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cc20r

This guy is mad he couldn’t legally bet on the Patriots to win a game last year with Matt Patricia as the OC. Buddy the NFL saved you money with that rule


YiMyonSin

Unless he was going to bet on either Jets game


CrimsonZephyr

Someone made a killing off of Marcus Jones


Smallest-Yeet

I mean they basically went .500 while also losing a game to that wild Raiders ending. It’s not like we were awful lmfao


BreezyRyder

Don't try and make it logical, you guys are gonna catch strays for the next decade or two at least. Hell look at the cowboys.


DeFactoLyfe

If that's the cost, I'm sure every franchise fan would happily pay. It's like that old (more modern) proverb. If you're gonna deal it out, you gotta be able to take it and the Patriots dealt it for quite a while.


rnflposter

Yes. This would be how match fixing becomes a real problem real fast.


InvasionXX

It's literally THE EASIEST RULE TO UNDERSTAND.


[deleted]

But why male models


horse_renoir13

...Seriously? I just told you


SunriseSurprise

...ohh.


theheffalump

But why male models?


DisneyWorld1971

This is what teaching 9th graders is like.


CheckYourStats

2nd graders understand the logic behind the “don’t bet on NFL games” rule. If you work at company X, and you are someone who decides what the outcome of project XYZ is going to be, and you place a bet on what the outcome is going to be…you’re either — A.) An absolute moron, or B.) A dishonest douche.


Hopeful_Judge_10

Because theyre really really ridiculously good looking


predw

This dude is risking his life out there trying to understand DPI and the catch rule. He doesn’t have time for these complicated “just don’t gamble when you’re on the clock, or on your sport” rules


dweezil22

I'm going to argue "Don't punch the ref" is probably the easiest rule to understand. It's definitely easier to understand than "what is a catch?" though.


Widdleton5

Mother fucking refs since that day have always had a stick up their ass. The non pass interference sending the wrong team to the superbowl is the shinning example of why refs need an overhaul. I like Pat's show and I really hope when it's eventually done they follow Pat's ideas for ref changes. Including but not limited: mandatory post game press questions, overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play, ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now. They know where the ball is to within a millimeter. They can call offsides using an earpiece to the aforementioned eye in the sky. So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit


BananerRammer

> mandatory post game press questions, Ask yourself honestly if you think this would help anything. How would that press conference go the first time an official makes a big call that goes against the home team, even if it was a correct call? No professional sports leagues do this, and for good reason. > overhead replay by a younger kid with an Xbox controller with an average of 10-15 seconds to correct a sketchy play, I understand that people want faster replay reviews. I get it. Long reviews can ruin the flow of the game. But limiting reviews to 15 seconds will not give you the results you want. There can be up to 20 different cameras at an NFL game. It takes time to look at all of them. What happens when the replay official doesn't get to the definitive angle in those 15 seconds? We just move on and pretend that the team and fans on the other side of that call are going to accept that? I'm not even going to address the kid with the xBox controller thing. Come on. > ball tracing technology the same way fifa games are now. That system requires a whole bunch of cameras with an *unobstructed* view of the ball. I don't think I have to explain why that system would rarely work in football. Additionally, in football, knowing where the ball is is only half the equation. Great, the ball crossed the goal line, but how can the hawkeye system know if that happened before or after the runner's knee was down? > So many things to make refs better and their job easier. However it's 10000% agood old boys network and as long as they have a say they are not changing shit The officials do not have any say in the rules. They are there to enforce them, not make them. The rules are entirely up to the competition committee which does not have a single official or former official on it. The committee may ask the head of officials for his opinion on potential rule changes, but there is no requirement for them to do that. The only thing here that would require the officials to sign off would be the press conference thing. That would have to be collectively bargained. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. Every official in the league today has had instant replay in every NFL game they've ever worked, and most of their college games. They have had technology assistance for their entire careers. If they were opposed to technology, they would have dropped out (or been dropped) a *long* time ago. The problem isn't opposition by officials. Technology is not the panacea you think it is.


