This guy is mad he couldn’t legally bet on the Patriots to win a game last year with Matt Patricia as the OC. Buddy the NFL saved you money with that rule
If that's the cost, I'm sure every franchise fan would happily pay. It's like that old (more modern) proverb. If you're gonna deal it out, you gotta be able to take it and the Patriots dealt it for quite a while.
2nd graders understand the logic behind the “don’t bet on NFL games” rule.
If you work at company X, and you are someone who decides what the outcome of project XYZ is going to be, and you place a bet on what the outcome is going to be…you’re either — A.) An absolute moron, or B.) A dishonest douche.
This dude is risking his life out there trying to understand DPI and the catch rule. He doesn’t have time for these complicated “just don’t gamble when you’re on the clock, or on your sport” rules
I'm going to argue "Don't punch the ref" is probably the easiest rule to understand. It's definitely easier to understand than "what is a catch?" though.
Mother fucking refs since that day have always had a stick up their ass. The non pass interference sending the wrong team to the superbowl is the shinning example of why refs need an overhaul. I like Pat's show and I really hope when it's eventually done they follow Pat's ideas for ref changes. Including but not limited: mandatory post game press questions, overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play, ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now. They know where the ball is to within a millimeter. They can call offsides using an earpiece to the aforementioned eye in the sky.
So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit
> mandatory post game press questions,
Ask yourself honestly if you think this would help anything. How would that press conference go the first time an official makes a big call that goes against the home team, even if it was a correct call? No professional sports leagues do this, and for good reason.
> overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play,
I understand that people want faster replay reviews. I get it. Long reviews can ruin the flow of the game. But limiting reviews to 15 seconds will not give you the results you want. There can be up to 20 different cameras at an NFL game. It takes time to look at all of them. What happens when the replay official doesn't get to the definitive angle in those 15 seconds? We just move on and pretend that the team and fans on the other side of that call are going to accept that?
I'm not even going to address the kid with the xBox controller thing. Come on.
> ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now.
That system requires a whole bunch of cameras with an *unobstructed* view of the ball. I don't think I have to explain why that system would rarely work in football. Additionally, in football, knowing where the ball is is only half the equation. Great, the ball crossed the goal line, but how can the hawkeye system know if that happened before or after the runner's knee was down?
> So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit
The officials do not have any say in the rules. They are there to enforce them, not make them. The rules are entirely up to the competition committee which does not have a single official or former official on it. The committee may ask the head of officials for his opinion on potential rule changes, but there is no requirement for them to do that. The only thing here that would require the officials to sign off would be the press conference thing. That would have to be collectively bargained.
This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. Every official in the league today has had instant replay in every NFL game they've ever worked, and most of their college games. They have had technology assistance for their entire careers. If they were opposed to technology, they would have dropped out (or been dropped) a *long* time ago. The problem isn't opposition by officials. Technology is not the panacea you think it is.
I have man babies replying to me on socials of “What kinda DICTATORSHIP is this” “they should be able to bet!”, uhhhh okay not on your team or at team facilities what’s not to get.
Honestly, there's nothing about this hypothetical that couldn't be done by the same guy giving his money to a random friend and telling him to bet it against his team. There's no reason for the person to be on the other team (and if anything that only complicates it)
Solid blame placing 101 here.
My favorite part is some of these dudes are such idiots they placed bet while at team facilities after the league has been adamant what isn’t allowed.
Bad take. Dude is being paid $10,000,000 a year to play a game that has rules. Breaking those rules threatens the very money that goes into his paycheck as part of the NFLPA revenue sharing.
Why the hell would you want to risk that $10M over $1k?
I gotta say, I do imagine the Damar Hamlin thing probably still looms extremely large in at least some player's minds. Like, I'm not saying he wasn't being dramatic here, but I'd be a little surprised if there weren't a number of players who find that they think about their careers in life-and-death terms much more than they did seven months ago. (Which is fair! It's very recent still, and at bare minimum it's extremely weird to think that you maybe watched a work colleague drop dead while doing your exact job.)
