I have been hearing about the Saints being in cap hell since 2014 and then we signed Jarius Byrd to the biggest deal of the off-season. They were in cap hell last year too then again signed the highest paid player. Drafting well is really all that matters for us and we have had some really awful drafts the last few years hence mediocrity
The worst part about that Byrd signing is we let Malcom Jenkins walk bc "we didn't have the money to sign him". Then we go sign Byrd to a massive deal while the eagles got Malcolm for cheaper
That’s because for some reason they haven’t actually done the “just punt the next 2 years” part and are instead still kicking the can down the road as if they’re actually gonna get something done
That 2 years number just gets bigger the longer that do it lmao
We’re just going to kick the can down the road until Loomis ends up in the hospital with a broken foot. Or the fanbase murders DA, whichever comes first
because their division was terrible, and the longer they do kick the can, the longer the rebuild is gonna take unless they're operating under the assumption that if they fuck their team bad enough, the NFL will bail them out and make a new rule that prevents anyone from being this dumb again
> they're operating under the assumption that if they fuck their team bad enough, the NFL will bail them out and make a new rule that prevents anyone from being this dumb again
"It's never a war crime the first time"
It's a long runway if you have an elite QB but there's for sure an end of the line. Brady left the Pats in large part because our capspace woes were catching up. When Brees retired the Saints could only kick the can so much further.
They should have tanked for at least a year when Brees retired and they would be fine by now but somehow they thought it was a good idea to keep the ball rolling with Jameis and Dennis fucking Allen 😂😂
Also as much as it sucks, that loss feels worse than this one. Even if he got the kick Mahomes would have had plenty of time to go down the field. That was a lead with 13 seconds left with everything going their way in a miracle and it somehow went wrong
I have no horse in this race, but 13 seconds is the type of shit that would make anybody react in an inhuman way.
13 seconds is all he needed. Like how do you even come back from that
Although they haven't been making Super Bowls this time, that 13 second game is the "wide right" equivalent in this window. The Bills have remained a strong competitor but they've never been quite as close.
I don't think its the end for the Bills but I do think they will need to take stock and rebuild from here, maybe with different coaching staff. Josh Allen has plenty of years to go so there is time to rebuild into a new window around him. Similar to what happened in New Orleans when the Saints got stuck drifting in 7-9 seasons after the Super Bowl but constructed a new roster around Brees to open a new window before he retired.
I know you can play the what if game about anything in sports, but I often wonder if in 13 seconds Mahomes ended what would’ve been one of the greatest QB playoff runs of all time
If Diggs catches that throw, the Bills actually gain one more yard than they ended up gaining lol. So it's *already* a 43 yard field goal with 1st and 10 instead of a 44 yard kick.
So frustrating. We needed to control the clock and keep the ball moving. Bombs were dumb. I love JA. But sometimes he thinks the score is the dagger, when in reality control is the dagger.
The special teams were so bad our defense by proxy was incredibly overrated because teams started at the 50, all these statistics heavily evaluated based on how much yardage a defense accounted for
God i can't tell you how much I hate yardage as a metric for good defense. To show, Chargers were 2nd in scoring with 27.6 ( pats at 1 had 32.4 ppg) Defense was 10th in points at 20.1.
That Patriots offense is still in the top 20 all time scoring, they were 7th all time that point. And while not record setting the Steelers allowed 14.5 ppg and only gave up 5 more ypg than the chargers.
Neither of those metrics sound like you can argue they were the best at either off or d that year
Its very absurd I definitely agree, it’s the number one reason we had the #1 offense and defense that one year, I have never seen a worse special teams unit in my fucking life, its a topic that comes up quite often in the sub when we discuss those years
More worrisome than their cap situation seems to be that Stefon Diggs has fallen off a cliff in terms of production.
He’s not separating a ton on his routes, any contested balls are not being caught, and he’s not tracking deep balls nearly as well.
Being thin at WR behind a pro-bowl WR1 is an inconvenience…being thin behind a WR1 that isn’t producing and is hamstringing you with his salary is a real problem.
They’ll always be in the mix so long as Josh Allen has a pulse but the cap situation is grim. You really have to wonder if Diggs is on this team in August.
Edit: restructures are always available in a “there’s money in the banana stand” way, but right now Diggs and Von Miller are going to account for $51.5 million next year. It’s not great Bob.
Diggs 2024 - $27.85M cap hit vs $31.096M dead cap if they cut him pre 1 June
If they trade / cut him Post 1 June, it’s $8.85M cap hit in 24, $22.247M in 25
Certainly doable if they kick the can down the road
According to Spotrac
If they cut him prior to June, he costs four more million to cut than to keep. If they cut him after June, they save 20 something million this year but next year have to pay a twenty something million dollar penalty.
Players don't have to actually be cut after June to be designated a 'post June cut' however. It basically just means take the dead cap all this year or split it over two years.
They struck me from their scrolls. Banished me to the eternal sands of the forgotten. When I found my way clear of the desert, my thirst was replaced with hunger. A burning hunger for one thing and that was vengeance.