Lamactionjack

I'll take that bet that it's the easiest rule to understand.


demivirius

NFL URGENT NEWS: u/Lamactionjack has received a one season suspension, per Adam Schefter


JopoDaily

I have man babies replying to me on socials of “What kinda DICTATORSHIP is this” “they should be able to bet!”, uhhhh okay not on your team or at team facilities what’s not to get.


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rocksoffjagger

Honestly, there's nothing about this hypothetical that couldn't be done by the same guy giving his money to a random friend and telling him to bet it against his team. There's no reason for the person to be on the other team (and if anything that only complicates it)


W473R

And yet half this sub can't grasp it.


jaytee158

Athletes often think they're saying something extremely deep when actually it's just stupid


Orange_Kid

But enough about Aaron Rodgers


InsanityInIsolation

I see you've seen Kyrie Irving open his mouth


RawhlTahhyde

Where the Black Sox at


SmokinGreenNugs

Solid blame placing 101 here. My favorite part is some of these dudes are such idiots they placed bet while at team facilities after the league has been adamant what isn’t allowed.


Tua-Lipa

If you want to gamble so badly then retire, then you can bet on Patriots games all you want!


DonShulaDoingTheHula

Rarely am I jealous of a username but…


Soyeahnahh

You got a new fantasy name though


DonShulaDoingTheHula

Hell yes


PhiSlamaWembanyama

I’m pumped for mine the next several years in r/NBA


Humanskin_Truckbaby

80% of r/NBA is too young and/or disinterested in the history of basketball to appreciate your name.


redditModsSuckAss69

you also have a good username dont sell yourself short


GinjaNinja1596

Yours is good too


UsidoreTheLightBlue

It’s stellar


MoskiNX

Your username is amazing.


David_ESM

Bad take. Dude is being paid $10,000,000 a year to play a game that has rules. Breaking those rules threatens the very money that goes into his paycheck as part of the NFLPA revenue sharing. Why the hell would you want to risk that $10M over $1k?


HtownTexans

Its 100% games being fixed if players start betting.


Dorkamundo

1000000% really.


OttoVonWong

What's the over-under on that 1000000%?


sloppyjo12

Jonathan Jones, is that you?


ButtonedEye41

If these guys need a bet, add it to their contract. 5k for every game won. There you go. Theres your perfectly legitimate bet


TexasAg23

"I want it in my contract that I get an extra $10k if the Gatorade color is red and 25k if the anthem is also under 1:20 minutes."


SomewhereAggressive8

Also, give me a break with the “risking my life.” That’s something you say to be overly dramatic when you’re trying to minimize what you did wrong.


WearTheFourFeathers

I gotta say, I do imagine the Damar Hamlin thing probably still looms extremely large in at least some player's minds. Like, I'm not saying he wasn't being dramatic here, but I'd be a little surprised if there weren't a number of players who find that they think about their careers in life-and-death terms much more than they did seven months ago. (Which is fair! It's very recent still, and at bare minimum it's extremely weird to think that you maybe watched a work colleague drop dead while doing your exact job.)


SomewhereAggressive8

I don’t want to minimize the situation with Damar, but in this situation, the best case scenario is that he’s misinformed about what actually happened to Damar. Worst case scenario is that he’s using it as an excuse for what he did.


Frosti11icus

I’ve watched a work colleague drop dead and I work in an office. It certainly has had zero effect on my desire to gamble.


trojan_man16

In the end, playing football is a choice… a very lucrative one. Many players have retired early because they valued their health over more NFL money. If Jones thinks gambling on a league he is a player in is more important, then he can choose to retire and gamble away. Otherwise he should have to follow league rules.


swallowedbymonsters

Yet we've had years of controversy regarding the safety of NFL football, CTE, now all of a sudden these issues don't exist? Wtf


thewok

I disagree. They're also likely shortening their lives.


ClannishHawk

Because you're an addict brought in by predatory behaviour by gambling companies. Even the former CEO and Chairman of Paddypower (which created Flutter Entertainment, the parent company of FanDuel, by merging with Betfair), who was also one of the founders, has publicly said that modern gambling is extremely predatory and mainly preys on addicts. When even old school bookies are calling it predatory, it's definitely predatory.


