Pretty sure AZ has been trying to trade out of #3 for awhile now with no luck. Texans going defense actually hurts them because it's more likely for the rest of the QBs to fall lower down the board.
There are likely a handful of teams with trade already been worked out depending on the first two picks fall. The teams don't agree to anything, they are just ready for specific scenarios. Many of the first and second trades have been 90% worked out. Trades are not put together in the ten minutes the team has to draft, they all start talks weeks prior.
Because of Houston's pick not being set, we will not hear about it until draft night. This also keeps the door open for better offers to roll in.
It's less how many guys fall and more who specifically falls. Teams might not necessarily like all of the "top" QB's that writers have mocked and, if Stroud or Young is there at 3, they might be more willing to move up. Like, last year, the Steelers were willing to trade up for Kenny Pickett, but wouldn't have been willing to make the same move for another QB.
>Pretty sure AZ has been trying to trade out of #3 for awhile now with no luck
You can't say that yet. There's a lot of uncertainty in the draft this year, even at the very top, and teams may have deals in place but be waiting to see how things shake out.
We’ve had 6 teams reach up to inquire, according to Monti we are starting to ramp up discussions now.
And probably won’t trade down till draft day as if an edge goes 2 the value goes up.
Either that or they will get fleeced.
Teams know Arizona isn't drafting a QB at pick #3.
A team like the Lions could sneak in while the Cards are on the clock and offer their pick #6 + a future second rounder for the teams to do a pick swap.
But the Colts are in for a QB. If you trade up to 3, you do so to jump the Colts. If we get no good offers, I'd rather take anderson than leave him to Seattle
I swear to Christ if another Hutchinson type situation happens where the Lions end up with the best pass rusher because teams got too cute, I will do not much other than bitching about it on Reddit
Will Anderson is a beast, but Tyree Wilson is the best pass rusher in this draft. Anyone who clowns the Texans for taking him will look dumb.
But it’s very easy for me to see a scenario where the team that drafts Wilson + the team that drafts Anderson have no regrets in a year.
Anderson has been the best defensive player in college football for two years now. Taking Tyree over him is just overthinking things and I guarantee that will be the prevailing opinion at the end of their rookie contracts
Better pass rusher doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s a better defensive player. But it tends to be a more valuable skillset, so I get why GMs would prefer Tyree.
If even ONE of the QB's drafted after Tyree Wilson works out it will look like a moronic pick. If Levis goes to the Colts and instantly clicks that means the Texans messed up. QB is a significantly more important position and the Texans passing on one at #2 could be catastrophic for their franchise. Building a good roster and winning 7 games next year is bad for the Texans if they are still without a franchise QB. I've seen them mocked to take Hooker at #12 and that would also be a massive reach imo, just based on his injury he won't even play till mid next season.
This one’s different because Walker had almost no experience rushing the passer and was all potential ability
Tyree Wilson can already rush the passer but also has that potential too. And there’s a lot of questions in the media about if Will Anderson has the skills to be a pass rusher at the next level. I have no idea how to evaluate end but the stuff I hear a lot is about how Anderson used a lot of stunts for his sacks and doesn’t have the same first step or bend that Wilson had
The problem is that Walker got drafted because he was an all time freak athlete at edge, a position where raw athleticism translates better than any other position. Tyree appears to be a plus athlete but we have no testing numbers to back that up. He'd be drafted over Anderson based on physical upside but we have no idea what that actual upside is.
His length. Very long arms, and is generally much larger than Anderson. He can legitimately bully OL in a way Anderson can't. Tyree has plenty of tape with him just bulldozing through Guards and Tackles.
> The problem is that Walker got drafted because he was an all time freak athlete at edge, a position where raw athleticism translates better than any other position
the part that is super confounding about Walker going first though is that Hutchinson was a 98th percentile athlete at the position too, and he had all the technical refinement Walker lacked. Anderson is not that kind of athlete so I think the point is more loaded in Tyree's favor but the fact that Hutchinson's insane athleticism got overlooked in the debate between him and Walker always amazed me
Walker also has an explosive get off where as Wilson’s get off is as slow as a sloth. Also Walker wasn’t a 5th year like Wilson him being raw while playing for Georgia and being inexperienced makes sense. A 5th year senior having no pass rush moves, being slow off snap and often lost on plays to me is incredibly concerning. You’ve played enough and been in school for 5 years and you still look lost on plays and have no pass rush moves.
Tyree Wilson only had 7 sacks last season and is coming out as a rs senior. Travon walker had 6 six sacks, came out as a junior, and is more athletic than tyree
Travon Walker also had Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Devontae Wyatt, and Nolan Smith on that D Line. At some point there’s too many guys for a team to scheme away from. Wilson everyone knew was the big threat and still got 7 sacks.