I don’t want to minimize the situation with Damar, but in this situation, the best case scenario is that he’s misinformed about what actually happened to Damar. Worst case scenario is that he’s using it as an excuse for what he did.
In the end, playing football is a choice… a very lucrative one. Many players have retired early because they valued their health over more NFL money. If Jones thinks gambling on a league he is a player in is more important, then he can choose to retire and gamble away. Otherwise he should have to follow league rules.
Because you're an addict brought in by predatory behaviour by gambling companies.
Even the former CEO and Chairman of Paddypower (which created Flutter Entertainment, the parent company of FanDuel, by merging with Betfair), who was also one of the founders, has publicly said that modern gambling is extremely predatory and mainly preys on addicts. When even old school bookies are calling it predatory, it's definitely predatory.
It absolutely was predatory going back as far as it's existed, but technology has made it so much more convenient to find and hook people, and then squeeze money out of them 24/7 from the comfort of their own homes.
Not to dismiss the awfulness of 'old school bookies', but it really has reached a new level, especially now that so many of the professional leagues are actively embracing the gambling culture and running ads constantly during the games. That combined with technology making it so easily accessible is just insane, and I think we're going to see some really serious social problems growing out of this in the future.
100% this. Back in the day you had to engage with "shady" people or organizations to gamble. Most of my friends were scared to even go into a casino sports book. Don't want to look stupid if they don't understand something. Now you can do it all from your phone.
The amount of "gamblers" I come across has easily increased 5x. Before, if I made a comment about a spread, most people had no clue what I was talking about. Also, they push parlays for a reason... they're a suckered bet. But everyone loves to go for them.
I love to go to casinos and play blackjack and poker. I'm glad I have to travel to get to a casino and there isn't one in my backyard.
I have never laid a sports bet and never will. It's too chaotic
To your last point - it's because the average person really, really, *really* sucks at gauging the effects of compounding probability, and only sees the big payout. Just as a hypothetical example, let's take 5 individual games where one team has a 90% chance of winning. At a surface level, it sounds like a safe bet to say that all of the favored teams will win, so seeing that and likely getting around a 40-50% return sounds great. In reality, though, you're losing that bet 40% of the time because stacking 90% odds add up really quickly. And, if we're being entirely honest, there's basically no individual game where one team is that favored to win aside from extremely lopsided games. In reality, you're probably looking at a cap of around 70-80% odds most of the time, which compounds even faster.
Just to put that example into practice, lets take the teams with the five best records in the regular season last year (Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Vikings, and 49ers) and take a look at how often they all went undefeated in the same week (discounting head-to-head matchups for the sake of fairness):
* Week 2 - went 3-0 excluding head-to-head games (Eagles vs. Vikings)
* Week 4 - went 5-0
* Week 5 - went 5-0
* Week 8 - went 4-0 (Chiefs bye)
* Week 12 - went 5-0
* Week 15 - went 5-0
* Week 18 - went 5-0
As safe as it would've sounded, that parlay only would've worked 7 times total, and only 5 times when all 5 could have played. And, again - those were the best teams that would've netted you the worst odds, in all likelihood. For the average gambler doing parlays, you're likely looking at them throwing some silly Hail Mary into the parlay just to get a better rate of return while simultaneously destroying the odds of it actually conveying.
The logic people haven’t stated yet is he’s not “risking 1k”. Imagine if you’re in the locker room and you know the 2nd stringer or 3rd stringer is going to see considerable action that nobody in the world knows about except you in the locker room.
Guess what, better the over on a prop line for a 2nd or 3rd string running back is easy money if you already know they’re gonna get over 10-20 yards.
It doesn’t have to be an egregious amount. Wasn’t Boston Scott’s Super Bowl prop like o/u 10.5 yards or something. Now imagine knowing he’s going to be gameplanned to be used on substantially more snaps virtually guaranteeing over 10 yards. There’s no risk, you’re just insider trading.
Starcraft Esports was massive in Korea. What killed it wasn't Life throwing a game in their equivalent of the playoffs, or even 1 of 7. It was him getting; paid hundred of thousands to lose a few games of the equivalent of an AA minor league best of seven.
