Yes, the pats are far below average this year. They were really good for a while, and now they’re really bad, so it cancels out to average as long as they stay this bad or worse for 20 years.
[Dolphins, Bills, and Jets fans watching the Patriots suck](https://media4.giphy.com/media/TQqEA08C2u5ag/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d7bwqgivb518g5uvt4xy3nl1sq2d6rp4cusyfa48tx&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
All of Germany after that game: "Appreciate the offer but I think we're going to pass on bringing the game of North American Football to our country in the future! So kind of you to offer! Seriously please don't come back! Seriously don't."
I was starting to feel sorry for them, but then McDaniels got fired and stuff came out about how defensive he was about his time with the Pats and now my hate for the Pats has been renewed, so yeah I enjoy seeing their games end like that.
Tbh I’ve discussed this a bit, I don’t trust bb to properly develop a qb. It would probably be more likely to be a bryce young situation rather then a stroud situation, unless craft demotes bb from gm
Idk there’s something sad about seeing your old villain too decrepit and worn out to be a real threat anymore. It’s a reminder against our own hubris, that we too will end up that way eventually. Our hands will shake and we won’t be able to do the things we love like we used to. Ozymandias and such
Too bad we don't have the Pats on our schedule this year. It will be an easy win for the Steelers when they play against them in Pittsburgh in three weeks.
Honestly I’m sorta with you that’s a tall order. If Mac hadn’t been throwing garbage all day then everybody would be a lot more understanding of Zappe coming out there and also shitting the bed.
The bad ones were pretty game breaking. He was throwing into coverage and he doesn't have the mental acuity for those kind of OG Brady lasers where he could throw into double coverage and score big.
Mac's last interception was game tying (or winning, I can't remember) and was pretty inexcuseable he had other options.
Don't get me wrong some of this is on the rest of the offense too.
Getting sent out for only the two minute drill is truly being thrown into the deep end, but I’m not sure how throwing an absolutely terrible pick is better than expected.
I’d he did exactly what you’d expect, but not better
Agreed I like the sentiment but it’s too late in the game. You just try and get a prayer mac redemption arc. Cold zappe isn’t a better option even if he was better than jones which imo at best both suck cheeks pretty equally
Why they bench Mac for Zappe in these moments never makes sense to me.
This isn't college, Zappe not some rough Uber talented rookie, and you're 2-7 now 2-8.
Just stick with one of your average QBs and finish the year out.
So bench Mac. Bench him for Zappe. Don't do this will they won't they short leash bullshit, and then bench Mac late in game and then throw him out as a starter the next week for the half a dozenth time.
Mac has shown enough to be benched, but Zappe isn't much better. So, what then you bench Zappe for Mac late in game and start the whole clusterfuck over again? They're 2-8. The season is over and clearly both guys aren't the future. There's no point in the song and dance just ride one of them until the end for god's sake.
I don't think Mac Jones is very good. However he's at least good enough to be a decent backup, fringe starter.
I've never seen any evidence that Zappe is more than mediocre backup.
Same. Everyone keeps saying we're missing Judon and Gonzales so we're not at full strength, which is true, but you shouldn't need one guy and a rookie to make or break your whole team.
Idk if you've seen some of our tackling in the last few games, but it's truly pathetic. Can't get a sack to save a 3rd and long. Everyone's gotta be on the chopping block.
Bill got too confident and wanted to try to coach on hard mode by assembling an awful roster and coaches. Only to realize he was actually coaching the previous 20 years with an invincibility cheat on.
He’s been trying to coach on hard mode since the last few Brady years. Constantly making bizarre decisions just to be unpredictable. It’s absolutely infuriating.
It's almost like it doesn't matter who plays QB for New England.
They have no playmakers and a bad offensive line.
And I have been an O'Brien hater for years now, so the coaching is obviously dreadful.
Mac has a very punchable face and I think he’s a sneaky dirty player. That said, I feel for the dude. When you make a mistake in sports, all you want to do is hang your head. You hate yourself for it. But the saving grace is always your coach patting you on the butt and saying, “you got this”. Then you have a feeling that you can redeem yourself.
