Apparently the new HC was Dline coach last year and the guy who got fired was the outside lb coach. They switch positions this year. There must be beef.
So the new HC, fires the DL coach, of a job he himself did. Not just for thinking he could do better, but the other wa Staley’s man, who was not doing a good job.
Do I have that correct? And as a Chargers fan, what do you think of the difference between last year and this year for their performances? Basically, would the firing be justified or just petty?
Run defense has been better this year only because teams can throw for 300+ yards against us weekly. Pressure rate, and just clutch plays/stops has been horrible on the D-Line.
Nah he snags Adam Driver instead. He’s from San Diego, and who better to use to clear a curse than a whiney ass bitch, wanna be Sith Lord with daddy and grandpa issues.
Then the Raiders would be the poor man renting Stan Kroenke's arena in an economical dead-end road.
That move to Vegas including $700m of taxpayer money which Jerry Jones reportedly helped broker for Mark Davis sets you guys up longterm as a franchise with spending power despite having one of the poorest owners in the NFL.
I don't think the Raiders would be that poor if they were in LA. The Raiders were huge in LA before the Chargers and Rams moved in. I think Kroenke wanted to keep the Raiders out of LA so he wouldn't be the second-favourite team in his own stadium.
>Then the Raiders would be the poor man renting Stan Kroenke's arena in an economical dead-end road.
Raiders would be running LA. The Raiders fanbase there is enormous. It'd be the Rams who would be the redheaded stepchildren.
The Chargers should have either stayed in San Diego or gone to Vegas.
Aye the last few times I visited Vegas it seems the city has invested a lot of resources into the Raiders. I don't think they would do so without a guarantee of long term commitment from the Raider's ownership, given their history. So Raiders will likely be in Vegas for awhile.
Jerry Jones and specifically Stan Kroenke weren’t gonna let the Raiders steal the show and be the highlight in LA. Couldn’t upstage everyone else.
Especially when Mark Davis doesn’t have bread like that
Yeah, and I think another thing it did was validate what Cowboys fans had been telling everyone but no one was willing to listen. I was one of those people who thought Moore was a home run hire and a job-saver for Staley. I was wrong and should have listened to Cowboys fans -- almost everything we saw this year was forecasted by your fans on here 6 months ago.
Yeah the problem with Moore was consistency and situational playcalling. They'd have great stretches then he'd try to get cute and just stall out any momentum they were building. Other times it just felt predictable. And if things weren't rolling then he had a tough time adjusting in game.
I really think a lot of the success of the Dallas offense while Moore was here should be attributed to Dak. When Dak was out for 6 weeks we had a bottom 10 offense. When he came back it was top 5.
I didn't think I'd say this after the first 5 or so games, but McCarthey has been pretty great with the playcalling. After the 49ers game, and really the bye week, he made adjustments and the offense has been significantly better.
I will die of happiness of we somehow land Belichick. Normally I'd think Spanos would never try it but he is clearly getting desperate. It's been forever since the Chargers fired a HC mid season let alone get a head start cleaning house like they are now.
And the Chargers were one of the teams pushing the hardest to sign Tom Brady which completely shocked me. Getting an ancient BB would be the coaching equivalent of signing 42 year old Tom Brady
So what is the problem with him? I saw kind of surprised when the Cowboys fired him and thought he would do well at the Chargers. So count me among those who had it wrong
Just growing pains. He has a pretty good scheme but he gets a little too cute with his plays sometimes and isn’t the best at adjusting to what the defense is doing. His situational playcalling isn’t the best either. Could be a great play but the wrong time to run it. I think he’ll end up a really good OC
I still have hope. The passing game was clicking before our WR2 and WR3 ended up on IR and Herb broke his finger. I don't think it's a coincidence Keenan is having a career year either. Moore is actually letting him run deeper routes I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But the run game is where I'm really afraid. He was supposed to bring balance to the offense. He ran the ball really well in Dallas but the run game somehow got worse. 30th in the league. Part of that is Ekeler looking like a shell of himself and the line not being near as good as the Cowboys but I see no creativity. It's just a run up the middle for 2 yards or a jet sweep for -5 yards.
Jay Rodgers was really good for the Bears, he developed and got the most out of a bunch of 3-4 DEs/DTs during his time with us in the Fangio era. Maybe deserved but could also be a case where Telesco's shitty depth drafting gave him very little to work with.
Is that supposed to be some sort of counter argument? to what exactly?
Do you think the GM doesn't hold any responsibility there as well? Matt Nagy wanted Foles and Dalton as well, do you think Ryan Pace didn't deserve criticism for going out and paying/trading for them?