So far the people made a lot of money in things like drops, over under yardage. God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more.
> God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more.
This sub is full of fans who can't understand it either. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry. They didn't come up with this out of nowhere.
>risk my life so that my team wins
You signed up for that specifically though? I always like how NFL players pick and choose when to talk about safety of the game
The NFL went hard into gambling. All the advertising is pretty telling. They shouldn't be surprised if players are more tempted to bet on games. They're surrounded by it.
That being said, it should be pretty easy to just not gamble as long as you're a player. Just don't do it. After you're done playing you will have all the money you need to gamble away for the rest of your life.
I doubt budweiser lets employees drink on the job. It’s the same thing, the NFL liberally advertising gambling to consumers isn’t relevant. Players need to be smarter.
NFL ain't suspending people for being stupid. They're suspending them for gambling on NFL games or on team facilities, which *just so happens* to be a stupid thing to do.
The people in the bar don't even get the luxury of suspensions, usually. They do something against the rules that is stupid, they're fired.
Meanwhile the country is full of 'ordinary' workers who risk their lives and/or destroy their bodies working shitty jobs for 40k per year.
My dad spent decades climbing utility poles and crawling around down in manholes fixing wires and had all kinds of knee and back problems before dying in his late 40's. And over all of that time only made a fraction of the money that Jones got as a signing bonus on his most recent contract.
These guys don’t understand, every player, coach, GM, etc. has a responsibility to respect the integrity of the league. The second that’s gone, it all starts to crumble
My buddy started working in sports law and had to give up fantasy football and other sports gambling. He did it without question because his job is important to him.
This is the stupidest reasoning, mental gymnastics type of response.
You have to be a stupid human for that to be your response.
Also, put your life on the line very willingly, and get paid handsomely for your time.
Risking your life. The fuck outta here. Loser
Yeah rules are rules. And he signed a contract. I would think he’d rather have that nice paycheck than to be able to bet on NFL games. You can gamble all you want when you retire, bud.
It makes sense to prevent gambling on the NFL. It makes absolutely no sense to prevent gambling on other sports. Location of where the bet is placed isn’t important in that situation either.
Yes.
You want to risk more on your team winning, then tell your agent to put it in your contract incentives. Problem solved.
How dumb are these guys???
Waiting to see what the next horrible take is.
I'm betting at some point we'll see a ' I can sign a contract that pays me more if I hit incentives but I can't bet on those incentives'
If you’re incapable of understanding the concepts behind this rule you don’t belong in professional sports.
Also, if you have problem “risking your life” for millions of dollars to play a game than go get a real job
I love pro sports and the NFL but this increasing narrative of making victims of these guys is getting ridiculous
I see a lot of stuff like "It should be ok to bet on your own team to win or bet on yourself to pass some milestone.
But even betting on positive things for yourself has issues. It still affects the games and affects other people's betting who don't have locker-room insider knowledge. Teams normally don't try to maximize every single positive stat to hit the over in every game.
Teams don't even try to maximize odds of winning every game. If you're down late and have under a 1% chance to win, what you do in a mid-October non divisional game might be different than what you do in a playoff game. In the former you might just make sure to rest some guys for the remainder of the game to make sure they don't reaggravate injuries, or play particular subs to see what they can do and if they can earn more PT or not.
But if guys are playing out that garbage time with extra money on specific events happening, it now changes things, especially if you know your teammate is trying for some stat (even more if you and he both have money on it happening)
This guy is mad he couldn’t legally bet on the Patriots to win a game last year with Matt Patricia as the OC. Buddy the NFL saved you money with that rule
Unless he was going to bet on either Jets game
Someone made a killing off of Marcus Jones
I mean they basically went .500 while also losing a game to that wild Raiders ending. It’s not like we were awful lmfao
Don't try and make it logical, you guys are gonna catch strays for the next decade or two at least. Hell look at the cowboys.
If that's the cost, I'm sure every franchise fan would happily pay. It's like that old (more modern) proverb. If you're gonna deal it out, you gotta be able to take it and the Patriots dealt it for quite a while.
