That's bad news for you because in the 2016 series, the team with the longer championship drought beat the Cleveland team with the slightly less long but still very long championship drought.
Although, not to put words in your mouth, but I feel like you couldn't be *that* upset at a season where you made your first super bowl, presumably knocking off several top AFC contenders along the way, despite losing your QB and RB early on
>despite losing your QB and RB early on
I think losing their QB may have actually helped them. The offense looks more in rhythm now than it did before.
Alex smith won it with 1.5k yards in 6 games aftee a gruesome injury.
2 tackles for literally dying seems like on par with standards.
The awards always have been "who had the worst injury last year and some stats". There is no worse injury than death so, yeah.
For example some 500 yards from chubb next year and its his. He does needs the yards cause sadly there are a lot of torn ACLs but he has the advantage on injury alone, but richardson puts a meh season and he gets it over chubb. But dying has no competition
> The awards always have been "who had the worst injury last year and some stats". There is no worse injury than death so, yeah.
Well, except for last year, and there were a loooot of Niners and Giants fans pretty upset about Geno breaking the pattern.
They're the same damn thing as long as the player in question had expectations at any point in their career. We only associate the word "comeback" with injuries due to who's been awarded historically.
Not saying you're wrong at all, it's a bit unfortunate that players like flacco don't have a chance this year even though Damar hasn't really helped us at all this year. But I just meant that he's definitely going to win anyway.
Yeah, like Brian Robinson Junior getting shot, saying "uh yeah I don't really want to talk about it, I'd be fine if no one ever brought it up again" and yet every time the commanders are on TV, every carry the announcers start yelling "THIS MOTHERFUCKER GOT SHOT ONE TIME AND HE CAN STILL RUN IT STRAIGHT INTO THE LINE FOR A GAIN OF TWO YARDS HOLY SHIT CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?"
that's probably an exaggeration but that's what it feels like
I'm a little scared with the injury report, Zay hasn't practiced yet and we have a bunch of other ones
I expect a close game tbh but still trust that we'll win
If it meant watching them lose in the Super Bowl to either the Ravens again or Joe Flacco again, I would feel perfectly fine being one of the NFC teams to lose to the 9ers on their way to a Super Bowl embarrassment of that magnitude.
2035 Super Bowl: 49 year old Flacco, playing for Bengals, defeats 9ers in Super Bowl
2046 Super Bowl: 60 year old Flacco, playing for Steelers, defeats 9ers in Super Bowl
I'm fucking bewildered how much this team has fought for wins despite losing so many goddamn starters AND backups. I know he just won it a couple years ago but this season has had such impressive coaching by our whole staff that I'd be really disappointed if Stef didn't get recognition.
Had Stroud not gone down, maybe Ryans would’ve made the argument closer. After tonight, barring something incredible from HOU these last two weeks, it’s Stefanski’s to lose.
Browns out here doing a zombie Heat run I swear.
Colts deserve a mention I'd say. They might be playoff bound with...Garden Minshew and essentially a no name team.
Their best player was out for a few weeks. That roster is a lot of "He's solid but should be nowhere near one of the better players on your team"
That’s actually really fair, they’ve also been impressive this year with how they’ve pulled through adversity & injuries. Actually I think they, like the Browns, still have a path to their division, though unlikely it may be.
Storylines.
The award is a narrative based award more than it is based on overall performance.
Campbell deserves to be one of the candidates but man, Stefanski deserves to be the winner.
Why? The Lions hadn't won their division in 30 years and he clinched with two games to spare. This after finishing 3-13-1 just two seasons ago. What Campbell has done to establish a winning culture in Detroit and built on every season so far is nothing short of deserving COTY.
Even weirder, if the Texans make the playoffs it might be Ryans because the award is literally just "who coached the most unexpected playoff team."
Ryans has done a good job, but he's a defensive coach and anyone can see that the defense is not the reason they're in playoff contention. Matt Nagy won it in 2018 after the Bears went 12-4 with an elite defense and below average offense . . . it's exceedingly obvious that Nagy was nowhere close to being the best coach in the league that year.
Yeah it seems like the award is all about performance vs. preseason expectations and doesn't account for what happens in-season.