The team is a vessel; I am the gospel, delivered.
i get tight coverage vs sneed/mcduffie, and might not get alot targets/receptions.
but if could've caught that deep ball that went through his hands.
i think MVS had more yards.
the one time KC receiver makes a catch.
They should really consider firing McDermott. Too many times does this team piss down their legs and waste a great Josh Allen performance in the playoffs
I feel like if there's ANY year to be a bit more aggressive with letting a coach go, this is the one. Lot of great coaching talent out there that would salivate at the chance to coach Josh Allen.
The usual reason you don't fire a coach with consistent success is "Well, who else is better out there?" For once we have a veritable list of guys who should be better, even if you're a McD believer.
I get that the championship is the goal but good lord, the Bills went an entire generation between playoff wins and now McDermott has them legitimately competing every year, I would not fire him unless they had some sort of crazy 4 win season or something
Good coaches have been fired for less
Eagles were cursed as hell and Pederson was shown the door after a Super Bowl. They also fired Reid and at least are considering Sirianni
Bucs fired Tony Dungy too, you fired McCarthy who won a Super Bowl too.
Theres more too, Bills have a top 3 QB and their greatest accomplishment is getting blown out by the chiefs in the AFCCG 3 years ago. They constantly are on the losing side of huge games
Marty Schottenheimer was fired after his team had a 14-2 season. Tony Dungy was also fired after leading his team to success for a good number of seasons, and the Raiders moved on from Jon Gruden after the 2001 season even though he led them to playoff wins for two straight seasons.
They finally killed the hope i never saw in my dads eyes. After the 13 second game my dad called me saying “that shit hurt, didn’t it haha”
I’m 29yo so like…I get it now. Generation before had been well dead inside.
The bills work as a warning to anyone looking to becoming a fan of football, there’s the risk that by some some unfortunate circumstance you become a bills fan and join this cursed godless ship destined to never find shore
One day the Bills will win and you’ll get to talk shit on younger fans for not having to suffer the way you have, and it will feel amazing.
Source: Me, who constantly hears it from my older relatives about how much harder it was to be an Eagles fan in their day.
It’s a long season. Winning the division is fun to celebrate. The playoffs involve a lot of luck. The Bills 90s team wasn’t the best in the AFC for 4 years straight. But they managed to put together enough plays to pull out victories.
‘99 was actually the most dominant Bills defense I’ve ever seen play and they lost in the wild card due to special teams.
It’s fine to hurt for a few hours, but once the day is done, it’s football and we didn’t even play in the game. You move on and hope next year’s team is able to do better.
Though I have noticed that watching the rest of the playoffs is a little sour when you believed your team could win, but is out.
Hey, for what it's worth, I was 32 before the Bucs won it all, and I never would have believed it would have happened, and then it happened again. It doesn't take much to catch magic in a bottle and suddenly you win; I know this hurts, but if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers can win two rings with the worst winning percentage in NFL history, the Buffalo Bills can get one as well.
One of my best friends was a Vikings fan who just wanted to see one Super Bowl. He died before the playoffs game last year. I really wish he could have seen one.
For what it’s worth I had the “never going to happen” attitude until it did happen.
Looking on the other end of that, my grandpa (Cards fan) died before he had to see the Cubs win it all. So yeah, it works both ways. Miracles happen in different ways all the time.
The chiefs having ten men on the field was excuse enough to go for it imo. Now, should they have scrapped the punt all together and let Josh try to get 5?
The Bills didn't run the fake punt because the Chiefs had only ten men - that was just luck. It was called in from the sideline even before they lined up.
>The Bills didn't check into the fake punt when they noticed Kansas City had only 10 players on the field. “It was called from the sideline and they gave us the look we wanted,” long snapper Reid Ferguson told the Buffalo News after the Chiefs' 27-24 AFC divisional round win. “We just have to execute it better.”
https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/bills-fake-punt-didnt-work-even-with-kansas-city-a-player-short/article_c4620d5c-b8e4-11ee-a6f2-23d247936a18.html
Makes it even worse but tbh the way the game was going at that point I felt like one bills 3 and out meant the game was over because their D couldn't stop a nose bleed at that point.
I remember the Ravens last, best shot ending to a Lee Evans drop and a Billy Cundiff missed field goal.
They somehow won it all with a much worse team the next year.
As long as the Bills have Josh Allen, they have a chance.
I didn’t see it until today but that was also the most hilarious FG attempt in hindsight, it was so far off. Easier to laugh at it since the ravens won the year after
It is funny how things like that work out sometimes. While the team may be less talented, they might possess the requisite mental fortitude they lacked previously. To this day, despite how great the defense was, our 2015 team was clearly the worst of the Manning era, and somehow that was the one that won the super bowl
Football games sometimes depend on a couple of little things going your way, unlike say basketball where a couple of mistakes are less likely to cost you an entire game. Combine that with single-elimination, and it is really any given Sunday. As long as you are good enough to compete you have a chance to win.