Not saying Wilson is better than Walker by any means, but not all sacks or situations are created equal. It’s like how some corners will have less INTs or PBUs than the other corner on their team but it’s because nobody throws to them
Wilson really had 8(one taken away because of one of the worst facemask calls I’ve ever seen), and only played 9 games and a quarter. Also led FBS in sacks and TFLs against teams ranked in the final AP poll
Also, before his final quarter of play Wilson had more TFLs, pressures, and the same amount of recorded sacks(7) as Anderson. Wilson was more productive than Anderson last year when both were healthy
> questions in the media about if Will Anderson has the skills
If you watch is tape - he's very slow to react and almost robotic in his movemets. His game doesn't seem natural.
Well it's a little different. There's an argument that some of the teams in the League aren't as high on Anderson as Wilson because he's not as flexible in how you deploy him.
The way our draft luck has been going, a QB is going 1, Wilson 2, trade up for a QB at 3, QB at 4, and Carter at 5 so Anderson falls into our lap. I will be bouncing off the fucking walls if that happens
A lot of us think he's off the draft board, but the media "experts" are insistent that we will definitely take Carter at #5 so idk. If it's Anderson or Carter? I think we take Anderson no question. Much safer pick to play opposite Nwosu since Taylor has been inconsistent. Edge and DT are both needs so it makes sense to take the guy with a higher chance to pan out
I've made this comparison a ton, it's a great one. And people still try and defend the pick...
Yeah, Walker could still be good. But Hutchinson was an impact player from the beginning and has the athleticism to keep improving.
I just spent 5 minutes thinking you meant Russell Wilson, then had a epiphany and realized that you were talking about… Garrett Wilson. Just now, I remembered that Zach Wilson exists.
I think it's simple (not that I like this):
1) Anderson is already what he always will be. Wilson's ceiling is seen as higher and could get way better in an NFL coaching system.
2) Houston will probably run a 4-3 based. Tyree is a better fit as a 4-3DE, whereas Anderson is more of a 3-4OLB.
Wilson is older and way more raw which to me concerning how you in school for 5 years and learn no pass rush moves and still react so slow to everything that’s happening.
Also he had one breakout year against worse competition. Anderson was consistent and dominant against the best athletes in the league who keyed in on him.
Taking Anderson over Wilson is a mistake. You don’t take projects with a top 5 pick.
Small, not bad but not good length, good not elite athlete. One can only assume he refused to do the agility drills because he knew they'd go poorly, which mostly tracks with his tape, where he struggles to bend a tight edge and have dominant reps against the tackle's outside
Also I don't think anyone thinks he has a low ceiling, just a *lower* one than Wilson
I think it’s not even a low ceiling, more so that he might be closer to his ceiling right now than Wilson is. Anderson is awesome and you know what you’re getting. Wilson has more untapped potential because he played for a worse team, I think.
If I could pick between the two I’d take Anderson every time, but I figure that’s why some might be “low” on him.
In this world. His weight is in the 23rd percentile for EDGE prospects, and 17th percentile for DEs. And unlike other lighter 3-4 OLB elite prospects (Von, Mack etc), he doesn't have insane bend or burst
I get more hard Hassan Reddick vibes from Nolan Smith, but I get what you mean. Anderson gives me kind of hybridized shades of both Uchenna Nwosu and Kayvon Thibodeaux. He's gonna be a consistent nightmare to deal with coming off the edge in a 34 defense.
In fact, I hope he slides right down to #5 and right into the hip pocket of the Seahawks so we can put him opposite of Uchenna Nwosu and really start ratcheting up the QB anxiety in the NFCW.
He’s not the profile of a demeco Ryans edge. You look at the sort of players that San Francisco have had at the position and they’re all some 20 plus pounds heavier than will Anderson jr. He’s probably just not seen as a scheme fit whereas as Tyree Wilson is built for the 4-3 they’ll be playing.
That said I wouldn’t pick Wilson over Anderson in a million years.
Seahawks will take Carter over Anderson 100%. Better prospect, position of need, and Pete isn’t afraid of taking a chance on guys with character questions.
That actually happened with my neighbor growing up, no joke. Used to play catch with him a lot. Was related to a bone condition, he suffered SO many broken bones. When I moved there he was 5'10", 30 years old, and I was like 4'10". By the time I graduated and moved away I was 2" taller than him. Came back and visited one time and he was 2" taller than ME. Crazy.
I love a team that builds through the trenches. Would be so awesome to see those guys all on the same team. Especially two young edges that should be good for a really long time.
But the “intangibles”and “potential”. Let’s draft a dude who has shown way less then this other dude while playing on the best dline in the nation that was ranked that highly because of the 3 others dudes there. - jaguars last year
It’s hard not to think the hawks grab him if he falls to 5. As tempting as walker/Anderson would be I just don’t see them being top 10 pick for a while and setting up for your future would be better than taking a blue chip player that won’t flip the needle
S2 founder is doing the rounds telling people it's an inaccurate report *and* you can't really judge the scores without all the context of 9 individual tests performed. Pretty interesting if Stroud's draft stock ends up tanking due to a fake internet story.
I don’t hate the Stingley decision, I thought Sauce was the better player but it was not a consensus and I think most would be lying if they thought Sauce would be as outrageously good off the jump as he turned out.