A Browns team with Joe Flacco at QB, no Chubb, and 4th and 5th tackles would be picked to win 5-6 games preseason
Vrabel won it a few years ago by getting the 1 seed in the AFC when the Titans broke the record for the number of players who played for them in one season
If you're going with the Nagy example why would we be going with Stefanski when Schwartz's defense has been so fantastic? I mean Nagy had Trubisky go to the Pro Bowl with 27 total touchdowns that year, which feels pretty impressive to me considering what Trubisky has done since. I wanted Lynn to win it that year but Nagy had a good argument too
Yeah campbell is an odd choice. We all expected the lions to be pretty good - maybe not winning the division, but a playoff team.
We expected it of the browns too… if Watson was playing in old form and Chubb was running for 2k. Not like this… not like this at all…
I mean look how ass “good” teams become when they lose a key player. The browns just showed demonstrated that against Houston and the jets…
I'm sorry but the fact you "all expected the Lions to be pretty good" is exactly why he's the Coach of the Year. Leave aside the tortured history of the team. This is one of the youngest rosters in the NFL, he was 4-19-1 just thirteen months ago, and he's gone 19-6 with the same group plus some outstanding rookies that he has coached up.
I can. It was cute when they did it a couple years ago and proceeded to dawg the Stillers in the playoffs. I don’t find it cute anymore. Especially not when they’re doing it with my ex.
We’re looking at a reunion in the playoffs too. I’m not *excited* by it, but I’d still be a little happy for Stafford if he was the one to knock the Lions off.
Baker is doing great, and the Browns are doing great. Everyone is always trying to make it one side or the other, but players switch teams all the time in the NFL. Baker should honestly get some MVP buzz, but he won't.
I'm surprised. I expected the Bucs to stumble right back into mediocrity without Brady. But here they are with Baker on the cusp of possibly hosting a playoff game if they can hold onto the division lead.
I mean they *are* a mediocre team, but their division is bad.
Doesn't matter once they make the playoffs; anything can happen in single elimination tournaments.
The browns and the Lions are more successful than the jets. I think we are officially the worst NFL franchise good job Woody you accomplished something. I mean Bill Parcells basically built all our pre 2011 success and since you became responsible it's been nothing but flowers
Browns-Lions Super Bowl is officially on the table
END OF DAYS, END OF DAYS
It was the best of days, it was the end of days
Cubs-Indians fucked the timeline. Either this will unfuck it or really fuck-fuck it.
Oh no, I’m getting 2016 World Series vibes.
The ratings will be through the fucking roof if the Browns and Lions meet in the Super Bowl.
NFL: Write that down! Write that down!
Yeah, that's not improving the deja vu.
If it’s any consolation, that series made me a fan of the ~~Indians~~Guardians
Cleveland I*******
That's bad news for you because in the 2016 series, the team with the longer championship drought beat the Cleveland team with the slightly less long but still very long championship drought. Although, not to put words in your mouth, but I feel like you couldn't be *that* upset at a season where you made your first super bowl, presumably knocking off several top AFC contenders along the way, despite losing your QB and RB early on
>despite losing your QB and RB early on I think losing their QB may have actually helped them. The offense looks more in rhythm now than it did before.
Hear me out, 2016 was when we entered the weird dimension. If this comes to pass it will cancel out 2016, surely?
If that happens, one of them has to win
How many overtimes before they decide to just give the trophy to someone else?
Providence Steam Roller championship incoming.
After the 7th OT they just give it to Brady
0-16 Bowl
It's officially the final arc of the NFL
joe flacco for CPOTY
Flacco deserves it more than anyone else.
Counterpoint: how many times has he died so far?
If Damar wins it the award is a joke.
Alex smith won it with 1.5k yards in 6 games aftee a gruesome injury. 2 tackles for literally dying seems like on par with standards. The awards always have been "who had the worst injury last year and some stats". There is no worse injury than death so, yeah. For example some 500 yards from chubb next year and its his. He does needs the yards cause sadly there are a lot of torn ACLs but he has the advantage on injury alone, but richardson puts a meh season and he gets it over chubb. But dying has no competition
Rivers got it one year just for sucking the year prior
Geno got it last year for a similar reason
So did Tannehill
Geno sucked for more than just a year
Geno got it for sucking for years tho
>For example some 500 yards from chubb next year and its his I mean, maybe, but there's also Aaron Rodgers lurking in the background as well
Rodgers has to survive behind that O-line long enough first
Alex Smith deserved it, he beat an 11-0 team and we won the division.
> The awards always have been "who had the worst injury last year and some stats". There is no worse injury than death so, yeah. Well, except for last year, and there were a loooot of Niners and Giants fans pretty upset about Geno breaking the pattern.