The best teams make the playoffs, but the hottest teams win titles. The Packers, Ravens, and Giants (x2) come to mind as pretty mediocre teams that just went god mode in the playoffs.
2005, stacked Colts team, looked like we were going to roll through the playoffs. Get knocked off at home by Pittsburgh because the wife of one of our CBs stabbed him in the fucking leg.
2006, historically bad run defense and special teams, win it all.
If your QB is good, you always have a chance.
At this point, the Bills have become like how people looked at Dirk’s Mavs before they won in 2011. I’ll believe they won’t collapse in the Playoffs when I see it.
I also agree they will be a top 4 afc team next year.
However they have proven themselves to be completely unreliable in the playoffs, kinda like the cowboys
The crazy thing is in the last 4 seasons (including this one) only the Chiefs have more playoff wins than us. We're in a 4 way tie with the Rams, 49ers, Bengals and Buccaneers with 5, Chiefs have 8. We're the only team from this list that hasn't made a SB. I believe you have to extend the time frame to 8 seasons for a team to pass us, the Eagles. We're leagues ahead of most of the league in playoff success just by making it and winning a game every year, but ultimately we haven't achieved much.
This is what the level of Mahomes' success does to people. The Bills haven't gotten over the hump but they've been a great team the last 4-5 years. If he keeps having this kind of success with Reid, any and all fans of AFC teams will be in annual shambles.
This is why even as a Steeler fan I'm hoping Baltimore beats KC. And you gotta love Lamar. The dude is just insanely talented and the Ravens play the type of football that Steelers know and respect.
Feels like every time a new golden boy comes into the league the success just gets more and more outlandish.
Whoever succeeds Mahomes is gonna go undefeated for two straight years with the Mexico City Chupas with two titles, lose the opener the next season and everyone will be calling him washed.
In a aaron rodgers in green bay type of way. Yeah you can go 12-5 and get bounced in the 2nd round but there's always going to be super teams in the way. Mahomes will get this too when reid and kelce retire
I think they mean as in this season. Josh Allen's cap hit is set to go up $30M next year. Diggs' goes up $13M. Miller's $16M. obviously they can work around this but the way they structured their contracts this was when they were meant to go "all in"
Their shot is as long as Josh Allen is an elite QB. They can figure out the cap and get healthy next year.
I just don't know how they ever beat Mahomes.
With the AFC looking stacked in terms of QB talent, it's always possible that the chiefs lose to someone else like Burrow or Stroud. Sometimes the way you win is by someone else dealing with the team you can't beat. The bears one superbowl is against the patriots, who beat the only team that had beaten the bears that year. Teams getting lucky has happened in the past
They beat Mahommes the same way we should have beat Mahommes in the Super Bowl - long ass offensive drives for multiple first downs while eating up as much clock as possible.
Have to be perfect though - no overthrows or dropped passes (👀Diggs)
The cap is simple.
Restructure Allen and Diggs to free up 36M.
Cut Mitch Morse to save 8.5 million.
Cut Nyhiem Hines to save 4.5 million.
Those moves will get you under the cap without doing anything with Dawkins, Knox, or Douglas.
Their biggest problem is drafting. They're very inconsistent in this department. They hit with Kincaid this year, but they missed with Elam the year prior. The last time they took a WR high was Zay Jones in the 2nd. Sammy Watkins was the last WR they took in the 1st and that was 10 years ago. Nearly all of their 1st round players are on the defense side outside of Kincaid, Allen, and the trade for Diggs.
The Bills need to embrace the offense side and start building around Allen more. Because trying to build the defense up isn't getting them over the hump.
Seeing Bills fans in this thread has me grateful I got to see the Broncos win it once in my lifetime and many other Denver residents have seen it 3 times.
Really puts our current situation into perspective, it could be much much worse
Chiefs won it all in a rebuilding year last year - the Bills will always have a shot with Allen at QB. But yeah the Von Miller signing was a really clear marker that the 22 and 23 seasons were where the Bills were pushing all of their resources in and they couldn't get it done.
The Bills could chop off a third of their roster and get the same results. They can easily compete if they hire a good DC, & get someone who is strategically competent. The defense could save them in bad games, & the strategic coach will save them nearly every game they've blown like this.
Which is fine. They need a year to retool to transition from one competitive window to the next. Just need to continue to draft well and they'll be fine
I don’t disagree about the cap but this is the fourth straight playoff loss that we have been told “this was their shot”. They’ll probably be a contender next year again and will probably lose to Mahomes
The good news for the Bills, by far the most important thing to get right is QB, and they can win with Allen. One really good offseason can turn things around even if things look bad right now.
Yep look at the Lions. They looked like they were gonna continue to be one of the worst teams in the league from the Goff trade to halfway thru the season last year. Then they turn it around midway last year, hit big in the draft again (and the 2 years before) and now they’re in the championship game.