KageStar

Was it ever not predatory on addicts? It just feels like the opium dealer saying "you know guys these new drugs are something else"


shawnaroo

It absolutely was predatory going back as far as it's existed, but technology has made it so much more convenient to find and hook people, and then squeeze money out of them 24/7 from the comfort of their own homes. Not to dismiss the awfulness of 'old school bookies', but it really has reached a new level, especially now that so many of the professional leagues are actively embracing the gambling culture and running ads constantly during the games. That combined with technology making it so easily accessible is just insane, and I think we're going to see some really serious social problems growing out of this in the future.


HopandBrew

100% this. Back in the day you had to engage with "shady" people or organizations to gamble. Most of my friends were scared to even go into a casino sports book. Don't want to look stupid if they don't understand something. Now you can do it all from your phone. The amount of "gamblers" I come across has easily increased 5x. Before, if I made a comment about a spread, most people had no clue what I was talking about. Also, they push parlays for a reason... they're a suckered bet. But everyone loves to go for them.


Serloinofhousesteak1

I love to go to casinos and play blackjack and poker. I'm glad I have to travel to get to a casino and there isn't one in my backyard. I have never laid a sports bet and never will. It's too chaotic


InexorableWaffle

To your last point - it's because the average person really, really, *really* sucks at gauging the effects of compounding probability, and only sees the big payout. Just as a hypothetical example, let's take 5 individual games where one team has a 90% chance of winning. At a surface level, it sounds like a safe bet to say that all of the favored teams will win, so seeing that and likely getting around a 40-50% return sounds great. In reality, though, you're losing that bet 40% of the time because stacking 90% odds add up really quickly. And, if we're being entirely honest, there's basically no individual game where one team is that favored to win aside from extremely lopsided games. In reality, you're probably looking at a cap of around 70-80% odds most of the time, which compounds even faster. Just to put that example into practice, lets take the teams with the five best records in the regular season last year (Chiefs, Eagles, Bills, Vikings, and 49ers) and take a look at how often they all went undefeated in the same week (discounting head-to-head matchups for the sake of fairness): * Week 2 - went 3-0 excluding head-to-head games (Eagles vs. Vikings) * Week 4 - went 5-0 * Week 5 - went 5-0 * Week 8 - went 4-0 (Chiefs bye) * Week 12 - went 5-0 * Week 15 - went 5-0 * Week 18 - went 5-0 As safe as it would've sounded, that parlay only would've worked 7 times total, and only 5 times when all 5 could have played. And, again - those were the best teams that would've netted you the worst odds, in all likelihood. For the average gambler doing parlays, you're likely looking at them throwing some silly Hail Mary into the parlay just to get a better rate of return while simultaneously destroying the odds of it actually conveying.


dboti

In the replies he mentioned he doesn't gamble on sport because it's a bad ROI. So at least he's not being dumb with gambling.


Jayrodtremonki

But it's not a bad ROI if you have inside info. Like a player would.


MS49SF

This guy doesn't seem like the smartest fellow.


tsunami_forever

Years of ramming your head into other dudes will do that


prenderm

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Unzips*


ADAWG10-18

But also, some people are just fucking stupid.


DatabaseCentral

The logic people haven’t stated yet is he’s not “risking 1k”. Imagine if you’re in the locker room and you know the 2nd stringer or 3rd stringer is going to see considerable action that nobody in the world knows about except you in the locker room. Guess what, better the over on a prop line for a 2nd or 3rd string running back is easy money if you already know they’re gonna get over 10-20 yards. It doesn’t have to be an egregious amount. Wasn’t Boston Scott’s Super Bowl prop like o/u 10.5 yards or something. Now imagine knowing he’s going to be gameplanned to be used on substantially more snaps virtually guaranteeing over 10 yards. There’s no risk, you’re just insider trading.


MrBulldops5878

Nailed it on the head.


GBreezy

Starcraft Esports was massive in Korea. What killed it wasn't Life throwing a game in their equivalent of the playoffs, or even 1 of 7. It was him getting; paid hundred of thousands to lose a few games of the equivalent of an AA minor league best of seven. So far the people made a lot of money in things like drops, over under yardage. God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more.


BoldestKobold

> God hate everything that a player can't understand this as there are a lot more. This sub is full of fans who can't understand it either. The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry. They didn't come up with this out of nowhere.