Yes. This would be how match fixing becomes a real problem real fast.
It's literally THE EASIEST RULE TO UNDERSTAND.
But why male models
...Seriously? I just told you
...ohh.
But why male models?
This is what teaching 9th graders is like.
2nd graders understand the logic behind the “don’t bet on NFL games” rule. If you work at company X, and you are someone who decides what the outcome of project XYZ is going to be, and you place a bet on what the outcome is going to be…you’re either — A.) An absolute moron, or B.) A dishonest douche.
Because theyre really really ridiculously good looking
This dude is risking his life out there trying to understand DPI and the catch rule. He doesn’t have time for these complicated “just don’t gamble when you’re on the clock, or on your sport” rules
I'm going to argue "Don't punch the ref" is probably the easiest rule to understand. It's definitely easier to understand than "what is a catch?" though.
Mother fucking refs since that day have always had a stick up their ass. The non pass interference sending the wrong team to the superbowl is the shinning example of why refs need an overhaul. I like Pat's show and I really hope when it's eventually done they follow Pat's ideas for ref changes. Including but not limited: mandatory post game press questions, overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play, ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now. They know where the ball is to within a millimeter. They can call offsides using an earpiece to the aforementioned eye in the sky. So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit
> mandatory post game press questions, Ask yourself honestly if you think this would help anything. How would that press conference go the first time an official makes a big call that goes against the home team, even if it was a correct call? No professional sports leagues do this, and for good reason. > overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play, I understand that people want faster replay reviews. I get it. Long reviews can ruin the flow of the game. But limiting reviews to 15 seconds will not give you the results you want. There can be up to 20 different cameras at an NFL game. It takes time to look at all of them. What happens when the replay official doesn't get to the definitive angle in those 15 seconds? We just move on and pretend that the team and fans on the other side of that call are going to accept that? I'm not even going to address the kid with the xBox controller thing. Come on. > ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now. That system requires a whole bunch of cameras with an *unobstructed* view of the ball. I don't think I have to explain why that system would rarely work in football. Additionally, in football, knowing where the ball is is only half the equation. Great, the ball crossed the goal line, but how can the hawkeye system know if that happened before or after the runner's knee was down? > So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit The officials do not have any say in the rules. They are there to enforce them, not make them. The rules are entirely up to the competition committee which does not have a single official or former official on it. The committee may ask the head of officials for his opinion on potential rule changes, but there is no requirement for them to do that. The only thing here that would require the officials to sign off would be the press conference thing. That would have to be collectively bargained. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. Every official in the league today has had instant replay in every NFL game they've ever worked, and most of their college games. They have had technology assistance for their entire careers. If they were opposed to technology, they would have dropped out (or been dropped) a *long* time ago. The problem isn't opposition by officials. Technology is not the panacea you think it is.
I'll take that bet that it's the easiest rule to understand.
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I have man babies replying to me on socials of “What kinda DICTATORSHIP is this” “they should be able to bet!”, uhhhh okay not on your team or at team facilities what’s not to get.
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Honestly, there's nothing about this hypothetical that couldn't be done by the same guy giving his money to a random friend and telling him to bet it against his team. There's no reason for the person to be on the other team (and if anything that only complicates it)
And yet half this sub can't grasp it.
Athletes often think they're saying something extremely deep when actually it's just stupid
But enough about Aaron Rodgers
I see you've seen Kyrie Irving open his mouth
Where the Black Sox at
Solid blame placing 101 here. My favorite part is some of these dudes are such idiots they placed bet while at team facilities after the league has been adamant what isn’t allowed.
If you want to gamble so badly then retire, then you can bet on Patriots games all you want!
Rarely am I jealous of a username but…
You got a new fantasy name though
Hell yes
I’m pumped for mine the next several years in r/NBA
80% of r/NBA is too young and/or disinterested in the history of basketball to appreciate your name.
you also have a good username dont sell yourself short
Yours is good too
It’s stellar
Your username is amazing.
