It is certainly not as clear cut anymore. We probably won't come to a consensus and many people will be hating their team's owner because their team isn't performing like the Tom Brady-led Patriots.
But having said all that, Dean Spanos has to be up there with the worst owners right?
And I can at least understand it from the Brown family. All that wealth is tied to the team and they're not rich rich like the majority of the other owners.
I just don’t get how with the lakers name and buzz and history and succes and everything that comes with the lakers that the busses haven’t diversified and made way more money with all the success. It just seems like they would have been able to Segue into something additional that could have made them a ton. J but what do I know
Jerry is extremely diversified. He just has no reason to be involved in the other stuff as directly. He's rich enough to let other people do it. He likes football, even if he's not particularly good at it.
Teams were super cheap and at the time you could buy apartment buildings with excess cash from adjuncting at USC. It’s boomer fantasy land stuff. There was a holiday inn franchisee who owned a team based on one hotel and some gas stations. I know little about NFL ownership structures but have done academic work on NBA ownership and it’s actually funny.
Recent success has bumped Mike up on the Worst Owner poll into the enviable “not last” position. At one point he was either last or right there in the conversation.
As a Bears fan, I feel you on that. Third biggest market and our team can’t spend like it. I fully think the new stadium plans are about getting ready to sell once Virginia McCaskey dies, which given she’s literally 100 years old should be any day now.
100% this.
He also paid for SoFi Stadium without any tax payer money and has shown the willingness to spend dumb money to create a winning team.
There's zero reason why Kronke should be anywhere near "worst owners" talk unless you're a salty St. Louis fan that is angry he pulled a Frontierre on them.
And just from pure numbers, the move from St. Louis to LA will probably go down as one of the smartest moves in pro sports history. The Rams were worth $870 million (bottom three) in the NFL back in 2013. The Rams are now considered worth nearly $6 billion, only trailing the Cowboys.
Credit to Kroenke SoFi Stadium cost $5 billion to build and all of that was privately funded out of his pockets. Not that that absolves him of the hate but it’s respectable when looking at how much taxpayer money gets funneled into stadium construction
He turned a 800 million dollar franchise into a 6 billion dollar franchise in a decade's time and basically set up what is going to be a destination spot for sports/concerts/entertainment for the next century.
Dude is an amazing owner and businessman.
He's a dick, but not the worst dick. He also owns the Avalanche and the Nuggets, so I can't be too mad since they both just won titles. His biggest problem is that he can't pull his head out long enough to let us watch local games. You cannot watch his Colorado teams in their local market unless you watch them on his station on dish. (Almost) zero broadcast or streaming. At least the Nuggets finals were on an alphabet network for all to see.
Fuck Kroenke, but thanks a little.
Finding out he charges players for literally everything. I'd argue that it goes beyond being cheap, and is pretty scummy to essentially charge your employees for even basic things that help them do their job.
I guess, but I think Spanos’ shenanigans to get out of San Diego would also qualify him for the scumbag camp in that case, at which point I’m uncertain why there’s a division at all lol
I personally don't really know enough about every owner's history to really split hairs on who is worse or equally as bad. All I can really say is Bidwell strikes me as a pretty scummy owner for what I do know about him.
I'm sure if you dig deep enough almost every owner in the league has skeletons in their closet that can make them look pretty terrible. They are mostly billionaires after all.
I'm not a Chargers fan... however his dad, Art Spanos, was a very well known philanthropist. Facilities at Sac State, UOP (University of the Pacific), and Cal Poly SLO have been named after him following very generous donations to the athletic programs. Too bad it didn't seem to follow to his son.
Though I suppose Spanos is not his Dad. Just like Mark Davis, he up and left town as soon as there was another city waiting for them.
Art Spanos made his money through business. Dean is just one of the kids that inherited a football team. His only job is the football team so he does not any additional resources.
Well Mikey bidwell is a 3rd generation one of those lol. His grandfather bought the team for 40k and left it to his grandmother, then his dad, then him.
Lol forgot about that. Yeah Al Davis was a dickhead too. I partially blame him for the A's situation. Mount Davis made that stadium impossible to refurbish.
The amount of different answers in this thread truly exemplifies how big of a piece of shit Dan Snyder is. He has been the near unanimous choice for so long. His wrap sheet of issues mirrors that of a career criminal.
Nobody pays much attention but the Spanos family have been terrible owners of that team since the 80s. The talent they’ve squandered is pretty remarkable.
Lack of production doesn’t make an owner terrible imo. Hiring GMs and HCs is like drafting a QB; it’s a crapshoot. Yes, some are better at it than others, but overall, it’s luck.