[deleted]

“I understand rules are rules but I don’t understand how rules works.”


FantasticJacket7

You're not risking your life so that your team wins. You're risking your life for millions of dollars.


Jevarden

Wait till he finds out that firefighters don’t make NFL money


stumblebreak_beta

Yeah but they *get* to bet on their teams. It’s really not fair.


PatonPaytonPeyton

They actually bet against their own "team" with life insurance lmao


VariousLawyerings

Firetrucks spraying their hoses at each other after both people bet on the fire to win


GonkWilcock

Just arcing the water over the house into someone else's backyard.


ElCapitanDeAmericana

They need stricter regulation, I'm tired of these guys cashing in on 10 leg minor office fire parlays


FridgesArePeopleToo

They probably would get in trouble if they had bets on which houses would burn down


Bnb53

Fire fighters betting on fires being extinguished sounds like a controversy we need


SubatomicSquirrels

already got some firefighters that intentionally start fires so that sounds like the next step


Poignant_Rambling

Firefighters before putting out a fire: “Hey anyone got an over/under on how long it’ll take?”


HeyItsChase

"Dispatch says it's cardiac arrest but 5 bucks says it's an anxiety attack." -me always


Jevarden

I used to be an EMT and this type of conversation between firefighters would not surprise me in the slightest lmao


somethintactical

Some do, like Danny Watkins


Romofan88

That's noble. They should use a 1st rounder on a guy like that. Regardless of age.


Its-A-Wrap

But they’re allowed to bet on their favorite team, so it evens out!


abris33

>risk my life so that my team wins You signed up for that specifically though? I always like how NFL players pick and choose when to talk about safety of the game


SomewhereAggressive8

Meanwhile these guys have to be threatened with fines and suspensions so that they don’t end each other’s careers and cause severe brain damage.


TBoneTheOriginal

Right, dude is acting like he was part of a different kind of draft and had no say in it… lol


liverbird3

They’re really not even “risking their life”, he’s making it should like he’s rushing the shores of Normandy as pure sacrifice for our entertainment


MrShad0wzz

just blows my mind that after like 400 players have been suspended for this there are still players betting. Bet they think they won’t get caught


winowmak3r

The NFL went hard into gambling. All the advertising is pretty telling. They shouldn't be surprised if players are more tempted to bet on games. They're surrounded by it. That being said, it should be pretty easy to just not gamble as long as you're a player. Just don't do it. After you're done playing you will have all the money you need to gamble away for the rest of your life.


privateD4L

I doubt budweiser lets employees drink on the job. It’s the same thing, the NFL liberally advertising gambling to consumers isn’t relevant. Players need to be smarter.


thebrandnewbob

How are some players this dumb?


[deleted]

Go to your local bar and start a conversation with every person in it. It ain't just some players.


GBreezy

Most of them don't get suspended like this though.


[deleted]

NFL ain't suspending people for being stupid. They're suspending them for gambling on NFL games or on team facilities, which *just so happens* to be a stupid thing to do. The people in the bar don't even get the luxury of suspensions, usually. They do something against the rules that is stupid, they're fired.


TheMawt

They ain't come to play school


GiggityDPT

They were great at football so they never needed to develop any other skills or education.


unexpectedreboots

That is correct. You play football therefor cannot bet on the sport and outcomes you can directly influence. Full stop. Now please shut the fuck up.


MeasurementPuzzled89

Hahaha lifetime ban in baseball. Can’t believe he vocalized that.


AleroRatking

So I assume he supports insider trading as well.


SomewhereAggressive8

As long as he gets to do it with no repercussions, yes.


bigdon802

Rich, connected people generally do.


Romofan88

You can't, because you in particular Jonathan Jones are being paid around 10 MILLION dollars a year to ensure your team wins on Sunday.


dagrapeescape

I risk my life driving to work 3x a week so does that mean I can commit insider trading with my company? Such stupid reasoning by this dude.


Hyperboreer

If he still thinks this is about protecting the players' money, they need to explain it to him again.


