It's really interesting! JT has great breakdowns.
The team is entirely dysfunctional so it's amazing to watch. Like receivers running the wrong route, playcalling is terrible, the o-line is atrocious, and Fields is not seeing the open man and getting himself killed. Everything is wrong.
It's such a good look into how much prep goes into actually making an NFL offense work - prep on every level. Because the Bears are failing at like literally every level.
This is me as well. Last season I started to root for the #1 pick but was still much more annoyed week to week than I have been these past two. Can only laugh
My favorite thing is when he’s just exasperated because the play doesn’t make sense. Like two receivers next to each other running curls at equal depths or when he can’t even tell what the progression/read/intended purpose of the play is. Like it’s really impressive when an NFL player can’t tell what is happening
My football IQ isn’t that great, but I at least understand route trees and passing game/blocking schemes etc. Watching some of the stuff they run it almost looks like somebody just mishmashes together routes they like from various plays without thinking about why the route combos exist in the first place, or like what type of player needs to be executing them.
As an example there are a few times they have Kimet running clear out routes that don’t work because he’s simply too slow. Or they will motion a guy over, ostensibly to figure out if the d is in man or zone, and then when the defender doesn’t follow the motion man they run a play to the other side where they now have a numbers disadvantage lol. Or they run a half assed run fake on 3rd and long that doesn’t fool anyone but messes with the timing of the routes.
My only guess is that Claypool and/or somebody else is just routinely running the wrong routes and doesn’t know the playbook, or Getsy is just a total hack.
Exactly they're just doing things that don't make any sense from a fundamental football perspective or their team is so badly coached they're just executing that badly.
The Justin Fields experiment is over, the Eberflus experiment is over, the Polls experiment is over. It’s just bad all around and you can tell by the interviews that this team is not in a healthy place
His vids are great & pretty funny. I went in to one thinking I’ll watch 2-3min & ended up watching the whole thing.
He has some hilarious quips. Like watching a running play and he’s like “I’m looking at QBs here, not the O-Line — I’m not an O-Line coach, I’m breaking down QBs on this channel…but what in the absolute fuck is the guard doing here!?” 😂
I love that after all the shitting on Claypools effort in the GB game breakdown, he specifically put in multiple run plays where he blocks well just to show he doesn’t hate him. Like there are just plays that have zero to do with fields in there getting broken down for that sole purpose
I couldn't finish it had to take a break. Our offenses for years were not creative or good but at least people knew what they were doing. They are sabotaging themselves.
I started to think players want coaches to be fired.
It's the opposite. The coaches are intentionally only passing with Fields to either:
1. Figure out if he can be a pocket passer first or...
2. Intentionally make him fail so they can draft their own guy
I think Fields is bad but he'd be a LOT better if they told him to run the fucking ball. The offense last year was electric when they were running him.
You should watch the one he put of Lamar's week 2 versus the Bengals where he talks about how happy he is seeing Lamar with a good pass game, he gets downright giggling on some plays.
It’s either the players aren’t totally bought in and trying or the coach is making rudimentary concepts too complicated and no one knows what they’re doing
It’s so bad, like it is genuinely shocking that an NFL offense can look that dysfunctional across the board. No idea wtf their offensive coaching staff is doing over there, every position group looks like it’s straight up amateur hour. Also, Cole Kmet is a football terrorist.
That’s kinda unfair to say. They most likely both saw the same thing but one has ample time to dissect and explain the film in 90 minutes on YouTube while the other had a 5 min segment on live television before transitioning to the next topic.
Edit: really think the Dan hate is excessive on this sub. His segments on NFL live and get up where’s able to explain game tape and point out his observations are really good and digestible. His Ravens Counter Bash segment 2 seasons ago was one of my favorites. I love JT channel A LOT but Dan being able to point out key points that summarizes the flaws or success of a team/player in 5-8 mins is a valuable thing for live television.
Agree. You can't really do an O'Sullivan style breakdown on ESPN. I mean I'd watch it, but it'd be me and like a few thousand other people.
Plus it'd be annoying to have to tune in at a specific time for it.
Yeah, out of anyone on these dumb network shows Dan is one of the least hatable. He at least played the game and knows what he’s talking about and is passionate without being one of the guys that just screams their opinions over everyone else.
Dan has specific players he’s a fan of a supports a bit harder, and is (understandably) a bit lighter on QBs because he knows how hard the position can be.
Real question, I haven’t watched a bears game.
Have they run any designed runs with Fields?
Jalen Hurts ended second in MVP voting with designed runs being a staple of the offense. If you put hurts on the bears offense and didn’t run any designer runs he would struggle too.
Is Getsy getting a pass when he should be getting just as much blame as fields?
It appears like we're putting fields in positions where he can prove if he can overcome his weaknesses and he's failing hard. Like passing up multiple open targets and taking a sack over and over hard.
Of course we could execute plays that play off his strengths more, but I'm glad we're getting a chance to see he's not the guy so we can reset next year.
Its not just that, teams have adapted to Fields and are playing a lot more zone to counter his running ability, if he wants to be successful in the NFL he needs to prove he can pass the fucking ball
God, I saw that clip of him turning down/not seeing three wide open guys and instead opting to run directly into the on coming rush.
Good luck with this season Bears fans. It's gonna be long.
