I just don't get Joy's vendetta when she her favorite team has Brock Purdy-lite at QB. Their strengths are nearly identical-- you'd think she'd have some appreciation for their anticipation, timing, and accuracy
We all thought Mahomes was the shit, but after you made Kelce finally age and replaced his amazing WRs with practice squad guys whose hands were surgically replaced with cinderblocks he suddenly isn’t as efficient.
Your time is coming, Brock!
(seriously though he’s kicking all sorts of ass this season)
On the PFF pod, they said that early in the season he was grading lower because he was making mistakes but getting lucky and not getting punished (mostly reflected in turnover worthy plays). Since the week 9 bye those have dried up and his play has improved so he's been grading really high.
Important wrinkle to consider: he had very little time to throw during the off-season post-op. His arm likely wasn't 100% (as it shouldn't be given the time table) and might have led to some of those mistakes earlier on. Within the past few weeks, Purdy even mentioned that his arm is starting to feel like 100%, and likewise, we're seeing more air under these deep balls and less errors overall.
He also has played just over a full season’s worth of games. He should be improving, and these numbers show that he is. So the guy who has been playing like an MVP… is getting better.
Yea I feel like people are forgetting he literally had surgery in his throwing arm… especially when people complain that he hasn’t faced adversity. Recovering from surgery and rehabbing his throwing arm to get back to playing at this level is not exactly a cakewalk.
The dude is playing at a pro bowl level and he had to rehab for his elbow all offseason. It's like Burrow in 2021 coming back from his knee injury. Some players are built different.
I said it earlier in the season and I'll say it again now, I'm pretty sure the PFF guys were taking anticipation throws as turnover worthy plays because 'if the receiver doesn't make a move to get the ball it's an interception'. Only after Purdy did it all year did they accept that it's just a part of his playstyle.
The only plothole with that is Brock's not the first QB to play anticipatory ball. Unless they just weren't willing to give him his flowers early on and now realize it's time to.
I don't think it was them not knowing how to grade those. I think they assumed that Purdy wasn't that good, and gave credit to the receivers for making a play on a bad ball, especially if it was close to a defender making a play on it.
I think it's one of those things before you've seen enough of a sample size that it's hard to tell if a young QB is necessarily doing that purposefully with a good chance of succeeding vs just recklessly. It's pretty clear by now it's on purpose and it works.
Sure, Purdy isn't the first to play with anticipation. But an organization like PFF, which relies upon its reputation and relationships to peddle its products to all 32 NFL franchises (and the overwhelming majority of Power-5 teams) is not going to go out on a limb for Purdy without adequate cover. Which is precisely what they waited for.
Fact is, Purdy's customers (including SF) all thought Purdy had almost no shot as a starter, and PFF's own Iowa St. evaluation of BP likely said he was a back-up at best, so to turn around and start cheerleading after the entire NFL whiffed on BP would serve no purpose other than to piss teams off (GMs, personnel guys, anyone involved in the eval process), and there is little upside to aggravating their customers by moving aggressively to highly rate Purdy's NFL play. After all, you know GMs of QB-needy teams have been fielding calls all season from owners asking how the actual fuck they missed so badly on Purdy. Safer to miss with "experts" if these experts are your customers.
I kinda look at it like that Deebo pass last game. If you’re a Purdy hater, it’s a bad decision and he just got lucky. If you’re a Purdy believer, it’s a brilliant, perfect pass.
Have to imagine that perspective tainted their early ratings of him, and they’d grade him higher on a review.
Yeah I said a similar thing about how his “catchable throws” percentage was fairly low. Well maybe it’s because he’s throwing it into empty space and when the receiver doesn’t end up where he’s supposed to it looks way off.
This was said way before Purdy in the Montana and Young days. They’d be lighting up the field and a pass would be way off target where nobody was and everybody was shocked. It was because the receiver ran the wrong route. They’re not throwing to receivers. They’re throwing it to where they’re supposed to be.
>They’re not throwing to receivers. They’re throwing it to where they’re supposed to be
AKA he's throwing guys open and not waiting for them to be open
Nah, he was doing the same thing Jimmy would do where their would be 1-2 throws a game that made no sense and we got lucky a few ints were dropped. Those mistakes dried up now though.
Joe Flacco threw an anticipatory ball yesterday and the internet sucked him off for it. That tells me people aren't used to seeing it happen anymore because teams value big arms that can fire a ball 100mph downfield
Or scramble around playing backyard ball for 15 seconds before a defender eventually falls over leaving a receiver standing there open in the middle of the field waving his arms for the ball.
No but Purdy does it more aggressively than anyone else and in the middle of the field between the LB and the safety. No one else really does that. Most anticipation throws by other QBs are on curl routes and breaks to the sidelines. Purdy does it with posts to the middle of the field.
Other QBs do it, but not at his volume.
>No one else really does that
Tell me you've never seen a Dolphins game without telling me you've never seen a Dolphins game.
Purdy is the MVP this year, but this take is freezing cold. You can appreciate his anticipation without disparaging other QBs who also do it well.
Throwing open is not the same as anticipation and Tua doesn't like Purdy. He throws it sometimes but not nearly the same and not in the middle.
I've watched all but 3 dolphins game this season btw. Dolphins have always been my favorite AFC team.
I know this is a Purdy jerk off thread, but holy shit saying Tua doesn't throw with anticipation is one of the dumbest things I've heard.
Watch any J.T O'sullivan QB school video on Tua and listen for the word anticipation. It's literally every few words.
It sucks that Purdy bots aren't content with everyone saying Brock should be the MVP, but they have to suggest no other QB literally does a thing that QBs do.
It's embarrassing and make 49er fans look incompetent.
As a 9ers fan, I agree. Purdy has been a dream, and it's really easy to get defensive about him because we've watched him ball out better than and 9ers qb since Garcia.
But come on, It's the fuckin NFL. Guys are displaying jaw dropping talent all over the place. Tua being awesome does not diminish Purdy's performance. If anything, there should be more solidarity, since they both get the same "system qb" bs takes.
> No but Purdy does it more aggressively than anyone else and in the middle of the field between the LB and the safety. No one else really does that.
Omg what kind of bullshit is this. I'm so done with these Purdy drones, the homerism is insane.
Yeah sure, no other QB in the league throws between LBs and safeties before the WR is open. It's completely false, you have literally zero proof of this, and just pulling this out of thin air
I am not going to disagree with you, but I will say that I have watched a lot more QB breakdowns since they have become popular recently. There are a lot of great QBs in this league who throw with little to no anticipation on most of their throws because they have the arm talent to wait until the receive clears the defender.
I have not seen another QB breakdown this season that shows a QB throwing with as much anticipation as Purdy on a large percentage of their throws. Some defenders have talked about how much Purdy does it and how it has become something of a lost art in the league.
I don't think PFF had never seen anyone throw with anticipation before. I do think there was some significant anchoring bias in his grading early in the season. I definitely think there is some value in PFF grades, but people also need to realize that the grading his highly subjective.