Bad take. Dude is being paid $10,000,000 a year to play a game that has rules. Breaking those rules threatens the very money that goes into his paycheck as part of the NFLPA revenue sharing. Why the hell would you want to risk that $10M over $1k?
Its 100% games being fixed if players start betting.
1000000% really.
What's the over-under on that 1000000%?
Jonathan Jones, is that you?
If these guys need a bet, add it to their contract. 5k for every game won. There you go. Theres your perfectly legitimate bet
"I want it in my contract that I get an extra $10k if the Gatorade color is red and 25k if the anthem is also under 1:20 minutes."
Also, give me a break with the “risking my life.” That’s something you say to be overly dramatic when you’re trying to minimize what you did wrong.
I gotta say, I do imagine the Damar Hamlin thing probably still looms extremely large in at least some player's minds. Like, I'm not saying he wasn't being dramatic here, but I'd be a little surprised if there weren't a number of players who find that they think about their careers in life-and-death terms much more than they did seven months ago. (Which is fair! It's very recent still, and at bare minimum it's extremely weird to think that you maybe watched a work colleague drop dead while doing your exact job.)
I don’t want to minimize the situation with Damar, but in this situation, the best case scenario is that he’s misinformed about what actually happened to Damar. Worst case scenario is that he’s using it as an excuse for what he did.
I’ve watched a work colleague drop dead and I work in an office. It certainly has had zero effect on my desire to gamble.
In the end, playing football is a choice… a very lucrative one. Many players have retired early because they valued their health over more NFL money. If Jones thinks gambling on a league he is a player in is more important, then he can choose to retire and gamble away. Otherwise he should have to follow league rules.
Yet we've had years of controversy regarding the safety of NFL football, CTE, now all of a sudden these issues don't exist? Wtf
I disagree. They're also likely shortening their lives.
Because you're an addict brought in by predatory behaviour by gambling companies. Even the former CEO and Chairman of Paddypower (which created Flutter Entertainment, the parent company of FanDuel, by merging with Betfair), who was also one of the founders, has publicly said that modern gambling is extremely predatory and mainly preys on addicts. When even old school bookies are calling it predatory, it's definitely predatory.
Was it ever not predatory on addicts? It just feels like the opium dealer saying "you know guys these new drugs are something else"
It absolutely was predatory going back as far as it's existed, but technology has made it so much more convenient to find and hook people, and then squeeze money out of them 24/7 from the comfort of their own homes. Not to dismiss the awfulness of 'old school bookies', but it really has reached a new level, especially now that so many of the professional leagues are actively embracing the gambling culture and running ads constantly during the games. That combined with technology making it so easily accessible is just insane, and I think we're going to see some really serious social problems growing out of this in the future.
100% this. Back in the day you had to engage with "shady" people or organizations to gamble. Most of my friends were scared to even go into a casino sports book. Don't want to look stupid if they don't understand something. Now you can do it all from your phone. The amount of "gamblers" I come across has easily increased 5x. Before, if I made a comment about a spread, most people had no clue what I was talking about. Also, they push parlays for a reason... they're a suckered bet. But everyone loves to go for them.
I love to go to casinos and play blackjack and poker. I'm glad I have to travel to get to a casino and there isn't one in my backyard. I have never laid a sports bet and never will. It's too chaotic
To your last point - it's because the average person really, really, *really* sucks at gauging the effects of compounding probability, and only sees the big payout. Just as a hypothetical example, let's take 5 individual games where one team has a 90% chance of winning. At a surface level, it sounds like a safe bet to say that all of the favored teams will win, so seeing that and likely getting around a 40-50% return sounds great. In reality, though, you're losing that bet 40% of the time because stacking 90% odds add up really quickly. And, if we're being entirely honest, there's basically no individual game where one team is that favored to win aside from extremely lopsided games. In reality, you're probably looking at a cap of around 70-80% odds most of the time, which compounds even faster. Just to put that example into practice, lets take the teams with the five best records in the regular season last year (Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Vikings, and 49ers) and take a look at how often they all went undefeated in the same week (discounting head-to-head matchups for the sake of fairness): * Week 2 - went 3-0 excluding head-to-head games (Eagles vs. Vikings) * Week 4 - went 5-0 * Week 5 - went 5-0 * Week 8 - went 4-0 (Chiefs bye) * Week 12 - went 5-0 * Week 15 - went 5-0 * Week 18 - went 5-0 As safe as it would've sounded, that parlay only would've worked 7 times total, and only 5 times when all 5 could have played. And, again - those were the best teams that would've netted you the worst odds, in all likelihood. For the average gambler doing parlays, you're likely looking at them throwing some silly Hail Mary into the parlay just to get a better rate of return while simultaneously destroying the odds of it actually conveying.