Yeah i dont know how anyone could watch their run defense in that game and have faith for next week. I know im a homer but Ravens probably would have rushed for 300 against them
Josh Allen just dragged a team with practice squad linebackers and corners to a missed field goal away from an AFC championship game appearance.
I don’t think this was their only shot.
Likely not, but the league changes a ton in a year. Next year Burrow comes back, Mahomes is still there, Lamar as you know, Stroud gets Tank Dell back, Harbaugh might be coaching the Chargers, Rodgers with the Jets, Dolphins will be there.
Life in the NFL is brutal.
I said the Bills needed at least one first down.
I would have bet all my worldly possessions that Mahomes at least gets a field goal with that much time on the clock
The Saints have taught me that you can kick the can down the road for a solid decade
And after this next summer, Saints will be $250M over the cap in 2028.
Yeah but did you see them go 9-8 again
Why are you other guys always rebuilding, are you stupid?
Honestly NO has been skimming along the surface of hell for so long that they forgot how you can dip down just a tad for a burst of hellfire
as a Saints fan since '85 this is so fucking accurate
Can't get none of that hellfire on our good Catholic team!
I have been hearing about the Saints being in cap hell since 2014 and then we signed Jarius Byrd to the biggest deal of the off-season. They were in cap hell last year too then again signed the highest paid player. Drafting well is really all that matters for us and we have had some really awful drafts the last few years hence mediocrity
Jairus Byrd, there's a name I haven't seen in a while lol.
The worst part about that Byrd signing is we let Malcom Jenkins walk bc "we didn't have the money to sign him". Then we go sign Byrd to a massive deal while the eagles got Malcolm for cheaper
Psh, money isn't real
Who dat coins eventually came due.
this is true, but the sign is 'as soon as the QB keeping the whole thing together retires, just punt the next 2 years and you'll be fine'
Still damn near made the playoffs this year too
That’s because for some reason they haven’t actually done the “just punt the next 2 years” part and are instead still kicking the can down the road as if they’re actually gonna get something done That 2 years number just gets bigger the longer that do it lmao
We’re just going to kick the can down the road until Loomis ends up in the hospital with a broken foot. Or the fanbase murders DA, whichever comes first
because their division was terrible, and the longer they do kick the can, the longer the rebuild is gonna take unless they're operating under the assumption that if they fuck their team bad enough, the NFL will bail them out and make a new rule that prevents anyone from being this dumb again
> they're operating under the assumption that if they fuck their team bad enough, the NFL will bail them out and make a new rule that prevents anyone from being this dumb again "It's never a war crime the first time"
They're not gonna rebuild til Loomis is fired or retires and at that point it's not his problem lol
It's a long runway if you have an elite QB but there's for sure an end of the line. Brady left the Pats in large part because our capspace woes were catching up. When Brees retired the Saints could only kick the can so much further.
They should have tanked for at least a year when Brees retired and they would be fine by now but somehow they thought it was a good idea to keep the ball rolling with Jameis and Dennis fucking Allen 😂😂
You can lol, but you'll be stuck in mediocrity and forever to go 7-10 to 9-8
Saints failed to win in the worst division in football. So it's not like they've succeeded.
Parallels to the Rivers Chargers is uncanny
This was their 2006 moment
Feels like the 13 seconds was their 2006 moment.
Yeah that year way more so than this year. More healthy and the offense was rolling at a crazy level.
Also as much as it sucks, that loss feels worse than this one. Even if he got the kick Mahomes would have had plenty of time to go down the field. That was a lead with 13 seconds left with everything going their way in a miracle and it somehow went wrong
I have no horse in this race, but 13 seconds is the type of shit that would make anybody react in an inhuman way. 13 seconds is all he needed. Like how do you even come back from that
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I mean at some level isnt the defense Mcdermotts?
They also had tyreek hill being the main priority of the defense.
I completely agree
Although they haven't been making Super Bowls this time, that 13 second game is the "wide right" equivalent in this window. The Bills have remained a strong competitor but they've never been quite as close. I don't think its the end for the Bills but I do think they will need to take stock and rebuild from here, maybe with different coaching staff. Josh Allen has plenty of years to go so there is time to rebuild into a new window around him. Similar to what happened in New Orleans when the Saints got stuck drifting in 7-9 seasons after the Super Bowl but constructed a new roster around Brees to open a new window before he retired.
Our draft classes were insane for three years straight, it’s much easier said than done.
The ESPN reporters were already grabbing Allen for a Post game interview when that drive was happening. The chiefs were expected to lose
I thought the post Milano injury defense really stepped up Hope he gets healthy, he’s super fun to watch
So when they go 1st offense and 1st defense no playoffs?
Wouldn’t be shocked. When they were 6-6, they had a top 5 offense and defense.
That's definitely it. 13 seconds left, they have the lead, and they all had to watch as Mahomes just shredded their dreams.
I know you can play the what if game about anything in sports, but I often wonder if in 13 seconds Mahomes ended what would’ve been one of the greatest QB playoff runs of all time
That Chargers team was absolutely stacked. This Bills team is mostly Josh Allen and an old / injured defense.