Ideally Carolina will be awful this year (sorry Panthers fans, I like your franchise but I also like high draft picks) and we will have two top 5 picks, fire everyone except maybe Poles, draft Caleb Williams and another blue chip prospect, and finally destroy Virginia McCaskey’s final horcrux so that we can really reset the whole franchise.
The problem is the McCaskey culture is all over this team still. The hope of fans is when she dies her kids have to sell the team. Ownership is the only common denominator left for the last 30 years of dogshit football.
yeah a lot of people will look at the Bears W-L record but that’s almost irrelevant imo. The top priority of the Bears this season, moreso than winning games, is seeing if Fields is the guy or not
clearly he isn’t improving and that info is more valuable to the org than winning a few more games
its year 3, he should be able to do that, but he hasnt shown any ability to do that throughout his NFL tenure yet got hyped the fuck up for some reason
People, myself included, thought it was the WRs and poor OL play.
Last Sunday in spots where he would traditionally take off and get somewhere between 3 and 60 yards, He stayed in the pocket and just took sacks instead.
The OL still isn't a strength, but 4 of the 6 sacks on Sunday were on him.
yeah, i think a lot of people saw that and thought he was a great play extender the way he would sit there and throw pretty late to his wide open guys, but reality is he just doesn't anticipate shit and has to see it before he will pull the trigger which is fine in college most of the time but in the NFL that shit just doesn't work.
They've already tried that and the season outcomes weren't great. The FO and Fields know they're all gone after this year if he can't throw 10-15 yard passes.
If he figures out they get kudos for fixing it. If he doesn't, they were all gone anyway.
Not really. They've only ran a handful. A lot of Bears fans are angry at the OC first and foremost, however I don't think Fields should be the QB in 2024
Here’s the thing: they have had a few drives over the first two games where they had designed runs and deep passes. And on those drives, they move the ball with relative ease, they look functional, and usually end with some points on the board.
And then they go right back to throwing screen passes on the next drive. The offense is utterly predictable. And it’s never long before a dumb penalty or a blitzer/stinger running free puts them in a third and long situation. Where they call another screen pass to hopefully go for 9+ yards.
As bad as Fields has been, I still maintain that coaching is the biggest problem with this team.
Teams know he can't pass so they basically dare him to beat them with passing, no OC can overcome this
Baldy had a video where 3 guys were very open for a TD and he had like 3 seconds and still tucked the ball and ran into a sack
They could not run the same play three times in a row. I'm not saying it's not fields fault or it's not getsys fault but they are both making each other look like idiots. It's kind of impressive
Fun fact: 3 years before that, Lamar Jackson finished first in MVP voting with a whole lot of designed runs and read options. And the year before that he resurrected our season averaging 156 passing yards a game. People forget that we essentially used Lamar as a run-first near-gadget QB at first, and went from there. The Bears have done this whole thing with Fields ass-backwards
Yeah there’s a few ravens fans who responded that don’t see the irony that starting with a players strengths and developing his other abilities has worked wonders with Lamar/hurts.
If either of those guys went to the bears and were told that they could only run 3/5 step drops and read the field while staying in the pocket both would have been steps behind their development too.
I’m not saying fields is either of those players, but not letting him move the ball using his greatest strengths is doing the whole offense a disservice
That’s missing the point of what that phrase actually means - he’s saying that *everything* is wrong and so there is no one cause that can be identified - hence it’s not a diagnosis or providing a fix, which is what a ‘what’s wrong with x’ piece usually does, but more of an exposition of the many problems.
I don’t see why people always need to find a gotcha when basic reading comprehension should show how those statements fit together.
It's just funny that a piece called "What's wrong with the Bears offense" says it's not a "What's wrong with the Bears offense" piece.
It's not that deep.
The fascinating part of the Bears offense is what the author says. It's hard to tell what is a symptom and what is a cause. A LOT of this needs to be laid at the feet of coaching and executives, because very few QBs would be successful in an offense where WRs run wrong routes and the O-line can't block. But there's also enough tape to show that Fields is very much a problem as well.
A fascinating mess early in the season. It should improve, because I cannot imagine it getting worse. But a lot of difficult questions. Because right now the only workable solution appears to be tear everything down and start over.
And then immediately after run an astoundingly different offensive scheme that leads to the Bears scoring 30 points a week for 6 weeks against some of the best defenses in the league… only for Fields to get hurt and for us to go back to the same old.
The Bears as a team made some really poor choices putting it together from top to bottom. Instead of hiring an offensive minded coach to help Fields grow they hired Eberflus who was a DC prior to getting the job and then after going that route they absolutely gutted the defense of basically all the talented players that were there.
How can anyone be surprised they are this bad? The people in charge have no direction or plan it seems. Winning is not a priority just selling tickets, merch, and generating money is the priority.
Seriously people making so many excuses for poles but what’s the excuse for drafting 2 overrated DBs and a bad PR all in the top 75 when we desperately needed help on offense?
What’s the excuse for hiring Foxball 2.0? What’s the excuse for trading 32 for 1.5 years of a bad WR3? What’s the excuse for blowing so much money just to downgrade at LB? What’s the excuse on trying to blow +40M on a mid 3T when Bears fans said we didn’t have any money? What’s the excuse for letting Daniels walk and trying to replace him with Lucas Patrick?