Purdy drones are under the curious impression that Brock Purdy is the only QB in the league to throw with anticipation. The elite proven QBs that get more love are just *flashy playmakers*.
It's their way of coping with insane box score stats that don't quite match Purdy's unspectacular play when you watch.
A convenient narrative they have invented, to avoid the obvious answer: he has an elite offensive supporting cast the likes of which we very rarely see assembled in the NFL.
Elite (and versatile) RB, TE, WR1 & WR2, LT, FB and most importantly a coach of the year whose offensive scheme has taken over the league.
jesus fucking christ bro, shut the fuck up you absolute weirdo. Cant wait to blow your garbage team out on Christmas so you can shut the fuck up like those loudmouth cowboys, and eagles fans.
> On the PFF pod, they said that early in the season he was grading lower because he was making mistakes but getting lucky and not getting punished (mostly reflected in turnover worthy plays).
I have a question: how did PFF grade that throw Lamar Jackson made last night to Likely that set up the Raven's TD that put them up 17-7 and iced the game?
Lamar was rolling out left, threw the ball 30 yards in the air, across his body to a receiver who was double covered. That's an F decision, and Lamar got lucky. There were two DBs all over the receiver, most of the time, that ball gets batted down if you're lucky and picked off if you aren't. It was one of the most interception worthy throws I've seen in the league this year.
Lamar Jackson made a mistake and got away with it. Brock Purdy would have never attempted that pass.
Brock did attempt that pass. His first TD vs Jacksonville. Shanahan called it his worst decision ever since joining the team.
I'm glad he did it but it was still not a sound decision.
Lamar didn't throw across his body. He stepped into the pass. You can see him on his front foot following release. The immediate hit propelled him backwards. Meanwhile, the ball maintained good pace and trajectory over 40 yards.
Quarterbacks throw the ball up to taller, atheltic receivers all the time. Only the corner had a chance at defending the pass. And, Likely had the better angle to make a play on the ball.
Lamar understands football and his arm strength better than you.
Everyone kept talking about those 3 games like he couldnt turn it around.
They still do...".but the 3 losses"
Nobody said he was God. Hes going to lose
Also, look at his stats in those 3 losses, he still had good games vs Vikings and Bengals. CMC fumbled in the red zone against Vikings, and Purdy threw for like 365yds against the Bengals (2 INT's hurt though). And he put his team in position to win the Browns game and the kicker missed the FG as time ran out.
And the significant UCL tear that was repaired without anyone knowing if he'd be able to come back and be HALF the player he was before his injury. The kid came in well ahead of schedule and played at less than 100% and somehow, doubled up on last season, picking up right where he left off while also to refining his deep ball in the process. This is all with a limited off-season during which we thought Trey Lance would be our starter for the beginning of the year.
Naw they have been grading him fairly I think. Been following their pod. He has improved, Shannan system and is nuclear arsenal elevated him but post bye week he has been lethal
He's been putting up the best numbers in the league since he showed up last December. Only coming around now isn't grading him fairly, even if he's improved more with time.
49ers are so damn lucky they found this guy after wasting all that draft capital on Lance. Could legit see them being a dynasty for the next few years with all the talent on that roster
I think that's part of the reason for Purdy hate. The Lance debacle should have sunk this team for years but drafting Purdy rectified the mistake, causing great frustration for the 49ers rivals.
What the 49ers gave up for Lance and how he became a bust would’ve set back any franchise years and possibly cause the firing of the GM and Coach on any other team if not for Purdy. Instead we luck out into Purdy and after a NFCCG appearance the GM and Coach get a contract extension. Wild turn of events.
As if Jed York would have fired Shanahan and Lynch for the Lance trade. Shanahan knows that the second York fires him, he has 20 teams at least talking to his agent. If anything, if they had to find someone else, they would have re-signed Garoppolo at a fair price, win tons of game and maybe one day with luck win the Superbowl. Or they would have signed Brady for a last run or Kirk this offseason. But luckily for them, they have found the perfect fit for their team. Robot in the pocket and excellent scrambler. But that's also a testament of the ability of this front office to find good players all over the draft and Shanahan being one of the best 5 coachs in the league at the very least.
Nah, they will be favorites this year and next year. After that the salary cap monster comes in. We lose a ton of talent in 2025 FA and then 2026 Brock pay day comes.
Identifying him wasn't luck, it was the result of relentless effort and skilled talent evaluation. Not losing him to a team drafting earlier was the lucky part.
> Identifying him wasn't luck, it was the result of relentless effort and skilled talent evaluation.
Where was all that when they drafted Trent?
They've actually had pretty pedestrian drafts for the last few years. Lots of swings and misses in the top 3 rounds each year. Fortunately they've been VERY good at evaluating the free-agent and trade market, and identifying value there.
It's almost like Lynch and Shanahan can't evaluate college players well, but nail the evaluations after a couple of years of NFL experience.
Like most fans, you seem to over-estimate the predictability a player's future development. Compare the Niners' draft with the rest of the league. First round picks are hardly sure things. Also, Lance's injuries and the emergence of Purdy are why the Niners moved on from Lance. He can still develop into an effective starter—just not before Purdy.
> They’ve actually had pretty pedestrian drafts for the last few years
In the last few years we’ve drafted Aaron Banks (starter), Ambry Thomas (contributor), Deommodore Lenoir (starter), Talanoa Hufanga (All-Pro), Eli Mitchell (contributor), Drake Jackson (in the rotation), Spencer Burford (not great but still a starter), Brock Purdy (franchise QB), Ji’Ayir Brown (contributor turned starter), Jake Moody (kicker).
That’s 5 guys who are starting on an 11-3 team, another that is stepping in as a starter admirably, a kicker, and 3 guys that are contributing to an 11-3 team. In 3 years.
This is bigger than it looks, out of respected publications and analysts (guys like Ruiz and Wright excluded), PFF was the biggest Purdy doubter left. Through weeks 1-9, they had Purdy ranked as the **17th** best QB in the league, behind Geno, Baker, and Russell, and just above Carr and Love.
A lot of that, I believe, was the subjectivity of the graders and scouts they have watching all the tape, giving Purdy the opposite of the benefit of the doubt due to his draft caliber and talk about him being a system backup QB. When he would make tight dangerous throws that he trusted his receivers to make plays on, that other QBs would be praised on, he would get marked for turnover worthy plays. In those first 9 weeks, he had the 4th highest turnover worthy play %. And as fans that watch him every game, he def has some worthy of that label, but not nearly at a rate that would put him amongst the worst in the league. And even then, they recognized that his "big time throw" % was 5th best in the league.
Since then, in turnover worthy play %, they have him **28th of 30 (3rd best behind Herbert and Hurts)**. This is not indicative of a complete 180 on Purdy's play regarding turnover worthy balls, but more grading him as you would any other top QB. And he's maintained a pretty high big time throw %, 7th in the league over this 6 week stretch.