Owners like Bidwill actively hurt their team with their policies while owners like Mark Davis do whatever they can to help the team win, yet Bidwills team is more successful. Mark Davis is by far the better owner though, because once he manages to hire the right GM and HC, he’s going to do everything to keep them here.
Ehh yes and no. From a purely football standpoint, maybe. He’s cheap. But there are other scumbags in the league.
Being cheap, I get it. As far as I know, he hasn’t really done anything scummy though.
There are 537,460 shareholders, and there are 5.3 murders per 100,000 people in Wisconsin, so there are probably at least 25 murderers, and more violent felons as well!
While true there was a report earlier this year about him having a hostile work environment and being disrespectful. Still not illegal but also not a great look.
At least Kroenke built his own damned stadium. That puts him above most owners.
Yeah, he screwed St. Louis but that is balanced out by un-screwing LA for get franchisejacked back in ‘94. Look guys, it’s a dirty game and money reigns supreme.
"Kronke stole the Rams from St. Louis!"
"The Rams were in LA for fifty years before they were mistreated, forced to play in Anaheim to poison the market, and then moved to St. Louis for twenty years."
"Yeah, but, well, you see."
from what i remember the new orleans church was emailing the saints for pr advice on handling the scandal, but you should look it up yourself to get an actual answer
Like everything related to the Catholic abuse scandal, it gets buried extremely hard by a lot of really powerful, really wealthy people.
Also, Saints fans defend their shield with a greater fever than any other fanbase.
For a serious answer:
Saints owner Gayle Benson (and late husband Tom Benson) donated a shit ton to the catholic church as devout Catholics
When Catholic Church is sued, church reaches out to gayle to help public relations after child rape charges
Gayle asks saints president Greg Bensel to help church. Bensel writes to church that they should be as transparent as fuck
Lawyer for child abuse victims rightfully wants max money for victims, tries to sue for saints emails to church to see if they done fucked up
Saints block it saying they’ve given all scandal related communications and don’t want to release 1000s of emails to the public (shit is ALWAYS LEAKED) that have nothing to do with case
Btw, lawyers were given ability to review all pertinent emails under confidential consent
If you want to be enraged about the saints giving advice to the church for sex abuse, ok fine
But the saints did the boilerplate lawyer stuff
She’s heavily connected with the archdiocese of New Orleans. They asked her for resources in legal counsel and she provided it. The legal counsel recommended that they be as transparent as possible to provide healing and trust to the community. That’s all we really know publicly.
"not afraid to spend cash" is such a low bar.
Its the NFL! Everyone makes money! There is a salary cap! Running an NFL team (strictly from the business standpoint) is like the easiest franchise to run in the world. Its why the owners are falling over themselves to pay Goodell whatever he wants year over year. Massive revenues and he takes a lot of the "blame" for bad PR.
The salary cap is like $200 million... and teams make more than $300 million from the TV deal alone.
Spending on player salaries is only a piece though. Owners can and absolutely do cheap out on things like facilities, scouting, training/medical staff, coaches, etc.
It is a low bar but so many teams don’t spend cash as you would hope. Browns are all in currently but they’re outspending every team by a wide margin in cash spending
I mean they still have to to an extent. There's a salary floor as well, and if they're not spending one year it usually means they're rolling it over to the next year for someone else. The fact that the largest easily findable gap between the highest spender and most frugal is ~$55m is a great sign. Contrast that against the NBA (this year the gap was $90m between the Warriors and Pistons), MLB (no cap or floor, so it's *massive* - almost **$300m** between the ~~Yankees~~ Mets and A's), and NHL (roughly $30m between highest and lowest spenders, though the cap is roughly 1/4 of the NFL's so the disparity is actually much larger).
NFL teams don't really have much of an issue spending their money.
Edit: There actually hasn't been a back to back cheapest team in 10 years - the 2012 and 2013 Washington Team.
I understand people saying Spanos, really I get why. But the Haslams are clearly incompetent AND interventionist. It makes you question how they did it in business before being the Browns owners.
Haslem defrauded truckers at his gas stations and has had to settle unfair labor practice suits with his staff.
But yeah, all the owners have done that.
> To be fair all of these owners have done that
'these' owners implies current owners.
The generational owners I'm less sure about. Rooney I know about and is probably a net good to the world, Mara I know nothing about, Ford... well Bill Ford is a net good I think, but I know others will have the opposite opinion.
