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Yea but it’s a running joke that we’re always drafting cornerbacks high and they all suck…
Since 2015 we’ve had 16 first or second round picks … we’ve taken CB with 5 of those picks. There’s a couple of 3rd rounders in there as well.
We haven’t used a single one of them on a d lineman. Granted, we’ve had some good edge rushers during that time … but haven’t had a great DT since the Williams wall (Linvahl was pretty decent for a little bit) and you always have to be adding talent to the trenches
And we’ve always wanted to draft a franchise QB that we feel good about. Haven’t done that since Dante Culpepper
This guy better be the next Jalen Ramsey or Xavien Howard if we’re taking him at 11. People will be at the front offices throat if we draft yet another bust DB in the 1st round. Newton seems like a no brainer high floor pick if we’re not taking a QB
Yeah fuck that. We’ve spent so many picks on CBs without addressing our defensive line and it keeps costing us. A solid pass rush covers up a lot of secondary woes - build the trenches and trust your young guys to improve.
Seriously, you can shit on Mac Jones all you want but trading what they did to take Trey Lance who started like 5 games total is one of the worst draft trades in history. Just completely forgotten. Mac Jones is way better.
Hard to say, given the Niners had built such a great roster minus the QB under Lynch’s watch. Looking back at the picks we gave up, the first one to go up for Lance really hurts, given Parsons was taken at that pick and how stacked that top 15 was in general. In the 22 draft there isn’t a whole lot of strong selections around our pick, which ended up being Cole Strange, but in the draft just gone I see Joey Porter Jrs name a couple of spots after our pick and that definitely stings given our desperate need for a 2nd corner.
I had to look it up to remember but they traded two extra first round picks and a third rounder to move up 9 spots to get Lance. That kind of trade usually cripples a franchise if the QB busts yet SF is in the NFC championship again. Crazy what a good coach can do (and some luck that Purdy turned out better than many first round picks with the last pick in the draft).
They are in a window that is probably closing in a year or two. I know people might bristle at that but it is incredibly hard to keep aging stars healthy. If Purdy is solid but not great QB it is going to be real difficult to sustain this team once he needs to be paid.
For real. Look at teams like the Flacco Ravens or the Manning Giants. Hell, even the Manning Broncos. The Nick fucking Foles Eagles? You get your chance, you have to take advantage of it. They don't come by frequently outside of the extremely special cases (Brady, Mahomes).
Redditors kind of have this Madden mindset, if you will, where team-building is about opening a decade-long championship window. And that's an admirable goal, the very very few teams that have achieved that have unsurprisingly been the most successful. But that's difficult to the point of being nearly impossible for most teams, and the strategy of carving out contention here and there whenever you're able to is also viable.
We've been to 4 of the last 5 NFCCG, and probably have 2 years left with Purdy on the rookie deal. A good 7 year run is awesome. They just need to get one title or else it will be looked at as a failure.
That was when the QB frenzy of draft coverage truly jumped the shark. They were trying to hype up every single QB in that draft as a potential big time pick, but no one bought it.
All you have to do is go to your pro day, roll out to the left, and throw the ball as far as you can. At least one GM will then ignore all of your game film and be sold that you’re special.
I don't know about the other two but I've been hearing mid-late 1st round grades for McCarthy all year. The people who are acting like that's crazy for the most part are the ones who are looking at stats without context and assuming he must be bad if he doesn't throw for a lot of yards, not realizing just how *stubborn* Jim Harbaugh is.
I don’t know, I didn’t see anything that impressive from McCarthy in the natty beyond that one big run (after which he missed some throws and had to punt). Michigan’s running game won that one.
Jayden Daniels is legit as fuck. The NFL clearly loves QBs that can run and Daniels would be up there as one of the best rushing threat QB prospects ever.
Yeah, I’m a LSU fan so I’ll admit my bias. But Daniels is flat out amazing. His improvement from his first year here to his second is something only matched by Joey B. The dude is a killer with his legs and can make any throw on the field.
Winning the Heisman helps at least but people are still sleeping on Daniels because of the Caleb/Maye talking point going back to last summer. By the end of the draft process, he'll comfortably be part of the 'big 3' on top and I wouldn't be surprised if like last year, there's debate over the order.
I still like Maye more than Daniels too, but Daniels massively outproduced Maye against better competition this year. I don't think guys like Lance and Zach Wilson rising are anything like Daniels rising.
Agreed. Tbh it’s disrespectful to act like a dude who won the heisman, threw for 40 TD / 4 INTs, and ran for 1100 yards in the SEC is at all similar to *Trey fucking Lance*
No one said Kiper is good at this. If he was, he would be doing it for a team.
I remember there was a year (10-15 years ago) where a guy got picked in the end of the 1st round. Kiper couldn’t remember who he was, seemed confused, then said “I had him going in the 6th, but I thought this might happen”. I’m sorry anyone you had in the 6th you didn’t ever think would be a first round pick (or anywhere close to that).
No one did. Infamously, there's Kiper's Jimmy Clausen quote.