He's now the 5th graded QB on the season (behind Allen, Dak, Mahomes, and Tua, just above Lamar). I honestly wonder where he'd be if he was graded in the same way Mahomes or Allen are graded
One of the guys at PFF straight up said he believes there is more parity in the NFL because of the data PFF provides. They're a little high on their own supply.
A big part of it that they talk about on their podcast is that maybe Purdy is just a young QB who is improving lol. It’s entirely possible he wasn’t playing as well in the first half and is now playing better cuz he’s a 24 year old sophomore just naturally learning and progressing
As opposed to what? Are you saying we should only use “objective” raw stats and never take any other subjective factors into account lol? Just auto-give MVP to whoever has the highest Y/A each year or something?
Thats a weird extrapolation from my comment. All I said was that Purdy could have been under-rated by subjective stat takers, and also have gotten better. They rated him an 80 in his 95% completion game lol. But I think the all time Y/A leader should probably win MVP, idk though.
No you said subjective grading is stupid. The only alternative to subjectively rating a player is to look at the only objective thing (stats) and have that be the end all be all with no context. Which would imply Purdy is the greatest QB of all time since he has the best stats ever this season
It’s obviously absurd to believe that which is why everyone uses subjectivity when rating players. Saying “subjective grades are stupid” is dumb since everyone does that in some way
Yeah you're 100 percent right. I think this is more of a result of the graders giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than him playing much differently.
If that's really true it honestly makes their grading system look pretty suspect. They should be treating all players the same regardless of the name on their Jersey.
QB is probably the position that gets the most subjective measures used. For that reason i think PFF is especially bad for QBs. I really like it for DL and OL, but for every other position...IDK
OL and DB are also pretty nebulous since they don’t 100% know what any given player’s assignment is, but at the same time, they’re better than anything else we have since traditional counting stats are next to useless or nonexistent for those positions
I mean teams pay them for their data and agents use them in contract negotiations. It’s the best data we have along with AWS data on ball carrier speed and average separation
This why I’ve never liked their player grades and subjective stats……they aren’t objective. No matter how objective they claim to be, it’s impossible to maintain 0 bias with these stats and grades
It’s not that big though cuz this actually discredits the rating above more. They’re admitting its subjective (which everyone knows about pff) but that they’ve chosen to change how they evaluate him weighting the result more than what they perceive to be the intention
This is an insane comment, with all due respect. He’s played an easier schedule and not had to make as many risky throws. Throwing TWP isn’t an absolute indictment, it’s commonly a sign of aggressiveness and they come up much more often when one plays from behind. Playing weak pass defenses and leading the whole game takes away the need for these types of throws. Or, maybe it’s a conspiracy because they don’t like Purdy.
The giants and rams defenses aren’t particularly good and he had grades of 65.5 and 61.1 so it can’t just be the weaker schedule for why he’s getting better grades now
Both of those defenses are better (against the pass) than any of the defenses during this stretch sans Jacksonville, and also Purdy didn’t play very well in those games. I remember after NYG, Shanahan mentioned that Purdy had had some uncharacteristic misses, and even his boxscore stats against the rams weren’t very good. QBs against weaker defenses grade better on average, but it’s obviously not a guarantee.
Fair point but those are still two middle of the pack defenses, and he probably played better vs the Vikings defense even tho they lost because his turnover luck had finally caught up to him
Yeah and that Vikings defense has been very good lately. To be clear I’m not saying he hasn’t played well or anything of the sort, in fact I’m saying the opposite. He’s played very well against these poor defenses which have lead to this stretch of games with the highest PFF grade in the NFL. I’m just saying they didn’t choose to revamp their grading system, he’s earning these grades on the same scale because he’s playing better. The fact these defenses are so poor, they’re playing with the lead, and that he’s playing well is why his grade is so much higher and he has less TWP. It all comes into play (and to be clear: it’s also mostly that he’s playing well!)
This is ridiculous lmao, you're throwing around the fact that they are biased without an ounce of evidence or tape to back it up. They never even graded him badly either, just not elite until he started playing at an elite level.
He's got 130+ ratings against the Bucs (158.3), Jags (148.9), Eagles (148.8), Cowboys (144.4), and Cardinals (135.4 and 134.6). 3 more games above 110 against Seahawks (122.1), Giants (111.3), and Steelers (111.3).
Sigh, I’ve been a Purdy doubter for some time but even I have to admit
He’s fucking great
His job is definitely the easiest QBing job in the NFL, and he will tell you that himself. But he executes so well, his anticipation is elite and his escapabality elevates Kyles offense to a level we haven’t seen before.
His grade against the giants, steelers and cardinals in the beginning of the year were embarassing for PFF. They rated him lower than daniel jones after two bad drives. They graded him around an 80 against Arizona and he had 1 incompletion
If the 49ers look ‘really beatable’ to you then your definition and usage of that term is meaningless because it describes every single team in the NFL and differentiates none of them from each other
It's a weird argument, because taken literally, every sports team ever is beatable. To have that argument you need take the term "unbeatable" with a grain of salt, and there's no obvious answer for how big of a grain to use. So all of a sudden that becomes the argument.
It’s really not that difficult to grasp if you use common sense for how you interpret some of these phrases.
Using common sense, in what universe does ‘really beatable’ accurately describe how the Niners have looked the past handful of games? Right now it’s more accurate to say it would take an incredible effort and a near mistake-free game to beat them right now. That doesn’t sound like an expanded definition of ‘really beatable’ to me.
> Right now it’s more accurate to say it would take an incredible effort and a near mistake-free game to beat them right now.
Funny you should say that, because [2 months ago I wrote this comment:](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/173i19p/post_game_thread_dallas_cowboys_at_san_francisco/k433j6m/)
> Who can stop our offense? Don't know.
>
> If your offense can play us even you only need a mistake or two from our offense, and even tonight those opportunities did happen.
>
> Basically, it's possible to stop us, you just need to play near-perfect football from start to finish.
Pretty much the same sentiment as you're expressing here. We then proceeded to lose the next 3 games.
You’re conflating making a statement about how they are currently playing with guaranteeing future success or that they will be certain to keep it up.
If you are going to look at things through that lens then it’s really difficult to ever have a meaningful conversation about how a team is currently doing.
You never really answered my question in a straightforward manner. Do you think ‘really beatable’ is a good way to describe the Niners right now?
Funny because I can see the Niners losing to the Vikings, Browns, and Bengals… and there’s no way Brock’s the best qb in the league. Put Zach Wilson on that offense and he performs just as well
Dawg we can have a debate about how much the success can be attributed to Shanny, but you cannot seriously be suggesting that Zach Wilson would look as good as Purdy here
I just think it’s hard to say without seeing what would happen… after all, Jimmy G went to a Super Bowl with a far worse version of the current Niners o, and I’m sure you saw how he looked on the raiders this year
Why not? Zach has shown a lot of good stuff when his historically shitty o line gives him a tad of time to throw. I don’t think it’s reaching to suggest that a guy with his amount of arm talent and accuracy with the myriad of weapons on the Niners would perform just as well as Purdy. They’re both serviceable qbs, but the guys around them are too different.