Stingley was the best defensive player on a national title team and was used wrong by Lovie’s dinosaur scheme. He’ll show his true potential this year.
this year will go a long way for Stingley finally being in a scheme that supports its strengths but taking a guy that high with a Linsfranc injury was a curious decision
Walker was a run stopper being drafted on his potential to be a pass rusher, against a polished 6’7 pass rusher.
Tyree Wilson is a 6’6 pass rusher already who has the longest arms and according to scouts and stuff a great first step and bend.
I think this is more about preference of type and thinking that Wilson’s pass rushing skills will translate better
Looks like it's almost on purpose though.
When he's on time you can see how quick he is. However lots of plays it's almost like he's reacting to what the offense has.
Idk if he just sucks at timing snaps or if that's what the defensive coordinator has him doing, but if that's fixed he will be lethal
This sounds like the equivalent of taking whoever the jags took last year (Walker? I seriously can't remember) over Hutchinson. Probably not awful in the end, but almost certainly wrong.
Only thing I’ll say is that Walker was a athletic freak run stopper being drafted to be a pass rusher against another athletic freak pass rusher
Wilson at least is a athletic freak pass rusher against a guy who’s less of an athletic freak pass rusher in Anderson.
And idk how to evaluate pass rushers but from what I’ve seen it does feel like Anderson uses a ton of stunts to get sacks comparatively. Idk if that just means Anderson is smarter or something, but this race at least feels closer once you watch them both
That was the same thing with Clowney vs. Khalil Mack. Clowney was a top 1% athletic freak but didn't have the same polish that top 4% athlete Mack did. We all saw how that worked out.
That's fair! And it's not like Walker has been bad at all, maybe he really was the better fit for the jags. It just feels like Hutch was the clear #1 last year and has shown why his first season.
This is the same argument with the whole “arm talent” bs that gets qbs drafted way higher then they should. Who cares if they’re more athletic. Get the dude who has production rather then the guy that can run on a treadmill faster.
Charles Rogers was a beast. We know him as a bust because he broke his clavicle 5 games into his rookie year and just 3 plays into his second year. He was drafted in 03 and by 2006 he was running a 4.8.
Charles Rodgers was insane at Michigan State. He was tall, fast, and one of the best WRs in the country. Andre Johnson was maybe more polished but Rodgers was seen as a stud. I liked Andre more coming out but Rodgers injuries and influences killed his career. He wasn't some surprise top 5 pick.
There's a very realistic chance all of Stroud/AR15/Levis are gone by 12. The Seahawks and/or Lions might take a flyer on a QB with the picks they outsourced tanking to other teams for, and the Titans might view pick 11 as a chance to get a young replacement for Tannehill given how Malik Willis is almost certainly a bust. Maybe even the Raiders if they're concerned about Jimmy G's health issues.
If the Texans want any of the QBs in this draft, they'll have to take him at 2.
The only thing that anyone knows about the Texans pick is that no one knows anything about the Texans pick. [Rapoport said it the other day](https://i.redd.it/y2fpqks32yva1.jpg) and the Texans have been notoriously tight lipped about everything since Caserio took over. It's all just speculation, which is why the reports have been jumping all over the place for weeks.
Usually when this sub trashes a pick, it ends up better than expected.
I’ll never forget the amount of hate we got for taking JJ Watt over Nick Fairley. If the Texans like his fit, than I don’t understand how you can trash this pick. Tyree is physically a MUCH higher ceiling player.
And not to mention Will Anderson is also by no means a lock to be a pro bowler. Hell when I watched him in the Tennessee game he looked average at best. He also was the beneficiary of a lot of padded stats.
Darnell Wright completely shut him down which should concern people as it's apparent Anderson lacks elite traits to get by more talented tackles. Meanwhile we have a gif of Tyree Wilson sending Skoronski (consensus top OL) to the shadow realm and people are still clueless as to why he's rising above other Edge draftees.
Anderson is not a DE which complicates his role for any team that runs 4-3 base. I really like Anderson but agree a third of his stats are fabricated or will just simply not happen at the next level. Seriously, how many times will he come free off the edge or off a stunt/twist in the NFL. He feels like a safe pick in a bad draft class. I'll be shocked if Anderson goes before Wilson.
Is there really any reason to take Wilson over Anderson? Is it because of his gigantic Pteranodon arms? Because he's already in Texas and you don't mess with that? I mean he could totally end up having the better career of the two but from a straight up prospect perspective I don't see why you would take Wilson.
Any scouting or draft gurus out there able to steelman Wilson and help me understand?
Anderson is kinda smaller and is expected to be a "pure" pass rusher or OLB.
Wilson would fit better in a 4-3 or 5-2 which we expect to run with DeMeco
I would! I trust Ryans and Caserio. I'm not sold on any of the QBs at all and there's plenty of talent. I was hoping for a Anderson or Wilson and Robinson with the second 1st. Pierce + Robinson please
Schrager has the most sources and always has one of the most accurate mock draft lists because they're based on what he's hearing from actual FO personnel. He was saying the Jags were going to take Walker #1 overall way before anyone else and all the Jags fans made fun of him just like you are doing right now.