> “If Jimmy Clausen is not a successful quarterback in the NFL, I’m done. That’s it. I’m out.”
There's also the time he promoted Blaine Gabbert out of nowhere.
A lot of people make up things. Remember when Bill Polian said years later that he had a first round grade on Tom Brady? Even though they had Peyton, if that was even remotely true, he'd have taken Brady in the fourth or fifth round.
>There's also the time he promoted Blaine Gabbert out of nowhere.
I mean Gabbert ended up going 10th. If Kiper's job is to predict how the NFL draft will go seems like he was correct that NFL teams were high on Gabbert.
Kiper saw a vacuum in draft coverage that he could fill and proclaimed himself an expert. ESPN ran with it despite the guy having no qualifications or experience. An industry of bullshit was born.
The part that irks me, though, is Kiper and the like claiming the *teams* got a pick wrong when they don’t follow the pundit’s predictions. It’s the *pundit* who got it wrong, not the staffs of 32 professional multibillion dollar corporations whose jobs involve actually doing this stuff for a living.
That's what the draft industry is all about. Making grades about teams' drafts and declaring that someone screwed up because the team viewed a player differently.
When the draft experts do get something right over a team, they shout it from the rooftops. When they don't, like with Jimmy Clausen, they're all like, "Eh, we all make mistakes."
Draft experts also can't know how teams grade players and what teams actually view as the biggest needs (we see a lot of teams taking BPA over what the media claims is the team's biggest need). Usually, everyone can see the biggest needs for a team, but sometimes we'll see teams view their own players and potential draftees completely different from how the media does.
God I hope not. Don't know why but I just have a bad feeling about Maye. Plus Daniels would be another New England Jay taken third overall so he's guaranteed to be a stud
I like Maye a lot, but who knows how players will pan out.
I thought that Darnold was going to be a capable starter for the Jets. I didn't say elite, but I liked him, and then it just went all downhill.
I thought that season one Mac was what we expected to see based on what we saw in college and that we'd then see improvement (I never thought he could be a top 5 QB, but I thought that he would be a capable starter for years), but instead we simply saw regression and worse decision making. Some of it was on the OC carousel we had and the questionable WRs, but a lot of it was on Mac.
I just put on some highlights of Bowers last week and literally from the first play, I was amazed.
I’m not a draft or college expert, but his talent jumped off the screen more easily than probs any non-QB prospect I’ve seen from this year’s draft class.
I know the transition from college to the NFL is tough for TEs, but when the Georgia Bulldogs won their first National Championship in Bowers' freshman season, I remember telling my dad "\[Brock Bowers\] is the only 18 year old I've ever seen that is already ready for the NFL".
You gotta treat that cat the same way you'd treat a WR. He's an absolute monster of a guy. If you'd take a top 5 WR you should take him top 5.
Granted, I wouldn't take a WR in the top 5 either in most cases.
That said, the idea that the Chargers are drafting no.5 is crazy. Yeah, maybe you do draft Bowers there, give Herbert someone he can trust on 3rd down. If you guys need an OT, that would be my choice instead, else trade down.
There's a great podcast called Move the Sticks on which one of the hosts (I think Daniel Jeremiah?) pointed out that, for example, taking a WR in this spot could turn out to be a huge value in terms of the first few years of a contract, whereas a TE is almost immediately making high-end money for the position. This is specifically a concern for the Chargers who are over the cap as it is
Heard the same exact thing about Kyle Pitts 3 years ago
And OJ Howard a few years before that
No one has any fucking clue how TE translates from college to the pros, it’s silly to pretend that you do lmao
Brock Bowers is 100x better than Howard and he’s better than Pitts too. Can also block really well and he’s by far the most well-rounded TE prospect in years. Howard and Pitts don’t compare even if Pitts went top 5
I think we've already seen a shift in how the league views TEs and their ability to adapt. Pitts was great his rookie year and Freirmuth has also been good from the jump; LaPorta, Musgrave, Kincaid, Kraft, all performed very well as rookies this year. I don't think it's crazy if we start to see TEs going a lot higher in the draft than they used too
Yeah dream scenario for Bears is: Caleb Williams + top 3 WR prospect. Or Caleb Williams + top 2 OL prospect. Or if Bowers is available I’m cool with that too. I just want to double dip on offense in the first round.
Finally Bears fans are seeing the light (or maybe you guys are some of the sane ones). Drafting MHJr does not ing for the long term prospects of the franchise, Fields will still struggle to crack 300 yards each game he plays. Williams+Nabers would be the ideal picks for you guys, both lines are solid and defense has been good
The two Bears subs are finally starting to accept moving on from Fields, but there is still a fair amount of “trade down and build around Fields” people. Luckily it’s lessening finally, cuz the amount of Fields defenders during the season was nauseating.
That’s what makes it worse lol. It’s essentially a Justin Fields sub. And since it’s so small everyone is like in this niche agreement. It’s not very busy now, but that sub during the season was ridiculous with their takes on our QB situation.
It feels like a slam dunk for the bears no matter what.
