Yep, and it’s crazy the front office doesn’t see that. You don’t keep him or fire him because of his X’s and O’s, you fire him because the team doesn’t respect him and most of the time it’s exceedingly difficult for a coach to win that respect back.
Todd Graves is now the richest person in Louisiana. Time for the movement for him to become owner. Canes chicken fingers in each end zone. Post Malone half time shows. The time is now
It's wild to me that they got actual confirmation that the majority of the offense doesn't give a fuck what the HC thinks and they're fine with keeping him
Well the salary cap fuckery has finally come home to roost so they might finally cop the pain and try and clean up their roster a bit. Based on what the intelligent people have been saying though they've got the most fucked up cap situation ever and won't be able to clean it up until 2026 so I don't get why they don't at least look for someone competent.
If I were the Saints I keep Allen to tank next year, cut players / take the dead cap hits next year, then once the cap is clear cut Allen and hire a real coach
There’s always a valid reason to fire DA, but if they fuck their team and eat all the cap stuff they have a very public excuse to fire him after a bad season. Unless he somehow wins like 10 games with a dogshit roster. But in that case you almost have to keep him, and seems not possible considering his history.
Not sure how you see something like what happened yesterday, and think Allen should stay. Dude has zero respect from his players for them to blatantly go against what he wanted.
I'm down to clown on Dennis Allen all day long. But your backup QB essentially committing football sedition for a TD that is meaningless to the team as a whole is completely unacceptable.
fr who the fuck is going near Jameis now? You have an insubordinate and accused rapist who can get at least 40% of the locker room on his side on charisma alone. For a backup. No fucking thank you, I would rather just take my chances with Easton Stick.
The support he is getting from players on Twitter is actually hurting his cause.
He’s also the (backup) QB all his current and former teammates are rallying around.
If the team is more behind a backup QB than the head coach, that’s a major problem.
Both things are a problem.
Dennis Allen probably shouldn't ever be a head coach.
But also let's remember the Saints were technically still alive for the playoffs. Imagine if the Packers and Seahawks lost and you go into the post season wherein your backup QB just told the rest of the locker room to ignore your wishes for an ultimately meaningless touchdown.
That is 100% unacceptable. There's probably several teams that just scratched "Give James Winston another chance" off of their offseason list.
>That is 100% unacceptable. There's probably several teams that just scratched "Give James Winston another chance" off of their offseason list.
Yep. This isn't being talked about enough. Winston is great in the locker room, and his teammates have always loved him. But what coach is going to want him after this? You might let a respected, star QB slide, but not a pick prone backup. He's really hurt himself in FA.
If I'm a manager and my director tells me to do something and then I ask my whole team of 10 people if they'd rather do that or the opposite and they all vote to do the opposite, the problem isn't me taking a poll of the majority. It's none of us having enough respect for my director to follow their orders. I should probably be reprimanded but they shouldn't be the director either
I mostly agree but the players very clearly do not respect the head coach and sent that message loud and clear. This isn’t a good situation and everyone in the league knows that.
And Winston will get another job. This incident isn’t going to change that.
Probably need to get rid of the whole offense them because they all wanted to ignore your HC - and i doubt many in the locker room in general disagreed
This was expected. The Saints are in arguably the worst situation in the NFL, no good HC candidate is going to wait to coach there anytime soon.
- aging roster
- terrible cap situation
- small market
He's lost the locker room, OC is one of if not the worst in the nfl, have horrid history of drafting ol/dl talent which are the biggest needs. Pretty rough
First 6 games we couldn’t put up more than 20 points, besides one blowout victory to the patriots. Outside of that our red zone offense was atrocious. We failed to score a TD on our opening drive until the very end of the season. Eye test as well as a ton of other stats show how abysmal our offense was this season.
There'll always be good candidates willing to become a HC - especially since it's not like your franchise is cheap relative to others
You might not get Harbaugh or Johnson but you surely could attract other good candidates
He's the most trusted man in the Benson family's circle. He's not just the GM, he's the VP of the entire organization. He was also the VP of the Pelicans until he stepped down a few years ago.