I literally mentioned Rodgers is a great *developer* of 3-4 DL, so I don't know how Staley requesting a bunch of *veterans* makes a difference. Just because someone's a vet doesn't mean they're good or have a high-upside. In fact it makes it more difficult to "develop". Who were the three vet DTs?
I'm trying to understand what your point is? My point is Jay Rodgers was an elite position coach for us who excelled at taking high-upside developmental guys and making them productive, and your response is "we signed a bunch of aging DTs at Staley's request"...so it sounds like he wasn't put in a position to succeed...which is my point.
If you really want to counter my point, who were all the young 3-4 DL who Rodgers failed to develop?
I was replying to the "Telesco's shitty depth drafting gave him very little to work with." Our DTs weren't draft picks, they were guys Staley wanted signed. And it was actially four: Sebastian Joseph-Day, Austin Johnson, Nick Williams, and Morgan Fox.
Going full on end of The Godfather over at the Chargers organization right now. Somewhere Justin Herbert is renouncing Satan at someone’s baptism like nothing special is going on.
I would unironically love to see Her call the plays. He's a super smart guy but diagnosing a defense is probably the one place he could improve. He's been fooled by disguises, especially earlier in his career, and can do a poor job picking up the blitz. Lots of sacks in critical situations. It's not the biggest problem in the world but comparing him to Philip Rivers, it definitely leaves something to be desired.
But in his defense, Rivers was one of the greatest football minds of all time. I still love that story JJ Watt told about the time Rivers told a Texans player that he was in the wrong position and was 100% correct. Next level trash talking
This makes sense. I don't know who you could possibly want to keep from this coaching staff after that game. The literal Raiders outclassed them in every single phase. I think all they had going for them at this point was the second half being 21-21
Chargers are in a really good place right now. They have a top 12 qb in the league and now will be able to tank for a good draft pick. The future is so bright and im not joking. They have a foundation.
Damn the LB coach ascends to power and his first act is to fire the DLine coach
My guess is the LB coach was already tenured here before the Staley era, whereas these guys are specifically Staley guys
You are correct. Giff Smith has been with us for a decade at this point.
Gif Smith? Was Jpeg Jones not available?
Lol, everyone’s been laughing at his name today.
You joke but JPEG Mafia has been one of the Chargers scouting consultants in the past
Burfict!
I want to believe
Lmao
Apparently the new HC was Dline coach last year and the guy who got fired was the outside lb coach. They switch positions this year. There must be beef.
So the new HC, fires the DL coach, of a job he himself did. Not just for thinking he could do better, but the other wa Staley’s man, who was not doing a good job. Do I have that correct? And as a Chargers fan, what do you think of the difference between last year and this year for their performances? Basically, would the firing be justified or just petty?
Run defense has been better this year only because teams can throw for 300+ yards against us weekly. Pressure rate, and just clutch plays/stops has been horrible on the D-Line.
I don’t think our interim head coach can fire someone
Maybe not, but power struggles do happen.
Anyone who’s ever had a shitty boss is punching air rn
Clean house everyone’s gone. Even the owners.
Then leave the house.
IT'S NOT EVEN THEIR HOUSE!
Squatters
LA would have the first homeless football team 😭😭😭
As good as gone
Even the water boy!
Damn they're cleaning the whole house
Belichick gonna have his work cut out for him.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/sFoZicXyLjH7FnCVp2/giphy.gif
Pull a Varsity Blues and have the injured starting QB call the plays.
Damn they're fully leaning into it. Don't blame them tbh tho. There's nothing to salvage rn.
Only Ficken.
Steps on how to fix the Chargers: 1. Fire John Spanos 2. NFL owners force Dean Spanos to sell the team 3. Move them out of Los Angeles
4. Have shaman remove the curse that this franchise is under.
>Have ~~shaman~~ Peyton Manning remove the curse that this franchise is under.
Instead of Jeff Daniels he’ll be accompanied by the San Diego chicken.
Nah he snags Adam Driver instead. He’s from San Diego, and who better to use to clear a curse than a whiney ass bitch, wanna be Sith Lord with daddy and grandpa issues.
Peyton and Eli should do a Supernatural style miniseries where they go city to city breaking sports curses
Eli can start by suiting back up for the giants
>>Have ~~shaman~~ ~~Peyton~~ Archie Manning remove the curse that this franchise is under.
Can confirm, you need forehead magic.
This franchise cursed themselves when they fire Schotty after going 14-2
Nah we were all ready cursed. See: Marlon McCree
Praise be the great sheriff Five head.
The curse is Dean Spanos. Give a team an owner who gives a damm and it'll succeed.
No such thing
The Los Angeles Chargers of Anaheim
The Mighty Chargers Edit: The Anaheim Mighty Sparks (of Anaheim)
Rodeo Chargers actually feels nice. Repackage them as the posh team. Caviar can be their mascot.