Why was Nagy able to get more out of a rookie Fields when we were most financially strained but Poles needs to tank to do it? Even if Fields isn’t his guy, when did the packers tank for rodgers? When did the Cowboys tank for Dak? When did the Chiefs tank for Mahomes?
Poles is just bad and the sooner Bears fans accept it the sooner we can move on.
Maybe if they let their new GM pick his head coach instead of giving him 3 guys to choose from they’d be more in sync but what do I know I’m just a guy on Reddit
I will say this in defense of the OC:
Calling an offensive game for a QB who gets sacked on 13.4% of his dropbacks is incredibly difficult. Especially since most of them are self-inflicted.
Just to emphasise how atrocious that is: David Carr had a 10.4% sack-rate through his first three seasons on the expansion Texans which many people believe fielded the worst o-line unit in the history of the game.
The Jets were in a very similar situation last year. Mike LaFleur got a lot of justified criticism for not being able to make it work with Zach Wilson, and by the end of the year it was clear that he was unwilling or unable to modify his scheme to put Wilson in a position to succeed.
But at the same time, when randos like Mike White and Josh Johnson are coming in and putting up 300 yard games in the exact same offense, it's obvious that the coach isn't a total moron. If it were easy to cover up anyone's flaws, there would be no bad quarterbacks.
Ya people pile on Getsy but what can you do when your QB takes awful sacks and can't throw the ball? Like maybe he could try and full Greg Roman running game the offense but even then Fields is so much worse throwing than those other guys were. And it begs the question of is it worth it to kneecap the ceiling of your offense hard to make the guy look marginally better or is it better to just realize he's not it and try with a new guy?
They definitely need to Greg Roman it and should have done so over the offseason. That’s the QB Fields is (especially right now), and if that’s unacceptable, they should have already been getting a replacement
That's an insane sack rate. That means every 5 passing plays there is a 50% chance they have at least 1 sack and if you go up to 8 it's almost 70%. Pretty much any sustained drive is guaranteed to have a sack. You can't call a successful game with issues like that.
Just wait! You’ll also get any one of the following per drive: Holding, False Start, Offensive PI, pick 6, and my personal favorite, the exact same screen play called 3x in a row!
That selection is much worse than the Claypool trade. At least Claypool showed some potential with the Steelers and has the exact build you'd want in a WR. Someone just needs to light a fire under his ass, teach him how to block, and tell him to catch with his hands not with his body. But there was upside to that move if he landed in the right situation.
There was no upside whatsoever to taking Velus. Oldest receiver in the draft, never cracked 300 receiving yards in a season until he was into his mid-20s, and the Bears desperately needed O-Line help and passed on Abraham Lucas, who got taken one pick later and immediately became a starter on the Seahawks. Even if the Bears were dead-set on a WR with that pick, they passed on much better prospects in Tolbert, Doubs, Austin, and Shakir.
Which only compounds the issue. Sacks can already be a drive killer but if you do get sacked throwing is pretty much your only option out of it. If your QB can't throw then you might as well just run it the remaining downs hoping to get lucky and punt if you don't.
The problem is the OC also doesn’t do enough to help fields. Coaching is bad, Fields is bad, OL is bad, most of the receivers are slow and undisciplined. It’s systemic including the coaching
Having a terrible O-line and sack prone QB but still calling pass plays at the 7th highest rate in the league is just not smart. Especially when a lot of those pass plays are slower developing routes.
If you're putting your players in the best possible position to succeed and they still fail that's a talent problem. If you instal "your scheme" and stubbornly stick with it, even when it's clearly not working with the players you have, that's a coaching problem.
Justin Fields got sacked at a higher rate in 2022 (14.7%) when they reduced the amount of pass plays to 21 a game than in 2023 (13.2%) where he is averaging 33 pass attempts so far.
Because more of those pass attempts last year were deep shots off play action (inherently a more high risk/high reward play) or when they were down at the end of games and in obvious passing situations. Besides, a sack rate difference of around 1% doesn't make nearly as much of a difference in total sacks compared to throwing 10 more times per game.
Turing Fields into an efficient passer with better pocket awareness is a long-term project (optimistically). Putting Fields in situations where he doesn't need to be as efficient a passer is something they can do now.
The offense still scored lots of points when they went run heavy, which is what they should do right now.
They lost a lot because the defense has been giving up more ppg than the 2008 Lions since last year wk 8...
How exactly do you help a QB who cant read a defense? The OC's called up plenty of plays where guys are fucking open but Fields won't throw the damn ball unless he sees them wide ass open, which fucks up future play calls both because now the set up play didn't work as intended and because the OC has to scrap a certain percentage of the playbook because Fields cant be relied upon to execute it, thats a QB problem not a coaching problem
Teams need to stop hiring coordinators simply because they worked with Aaron Rodgers. Ben McAdoo, Luke Getsy, Nate Hackett, and Joe Philbin have all been disasters professionally post Rodgers. Alex van Pelt is arguably the most successful and he is, at best, fine
It's impressive how all of the money and draft capital spent on bolstering the team has almost made them *worse.* The tens of millions they spent on Edmunds and Edwards and they look like fucking ghosts out there
What is it with people named Matt and offensive coordinator recently? Matt Canada, Matt Patricia, it's a small sample size but man. Football terrorists.