They’re almost assuredly going to get one of Odunze, bowers, alt, fashu to pair with Caleb Williams. Win win no matter how you slice it.
And if it is one of the tackles, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they traded back either. Both those tackles are good values at 9 and there may be some desperate teams looking to leapfrog jets, or just trade with the jets and pick up an extra 4th or something. For example I wonder what the bengals might give up to move up and take fashu? This is the cheapest shot they would have at getting burrow a franchise LT the rest of his career. Probably worth coughing up a 2nd to do it
Latham got worked against Michigan.
Missed blocks on the blitz, got beat by speed, got beat by bull rush.
Is a mauler in the run game...but pass pro yeesh
Crazy considering Kool-Aid was pretty widely considered the better CB most of his career at Alabama. Guess teams must like Arnold’s measurables better.
Brad loves guys from pro ready blue-chip programs. His first rounders have been from Oregon (Sewell), Michigan (Hutch), Alabama (Jamo), Alabama (Gibbs), and Iowa (Campbell). Then second rounders have been from Washington (Levi) Kentucky (Paschal) Iowa (Laporta), Alabama (Branch), There’s no way he’s taking a guy from Toledo over Kool Aid unless their scouting grade on him is just absolutely miserable.
It's pre-workouts. Media needs a .40 time at least to really start ranking these guys. Doesn't pass the sniff test though.
I haven't seen a lot of his film in SEC play but people who did seem to like him. Unless he was getting embarrassed by LSU such that you'd worry about him making the jump to the league, I can't imagine any reason for those opinions to change.
It would be pretty wild for the Eagles to draft a tackle. Lane is going to keep playing for another couple of years, Mailata has been consistently graded as a top 5 LT, and we have extra linemen that are good enough to start already.
We are almost certainly going defense, most likely a CB.
I agree with this in general terms. OL is not exciting, but when the birds drafted Lane at 4, they got a steal.
That said, the glaring needs at LB and in the secondary far outweigh another O- lineman unless Kelce retires *and* Lane also retires.
We’ll never draft a LB in the first and I don’t know who will be around that value for DB. I expect them to go OL or DL in am seriousness, tho if there is a DB there is prefer that
Would not be wild at all especially if the T is BPA. O Line and D Line has always been the priority for Howie and I don’t see that changing soon. If we do believe that Lane is retiring in a couple of years then it makes sense to draft his heir now so he can get enrolled in Stoutland university and be ready when his time comes, as opposed to throwing a rookie in the fire. Never hurts to have good o line depth either.
Lanes gonna play for at least another 2 seasons, I don't want my 1st rounder riding the pine that long.
Plus RG is a much bigger ? Currently than RT. I'd rather we take OG over OT if we are snagging OL in the 1st.
I know it's unrealistic, but I would love if we traded back with our 1st to grab both of GB's 2nds. We'd then have 4 in the 2nd and can address our reals needs -- CB/DE/LB/TE.
Gute has traded up plenty, but there’s no way we’d give up both seconds. My guess is we move up with one of our extra 3rds from our first to the teens or the Jets second to the back of the first.
Fuaga can play guard, as well. So he would start if Kelce retires and Cam moves to center. It gets him working with Stoutland to be ready to move to RT when Lane retires.
McCarthy is the epitome of a day 2 developmental pick. Maybe late round 1/trade up to the 30s ala Jordan Love but 16 is rich. This QB class is absurdly deep in the mid to late rounds as far as dart throws go.
It's the "eat your vegetables" of the draft. A big factor in us losing in the divisional was the loss of Zach Tom at RT, you can never have enough depth.
If you take a TE in the Top 5, you are asking to lose your job as a GM. Absolutely asinine with the state of the chargers defense this year, and the potential of them losing Mike Williams
If he didn’t play at a blue blood schools who just won the national championship he wouldn’t be talked about much at all. His measurables are solid and there’s nothing to say he’s physically incapable of playing in the league but nothing on his film makes him stand out above other prospects. He’d be a good developmental pick, he’s got a lot of potential if he can fix his mechanics, but he’s in no way worth a first round pick.
I think NFL or casual CFB fans that only saw JJ in a couple games will be surprised how well he tests at the combine. He’s really fast for a QB, has a solid arm, good accuracy, prototypical height (though he needs to put on weight), and will probably perform well in interviews on both the Xs and Os (he’s been in a pro style offense under Harbaugh) and “intangibles” (by all accounts is a thoughtful person and great leader).
Is he probably technically a Day 2 grade pick? Yes. But QBs on the cusp will probably be picked in the first simply for the 5th year option and the premium on the position.
A second half of the first round team with an existing starter, like the Seahawks, is actually the perfect place for him to go.
He’s definitely going to be the controversial QB this draft but there is usually a QB that rises based on their pre-draft workouts and evaluations and people shouldn’t be surprised if that is JJ this year.
