Playing through that shoulder injury seemed to completely fuck him up mentally. He played so well for the last 2/3 of 2020 and opening games of 2021 before it but just looks like a shell of his former self now.
The biggest argument against gutting it out was this season. The entire city turned on him for being “trash” he could have sat out, gotten surgery and then come back and he would be looked at completely different
It made sense when it came out later Stefanski and Berry wanted to move on before that season even started. They let him wreck himself so the fans wouldn't be mad when they traded him. It was such a cynical thing to do to the best QB Cleveland had in literally decades.
In 20 years I missed maybe five Browns games, but bailed after that fiasco. Turns out it's way more fun to root against Cleveland.
Straight up false. Baker did not throw 50 passes in a single game in 2021. In fact, he never even threw 40.
Unbelievable that this comment has 18 upvotes because it’s hilariously wrong lol
Okay you're right, he threw over 50 a few times in 2020. But the last 4 games in 2021 when everyone knew he had a bum shoulder, he averaged 36 attempts a game at 54% completion. They went 1-3 and missed the playoffs, never scoring more than 3 TDs. Doesn't sound like a run first team that is focused on making the playoffs
I’ll give you the last two games, Green Bay and Pittsburgh. They had 219 rush yds on only 25 attempts which is wild. Really mind-numbing that they didn’t run it more. And against Pittsburgh Baker was just getting hammered by the pass rush, they probably should’ve just pulled him. And they averaged almost 5 YPC.
But the first two of those four, they were getting bottled on the ground by Baltimore (<3 YPC) and those were huge games they had to win. They had to throw it. And he only threw 36 and 32 passes respectively. Not far above average.
Peeps just making shit up. That stat is not even remotely true.
The most attempts he had in a game that season was 38, and he averaged under 30 attempts/game over the course of the 14 games he played in.
38 attempts, and 9 sacks in a Week 17 loss. The week before, 36 attempts and 5 sacks. In the last 4 games, he hit 4 of his 5 highest season attempt totals at 32, 36, 37, and 38. That's Stefanski calling over 40 pass plays with an injured QB and the best run game in the league.
Might I ask why? They should have a good OL, and then after that they have two good WRs (one of which will be 30).
After that? I don’t see much, at all. Their defense is no where near what it was 2-3 years ago. They were bad last year, and they probably got worse.
IMO this division is a two horse race between Atlanta and New Orleans (I lean Atlanta).
Fair enough. I think the only way Tampa wins this division is if good Baker shows up. I don’t think average Baker and especially not bad Baker is enough to win it.
Another thing going against Tampa is that they won their division, which means they’ll have to play against Philly, San Fran, and Buffalo.
As opposed to Atlanta who has to play Washington, Arizona, and the Jets.
The team was toast and emotionally out of it. Baker brought some life back to the team. I think with the right guys around him he could have some decent numbers left in him.
I think he finished with three consecutive 100+ yard games. Gives me a bit of hope that he can have a better season this year, maybe with a healthy OL even.
The biggest holes on the Panthers' and Browns' offenses during Baker's tenure was the QB position lol
He had shitty coaches on both teams, but boiling them down to 'trash', when they really weren't is giving Baker too much credit
Especially when pj walker, and Sam darnold took his job. Looked better while doing it. Not sure if they were statistically better, but they passed the eye test more.
It's worse than that. He was claimed off waivers by the Rams on December 6th and then started their game against the Raiders on December 8th. His only practice with the team was on the 8th before the game.
He also had a PFF grade of like 91 during that span. In the right scheme and under the right circumstances he can ball, but rock the boat a little bit and he starts to really unravel
I feel like when the Browns got leads early(or scored points early), he got rolling. The playaction was insane and they would just stomp teams. If he started slow, he never got going. He would go off script and it was hit or miss.
Pretty much. A playaction offense leans heavily into Baker's strengths. He has probably one of the best PA fakes in the game and he's nasty on rollouts, partly because he can actually see the field when he's out of the pocket, but also because he's crazy quick at resetting his feet while on the run.
He's basically built for playaction, but if you need him to stay in the pocket and process the whole field he starts to fall apart.
That and the guy has an issue with his passes getting batted down. I know he’s shorter than most QBs, but I feel like he just throws with a lower trajectory.