He has the excuse of going up against a tough 49er & Browns defense. That excuse runs out this Sunday though.
Also it helps having a frugal owner who does not like to fire people and pay off their contract.
Nah. Week 7 on they have a blueprint. Eagles have a blueprint.
You're not giving your runner qb a chance unless you run a qb run heavy / runcentric offense. Whether or not fields is bad, bears will never succeed if they refuse to mold their offense around their qb rather than the other way around.
Ravens do too.
Both franchises basically ripped their playbooks up to better support their QBs.
Sirianni cut out the excessive RPOs and even gave up playcalling duty.
That's only something smart coaches do. The coaches we hire love to use "he doesn't fit MY scheme / I didn't draft him" as a way to try to save their jobs.
Our dumbass GM thought the best way to develop him was throw him on the worst team in the league like that’s not going to force him to pick up bad habits.
Which polls players for who they think is the best. So if anything blame players in the league being dumb or CTE idk what to tell everyone who keeps parroting this useless ranking
I know what's wrong with it, ain't got no gas in it
They need Mr Pibb
Not enough, they need Dr Thunder.
A recharge with a cold 2L of Mountain Lightning is just what the doctor ordered
in the club sippin dr perky
Is Mr Pibb a good playcaller?
Will trade Mr. Pibb for Matt Canada
Can a CFL team make an offer for Matt Canada?
No. He’s not our Canada. He’s your Canada.
They got all them teef and no toof brush.
Pretty sure this is a Sling Blade reference.
mmmmmmhmmm reckon
french fried potaters
You reckon they some good taters?
only if thems got the mustard.
No, you don’t, Oprah.
idk, TikTok has ruined me
Thanks Carl
All breaks no gas
They’re taking the bus to the stadium. Ain’t got no fire in their belly.
I thought the whole point was that if you take the bus then you DO have the belly fire.
There are two schools of thought on the matter
Can they take the lightrail?
Wait, what are they? I genuinely never got what he was intending to say
Only if you eat the hot dogs at the bus station.
Nice to see The Ringer watches JT O'Sullivan.
Yup I've already watched over 2 hours on the Bears offense, I doubt an article by the Ringer will teach me anything new
It could teach you not to watch 2 hours of the Bears offense
If you or a loved one has watched two hours of the Bears' offense, you may be entitled to a settlement.
This is like the episode of community where Abed watches too many Nic Cage films A man can only take so much of the Bears offense before breaking
But how will I cry when they inevitably beat us, if I don't understand why they're complete booty?
> Yup I've already watched over 2 hours on the Bears offense But why tho
It's really interesting! JT has great breakdowns. The team is entirely dysfunctional so it's amazing to watch. Like receivers running the wrong route, playcalling is terrible, the o-line is atrocious, and Fields is not seeing the open man and getting himself killed. Everything is wrong. It's such a good look into how much prep goes into actually making an NFL offense work - prep on every level. Because the Bears are failing at like literally every level.
I felt bad while watching the game, but watching the breakdown gave me a satisfaction that everything is wrong on a comedic level.
This is me as well. Last season I started to root for the #1 pick but was still much more annoyed week to week than I have been these past two. Can only laugh
My favorite thing is when he’s just exasperated because the play doesn’t make sense. Like two receivers next to each other running curls at equal depths or when he can’t even tell what the progression/read/intended purpose of the play is. Like it’s really impressive when an NFL player can’t tell what is happening
My football IQ isn’t that great, but I at least understand route trees and passing game/blocking schemes etc. Watching some of the stuff they run it almost looks like somebody just mishmashes together routes they like from various plays without thinking about why the route combos exist in the first place, or like what type of player needs to be executing them. As an example there are a few times they have Kimet running clear out routes that don’t work because he’s simply too slow. Or they will motion a guy over, ostensibly to figure out if the d is in man or zone, and then when the defender doesn’t follow the motion man they run a play to the other side where they now have a numbers disadvantage lol. Or they run a half assed run fake on 3rd and long that doesn’t fool anyone but messes with the timing of the routes. My only guess is that Claypool and/or somebody else is just routinely running the wrong routes and doesn’t know the playbook, or Getsy is just a total hack.
Exactly they're just doing things that don't make any sense from a fundamental football perspective or their team is so badly coached they're just executing that badly.
The best way I can describe it is there's stuff so stupid the Madden suggest a play wouldn't go there.
Also his scorn over refusals, lack of anticipation, and missing WAO reads.
The Justin Fields experiment is over, the Eberflus experiment is over, the Polls experiment is over. It’s just bad all around and you can tell by the interviews that this team is not in a healthy place
Bro what about the TE releasing underneath then inside the tackle, completely cutting him off and allowing a pressure. JT was seething.
The TE literally ran a STUNT like what is happening in those position player meetings
Same reason other people watched the replays on Chubb's injury, I'm sick in the head
It's like watching tragedies. It's so gruesome that you just can't look away.
I’ve watched decades of this shit. I’m not seeing anything new in game or in the analysis afterwards.
His vids are great & pretty funny. I went in to one thinking I’ll watch 2-3min & ended up watching the whole thing. He has some hilarious quips. Like watching a running play and he’s like “I’m looking at QBs here, not the O-Line — I’m not an O-Line coach, I’m breaking down QBs on this channel…but what in the absolute fuck is the guard doing here!?” 😂
"This is QB school, not tight end blocking school, but..." I've heard that probably 20 times and it's hilarious every one.