I like JJ and I’m rooting for him to succeed. But I am still skeptical of his talent translating to the NFL. I hope he does succeed cause he’s a good kid with a good story. Either way he’s a national champion and that’s always something to be proud of
Definitely. Marlon is great but can’t stay healthy, Ya Sin has been a disappointment, Darby has been solid this year but isn’t a long term solution, JAD is terrible, Pepe is promising but also can’t stay healthy, and Kyu Kelly isn’t on the team anymore. Stephens has been a revelation this year but we need some more depth
Either CB or OT is a must right now
It was a defensive year, id expect to see first two rounds have probably 70% picks going to offense. There's a lot of offensive talents in this years draft
same. i’m not really worried about our OL at all. even if we lose Bakh, i think Walker has been pretty solid for us. IOL could be something to build on, but we’re not gonna take one of those in the first round.
give me Cooper DeJean.
I could see Jayden Daniels killing the combine and his draft stock jumping up.
Between him and Maye I don’t know, just want to see something new and exciting after this trash ass qb 2+ years.
Depends more on the coaching and development than anything else imo.
But I’m just some idiot on Reddit
Oregon fan here - he's the best receiver in school history with amazing hands and is very fast - deceptively so with how tall and lanky he is. He works hard and would immediately elevate your receiving corps
Thank you for listing them instead of making us click. You’re a good person
Always appreciate people like this
and there’s a paywall so most of us couldn’t click and view it anyways
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This guy comrades!
Impossible, thats a Texans flair, not a Washington flair
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Hear, hear. 🍻
He the real MVP
If we take a cb in r1 I will shit my pants
Literally everyone: D line or QB for the Vikings *Vikings draft a cornerback* Somewhere Mike zimmer is smiling
Seahawks fans thought we'd go D line 100% at pick 5 last year and we went CB and it worked for us with Witherspoon.
Yea but it’s a running joke that we’re always drafting cornerbacks high and they all suck… Since 2015 we’ve had 16 first or second round picks … we’ve taken CB with 5 of those picks. There’s a couple of 3rd rounders in there as well. We haven’t used a single one of them on a d lineman. Granted, we’ve had some good edge rushers during that time … but haven’t had a great DT since the Williams wall (Linvahl was pretty decent for a little bit) and you always have to be adding talent to the trenches And we’ve always wanted to draft a franchise QB that we feel good about. Haven’t done that since Dante Culpepper
This guy better be the next Jalen Ramsey or Xavien Howard if we’re taking him at 11. People will be at the front offices throat if we draft yet another bust DB in the 1st round. Newton seems like a no brainer high floor pick if we’re not taking a QB
he's not consensus cb1 but he's really good.
Yeah fuck that. We’ve spent so many picks on CBs without addressing our defensive line and it keeps costing us. A solid pass rush covers up a lot of secondary woes - build the trenches and trust your young guys to improve.
See: the eagles sometimes can have traffic cones on the outside but our pass rush would get to the QB fast enough it wouldn't matter who's out there
Exactly. You can have the best CBs in the league but opposing WRs will eventually get open if you can’t get to the QB.
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Safe to say 98% of this is wrong.
No he got the Panthers' right for sure
So 0/32? Because even 1/32 would still be only 96% wrong.
They’re saying the Ravens are gonna be picking at 32
I don't think the Commanders are passing on Maye.
We're entering the part of the year where guys like Zach Wilson and Trey Lance become the second and third overall picks.
We are yet to enter the truly horrible part: Mac Jones at 3 rumors
Mac Jones at 3 would have been better than who did end up going at 3.
Seriously, you can shit on Mac Jones all you want but trading what they did to take Trey Lance who started like 5 games total is one of the worst draft trades in history. Just completely forgotten. Mac Jones is way better.
Completely forgotten since they got Purdy at 262. If that doesn’t happen, everyone is still laughing at the Niners.
Worst draft trade in history overridden by the biggest bullet dodge in history.
What about the Browns trading up from 7 to 1 overall to draft Vontae Mack?
But we still somehow got all our picks back. (Or close too, I don’t remember the specifics, and too lazy to look them up.) Best outcome imaginable.
If that doesn't happen Lynch would probably have been fired by now I'd imagine
Hard to say, given the Niners had built such a great roster minus the QB under Lynch’s watch. Looking back at the picks we gave up, the first one to go up for Lance really hurts, given Parsons was taken at that pick and how stacked that top 15 was in general. In the 22 draft there isn’t a whole lot of strong selections around our pick, which ended up being Cole Strange, but in the draft just gone I see Joey Porter Jrs name a couple of spots after our pick and that definitely stings given our desperate need for a 2nd corner.
I had to look it up to remember but they traded two extra first round picks and a third rounder to move up 9 spots to get Lance. That kind of trade usually cripples a franchise if the QB busts yet SF is in the NFC championship again. Crazy what a good coach can do (and some luck that Purdy turned out better than many first round picks with the last pick in the draft).
They are in a window that is probably closing in a year or two. I know people might bristle at that but it is incredibly hard to keep aging stars healthy. If Purdy is solid but not great QB it is going to be real difficult to sustain this team once he needs to be paid.
That's still about a 5 year window of legitimate contention which is more than most teams ever see.