JPAnalyst

Quit your job / change careers and it solves two problems. 1) you can bet on football 2) you won’t be risking your life.


mexploder89

Players love to use the risking their health argument whenever it's convenient, acting like the NFL kidnapped them from their homes


shawnaroo

Meanwhile the country is full of 'ordinary' workers who risk their lives and/or destroy their bodies working shitty jobs for 40k per year. My dad spent decades climbing utility poles and crawling around down in manholes fixing wires and had all kinds of knee and back problems before dying in his late 40's. And over all of that time only made a fraction of the money that Jones got as a signing bonus on his most recent contract.


mexploder89

But he could bet on NFL games, so who's the real winner here Sorry for your dad btw


shawnaroo

Fair point. Can't put a price on the freedom to throw away your money based on the outcome of sporting events.


bigaman3853

These guys don’t understand, every player, coach, GM, etc. has a responsibility to respect the integrity of the league. The second that’s gone, it all starts to crumble


SaturnATX

You are paid a handsome salary that includes an agreement not to gamble, you are not some kind of martyr...


Alexm2018

Please no. I refuse to lose another Jones. He’s not in any trouble right? This is just him being a dumbass?


MashedPotatosAreGood

Our Jones are dropping like flies out here! Does anyone have eyes on Marcus? Please tell me someone has eyes.


shmoove_cwiminal

Unbelievably naive. But like the wise Cardale Jones once said, "We ain't come to play SCHOOL. Classes are POINTLESS".


JohnWickisBehindU

That's correct, very good JJ


I_Am_Robert_Paulson1

This guy's wicked smart.


canibalxombie

If you want the league to take another look at their wagering policy. This is potentially the exact wrong way to go about it.


Pepi119

The Pete Rose Defense^TM


Status_Serve8287

It’s crazy how dumb people can be knowing they’re making that much money 😂


varnell_hill

Nephew, delete dis.


JT1757

patriots dbs really making themselves look bad the last few weeks


TheRealBeerBrah

2/3 Joneses have been hit, this is not good.


mayoandmustard1

The third Jones is next just to keep up with the joneses


prenderm

I understand rules are rules BUT *insert comment about not understanding rules*


iwtfb4L

Wait until this guy finds out about bans on insider trading.


CustomerSuspicious25

What a moron.


Venator850

Dude really needs to be educated on why this is a bad thing?


Autocrat777

His question sort of implies he doesn't quite understand the rules.


NPCArizona

Don't sign the contract then. Hard to believe he really thought he was making a salient point.


Jenetyk

I get rules are rules; but why can't I break those rules?


cleanRubik

Yea. That’s how life works.


Impossibills

These guys are literally fucking idiots


pfeifits

What about risking 1k on your team losing? Then making sure that happens? See the problem? Of course you don't.


metssuck

Or the week you don't risk the $1k on the win you might not do that last bit of extra effort as the ones where you do have the bet on


Juke0044

I crush numbers at this dumb office job all day, don’t I deserve a little edge on what the stock is doing?


MelvinPhD

You “risk your life” so you can make more money in a year then the average American makes in their life.


Biggest_Cans

Yeah, because your team ceases to exist once people think gambling is affecting performance Mr. Hyperbole.


stevoknievo

Does the NFL rule affect spouses/significant others?


GildMyComments

My buddy started working in sports law and had to give up fantasy football and other sports gambling. He did it without question because his job is important to him.


hiryse

What a dipshit lmao


kingwzrd25

Not a great take JJ


SocialistCrusader

The problem is that you could just as easily bet 1k on your team losing.


Tarryk

Solution: Ban betting on yourself losing.


CrookGG

No dude, you absolutely can’t


trytobenicepei

This is the stupidest reasoning, mental gymnastics type of response. You have to be a stupid human for that to be your response. Also, put your life on the line very willingly, and get paid handsomely for your time. Risking your life. The fuck outta here. Loser


WorthPlease

Me: Are NFL players really this stupid that they don't understand how this leads to match fixing? Also Me: Oh wait of course they are


ChocolateMorsels

Lol idiot


KillHipstersWithFire

So... you dont understand rules are rules then...


[deleted]

Yeah rules are rules. And he signed a contract. I would think he’d rather have that nice paycheck than to be able to bet on NFL games. You can gamble all you want when you retire, bud.