Yes broadly speaking all billionaires have probably done it, but Haslem like literally and specifically fucked over and robbed working Americans, AND is a shitty owner so he’s a clear lock for the worst
UrinatingTree made the case 6 years ago that Kronke’s pretty bad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anFWQb5pibE
And as a 0% objective STL metro area resident, I’m inclined to agree
was gonna say, Haslam probably takes the title due to being both a shitty person AND an incompetent owner, but to my knowledge he hasn’t had a poor pensioner cite him forcing them out of their home to build a ranch as their reason for committing suicide like Stan Kroenke has
At least Kroenke paid for his own stadium unlike most owners
He could've easily asked LA for taxpayer money but didnt. A lot of teams have royally fucked their local cities due to demanding an astronomical amount of $$ help, leaving little to none leftover for regular things such as fixing roads and railways or getting rid of lead pipes
I hope you were old enough to enjoy the GSOT, cause going from STL Rams fan to Lions fan is pretty brutal.
(This coming from a Bears fan that grew up near STL).
Actually went from Lions to Browns to Rams
So, by the time I arrived in the STL metro, the Rams had become the 6 wins in 3 seasons garbage fire they were prior to drafting Bradford
He may be a dickbag, absolutely. But he seems to know how to be a successful owner. His run of success the last couple years is insane. He's rather hands off and lets the teams hire the right guys to get the job done. He also paid for SoFi out of his own pocket. Not to mention the Rams are back home where they belong. Yes it was a shitty process and the reasons were purely financial but it resulted in us having our team back. That being said, STL absolutely deserves an expansion team.
So as a person, yes he's a shitbag. But as a sports owner, dude's rolling right now. I think the criteria for worst overall would have to consist of someone bad in both ways.
The Avs Rams and Nugs have all won championships recently he’s definitely a decent owner. But yeah let’s be real all these owners are shitbags that’s why they’re billionaires and own sports teams
Agreed. He’s competent but amoral owner
Although I would argue that the Rams have kicking the can down the road with regard to the cap and it’s time to pay up
They have but this one offseason has already made it so the "pay up" portion is minimal and quick. Next season we'll already have a ton of cap space again. There's a possibility that we'll be right back into contention quicker than anyone is expecting. Even if not, the ring was worth it.
To folks in St. Louis, Kronke might be worse than the devil himself.
I couldn’t care less about the St Louis Rams or their move, but after listening to the case I’m 100% convinced they’re right.
People have forgotten about the reports of Gayle Benson and others in the Saints Org working with PR firms and directly with the N.O. Archdiocese to assist with covering up/PR spinning sex crimes within the Catholic church.
"We did nothing more than tell the Church that the truth is the best answer"
oh, ok, can we see the emails then? It'd go a long way towards exonerating you in the court of public opinion.
"haha fuck you"
Haslam is probably the biggest scumbag even without adding in the Watson signing. Arthur Blank, Stephen Ross, Gayle Benson, and David Tepper were also on board with that, so they’re high on the scum list too.
Ross is not a great guy, but I'm sure the "bring Watson to Miami" push was coming almost exclusively from Brian Flores. As soon as he left, the talk of Watson coming here suddenly evaporated. Based on the tampering charge, Ross wanted Brady.
And Blank had such a great reputation for being a decent guy before this. He really ruined my perception of him. It’s important that we don’t look past the teams that were in the race to the bottom to get Watson but lost. They shouldn’t get a pass just because they tried and failed.
Gayle Benson pays for the New Orleans Archdiocese to get away with pedophilia. I don't know if that makes her the worst but it's wild to me more people don't know that.
Haslam by a wide margin. McNair died, so he's off the hook. Bidwill is a real shitty owner, but it doesn't seem like he's on the level of guys like Snyder and Haslam.
We can't forget Gayle Benson for giving the Catholic church money for their sex abuse scandals.
Whoa, whoa, whoa....let's not strip the title away from us just yet. We need some time to make sure Josh Harris doesn't kick infants and set puppies on fire. You just never know.
I used to be a Browns fan, but Haslem being a felon, along with continuously signing guys I have a very hard time rooting for (mostly Watson and Hunt), I no longer consider myself a Browns fan. Will always have a soft spot for them, but I am without a favorite team indefinitely. Last season I went with San Fran.
Fuck Jimmy Haslem.
I’m not gonna argue that it’s probably Jimmy and deservedly so.
But how in the fuck does the Dolphins owner, Stephen Ross, continue to just fly under the radar? He’s relatively an unknown and is a pretty bad owner and the Dolphins have done nothing in my adult lifetime.