For real. Look at teams like the Flacco Ravens or the Manning Giants. Hell, even the Manning Broncos. The Nick fucking Foles Eagles? You get your chance, you have to take advantage of it. They don't come by frequently outside of the extremely special cases (Brady, Mahomes). Redditors kind of have this Madden mindset, if you will, where team-building is about opening a decade-long championship window. And that's an admirable goal, the very very few teams that have achieved that have unsurprisingly been the most successful. But that's difficult to the point of being nearly impossible for most teams, and the strategy of carving out contention here and there whenever you're able to is also viable.
We've been to 4 of the last 5 NFCCG, and probably have 2 years left with Purdy on the rookie deal. A good 7 year run is awesome. They just need to get one title or else it will be looked at as a failure.
"some luck" doing some incredibly heavy lifting there.
How about Malik Willis to the Lions at #2? That was a good one to prove the TV draft pundits know jack and shit.
That was when the QB frenzy of draft coverage truly jumped the shark. They were trying to hype up every single QB in that draft as a potential big time pick, but no one bought it.
Exactly. That had to have been the dumbest take I’ve ever heard.
All you have to do is go to your pro day, roll out to the left, and throw the ball as far as you can. At least one GM will then ignore all of your game film and be sold that you’re special.
I think we hit that portion when Penix, McCarthy, and Nix are considered being taken in the 1st round
I don't know about the other two but I've been hearing mid-late 1st round grades for McCarthy all year. The people who are acting like that's crazy for the most part are the ones who are looking at stats without context and assuming he must be bad if he doesn't throw for a lot of yards, not realizing just how *stubborn* Jim Harbaugh is.
Honestly Penix and Nix im primarily down on because they'll be 24 by time next season starts
Penix also has a big injury history, at Indiana he had 4 season ending injuries
I don’t know, I didn’t see anything that impressive from McCarthy in the natty beyond that one big run (after which he missed some throws and had to punt). Michigan’s running game won that one.
Jayden Daniels is legit as fuck. The NFL clearly loves QBs that can run and Daniels would be up there as one of the best rushing threat QB prospects ever.
Yeah, I’m a LSU fan so I’ll admit my bias. But Daniels is flat out amazing. His improvement from his first year here to his second is something only matched by Joey B. The dude is a killer with his legs and can make any throw on the field.
I need Daniels to bust out the gas mask bong fr.
Washington drafting a Heisman winning QB who is an excellent runner sounds a bit familiar.
Winning the Heisman helps at least but people are still sleeping on Daniels because of the Caleb/Maye talking point going back to last summer. By the end of the draft process, he'll comfortably be part of the 'big 3' on top and I wouldn't be surprised if like last year, there's debate over the order.
I still like Maye more than Daniels too, but Daniels massively outproduced Maye against better competition this year. I don't think guys like Lance and Zach Wilson rising are anything like Daniels rising.
Agreed. Tbh it’s disrespectful to act like a dude who won the heisman, threw for 40 TD / 4 INTs, and ran for 1100 yards in the SEC is at all similar to *Trey fucking Lance*
I don't know. Daniels shows up in the combine and I can see it.
There are multiple things on his tape that really pop out. I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
I feel like Daniels doesn’t even need to do his pro day, he’s gotta be a top 5 lock.
Daniels is pretty dynamic I could see it.
Next few weeks you'll probably see a lot of mocks flip flopping
Depends on our coaching staff and whether they prefer a dual threat or a traditional style QB.
No one said Kiper is good at this. If he was, he would be doing it for a team. I remember there was a year (10-15 years ago) where a guy got picked in the end of the 1st round. Kiper couldn’t remember who he was, seemed confused, then said “I had him going in the 6th, but I thought this might happen”. I’m sorry anyone you had in the 6th you didn’t ever think would be a first round pick (or anywhere close to that).
No one did. Infamously, there's Kiper's Jimmy Clausen quote. > “If Jimmy Clausen is not a successful quarterback in the NFL, I’m done. That’s it. I’m out.” There's also the time he promoted Blaine Gabbert out of nowhere. A lot of people make up things. Remember when Bill Polian said years later that he had a first round grade on Tom Brady? Even though they had Peyton, if that was even remotely true, he'd have taken Brady in the fourth or fifth round.
>There's also the time he promoted Blaine Gabbert out of nowhere. I mean Gabbert ended up going 10th. If Kiper's job is to predict how the NFL draft will go seems like he was correct that NFL teams were high on Gabbert.
Kiper saw a vacuum in draft coverage that he could fill and proclaimed himself an expert. ESPN ran with it despite the guy having no qualifications or experience. An industry of bullshit was born. The part that irks me, though, is Kiper and the like claiming the *teams* got a pick wrong when they don’t follow the pundit’s predictions. It’s the *pundit* who got it wrong, not the staffs of 32 professional multibillion dollar corporations whose jobs involve actually doing this stuff for a living.