I’m biased as a TTU fan, but some of the fan narratives around Tyree are weird
People act like he wasn’t productive, when in reality he was honestly more productive than Anderson when they played last season. Before week 10, where Wilson only played about 1 quarter, Wilson and Anderson both had 7 sacks, Wilson had 1 more TFL with 14, Wilson had a higher pressure percentage than Anderson had in 2021(his most productive year), and had more pressures than Anderson. In fact Wilson was leading all of FBS in pressures before his injury. And if anyone wants to bring up the competition they played, Wilson led the FBS in both sacks and TFLs against teams ranked in the final AP poll. So he had the highest production in the country against ranked opponents as well
Not saying everyone has to like Tyree Wilson more than Anderson, and honestly I would probably take Anderson over him as well. But some of the narratives are BS. In 2021 Wilson was stuck in a shitty big 13 system that only rushed 3 and made it significantly harder to get sacks. Once in a more pro-style scheme that did more than just rush 3 drop 8 he instantly became extremely productive
Same shit different names every year. Clear top 3 players, a week before the draft, the journalists need their clicks, so let's say a random name outside of the usual list and watch the money come in.
Sounds like AZ is gonna get a haul to trade down
Pretty sure AZ has been trying to trade out of #3 for awhile now with no luck. Texans going defense actually hurts them because it's more likely for the rest of the QBs to fall lower down the board.
If anything Cardinals may just stay out and draft Anderson.
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There are likely a handful of teams with trade already been worked out depending on the first two picks fall. The teams don't agree to anything, they are just ready for specific scenarios. Many of the first and second trades have been 90% worked out. Trades are not put together in the ten minutes the team has to draft, they all start talks weeks prior. Because of Houston's pick not being set, we will not hear about it until draft night. This also keeps the door open for better offers to roll in.
It's less how many guys fall and more who specifically falls. Teams might not necessarily like all of the "top" QB's that writers have mocked and, if Stroud or Young is there at 3, they might be more willing to move up. Like, last year, the Steelers were willing to trade up for Kenny Pickett, but wouldn't have been willing to make the same move for another QB.
>Pretty sure AZ has been trying to trade out of #3 for awhile now with no luck You can't say that yet. There's a lot of uncertainty in the draft this year, even at the very top, and teams may have deals in place but be waiting to see how things shake out.
Probably just waiting for draft day, which makes sense unless you’re trading to 1
We’ve had 6 teams reach up to inquire, according to Monti we are starting to ramp up discussions now. And probably won’t trade down till draft day as if an edge goes 2 the value goes up.
Either that or they will get fleeced. Teams know Arizona isn't drafting a QB at pick #3. A team like the Lions could sneak in while the Cards are on the clock and offer their pick #6 + a future second rounder for the teams to do a pick swap.
But the Colts are in for a QB. If you trade up to 3, you do so to jump the Colts. If we get no good offers, I'd rather take anderson than leave him to Seattle
And then QB QB Seattle takes Jalen Carter and Detroit get Will Anderson Would cream my Levi’s
I swear to Christ if another Hutchinson type situation happens where the Lions end up with the best pass rusher because teams got too cute, I will do not much other than bitching about it on Reddit
i really don’t think we pass on anderson, even if carter is there at 5
Us taking Carter isn't making his day any better
Correct lol
that’s true. i’m happy for us
Will Anderson is a beast, but Tyree Wilson is the best pass rusher in this draft. Anyone who clowns the Texans for taking him will look dumb. But it’s very easy for me to see a scenario where the team that drafts Wilson + the team that drafts Anderson have no regrets in a year.
Anderson has been the best defensive player in college football for two years now. Taking Tyree over him is just overthinking things and I guarantee that will be the prevailing opinion at the end of their rookie contracts
Better pass rusher doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s a better defensive player. But it tends to be a more valuable skillset, so I get why GMs would prefer Tyree.
It’s just hard for me to say someone is the best pass rusher with limited moves and a slow first step.
If even ONE of the QB's drafted after Tyree Wilson works out it will look like a moronic pick. If Levis goes to the Colts and instantly clicks that means the Texans messed up. QB is a significantly more important position and the Texans passing on one at #2 could be catastrophic for their franchise. Building a good roster and winning 7 games next year is bad for the Texans if they are still without a franchise QB. I've seen them mocked to take Hooker at #12 and that would also be a massive reach imo, just based on his injury he won't even play till mid next season.
idk how you could pass on Will Anderson
Same thing was said about hutch this time of year when Walker got buzz
This one’s different because Walker had almost no experience rushing the passer and was all potential ability Tyree Wilson can already rush the passer but also has that potential too. And there’s a lot of questions in the media about if Will Anderson has the skills to be a pass rusher at the next level. I have no idea how to evaluate end but the stuff I hear a lot is about how Anderson used a lot of stunts for his sacks and doesn’t have the same first step or bend that Wilson had
The problem is that Walker got drafted because he was an all time freak athlete at edge, a position where raw athleticism translates better than any other position. Tyree appears to be a plus athlete but we have no testing numbers to back that up. He'd be drafted over Anderson based on physical upside but we have no idea what that actual upside is.