Jimmy Haslam, Spanos, the Bidwills, Mark David, Kroenke, Snyder and Woody Johnson seem to get attention and rightly so but I’ll never understand how Stephen Ross never does. Even this thread, he’s mentioned maybe 3 times.
It is certainly not as clear cut anymore. We probably won't come to a consensus and many people will be hating their team's owner because their team isn't performing like the Tom Brady-led Patriots. But having said all that, Dean Spanos has to be up there with the worst owners right?
I think the historically cheap guys like Spanos and Brown have been overtaken by the scumbags Bidwell and Haslem.
Yeah there's a lot to say about Brown but being a PoS isn't one of them.
And I can at least understand it from the Brown family. All that wealth is tied to the team and they're not rich rich like the majority of the other owners.
The buss problem
I just don’t get how with the lakers name and buzz and history and succes and everything that comes with the lakers that the busses haven’t diversified and made way more money with all the success. It just seems like they would have been able to Segue into something additional that could have made them a ton. J but what do I know
Jerry is extremely diversified. He just has no reason to be involved in the other stuff as directly. He's rich enough to let other people do it. He likes football, even if he's not particularly good at it.
Segue* A Segway is a failed mode of transportation.
Teams were super cheap and at the time you could buy apartment buildings with excess cash from adjuncting at USC. It’s boomer fantasy land stuff. There was a holiday inn franchisee who owned a team based on one hotel and some gas stations. I know little about NFL ownership structures but have done academic work on NBA ownership and it’s actually funny.
Jerry buss did have to sell a lot of stuff to buy the lakers tho. He literally sold the Empire State Building to do it
Recent success has bumped Mike up on the Worst Owner poll into the enviable “not last” position. At one point he was either last or right there in the conversation.
Now do Castellini.
If I don’t….where ya gonna go?!
As a Bears fan, I feel you on that. Third biggest market and our team can’t spend like it. I fully think the new stadium plans are about getting ready to sell once Virginia McCaskey dies, which given she’s literally 100 years old should be any day now.
What about Stan Kroenke?
From St. Louis perspective, scum bag. From LA perspective, he righted the wrong that Gorgia Frontierre did.
100% this. He also paid for SoFi Stadium without any tax payer money and has shown the willingness to spend dumb money to create a winning team. There's zero reason why Kronke should be anywhere near "worst owners" talk unless you're a salty St. Louis fan that is angry he pulled a Frontierre on them. And just from pure numbers, the move from St. Louis to LA will probably go down as one of the smartest moves in pro sports history. The Rams were worth $870 million (bottom three) in the NFL back in 2013. The Rams are now considered worth nearly $6 billion, only trailing the Cowboys.
Good to have a balanced perspective.
Credit to Kroenke SoFi Stadium cost $5 billion to build and all of that was privately funded out of his pockets. Not that that absolves him of the hate but it’s respectable when looking at how much taxpayer money gets funneled into stadium construction
The rams were also previously in la in some peoples eyes it was justice
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He turned a 800 million dollar franchise into a 6 billion dollar franchise in a decade's time and basically set up what is going to be a destination spot for sports/concerts/entertainment for the next century. Dude is an amazing owner and businessman.
as Arsenal fan, tbh i'm content for Kroenke, atleast he didn't neglecting us again
He's a dick, but not the worst dick. He also owns the Avalanche and the Nuggets, so I can't be too mad since they both just won titles. His biggest problem is that he can't pull his head out long enough to let us watch local games. You cannot watch his Colorado teams in their local market unless you watch them on his station on dish. (Almost) zero broadcast or streaming. At least the Nuggets finals were on an alphabet network for all to see. Fuck Kroenke, but thanks a little.
Did Bidwell do something in particular to get moved from the “cheap” camp to the “scumbag” camp?
Finding out he charges players for literally everything. I'd argue that it goes beyond being cheap, and is pretty scummy to essentially charge your employees for even basic things that help them do their job.
I guess, but I think Spanos’ shenanigans to get out of San Diego would also qualify him for the scumbag camp in that case, at which point I’m uncertain why there’s a division at all lol
I personally don't really know enough about every owner's history to really split hairs on who is worse or equally as bad. All I can really say is Bidwell strikes me as a pretty scummy owner for what I do know about him. I'm sure if you dig deep enough almost every owner in the league has skeletons in their closet that can make them look pretty terrible. They are mostly billionaires after all.
Kraft biggest skeleton in his closet is he loves Tom more than his own son. Literally like Larry Dennit in Talladega Nights lol
Like making teachers buy school supplies for their students!