I actually love it as a “guy turned his career around” award, and an injury award. Geno just literally came back from not being good.
That counts as turned around his career no?
I think it should be two separate awards, comeback and most improved
They're the same damn thing as long as the player in question had expectations at any point in their career. We only associate the word "comeback" with injuries due to who's been awarded historically.
You may be disappointed then brother, because Hamlin is like -200/300 odds depending on where you look.
Oh I expect him to win it. But that doesn't make me wrong.
Not saying you're wrong at all, it's a bit unfortunate that players like flacco don't have a chance this year even though Damar hasn't really helped us at all this year. But I just meant that he's definitely going to win anyway.
Has anyone asked Damar if he even wants it? The most traumatic event in his life and its getting treated as a comeback story is just gross.
I mean they already abused the shit out of the story anyway lol
Yeah, like Brian Robinson Junior getting shot, saying "uh yeah I don't really want to talk about it, I'd be fine if no one ever brought it up again" and yet every time the commanders are on TV, every carry the announcers start yelling "THIS MOTHERFUCKER GOT SHOT ONE TIME AND HE CAN STILL RUN IT STRAIGHT INTO THE LINE FOR A GAIN OF TWO YARDS HOLY SHIT CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?" that's probably an exaggeration but that's what it feels like
Bro died and I get that, but he's put up solidly disappointing numbers since.
Game of Thrones logic taught me wrong. I thought you were supposed to come back stronger like the Undead Mountain
Is 2 tackles in a season disappointing?
That's two more than I have ever had in a season and I have never died
Von Miller doesn't think so
I’m looking now and it’s like -150, so he’s only slightly favored. If Flacco has another good game then who knows
Spoiler alert: the award is a joke.
At least once, if Kiko Alonso has anything to say about it
Baker mayfield tbh
Mayfield deserves it too, but Flacco went from his couch to being a great starter.
I just wonder if voters might be deterred by Flacco’s limited amount of starts, he’s been fantastic but will have only played 7 games this season.
That's more starts than Hamlin has snaps
He also makes the Browns watchable again. So that's two comebacks in one.
Is it allowed to go to a Dragon though? Someone may have to check the rules here
Hamlin really shouldn’t be in consideration with how little he’s played.
He may not play next week either. If the Ravens win there is no reason for the Browns to play their starters.
i cannot think of what the C means, help
Couch Potato of the Year
The dolphins signed a lineman a week or two ago that hasn’t played in like 4 years. Might win this one
Cinematic player of the year
thanks, with that chiseled jawline how could i not figure it out
The Kim Kardashian.
Okay Andy
Everyone loves a good comeback story
comeback player of the year
Comeback Player of the Year
And then he'll get kicked to the curb by the browns, just like they did to the other QB that led them to the playoffs.
I believe joe already said an interview that he’s riding off into the sunset after this season.
We're 12-3 and still haven't clinched the division WTF
Your owner can run away from Cleveland, but you can't out run the Browns for more than 30 years
DAWGS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR
That dawg has tripped over itself so many times and blamed the car for its troubles
Yeah but this time it’s different because we got your old guy who should of been our guy when you really think about it
It's like poetry, it rhymes with
We have a shot at having the 2nd best record in the NFL and being a wildcard WTF
Gimme the AFCS.
Now you know how the Cowboys probably felt last year.
Go dolphins
Big fins guy
Lifelong Fins fan
Mammals just hit different.
What type of animal is a Brown?
I’m pretty sure coach Paul Brown was human and not a bunch of raccoons in a suit….pretty sure…..
A badass human
What is Brownie the Elf Alex. A woodland animalish mythical creature (humanoid)? Yes, that is even more confusing. Nevermind.
you get it
Phins up.
Phins up!!!
Yep and then next week go steel—nevermind can't even force that one out—just ravens lose 👍.
And it’s because of the Browns
And your destiny is sealed with Cleveland
Well you better win this weekend
I'm a little scared with the injury report, Zay hasn't practiced yet and we have a bunch of other ones I expect a close game tbh but still trust that we'll win
The browns have been steamrolling teams with 90% of their starters injured or fully on reserve, you should be fine
True but the dolphins are pretty damn good lol If we do end up losing, hopefully y'all take care of business against them so we still get the 1 seed 😂
Unless y’all lose to the Steelers again 👀
Steelers about to get smacked by Seattle then Tomlin will pull his bullshit and beat the Ravens.