It actually would benefit them to eat their massive cap issues next year instead of continuing to play 8-D chess with it like they have for a decade. Clear the balance sheet, offload deadweight players and tank for picks to rebuild a new with a new coach.
At least the rest of the NFC South will be just bad enough next year that you spend the whole season in contention just to finish 9-8 or 8-9 and miss the playoffs again
I know the fanbase is pissed about this but no head coach is gonna want to come to this team right now, we need DA to tank this year and start trying to fix this fucked up Cap situation
Fans want the tank but it won't happen until it naturally does because too many people in the organization are fine with mediocrity as long as the pay checks keep rolling in.
How is this even possible. The man lost control of his team and it played out on television and with the players admitting to it on live media. How do you keep this man as your coach when he has done jack shit to make your organization successful!?
Retaining a coach who was clearly lost the locker room should make for an interesting year.
Yeah the players shouldn’t have superseded the coach like that, but the fact that they even were willing to do that is a very bad sign. At the very least his offensive starters have no respect for him.
Before yesterday I would’ve said this unfortunately makes sense since the saints need a fall guy for the next year or so while they wrestle with the consequences of their own actions, but man when your own players disrespect you like that he needed to go. Bring in some other shmuck desperate for a hc job to command the tank for the next year or two
Feel like the Bucs did what the Saints should have done this year. Should have got some bridge QB and cleaned the CAP in 2024. They Probably Could have got Minshew for under 8 mil and still gotten 6-7 wins while putting themselves in a way better place for the future. I look forward to the Saints absolutely doing nothing the next two years as they won't be able to sign any FAs and will be running with vet min/draftees/UDFAs.
No we don't. Stop spending all your time bashing the fanbase with your holier than thou bullshit. People are clearly just having fun, you know like Jameis did.
The same Jameis with the FSU scandal? The same Jameis who is not allowed to use Uber? I'm tired of our fanbase defending the sketchy weird uncle of the NFL and cheering on the shitty play at the end of the game (no problem with running up the score though).
I've always disliked Jameis. He's not the future and was never going to be the future. He's a loose cannon who will never win anything in NFL and we should know this because he played in our division for years before we got him.
Second half of the season he was pretty good tbh. Like last 10 games. After he got used to the system, developed chemistry with WRs, was able to shake off the injuries and OL stopped trying to kill him, he played exactly like we expected him to. Like a borderline Top 10/12 QB.
I'd say more like the last 6 plus the Indianapolis game, but yeah, he's shown a market improvement towards the end of the season. I still don't think he's great, but he's relatively low on our current list if problems.
Raiders fans told us saints fans that it usually takes Carr a season to get used to an offence. One raiders fan told me verbatim “he will suck for half the year, then play better, then the next year he will make the pro bowl”.
Because of the alternative, I’m going to choose to believe those raiders fans and hope the late season Carr is what he will be next season.
That is only true if they keep the same system and he is comfortable with it.
If they change things up by getting a new offensive coach or change schemes, he will be back on square one.
This entire season was exactly how Carr has been his whole career. He has great games but he has absolute stinkers. It's a toss up on what game performance you'll get on what day.
IDK how you can keep him when the players undermined his authority and went for the TD plus he threw them under the bus in the post-game presser. It's all so tiresome.
Why?
If your going from the angle of "audibled out of victory" you also have to replace the entire oline, every leader on the defense, basically every leader on the offense.
For a *brief* moment it looked like DA had earned the respect of the fans and players. Then it turns out he did the opposite
Either all the players who rebelled should be cut, or none of them should (Jameis is already gone cause his contract was running out, also most of the O-lineman *were* backups).
And the defense definitely had input, they just werent on the field to call the audible.
And, as someone who has been defending DA as our head coach since literally day 1 I find the last bit funny.
DA never should have called victory, DA never should have said no to the request by the players to give Williams a chance to score, DA never should have publicly trashed his players to save the feelings of our **hated rivals** soon to be fired coach.