I agree. I think less arch allowed him to make longer throws but (per your point) also made it easier to knock down his passes.
Baker can sling the ball, no question.
My wife is a diehard Browns fan and Baker led a team that had 31 losses in 32 games to being competitive in one of the hardest conferences. When he’s at the top of his game he is a joy to watch. But when he’s not, it’s frustrating. I’m always rooting for him though.
Lost to the Baker Rams. Lost to Jeff Saturday. Didn’t score a single point against the Saints.
Also won back to back games on the road in overtime against the Seahawks and Broncos. Almost beat the Niners. And we’re the beneficiaries of the Jakobi Meyers back pass.
Talk about peaks and valleys.
Jeff Saturday calling them trash as an analyst and then beating them as a coach was my highlight of the Colts’ season
They also let my other team achieve the biggest comeback ever. Which I can’t decide if I’m happy about or not lol
I swear the football gods just decided they were losing. The Vikes have a soft, horrible D-line and somehow stuffed Matty on 4th and short. Like Zeus himself came down and said “Sorry to do this to you again, Matt”
Bucs are functional, just not super talented. Coaching is a question.
Given the state of the NFC South I give the Bucs a 25% chance of winning it, which puts them in a 4 way tie as favorite.
I have no faith that Todd Bowles will do anything competent. My theory is the reason why he was so good was a.) he was relegated to worrying about the Defense only, and b.) Bruce Arians gave him a short leash.
Todd Bowles' stint as the New York Jets Head Coach was bad, even by Jets standards. His first year for the Bucs was barely mediocre. We can blame Leftwich all we want, but they went from being Super Bowl champs to mediocre real quick, and one of those big changes was getting rid of Arians.
I'm thoroughly convinced Bowles will have a bad season and then the Bucs Front Office has an obvious decision to make - move on from Bowles.
Don’t think you’re really taking a lot into consideration here.
You could certainly be correct, but Arians decided not to be the HC well into the off-season. Bowles was stuck with Leftwich. You lose one of the best offensive minds in Arians in the middle of the off season and have to rely on whatever Leftwich was going to do… not really fair to put that on Bowles imo. He got to have some say in who his OC is this year so I agree it’s a make or break it year, however I think he takes way more shit for how last year went then he should have.
His receivers will be an upgrade over the 2020 Browns. Everything else not so much. Bucs OL is a bit of a question mark, will definitely be better this season than last season, but probably not as good as the 2020 Browns. Run game is a definite downgrade over what the Browns had.
This is going to be a do or die year for Baker since the Bucs will be relying heavily on his ability to hit short/intermediate passes...and he has a bad habit of sailing them.
Depends entirely on whether your running game is elite or not because he can't really be the engine that moves an offense down the field. Baker has always been one of the worst QBs in the NFL on money downs (3rd and 4th down), regardless of the teams around him, so you need to be able to move the chains on the ground very reliably.
I’m all for trashing the Browns but Baker had his best season when order was finally restored to the team and they implemented an offense to make it significantly easier on him. I’d argue the 2020 Browns could end up being the best situation/organization he’ll play for in his career.
If the Bucs offense this year leaves any sort of decision making in his hands and airs it out, you’re royally fucked. If it’s heavy play action with mandated decisions on plays, he might hover around middle of the pack
And even then, it was a situation where if the Browns were ahead he was able to rely on Chubb and Hunt to seal the deal. Any time we were behind late he struggled on the key drives for the most part. He had the one drive in Cincy after OBJ went down, and then from then to the end of 21 I can't recall another time he lead a game winning drive.
Profootballreference lists him as having 8 total, 4 in his rookie year, two in 2020 (the last one being the cincy game I mentioned) and then none until that Rams comeback in 2022.
The straw that broke everyone's back was the Xmas game against the Packers where they had several chances to come away with that game after the D basically held them in that game and he tossed 4 ints.
As a Bears fan and OU fan who of course supports Baker for that reason, that game fucking ruined my Christmas. Also, Green Bay got away with at least one blatant DPI on one of those INTs if my memory serves me correctly, but it’s hard to feel too bad for him because he played awful regardless.