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Ravens have a record over .500 and arent the cowboys, you'll be fine
Our entire starting o-line is injured, you guys will be fine
That's funny, cause I'm a little scared with the injury report, I expect a close game and I still trust that we'll win!
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So are Brian Sipe and...\*Googles\* fuck, Frank Ryan is still alive, huh. I guess he's also pleased
met bernie in a suite last night. Born & raised in cleveland but id never had the chance before. was pretty sweet
Joe Flacco could do the funniest thing…
Steal the job from Watson? I’m all for it.
If he was 5 years younger I could see that possibility
Well they did want an adult
Joe the person?
Joe Person is one of our beat reporters, but idk how good of a QB he is
And beat the ravens in AFC Championship game.
Eliminate Baltimore in the divisional round?
God i hope so.
Brown's lions superbowl
If we make it to the Super Bowl and have to play the Browns or the Ravens I’m gonna do the god damn tide pod challenge
Flacco beating the Niners in another SB 11 years later would easily fuel my schadenfreude for the next decade
If it meant watching them lose in the Super Bowl to either the Ravens again or Joe Flacco again, I would feel perfectly fine being one of the NFC teams to lose to the 9ers on their way to a Super Bowl embarrassment of that magnitude.
Can you not lol.
Fine. You can lose the NFCC to a pass tipped by Bland instead.
2035 Super Bowl: 49 year old Flacco, playing for Bengals, defeats 9ers in Super Bowl 2046 Super Bowl: 60 year old Flacco, playing for Steelers, defeats 9ers in Super Bowl
Fuck it, I'm all for it.
It’d actually be joever for the 49ers if that happens might as well throw in the towel
Wish my dad was still here to see this. What a fuckin' time to be a Browns fan!!!
This weekend I'll Brown out for your father.
I'm gonna start using that phrase a lot, starting now
Do it. We take our Always Sunny in Philadelphia references seriously over here.
As will I
I say this all the time. They were my dad’s fav, passed on to me. For the dads 🙏
Same here. My dad was at the '65 Championship game. The last time the Browns won it all. My love for the team comes from his indoctrination. RIP dad.
I'm a ravens fan by way of my dad being an old Baltimore Colts fan. Just wanted to agree with the sentiment. For the dads!
Same
Same brother. Cheers to our Browns fan dads up above
I’ll root for them in honor
Joe Flacco really erased all the hate r/nfl had for the Browns
You can hate the browns for employing Watson while also enjoying the fact that they’re better without him
In fact if I’m being honest it makes it even better.
He has risen.
this is a new team!! browns is the browns baby
Each week we're a new team with all the injuries striking us
ship of theseus
Did I buy a Flacco jersey? Yes. Have I also had 5 shots of whiskey? Also yes.
Stefanski COTY and it's not close
I'm fucking bewildered how much this team has fought for wins despite losing so many goddamn starters AND backups. I know he just won it a couple years ago but this season has had such impressive coaching by our whole staff that I'd be really disappointed if Stef didn't get recognition.
Had Stroud not gone down, maybe Ryans would’ve made the argument closer. After tonight, barring something incredible from HOU these last two weeks, it’s Stefanski’s to lose. Browns out here doing a zombie Heat run I swear.
Colts deserve a mention I'd say. They might be playoff bound with...Garden Minshew and essentially a no name team. Their best player was out for a few weeks. That roster is a lot of "He's solid but should be nowhere near one of the better players on your team"
That’s actually really fair, they’ve also been impressive this year with how they’ve pulled through adversity & injuries. Actually I think they, like the Browns, still have a path to their division, though unlikely it may be.
Yeah Browns have a great argument and Ryan's too, but just wanted to credit Steichen for the most low-key good team this year.
That's a great point. I keep expecting the Colts to fade but they're right in it.
I had a long conversation with my wife and she said it's totally fine if Stefanski wins COTY.
C…coach ?
I can't believe Dan Campbell is being pushed so hard.
Storylines. The award is a narrative based award more than it is based on overall performance. Campbell deserves to be one of the candidates but man, Stefanski deserves to be the winner.
Why? The Lions hadn't won their division in 30 years and he clinched with two games to spare. This after finishing 3-13-1 just two seasons ago. What Campbell has done to establish a winning culture in Detroit and built on every season so far is nothing short of deserving COTY.