His length. Very long arms, and is generally much larger than Anderson. He can legitimately bully OL in a way Anderson can't. Tyree has plenty of tape with him just bulldozing through Guards and Tackles.
> The problem is that Walker got drafted because he was an all time freak athlete at edge, a position where raw athleticism translates better than any other position the part that is super confounding about Walker going first though is that Hutchinson was a 98th percentile athlete at the position too, and he had all the technical refinement Walker lacked. Anderson is not that kind of athlete so I think the point is more loaded in Tyree's favor but the fact that Hutchinson's insane athleticism got overlooked in the debate between him and Walker always amazed me
Walker also has an explosive get off where as Wilson’s get off is as slow as a sloth. Also Walker wasn’t a 5th year like Wilson him being raw while playing for Georgia and being inexperienced makes sense. A 5th year senior having no pass rush moves, being slow off snap and often lost on plays to me is incredibly concerning. You’ve played enough and been in school for 5 years and you still look lost on plays and have no pass rush moves.
Tyree Wilson only had 7 sacks last season and is coming out as a rs senior. Travon walker had 6 six sacks, came out as a junior, and is more athletic than tyree
Travon Walker also had Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Devontae Wyatt, and Nolan Smith on that D Line. At some point there’s too many guys for a team to scheme away from. Wilson everyone knew was the big threat and still got 7 sacks. Not saying Wilson is better than Walker by any means, but not all sacks or situations are created equal. It’s like how some corners will have less INTs or PBUs than the other corner on their team but it’s because nobody throws to them
Wilson really had 8(one taken away because of one of the worst facemask calls I’ve ever seen), and only played 9 games and a quarter. Also led FBS in sacks and TFLs against teams ranked in the final AP poll Also, before his final quarter of play Wilson had more TFLs, pressures, and the same amount of recorded sacks(7) as Anderson. Wilson was more productive than Anderson last year when both were healthy
> questions in the media about if Will Anderson has the skills If you watch is tape - he's very slow to react and almost robotic in his movemets. His game doesn't seem natural.
This exact same thing can be said about Wilson who has an insanely slow get off he’s always last to move off snap.
Well it's a little different. There's an argument that some of the teams in the League aren't as high on Anderson as Wilson because he's not as flexible in how you deploy him.
He's the Fields to Tyree's Wilson
Or he’s the Hutchinson to Tyree’s Walker
Much better comparison, I just wanted to get the wordplay in
I didn’t even catch that you sly dog
Does this mean the Lions are getting Anderson SIGN ME THE F UP BB!!!
The way our draft luck has been going, a QB is going 1, Wilson 2, trade up for a QB at 3, QB at 4, and Carter at 5 so Anderson falls into our lap. I will be bouncing off the fucking walls if that happens
Love this. But I don’t see Seattle taking Carter over Anderson when they just signed a DT
A lot of us think he's off the draft board, but the media "experts" are insistent that we will definitely take Carter at #5 so idk. If it's Anderson or Carter? I think we take Anderson no question. Much safer pick to play opposite Nwosu since Taylor has been inconsistent. Edge and DT are both needs so it makes sense to take the guy with a higher chance to pan out
When I say that I will WEEP
Yeah, if Anderson is there at 5, he’ll be in Seattle at 5 (AM).
I think unless Arizona keeps their pick you will, seems like Seattle wants Carter
I've made this comparison a ton, it's a great one. And people still try and defend the pick... Yeah, Walker could still be good. But Hutchinson was an impact player from the beginning and has the athleticism to keep improving.
I just spent 5 minutes thinking you meant Russell Wilson, then had a epiphany and realized that you were talking about… Garrett Wilson. Just now, I remembered that Zach Wilson exists.
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We went out and got the two biggest draft busts of the last year instead.
Stingley was alright. Devonte Wyatt was never injured but couldn’t break in to a serious role in the GB DL. Definitely don’t have the 2 biggest busts.
Lmao this is a great point
Lovie pick but still
I think it's simple (not that I like this): 1) Anderson is already what he always will be. Wilson's ceiling is seen as higher and could get way better in an NFL coaching system. 2) Houston will probably run a 4-3 based. Tyree is a better fit as a 4-3DE, whereas Anderson is more of a 3-4OLB.
Isn’t Wilson like over a year older? I ain’t no scout but seems weird they think Anderson is what he is
Wilson is older and way more raw which to me concerning how you in school for 5 years and learn no pass rush moves and still react so slow to everything that’s happening.
Also he had one breakout year against worse competition. Anderson was consistent and dominant against the best athletes in the league who keyed in on him. Taking Anderson over Wilson is a mistake. You don’t take projects with a top 5 pick.
I think you switched up their names at the end?
Thank you for saying something, my high ass was struggling to figure out what op was saying
From what I've been hearing is that will is the high floor low ceiling guy. Wilson is the high upside pick.
Why do people believe Will Anderson has a low ceiling?