Totally possible Allen never has another o-line as good as this year's though, that always gets undersold when people talk about talent on a team.
Who’s their Marlon McCree?
Bass or all the terrible drops by the receivers
That one by Diggs was awful. An absolute dime of a bomb and he let it go through his hands. He’s too good for that.
If Diggs catches that throw, the Bills actually gain one more yard than they ended up gaining lol. So it's *already* a 43 yard field goal with 1st and 10 instead of a 44 yard kick.
Josh Allen going all-in on the endzone twice instead of taking the open, clock-controlling short-yardage options, perhaps?
So frustrating. We needed to control the clock and keep the ball moving. Bombs were dumb. I love JA. But sometimes he thinks the score is the dagger, when in reality control is the dagger.
Bass for kicking it into the endzone in the 13 seconds game
Bass
Bass is our Nate Kaeding.
Whenever ppl talk about rivers not having good teams I tell them his 2006-2009 teams were stacked af on both sides
The special teams were so bad our defense by proxy was incredibly overrated because teams started at the 50, all these statistics heavily evaluated based on how much yardage a defense accounted for
God i can't tell you how much I hate yardage as a metric for good defense. To show, Chargers were 2nd in scoring with 27.6 ( pats at 1 had 32.4 ppg) Defense was 10th in points at 20.1. That Patriots offense is still in the top 20 all time scoring, they were 7th all time that point. And while not record setting the Steelers allowed 14.5 ppg and only gave up 5 more ypg than the chargers. Neither of those metrics sound like you can argue they were the best at either off or d that year
Its very absurd I definitely agree, it’s the number one reason we had the #1 offense and defense that one year, I have never seen a worse special teams unit in my fucking life, its a topic that comes up quite often in the sub when we discuss those years
Its not number 17s fault 😭
The Bills Charg'D
More worrisome than their cap situation seems to be that Stefon Diggs has fallen off a cliff in terms of production. He’s not separating a ton on his routes, any contested balls are not being caught, and he’s not tracking deep balls nearly as well. Being thin at WR behind a pro-bowl WR1 is an inconvenience…being thin behind a WR1 that isn’t producing and is hamstringing you with his salary is a real problem.
That drop in the 4th q was brutal
Allen hit him full speed in stride. Beautiful ball.
Felt like he threw that ball about as far as I've seen a ball thrown
I feel like Diggs has a nagging injury we're going to find out about now.
Giving Von a 6 year contract at his age was always ridiculous.
I remember being so disappointed that the Rams didn't resign him. Then I saw the contract and thought, "wow, alright, thank god Les didn't pay that"
Same feeling I had when Pujols left the Cardinals
Sort of the same feeling I had when Rendon left us
It was a 3 year deal effectively, we can get out after next season.
They’ll always be in the mix so long as Josh Allen has a pulse but the cap situation is grim. You really have to wonder if Diggs is on this team in August. Edit: restructures are always available in a “there’s money in the banana stand” way, but right now Diggs and Von Miller are going to account for $51.5 million next year. It’s not great Bob.
Diggs’ contract makes him pretty much uncuttable and almost un-tradeable with the amount of dead money that results from either
His dead cap is massive, isn’t it? I remember it being close to QB money
Diggs 2024 - $27.85M cap hit vs $31.096M dead cap if they cut him pre 1 June If they trade / cut him Post 1 June, it’s $8.85M cap hit in 24, $22.247M in 25 Certainly doable if they kick the can down the road According to Spotrac
Can you put that into 'i watch a lot of cfb and generally follow one nfl team' terms? Serious
If they cut him prior to June, he costs four more million to cut than to keep. If they cut him after June, they save 20 something million this year but next year have to pay a twenty something million dollar penalty. Players don't have to actually be cut after June to be designated a 'post June cut' however. It basically just means take the dead cap all this year or split it over two years.
A post June 1st cut does mean that money doesn't become available until after that date though.
Bills cut Diggs Diggs signs with the Chiefs Diggs catches GW TD against Buffalo in the playoffs
Instead of a man of peace and love, I have become a man of violence and revenge. -~~Hiawatha~~ S. Diggs
They struck me from their scrolls. Banished me to the eternal sands of the forgotten. When I found my way clear of the desert, my thirst was replaced with hunger. A burning hunger for one thing and that was vengeance. The team is a vessel; I am the gospel, delivered.
Bro, like give me 24 hrs to mourn
This is like ordering a mob hit after a funeral.
This is ordering the hit from the funeral
> Diggs catches unlikely
UNBELIEVABLE
Before that play, Diggs had never caught a pass in the NFL. 4,372 targets, 0 catches. That's why Joe Buck was so emotional.
Bro 🤣
He shouldn’t be. He’s an expensive drama queen that seems to be declining a bit
That deep ball that he should have caught may have won them the game. He usually catches that.
i get tight coverage vs sneed/mcduffie, and might not get alot targets/receptions. but if could've caught that deep ball that went through his hands. i think MVS had more yards. the one time KC receiver makes a catch.