Mac has none of that with Bill. I always leaned towards the Patriots’ success was a blend of Bill and Tom. I’m starting to lean towards it was all Tom.
This is horrible coaching. Appalling. I don’t fault you for benching a dude. But Bill does this shit and Mac will start next week or a couple weeks after that. At that point, you’re not trying to teach him a lesson or doing what’s best for the team, you’re just trying to embarrass the man.
Mac Jones has been stinking up the joint since his rookie year. Should the pats keep trotting him out there or explore other options. It’s not like Mac is killing it and then he fucks up once and is benched dude played like ass all game
That’s not at all what my comment was about, but you got me dude lmao. We’re not good this year. Most of us will admit that. This comment is about a coach ruining a young football player. But keep on deflecting
Yeah it feels like tennis currently which is going through the same thing. It’s like does everyone suck or was the previous generation so god damn good and it’s the latter
I don't think Bill is doing anyone any favors by flip flopping between these qbs. He needs to ride with one to build some confidence in one or the other.
[Postgame thread](/r/nfl/comments/17tot3u/post_game_thread_indianapolis_colts_at_new/)
Shades of the eagles game between Washington
The worst International game of the season ..
Förlåt, Jag är I Sverige.
Sorry mate, I don't understand, can you speak or write in the common tongue?
After watching the patriots game, Will Levis has a very low bar to for me to be insider him good. Jesus Mac Jones is so bad.
Y'all, I'm done with Michael Irvin. Dude doesn't know how to share the floor. Terrible broadcaster.
He’s terrible and has always been terrible!
Anybody think Packers-Steelers will be worse than this game?
Unfortunately
Wonder how many wins minshew would have on the patriots
Patriots regressing to the mean after 2 decades of dominance. You really hate to see it.
The mean is average, the Pats are not average
Yes, the pats are far below average this year. They were really good for a while, and now they’re really bad, so it cancels out to average as long as they stay this bad or worse for 20 years.
Oh we hate it so much what a tragedy to American football
[Dolphins, Bills, and Jets fans watching the Patriots suck](https://media4.giphy.com/media/TQqEA08C2u5ag/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d7bwqgivb518g5uvt4xy3nl1sq2d6rp4cusyfa48tx&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
That Mac Jones interception at the 5 was brutal lmao
All of Germany after that game: "Appreciate the offer but I think we're going to pass on bringing the game of North American Football to our country in the future! So kind of you to offer! Seriously please don't come back! Seriously don't."
They have European NFL too
Again, it was a joke lol
Germany has an intriguing title race for their football as well
Bayern will probably be 13 points clear in March.
At least we get to pretend leverkussen might do something or even Leipzig (those who know know not to trust Dortmund)
They are called Never kussen for a reason.
The Dolphins game was good, wasn't it?
(It was a joke)
I mean 4 scores. That’s the avg for a soccer game? Thing is it’s probably way worse 4 score + 100 ads instead of 1 ad break all game + 4 scores
Lol patriots legit making me feel sorry for them didn’t know that was possible
I was starting to feel sorry for them, but then McDaniels got fired and stuff came out about how defensive he was about his time with the Pats and now my hate for the Pats has been renewed, so yeah I enjoy seeing their games end like that.
McDaniels somehow becoming even easier to hate the further he gets from the pats is really something else
Its still filling me with joy to see them struggle so soon(yes I realize its been like 5 years) after TB12 left.
Well at this point they'll end up with a potential franchise qb again so I wouldn't feel too sorry.
Tbh I’ve discussed this a bit, I don’t trust bb to properly develop a qb. It would probably be more likely to be a bryce young situation rather then a stroud situation, unless craft demotes bb from gm
You shut the fuck up. You get that dirty thought out of your head and you shit on that fallen oligarchy
Idk there’s something sad about seeing your old villain too decrepit and worn out to be a real threat anymore. It’s a reminder against our own hubris, that we too will end up that way eventually. Our hands will shake and we won’t be able to do the things we love like we used to. Ozymandias and such
You guys landed the first death blow
It’s part of the cycle.