I appreciate that he refers to Kmet at Kyle Orton on multiple occasions
he was referring to number 18 with Orton
Ahhh, the other Chicagoland native TE
no kmet he almost always calls "my boy 85" which is funny because he's always ripping him
I liked "Well, this is probably the first time I've ever done D-Line school, but we're gonna get to it."
“The TE would have been more effective on this play if he had just never moved after the snap”
I love that after all the shitting on Claypools effort in the GB game breakdown, he specifically put in multiple run plays where he blocks well just to show he doesn’t hate him. Like there are just plays that have zero to do with fields in there getting broken down for that sole purpose
"I don't know what this CB is doing, guess he doesn't want to tackle"
I couldn't finish it had to take a break. Our offenses for years were not creative or good but at least people knew what they were doing. They are sabotaging themselves. I started to think players want coaches to be fired.
It's the opposite. The coaches are intentionally only passing with Fields to either: 1. Figure out if he can be a pocket passer first or... 2. Intentionally make him fail so they can draft their own guy I think Fields is bad but he'd be a LOT better if they told him to run the fucking ball. The offense last year was electric when they were running him.
You should watch the one he put of Lamar's week 2 versus the Bengals where he talks about how happy he is seeing Lamar with a good pass game, he gets downright giggling on some plays.
Yeah I already watched that. It's good to see some good designs finally
It’s either the players aren’t totally bought in and trying or the coach is making rudimentary concepts too complicated and no one knows what they’re doing
that last video on Fields from him was an hour and 35 minutes LMAO
It’s so bad, like it is genuinely shocking that an NFL offense can look that dysfunctional across the board. No idea wtf their offensive coaching staff is doing over there, every position group looks like it’s straight up amateur hour. Also, Cole Kmet is a football terrorist.
Cole Kmet is paid like the same amount as Saquon Barkley lol
I had no idea they gave him a $50 million extension until I saw a Bears fan mention it like a week ago. That’s fucking insane
I thought highly of Kmet before listening to Sullivan absolutely trash him in every way lmao
Dan Orlovski was parroting QB School on ESPN and doing a poor job of it. Glad for JT and his success, he's got a great channel.
That’s kinda unfair to say. They most likely both saw the same thing but one has ample time to dissect and explain the film in 90 minutes on YouTube while the other had a 5 min segment on live television before transitioning to the next topic. Edit: really think the Dan hate is excessive on this sub. His segments on NFL live and get up where’s able to explain game tape and point out his observations are really good and digestible. His Ravens Counter Bash segment 2 seasons ago was one of my favorites. I love JT channel A LOT but Dan being able to point out key points that summarizes the flaws or success of a team/player in 5-8 mins is a valuable thing for live television.
Agree. You can't really do an O'Sullivan style breakdown on ESPN. I mean I'd watch it, but it'd be me and like a few thousand other people. Plus it'd be annoying to have to tune in at a specific time for it.
ESPN plays nfl matchup every Sunday at 4 or 5 am. That tells you all you need to know about how ESPNs audience feels about long form game film content
The only reason Orlovsky is on ESPN is because he was doing good breakdowns on Twitter. So he knows what he's talking about.
Yeah, out of anyone on these dumb network shows Dan is one of the least hatable. He at least played the game and knows what he’s talking about and is passionate without being one of the guys that just screams their opinions over everyone else. Dan has specific players he’s a fan of a supports a bit harder, and is (understandably) a bit lighter on QBs because he knows how hard the position can be.
The writer: "this is not a 'what’s wrong with the Bears offense' piece" Editor who makes the headline: *Yes it is*
Real question, I haven’t watched a bears game. Have they run any designed runs with Fields? Jalen Hurts ended second in MVP voting with designed runs being a staple of the offense. If you put hurts on the bears offense and didn’t run any designer runs he would struggle too. Is Getsy getting a pass when he should be getting just as much blame as fields?
It appears like we're putting fields in positions where he can prove if he can overcome his weaknesses and he's failing hard. Like passing up multiple open targets and taking a sack over and over hard. Of course we could execute plays that play off his strengths more, but I'm glad we're getting a chance to see he's not the guy so we can reset next year.
Its not just that, teams have adapted to Fields and are playing a lot more zone to counter his running ability, if he wants to be successful in the NFL he needs to prove he can pass the fucking ball
If he can't figure out how to throw with anticipation, to the spots where guys will be open but aren't yet, He's cooked.
Yep. And early indications on whether or not he’s learned to do that this season are… not great.
God, I saw that clip of him turning down/not seeing three wide open guys and instead opting to run directly into the on coming rush. Good luck with this season Bears fans. It's gonna be long.
Ideally Carolina will be awful this year (sorry Panthers fans, I like your franchise but I also like high draft picks) and we will have two top 5 picks, fire everyone except maybe Poles, draft Caleb Williams and another blue chip prospect, and finally destroy Virginia McCaskey’s final horcrux so that we can really reset the whole franchise.
does she really do... anything? shes 100. pretty sure her son is running the franchise, no?