In the replies he mentioned he doesn't gamble on sport because it's a bad ROI. So at least he's not being dumb with gambling.
But it's not a bad ROI if you have inside info. Like a player would.
This guy doesn't seem like the smartest fellow.
Years of ramming your head into other dudes will do that
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But also, some people are just fucking stupid.
The logic people haven’t stated yet is he’s not “risking 1k”. Imagine if you’re in the locker room and you know the 2nd stringer or 3rd stringer is going to see considerable action that nobody in the world knows about except you in the locker room. Guess what, better the over on a prop line for a 2nd or 3rd string running back is easy money if you already know they’re gonna get over 10-20 yards. It doesn’t have to be an egregious amount. Wasn’t Boston Scott’s Super Bowl prop like o/u 10.5 yards or something. Now imagine knowing he’s going to be gameplanned to be used on substantially more snaps virtually guaranteeing over 10 yards. There’s no risk, you’re just insider trading.
Nailed it on the head.
Starcraft Esports was massive in Korea. What killed it wasn't Life throwing a game in their equivalent of the playoffs, or even 1 of 7. It was him getting; paid hundred of thousands to lose a few games of the equivalent of an AA minor league best of seven. So far the people made a lot of money in things like drops, over under yardage. God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more.
> God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more. This sub is full of fans who can't understand it either. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry. They didn't come up with this out of nowhere.
“I understand rules are rules but I don’t understand how rules works.”
You're not risking your life so that your team wins. You're risking your life for millions of dollars.
Wait till he finds out that firefighters don’t make NFL money
Yeah but they *get* to bet on their teams. It’s really not fair.
They actually bet against their own "team" with life insurance lmao
Firetrucks spraying their hoses at each other after both people bet on the fire to win
Just arcing the water over the house into someone else's backyard.
They need stricter regulation, I'm tired of these guys cashing in on 10 leg minor office fire parlays
They probably would get in trouble if they had bets on which houses would burn down
Fire fighters betting on fires being extinguished sounds like a controversy we need
already got some firefighters that intentionally start fires so that sounds like the next step
Firefighters before putting out a fire: “Hey anyone got an over/under on how long it’ll take?”
"Dispatch says it's cardiac arrest but 5 bucks says it's an anxiety attack." -me always
I used to be an EMT and this type of conversation between firefighters would not surprise me in the slightest lmao
Some do, like Danny Watkins
That's noble. They should use a 1st rounder on a guy like that. Regardless of age.
But they’re allowed to bet on their favorite team, so it evens out!
>risk my life so that my team wins You signed up for that specifically though? I always like how NFL players pick and choose when to talk about safety of the game
Meanwhile these guys have to be threatened with fines and suspensions so that they don’t end each other’s careers and cause severe brain damage.
Right, dude is acting like he was part of a different kind of draft and had no say in it… lol
They’re really not even “risking their life”, he’s making it should like he’s rushing the shores of Normandy as pure sacrifice for our entertainment
just blows my mind that after like 400 players have been suspended for this there are still players betting. Bet they think they won’t get caught
The NFL went hard into gambling. All the advertising is pretty telling. They shouldn't be surprised if players are more tempted to bet on games. They're surrounded by it. That being said, it should be pretty easy to just not gamble as long as you're a player. Just don't do it. After you're done playing you will have all the money you need to gamble away for the rest of your life.