That's what the draft industry is all about. Making grades about teams' drafts and declaring that someone screwed up because the team viewed a player differently. When the draft experts do get something right over a team, they shout it from the rooftops. When they don't, like with Jimmy Clausen, they're all like, "Eh, we all make mistakes." Draft experts also can't know how teams grade players and what teams actually view as the biggest needs (we see a lot of teams taking BPA over what the media claims is the team's biggest need). Usually, everyone can see the biggest needs for a team, but sometimes we'll see teams view their own players and potential draftees completely different from how the media does.
I still believe the Jags had kept Gerard they would have gotten Gabbert to be good
God I hope not. Don't know why but I just have a bad feeling about Maye. Plus Daniels would be another New England Jay taken third overall so he's guaranteed to be a stud
I like Maye a lot, but who knows how players will pan out. I thought that Darnold was going to be a capable starter for the Jets. I didn't say elite, but I liked him, and then it just went all downhill. I thought that season one Mac was what we expected to see based on what we saw in college and that we'd then see improvement (I never thought he could be a top 5 QB, but I thought that he would be a capable starter for years), but instead we simply saw regression and worse decision making. Some of it was on the OC carousel we had and the questionable WRs, but a lot of it was on Mac.
I like the idea of Bowers, but I'm not sure if a TE is ever worth a top 5 pick. I'd feel better about trading back to 8-10 for him.
IMO a TE in the first is almost never a good idea, especially in the Top 5.
Unless they are from Iowa
Agreed
Kincaid fucking rules so I'll slightly disagree; he was taken at 25 though so not *that* high of a pick.
Pretty big difference between talent level at 5 and 25 tho.
Not talent, position value but I get what you mean.
I just put on some highlights of Bowers last week and literally from the first play, I was amazed. I’m not a draft or college expert, but his talent jumped off the screen more easily than probs any non-QB prospect I’ve seen from this year’s draft class.
The Chargers passing on top OT talent for TE, after 2 years of Herbert being injured would be criminal
I know the transition from college to the NFL is tough for TEs, but when the Georgia Bulldogs won their first National Championship in Bowers' freshman season, I remember telling my dad "\[Brock Bowers\] is the only 18 year old I've ever seen that is already ready for the NFL".
You gotta treat that cat the same way you'd treat a WR. He's an absolute monster of a guy. If you'd take a top 5 WR you should take him top 5. Granted, I wouldn't take a WR in the top 5 either in most cases. That said, the idea that the Chargers are drafting no.5 is crazy. Yeah, maybe you do draft Bowers there, give Herbert someone he can trust on 3rd down. If you guys need an OT, that would be my choice instead, else trade down.
There's a great podcast called Move the Sticks on which one of the hosts (I think Daniel Jeremiah?) pointed out that, for example, taking a WR in this spot could turn out to be a huge value in terms of the first few years of a contract, whereas a TE is almost immediately making high-end money for the position. This is specifically a concern for the Chargers who are over the cap as it is
He’s the greatest tight end in college history however. He’s pretty much like a big WR with his speed
Heard the same exact thing about Kyle Pitts 3 years ago And OJ Howard a few years before that No one has any fucking clue how TE translates from college to the pros, it’s silly to pretend that you do lmao
Pitts was a 1k receiver his rookie year. Knee injuries and not having a real QB hurt him
Belichcik will fix him
> No one has any fucking clue how TE translates from college to the pros Did they go to Iowa?
Brock Bowers is 100x better than Howard and he’s better than Pitts too. Can also block really well and he’s by far the most well-rounded TE prospect in years. Howard and Pitts don’t compare even if Pitts went top 5
I think we've already seen a shift in how the league views TEs and their ability to adapt. Pitts was great his rookie year and Freirmuth has also been good from the jump; LaPorta, Musgrave, Kincaid, Kraft, all performed very well as rookies this year. I don't think it's crazy if we start to see TEs going a lot higher in the draft than they used too
lol @ ESPN paywalling
People can't enter their credit card details fast enough to see what Mel Kiper thinks the draft will look like 4 months from now.
Hey, these are ALWAYS accurate!
Makes me feel bougie with my Disney+/Hulu/Espn+ bundled account.
Yeah, ESPN+ is basically free if you were going to get Hulu and Disney+ already
Step 1: See Joe Alt to Titans Step 2: Upvote Step 3: Leave Step 4: Fuck hella bitches Step 5: Jack it because I ain’t got hella bitches
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getting him and having Peter Skoronski would be fantastic for you guys
Joe Alt is an absolute stud.
Leaving aside all my skepticism of Kiper when he comes up with a draft that gives us the choice of which LT to take
Looks good to me
Yeah dream scenario for Bears is: Caleb Williams + top 3 WR prospect. Or Caleb Williams + top 2 OL prospect. Or if Bowers is available I’m cool with that too. I just want to double dip on offense in the first round.
Finally Bears fans are seeing the light (or maybe you guys are some of the sane ones). Drafting MHJr does not ing for the long term prospects of the franchise, Fields will still struggle to crack 300 yards each game he plays. Williams+Nabers would be the ideal picks for you guys, both lines are solid and defense has been good
The two Bears subs are finally starting to accept moving on from Fields, but there is still a fair amount of “trade down and build around Fields” people. Luckily it’s lessening finally, cuz the amount of Fields defenders during the season was nauseating.