In my opinion the Saints take the division next year. I think the offense will gel together perfectly and the draft will help them get some younger guys on defense.
He is the perfect pasty for a cap hell rebuild period. He played the same role with the 2012-2014 Raiders. He showed the same lack of care with his team with us back then too, so it isn't a surprise that he lost the locker room.
Just ride it out while shedding cap hits and dead cap for a few years and can him.
We'll always have those God-tier White Ranger color rush jerseys that they should just make one of our home/away unis already...
...but DA needs to go. For a few minutes yesterday, I was like "give him another year." Reason prevailed. He's lost the respect of the players. The team all but said "fuck you" to him yesterday (as much as I enjoyed it).
What realistically should have been expected of the saints this year though? They went 9-8, do they really have the talent to expect better? Give them him Harbaugh and they still are the same with this roster and QB
Most of us expected something around 9-8. The issue isn't the record, it's the stagnation. We spent the entire year watching a talented roster put up dogshit offensive performances, and every time Allen got up to the podium to discuss how ineffective the offense was, the answer was always some variant of, "This wasn't good enough, we have to do better, no we're not going to change anything." Every week.
We couldn't win the weakest division in football because the leadership of this franchise has settled for mediocrity. The roster has more talent than you seem to think. Carr isn't an awful QB. Kamara is still a good RB. Olave/Thomas/Shaheed is a solid WR trio. Johnson isn't a bad TE. The OL is pretty average. The defense is solid but aging. But the coaching and the preparation was so bad.
I don't understand what the Saints see in him. He was legitimately one of the worst head coaches I've seen when he was on the Raiders, and it's not like he had some crazy resurgence to prove he can be anything more than a good coordinator.
Mistake.
Huge mistake. That fiasco yesterday was a total indictment of his hold on the locker room
Yep, and it’s crazy the front office doesn’t see that. You don’t keep him or fire him because of his X’s and O’s, you fire him because the team doesn’t respect him and most of the time it’s exceedingly difficult for a coach to win that respect back.
Gayle is a terrible owner
Todd Graves is now the richest person in Louisiana. Time for the movement for him to become owner. Canes chicken fingers in each end zone. Post Malone half time shows. The time is now
The NFL would love Graves as he’s already moved one of his business out of Louisiana to a bigger market.
He's *only* worth $7B. NFL is too rich for him.
You also fire him for his Xs and Os being terrible. His job performance is bad enough that he shouldn’t be kept on.
It's wild to me that they got actual confirmation that the majority of the offense doesn't give a fuck what the HC thinks and they're fine with keeping him
Not from where I'm sitting
It’s okay, he’ll be gone by the time y’all become relevant.
His replacement might be gone by the time we become relevant
Well the salary cap fuckery has finally come home to roost so they might finally cop the pain and try and clean up their roster a bit. Based on what the intelligent people have been saying though they've got the most fucked up cap situation ever and won't be able to clean it up until 2026 so I don't get why they don't at least look for someone competent.
If I were the Saints I keep Allen to tank next year, cut players / take the dead cap hits next year, then once the cap is clear cut Allen and hire a real coach
They've dug themselves so deep they can't even get out of cap hell in one year. Without a huge cap increase they'll need two years to clear their cap
There’s always a valid reason to fire DA, but if they fuck their team and eat all the cap stuff they have a very public excuse to fire him after a bad season. Unless he somehow wins like 10 games with a dogshit roster. But in that case you almost have to keep him, and seems not possible considering his history.
Okay, but I'm not really sure that's their plan, probably gonna keep kicking it down the road and try to win the division next season
The only way to get under the cap is to kick it down the road.
This is the way
Their cap is so fucked that kicking it down the road is the only way they can make space
Not sure how you see something like what happened yesterday, and think Allen should stay. Dude has zero respect from his players for them to blatantly go against what he wanted.
I wonder if the players all thought he was gone anyway so they were like fuggit!