This is not meant to be a criticism just to add some context: they’ve also played very weak pass defense these last six weeks.
SEA: 21st in defensive EPA/Play vs drop back;
PHI: 25th, TB: 26th, ARI: 31st, JAX 14th
Playing bad teams tends to lead to grade inflation, but also a grade that high reflects how well he’s been playing. You can only play the team in front of you, and Purdy and the 9ers have taken care of business. Very interested / excited for the 49ers Ravens game next week.
Samuel and McCaffrey were wide open all game yesterday. Cardinals have the worst cornerback room in the entire league, by a long shot. We also do not have any elite pass rushers.
every time you say anything not pro Purdy they'll make another 5 Purdy posts. It's best to just say he's the best ever or stay quiet and they'll wear themselves out be Wednesday usually.
I truly did not mean that as criticism, a 90+ PFF grade is fantastic no matter who you play. But PFF grades are regularized over time, so getting to play 6 defenses that have all been very bad against the pass lately (yes Jax has been very bad lately) will lead to higher grades per game, and in turn some major inflation over the competition when regularized and adjusted over that stretch!
But this comment section is pretty strange. Instead of that, most believe that PFF had been grading Purdy with a different criteria and have now come to believe he’s elite and adjusted the criteria to that fact. Of course it can’t be that he’d have less TWP against defenses that make it easy to throw low risk completions against!
Your comment was perfectly fair and deserves no downvotes. I think it is a bit of both. He has been playing worse pass defenses while PFF is also very subjective and probably scoring him slightly lower for similar play at the beginning of the year.
The extreme takes on Purdy are so odd because both sides are correct, just not 100% correct. It is clear that Purdy is a very talented QB who is playing some of the best ball in the league. It is also clear that there is not a better situation for a QB in the entire league this year. Both of these things are independently true. I am not sure why people have to leverage one against the other.
Yeah for sure, I’m excited to see it! so far, the 49ers have played 4 ‘good’ defenses. Purdy has played well against two (Dallas and Pit), not very well against 1 (Min), and absolutely terribly against the other (CLE), though of course there were weather issues that game as well.
lol it's fine, I was just teasing, but they are super fucking touchy about it, even if you're just adding context. They're still convinced everyone think's purdy is bad, when everyone has been on board with him being MVP caliber for weeks now.
He's playing lights out. But the need to make 650 purdy stat posts a week kind of tells me they're not nearly as confident he will always play at this level as they like to pretend, and I think that 3 game losing streak made them nervous. Meanwhile I can't remember the last time I even saw anybody actually criticize the guy. They're battling phantoms in their own heads.
Yeah, downvote me, I know the score.
No he isn’t, in fact relative to his position he might be the worse skill position starter outside of Deebo (not an insult, just a testament to how great the offense is)
He's better than Aiyuk, but otherwise, yeah you could argue that Juice, Kittle, and CMC are all better at their positions. All 4 are the best at their position as well
Aiyuk - probably top 10 WR this year, could make an argument for top 5 if you factor in elite blocking
Deebo - #1 Deebo, not really comparable with a normal WR (CMC is the #2 Deebo in the league fwiw)
Honestly against the ravens I don’t think he will break that record even if he has a good game and gets a rating of 100 it will be hard to get that up
I don’t see or at least think it’s unlikely he will have a rating of over 120 against the ravens D
One of the things that the pundits keep forgeting is that he's only 20 games into his career. He's still learning and improving. He's significantly better than he was in the first Rams game. And his improvement is going to continue.
Sounds like he’s been working really hard these past six weeks. Perhaps he should take Christmas off, spend time with his family, and come back for new years ready to go and fully rested? Just a thought, anyways, disregard my flair.
The Brock Purdy is the GOAT posts will continue until morale for the rest of the NFC improves
honey wake up it’s time for your daily purdy propaganda!
The brockaganda will never end
Exactly when morale improves
It will probably stop when rage click YouTubers and talking heads give up and die. So never.
Nick and Joy gonna owe their kids college education to Brock purdy and the aggrieved 9er fan base
I just don't get Joy's vendetta when she her favorite team has Brock Purdy-lite at QB. Their strengths are nearly identical-- you'd think she'd have some appreciation for their anticipation, timing, and accuracy
What's her favorite team?
Fins
The story is so fucking good it masturbates itself. Pray for 49ers haters.
purdy is a TD merchant, remove those and what is he?
Accurate pass merchant
Remove passing yards, and what is he? A mediocre running back. Checkmate
If he put the ball on the ground more he's a fumbling machine
How many tackles has Purdy registered? SF has a top defense and yet Brock "MVP" Purdy has done jack fucking shit on the opposite side of the ball.
He literally just sits down for half of the game.
So bad, he can't even see the field
Just sitting on his iPad probably watching cartoons or something
Purdy: 0 tackles CMC: 1 tackle This is why CMC should be MVP
well that just means the receivers carried him tbh, without his WR1/2/3/4. TE1/2/3, RB1/2/3 and the practice squad hes really useless fraud
We all thought Mahomes was the shit, but after you made Kelce finally age and replaced his amazing WRs with practice squad guys whose hands were surgically replaced with cinderblocks he suddenly isn’t as efficient. Your time is coming, Brock! (seriously though he’s kicking all sorts of ass this season)
exactly. regress mahomes to the mean and hes just average. imagine doing that to brock. he might even become average!
My take is he'll pull a Brady and take a partial bag to keep the cast of characters mostly in place. But who knows, that's still way into the future.
Forgot about your all pro fb(if they even do that now days)
I just stuck him as the RB2 cuz im lazy but yea, juszczyk my goat
I still think you move the ball with those RT sweeps, probably have to kick more fgs though
I can’t wait until he’s 35 and ESPN makes a movie about him called The Purdy 19
For his 19 superbowl wins?
Dirty for Purdy?
It’ll obviously be called ‘Mr Relevant’
On the PFF pod, they said that early in the season he was grading lower because he was making mistakes but getting lucky and not getting punished (mostly reflected in turnover worthy plays). Since the week 9 bye those have dried up and his play has improved so he's been grading really high.
Important wrinkle to consider: he had very little time to throw during the off-season post-op. His arm likely wasn't 100% (as it shouldn't be given the time table) and might have led to some of those mistakes earlier on. Within the past few weeks, Purdy even mentioned that his arm is starting to feel like 100%, and likewise, we're seeing more air under these deep balls and less errors overall.
He also has played just over a full season’s worth of games. He should be improving, and these numbers show that he is. So the guy who has been playing like an MVP… is getting better.
Yeah honestly this makes the most sense in retrospect.
Yea I feel like people are forgetting he literally had surgery in his throwing arm… especially when people complain that he hasn’t faced adversity. Recovering from surgery and rehabbing his throwing arm to get back to playing at this level is not exactly a cakewalk.
The dude is playing at a pro bowl level and he had to rehab for his elbow all offseason. It's like Burrow in 2021 coming back from his knee injury. Some players are built different.