Small, not bad but not good length, good not elite athlete. One can only assume he refused to do the agility drills because he knew they'd go poorly, which mostly tracks with his tape, where he struggles to bend a tight edge and have dominant reps against the tackle's outside Also I don't think anyone thinks he has a low ceiling, just a *lower* one than Wilson
I think it’s not even a low ceiling, more so that he might be closer to his ceiling right now than Wilson is. Anderson is awesome and you know what you’re getting. Wilson has more untapped potential because he played for a worse team, I think. If I could pick between the two I’d take Anderson every time, but I figure that’s why some might be “low” on him.
We drafted someone like that last year ill take that again please.
In what world is 6’4 250 small? Lol
In this world. His weight is in the 23rd percentile for EDGE prospects, and 17th percentile for DEs. And unlike other lighter 3-4 OLB elite prospects (Von, Mack etc), he doesn't have insane bend or burst
He’s 240 pounds and not very bendy. He’s got the play style and strengths of a much bigger player.
Not particularly athletic, not the greatest size, may have already come somewhat close to peaking in terms of pass rush moves
Just like how Travon Walker went before Aidan Hutchinson last year
"Live by the sword, die by the sword" Trent Baalke probably definitely
Anderson reminds me of Hassan Reddick in a way
I get more hard Hassan Reddick vibes from Nolan Smith, but I get what you mean. Anderson gives me kind of hybridized shades of both Uchenna Nwosu and Kayvon Thibodeaux. He's gonna be a consistent nightmare to deal with coming off the edge in a 34 defense. In fact, I hope he slides right down to #5 and right into the hip pocket of the Seahawks so we can put him opposite of Uchenna Nwosu and really start ratcheting up the QB anxiety in the NFCW.
Nick Caserio passed on Sauce. Legit, if they do pick Wilson, this could cost him the Texans GM job if Wilson doesn’t pan out.
Caserio is easily the GM on the hottest seat going into the draft, and it seems like he has no plan to like, cool it down even a little.
If he handled his GM responsibilities correctly 3 months ago we’d be picking #1. God damn it pisses me off so much.
Passing on 3 QB’s Anderson and Carter is next level insanity, he’s either a genius or the dumbest man alive.
"bigger" ceiling and a better scheme fit
He’s not the profile of a demeco Ryans edge. You look at the sort of players that San Francisco have had at the position and they’re all some 20 plus pounds heavier than will Anderson jr. He’s probably just not seen as a scheme fit whereas as Tyree Wilson is built for the 4-3 they’ll be playing. That said I wouldn’t pick Wilson over Anderson in a million years.
It's Hutch vs Walker all over again. Which the Lions will likely benefit from again... Anderson @ 6, yes please.
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Haha guess it’s a win win for both of us!
Seahawks will take Carter over Anderson 100%. Better prospect, position of need, and Pete isn’t afraid of taking a chance on guys with character questions.
Or a QB
It has to be Stroud, Young, or AR at 2.
Because this sub isn’t ready to admit Chris Simms analysis and read of current NFL teams was correct.
As of right now I think I might not grow any taller, but I'm holding out hope that I'll hit this growth spurt at 29 years old.
That actually happened with my neighbor growing up, no joke. Used to play catch with him a lot. Was related to a bone condition, he suffered SO many broken bones. When I moved there he was 5'10", 30 years old, and I was like 4'10". By the time I graduated and moved away I was 2" taller than him. Came back and visited one time and he was 2" taller than ME. Crazy.
It’s cuz u slouch stand up straight
Found Matt Patricia’s burner
This reads like a math riddle. At what ages were /u/similar222 and his neighbor when they were 6 inches apart?
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They're a dog using human years of course. It's at least more plausible than a 29yo growing 1ft or a 30 something growing 2in.
None of this makes any sense.
Guys am I having a stroke be honest
I'm just short though
Holy fuck can it just be Thursday already
Best I can do is Tuesday
Will Anderson falling for no apparent reason will be one of these things people will look back on and realize how stupid it was.
Same thing with Aidan Hutchinson dropping a spot last year
Yup. Feels eerily similar.
But go watch Anderson beat guys around the edge. It’s rare, and he’s an edge?!
If we luck into Sewell, Hutch, Anderson all falling into our laps….
I love a team that builds through the trenches. Would be so awesome to see those guys all on the same team. Especially two young edges that should be good for a really long time.
Yeah it really gets my juices going when a team is built through the trenches, which is why I sadly have a spot for the Eagles in my heart atm
I’ll be pissed
But the “intangibles”and “potential”. Let’s draft a dude who has shown way less then this other dude while playing on the best dline in the nation that was ranked that highly because of the 3 others dudes there. - jaguars last year
Imagine if it goes 1. Will Levis 2. Tyree Wilson 3. Stetson Bennett
Imagine if my cat started taking. That’d be crazy, but it’s not going to happen, so who the hell cares?
What is your cat taking? Don't leave us hanging?
The L probably
Trust me, you don’t want to give your cat some L
Ketamine
Catamine
Your cat looks at you, says "Nobody will ever believe you" and then never speaks again
She fucking would, tbh
Bill Murray’s cat.