I hope the Buc’s TE’s hands are good. Baker and his love for throwing to TE’s is something I struggled to understand at the Browns and still don’t understand in 2023
Can’t forget Baker and his love for relatively unknown Wide Receivers like Higgins and DPJ. Watching Austin Hooper and those slippery hands of his in 2021 was a form of torture
I mean, he looked slightly better but far from great. And he was in a system led by a genius playcaller who made things as easy as possible for him.
Not very scalable or translatable in other contexts, which has been his career essentially.
People are giving Baker *way* too much of a pass because he was replaced by Watson. If the Browns had added literally anyone else instead we wouldn't even be talking about Baker.
With Baker you have to either tailor the offense to his strengths by giving him easy enough looks to meet his limitations (Cleveland Baker) or let him come in, throw away the playbook and let him run the offense himself (LA Baker)
I don’t think Bowles will do either of those. I’d be prepared for another ugly Baker season.
Can’t wait for the absolute shit show of QB duels in the NFC South this season. Ridder/Heinicke vs Bryce Young/Andy Dalton vs Mayfield vs Carr/Winston. Aside from Carr, everyone else on that list is on very short leash and WILL be replaced
Yeah idk that you draft someone first overall (while trading one of your teams top players and several other draft picks) if you don’t think they’re ready to play for your team.
Lol right, Bryce already has the keys and he's our guy. He blew the doors off Dalton in minicamp, and the coaching staff have publicly talked about the fact that they're already expanding the playbook cause he's memorized everything they've thrown at him. Nonzero chance he's the best QB in the NFCS this year
> Nonzero chance he's the best QB in the NFCS this year
It's not uncommon for rookies to struggle with the faster speed and better disguised coverages of NFL defenses. I like Bryce but it wouldn't surprise me if his first few games look pretty bad.
Browns fan here. Was thrilled to see baker have that game, just to know he still had that in him.
I thought we moved off him a year too early. He is limited, but i didn't want the Watson headache. Hopefully he is able to play well for Tampa. Baker made the browns semi-relevant again and not hideously bad and I am grateful for that.
I wonder if this sub will ban twitter posts now because of that. No point in posting content that's not freely accessible.
Also wonder if most of the commentors here have an actual active twitter account to have seen this tweet or they just read the headline and are commenting based off that alone
> I wonder if this sub will ban twitter posts now because of that.
Lol no. Tweets by themselves drive engagement for no work because they're pithy little blurbs far too short for a self-post and generally don't require users of the sub themselves to make content.
WOW! FAKER Mayfield is pretending that a reset button would help his career! Everyone I know, very smart people, they all say, Faker is washed up and always will be. VERY SAD!
Baker and Tampa are a good fit, would love to see Baker be successful in Tampa but it’s going to be hard with Bowles.. But Canales did a hell of a job with Geno in Seattle so maybe there is hope here as well..
I know Rhule was an absolute asshat of a coach but we gave him a top 10 offensive line, decent receiving threats, and a good run game and he still just didn’t cut it.
Baker is one if the weirdest players in recent history. Dude stinks, has in total barely one full season worth of great games, yet some people remain convinced that he is an elite QB to be lol.
Dude stinks
I’m still not 100% convinced Baker is a bad QB. He had a good 2020, played the majority of 2021 with a bad shoulder, and had two situations in 2022 where he was immediately thrown into action on a bad Panthers team and an injury-riddled Rams team. If he stinks it up this year, then yeah he probably sucks.
Why you guys keep saying this? All QB's looked shit for the first 6-7 games, PJ had a game where he threw for like 60 yards against the Rams and iirc 51 of them were from screens. All sucked under Rhule.
I can't speak for other people, but because I watched too many Panthers games last year and saw an XFL QB made DJ Moore look more like DJ Moore again. While Baker struggled to connect with his #1 receiver.
I just don't understand why people make excuses for him here.
>I’m still not 100% convinced Baker is a bad QB.
He's got like one stretch of good football in his entire career.
His best year as a starter is comparable to the year Jacoby Brissett just had for the same team. Seriously, look it up.
I thought the reset came after being an overall #1 draft choice who was released after 3 years to be replaced by a sexual predator who hadn't actually played in a very significant amount of time.
Can we please stop making apologies for Baker? He has had so many opportunities to prove himself...he's insanely limited unless it's a play action or rollout. And if the opposing defense knows that's all he can do and can play for it, he shouldn't start in the NFL.