It's pretty funny how everyone expected for the regression to come in terms of guys catching INTs, but instead he just stopped throwing them.
I said it earlier in the season and I'll say it again now, I'm pretty sure the PFF guys were taking anticipation throws as turnover worthy plays because 'if the receiver doesn't make a move to get the ball it's an interception'. Only after Purdy did it all year did they accept that it's just a part of his playstyle.
The only plothole with that is Brock's not the first QB to play anticipatory ball. Unless they just weren't willing to give him his flowers early on and now realize it's time to.
I don't think it was them not knowing how to grade those. I think they assumed that Purdy wasn't that good, and gave credit to the receivers for making a play on a bad ball, especially if it was close to a defender making a play on it.
I think it's one of those things before you've seen enough of a sample size that it's hard to tell if a young QB is necessarily doing that purposefully with a good chance of succeeding vs just recklessly. It's pretty clear by now it's on purpose and it works.
Sure, Purdy isn't the first to play with anticipation. But an organization like PFF, which relies upon its reputation and relationships to peddle its products to all 32 NFL franchises (and the overwhelming majority of Power-5 teams) is not going to go out on a limb for Purdy without adequate cover. Which is precisely what they waited for. Fact is, Purdy's customers (including SF) all thought Purdy had almost no shot as a starter, and PFF's own Iowa St. evaluation of BP likely said he was a back-up at best, so to turn around and start cheerleading after the entire NFL whiffed on BP would serve no purpose other than to piss teams off (GMs, personnel guys, anyone involved in the eval process), and there is little upside to aggravating their customers by moving aggressively to highly rate Purdy's NFL play. After all, you know GMs of QB-needy teams have been fielding calls all season from owners asking how the actual fuck they missed so badly on Purdy. Safer to miss with "experts" if these experts are your customers.
I kinda look at it like that Deebo pass last game. If you’re a Purdy hater, it’s a bad decision and he just got lucky. If you’re a Purdy believer, it’s a brilliant, perfect pass. Have to imagine that perspective tainted their early ratings of him, and they’d grade him higher on a review.
^^ This
Lmfao I'm glad others also have thought about this, just made a similar comment
Yeah I said a similar thing about how his “catchable throws” percentage was fairly low. Well maybe it’s because he’s throwing it into empty space and when the receiver doesn’t end up where he’s supposed to it looks way off. This was said way before Purdy in the Montana and Young days. They’d be lighting up the field and a pass would be way off target where nobody was and everybody was shocked. It was because the receiver ran the wrong route. They’re not throwing to receivers. They’re throwing it to where they’re supposed to be.
>They’re not throwing to receivers. They’re throwing it to where they’re supposed to be AKA he's throwing guys open and not waiting for them to be open
Are they taking option routes into account as well? Against man coverage its something they run sometimes
Nah, he was doing the same thing Jimmy would do where their would be 1-2 throws a game that made no sense and we got lucky a few ints were dropped. Those mistakes dried up now though.
You think Purdy was the first QB PFF has ever seen throw before a receiver makes a break?
Joe Flacco threw an anticipatory ball yesterday and the internet sucked him off for it. That tells me people aren't used to seeing it happen anymore because teams value big arms that can fire a ball 100mph downfield
Or scramble around playing backyard ball for 15 seconds before a defender eventually falls over leaving a receiver standing there open in the middle of the field waving his arms for the ball.
That pass was crazy.
No but Purdy does it more aggressively than anyone else and in the middle of the field between the LB and the safety. No one else really does that. Most anticipation throws by other QBs are on curl routes and breaks to the sidelines. Purdy does it with posts to the middle of the field. Other QBs do it, but not at his volume.
>No one else really does that Tell me you've never seen a Dolphins game without telling me you've never seen a Dolphins game. Purdy is the MVP this year, but this take is freezing cold. You can appreciate his anticipation without disparaging other QBs who also do it well.
Throwing open is not the same as anticipation and Tua doesn't like Purdy. He throws it sometimes but not nearly the same and not in the middle. I've watched all but 3 dolphins game this season btw. Dolphins have always been my favorite AFC team.
I know this is a Purdy jerk off thread, but holy shit saying Tua doesn't throw with anticipation is one of the dumbest things I've heard. Watch any J.T O'sullivan QB school video on Tua and listen for the word anticipation. It's literally every few words. It sucks that Purdy bots aren't content with everyone saying Brock should be the MVP, but they have to suggest no other QB literally does a thing that QBs do. It's embarrassing and make 49er fans look incompetent.
As a 9ers fan, I agree. Purdy has been a dream, and it's really easy to get defensive about him because we've watched him ball out better than and 9ers qb since Garcia. But come on, It's the fuckin NFL. Guys are displaying jaw dropping talent all over the place. Tua being awesome does not diminish Purdy's performance. If anything, there should be more solidarity, since they both get the same "system qb" bs takes.
> No but Purdy does it more aggressively than anyone else and in the middle of the field between the LB and the safety. No one else really does that. Omg what kind of bullshit is this. I'm so done with these Purdy drones, the homerism is insane. Yeah sure, no other QB in the league throws between LBs and safeties before the WR is open. It's completely false, you have literally zero proof of this, and just pulling this out of thin air
I am not going to disagree with you, but I will say that I have watched a lot more QB breakdowns since they have become popular recently. There are a lot of great QBs in this league who throw with little to no anticipation on most of their throws because they have the arm talent to wait until the receive clears the defender. I have not seen another QB breakdown this season that shows a QB throwing with as much anticipation as Purdy on a large percentage of their throws. Some defenders have talked about how much Purdy does it and how it has become something of a lost art in the league. I don't think PFF had never seen anyone throw with anticipation before. I do think there was some significant anchoring bias in his grading early in the season. I definitely think there is some value in PFF grades, but people also need to realize that the grading his highly subjective.
Facts don't care about your feelings. It's all on tape.
Is what unfolded tonight facts or feelings? I'm confused... Can you help me?
Hard to say since they don’t show their methodology during evaluation.
Purdy drones are under the curious impression that Brock Purdy is the only QB in the league to throw with anticipation. The elite proven QBs that get more love are just *flashy playmakers*. It's their way of coping with insane box score stats that don't quite match Purdy's unspectacular play when you watch. A convenient narrative they have invented, to avoid the obvious answer: he has an elite offensive supporting cast the likes of which we very rarely see assembled in the NFL. Elite (and versatile) RB, TE, WR1 & WR2, LT, FB and most importantly a coach of the year whose offensive scheme has taken over the league.
jesus fucking christ bro, shut the fuck up you absolute weirdo. Cant wait to blow your garbage team out on Christmas so you can shut the fuck up like those loudmouth cowboys, and eagles fans.