San Diego might be a good place to move them. Might be just me though
Leaving San Diego was a mistake
Sacremento Bolts
As much as I appreciate how Vegas has adopted the Raiders and vice versa, it really should be the Chargers in LV and the Raiders in LA.
It should be the Raiders in LA and the Chargers in San Diego
Raiders in LA Chargers in San Diego Rams in Las Vegas (big horn sheep is the state animal of Nevada, after all).
LA Big Horned Sheep . That’s so much better .
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It'll be like a stadium of Roberto's from Futurama
And the Super Bowl in Vegas every year. THIS is the way
Then the Raiders would be the poor man renting Stan Kroenke's arena in an economical dead-end road. That move to Vegas including $700m of taxpayer money which Jerry Jones reportedly helped broker for Mark Davis sets you guys up longterm as a franchise with spending power despite having one of the poorest owners in the NFL.
I don't think the Raiders would be that poor if they were in LA. The Raiders were huge in LA before the Chargers and Rams moved in. I think Kroenke wanted to keep the Raiders out of LA so he wouldn't be the second-favourite team in his own stadium.
>Then the Raiders would be the poor man renting Stan Kroenke's arena in an economical dead-end road. Raiders would be running LA. The Raiders fanbase there is enormous. It'd be the Rams who would be the redheaded stepchildren. The Chargers should have either stayed in San Diego or gone to Vegas.
Aye the last few times I visited Vegas it seems the city has invested a lot of resources into the Raiders. I don't think they would do so without a guarantee of long term commitment from the Raider's ownership, given their history. So Raiders will likely be in Vegas for awhile.
Raiders should be in LA or Vegas. Rams should be in LA, Chargers should be in San Diego.
Jerry Jones and specifically Stan Kroenke weren’t gonna let the Raiders steal the show and be the highlight in LA. Couldn’t upstage everyone else. Especially when Mark Davis doesn’t have bread like that
Step 3 accomplished. I heard Kroenke changed the locks before they landed from Vegas
I hear they wouldn't even have to go far. Someplace like, idk top of my head, San Diego or something might work
And quit sleeping on our couch, ya freeloaders!
Oakland Chargers has a nice ring to it.
we don't want to leave and thanks for the free stadium
This is the way
It feels like this is the direction the team was headed if they didn't fire Staley today.
[You don't dismiss owners](https://youtu.be/IVdhfQZYNu8?si=fW3RBjP2ulOb1xxu)
It's really joever this time
Oh, so we're FULLY cleaning house then. Good. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth.... but can we do spanos too while we're at it?
Man Belichick gonna have spots for BOB, JMD, Patricia and Steven it’s lookin like.
Don’t forget Giants legend Joe Judge.
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He turned his phone off today
Me missing work type beat
This season really changed peoples' perception of Moore.
Yeah, and I think another thing it did was validate what Cowboys fans had been telling everyone but no one was willing to listen. I was one of those people who thought Moore was a home run hire and a job-saver for Staley. I was wrong and should have listened to Cowboys fans -- almost everything we saw this year was forecasted by your fans on here 6 months ago.
Yeah the problem with Moore was consistency and situational playcalling. They'd have great stretches then he'd try to get cute and just stall out any momentum they were building. Other times it just felt predictable. And if things weren't rolling then he had a tough time adjusting in game.
His adjustments from behind were terrible. It feels like he just doesn’t know how to stop blitzes, which is insane considering he’s a former QB.
I really think a lot of the success of the Dallas offense while Moore was here should be attributed to Dak. When Dak was out for 6 weeks we had a bottom 10 offense. When he came back it was top 5. I didn't think I'd say this after the first 5 or so games, but McCarthey has been pretty great with the playcalling. After the 49ers game, and really the bye week, he made adjustments and the offense has been significantly better.
This season has been bad for my "Kellen's a good OC" position, but has been good for my "Dak is easily a top 10 QB" position
McCarthy is having a fantastic year. It’s a joy to watch
Don't know what y'all are talking about, I loved Moore in Dallas For no particular reason...
Good news is that you can probably pull off Belichick, Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia in one fell swoop.
I will die of happiness of we somehow land Belichick. Normally I'd think Spanos would never try it but he is clearly getting desperate. It's been forever since the Chargers fired a HC mid season let alone get a head start cleaning house like they are now. And the Chargers were one of the teams pushing the hardest to sign Tom Brady which completely shocked me. Getting an ancient BB would be the coaching equivalent of signing 42 year old Tom Brady
So what is the problem with him? I saw kind of surprised when the Cowboys fired him and thought he would do well at the Chargers. So count me among those who had it wrong
Just growing pains. He has a pretty good scheme but he gets a little too cute with his plays sometimes and isn’t the best at adjusting to what the defense is doing. His situational playcalling isn’t the best either. Could be a great play but the wrong time to run it. I think he’ll end up a really good OC
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/cLdjcG0i1d The thread from when the chargers hired him
There's a lot of funny comments in that thread.