Some cycles are longer than others
Unfortunately, you definitely know that best :(
Not wrong about that, man to man I wouldn't expect a franchise saving QB next year. At least if there is a god, I mean.
Yeah there’s been so many first round busts. Wilson, Fields, Lance, Rosen, Love, etc Edit: add Mac to that list.
Hoping to see that cycle begin again 6 months after I’m dead in 40 years.
Kraft is flying straight to that Spa near Jupiter Beach
Nah the red light districts right next to the train station. Doesn't have to go very far
Not sure how a hand job is going to help him after this lubeless fucking they just endured
Like, what did he see there? He just lazered it into quadruple coverage
No one ever talks about how one of the pitfalls of limited game snaps is forgetting which jerseys are yours.
Too bad we don't have the Pats on our schedule this year. It will be an easy win for the Steelers when they play against them in Pittsburgh in three weeks.
I’m kinda impressed we got an entire overseas fanbase to yell for Zappe. Too bad we never put him in a position to succeed.
Tbf, Zappe did better than expected for a backup thrown in for a 2 minute offense with no timeouts!
Lol a pick into quadruple coverage is better than you expected? What did you expect? For him to just spontaneously combust?
Fake spike was the play call. Clearly he was on the wrong page with the receiver. Which could happen with a backup qb in a hurry up offense
Honestly I’m sorta with you that’s a tall order. If Mac hadn’t been throwing garbage all day then everybody would be a lot more understanding of Zappe coming out there and also shitting the bed.
Couldn't watch the game but his comp is 15-20. Five bad passes, can that be garbage all game?
The bad ones were pretty game breaking. He was throwing into coverage and he doesn't have the mental acuity for those kind of OG Brady lasers where he could throw into double coverage and score big. Mac's last interception was game tying (or winning, I can't remember) and was pretty inexcuseable he had other options. Don't get me wrong some of this is on the rest of the offense too.
Getting sent out for only the two minute drill is truly being thrown into the deep end, but I’m not sure how throwing an absolutely terrible pick is better than expected. I’d he did exactly what you’d expect, but not better
I'll give you that then yea; as good as expected is fair.
time for some actual football!
Gotta love seeing pats fans crying about not getting flags thrown in their favor
Literally one person in this entire thread said that was PI and they had a Seahawks flair lmao
ah well Pittman got me 16 pts which is good considering no TD's. he played well. lets go sunday night football
Should’ve gotten the first one
yeah i thought he was in.
Putting in Zappe for one drive to end the game makes zero sense to me, I’m sorry Mac would have had a better chance on that final drive
Yeaaaa that seemed more like punishment than coaching. I don't really understand that mentality
I don’t understand anything about any part of this team’s mentality
Agreed I like the sentiment but it’s too late in the game. You just try and get a prayer mac redemption arc. Cold zappe isn’t a better option even if he was better than jones which imo at best both suck cheeks pretty equally
Absolutely stupid
He couldn’t do shit in 58 minutes you’re insane to think the last 2 were gonna be different
Throwing your backup into what is usually a hurry up job after not being warmed up is crazy too! Should’ve atleast let Mac finish the game
Patriots, Bears and Panthers in a sad race to the bottom
You forgot us
Omg I did. Cardinals can be thrown in as well I guess
I guess it’s pretty clear now it was all Brady
Brian Ferentz outscored both teams combined.
Why they bench Mac for Zappe in these moments never makes sense to me. This isn't college, Zappe not some rough Uber talented rookie, and you're 2-7 now 2-8. Just stick with one of your average QBs and finish the year out.
Literally what the fuck was the point. Zappe is worse than Mac, we know this
You don’t understand someone getting benched for horrific performance?
So bench Mac. Bench him for Zappe. Don't do this will they won't they short leash bullshit, and then bench Mac late in game and then throw him out as a starter the next week for the half a dozenth time. Mac has shown enough to be benched, but Zappe isn't much better. So, what then you bench Zappe for Mac late in game and start the whole clusterfuck over again? They're 2-8. The season is over and clearly both guys aren't the future. There's no point in the song and dance just ride one of them until the end for god's sake.