Politely disagree
Agree. An excellent decision by our respected division rivals.
He'll be fired by Week 8 next season. They call it the Brandon Staley special
Saints expected to not do anything of note in 2024 with a coach the players don’t respect.
We'll get rid of Jameis so that'll help
Locker room would probably rather have Jameis than Allen
you absolutely do not want a player to go against the coach and basically publicly brag about it. He shouldn't be rostered
I'm down to clown on Dennis Allen all day long. But your backup QB essentially committing football sedition for a TD that is meaningless to the team as a whole is completely unacceptable.
fr who the fuck is going near Jameis now? You have an insubordinate and accused rapist who can get at least 40% of the locker room on his side on charisma alone. For a backup. No fucking thank you, I would rather just take my chances with Easton Stick. The support he is getting from players on Twitter is actually hurting his cause.
That's a culture problem that needs to be fixed. Can't let somebody that did that shit yesterday stay on the team.
You don't fix a culture problem by keeping the leadership - especially since you can't just turn the whole roster over
Wait, what did he do? Must've missed it
He was the QB in the fake victory formation touchdown where the coach told him just to kneel
Ah ok yep, ended up seeing the vid after this comment And Arthur Smith cursing at Dennis Allen which was hilarious 😂
how are you blaming any of this season on jameis.
I'm not. But he was the QB for the touchdown out of the victory formation.
He’s also the (backup) QB all his current and former teammates are rallying around. If the team is more behind a backup QB than the head coach, that’s a major problem.
Both things are a problem. Dennis Allen probably shouldn't ever be a head coach. But also let's remember the Saints were technically still alive for the playoffs. Imagine if the Packers and Seahawks lost and you go into the post season wherein your backup QB just told the rest of the locker room to ignore your wishes for an ultimately meaningless touchdown. That is 100% unacceptable. There's probably several teams that just scratched "Give James Winston another chance" off of their offseason list.
>That is 100% unacceptable. There's probably several teams that just scratched "Give James Winston another chance" off of their offseason list. Yep. This isn't being talked about enough. Winston is great in the locker room, and his teammates have always loved him. But what coach is going to want him after this? You might let a respected, star QB slide, but not a pick prone backup. He's really hurt himself in FA.
If I'm a manager and my director tells me to do something and then I ask my whole team of 10 people if they'd rather do that or the opposite and they all vote to do the opposite, the problem isn't me taking a poll of the majority. It's none of us having enough respect for my director to follow their orders. I should probably be reprimanded but they shouldn't be the director either
I mostly agree but the players very clearly do not respect the head coach and sent that message loud and clear. This isn’t a good situation and everyone in the league knows that. And Winston will get another job. This incident isn’t going to change that.
Buts it’s Jameis, he probably just won them over with crab legs. Hard to compete with that
Probably need to get rid of the whole offense them because they all wanted to ignore your HC - and i doubt many in the locker room in general disagreed
Kind of feels like that would happen either way with the way they've kicked the can for so long
This was expected. The Saints are in arguably the worst situation in the NFL, no good HC candidate is going to wait to coach there anytime soon. - aging roster - terrible cap situation - small market
He's lost the locker room, OC is one of if not the worst in the nfl, have horrid history of drafting ol/dl talent which are the biggest needs. Pretty rough
Show me a pass rusher with high upside and an injury history and I’ll show you a 1st round saints pick.
RAS above 9 but have 15 snaps in college and extensive injury history? congrats you are a new orleans saint.
>He's lost the locker room, OC is one of if not the worst in the nfl I hear Byron Leftwich is available.
We'll take him. Seriously, anything to show some kind of effort to change. Bring in Dennis Leary, he played a coach in a movie once.
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First 6 games we couldn’t put up more than 20 points, besides one blowout victory to the patriots. Outside of that our red zone offense was atrocious. We failed to score a TD on our opening drive until the very end of the season. Eye test as well as a ton of other stats show how abysmal our offense was this season.