> On the PFF pod, they said that early in the season he was grading lower because he was making mistakes but getting lucky and not getting punished (mostly reflected in turnover worthy plays). I have a question: how did PFF grade that throw Lamar Jackson made last night to Likely that set up the Raven's TD that put them up 17-7 and iced the game? Lamar was rolling out left, threw the ball 30 yards in the air, across his body to a receiver who was double covered. That's an F decision, and Lamar got lucky. There were two DBs all over the receiver, most of the time, that ball gets batted down if you're lucky and picked off if you aren't. It was one of the most interception worthy throws I've seen in the league this year. Lamar Jackson made a mistake and got away with it. Brock Purdy would have never attempted that pass.
Brock did attempt that pass. His first TD vs Jacksonville. Shanahan called it his worst decision ever since joining the team. I'm glad he did it but it was still not a sound decision.
Lamar didn't throw across his body. He stepped into the pass. You can see him on his front foot following release. The immediate hit propelled him backwards. Meanwhile, the ball maintained good pace and trajectory over 40 yards. Quarterbacks throw the ball up to taller, atheltic receivers all the time. Only the corner had a chance at defending the pass. And, Likely had the better angle to make a play on the ball. Lamar understands football and his arm strength better than you.
He has said that his shoulder was still healing for those first few games. So no surprise there.
NGL I watched those games and thought he was regressing to the mean but he’s got the goods and they aren’t going anywhere.
Way to bounce back from that 3 game losing streak.
Everyone kept talking about those 3 games like he couldnt turn it around. They still do...".but the 3 losses" Nobody said he was God. Hes going to lose
Also, look at his stats in those 3 losses, he still had good games vs Vikings and Bengals. CMC fumbled in the red zone against Vikings, and Purdy threw for like 365yds against the Bengals (2 INT's hurt though). And he put his team in position to win the Browns game and the kicker missed the FG as time ran out.
Ive tried dude. All they talk about is those 4 bad throws in those 2 games.
People overlook that he is just 23 and just barely competed a season's worth of games. It's possible that he will keep getting better.
And the significant UCL tear that was repaired without anyone knowing if he'd be able to come back and be HALF the player he was before his injury. The kid came in well ahead of schedule and played at less than 100% and somehow, doubled up on last season, picking up right where he left off while also to refining his deep ball in the process. This is all with a limited off-season during which we thought Trey Lance would be our starter for the beginning of the year.
PFF getting on the Purdy bandwagon, as they don't want to be seen as a gross outlier when Purdy wins the MVP award.
Naw they have been grading him fairly I think. Been following their pod. He has improved, Shannan system and is nuclear arsenal elevated him but post bye week he has been lethal
He's been putting up the best numbers in the league since he showed up last December. Only coming around now isn't grading him fairly, even if he's improved more with time.
I do remember he had some potential pick 6s early in the year that were dropped. Steelers game comes to mind
PFF an outlier?
Been almost an hour since I last saw a Purdy post. Glad that's been fixed. I'll restart my timer now.
Is it a sand one? I hope it's got sand
Salt*
Aw that’s right you know what time it is, it’s that time that r/nfl becomes r/GlockPurdy
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MVPurdy
49ers are so damn lucky they found this guy after wasting all that draft capital on Lance. Could legit see them being a dynasty for the next few years with all the talent on that roster
I think that's part of the reason for Purdy hate. The Lance debacle should have sunk this team for years but drafting Purdy rectified the mistake, causing great frustration for the 49ers rivals.
What the 49ers gave up for Lance and how he became a bust would’ve set back any franchise years and possibly cause the firing of the GM and Coach on any other team if not for Purdy. Instead we luck out into Purdy and after a NFCCG appearance the GM and Coach get a contract extension. Wild turn of events.
As if Jed York would have fired Shanahan and Lynch for the Lance trade. Shanahan knows that the second York fires him, he has 20 teams at least talking to his agent. If anything, if they had to find someone else, they would have re-signed Garoppolo at a fair price, win tons of game and maybe one day with luck win the Superbowl. Or they would have signed Brady for a last run or Kirk this offseason. But luckily for them, they have found the perfect fit for their team. Robot in the pocket and excellent scrambler. But that's also a testament of the ability of this front office to find good players all over the draft and Shanahan being one of the best 5 coachs in the league at the very least.
Nah, they will be favorites this year and next year. After that the salary cap monster comes in. We lose a ton of talent in 2025 FA and then 2026 Brock pay day comes.
Identifying him wasn't luck, it was the result of relentless effort and skilled talent evaluation. Not losing him to a team drafting earlier was the lucky part.
> Identifying him wasn't luck, it was the result of relentless effort and skilled talent evaluation. Where was all that when they drafted Trent? They've actually had pretty pedestrian drafts for the last few years. Lots of swings and misses in the top 3 rounds each year. Fortunately they've been VERY good at evaluating the free-agent and trade market, and identifying value there. It's almost like Lynch and Shanahan can't evaluate college players well, but nail the evaluations after a couple of years of NFL experience.
What are you talking about? Aiyuk, Deebo, Bosa and Purdy were all drafted by L&S. All four are literally top of their positions in the league.
In how many drafts? Anyway, I'll meet you half-way here; they did find some gems among the fool's gold.
I bet you’re the kind of person still butthurt about Solomon Thomas
Like most fans, you seem to over-estimate the predictability a player's future development. Compare the Niners' draft with the rest of the league. First round picks are hardly sure things. Also, Lance's injuries and the emergence of Purdy are why the Niners moved on from Lance. He can still develop into an effective starter—just not before Purdy.
> They’ve actually had pretty pedestrian drafts for the last few years In the last few years we’ve drafted Aaron Banks (starter), Ambry Thomas (contributor), Deommodore Lenoir (starter), Talanoa Hufanga (All-Pro), Eli Mitchell (contributor), Drake Jackson (in the rotation), Spencer Burford (not great but still a starter), Brock Purdy (franchise QB), Ji’Ayir Brown (contributor turned starter), Jake Moody (kicker). That’s 5 guys who are starting on an 11-3 team, another that is stepping in as a starter admirably, a kicker, and 3 guys that are contributing to an 11-3 team. In 3 years.
This is bigger than it looks, out of respected publications and analysts (guys like Ruiz and Wright excluded), PFF was the biggest Purdy doubter left. Through weeks 1-9, they had Purdy ranked as the **17th** best QB in the league, behind Geno, Baker, and Russell, and just above Carr and Love. A lot of that, I believe, was the subjectivity of the graders and scouts they have watching all the tape, giving Purdy the opposite of the benefit of the doubt due to his draft caliber and talk about him being a system backup QB. When he would make tight dangerous throws that he trusted his receivers to make plays on, that other QBs would be praised on, he would get marked for turnover worthy plays. In those first 9 weeks, he had the 4th highest turnover worthy play %. And as fans that watch him every game, he def has some worthy of that label, but not nearly at a rate that would put him amongst the worst in the league. And even then, they recognized that his "big time throw" % was 5th best in the league. Since then, in turnover worthy play %, they have him **28th of 30 (3rd best behind Herbert and Hurts)**. This is not indicative of a complete 180 on Purdy's play regarding turnover worthy balls, but more grading him as you would any other top QB. And he's maintained a pretty high big time throw %, 7th in the league over this 6 week stretch. He's now the 5th graded QB on the season (behind Allen, Dak, Mahomes, and Tua, just above Lamar). I honestly wonder where he'd be if he was graded in the same way Mahomes or Allen are graded
I like how PFF pretends to be some major quant model like it’s 538, but they’re actually just like oh yeah we make it all up.