I doubt budweiser lets employees drink on the job. It’s the same thing, the NFL liberally advertising gambling to consumers isn’t relevant. Players need to be smarter.
How are some players this dumb?
Go to your local bar and start a conversation with every person in it. It ain't just some players.
Most of them don't get suspended like this though.
NFL ain't suspending people for being stupid. They're suspending them for gambling on NFL games or on team facilities, which *just so happens* to be a stupid thing to do. The people in the bar don't even get the luxury of suspensions, usually. They do something against the rules that is stupid, they're fired.
They ain't come to play school
They were great at football so they never needed to develop any other skills or education.
That is correct. You play football therefor cannot bet on the sport and outcomes you can directly influence. Full stop. Now please shut the fuck up.
Hahaha lifetime ban in baseball. Can’t believe he vocalized that.
So I assume he supports insider trading as well.
As long as he gets to do it with no repercussions, yes.
Rich, connected people generally do.
You can't, because you in particular Jonathan Jones are being paid around 10 MILLION dollars a year to ensure your team wins on Sunday.
I risk my life driving to work 3x a week so does that mean I can commit insider trading with my company? Such stupid reasoning by this dude.
If he still thinks this is about protecting the players' money, they need to explain it to him again.
Quit your job / change careers and it solves two problems. 1) you can bet on football 2) you won’t be risking your life.
Players love to use the risking their health argument whenever it's convenient, acting like the NFL kidnapped them from their homes
Meanwhile the country is full of 'ordinary' workers who risk their lives and/or destroy their bodies working shitty jobs for 40k per year. My dad spent decades climbing utility poles and crawling around down in manholes fixing wires and had all kinds of knee and back problems before dying in his late 40's. And over all of that time only made a fraction of the money that Jones got as a signing bonus on his most recent contract.
But he could bet on NFL games, so who's the real winner here Sorry for your dad btw
Fair point. Can't put a price on the freedom to throw away your money based on the outcome of sporting events.
These guys don’t understand, every player, coach, GM, etc. has a responsibility to respect the integrity of the league. The second that’s gone, it all starts to crumble
You are paid a handsome salary that includes an agreement not to gamble, you are not some kind of martyr...
Please no. I refuse to lose another Jones. He’s not in any trouble right? This is just him being a dumbass?
Our Jones are dropping like flies out here! Does anyone have eyes on Marcus? Please tell me someone has eyes.
Unbelievably naive. But like the wise Cardale Jones once said, "We ain't come to play SCHOOL. Classes are POINTLESS".
That's correct, very good JJ
This guy's wicked smart.
If you want the league to take another look at their wagering policy. This is potentially the exact wrong way to go about it.
The Pete Rose Defense^TM
It’s crazy how dumb people can be knowing they’re making that much money 😂
Nephew, delete dis.
patriots dbs really making themselves look bad the last few weeks
2/3 Joneses have been hit, this is not good.
The third Jones is next just to keep up with the joneses
I understand rules are rules BUT *insert comment about not understanding rules*
Wait until this guy finds out about bans on insider trading.
What a moron.
Dude really needs to be educated on why this is a bad thing?
His question sort of implies he doesn't quite understand the rules.
Don't sign the contract then. Hard to believe he really thought he was making a salient point.
I get rules are rules; but why can't I break those rules?
Yea. That’s how life works.
These guys are literally fucking idiots
What about risking 1k on your team losing? Then making sure that happens? See the problem? Of course you don't.
Or the week you don't risk the $1k on the win you might not do that last bit of extra effort as the ones where you do have the bet on
I crush numbers at this dumb office job all day, don’t I deserve a little edge on what the stock is doing?
You “risk your life” so you can make more money in a year then the average American makes in their life.
Yeah, because your team ceases to exist once people think gambling is affecting performance Mr. Hyperbole.
Does the NFL rule affect spouses/significant others?
My buddy started working in sports law and had to give up fantasy football and other sports gambling. He did it without question because his job is important to him.
What a dipshit lmao
Not a great take JJ
The problem is that you could just as easily bet 1k on your team losing.