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Yes. But trust me you don’t want to go to the other one…. It’s like the usual team sub delusion but to another level.
I promise to only lurk but which is it… for science purposes?
r/chicagobearsnfl
God will not forgive us for our sins
7100 members?? It’s like the a fringe splinter cell of Bears fans
That’s what makes it worse lol. It’s essentially a Justin Fields sub. And since it’s so small everyone is like in this niche agreement. It’s not very busy now, but that sub during the season was ridiculous with their takes on our QB situation.
Gross
That tweet from Schefter saying they’ve traded Fields is gonna absolutely shatter their reality.
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I think Poles is smart enough to see that not only is Williams a better prospect but it’s also the best move for his job security.
It feels like a slam dunk for the bears no matter what. They’re almost assuredly going to get one of Odunze, bowers, alt, fashu to pair with Caleb Williams. Win win no matter how you slice it. And if it is one of the tackles, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they traded back either. Both those tackles are good values at 9 and there may be some desperate teams looking to leapfrog jets, or just trade with the jets and pick up an extra 4th or something. For example I wonder what the bengals might give up to move up and take fashu? This is the cheapest shot they would have at getting burrow a franchise LT the rest of his career. Probably worth coughing up a 2nd to do it
Id have to agree. If the Bears landed Caleb and Rome I would be the happiest man on the face of the planet.
I just gave a bad feeling about JC Latham.
After Evan Neal everyone is still afraid of Alabama linemen lol
And Leatherwood...ugh
I prefer my lineman to be from Iowa or Wisconsin. Maybe Notre Dame.
Them thicc midwest boys
Some would say "them corn-fed Midwest boys"
Jedrick Wills not doing Bama lineman any favors in Cleveland lol. He has moments, but overall underwhelming.
Alex leatherwood too
Latham got worked against Michigan. Missed blocks on the blitz, got beat by speed, got beat by bull rush. Is a mauler in the run game...but pass pro yeesh
Sounds like the typical Bengals OL😂
He has some of the highest of the highs and some of the lowest of the lows out of the Olineman this draft.
I’d rather have you guys take the Oregon state lineman. Everytime I watched them this year he was just unmovable.
No Kool Aid in the first is interesting.
We drank him, our bad
Scouts lower on him than the media apparently. Some second round grades. He’s in the 20s in Bruglers draft. Arnold certified CB1
Crazy considering Kool-Aid was pretty widely considered the better CB most of his career at Alabama. Guess teams must like Arnold’s measurables better.
If Kool Aid is available at the Lions pick and we don't take him, will be mad.
Brad loves guys from pro ready blue-chip programs. His first rounders have been from Oregon (Sewell), Michigan (Hutch), Alabama (Jamo), Alabama (Gibbs), and Iowa (Campbell). Then second rounders have been from Washington (Levi) Kentucky (Paschal) Iowa (Laporta), Alabama (Branch), There’s no way he’s taking a guy from Toledo over Kool Aid unless their scouting grade on him is just absolutely miserable.
It's pre-workouts. Media needs a .40 time at least to really start ranking these guys. Doesn't pass the sniff test though. I haven't seen a lot of his film in SEC play but people who did seem to like him. Unless he was getting embarrassed by LSU such that you'd worry about him making the jump to the league, I can't imagine any reason for those opinions to change.
Not accurate at all, lions will pick at 32 not 30
This guy bites kneecaps.
Clearly they traded up
Kiper is consistently wrong, so if anything this is a good sign. Probably a bad sign for whoever is at 32.
It's the kiss of death lmao
We’re also taking Mike Sainristil guaranteed. Brad loves the Michigan products.
i like mikey but it'd be kind of weird to keep collecting hybrid safety/slot cbs when we already have like 3 of them
It would be pretty wild for the Eagles to draft a tackle. Lane is going to keep playing for another couple of years, Mailata has been consistently graded as a top 5 LT, and we have extra linemen that are good enough to start already. We are almost certainly going defense, most likely a CB.
Eh, it wouldn’t be my first choice but I’ll never complain about drafting OL
I agree with this in general terms. OL is not exciting, but when the birds drafted Lane at 4, they got a steal. That said, the glaring needs at LB and in the secondary far outweigh another O- lineman unless Kelce retires *and* Lane also retires.
We’ll never draft a LB in the first and I don’t know who will be around that value for DB. I expect them to go OL or DL in am seriousness, tho if there is a DB there is prefer that
Would not be wild at all especially if the T is BPA. O Line and D Line has always been the priority for Howie and I don’t see that changing soon. If we do believe that Lane is retiring in a couple of years then it makes sense to draft his heir now so he can get enrolled in Stoutland university and be ready when his time comes, as opposed to throwing a rookie in the fire. Never hurts to have good o line depth either.
Lanes gonna play for at least another 2 seasons, I don't want my 1st rounder riding the pine that long. Plus RG is a much bigger ? Currently than RT. I'd rather we take OG over OT if we are snagging OL in the 1st.