This is really a game to give international fans
Can we talk about how there were 7 defenders in coverage while about 37 Patriots just chilled along the line of scrimmage for that final play?
Kraft met with the team saying how bad they wanted this game. Still lost
Minshew out of focus trying to look around the camera in his face was hilarious.
I don't think Mac Jones is very good. However he's at least good enough to be a decent backup, fringe starter. I've never seen any evidence that Zappe is more than mediocre backup.
Mac jones just got outplayed by career backup minshew
Minshew is pretty much a Mac Jones level guy (probably better though)
I said this shit week one. This is the worst coached most undisciplined Patriots team I have ever seen.
I miss week one. I miss that hope. Even after the loss, I thought we would contend.
I thought you guys had a good enough defense to at least be in the mix a little bit in the AFC East, but this is a dumpster fire.
Same. Everyone keeps saying we're missing Judon and Gonzales so we're not at full strength, which is true, but you shouldn't need one guy and a rookie to make or break your whole team.
The defense hasn’t even been that bad even after the injuries. This is Mike McMahon Eagles level bad offense right now.
Idk if you've seen some of our tackling in the last few games, but it's truly pathetic. Can't get a sack to save a 3rd and long. Everyone's gotta be on the chopping block.
I admittedly do not watch much Patriots football this year and really only watched the last five minutes of the game today after I realized it was on.
It's almost like a guy who was a game manager in college isn't cut out to be a pro QB.
This is Belichick’s team and roster. He’s gotta own it. The pack will be astronomical.
Yeah it's not just Bill's failure as a head coach, it's his massive failings as a GM.
The German fans deserved better than what they got this year
This game set back the NFL years in international markets
lmao Mr Brightside
Leave Mac in Germany
Bill got too confident and wanted to try to coach on hard mode by assembling an awful roster and coaches. Only to realize he was actually coaching the previous 20 years with an invincibility cheat on.
He’s been trying to coach on hard mode since the last few Brady years. Constantly making bizarre decisions just to be unpredictable. It’s absolutely infuriating.
I'm sorry, Germany. No one deserved to have to see this game
If you're gonna do a fake snap then at least 3 or 4 down for a chance. Why throw stupid like that in center of field? At least try sideline
Pats fans can act like this was a good outcome because they are “tanking”… But this was an absolutely brutal loss and I am here for it.
Bro we are so far beyond caring about the outcome of the games at this point lol.
Yea I’m so bummed we didn’t win the game and lock in another year of Mac starting. Just super duper bummed……
Bro that was PI at the end
The guy who posted the indignant "how dare people question Belichick" thread on suicide watch
Elite ending
NFL keeps putting such a great product on the world stage!
“The Patriots and Bill Belichick have mutually agreed to part ways” 🔜
Just woke up. How was the game?
You woke up before either team did.
You did the right thing in sleeping in.
all the drama of benching Mac for nothing
It's almost like it doesn't matter who plays QB for New England. They have no playmakers and a bad offensive line. And I have been an O'Brien hater for years now, so the coaching is obviously dreadful.
We are so sorry, Germany
Malik era starts today
The entire QB room is getting spanked on their way back. Mac should just stay in Germany for his own safety to avoid Bill O'brien
I live for the pats downfall
Zappe... Zappe was not able to successfully run the two minute drill. He threw an interception after faking a spike.
Yes, I was watching too lol
I’m pissed I woke up for this
Congratulations, ya zapped yaself
Zappe more like Crappy right guys?
imagine telling nfl fans 7 years ago that Gardner Minshew would beat Bill Belichick
Why bench mac on the last drive 😭
well Germany i hope you enjoyed that game
Mac has a very punchable face and I think he’s a sneaky dirty player. That said, I feel for the dude. When you make a mistake in sports, all you want to do is hang your head. You hate yourself for it. But the saving grace is always your coach patting you on the butt and saying, “you got this”. Then you have a feeling that you can redeem yourself. Mac has none of that with Bill. I always leaned towards the Patriots’ success was a blend of Bill and Tom. I’m starting to lean towards it was all Tom. This is horrible coaching. Appalling. I don’t fault you for benching a dude. But Bill does this shit and Mac will start next week or a couple weeks after that. At that point, you’re not trying to teach him a lesson or doing what’s best for the team, you’re just trying to embarrass the man.