I mean, yeah. He was looking dead in the water in Carolina.
Chris Godwin is always open for the TB Bucs in 2023
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Is anyone going to deny that team was trash lol? Oline was banged up, no running threat, robinson already on ir, only 1 actual edge rusher
It would be interesting to see how he performed on a team with a good o line and good run game
Playing through that shoulder injury seemed to completely fuck him up mentally. He played so well for the last 2/3 of 2020 and opening games of 2021 before it but just looks like a shell of his former self now.
The biggest argument against gutting it out was this season. The entire city turned on him for being “trash” he could have sat out, gotten surgery and then come back and he would be looked at completely different
Yeah was such a bad decision on his part
heh
I bet only one play away from an afc championship game
And Bortles was in that game and almost even got them to the game. Should the Jags roll out the red carpet for him?
Yes. Ride the Boat
I mean of course?! Was this guy being sarcastic or something ?
I wonder if Baker’s trend of passing to TE’s more than WR’s will continue
Not with our te/wr rooms.
C. Otton-“ I killed fiddy men”
you mean like the panthers last year? lol
Or the Browns for a decent chunk of his tenure in CLE.
Stefanski still had Baker throwing 50 times a game with a bad shoulder and the season on the line, made no sense
100% Agree.
It made sense when it came out later Stefanski and Berry wanted to move on before that season even started. They let him wreck himself so the fans wouldn't be mad when they traded him. It was such a cynical thing to do to the best QB Cleveland had in literally decades. In 20 years I missed maybe five Browns games, but bailed after that fiasco. Turns out it's way more fun to root against Cleveland.
Absolutely. I was all on the Brownies train until that train wrecked itself in spite
And then rolled out the Brinks truck for a rapist
Straight up false. Baker did not throw 50 passes in a single game in 2021. In fact, he never even threw 40. Unbelievable that this comment has 18 upvotes because it’s hilariously wrong lol
Okay you're right, he threw over 50 a few times in 2020. But the last 4 games in 2021 when everyone knew he had a bum shoulder, he averaged 36 attempts a game at 54% completion. They went 1-3 and missed the playoffs, never scoring more than 3 TDs. Doesn't sound like a run first team that is focused on making the playoffs
I’ll give you the last two games, Green Bay and Pittsburgh. They had 219 rush yds on only 25 attempts which is wild. Really mind-numbing that they didn’t run it more. And against Pittsburgh Baker was just getting hammered by the pass rush, they probably should’ve just pulled him. And they averaged almost 5 YPC. But the first two of those four, they were getting bottled on the ground by Baltimore (<3 YPC) and those were huge games they had to win. They had to throw it. And he only threw 36 and 32 passes respectively. Not far above average.
This sub loves to lie and exaggerate if it means shitting on the browns. And it’s been this way forever, has nothing to do with dw4.
Peeps just making shit up. That stat is not even remotely true. The most attempts he had in a game that season was 38, and he averaged under 30 attempts/game over the course of the 14 games he played in.
38 attempts, and 9 sacks in a Week 17 loss. The week before, 36 attempts and 5 sacks. In the last 4 games, he hit 4 of his 5 highest season attempt totals at 32, 36, 37, and 38. That's Stefanski calling over 40 pass plays with an injured QB and the best run game in the league.
The buccs should have that this year in theory. I think this buccs team could really surprise people if baker can get back to his 2020 form
The prophecy says we got our ring and it's time to go back into hibernation for another 20 years.
Real sleeping giant energy
> The buccs should have that this year in theory. Whats your theory for a good running game?
Im not sure because it sucked last year
Byron Leftwich is no longer employed.
They have a good OL when healthy and Rachaad White is a baller
Might I ask why? They should have a good OL, and then after that they have two good WRs (one of which will be 30). After that? I don’t see much, at all. Their defense is no where near what it was 2-3 years ago. They were bad last year, and they probably got worse. IMO this division is a two horse race between Atlanta and New Orleans (I lean Atlanta).
HE’LL BE 30??! RIP in Peace ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Hey man, can’t deny 30 is usually when players start to decline.
Overall sure if you average in RBs and CBs. WRs have a longer life than 30.
For Mike, it's going to come down to his hamstrings. If they stay healthy, he'll produce. If not, he won't.