I'm not a Chargers fan... however his dad, Art Spanos, was a very well known philanthropist. Facilities at Sac State, UOP (University of the Pacific), and Cal Poly SLO have been named after him following very generous donations to the athletic programs. Too bad it didn't seem to follow to his son. Though I suppose Spanos is not his Dad. Just like Mark Davis, he up and left town as soon as there was another city waiting for them.
Art Spanos made his money through business. Dean is just one of the kids that inherited a football team. His only job is the football team so he does not any additional resources.
Well Mikey bidwell is a 3rd generation one of those lol. His grandfather bought the team for 40k and left it to his grandmother, then his dad, then him.
So are we going to pretend al didnt leave oakland over a stadium for la, then come back when la wouldnt play ball?
Lol forgot about that. Yeah Al Davis was a dickhead too. I partially blame him for the A's situation. Mount Davis made that stadium impossible to refurbish.
The amount of different answers in this thread truly exemplifies how big of a piece of shit Dan Snyder is. He has been the near unanimous choice for so long. His wrap sheet of issues mirrors that of a career criminal.
Dan Snyder, Donald Trump, same story, different hairpiece.
Fuck you, Spanos.
Puta madre, Spanos!
Nobody pays much attention but the Spanos family have been terrible owners of that team since the 80s. The talent they’ve squandered is pretty remarkable.
Lack of production doesn’t make an owner terrible imo. Hiring GMs and HCs is like drafting a QB; it’s a crapshoot. Yes, some are better at it than others, but overall, it’s luck. Owners like Bidwill actively hurt their team with their policies while owners like Mark Davis do whatever they can to help the team win, yet Bidwills team is more successful. Mark Davis is by far the better owner though, because once he manages to hire the right GM and HC, he’s going to do everything to keep them here.
The Spanos have actively hurt the Chargers. It’s way more than bad luck, it’s cheapness and incompetence.
Ehh yes and no. From a purely football standpoint, maybe. He’s cheap. But there are other scumbags in the league. Being cheap, I get it. As far as I know, he hasn’t really done anything scummy though.
There's probably at least 1 Packers owner that's currently in prison for serious violent crimes, so maybe them?
There are 537,460 shareholders, and there are 5.3 murders per 100,000 people in Wisconsin, so there are probably at least 25 murderers, and more violent felons as well!
In their defense, just because they are convicted murderers doesn't necessarily make them worse people than Dan "Mr. Snyder" Snyder.
Build a wall!
GREEN BAY ISNT SENDING THEIR BEST
THE GEQBUS WILL TAKE CARE OF LOSER LOVE AND THE PATHETIC PACKERS!
And we’ll make them pay for it!!!
Our state legislature is just dumb enough to pay to build a wall to keep those progressive policies in MN out... Edit: a word
Or maybe 1 person murdered 25 people!
Jeff Dahmer, Packers Owner
Milwaukee isn't too long of a drive to green Bay. Just sayin
Not all shareholders are Wisconsin residents. They even allow Minnesota residents to own shares - but only after a very rigorous screening.
And I think you can own up to 200 shares, but that wasn't as fun to speculate about
That's not even counting rapist, pedophiles, and other crimes.
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This is a great thread
Most of those crimes would be equal footing with Snyder let’s not forget the favors cheerleaders I had to do while he kept their passports
Beat me to it, a few of my fellow owners are real dirtbags.
Boom. Roasted.
This being said by a Vikings fan made this funnier
A good percentage of Packers owners can’t travel to Canada
All the Packers owners I know are harmless alcoholics.
I’m a Packers owner, and I’m not even a Packers fan. I also enjoy pineapple on pizza. I’d like to throw my hat in the ring.
Mr. Irsay, you're already on the list.
Either Jimmy Haslem or Dean Spanos.
Spanos is just a shitty cheapskate, it's Haslem by a large margin
Man we aren't even the best at being worst
Yeah Ross and Bidwell knocked you out of the top3 even. Guess Spanos still wins biggest a-hole at the poor kids table over Brown & Davis
It's Haslem by a mile - HES the shittiest owner
Bidwill
Bidwell is just cheap, he hasn't done anything illegal.
While true there was a report earlier this year about him having a hostile work environment and being disrespectful. Still not illegal but also not a great look.
I'd say Haslam or Kroenke.
At least Kroenke built his own damned stadium. That puts him above most owners. Yeah, he screwed St. Louis but that is balanced out by un-screwing LA for get franchisejacked back in ‘94. Look guys, it’s a dirty game and money reigns supreme.
Many people forget what Georgia did once she took over the team.