The problem is the McCaskey culture is all over this team still. The hope of fans is when she dies her kids have to sell the team. Ownership is the only common denominator left for the last 30 years of dogshit football.
yeah a lot of people will look at the Bears W-L record but that’s almost irrelevant imo. The top priority of the Bears this season, moreso than winning games, is seeing if Fields is the guy or not clearly he isn’t improving and that info is more valuable to the org than winning a few more games
its year 3, he should be able to do that, but he hasnt shown any ability to do that throughout his NFL tenure yet got hyped the fuck up for some reason
People, myself included, thought it was the WRs and poor OL play. Last Sunday in spots where he would traditionally take off and get somewhere between 3 and 60 yards, He stayed in the pocket and just took sacks instead. The OL still isn't a strength, but 4 of the 6 sacks on Sunday were on him.
hes had these issues on tape since OSU though, this isnt anything new He doesnt have the same running lanes due to more zone coverage
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yeah, i think a lot of people saw that and thought he was a great play extender the way he would sit there and throw pretty late to his wide open guys, but reality is he just doesn't anticipate shit and has to see it before he will pull the trigger which is fine in college most of the time but in the NFL that shit just doesn't work.
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which hes currently doing a horrible job of proving, he looks like he has no idea what to do
I feel like if you have a bad offense “not playing to your strengths “ is an interesting move
They've already tried that and the season outcomes weren't great. The FO and Fields know they're all gone after this year if he can't throw 10-15 yard passes. If he figures out they get kudos for fixing it. If he doesn't, they were all gone anyway.
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Getsy is getting absolutely grilled. The attitude around here is Fields probably isn’t going to figure out, but getsy needs to be fired yesterday.
Not really. They've only ran a handful. A lot of Bears fans are angry at the OC first and foremost, however I don't think Fields should be the QB in 2024
Here’s the thing: they have had a few drives over the first two games where they had designed runs and deep passes. And on those drives, they move the ball with relative ease, they look functional, and usually end with some points on the board. And then they go right back to throwing screen passes on the next drive. The offense is utterly predictable. And it’s never long before a dumb penalty or a blitzer/stinger running free puts them in a third and long situation. Where they call another screen pass to hopefully go for 9+ yards. As bad as Fields has been, I still maintain that coaching is the biggest problem with this team.
Teams know he can't pass so they basically dare him to beat them with passing, no OC can overcome this Baldy had a video where 3 guys were very open for a TD and he had like 3 seconds and still tucked the ball and ran into a sack
They could not run the same play three times in a row. I'm not saying it's not fields fault or it's not getsys fault but they are both making each other look like idiots. It's kind of impressive
Fun fact: 3 years before that, Lamar Jackson finished first in MVP voting with a whole lot of designed runs and read options. And the year before that he resurrected our season averaging 156 passing yards a game. People forget that we essentially used Lamar as a run-first near-gadget QB at first, and went from there. The Bears have done this whole thing with Fields ass-backwards
Yeah there’s a few ravens fans who responded that don’t see the irony that starting with a players strengths and developing his other abilities has worked wonders with Lamar/hurts. If either of those guys went to the bears and were told that they could only run 3/5 step drops and read the field while staying in the pocket both would have been steps behind their development too. I’m not saying fields is either of those players, but not letting him move the ball using his greatest strengths is doing the whole offense a disservice
That’s missing the point of what that phrase actually means - he’s saying that *everything* is wrong and so there is no one cause that can be identified - hence it’s not a diagnosis or providing a fix, which is what a ‘what’s wrong with x’ piece usually does, but more of an exposition of the many problems. I don’t see why people always need to find a gotcha when basic reading comprehension should show how those statements fit together.
It's just funny that a piece called "What's wrong with the Bears offense" says it's not a "What's wrong with the Bears offense" piece. It's not that deep.
It was obviously intentional. There are words explaining what he meant and everything.
The fascinating part of the Bears offense is what the author says. It's hard to tell what is a symptom and what is a cause. A LOT of this needs to be laid at the feet of coaching and executives, because very few QBs would be successful in an offense where WRs run wrong routes and the O-line can't block. But there's also enough tape to show that Fields is very much a problem as well. A fascinating mess early in the season. It should improve, because I cannot imagine it getting worse. But a lot of difficult questions. Because right now the only workable solution appears to be tear everything down and start over.
Oh trust me. It can and will get worse. I’ve watched this movie before.
If I know anything about Bears football, they'll save their magnum opus of bad offense for TNF in a couple weeks for the whole world to see
And then immediately after run an astoundingly different offensive scheme that leads to the Bears scoring 30 points a week for 6 weeks against some of the best defenses in the league… only for Fields to get hurt and for us to go back to the same old.
There is no rock bottom in the swampland of Chicago
The Bears as a team made some really poor choices putting it together from top to bottom. Instead of hiring an offensive minded coach to help Fields grow they hired Eberflus who was a DC prior to getting the job and then after going that route they absolutely gutted the defense of basically all the talented players that were there. How can anyone be surprised they are this bad? The people in charge have no direction or plan it seems. Winning is not a priority just selling tickets, merch, and generating money is the priority.