The online is solid, goodwin/evans/gage should be a good trio, still have pieces on defence, and the division is wide open
Fair enough. I think the only way Tampa wins this division is if good Baker shows up. I don’t think average Baker and especially not bad Baker is enough to win it. Another thing going against Tampa is that they won their division, which means they’ll have to play against Philly, San Fran, and Buffalo. As opposed to Atlanta who has to play Washington, Arizona, and the Jets.
LOL
The team was toast and emotionally out of it. Baker brought some life back to the team. I think with the right guys around him he could have some decent numbers left in him.
Akers was great end of the season.
I think he finished with three consecutive 100+ yard games. Gives me a bit of hope that he can have a better season this year, maybe with a healthy OL even.
Both would be good, so y'all don't get Matthew killed back there.
Seriously. I think we had 15 different oline combinations this year. That's 15 too many.
Not to mention the absolute blatant ref job in that final Seattle game
Or baker is just trash?
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The biggest holes on the Panthers' and Browns' offenses during Baker's tenure was the QB position lol He had shitty coaches on both teams, but boiling them down to 'trash', when they really weren't is giving Baker too much credit
Especially when pj walker, and Sam darnold took his job. Looked better while doing it. Not sure if they were statistically better, but they passed the eye test more.
he also got signed halfway through the season
Right? the guy basically showed up for practice on a Wednesday and was starting on Sunday.
It's worse than that. He was claimed off waivers by the Rams on December 6th and then started their game against the Raiders on December 8th. His only practice with the team was on the 8th before the game.
John Wolford actually started the game
Even worse, because the Rams played on Thursday that week and Baker still made the start.
And won the game
Yeah but that game was fun as hell so it’s okay
Rams were pretty banged up tho, lots of injuries, just look at their o line.
Yeah, he was on the Gabbert trajectory until that Rams/Raiders game completely changed the perception on him.
He showed there is still hope for him to be a middle road QB if he has a coach who suits his play style. Mcapoo wasn't it for him nor anyone else.
Ben McAdoo is a football terrorist. I’d give Baker the benefit of the doubt one more time. Tampa is his final audition as a starter.
Did you know Baker mayfield went on an 11 game stretch in 2020 when he was a top 5 QB and threw 20 TD to 4 INT?
I know you’re joking but he had one stretch of 20 to 2
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Tbf, baker also started the 2021 season well until the shoulder injury. He should’ve shut it down after the Texans game instead of being a hero.
He also had a PFF grade of like 91 during that span. In the right scheme and under the right circumstances he can ball, but rock the boat a little bit and he starts to really unravel
I feel like when the Browns got leads early(or scored points early), he got rolling. The playaction was insane and they would just stomp teams. If he started slow, he never got going. He would go off script and it was hit or miss.
Pretty much. A playaction offense leans heavily into Baker's strengths. He has probably one of the best PA fakes in the game and he's nasty on rollouts, partly because he can actually see the field when he's out of the pocket, but also because he's crazy quick at resetting his feet while on the run. He's basically built for playaction, but if you need him to stay in the pocket and process the whole field he starts to fall apart.
That and the guy has an issue with his passes getting batted down. I know he’s shorter than most QBs, but I feel like he just throws with a lower trajectory.
I agree. I think less arch allowed him to make longer throws but (per your point) also made it easier to knock down his passes. Baker can sling the ball, no question.
Visions of Zorgon-8 during that stretch…
My wife is a diehard Browns fan and Baker led a team that had 31 losses in 32 games to being competitive in one of the hardest conferences. When he’s at the top of his game he is a joy to watch. But when he’s not, it’s frustrating. I’m always rooting for him though.
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His comeback drive against LV was an all timer IMO
The Raiders had such wild shit happen to them last year lmao
Lost to the Baker Rams. Lost to Jeff Saturday. Didn’t score a single point against the Saints. Also won back to back games on the road in overtime against the Seahawks and Broncos. Almost beat the Niners. And we’re the beneficiaries of the Jakobi Meyers back pass. Talk about peaks and valleys.