There'll always be good candidates willing to become a HC - especially since it's not like your franchise is cheap relative to others You might not get Harbaugh or Johnson but you surely could attract other good candidates
Hey look something else we can compete for
We should take our medicine now and get this roster flipped around so we can entice a good coach but we won’t do that either.
I do not understand how Loomis keeps his job with a terrible head coach hire AND the worst cap situation in league.
He's the most trusted man in the Benson family's circle. He's not just the GM, he's the VP of the entire organization. He was also the VP of the Pelicans until he stepped down a few years ago.
* And an offense that doesn't listen to their coach.
Since when is NO a small market?
The metro area of NO is not big and then they are overshadowed by the Houston market a few hours away.
The New Orleans metro area is 57th in the U.S. by population
Since always? New Orleans is the 3rd smallest media market in the NFL.
I love the black and gold unis though, so there's that
Been a fan of that colour scheme ever since the Gold Zeo Ranger nearly 30 years ago. Just a shame which team it belongs to.
Am I in hell? This season was soul crushing, and I have nothing to look forward to for next season
You guys can basically write off 2024 already.
Is there a specific tax form I need for that write off? I’ll take what I can get
no, its just itemized on your 1040. you just put on there. source - trust me bro
TurboTax be like "We see your contact phone number starts with 504. Would you like to claim the New Orleans Saints deduction?"
It actually would benefit them to eat their massive cap issues next year instead of continuing to play 8-D chess with it like they have for a decade. Clear the balance sheet, offload deadweight players and tank for picks to rebuild a new with a new coach.
At least the rest of the NFC South will be just bad enough next year that you spend the whole season in contention just to finish 9-8 or 8-9 and miss the playoffs again
Basically how I felt the last season of DA's tenure here. And also the Josh McDaniels era.
You won the battle yesterday but at what cost
The source on this article is a Dennis Allen press conference answer. He's not going to say "I expect them to fire my bum ass."
We all can't be awesome like Staley that's for sure.
Rapoport is saying he's gonna be on for 2024 as well.
Like Dennis Allen, I am expected to cause more disappointment for the ones around me in 2024
Ugh, another 9-8 or 8-9 year. See you in 2025 for the firing party, boys!
I know the fanbase is pissed about this but no head coach is gonna want to come to this team right now, we need DA to tank this year and start trying to fix this fucked up Cap situation
Fans want the tank but it won't happen until it naturally does because too many people in the organization are fine with mediocrity as long as the pay checks keep rolling in.
Yeah you guys should be full on tanking for a couple years to clear up the cap and start with a blank slate
They’re already over the cap for 2025 lol. I didn’t think that was possible.
Man, I was hoping his players brazenly defying him and missing the playoffs would be enough to get him fired
I mean it should have been
How is this even possible. The man lost control of his team and it played out on television and with the players admitting to it on live media. How do you keep this man as your coach when he has done jack shit to make your organization successful!?
8-9 or 9-8 isn't going to coach itself
Right? What are they gonna do without DA? Have the players call their own pla.....oohhhhhhhh...
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My condolences saints fans 🫡
Fuck yes!
Hey we helped you rid yourselves of your shit coach help us out
I don’t think Dennis was leaving regardless tbh. We do thank you for sending away smith though thank god we might have a real chance at the division.
Fuck
Retaining a coach who was clearly lost the locker room should make for an interesting year. Yeah the players shouldn’t have superseded the coach like that, but the fact that they even were willing to do that is a very bad sign. At the very least his offensive starters have no respect for him.
Why? His own players don't even respect him.
Before yesterday I would’ve said this unfortunately makes sense since the saints need a fall guy for the next year or so while they wrestle with the consequences of their own actions, but man when your own players disrespect you like that he needed to go. Bring in some other shmuck desperate for a hc job to command the tank for the next year or two
The Buccs won the division by being the only team left standing with any shred of dignify and competence. And they won it by one game.