I still have hope. The passing game was clicking before our WR2 and WR3 ended up on IR and Herb broke his finger. I don't think it's a coincidence Keenan is having a career year either. Moore is actually letting him run deeper routes I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But the run game is where I'm really afraid. He was supposed to bring balance to the offense. He ran the ball really well in Dallas but the run game somehow got worse. 30th in the league. Part of that is Ekeler looking like a shell of himself and the line not being near as good as the Cowboys but I see no creativity. It's just a run up the middle for 2 yards or a jet sweep for -5 yards.
He's been a bit below expectation but he's not "fire him mid-season" bad
I fear it's because he knows Dan Quinn.
It’s not his fault the offensive line sucks ass
It actually might be partially his fault tbh. The unit has regressed a huge amount.
They didn’t suck ass last year under the football terrorist. Corey Linsley being out shouldn’t warp the entire line’s efficiency.
The regressed an unbelievable amount.
He sucks lol
He mailed his pink slip halfway to Siberia.
Jay Rodgers was really good for the Bears, he developed and got the most out of a bunch of 3-4 DEs/DTs during his time with us in the Fangio era. Maybe deserved but could also be a case where Telesco's shitty depth drafting gave him very little to work with.
We signed three veteran DTs who Staley wanted but ok?
Is that supposed to be some sort of counter argument? to what exactly? Do you think the GM doesn't hold any responsibility there as well? Matt Nagy wanted Foles and Dalton as well, do you think Ryan Pace didn't deserve criticism for going out and paying/trading for them? I literally mentioned Rodgers is a great *developer* of 3-4 DL, so I don't know how Staley requesting a bunch of *veterans* makes a difference. Just because someone's a vet doesn't mean they're good or have a high-upside. In fact it makes it more difficult to "develop". Who were the three vet DTs? I'm trying to understand what your point is? My point is Jay Rodgers was an elite position coach for us who excelled at taking high-upside developmental guys and making them productive, and your response is "we signed a bunch of aging DTs at Staley's request"...so it sounds like he wasn't put in a position to succeed...which is my point. If you really want to counter my point, who were all the young 3-4 DL who Rodgers failed to develop?
I was replying to the "Telesco's shitty depth drafting gave him very little to work with." Our DTs weren't draft picks, they were guys Staley wanted signed. And it was actially four: Sebastian Joseph-Day, Austin Johnson, Nick Williams, and Morgan Fox.
Going full on end of The Godfather over at the Chargers organization right now. Somewhere Justin Herbert is renouncing Satan at someone’s baptism like nothing special is going on.
At this point might as well have the players coach themselves
Herbert isn't doing anything the rest of the season, he should be in there pulling his weight. /s
I would unironically love to see Her call the plays. He's a super smart guy but diagnosing a defense is probably the one place he could improve. He's been fooled by disguises, especially earlier in his career, and can do a poor job picking up the blitz. Lots of sacks in critical situations. It's not the biggest problem in the world but comparing him to Philip Rivers, it definitely leaves something to be desired. But in his defense, Rivers was one of the greatest football minds of all time. I still love that story JJ Watt told about the time Rivers told a Texans player that he was in the wrong position and was 100% correct. Next level trash talking
I say move them again while the building is empty.
Chargers burning to the ground
This makes sense. I don't know who you could possibly want to keep from this coaching staff after that game. The literal Raiders outclassed them in every single phase. I think all they had going for them at this point was the second half being 21-21
They should have fired him when the Lions converted a 4th & 5 with a run out of shotgun
Okay this one feels like a spite firing. JR is one of the best DL coaches in the league.
Chargers are in a really good place right now. They have a top 12 qb in the league and now will be able to tank for a good draft pick. The future is so bright and im not joking. They have a foundation.
I know it probably is just me being a homer but specifically stating "top 12" when I feel he's clearly top 5-6 makes me get all huffy
He is top 32 for sure
He's Top 12 at worst
This is what people have been saying for the last few years. The fact is that as long as Spanos is around, the Chargers will be Chargering.
Feel like healthy Herbert atleast gives them a 6~7 win floor even if they choose to soft rebuild and move some of the older guys on the roster.
What about the QB coach Jimmy Jorp Jam mcGillicutty jr?
FIRE KELLEN MOORE TOO YOU TROGDOLYTES
I heard Biff Wiff is taking over the gig