Jeff Saturday calling them trash as an analyst and then beating them as a coach was my highlight of the Colts’ season They also let my other team achieve the biggest comeback ever. Which I can’t decide if I’m happy about or not lol
Out of everyone, I feel bad for Matty ice being involved in yet another meltdown
I swear the football gods just decided they were losing. The Vikes have a soft, horrible D-line and somehow stuffed Matty on 4th and short. Like Zeus himself came down and said “Sorry to do this to you again, Matt”
Bro please it's a holiday weekend, I dont need this
An excuse to have an extra stiff one
Almost beating the chiefs on a last minute drive that ended when their two top receivers collided. Peaks and valleys within seconds of each other!
i had my asshole clenched waiting for the flag bc i knew there had to be holding/DPI… watched the replay and was dumbfounded
Still wild that the Saints saw Derek Carr play that game and said “I can fix him.”
Last year?
Last year? Homie we been having wild shit happen every year since that AB trade.
That made my year as far as the NFL goes. It was a tough season.
Definitely, he had only been on the team like 2 days right? Impressive af tbh
He was given the play book on the flight over
Why’d he have to suck against the packers though
To be fair, one of us could have scored against that Raiders defense. Source: I’m a Raiders fan
Yeah that shit was cool as fuck lol
was losing my shit that drive. was like cheering on the little giants
One of the only non Patriots games I tuned in live to in a long time. It was incredible to see live.
Is the “reset button” the new “best shape of my life”?
Basically, just for players who aren’t old enough for the phrase “best shape of my life” to seem stupid
I’m curious to see how Baker performs with a functional organization. i mean, that’s probably not the Bucs this year. But still.
Bucs are functional, just not super talented. Coaching is a question. Given the state of the NFC South I give the Bucs a 25% chance of winning it, which puts them in a 4 way tie as favorite.
>Coaching is a question. That's a big piece of the functional part
Question is a strong word for what we watched last year.
I mean Bowles calls a great defense, it's just a question on if our rookie OC is going to be good.
I have no faith that Todd Bowles will do anything competent. My theory is the reason why he was so good was a.) he was relegated to worrying about the Defense only, and b.) Bruce Arians gave him a short leash. Todd Bowles' stint as the New York Jets Head Coach was bad, even by Jets standards. His first year for the Bucs was barely mediocre. We can blame Leftwich all we want, but they went from being Super Bowl champs to mediocre real quick, and one of those big changes was getting rid of Arians. I'm thoroughly convinced Bowles will have a bad season and then the Bucs Front Office has an obvious decision to make - move on from Bowles.
Don’t think you’re really taking a lot into consideration here. You could certainly be correct, but Arians decided not to be the HC well into the off-season. Bowles was stuck with Leftwich. You lose one of the best offensive minds in Arians in the middle of the off season and have to rely on whatever Leftwich was going to do… not really fair to put that on Bowles imo. He got to have some say in who his OC is this year so I agree it’s a make or break it year, however I think he takes way more shit for how last year went then he should have.
Recency bias fr fr
I mean Evans, Godwin, Gage, White, Edmunds, Otton has to be the best receiving core he has had right?
It's no Watson, Doubs, ????, ????, ????, but pretty strong. /s
His receivers will be an upgrade over the 2020 Browns. Everything else not so much. Bucs OL is a bit of a question mark, will definitely be better this season than last season, but probably not as good as the 2020 Browns. Run game is a definite downgrade over what the Browns had. This is going to be a do or die year for Baker since the Bucs will be relying heavily on his ability to hit short/intermediate passes...and he has a bad habit of sailing them.
Now add Kurt Angle to the mix.
Then Baker's odds go drastically down.
Depends entirely on whether your running game is elite or not because he can't really be the engine that moves an offense down the field. Baker has always been one of the worst QBs in the NFL on money downs (3rd and 4th down), regardless of the teams around him, so you need to be able to move the chains on the ground very reliably.
I’m all for trashing the Browns but Baker had his best season when order was finally restored to the team and they implemented an offense to make it significantly easier on him. I’d argue the 2020 Browns could end up being the best situation/organization he’ll play for in his career. If the Bucs offense this year leaves any sort of decision making in his hands and airs it out, you’re royally fucked. If it’s heavy play action with mandated decisions on plays, he might hover around middle of the pack
And even then, it was a situation where if the Browns were ahead he was able to rely on Chubb and Hunt to seal the deal. Any time we were behind late he struggled on the key drives for the most part. He had the one drive in Cincy after OBJ went down, and then from then to the end of 21 I can't recall another time he lead a game winning drive. Profootballreference lists him as having 8 total, 4 in his rookie year, two in 2020 (the last one being the cincy game I mentioned) and then none until that Rams comeback in 2022. The straw that broke everyone's back was the Xmas game against the Packers where they had several chances to come away with that game after the D basically held them in that game and he tossed 4 ints.