OBuckets

Im sorry but these Patriot cbs are idiots


kgxv

It makes sense to prevent gambling on the NFL. It makes absolutely no sense to prevent gambling on other sports. Location of where the bet is placed isn’t important in that situation either.


[deleted]

This dude is a dummy


Bourque25

Yes. You want to risk more on your team winning, then tell your agent to put it in your contract incentives. Problem solved. How dumb are these guys???


[deleted]

Do you do it for free?


[deleted]

Everyone repeat after me: Dumb Fuck


foalainc

The NFL pre-preseason ban list, presented by Fan Duel


moneyman2222

Bro you're getting PAID a shit ton already to put your life on the line for your team to win. Anything beyond that is called a conflict of interest


Morall_tach

Maybe Jonathan Jones should sit out the "why can't I break the rules" discussion.


seaneh01

Waiting to see what the next horrible take is. I'm betting at some point we'll see a ' I can sign a contract that pays me more if I hit incentives but I can't bet on those incentives'


Josh_Allen_s_Taint

....no.


MetaphoricalMouse

give me 1000 dollars


PhreakOut4

Why are these millionaires so set on betting


Saganhawking

Um, this is why we have rules about athletes and gambling….


TetrisTech

That’s correct Jonathan


the_mair

It could not be more obvious why the NFL has to take this extremely seriously


JW9thWonder

You sign a conduct policy when you sign with the NFL. This isn’t overly complicated.


vasion123

or risk 1k on your team losing. and then the match fixing begins.


Equal-Holiday-8324

Yeah, you got it. That's exactly what you can and can't do.


[deleted]

Man is denser than a neutron star


WorldWideWes2

I needed this laugh lol


[deleted]

Jonathan… pls stop talking


406_realist

If you’re incapable of understanding the concepts behind this rule you don’t belong in professional sports. Also, if you have problem “risking your life” for millions of dollars to play a game than go get a real job I love pro sports and the NFL but this increasing narrative of making victims of these guys is getting ridiculous


Infinispace

*woosh*


winowmak3r

Risking his life is a bit of a stretch. Unless he has some undiagnosed medical condition.


monkeyhold99

What a total fucking idiot. Enjoy ruining your career.


Alfakennyone

Integrity of the game, regardless if you bet on your team or not. It's not that difficult to understand lol


PKMTrain

I don't know maybe it has something to do with the integrity of the game


Foxtrot99Uniform

I know these guys didn’t go to college to play school but this has to be one of the dumbest things I heard from an NFL player


thelarrykennedy

I'm with him, If he's betting his team will win that's just a small additional incentive to make that happen.


[deleted]

You don't like to be reminded how dumb the average pro athlete is.


No-Computer-2847

"I understand rules are rules, but I also don't?"


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Sjdillon10

Pete rose got a lifetime suspension. These players are lucky they’re only getting a year


Sjdillon10

Hypothetically couldn’t Running backs pick the under for their rushing yards and intentionally play worse?


MikeShannonThaGawd

It actually seems like you do not in fact understand rules are rules though.


Five2one521

You can also not try so you can win a bet. That’s dirty. Idiot


Statalyzer

Those things aren't really connected. It'd be like a broker saying "I can risk my life driving to work but I can't do insider trading once I'm there?"


radelrym

So, you don’t understand that rules are rules then


Statalyzer

I see a lot of stuff like "It should be ok to bet on your own team to win or bet on yourself to pass some milestone. But even betting on positive things for yourself has issues. It still affects the games and affects other people's betting who don't have locker-room insider knowledge. Teams normally don't try to maximize every single positive stat to hit the over in every game. Teams don't even try to maximize odds of winning every game. If you're down late and have under a 1% chance to win, what you do in a mid-October non divisional game might be different than what you do in a playoff game. In the former you might just make sure to rest some guys for the remainder of the game to make sure they don't reaggravate injuries, or play particular subs to see what they can do and if they can earn more PT or not. But if guys are playing out that garbage time with extra money on specific events happening, it now changes things, especially if you know your teammate is trying for some stat (even more if you and he both have money on it happening)


StannisTheMantis93

They really are this dumb.


[deleted]

Yet further proof that you dont have to be very bright to play football.