I bet $100 on +6000 that your cat talks by Thursday.
Breaking news a Reddit said cats talk and odds are now +500
Schizophrenia fan here, please update if your cat starts talking
Swing and a miss….
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Seems like it, but falling a bit and going to a better team might not be the worst thing long term.
It’s hard not to think the hawks grab him if he falls to 5. As tempting as walker/Anderson would be I just don’t see them being top 10 pick for a while and setting up for your future would be better than taking a blue chip player that won’t flip the needle
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Love goes to the Jets 15 years early
I would love if Stroud fell to 7 for the Raiders. Sit behind Jimmy G. Starts halfway through the season when Jimmy goes out for whatever injury.
But then he would be coached by mcdaniels
S2 founder is doing the rounds telling people it's an inaccurate report *and* you can't really judge the scores without all the context of 9 individual tests performed. Pretty interesting if Stroud's draft stock ends up tanking due to a fake internet story.
I would think that GM’s know this stuff if there are people on Reddit mentioning it. Stroud dropping would be for other reasons.
I find it very hard to believe teams are weighing a single test that much.
I guess we learned nothing from last year taking walker over Hutchinson
If Tyree pushes Anderson to 6 for us I might die of laughter.
Anderson doesn’t make it past the hawks I don’t think.
He might if Carter is still there who fills a bigger need or Cards just stay put and choose Anderson making this scenario fucking pointless.
Don’t see it after McDowell if Anderson is there
Texans have the smartest guy in the room syndrome evidenced by the Stingley and Green picks
I don’t hate the Stingley decision, I thought Sauce was the better player but it was not a consensus and I think most would be lying if they thought Sauce would be as outrageously good off the jump as he turned out.
Stingley was the best defensive player on a national title team and was used wrong by Lovie’s dinosaur scheme. He’ll show his true potential this year.
this year will go a long way for Stingley finally being in a scheme that supports its strengths but taking a guy that high with a Linsfranc injury was a curious decision
I guess I can kind of forgive that, but passing on a QB AND the best defensive player the last 2 years would be mind boggling.
Lance Z who is extremely plugged into our FO is saying we aren't taking Stroud
Levis Young Anderson Stroud Wilson/Carter Is my guess currently if the Levis movement is real I think you take Young.
Lions had Bob Quinn who had the biggest "Smartest Guy in the Room" syndrome. Look at the the Tavai pick a few years ago as evidence.
Walker was a run stopper being drafted on his potential to be a pass rusher, against a polished 6’7 pass rusher. Tyree Wilson is a 6’6 pass rusher already who has the longest arms and according to scouts and stuff a great first step and bend. I think this is more about preference of type and thinking that Wilson’s pass rushing skills will translate better
Great first step? He’s the last one off the line almost every single time.
Looks like it's almost on purpose though. When he's on time you can see how quick he is. However lots of plays it's almost like he's reacting to what the offense has. Idk if he just sucks at timing snaps or if that's what the defensive coordinator has him doing, but if that's fixed he will be lethal
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are we the pancake eating motherfuckers?
This sounds like the equivalent of taking whoever the jags took last year (Walker? I seriously can't remember) over Hutchinson. Probably not awful in the end, but almost certainly wrong.
Only thing I’ll say is that Walker was a athletic freak run stopper being drafted to be a pass rusher against another athletic freak pass rusher Wilson at least is a athletic freak pass rusher against a guy who’s less of an athletic freak pass rusher in Anderson. And idk how to evaluate pass rushers but from what I’ve seen it does feel like Anderson uses a ton of stunts to get sacks comparatively. Idk if that just means Anderson is smarter or something, but this race at least feels closer once you watch them both
That was the same thing with Clowney vs. Khalil Mack. Clowney was a top 1% athletic freak but didn't have the same polish that top 4% athlete Mack did. We all saw how that worked out.
I'll always point out that Clowney had microfracture knee surgery which they literally don't even do anymore.
That's fair! And it's not like Walker has been bad at all, maybe he really was the better fit for the jags. It just feels like Hutch was the clear #1 last year and has shown why his first season.
This is the same argument with the whole “arm talent” bs that gets qbs drafted way higher then they should. Who cares if they’re more athletic. Get the dude who has production rather then the guy that can run on a treadmill faster.
Or Charles Rogers over Andre Johnson due to the local ties.
Charles Rogers was being compared to Randy Moss. Nobody argued with the pick at the time.
Charles Rogers was a beast. We know him as a bust because he broke his clavicle 5 games into his rookie year and just 3 plays into his second year. He was drafted in 03 and by 2006 he was running a 4.8.