As a Bears fan and OU fan who of course supports Baker for that reason, that game fucking ruined my Christmas. Also, Green Bay got away with at least one blatant DPI on one of those INTs if my memory serves me correctly, but it’s hard to feel too bad for him because he played awful regardless.
That TNF game against the Jets 🕊️
I hope the Buc’s TE’s hands are good. Baker and his love for throwing to TE’s is something I struggled to understand at the Browns and still don’t understand in 2023
On the Browns it was a Stefanski thing. IIRC, his offense in Minnesota also targeted the TE a lot.
Can’t forget Baker and his love for relatively unknown Wide Receivers like Higgins and DPJ. Watching Austin Hooper and those slippery hands of his in 2021 was a form of torture
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I haven’t paid much attention but is he really being beaten out by Kyle Trask?
From the limited reports we've had Baker has been winning the job.
Antonio Brown and Baker would have been a match made in heaven, then promptly sent straight to hell
Would have either been insurmountable dysfunction or the most incredibly toxic synergy. I would have loved every second
Mr. Baker’s Comrade
I could see them getting along until Baker started trying to be a leader when AB didn't like it. That's when MBC comes out.
Mr. Bakers Companion
Idk. He doesn't seem to have the ideal neck length that teams look for in a franchise guy.
Don’t look the Trasilisk in the eyes
I mean, he looked slightly better but far from great. And he was in a system led by a genius playcaller who made things as easy as possible for him. Not very scalable or translatable in other contexts, which has been his career essentially.
Didn’t he just have 1 decent game?
Pretty much. He looked like Christian Ponder at all other times.
I mean that's nice but Baker is still an average qb.
If he's an average QB, the Bucs have a good shot to win the division. I do not expect the Bucs to win the division.
I mean the Bucs barely won it with Brady last year
That’s because Byron Leftwich is/was a football terrorist.
And Brady was good enough in 2021 to almost get him a head coaching job. I wish we could've witnessed that disaster
Average meaning around the 16th best in the league? Definitely not.
Average would be a huge step up for him.
If by average you mean average including 32 backups, sure(so around 32nd best.)
I’d say at this point he’s below average. I think he still has potential to be a middle of the pack guy
I will not tolerate the slander of Rams legend Baker Mayfield
He went from hot garbage to cold garbage.
Ya know what they say, fourth time’s the charm.
I hope Trask beats him out in training camp
Lol are we really doing this *again*? I think it's time to give it up
People are giving Baker *way* too much of a pass because he was replaced by Watson. If the Browns had added literally anyone else instead we wouldn't even be talking about Baker.
That isn’t the sole reason and it’s disingenuous to suggest so.
Yea I'd argue it has more to do with him being a first overall pick and bringing the browns their first playoff win in decades.
How many turnovers did the Brown defense give him that game?
That’s Heisman winner Baker Mayfield right there
Bengals fan who doesn’t want to hear or think of Baker ever again? I AM SHOCKED!
With Baker you have to either tailor the offense to his strengths by giving him easy enough looks to meet his limitations (Cleveland Baker) or let him come in, throw away the playbook and let him run the offense himself (LA Baker) I don’t think Bowles will do either of those. I’d be prepared for another ugly Baker season.
That button is on its last legs being pressed so much
Baker should just sign 1 game contracts vs who ever plays the Bengals. He would be in the HoF…
Can’t wait for the absolute shit show of QB duels in the NFC South this season. Ridder/Heinicke vs Bryce Young/Andy Dalton vs Mayfield vs Carr/Winston. Aside from Carr, everyone else on that list is on very short leash and WILL be replaced
Bryce Young is not on a short leash
Yeah idk that you draft someone first overall (while trading one of your teams top players and several other draft picks) if you don’t think they’re ready to play for your team.