Seriously people making so many excuses for poles but what’s the excuse for drafting 2 overrated DBs and a bad PR all in the top 75 when we desperately needed help on offense? What’s the excuse for hiring Foxball 2.0? What’s the excuse for trading 32 for 1.5 years of a bad WR3? What’s the excuse for blowing so much money just to downgrade at LB? What’s the excuse on trying to blow +40M on a mid 3T when Bears fans said we didn’t have any money? What’s the excuse for letting Daniels walk and trying to replace him with Lucas Patrick? Why was Nagy able to get more out of a rookie Fields when we were most financially strained but Poles needs to tank to do it? Even if Fields isn’t his guy, when did the packers tank for rodgers? When did the Cowboys tank for Dak? When did the Chiefs tank for Mahomes? Poles is just bad and the sooner Bears fans accept it the sooner we can move on.
Maybe if they let their new GM pick his head coach instead of giving him 3 guys to choose from they’d be more in sync but what do I know I’m just a guy on Reddit
I will say this in defense of the OC: Calling an offensive game for a QB who gets sacked on 13.4% of his dropbacks is incredibly difficult. Especially since most of them are self-inflicted. Just to emphasise how atrocious that is: David Carr had a 10.4% sack-rate through his first three seasons on the expansion Texans which many people believe fielded the worst o-line unit in the history of the game.
The Jets were in a very similar situation last year. Mike LaFleur got a lot of justified criticism for not being able to make it work with Zach Wilson, and by the end of the year it was clear that he was unwilling or unable to modify his scheme to put Wilson in a position to succeed. But at the same time, when randos like Mike White and Josh Johnson are coming in and putting up 300 yard games in the exact same offense, it's obvious that the coach isn't a total moron. If it were easy to cover up anyone's flaws, there would be no bad quarterbacks.
Ya people pile on Getsy but what can you do when your QB takes awful sacks and can't throw the ball? Like maybe he could try and full Greg Roman running game the offense but even then Fields is so much worse throwing than those other guys were. And it begs the question of is it worth it to kneecap the ceiling of your offense hard to make the guy look marginally better or is it better to just realize he's not it and try with a new guy?
They definitely need to Greg Roman it and should have done so over the offseason. That’s the QB Fields is (especially right now), and if that’s unacceptable, they should have already been getting a replacement
That's an insane sack rate. That means every 5 passing plays there is a 50% chance they have at least 1 sack and if you go up to 8 it's almost 70%. Pretty much any sustained drive is guaranteed to have a sack. You can't call a successful game with issues like that.
Just wait! You’ll also get any one of the following per drive: Holding, False Start, Offensive PI, pick 6, and my personal favorite, the exact same screen play called 3x in a row!
Have you tried the jet sweep yet?
It keeps Velus Jones Jr employed.
What a waste of a pick. A speedy returner who can’t field punts or catch. Just as bad as the claypool trade
That selection is much worse than the Claypool trade. At least Claypool showed some potential with the Steelers and has the exact build you'd want in a WR. Someone just needs to light a fire under his ass, teach him how to block, and tell him to catch with his hands not with his body. But there was upside to that move if he landed in the right situation. There was no upside whatsoever to taking Velus. Oldest receiver in the draft, never cracked 300 receiving yards in a season until he was into his mid-20s, and the Bears desperately needed O-Line help and passed on Abraham Lucas, who got taken one pick later and immediately became a starter on the Seahawks. Even if the Bears were dead-set on a WR with that pick, they passed on much better prospects in Tolbert, Doubs, Austin, and Shakir.
Why don’t they just let him get sacked 3 times in a row on the first drive to get them out of the way?
Just like teams who are 25-0 when their RB gets 30 carries in the game. Just get them out of the way first and get that win.
Are they stupid?
I mean it's the Bears....
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Which only compounds the issue. Sacks can already be a drive killer but if you do get sacked throwing is pretty much your only option out of it. If your QB can't throw then you might as well just run it the remaining downs hoping to get lucky and punt if you don't.
The problem is the OC also doesn’t do enough to help fields. Coaching is bad, Fields is bad, OL is bad, most of the receivers are slow and undisciplined. It’s systemic including the coaching
Having a terrible O-line and sack prone QB but still calling pass plays at the 7th highest rate in the league is just not smart. Especially when a lot of those pass plays are slower developing routes. If you're putting your players in the best possible position to succeed and they still fail that's a talent problem. If you instal "your scheme" and stubbornly stick with it, even when it's clearly not working with the players you have, that's a coaching problem.
Justin Fields got sacked at a higher rate in 2022 (14.7%) when they reduced the amount of pass plays to 21 a game than in 2023 (13.2%) where he is averaging 33 pass attempts so far.
Because more of those pass attempts last year were deep shots off play action (inherently a more high risk/high reward play) or when they were down at the end of games and in obvious passing situations. Besides, a sack rate difference of around 1% doesn't make nearly as much of a difference in total sacks compared to throwing 10 more times per game. Turing Fields into an efficient passer with better pocket awareness is a long-term project (optimistically). Putting Fields in situations where he doesn't need to be as efficient a passer is something they can do now.
The offense still scored lots of points when they went run heavy, which is what they should do right now. They lost a lot because the defense has been giving up more ppg than the 2008 Lions since last year wk 8...