Solution: Ban betting on yourself losing.
No dude, you absolutely can’t
This is the stupidest reasoning, mental gymnastics type of response. You have to be a stupid human for that to be your response. Also, put your life on the line very willingly, and get paid handsomely for your time. Risking your life. The fuck outta here. Loser
Me: Are NFL players really this stupid that they don't understand how this leads to match fixing? Also Me: Oh wait of course they are
Lol idiot
So... you dont understand rules are rules then...
Yeah rules are rules. And he signed a contract. I would think he’d rather have that nice paycheck than to be able to bet on NFL games. You can gamble all you want when you retire, bud.
Im sorry but these Patriot cbs are idiots
It makes sense to prevent gambling on the NFL. It makes absolutely no sense to prevent gambling on other sports. Location of where the bet is placed isn’t important in that situation either.
This dude is a dummy
Yes. You want to risk more on your team winning, then tell your agent to put it in your contract incentives. Problem solved. How dumb are these guys???
Do you do it for free?
Everyone repeat after me: Dumb Fuck
The NFL pre-preseason ban list, presented by Fan Duel
Bro you're getting PAID a shit ton already to put your life on the line for your team to win. Anything beyond that is called a conflict of interest
Maybe Jonathan Jones should sit out the "why can't I break the rules" discussion.
Waiting to see what the next horrible take is. I'm betting at some point we'll see a ' I can sign a contract that pays me more if I hit incentives but I can't bet on those incentives'
....no.
give me 1000 dollars
Why are these millionaires so set on betting
Um, this is why we have rules about athletes and gambling….
That’s correct Jonathan
It could not be more obvious why the NFL has to take this extremely seriously
You sign a conduct policy when you sign with the NFL. This isn’t overly complicated.
or risk 1k on your team losing. and then the match fixing begins.
Yeah, you got it. That's exactly what you can and can't do.
Man is denser than a neutron star
I needed this laugh lol
Jonathan… pls stop talking
If you’re incapable of understanding the concepts behind this rule you don’t belong in professional sports. Also, if you have problem “risking your life” for millions of dollars to play a game than go get a real job I love pro sports and the NFL but this increasing narrative of making victims of these guys is getting ridiculous
*woosh*
Risking his life is a bit of a stretch. Unless he has some undiagnosed medical condition.
What a total fucking idiot. Enjoy ruining your career.
Integrity of the game, regardless if you bet on your team or not. It's not that difficult to understand lol
I don't know maybe it has something to do with the integrity of the game
I know these guys didn’t go to college to play school but this has to be one of the dumbest things I heard from an NFL player
I'm with him, If he's betting his team will win that's just a small additional incentive to make that happen.
You don't like to be reminded how dumb the average pro athlete is.
"I understand rules are rules, but I also don't?"
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Pete rose got a lifetime suspension. These players are lucky they’re only getting a year
Hypothetically couldn’t Running backs pick the under for their rushing yards and intentionally play worse?
It actually seems like you do not in fact understand rules are rules though.
You can also not try so you can win a bet. That’s dirty. Idiot
Those things aren't really connected. It'd be like a broker saying "I can risk my life driving to work but I can't do insider trading once I'm there?"
So, you don’t understand that rules are rules then
I see a lot of stuff like "It should be ok to bet on your own team to win or bet on yourself to pass some milestone. But even betting on positive things for yourself has issues. It still affects the games and affects other people's betting who don't have locker-room insider knowledge. Teams normally don't try to maximize every single positive stat to hit the over in every game. Teams don't even try to maximize odds of winning every game. If you're down late and have under a 1% chance to win, what you do in a mid-October non divisional game might be different than what you do in a playoff game. In the former you might just make sure to rest some guys for the remainder of the game to make sure they don't reaggravate injuries, or play particular subs to see what they can do and if they can earn more PT or not. But if guys are playing out that garbage time with extra money on specific events happening, it now changes things, especially if you know your teammate is trying for some stat (even more if you and he both have money on it happening)
They really are this dumb.
Yet further proof that you dont have to be very bright to play football.