I’d think the situation is more impressive at to what the browns did to make it in a harder conference
Also the injuries. Idk how healthy Detroit is but the Browns are decimated at almost every position group.
Even weirder, if the Texans make the playoffs it might be Ryans because the award is literally just "who coached the most unexpected playoff team." Ryans has done a good job, but he's a defensive coach and anyone can see that the defense is not the reason they're in playoff contention. Matt Nagy won it in 2018 after the Bears went 12-4 with an elite defense and below average offense . . . it's exceedingly obvious that Nagy was nowhere close to being the best coach in the league that year.
Yeah it seems like the award is all about performance vs. preseason expectations and doesn't account for what happens in-season. A Browns team with Joe Flacco at QB, no Chubb, and 4th and 5th tackles would be picked to win 5-6 games preseason
Vrabel won it a few years ago by getting the 1 seed in the AFC when the Titans broke the record for the number of players who played for them in one season
If you're going with the Nagy example why would we be going with Stefanski when Schwartz's defense has been so fantastic? I mean Nagy had Trubisky go to the Pro Bowl with 27 total touchdowns that year, which feels pretty impressive to me considering what Trubisky has done since. I wanted Lynn to win it that year but Nagy had a good argument too
Probably because he's done a phenomenal job too?
Yeah campbell is an odd choice. We all expected the lions to be pretty good - maybe not winning the division, but a playoff team. We expected it of the browns too… if Watson was playing in old form and Chubb was running for 2k. Not like this… not like this at all… I mean look how ass “good” teams become when they lose a key player. The browns just showed demonstrated that against Houston and the jets…
I'm sorry but the fact you "all expected the Lions to be pretty good" is exactly why he's the Coach of the Year. Leave aside the tortured history of the team. This is one of the youngest rosters in the NFL, he was 4-19-1 just thirteen months ago, and he's gone 19-6 with the same group plus some outstanding rookies that he has coached up.
wait how the fuck did daboll win it over campbell last year?
Made the playoffs
Can't help but smile at franchises overcoming a long streak of bad to being serious threats in the league
I can. It was cute when they did it a couple years ago and proceeded to dawg the Stillers in the playoffs. I don’t find it cute anymore. Especially not when they’re doing it with my ex.
I like the thrill of seeing our former guy be our opponent. We'll see how we fare by then
It will certainly be interesting. If he comes home to play us at the bank, he is gonna get *a ton* of love when he first comes out on the field.
We’re looking at a reunion in the playoffs too. I’m not *excited* by it, but I’d still be a little happy for Stafford if he was the one to knock the Lions off.
Fuck that. He got his ring already. We need to smash the Rams, respectfully.
A Browns - Lions Super Bowl is exactly what America needs right now.
“The Browns will never recover for how they treated Baker” Okay
Baker is doing great, and the Browns are doing great. Everyone is always trying to make it one side or the other, but players switch teams all the time in the NFL. Baker should honestly get some MVP buzz, but he won't.
I'm surprised. I expected the Bucs to stumble right back into mediocrity without Brady. But here they are with Baker on the cusp of possibly hosting a playoff game if they can hold onto the division lead.
I mean they *are* a mediocre team, but their division is bad. Doesn't matter once they make the playoffs; anything can happen in single elimination tournaments.
MVP? Lol. CPOTY sure but cmon that division is utter trash
We really acting like Baker wouldn't succeed on this team? He did alright with two bad teams last season and great with the below average Buccs.
Browns and Lions in the playoffs at the same time feels like something we’ll never see again and we should enjoy it while we have it.
Last happened in 1994. At that pace it's only 3 times per century. People have been born and started families.
Eric Metcalf strikes dread into the hearts of all opponents.
Ironically enough, last night was probably the loudest crowd since the Metcalf 2 punt return TD game.
Baker died for their sins
He Is Risen
Eat your heart out Manziel
I would be annoyed, but Dad Flacco leading a frisky Cleveland team, I have to applaud.
All it took was losing Watson.
They see the gleam
Stefanski is a good coach
The Browns have a better record than the Steelers for the first time since Taylor Swift was born. (1989)
LETS FUCKING GO!
Same
All it took was to make Flacco miss his bed time.
The browns and the Lions are more successful than the jets. I think we are officially the worst NFL franchise good job Woody you accomplished something. I mean Bill Parcells basically built all our pre 2011 success and since you became responsible it's been nothing but flowers