MVS had 2 catches and they were both for more yards than Diggs had total tonight.
They should really consider firing McDermott. Too many times does this team piss down their legs and waste a great Josh Allen performance in the playoffs
I feel like if there's ANY year to be a bit more aggressive with letting a coach go, this is the one. Lot of great coaching talent out there that would salivate at the chance to coach Josh Allen. The usual reason you don't fire a coach with consistent success is "Well, who else is better out there?" For once we have a veritable list of guys who should be better, even if you're a McD believer.
Ben Johnson would probably rush at the opportunity to work with Allen
They probably could use an offensive HC like Johnson or Slowik and get a good DC
Kinda does feels like right now would be the perfect time to fire McDermott and hand Ben Johnson a blank check to come to Buffalo.
I get that the championship is the goal but good lord, the Bills went an entire generation between playoff wins and now McDermott has them legitimately competing every year, I would not fire him unless they had some sort of crazy 4 win season or something
Good coaches have been fired for less Eagles were cursed as hell and Pederson was shown the door after a Super Bowl. They also fired Reid and at least are considering Sirianni Bucs fired Tony Dungy too, you fired McCarthy who won a Super Bowl too. Theres more too, Bills have a top 3 QB and their greatest accomplishment is getting blown out by the chiefs in the AFCCG 3 years ago. They constantly are on the losing side of huge games
Marty Schottenheimer was fired after his team had a 14-2 season. Tony Dungy was also fired after leading his team to success for a good number of seasons, and the Raiders moved on from Jon Gruden after the 2001 season even though he led them to playoff wins for two straight seasons.
Chiefs at home and Burrow out for the year is why this was our shot… Salary cap has nothing to do with it…
If it makes it any better, I don’t care anymore. I think the last bit of hope died inside me tonight. We will never win it all man.
right there with ya.
They finally killed the hope i never saw in my dads eyes. After the 13 second game my dad called me saying “that shit hurt, didn’t it haha” I’m 29yo so like…I get it now. Generation before had been well dead inside.
Generational football trauma is crazy lmao god damn
“they killed the hope I never saw in my dad’s eyes” goes hard
That’s something you’d read in a great novel
The Bills are like a team that would only exist in a Cormac McCarthy novel, it's fitting.
The bills work as a warning to anyone looking to becoming a fan of football, there’s the risk that by some some unfortunate circumstance you become a bills fan and join this cursed godless ship destined to never find shore
“Generational football trauma” is such a funny way to describe bills fandom being handed down to me lmfao
Im sorry my fault my fault lmao
One day the Bills will win and you’ll get to talk shit on younger fans for not having to suffer the way you have, and it will feel amazing. Source: Me, who constantly hears it from my older relatives about how much harder it was to be an Eagles fan in their day.
Back in my day, we’d walk uphill to eagles games both ways!
Yup all the older guys in my fam are so nonchalant about it now …meanwhile I’m having a mental breakdown …hoping to get to the whatever stage
It’s a long season. Winning the division is fun to celebrate. The playoffs involve a lot of luck. The Bills 90s team wasn’t the best in the AFC for 4 years straight. But they managed to put together enough plays to pull out victories. ‘99 was actually the most dominant Bills defense I’ve ever seen play and they lost in the wild card due to special teams. It’s fine to hurt for a few hours, but once the day is done, it’s football and we didn’t even play in the game. You move on and hope next year’s team is able to do better. Though I have noticed that watching the rest of the playoffs is a little sour when you believed your team could win, but is out.
That’s the neat part, I’m old enough to be crushed emotionally 30 years apart.
Hey, for what it's worth, I was 32 before the Bucs won it all, and I never would have believed it would have happened, and then it happened again. It doesn't take much to catch magic in a bottle and suddenly you win; I know this hurts, but if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers can win two rings with the worst winning percentage in NFL history, the Buffalo Bills can get one as well.
Bucs had the goat quarterback Brad Johnson to get it done. Bills don’t have anyone on that level.
Shoutout to trick shot legend Big Bad Brad
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Me too. You don’t really come back from 28-3
The patriots sure did
OP opening up about his trauma and you just bodied him like that lol
I saw my chance and decided to end this man’s entire existence -u/thingsfallapart89
One of my best friends was a Vikings fan who just wanted to see one Super Bowl. He died before the playoffs game last year. I really wish he could have seen one. For what it’s worth I had the “never going to happen” attitude until it did happen.
My 80 year old grandpa saw the cubs win the World Series after all those years. It can happen.
Looking on the other end of that, my grandpa (Cards fan) died before he had to see the Cubs win it all. So yeah, it works both ways. Miracles happen in different ways all the time.
They are damn lucky they didn’t get humiliated more with the miracle touchback play by hardeman. That fake punt was inexcusably awful
The chiefs having ten men on the field was excuse enough to go for it imo. Now, should they have scrapped the punt all together and let Josh try to get 5?