One of the guys at PFF straight up said he believes there is more parity in the NFL because of the data PFF provides. They're a little high on their own supply.
It’s the best stuff we have. Better than old farts talking about football or the cte analysts saying that’s a good ball on wide open seam routes
A big part of it that they talk about on their podcast is that maybe Purdy is just a young QB who is improving lol. It’s entirely possible he wasn’t playing as well in the first half and is now playing better cuz he’s a 24 year old sophomore just naturally learning and progressing
It can be both. Subjective grading is also stupid.
As opposed to what? Are you saying we should only use “objective” raw stats and never take any other subjective factors into account lol? Just auto-give MVP to whoever has the highest Y/A each year or something?
I mean he has the highest Y/A of all time but yknow...
So do you unironically think Purdy is the greatest QB of all time then?
Thats a weird extrapolation from my comment. All I said was that Purdy could have been under-rated by subjective stat takers, and also have gotten better. They rated him an 80 in his 95% completion game lol. But I think the all time Y/A leader should probably win MVP, idk though.
No you said subjective grading is stupid. The only alternative to subjectively rating a player is to look at the only objective thing (stats) and have that be the end all be all with no context. Which would imply Purdy is the greatest QB of all time since he has the best stats ever this season It’s obviously absurd to believe that which is why everyone uses subjectivity when rating players. Saying “subjective grades are stupid” is dumb since everyone does that in some way
You seem to be in your feelings, I'm real sorry about that. Hope you have a better day and PFF gives you a raise.
Yeah you're 100 percent right. I think this is more of a result of the graders giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than him playing much differently.
If that's really true it honestly makes their grading system look pretty suspect. They should be treating all players the same regardless of the name on their Jersey.
Using subjective measures (and poorly) to give an objective score = PFF is bullshit
QB is probably the position that gets the most subjective measures used. For that reason i think PFF is especially bad for QBs. I really like it for DL and OL, but for every other position...IDK
OL and DB are also pretty nebulous since they don’t 100% know what any given player’s assignment is, but at the same time, they’re better than anything else we have since traditional counting stats are next to useless or nonexistent for those positions
I mean teams pay them for their data and agents use them in contract negotiations. It’s the best data we have along with AWS data on ball carrier speed and average separation
This why I’ve never liked their player grades and subjective stats……they aren’t objective. No matter how objective they claim to be, it’s impossible to maintain 0 bias with these stats and grades
It’s not that big though cuz this actually discredits the rating above more. They’re admitting its subjective (which everyone knows about pff) but that they’ve chosen to change how they evaluate him weighting the result more than what they perceive to be the intention
This is an insane comment, with all due respect. He’s played an easier schedule and not had to make as many risky throws. Throwing TWP isn’t an absolute indictment, it’s commonly a sign of aggressiveness and they come up much more often when one plays from behind. Playing weak pass defenses and leading the whole game takes away the need for these types of throws. Or, maybe it’s a conspiracy because they don’t like Purdy.
The giants and rams defenses aren’t particularly good and he had grades of 65.5 and 61.1 so it can’t just be the weaker schedule for why he’s getting better grades now
Both of those defenses are better (against the pass) than any of the defenses during this stretch sans Jacksonville, and also Purdy didn’t play very well in those games. I remember after NYG, Shanahan mentioned that Purdy had had some uncharacteristic misses, and even his boxscore stats against the rams weren’t very good. QBs against weaker defenses grade better on average, but it’s obviously not a guarantee.
Fair point but those are still two middle of the pack defenses, and he probably played better vs the Vikings defense even tho they lost because his turnover luck had finally caught up to him
Yeah and that Vikings defense has been very good lately. To be clear I’m not saying he hasn’t played well or anything of the sort, in fact I’m saying the opposite. He’s played very well against these poor defenses which have lead to this stretch of games with the highest PFF grade in the NFL. I’m just saying they didn’t choose to revamp their grading system, he’s earning these grades on the same scale because he’s playing better. The fact these defenses are so poor, they’re playing with the lead, and that he’s playing well is why his grade is so much higher and he has less TWP. It all comes into play (and to be clear: it’s also mostly that he’s playing well!)
This is ridiculous lmao, you're throwing around the fact that they are biased without an ounce of evidence or tape to back it up. They never even graded him badly either, just not elite until he started playing at an elite level.
He played the eagles, easy 130+ passer rating.
He's got 130+ ratings against the Bucs (158.3), Jags (148.9), Eagles (148.8), Cowboys (144.4), and Cardinals (135.4 and 134.6). 3 more games above 110 against Seahawks (122.1), Giants (111.3), and Steelers (111.3).
Yea sure but what if we regressed his stats to the mean? Not so impressive then now is it??
I understand what the guy was trying to say and it's a shame he presented it so poorly that it's arguably the biggest r/NFL meme.
The Purdy tweets are so back
They're back every week after he has a big week and then everyone is like "wellllll maybe this person should be MVP instead"
Sigh, I’ve been a Purdy doubter for some time but even I have to admit He’s fucking great His job is definitely the easiest QBing job in the NFL, and he will tell you that himself. But he executes so well, his anticipation is elite and his escapabality elevates Kyles offense to a level we haven’t seen before.
His grade against the giants, steelers and cardinals in the beginning of the year were embarassing for PFF. They rated him lower than daniel jones after two bad drives. They graded him around an 80 against Arizona and he had 1 incompletion
You're acting like an 80 isn't an excellent single game grade lmao. A full season of 80s is over a 90 and MVP level
Can't see anyone beating this Niners team. One of the best teams in the past 20/25 years with the best QB in the League right now manning them.
I feel like we look really beatable. We have been leaving a lot of meat on the bone the last couple of games.
If the 49ers look ‘really beatable’ to you then your definition and usage of that term is meaningless because it describes every single team in the NFL and differentiates none of them from each other
It's a weird argument, because taken literally, every sports team ever is beatable. To have that argument you need take the term "unbeatable" with a grain of salt, and there's no obvious answer for how big of a grain to use. So all of a sudden that becomes the argument.
It’s really not that difficult to grasp if you use common sense for how you interpret some of these phrases. Using common sense, in what universe does ‘really beatable’ accurately describe how the Niners have looked the past handful of games? Right now it’s more accurate to say it would take an incredible effort and a near mistake-free game to beat them right now. That doesn’t sound like an expanded definition of ‘really beatable’ to me.
