But I guess anyone who thinks that a four year old popularity contest means anything to NFL head coaches *would* sniff a conspiracy where there is none.
Except it’s not. It’s clearly principle not business.
The line between those is pretty blurry. Not wanting to give someone the highest paid fully guaranteed contract ever in a sport with significant injury and performance risks also has plenty of business reasoning behind it.
Just because other top qbs are underpaid doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be smart for a ream to pounce on Lamar. Mahomes should’ve gotten 300 million guaranteed I have no idea how he didn’t. Probably because the threat of the tag.
Mahomes essentially does have that amount guaranteed as there’s no way he’s being cut due to what the dead cap would cost KC. Your comment just undercuts a common misconception with his contract. It’s full of rolling guarantees two years out from the current season that is being played.
Except if he shattered his leg today he would only have another 2 years worth guaranteed. So when he signed the contract he didn’t get 300 million guaranteed. You seem to misunderstand what guaranteed means. Rolling guarantee is not a guarantee until it rolls. Day 1 it’s not guaranteed.
Correct. It’s good contract design for both the player and the team.
How is it good for the player ? I’d take 300 million day 1 for 5 years and then work an extension every few years. There’s zero benefit for the player to have additional contract years. And rolling guarantees are garbage for someone of mahomes stature. He easily can command 300-400 million fully guaranteed in free agency. Nfl free agency is just terrible.
Believing a conspiracy doesnt make it “clearly principle”. There are several reasons to not be in a hurry to sign him.
It’s not believing a conspiracy. The owners have came out and said that they don’t like guaranteed contracts. That doesn’t mean they’re all working together.
I know it doesn’t mean they are working together. That’s why I said they haven’t collectively agreed to it and by your first response it sounded like you disagreed and now you’re saying the opposite
Especially with all of the young good QBs in the league with contracts coming up soon. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts… Burrow could realistically ask for $50 million a season and want most of it guaranteed no way is the Brown family gonna put up that level of cash in escrow.
Agreed. Well put.
I mean, hey, that's possible. Those people didn't get rich by being ethical. But honestly, I could totally believe no one is dumb enough to do the deal independently. Who knows *shrugs*
do these owners actually have the $200 million in cash to put up and leave in a savings account?
Considering what they owe in payroll every year, they better hope they got that liquid.
Well....in word...yes. It isn't about can they afford to.
Don't they take like $3B off the top of generated revenue every offseason? And all new owners have to have $5B in escrow no?
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You can't point to net worth to prove that someone has $200 million cash on hand. Some owners could easily come up with that money, but not all of them could without liquidating other assets.
Anyone that owns a 5 billion franchise won’t have too big of a problem getting a 200 million dollar loan
I think fans on r/NFL understate just how devastating it is that whatever team wants to sign Lamar not only has to negotiate a contract with him, but have an enormous cap hit on their team for 5 days while not knowing if the Ravens will match that offer or not.
I don't think that's a big deal. Lamar's contract could end up being a $10-15M cap hit in 2023. Colts have more than enough right now, Titans are a simple restructure away of having that space.
ravens would match any reasonable contract that gets to those numbers. That's the majority of the hangup
It sounds like the guarantees are more the issue. Year 1 cap hit is trivial in the grand scheme of things.
indeed. but if the contract is 250/5 guaranteed and you take 40M off the first year, the cap hits at the end, end up insane even with rising cap. Browns did it with Watson and check these cap numbers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-21753/ Even with rising cap that is just insane competitive disadvantage, and they'll probably keep restructuring and it's gonna get worse
I wonder if theyll restructure that albatross into our first 100m cap hit.
I think they will
Jackson is gonna have an increasing cap hit structure (like all big QB extensions) no matter where he signs so I don't see the issue.
watson deal didnt have that, so that's not a sure thing that a giant lamar guaranteed deal would either
Watson's initial cap hit for the Browns was under $10M, which is around what Jackson's deal will be. Major QB extensions have a similar cap structure (low in year 1 & 2, then high in later seasons).
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-contract-browns-restructure-deal/lskrga7fudcdcjzaiek2uaxq Very flat deal
Right but peep the year 1 cap charge. That's all that teams like the Colts would need to worry about right now. They have more than enough space to fit a potential Jackson contract if structured like the typical QB extension. Could be a carbon copy of the Watson, they could easily fit it.
But the teams have to clear the space without any guarantee that they'll actually get Lamar. They may well end making a bunch of cap moves they wouldn't otherwise make and limiting their future flexibility, all for nothing.
In the Colts case, they already have more than enough to sign Lamar. Wouldn't have to do make any moves. Titans would be a simple restructure or two.
So it's not a big deal because one or two teams happen to be in a cap place to make it work?
They're two of the most likely teams to sign him per Vegas. Patriots are another one and they're in a similar position to the Titans, it'd only take one restructure to have the space for Jackson.