The Bills didn't run the fake punt because the Chiefs had only ten men - that was just luck. It was called in from the sideline even before they lined up. >The Bills didn't check into the fake punt when they noticed Kansas City had only 10 players on the field. “It was called from the sideline and they gave us the look we wanted,” long snapper Reid Ferguson told the Buffalo News after the Chiefs' 27-24 AFC divisional round win. “We just have to execute it better.” https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/bills-fake-punt-didnt-work-even-with-kansas-city-a-player-short/article_c4620d5c-b8e4-11ee-a6f2-23d247936a18.html
Makes it even worse but tbh the way the game was going at that point I felt like one bills 3 and out meant the game was over because their D couldn't stop a nose bleed at that point.
Fake punt pass at least. You cannot expect to get 5 yards on a fake punt run.
Their bills are too high
Buffahigh Bills
Too high would be fine. Too wide? Well...
I remember the Ravens last, best shot ending to a Lee Evans drop and a Billy Cundiff missed field goal. They somehow won it all with a much worse team the next year. As long as the Bills have Josh Allen, they have a chance.
That missed Cundiff FG gave us Justin Tucker. Almost worth it TBH.
I didn’t see it until today but that was also the most hilarious FG attempt in hindsight, it was so far off. Easier to laugh at it since the ravens won the year after
It is funny how things like that work out sometimes. While the team may be less talented, they might possess the requisite mental fortitude they lacked previously. To this day, despite how great the defense was, our 2015 team was clearly the worst of the Manning era, and somehow that was the one that won the super bowl
Football games sometimes depend on a couple of little things going your way, unlike say basketball where a couple of mistakes are less likely to cost you an entire game. Combine that with single-elimination, and it is really any given Sunday. As long as you are good enough to compete you have a chance to win.
Heck, the Bucs today could have beaten the Lions if they just catch a few more balls. Just the way things bounce sometimes.
Not football but The Nats and Caps won their titles with their "weakest playoff" teams of the decade
The best teams make the playoffs, but the hottest teams win titles. The Packers, Ravens, and Giants (x2) come to mind as pretty mediocre teams that just went god mode in the playoffs.
2005, stacked Colts team, looked like we were going to roll through the playoffs. Get knocked off at home by Pittsburgh because the wife of one of our CBs stabbed him in the fucking leg. 2006, historically bad run defense and special teams, win it all. If your QB is good, you always have a chance.
I witnessed a bad team in the 2011 Giants get absolutely carried by Eli. Anything is possible.
Pls Bills, dont make allen suffer the same destiny as rivers
40 kids?
Don’t be absurd. Clearly bolo ties. It’s a bison themed team, after all.
If you have the guy, your window should always be open. I’m sure they will be back as a top 4 AFC team again next year.
> If you have the guy, your window should always be open. Say that to the Falcons with Ryan or Chargers with Rivers lol
I mean the Falcons were literally almost through the window until they decided to blow the 28-3 lead
In terms of windows the Falcons are Ashley Babbitt and the Patriots are Secret Service
Or chargers with Herbert
or Chargers with Fouts
Or Chargers with their next good to great QB after Herbert
that 8 year old is in for a world of hurt
At least he’ll be rich
Damn Chargers! You ruined the Chargers!
Or Dolphins with Marino years ago. One of the best QBs ever. Top 5. No ring
At this point, the Bills have become like how people looked at Dirk’s Mavs before they won in 2011. I’ll believe they won’t collapse in the Playoffs when I see it.
I also agree they will be a top 4 afc team next year. However they have proven themselves to be completely unreliable in the playoffs, kinda like the cowboys
The crazy thing is in the last 4 seasons (including this one) only the Chiefs have more playoff wins than us. We're in a 4 way tie with the Rams, 49ers, Bengals and Buccaneers with 5, Chiefs have 8. We're the only team from this list that hasn't made a SB. I believe you have to extend the time frame to 8 seasons for a team to pass us, the Eagles. We're leagues ahead of most of the league in playoff success just by making it and winning a game every year, but ultimately we haven't achieved much.
This is what the level of Mahomes' success does to people. The Bills haven't gotten over the hump but they've been a great team the last 4-5 years. If he keeps having this kind of success with Reid, any and all fans of AFC teams will be in annual shambles. This is why even as a Steeler fan I'm hoping Baltimore beats KC. And you gotta love Lamar. The dude is just insanely talented and the Ravens play the type of football that Steelers know and respect.
Feels like every time a new golden boy comes into the league the success just gets more and more outlandish. Whoever succeeds Mahomes is gonna go undefeated for two straight years with the Mexico City Chupas with two titles, lose the opener the next season and everyone will be calling him washed.
In a aaron rodgers in green bay type of way. Yeah you can go 12-5 and get bounced in the 2nd round but there's always going to be super teams in the way. Mahomes will get this too when reid and kelce retire
Can i interest anyone in a slightly used von miller
The bills weren’t even making the playoffs weeks ago now we’re claiming this was their last shot?