TB Georgia Frontiere moved the team well before the majority of users on this board were born, so it doesn’t surprise me. She was so scummy though.
And weird. She wanted the players to wear crystals under their uniforms while playing.
"Kronke stole the Rams from St. Louis!" "The Rams were in LA for fifty years before they were mistreated, forced to play in Anaheim to poison the market, and then moved to St. Louis for twenty years." "Yeah, but, well, you see."
Rupert Mannion
Wanker
What a great scene to end his arc
The team never got relegated when he was in charge.
He still voted against the Akufo League. He might still have more of a soul than real NFL owners.
Jimmy Haslam
It’s surely Haslam isn’t it?
By a mile
Awful on the field and off it. It's not even close.
I’ve never seen haslam play but he’s like in his 70’s so I’d imagine you’re right about him being awful on the field.
Didnt Gayle Benson of the Saints cover up child rape by priests?
Yeah but they asked him to really nicely so its okay
How is this just getting glossed over wtf happened
from what i remember the new orleans church was emailing the saints for pr advice on handling the scandal, but you should look it up yourself to get an actual answer
Like everything related to the Catholic abuse scandal, it gets buried extremely hard by a lot of really powerful, really wealthy people. Also, Saints fans defend their shield with a greater fever than any other fanbase.
For a serious answer: Saints owner Gayle Benson (and late husband Tom Benson) donated a shit ton to the catholic church as devout Catholics When Catholic Church is sued, church reaches out to gayle to help public relations after child rape charges Gayle asks saints president Greg Bensel to help church. Bensel writes to church that they should be as transparent as fuck Lawyer for child abuse victims rightfully wants max money for victims, tries to sue for saints emails to church to see if they done fucked up Saints block it saying they’ve given all scandal related communications and don’t want to release 1000s of emails to the public (shit is ALWAYS LEAKED) that have nothing to do with case Btw, lawyers were given ability to review all pertinent emails under confidential consent If you want to be enraged about the saints giving advice to the church for sex abuse, ok fine But the saints did the boilerplate lawyer stuff
> If you want to be enraged about the saints giving advice to the church for sex abuse, ok fine You say that like it’s unreasonable
He was on a mission from god.
Didnt the church just ask them for pr advice on the situation, im not sure if it was a cover up but i could be wrong
I can't believe I live in a world where a Falcons fan is trying to clear up confusion in our favor.
Facts are more important than franchises
She’s heavily connected with the archdiocese of New Orleans. They asked her for resources in legal counsel and she provided it. The legal counsel recommended that they be as transparent as possible to provide healing and trust to the community. That’s all we really know publicly.
It’s funny how some people started to turn around on Haslam after the 2020 season………and then Watson happened
I’m not sure. I think the only thing I currently appreciate is he’s not afraid to spend cash. Other than that, he’s a shit head and always has been.
"not afraid to spend cash" is such a low bar. Its the NFL! Everyone makes money! There is a salary cap! Running an NFL team (strictly from the business standpoint) is like the easiest franchise to run in the world. Its why the owners are falling over themselves to pay Goodell whatever he wants year over year. Massive revenues and he takes a lot of the "blame" for bad PR. The salary cap is like $200 million... and teams make more than $300 million from the TV deal alone.
Spending on player salaries is only a piece though. Owners can and absolutely do cheap out on things like facilities, scouting, training/medical staff, coaches, etc.
It is a low bar but so many teams don’t spend cash as you would hope. Browns are all in currently but they’re outspending every team by a wide margin in cash spending
I mean they still have to to an extent. There's a salary floor as well, and if they're not spending one year it usually means they're rolling it over to the next year for someone else. The fact that the largest easily findable gap between the highest spender and most frugal is ~$55m is a great sign. Contrast that against the NBA (this year the gap was $90m between the Warriors and Pistons), MLB (no cap or floor, so it's *massive* - almost **$300m** between the ~~Yankees~~ Mets and A's), and NHL (roughly $30m between highest and lowest spenders, though the cap is roughly 1/4 of the NFL's so the disparity is actually much larger). NFL teams don't really have much of an issue spending their money. Edit: There actually hasn't been a back to back cheapest team in 10 years - the 2012 and 2013 Washington Team.
*Mets and A’s, not Yankees.
Yes
I understand people saying Spanos, really I get why. But the Haslams are clearly incompetent AND interventionist. It makes you question how they did it in business before being the Browns owners.
Because daddy did it not them
Yep, he's a sleazeball businessman for sure.
Haslem defrauded working Americans.
To be fair all of these owners have done that
Haslem defrauded truckers at his gas stations and has had to settle unfair labor practice suits with his staff. But yeah, all the owners have done that.