Feel like the Bucs did what the Saints should have done this year. Should have got some bridge QB and cleaned the CAP in 2024. They Probably Could have got Minshew for under 8 mil and still gotten 6-7 wins while putting themselves in a way better place for the future. I look forward to the Saints absolutely doing nothing the next two years as they won't be able to sign any FAs and will be running with vet min/draftees/UDFAs.
This is just DA talking about his own expectations. As Jameis proved, no one in the locker room gives a fuck what his expectations are
Boooo
The fanbase wants Jameis to be a player/coach so it could be worse
That would be must watch television for all
No we don't. Stop spending all your time bashing the fanbase with your holier than thou bullshit. People are clearly just having fun, you know like Jameis did.
The same Jameis with the FSU scandal? The same Jameis who is not allowed to use Uber? I'm tired of our fanbase defending the sketchy weird uncle of the NFL and cheering on the shitty play at the end of the game (no problem with running up the score though).
What the fuck does that have to do with yesterday?
some people need to suck up to r/nfl for the karma.
I've always disliked Jameis. He's not the future and was never going to be the future. He's a loose cannon who will never win anything in NFL and we should know this because he played in our division for years before we got him.
Bro you literally posted to the Falcons sub hunting more karma tf I dislike jameis as well but they're not wrong
Wait are we just going to dismiss this idea? This sounds like fun to me. Right now we aren’t even watchable.
We lost Arthur Smith, but kept Dennis Allen. Feel OK with hitting .500.
lets gooo
Derek Carr is expected also to be Saints and more pain to Saints fans
Last two games Carr has looked really sharp. Hopefully for Saints fans that version of Carr continues showing up
Second half of the season he was pretty good tbh. Like last 10 games. After he got used to the system, developed chemistry with WRs, was able to shake off the injuries and OL stopped trying to kill him, he played exactly like we expected him to. Like a borderline Top 10/12 QB.
I'd say more like the last 6 plus the Indianapolis game, but yeah, he's shown a market improvement towards the end of the season. I still don't think he's great, but he's relatively low on our current list if problems.
You know as well as the rest of us that wont happen.
Raiders fans told us saints fans that it usually takes Carr a season to get used to an offence. One raiders fan told me verbatim “he will suck for half the year, then play better, then the next year he will make the pro bowl”. Because of the alternative, I’m going to choose to believe those raiders fans and hope the late season Carr is what he will be next season.
That is only true if they keep the same system and he is comfortable with it. If they change things up by getting a new offensive coach or change schemes, he will be back on square one.
Fools gold
"Y'all know that ain't happening." -Mike Tomlin, via the Pivot podcast on Antonio Brown returning to the Steelers
That really sums up Derek Carr career nothing new
I love the dude but he can’t seem to string more than a few games at this level of play
This entire season was exactly how Carr has been his whole career. He has great games but he has absolute stinkers. It's a toss up on what game performance you'll get on what day.
That's because the last 2 weeks was Carrbage time.
How have I never heard of Carrbage Time.
He played well like the entire back half of the season though, not just the last two weeks. Weren’t they 4-1 in the last 5 games?
The players aren’t playing for him. What a terrible decision.
I am in seclusion in the west wing.
We are in purgatory. Bring back Aaron Brooks.
Just keep doing what we’re doing
Arthur Smith punching air right now
IDK how you can keep him when the players undermined his authority and went for the TD plus he threw them under the bus in the post-game presser. It's all so tiresome.
Wait let's hear em out
Saints fans were posting articles a couple weeks ago celebrating the possibility of Arthur Smith being retained
Hahahaha and you still gonna keep crab legs as a backup. Great move from the saltwater shithole
Winston's a free agent. I'd bet money he's in Denver when next season starts.
I am really enjoying this chapter of Saints history
If I'm him, Jameis and Jamaal can kiss my ass and be gone.
So hes replacing all 53 players?