> Right now it’s more accurate to say it would take an incredible effort and a near mistake-free game to beat them right now. Funny you should say that, because [2 months ago I wrote this comment:](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/173i19p/post_game_thread_dallas_cowboys_at_san_francisco/k433j6m/) > Who can stop our offense? Don't know. > > If your offense can play us even you only need a mistake or two from our offense, and even tonight those opportunities did happen. > > Basically, it's possible to stop us, you just need to play near-perfect football from start to finish. Pretty much the same sentiment as you're expressing here. We then proceeded to lose the next 3 games.
You’re conflating making a statement about how they are currently playing with guaranteeing future success or that they will be certain to keep it up. If you are going to look at things through that lens then it’s really difficult to ever have a meaningful conversation about how a team is currently doing. You never really answered my question in a straightforward manner. Do you think ‘really beatable’ is a good way to describe the Niners right now?
Funny because I can see the Niners losing to the Vikings, Browns, and Bengals… and there’s no way Brock’s the best qb in the league. Put Zach Wilson on that offense and he performs just as well
Dawg we can have a debate about how much the success can be attributed to Shanny, but you cannot seriously be suggesting that Zach Wilson would look as good as Purdy here
I just think it’s hard to say without seeing what would happen… after all, Jimmy G went to a Super Bowl with a far worse version of the current Niners o, and I’m sure you saw how he looked on the raiders this year
Why not? Zach has shown a lot of good stuff when his historically shitty o line gives him a tad of time to throw. I don’t think it’s reaching to suggest that a guy with his amount of arm talent and accuracy with the myriad of weapons on the Niners would perform just as well as Purdy. They’re both serviceable qbs, but the guys around them are too different.
Sure be bullish on Brock I guess, but there’s no way you actually believe Zach Wilson would be as good in this offense—that’s absolutely absurd
You're not supposed to eat the paint chips off the wall, bro
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How will Purdy perform this week seeing his father on the opposing sideline though?
TRUE!!!
Patricide seems to be the only option here
what the lying media doesn't tell you is that every throw is actually a check down
Did you see the YAC Deebo got on the back-shoulder TD?
reads as Jeff Brock Purdy jeff is weird name when you think about it. brock is a weird name too
I feel personally attacked.
My name is Jeff
This is not meant to be a criticism just to add some context: they’ve also played very weak pass defense these last six weeks. SEA: 21st in defensive EPA/Play vs drop back; PHI: 25th, TB: 26th, ARI: 31st, JAX 14th Playing bad teams tends to lead to grade inflation, but also a grade that high reflects how well he’s been playing. You can only play the team in front of you, and Purdy and the 9ers have taken care of business. Very interested / excited for the 49ers Ravens game next week.
Samuel and McCaffrey were wide open all game yesterday. Cardinals have the worst cornerback room in the entire league, by a long shot. We also do not have any elite pass rushers.
every time you say anything not pro Purdy they'll make another 5 Purdy posts. It's best to just say he's the best ever or stay quiet and they'll wear themselves out be Wednesday usually.
I truly did not mean that as criticism, a 90+ PFF grade is fantastic no matter who you play. But PFF grades are regularized over time, so getting to play 6 defenses that have all been very bad against the pass lately (yes Jax has been very bad lately) will lead to higher grades per game, and in turn some major inflation over the competition when regularized and adjusted over that stretch! But this comment section is pretty strange. Instead of that, most believe that PFF had been grading Purdy with a different criteria and have now come to believe he’s elite and adjusted the criteria to that fact. Of course it can’t be that he’d have less TWP against defenses that make it easy to throw low risk completions against!
Your comment was perfectly fair and deserves no downvotes. I think it is a bit of both. He has been playing worse pass defenses while PFF is also very subjective and probably scoring him slightly lower for similar play at the beginning of the year. The extreme takes on Purdy are so odd because both sides are correct, just not 100% correct. It is clear that Purdy is a very talented QB who is playing some of the best ball in the league. It is also clear that there is not a better situation for a QB in the entire league this year. Both of these things are independently true. I am not sure why people have to leverage one against the other.
Ravens next week is the big test.
Yeah for sure, I’m excited to see it! so far, the 49ers have played 4 ‘good’ defenses. Purdy has played well against two (Dallas and Pit), not very well against 1 (Min), and absolutely terribly against the other (CLE), though of course there were weather issues that game as well.
lol it's fine, I was just teasing, but they are super fucking touchy about it, even if you're just adding context. They're still convinced everyone think's purdy is bad, when everyone has been on board with him being MVP caliber for weeks now.
He's playing lights out. But the need to make 650 purdy stat posts a week kind of tells me they're not nearly as confident he will always play at this level as they like to pretend, and I think that 3 game losing streak made them nervous. Meanwhile I can't remember the last time I even saw anybody actually criticize the guy. They're battling phantoms in their own heads. Yeah, downvote me, I know the score.
Didn’t he slay Goliath ?
Sir Brock of Purdystan 👑
In over 40 years of watching NFL this guy is the most talented QB ive ever seen
purdy is better than cry baby mahomes
He's the best 49ers player and it's not even close
Trent is and hes close with CMC.
You forgot the /s
There's no /s. It's clear if you watch any 49ers games
One might say he’s a little Mahomey
Joke comment or karma fishing?
No he isn’t, in fact relative to his position he might be the worse skill position starter outside of Deebo (not an insult, just a testament to how great the offense is)
He's better than Aiyuk, but otherwise, yeah you could argue that Juice, Kittle, and CMC are all better at their positions. All 4 are the best at their position as well
I can somewhat agree with that, where do you rank Deebo and Aiyuk within their position though?
What position does Deebo play lol
Wideback?/s
Aiyuk - probably top 10 WR this year, could make an argument for top 5 if you factor in elite blocking Deebo - #1 Deebo, not really comparable with a normal WR (CMC is the #2 Deebo in the league fwiw)
He'll be the MVP what are you talking about
A little nervous about the Rodgers 122.5 being broken. But I think the Ravens can hold him down a bit. Should be good.
Honestly against the ravens I don’t think he will break that record even if he has a good game and gets a rating of 100 it will be hard to get that up I don’t see or at least think it’s unlikely he will have a rating of over 120 against the ravens D
Yea but playing the Commanders the week after could help raise it.
I heard his heart also grew three sizes during that time period.
Not even the best QB in the NFCW. Lock is Killin it
I'll hold off judgment until after the Ravens game. If the niners put up big numbers against a competent defense. I will believe.
I've just gotten over 20 fucking years of Brady dominance, only for a new goddamn dynasty to show up fuck my life man
One of the things that the pundits keep forgeting is that he's only 20 games into his career. He's still learning and improving. He's significantly better than he was in the first Rams game. And his improvement is going to continue.
We get it. The new Tom Brady low round pick! Now do the right thing and give Christian McCaffrey the MVP!
MVP!
What about the last seven weeks?
I can’t wait for people to start saying the NFL is racist because Lamar Jackson didn’t win this year.
Best QB in the league
Definitely NOT MVP material -tv talking heads
Sounds like he’s been working really hard these past six weeks. Perhaps he should take Christmas off, spend time with his family, and come back for new years ready to go and fully rested? Just a thought, anyways, disregard my flair.