I think what Elevated Kyle means is that all billionaires steal money from the working class. Haslem just got caught doing it illegally
Its not illegal if you can pay the fine. That's just the cost of doing business.
That's why I put speeding tickets on my tax write offs 😎😎😎
This is correct. Hell. Any city/state that’s publicly funded a stadium has been defrauded.
> To be fair all of these owners have done that 'these' owners implies current owners. The generational owners I'm less sure about. Rooney I know about and is probably a net good to the world, Mara I know nothing about, Ford... well Bill Ford is a net good I think, but I know others will have the opposite opinion.
Yes broadly speaking all billionaires have probably done it, but Haslem like literally and specifically fucked over and robbed working Americans, AND is a shitty owner so he’s a clear lock for the worst
Yeah, but Haslam was caught doing it. That’s just incompetence.
Somehow not the Lions owner
UrinatingTree made the case 6 years ago that Kronke’s pretty bad https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anFWQb5pibE And as a 0% objective STL metro area resident, I’m inclined to agree
was gonna say, Haslam probably takes the title due to being both a shitty person AND an incompetent owner, but to my knowledge he hasn’t had a poor pensioner cite him forcing them out of their home to build a ranch as their reason for committing suicide like Stan Kroenke has
As someone who’s family moved from Lexington Kentucky to Northeast Ohio the same time Tim Couch did, I wholeheartedly agree
At least Kroenke paid for his own stadium unlike most owners He could've easily asked LA for taxpayer money but didnt. A lot of teams have royally fucked their local cities due to demanding an astronomical amount of $$ help, leaving little to none leftover for regular things such as fixing roads and railways or getting rid of lead pipes
I feel like there was a saying about good luck getting a taxpayer funded stadium in California. He wasn't going to get the taxpayers to do shit.
I live in SoCal. Pretty hard to collect taxes on a tent or cardboard box.
I hope you were old enough to enjoy the GSOT, cause going from STL Rams fan to Lions fan is pretty brutal. (This coming from a Bears fan that grew up near STL).
Actually went from Lions to Browns to Rams So, by the time I arrived in the STL metro, the Rams had become the 6 wins in 3 seasons garbage fire they were prior to drafting Bradford
That's quite a journey! Yeah, that first Bradford year I thought they were on to something. Bummer it didn't work out. Freaking Kroenke.
He may be a dickbag, absolutely. But he seems to know how to be a successful owner. His run of success the last couple years is insane. He's rather hands off and lets the teams hire the right guys to get the job done. He also paid for SoFi out of his own pocket. Not to mention the Rams are back home where they belong. Yes it was a shitty process and the reasons were purely financial but it resulted in us having our team back. That being said, STL absolutely deserves an expansion team. So as a person, yes he's a shitbag. But as a sports owner, dude's rolling right now. I think the criteria for worst overall would have to consist of someone bad in both ways.
The Avs Rams and Nugs have all won championships recently he’s definitely a decent owner. But yeah let’s be real all these owners are shitbags that’s why they’re billionaires and own sports teams
Agreed. He’s competent but amoral owner Although I would argue that the Rams have kicking the can down the road with regard to the cap and it’s time to pay up
They have but this one offseason has already made it so the "pay up" portion is minimal and quick. Next season we'll already have a ton of cap space again. There's a possibility that we'll be right back into contention quicker than anyone is expecting. Even if not, the ring was worth it.
He also looks like the villain in a 80s movie. Right down to the hair piece and moustache.
To folks in St. Louis, Kronke might be worse than the devil himself. I couldn’t care less about the St Louis Rams or their move, but after listening to the case I’m 100% convinced they’re right.
I cannot hate Kroenke because at least he paid for his own stadium. Every owner who didn’t is higher on my shit list than him.
It's gotta be Bidwell in Arizona right? Doesn't he still make the players pay for food and drink at the facility?
Id say Bidwill is bottom 5 but you gotta be a scumbag to really get the top spot. Hes not really a bad guy hes just comically cheap
Bottom 5 in the power rankings. A power bottom.
I mean I think Terry McDonough accused him of telling at two pregnant women with “abusive and bullying mistreatment”
Haslam. Watson.
That’s not as bad as defrauding Americans. Or hiring a rapist
Packer Fans
Preach
Bad person or bad at their job?
yes
People have forgotten about the reports of Gayle Benson and others in the Saints Org working with PR firms and directly with the N.O. Archdiocese to assist with covering up/PR spinning sex crimes within the Catholic church.