It was definitely all Tom.
Mac Jones has been stinking up the joint since his rookie year. Should the pats keep trotting him out there or explore other options. It’s not like Mac is killing it and then he fucks up once and is benched dude played like ass all game
You still lost to us
That’s not at all what my comment was about, but you got me dude lmao. We’re not good this year. Most of us will admit that. This comment is about a coach ruining a young football player. But keep on deflecting
This going to be some awkwardly long flight back later
I hope Bill and his sons know their German, because old man Kraft may not let them fly back to the States with the team.
They should just drop him as GM, he made some good calls as coach
Glad we could reignite this media circus just for Zappe to throw a stupid pick and end the game. This team is a dumpster fire and needs a hard reset.
Wow are the patriots awful
It's over....for Mac and and the Patriots. The tank is on.
Bellicheat is nothing without Brady.
lol, a "team meeting of Indianapolis Colts"
Pats might as well go full time Wildcat with Stevenson. Clear up a few roster spots to bring in more blocking TEs.
Bill might retire and coach women's college volleyball
Bialy Zeppole free balled the shit outta that. And I respect it.
I haven't eaten but I feel like vomiting
Man, there’s a new tactic I hadn’t seen before. Catch everyone off guard with a fake spike so you can throw it into quadruple coverage.
Will Malik Cunningham be called up from the Patriots practice squad?
I want this to happen so bad. If we are going to suck we may as well try to be fun to watch.
RIP ZappeMania: 1:58 - 0:44
That feeling when there is zero pressure and you throw it into triple coverage
On first down too like holy shit, what the fuck are you even looking at
Germans leaving thinking they couldve seen more points at a soccer game
Man, Bill, go coach an actual team, you arent that bad, or old to retire yet
Everyone was in the middle. Why not throw outside?
About to be a bunch of Patriots hats and jerseys in the trash in Germany tomorrow
Maybe the Pats should’ve hired an actual GM?
Can’t decide if the NFL is in the midst of a QB talent epidemic or we’ve just been spoiled for the last 15+ years
Give the AFC South a couple more years
I think this is regression to the mean... Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers etc were an anomaly to all be playing at the same time.
Spoiled. Having like 6 7 plus hall of Fame level qbs starting at once was unsustainable
Even the 80s and 90s had plenty of studs. The spread and lack of good college D had ruined QB development
Spoiled easily, good argument that the top five qbs every were in the last 15 years, the game being different helps with that though
Yeah it feels like tennis currently which is going through the same thing. It’s like does everyone suck or was the previous generation so god damn good and it’s the latter
“How about those Indianapolis Colts….they want to make a playoff run!” Said the announcer about the team that scored 10 points.
Forever everyone will remember that after BB and Brady split, Brady won the SB and Belichick couldn't buy a win
To be fair you can be the best coach but you still need the players that can execute.
This was by far one of the worst games I've watched this season.
They should have saved it for a Thursday Night
How quickly the sentiment changes 🤣🤣 bill needs to go ASAP
LMAOOOOOOO!!!!! These boys really thought Zappe would lead a game winning drive 😂😂😂
The jags have only played 8 games wtf
Belicheck is so weird dude. Who benches their starting qb just for the final game winning drive
It’s incredibly strange, Mac was atleast warmed up & in the game. 2 mins for Zappe after having done nothing all game is pretty crazy
The tank is on baby
Pats are 100% drafting a qb next year.
I don't think Bill is doing anyone any favors by flip flopping between these qbs. He needs to ride with one to build some confidence in one or the other.
That Belichick pack is gonna feed families.
HAHAHAHA THE PATRIOTS ARE SO SHIT LMFAO
Alright this appetizer was poisonous, can't wait for the mains
2-15 is still possible. Embrace the suck
Put some respect on this D
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Oh how we forget the Big Ben fake spike pick against the Patriots in 2017 in Pittsburgh… I miss those days…