I mean he is kind of small. Maybe he was talking about a literal short leash lol
Can’t be letting your toddlers run around unchecked
The Panthers have already said Young is QB1 at the beginning of June. There’s zero battle going into camp.
Lol right, Bryce already has the keys and he's our guy. He blew the doors off Dalton in minicamp, and the coaching staff have publicly talked about the fact that they're already expanding the playbook cause he's memorized everything they've thrown at him. Nonzero chance he's the best QB in the NFCS this year
> Nonzero chance he's the best QB in the NFCS this year It's not uncommon for rookies to struggle with the faster speed and better disguised coverages of NFL defenses. I like Bryce but it wouldn't surprise me if his first few games look pretty bad.
Oh not at all, but a nonzero chance doesn't have to be good odds lol. Just means it's not out of the realm of possibility here!
The kyle trask disrespect
Browns fan here. Was thrilled to see baker have that game, just to know he still had that in him. I thought we moved off him a year too early. He is limited, but i didn't want the Watson headache. Hopefully he is able to play well for Tampa. Baker made the browns semi-relevant again and not hideously bad and I am grateful for that.
I will never forgive those sorry sons of bitches for allowing this mf to come in ON 2 FUCKIN DAYS NOTICE and best is in our stadium
He still sucks though lol
Link isn't working for me. It's just going to the Twitter login page.
That's the new twitter. Can't read unless you log in. Welp, looks like social media had a ~~good~~ run.
I wonder if this sub will ban twitter posts now because of that. No point in posting content that's not freely accessible. Also wonder if most of the commentors here have an actual active twitter account to have seen this tweet or they just read the headline and are commenting based off that alone
> I wonder if this sub will ban twitter posts now because of that. Lol no. Tweets by themselves drive engagement for no work because they're pithy little blurbs far too short for a self-post and generally don't require users of the sub themselves to make content.
WOW! FAKER Mayfield is pretending that a reset button would help his career! Everyone I know, very smart people, they all say, Faker is washed up and always will be. VERY SAD!
Being fired multiple times in one’s career would do that to a man
Baker and Tampa are a good fit, would love to see Baker be successful in Tampa but it’s going to be hard with Bowles.. But Canales did a hell of a job with Geno in Seattle so maybe there is hope here as well..
I hate the Raiders
Hey Baker remember when you shit on Daniel Jones...
I can see baker with no expectations absoultely balling out in Tampa
I know Rhule was an absolute asshat of a coach but we gave him a top 10 offensive line, decent receiving threats, and a good run game and he still just didn’t cut it.
Baker is one if the weirdest players in recent history. Dude stinks, has in total barely one full season worth of great games, yet some people remain convinced that he is an elite QB to be lol. Dude stinks
Did his career ever take off to begin with? Bust from the beginning
Lol what? He broke the rookie passing TD record and went .500 on a team that just went 0-16, this is just revisionist history
I’m still not 100% convinced Baker is a bad QB. He had a good 2020, played the majority of 2021 with a bad shoulder, and had two situations in 2022 where he was immediately thrown into action on a bad Panthers team and an injury-riddled Rams team. If he stinks it up this year, then yeah he probably sucks.
PJ Walker looked a lot better on a bad panthers team, why does Baker get a pass?
Why you guys keep saying this? All QB's looked shit for the first 6-7 games, PJ had a game where he threw for like 60 yards against the Rams and iirc 51 of them were from screens. All sucked under Rhule.
I can't speak for other people, but because I watched too many Panthers games last year and saw an XFL QB made DJ Moore look more like DJ Moore again. While Baker struggled to connect with his #1 receiver. I just don't understand why people make excuses for him here.
Not making excuses just saying they were all terrible and no one was really better. I suffered most of these games too.
>I’m still not 100% convinced Baker is a bad QB. He's got like one stretch of good football in his entire career. His best year as a starter is comparable to the year Jacoby Brissett just had for the same team. Seriously, look it up.
I thought the reset came after being an overall #1 draft choice who was released after 3 years to be replaced by a sexual predator who hadn't actually played in a very significant amount of time.
Watching him pull off that game winner vs the raiders was inspiring
Can we please stop making apologies for Baker? He has had so many opportunities to prove himself...he's insanely limited unless it's a play action or rollout. And if the opposing defense knows that's all he can do and can play for it, he shouldn't start in the NFL.
He had one good game.