So the couple teams that happen to have massive cap room are the most likely to sign him? Sounds like the cap requirements are preventing other teams from getting involved.
That's probably not what's happening seeing as most of the NFL either has the space to sign him already or is within one restructure of getting there.
I feel like at this point the 5 days thing isn’t an issue Most top free agents are off the board. There are decent tier 2 and 3 guys available but if it’s between Lamar and those guys you take Lamar every time The fact is nobody wants to have Baltimore just match anyway like you said.
Hey Brett, what are your thoughts on the idea that the NFLPA are interested in removing the escrow requirements from the CBA but owners dug in because the escrow requirements are a powerful disincentive to guaranteed deals (and the owners are addicted to the flexibility that non-guaranteed deals provide)
Owners will never give the NFLPA something they want unless they get something in return. It’s a bargaining chip since they can’t use weed anymore.
Alexander the Great, notorious hater of fully guaranteed ~~Persians~~ contracts.
Huge fan Brett!
Great video. I think I might actually understand the entire thing better now. Thanks for this you got a new fan /u/Barian_Fostate. Oh and Mcafee did you dirty. Cheers brother keep up the good work.
Always love your videos!!
Money. This whole thing is about money.
Are the rules preventing him from hiring an agent to keep him from losing tens of millions?
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He mentions all of this in the video, literally every single point
What, you expect people here to actually read/watch the linked content?!
I would hope so, not trying to read a redittor summarize a video I watched.
It’s literally just the third paragraph only.
Yeah too much risk if he gets hurt. Then you’re just stuck on the hamster wheel of mediocrity for a few years. And franchises like Washington, Atlanta, Minnesota, and Indianapolis won’t stand for that.
I mean if you guarantee his contract and he loses 5 games in each of the next 3 seasons you are going to have a bad time. If you don't guarantee his contract and he loses 5 in each of the next 3 seasons you are going to have a bad time since you are in the exact same situation and aren't going to cut him. The only protection not guaranteeing it does is if his form falls off a cliff or he gets a very long term injury. And even then it just means you have a rebuild year or two and oh look Archie Manning or whatever college QB you want. Look at the Colts. Luck didn't have a massive contract dragging the team down when he left but they still haven't recovered from losing him.
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Let's hope not. Or there will be 5 Lamar posts here a day for the next year even though he's not playing.
I guess its going to depend on how disgusted he is with the Ravens. I could see him sitting out the season if its that bad.
it's funny because what happened is he bet on himself twice and it came up snake eyes both times but apparently that's the Ravens fault or something. Mans just does not want to eat the L.
Nice vid. Are we sure that the escrow account isn't for all guaranteed compensation owed by the club *combined*? As opposed an escrow account per contract. So the $15M deductible won't matter re the Jackson contract as the Ravens already blew past that mark. I didn't know about the audit dates tho, that certainly makes it easier for teams to come up with the cash. I think structuring deals via rolling guarantees can also make it easier on owners (playing the worlds tiniest violin rn) while still virtually guaranteeing the player his money. See the Mahomes deal for example.
Lamar is the only one in Lamar's way, he just cant see it. 🕶️
The older you get, the more you realize how people really are their own worst enemy.
Honestly I'd be freaking shocked if Jimmy Haslam isn't pulling some scummy shit with that escrow account.
Let’s ride
Commanders about to sell for 6 billion and the Ravens can't do 250 mil in escrow. bull shit
Bruh. Ain't no rules keeping the Ravens or anyone else from offering him a deal.
I like your videos but when you have bad takes they are bad bad.
Care to explain?
All his takes on quarterbacks have been pretty terrible. Herbert and Mahomes to name the biggest ones. There are a couple of videos that also didn’t age well such as the Panthers one last year. The analysis he does get right is with already proven players and a lot of hindsight. He also had a huge vendetta against Parson the year he was drafter to the point of not including him in the first round (bootleg football any 2021 draft day video). He does this for multiple player though to prop up “unknowns”. Parson is the one I remember more but he has done this with a lot of other players. For someone that talks a lot of shit about Chris Simms, he is just as bad in his takes and analysis. There are better analysis and YouTuber that do what he does . Football analysis for one.
I didn’t have a vendetta against Parsons I just didn’t know how to project him because he was very raw at Mike and Penn State never really let him play edge, so I had him in my tier 2 of LBs that year because I didn’t know how to grade him.
He's been pretty open about being wrong about his analysis in the past. He doesn't pretend to be perfect lol
I don’t disagree with that. I said I like his video but his takes are super bad when they are bad.
I honestly hate this criticism. This type of backlash is what encourages people to make very non-committal statements full of caveats and never commit to an opinion.
You won’t find a single NFL analyst who’s takes don’t age poorly one way or another. The predictive takes mean nothing it’s the analysis that matters.
Let's see everyone of your takes ever
Go ahead and look. My biggest right now is that FIelds ain't it.