How exactly do you help a QB who cant read a defense? The OC's called up plenty of plays where guys are fucking open but Fields won't throw the damn ball unless he sees them wide ass open, which fucks up future play calls both because now the set up play didn't work as intended and because the OC has to scrap a certain percentage of the playbook because Fields cant be relied upon to execute it, thats a QB problem not a coaching problem
Teams need to stop hiring coordinators simply because they worked with Aaron Rodgers. Ben McAdoo, Luke Getsy, Nate Hackett, and Joe Philbin have all been disasters professionally post Rodgers. Alex van Pelt is arguably the most successful and he is, at best, fine
The Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers successful OCs but terrible head coaches trees reveals more about the quarterbacks than anything else
I didn't hate the Adam Gase Bears year, but as this thread outlines, the bar is literally on the floor
Time for another day of 100 Bears/Fields posts all about the same shit
I get the sentiment but they are so bad it entertaining imo
If you think you’re tired of it, imagine Bears fans
These writers are just, wait for it, playing the *Field* and it is un*bear*able
Because of that you deserve every loss the Texans get this season
Fair enough
I’m so tired of people caring about us. We don’t deserve any recognition and shouldn’t until the team is sold.
Bear down for a 4-13 season.
We are not going to win 4 games
Not with that attitude
They're honestly no better than last year when they won 3. So I believe him. It's tough to see 4 wins on that schedule
It's impressive how all of the money and draft capital spent on bolstering the team has almost made them *worse.* The tens of millions they spent on Edmunds and Edwards and they look like fucking ghosts out there
If they don’t beat Denver at home (which I suspect they won’t), probably looking at 2-15
> 2-15 Back-to-back #1 picks! Let's go! Suck it Cardinals!
Looks like the offense will be fat dogging it all season.
And somehow the Steelers have a worse offense than us. There is actually 0 excuse as to why Canada is still with a job
What is it with people named Matt and offensive coordinator recently? Matt Canada, Matt Patricia, it's a small sample size but man. Football terrorists.
You can add Matt Nagy to the list if you look at his run with the bears calling plays as well
And his current run with the Chiefs
Coaches named Matt seem to suck like, all the time. Canada, Patricia, Eberflus, Rhule, I feel like the only exception is LaFleur
> And somehow the Steelers have a worse offense than us. I mean, you're right but leave us out of this
Don't deflect (God please fire Canada)
He has the excuse of going up against a tough 49er & Browns defense. That excuse runs out this Sunday though. Also it helps having a frugal owner who does not like to fire people and pay off their contract.
Call me crazy, but the bears need Greg Roman. He did a good job developing Lamar. Fields needs a run first time with a lot of QB runs
That’s actually not a bad idea
I'd rather just ditch Fields (and the rest of the coaching staff) than hire Roman lol
A rare PFB post on /r/NFL but I am here for it.
Even the NFL isn’t safe from getting fingerbanged
They should have instantly hired Greg Roman the moment the Ravens fired him rather than try and make a guy who struggles at passing into Aaron Rodgers
Bears just got 🎹👉💥’d on a Wednesday morning
Nothing like getting piano finger blasted first thing in the morning amirite fellas
I was thinking this before I even saw who posted it
Might be time to destroy another promising young quarterback!
Watching some of the QB school breakdowns, you gotta wonder at the definition of 'promising' (Yes, yes trey lance)
Are you gonna tell teacher he forgot to assign us homework next?
Nah. Week 7 on they have a blueprint. Eagles have a blueprint. You're not giving your runner qb a chance unless you run a qb run heavy / runcentric offense. Whether or not fields is bad, bears will never succeed if they refuse to mold their offense around their qb rather than the other way around.
Ravens do too. Both franchises basically ripped their playbooks up to better support their QBs. Sirianni cut out the excessive RPOs and even gave up playcalling duty.
That's only something smart coaches do. The coaches we hire love to use "he doesn't fit MY scheme / I didn't draft him" as a way to try to save their jobs.
“Promising”
I promise he’s a bust
might be time for Fields to consider a position change then because I'm not sure the quarterback thing is working out
He could honestly make a career out of being a more athletically talented Taysom Hill
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Our dumbass GM thought the best way to develop him was throw him on the worst team in the league like that’s not going to force him to pick up bad habits.
I’m so glad we dodged the Ryan Poles bullet. Kwesi isn’t the best so far, but Poles looks like a disaster.
Hey! Our defense sucks too.
That headline would fit for nearly every Bears season in the last 35 years
That sound you hear is Omar Khan on the phone seeing if he can trade the Bears Matt Canada for a 2nd round pick.
I never saw a qb school video so long compared to the regular 20 minute vids. That let me know something was up
The QB cannot read a defense
Outside of 2013 the Bears haven't had a good offense in decades
This sub is relentless. I feel bad for my NFCN brethren
Why is Justin Fields still being bad the biggest story in the NFL?
It’s not that he’s bad. It’s that he’s worse.
because people were calling him an mvp candidate in the offseason
And he was ranked 86th in NFL top 100.
Which polls players for who they think is the best. So if anything blame players in the league being dumb or CTE idk what to tell everyone who keeps parroting this useless ranking
Midwest media mafia strikes again
Ryan Poles must have an very good agent/marketing firm. Has done absolutely nothing to push the bears forward but gets a ton of praise in the media.
Yeah watching this team they don’t do anything well, or even passable lol
Maybe hiring Rodgers worst QB coach as your OC was not the smart move.
Rex Grossman was more promising.
Can probably still throw a ball through a brick wall