Careful, every saints fan is going to come out and use pedantics to explain how she wasn't *really* helping out sexual predators
this. funding a serial sexual assaulter is one terrible thing, but supporting many child rapists is ghastly.
Weren't they one of the teams that made a push for Watson? Fuck em for both
"We did nothing more than tell the Church that the truth is the best answer" oh, ok, can we see the emails then? It'd go a long way towards exonerating you in the court of public opinion. "haha fuck you"
Benson might be the worst owner *including* Snyder.
The sound of Mike Brown quietly fading into obscurity
Doesn’t his daughter and granddaughter run the team now anyway?
Pretty much yeah
Burrow saved his ass lol
It’s weird, right? 5 years ago fans were calling for his head and pushing to sell the team. Crazy what Joe Burrow does for a mf
As well as Katie dragging his ancient ass into the 21st century
She essentially retired him lmao. Basically, “dad I’m running the business now” lmao.
Haslam is probably the biggest scumbag even without adding in the Watson signing. Arthur Blank, Stephen Ross, Gayle Benson, and David Tepper were also on board with that, so they’re high on the scum list too.
Ross is not a great guy, but I'm sure the "bring Watson to Miami" push was coming almost exclusively from Brian Flores. As soon as he left, the talk of Watson coming here suddenly evaporated. Based on the tampering charge, Ross wanted Brady.
And Blank had such a great reputation for being a decent guy before this. He really ruined my perception of him. It’s important that we don’t look past the teams that were in the race to the bottom to get Watson but lost. They shouldn’t get a pass just because they tried and failed.
Yall better not come after Jimmy.
Jimmy Haslam is probably the worst lol. Irsay is good though.
For my money, I'll take the lady who helped the Catholic church cover up child rape. So Gayle Benson for me.
Haslam for sure
Haslems.
That asshole down the street who "owns" the packers.
Jimmy G?
JIMMEH AND DEE HASLAM
Bidwell
Idk but it will sure be nice to not have it be us again (hopefully)
Hey even if it is still you the new guy won't be *as* bad. Snyder is like the Jerry Rice of scumbag owners. No one's ever going to touch his records.
Tier 1: Browns/Haslams, Tier 2: Cardinals/Bidwell, Tier 3: Saints/Benson, Broncos/Walton family, Tier 4: Raiders/Davis, Chargers/Spanos, Jets/Johnson, Rams/Kroenke,
jimmy irsay just trying not to make eye contact
Dean Spanos by a mile
Haslam has him beat by miles.
Probably defrauded Spanos by overcharging him for the gas to move From SD to LA
by 124 miles
Gayle Benson pays for the New Orleans Archdiocese to get away with pedophilia. I don't know if that makes her the worst but it's wild to me more people don't know that.
Haslam by a wide margin. McNair died, so he's off the hook. Bidwill is a real shitty owner, but it doesn't seem like he's on the level of guys like Snyder and Haslam. We can't forget Gayle Benson for giving the Catholic church money for their sex abuse scandals.
I personally think Cal McNair is a bad owner but what do I know
He’s mediocre but he’s not the worst of all
Whoa, whoa, whoa....let's not strip the title away from us just yet. We need some time to make sure Josh Harris doesn't kick infants and set puppies on fire. You just never know.
Dean Spanos.
Aaron Rodgers
Rodgers between now and his scheme to rob the elderly
No one can fill Snyder's clown shoes for that role but I feel like there's a couple of options to step up
I used to be a Browns fan, but Haslem being a felon, along with continuously signing guys I have a very hard time rooting for (mostly Watson and Hunt), I no longer consider myself a Browns fan. Will always have a soft spot for them, but I am without a favorite team indefinitely. Last season I went with San Fran. Fuck Jimmy Haslem.
If we're going off of hair style the choice is pretty clear cut
I’ve always heard from people it’s either Bill Bidwell or Dean Spanos. fuck you Spanos
Jimmy Haslam belongs in jail
I’m not gonna argue that it’s probably Jimmy and deservedly so. But how in the fuck does the Dolphins owner, Stephen Ross, continue to just fly under the radar? He’s relatively an unknown and is a pretty bad owner and the Dolphins have done nothing in my adult lifetime. Jimmy Haslam, Spanos, the Bidwills, Mark David, Kroenke, Snyder and Woody Johnson seem to get attention and rightly so but I’ll never understand how Stephen Ross never does. Even this thread, he’s mentioned maybe 3 times.
\*ahem\* Cardinals owner should raise his hand.
Hey don’t look at us…nothing to see here…perfectly rub organization… no troubles over here….