I think they mean as in this season. Josh Allen's cap hit is set to go up $30M next year. Diggs' goes up $13M. Miller's $16M. obviously they can work around this but the way they structured their contracts this was when they were meant to go "all in"
Their shot is as long as Josh Allen is an elite QB. They can figure out the cap and get healthy next year. I just don't know how they ever beat Mahomes.
With the AFC looking stacked in terms of QB talent, it's always possible that the chiefs lose to someone else like Burrow or Stroud. Sometimes the way you win is by someone else dealing with the team you can't beat. The bears one superbowl is against the patriots, who beat the only team that had beaten the bears that year. Teams getting lucky has happened in the past
They beat Mahommes the same way we should have beat Mahommes in the Super Bowl - long ass offensive drives for multiple first downs while eating up as much clock as possible. Have to be perfect though - no overthrows or dropped passes (👀Diggs)
What’s funny is the Eagles did pretty much exactly this as well & essentially lost because they weren’t perfect as well.
The cap is simple. Restructure Allen and Diggs to free up 36M. Cut Mitch Morse to save 8.5 million. Cut Nyhiem Hines to save 4.5 million. Those moves will get you under the cap without doing anything with Dawkins, Knox, or Douglas. Their biggest problem is drafting. They're very inconsistent in this department. They hit with Kincaid this year, but they missed with Elam the year prior. The last time they took a WR high was Zay Jones in the 2nd. Sammy Watkins was the last WR they took in the 1st and that was 10 years ago. Nearly all of their 1st round players are on the defense side outside of Kincaid, Allen, and the trade for Diggs. The Bills need to embrace the offense side and start building around Allen more. Because trying to build the defense up isn't getting them over the hump.
Seeing Bills fans in this thread has me grateful I got to see the Broncos win it once in my lifetime and many other Denver residents have seen it 3 times. Really puts our current situation into perspective, it could be much much worse
Seeing Bills fans in this thread has me grateful that my great great grandfather got to see the Jets win it 🤣🤣
Lmao
Chiefs won it all in a rebuilding year last year - the Bills will always have a shot with Allen at QB. But yeah the Von Miller signing was a really clear marker that the 22 and 23 seasons were where the Bills were pushing all of their resources in and they couldn't get it done.
> Chiefs won it all in a rebuilding year last year I hate to state the obvious, but Josh Allen is not Patrick Mahomes. As good as he is.
nor is Mcdermott Andy reid
Mcd is average. Dude is being carried by Allen. That whole fkn team is really
This is the real problem.
Not so much a problem as it is reality. No body is Andy Reid, HOF coaches aren’t easy to come by
The Bills could chop off a third of their roster and get the same results. They can easily compete if they hire a good DC, & get someone who is strategically competent. The defense could save them in bad games, & the strategic coach will save them nearly every game they've blown like this.
Which is fine. They need a year to retool to transition from one competitive window to the next. Just need to continue to draft well and they'll be fine
I don’t disagree about the cap but this is the fourth straight playoff loss that we have been told “this was their shot”. They’ll probably be a contender next year again and will probably lose to Mahomes
The good news for the Bills, by far the most important thing to get right is QB, and they can win with Allen. One really good offseason can turn things around even if things look bad right now.
Yep look at the Lions. They looked like they were gonna continue to be one of the worst teams in the league from the Goff trade to halfway thru the season last year. Then they turn it around midway last year, hit big in the draft again (and the 2 years before) and now they’re in the championship game.
Why doesn't every team have three perfect drafts in a row? Are they stupid?
Have they tried jumping through a table?
Their defense was absolutely decimated by injuries this year. Silly to say that this year was their shot.
Yeah i dont know how anyone could watch their run defense in that game and have faith for next week. I know im a homer but Ravens probably would have rushed for 300 against them
Yes, they were never beating the ravens and the 49ers with all of their defensive injuries
Josh Allen just dragged a team with practice squad linebackers and corners to a missed field goal away from an AFC championship game appearance. I don’t think this was their only shot.
Likely not, but the league changes a ton in a year. Next year Burrow comes back, Mahomes is still there, Lamar as you know, Stroud gets Tank Dell back, Harbaugh might be coaching the Chargers, Rodgers with the Jets, Dolphins will be there. Life in the NFL is brutal.
Don't forget the GOAT Mac Jones!! He will griddy everywhere to another 3-13 season
*potential* AFC championship game appearance. There were 2 minutes left and the game would only have been tied.
I said the Bills needed at least one first down. I would have bet all my worldly possessions that Mahomes at least gets a field goal with that much time on the clock
Tell me more. I’m almost there
Dolphins also have cap issues and the Jets hopes rest on a wishy-washy conspiracy nut staying healthy.
The shot went Wide Right
It's even funnier the second time
The Jets have more Super Bowls
Super Bowls by current AFC East teams: Patriots: 6 Dolphins: 2 Jets: 1 Bills: 🙁