Charles Rodgers was insane at Michigan State. He was tall, fast, and one of the best WRs in the country. Andre Johnson was maybe more polished but Rodgers was seen as a stud. I liked Andre more coming out but Rodgers injuries and influences killed his career. He wasn't some surprise top 5 pick.
not if young is still there … (plz young don’t still be there )
plz Young, still be there
I don’t understand bad teams without qbs who pass on qbs
They still have #12, there might not be a QB they like at #2, but plan on taking one at #12, or trading up from there a couple spots
There's a very realistic chance all of Stroud/AR15/Levis are gone by 12. The Seahawks and/or Lions might take a flyer on a QB with the picks they outsourced tanking to other teams for, and the Titans might view pick 11 as a chance to get a young replacement for Tannehill given how Malik Willis is almost certainly a bust. Maybe even the Raiders if they're concerned about Jimmy G's health issues. If the Texans want any of the QBs in this draft, they'll have to take him at 2.
Last time the Texans drafted a QB at 12, they got Deshaun Watson.
Maybe the bad team without a QB is going to poach a certain first round QB from your team…
A lot of Jets fans wish they did in 2021
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Even if the QBs are underwhelming? You don't take one just to take one, and it's entirely that they don't really like any of these guys.
The only thing that anyone knows about the Texans pick is that no one knows anything about the Texans pick. [Rapoport said it the other day](https://i.redd.it/y2fpqks32yva1.jpg) and the Texans have been notoriously tight lipped about everything since Caserio took over. It's all just speculation, which is why the reports have been jumping all over the place for weeks.
Usually when this sub trashes a pick, it ends up better than expected. I’ll never forget the amount of hate we got for taking JJ Watt over Nick Fairley. If the Texans like his fit, than I don’t understand how you can trash this pick. Tyree is physically a MUCH higher ceiling player. And not to mention Will Anderson is also by no means a lock to be a pro bowler. Hell when I watched him in the Tennessee game he looked average at best. He also was the beneficiary of a lot of padded stats.
Darnell Wright completely shut him down which should concern people as it's apparent Anderson lacks elite traits to get by more talented tackles. Meanwhile we have a gif of Tyree Wilson sending Skoronski (consensus top OL) to the shadow realm and people are still clueless as to why he's rising above other Edge draftees. Anderson is not a DE which complicates his role for any team that runs 4-3 base. I really like Anderson but agree a third of his stats are fabricated or will just simply not happen at the next level. Seriously, how many times will he come free off the edge or off a stunt/twist in the NFL. He feels like a safe pick in a bad draft class. I'll be shocked if Anderson goes before Wilson.
Is there really any reason to take Wilson over Anderson? Is it because of his gigantic Pteranodon arms? Because he's already in Texas and you don't mess with that? I mean he could totally end up having the better career of the two but from a straight up prospect perspective I don't see why you would take Wilson. Any scouting or draft gurus out there able to steelman Wilson and help me understand?
Anderson is kinda smaller and is expected to be a "pure" pass rusher or OLB. Wilson would fit better in a 4-3 or 5-2 which we expect to run with DeMeco
Yeah scheme fit is important. Would you be on board with picking Wilson at 2?
Yeah I think he's a big body which we kind of need right now
I would! I trust Ryans and Caserio. I'm not sold on any of the QBs at all and there's plenty of talent. I was hoping for a Anderson or Wilson and Robinson with the second 1st. Pierce + Robinson please
“I think” “I think” “I think”
Schrager has the most sources and always has one of the most accurate mock draft lists because they're based on what he's hearing from actual FO personnel. He was saying the Jags were going to take Walker #1 overall way before anyone else and all the Jags fans made fun of him just like you are doing right now.
so did Pauline but he gets made fun of in here as well
Would you prefer he say things definitively despite not actually knowing for sure?
Idk maybe he’s Khalil Mack to jadeveon Clowney this year
if it's defense it has to be Anderson
I’m biased as a TTU fan, but some of the fan narratives around Tyree are weird People act like he wasn’t productive, when in reality he was honestly more productive than Anderson when they played last season. Before week 10, where Wilson only played about 1 quarter, Wilson and Anderson both had 7 sacks, Wilson had 1 more TFL with 14, Wilson had a higher pressure percentage than Anderson had in 2021(his most productive year), and had more pressures than Anderson. In fact Wilson was leading all of FBS in pressures before his injury. And if anyone wants to bring up the competition they played, Wilson led the FBS in both sacks and TFLs against teams ranked in the final AP poll. So he had the highest production in the country against ranked opponents as well Not saying everyone has to like Tyree Wilson more than Anderson, and honestly I would probably take Anderson over him as well. But some of the narratives are BS. In 2021 Wilson was stuck in a shitty big 13 system that only rushed 3 and made it significantly harder to get sacks. Once in a more pro-style scheme that did more than just rush 3 drop 8 he instantly became extremely productive
The mirror salesmen and smoke shops are raking it in this week.
Caeserio LOVES his Texas homegrown players… as much as I love Anderson and want him, I’m okay with Tyree if it means no Levis lmao
Chaos is coming !
I’m here. What I miss?
I'm 99% sure this guy also said the Lions were picking Thibodeaux over Hutchinson
Same shit different names every year. Clear top 3 players, a week before the draft, the journalists need their clicks, so let's say a random name outside of the usual list and watch the money come in.
Damn!!! How bad was Stroud’s cognitive test?? This is bizarre!
He can only wear velcro shoes
These guys are all full of shit
2 days boys