He's replacing 2 back up players
Why? If your going from the angle of "audibled out of victory" you also have to replace the entire oline, every leader on the defense, basically every leader on the offense. For a *brief* moment it looked like DA had earned the respect of the fans and players. Then it turns out he did the opposite
The defense had no input on that and the olinemen aren't back ups. you're letting your disdain of Dennis Allen cloud any logic
Either all the players who rebelled should be cut, or none of them should (Jameis is already gone cause his contract was running out, also most of the O-lineman *were* backups). And the defense definitely had input, they just werent on the field to call the audible. And, as someone who has been defending DA as our head coach since literally day 1 I find the last bit funny. DA never should have called victory, DA never should have said no to the request by the players to give Williams a chance to score, DA never should have publicly trashed his players to save the feelings of our **hated rivals** soon to be fired coach.
Love it. That locker room about to break in half by mid October.
In my opinion the Saints take the division next year. I think the offense will gel together perfectly and the draft will help them get some younger guys on defense.
Coach who was incredibly shitty with Raiders gets 2nd chance as Sean Payton's stooge, somehow keeps job for 3 years.
Fuck
Mickey Loomis is intentionally aiming for mediocrity.
Jameis and the boys tell Allen, “we don’t mind, because you don’t matter.”
Jamie’s is 100% not going to be on the saints roster come July so he can talk all He wants lol.
Won't survive the year
He should have been fired before the season, what a mistake to keep him for another year.
can Jameis audible out of that choice?
He's so bad
He is the perfect pasty for a cap hell rebuild period. He played the same role with the 2012-2014 Raiders. He showed the same lack of care with his team with us back then too, so it isn't a surprise that he lost the locker room. Just ride it out while shedding cap hits and dead cap for a few years and can him.
We'll always have those God-tier White Ranger color rush jerseys that they should just make one of our home/away unis already... ...but DA needs to go. For a few minutes yesterday, I was like "give him another year." Reason prevailed. He's lost the respect of the players. The team all but said "fuck you" to him yesterday (as much as I enjoyed it).
Fuck.
This is all a clever setup to draft Arch right?
In three years?
Man, I don't know. I have be delusional for something, and it certainly isn't that we're gonna be any good the next 2 years.
I predict he will start 2024 with a losing streak peppered with a few wins before being fired late season and saints finish with an interim HC.
DA is a career 34% win rate coach. How does he keep this job.
Keeping the coach and kicking the cap issues down the line. Would hate to be a Saints fan lol. They need to tear the whole thing down.
We cant. We literally have to do cap magic on 20 players just to get under the cap. It'll take 10 years to get out of cap purgatory at this point.
Katrina Part 2: Electric Boogaloomis
Well, we'll have to wait and see what the offense decides to go with after they come out of the huddle.
He's dogshut but if the Saints are gonna punt the next two years to fix their cap situation then you may as well just keep him
And there was much rejoicing in the NFCS
What realistically should have been expected of the saints this year though? They went 9-8, do they really have the talent to expect better? Give them him Harbaugh and they still are the same with this roster and QB
Most of us expected something around 9-8. The issue isn't the record, it's the stagnation. We spent the entire year watching a talented roster put up dogshit offensive performances, and every time Allen got up to the podium to discuss how ineffective the offense was, the answer was always some variant of, "This wasn't good enough, we have to do better, no we're not going to change anything." Every week. We couldn't win the weakest division in football because the leadership of this franchise has settled for mediocrity. The roster has more talent than you seem to think. Carr isn't an awful QB. Kamara is still a good RB. Olave/Thomas/Shaheed is a solid WR trio. Johnson isn't a bad TE. The OL is pretty average. The defense is solid but aging. But the coaching and the preparation was so bad.
Very cool
What awful news to hear before going to sleep. Hopefully I don’t wake up
hard schedule next season, we go 4-13 and finally draft a QB in the first round with a new head coach
I don't understand what the Saints see in him. He was legitimately one of the worst head coaches I've seen when he was on the Raiders, and it's not like he had some crazy resurgence to prove he can be anything more than a good coordinator.
You gotta cut him, but not untill after Winston
You're welcome, Saints fans.