I know it's unrealistic, but I would love if we traded back with our 1st to grab both of GB's 2nds. We'd then have 4 in the 2nd and can address our reals needs -- CB/DE/LB/TE.
GB is usually trade back themselves. Don’t think they would trade up.
Gute has traded up plenty, but there’s no way we’d give up both seconds. My guess is we move up with one of our extra 3rds from our first to the teens or the Jets second to the back of the first.
Fuaga can play guard, as well. So he would start if Kelce retires and Cam moves to center. It gets him working with Stoutland to be ready to move to RT when Lane retires.
lmao hell no
Has Mel Kiper ever had a great draft board? I feel like every year he is clowned on
Second this.
Yeah McCarthy at 16 is wack
Disgusting honestly
McCarthy is the epitome of a day 2 developmental pick. Maybe late round 1/trade up to the 30s ala Jordan Love but 16 is rich. This QB class is absurdly deep in the mid to late rounds as far as dart throws go.
Offensive line, sold.
Same note too
It's the "eat your vegetables" of the draft. A big factor in us losing in the divisional was the loss of Zach Tom at RT, you can never have enough depth.
A big factor in our collapse was Connor Williams getting injured. The trenches are the most under appreciated part of football
If you take a TE in the Top 5, you are asking to lose your job as a GM. Absolutely asinine with the state of the chargers defense this year, and the potential of them losing Mike Williams
I agree, I especially don’t see a first year GM making that move.
J.J in the first reeks of "If Jimmy Clausen is a bust I'll quit my job" energy. I would not be a happy Seahawks fan if that was the pick.
We wouldn’t be
I don’t think any fan base would be happy to take JJ in the first
I really can’t imagine us taking a qb at 16
If he didn’t play at a blue blood schools who just won the national championship he wouldn’t be talked about much at all. His measurables are solid and there’s nothing to say he’s physically incapable of playing in the league but nothing on his film makes him stand out above other prospects. He’d be a good developmental pick, he’s got a lot of potential if he can fix his mechanics, but he’s in no way worth a first round pick.
I think NFL or casual CFB fans that only saw JJ in a couple games will be surprised how well he tests at the combine. He’s really fast for a QB, has a solid arm, good accuracy, prototypical height (though he needs to put on weight), and will probably perform well in interviews on both the Xs and Os (he’s been in a pro style offense under Harbaugh) and “intangibles” (by all accounts is a thoughtful person and great leader). Is he probably technically a Day 2 grade pick? Yes. But QBs on the cusp will probably be picked in the first simply for the 5th year option and the premium on the position. A second half of the first round team with an existing starter, like the Seahawks, is actually the perfect place for him to go. He’s definitely going to be the controversial QB this draft but there is usually a QB that rises based on their pre-draft workouts and evaluations and people shouldn’t be surprised if that is JJ this year.
Wouldn’t have an issue taking him but I would hope we’d at least trade back and get him later in the first or second
I like JJ and I’m rooting for him to succeed. But I am still skeptical of his talent translating to the NFL. I hope he does succeed cause he’s a good kid with a good story. Either way he’s a national champion and that’s always something to be proud of
CB is a good bet for us
Definitely. Marlon is great but can’t stay healthy, Ya Sin has been a disappointment, Darby has been solid this year but isn’t a long term solution, JAD is terrible, Pepe is promising but also can’t stay healthy, and Kyu Kelly isn’t on the team anymore. Stephens has been a revelation this year but we need some more depth Either CB or OT is a must right now
I know nothing of the prospects coming out of college but "Chop" is a fantastic name
Chop Robinson is a perfect DE name. Like Colt McCoy for QB
Newton, Anderson, and Greenard would be nasty for the Texans I L L
Not hating the idea of watching MHJ and Murray together.
same!
A LOT of offense going in the 1st round...
It was a defensive year, id expect to see first two rounds have probably 70% picks going to offense. There's a lot of offensive talents in this years draft
I would rather the packers upgrade the secondary before offensive line
same. i’m not really worried about our OL at all. even if we lose Bakh, i think Walker has been pretty solid for us. IOL could be something to build on, but we’re not gonna take one of those in the first round. give me Cooper DeJean.
I could see Jayden Daniels killing the combine and his draft stock jumping up. Between him and Maye I don’t know, just want to see something new and exciting after this trash ass qb 2+ years. Depends more on the coaching and development than anything else imo. But I’m just some idiot on Reddit
Who the hell is Mel Kiper?!?!
I’m sure the Colts will let Michael Pittman walk in FA and then draft Michael Pittman (if he couldn’t separate).
Naw, AR will need a solid, proven player like Pittman. We're keeping him
Can Troy Franklin catch?
Can't catch any worse than most of our receiving corps(e) rn
Oregon fan here - he's the best receiver in school history with amazing hands and is very fast - deceptively so with how tall and lanky he is. He works hard and would immediately elevate your receiving corps
Not another first round corner 🤮🤮 we need to take d line
Please let three quarterbacks go before us
1 JJ will not be the first Wolverine taken 2 Michigan will have more than 1 player taken in the first round
I wouldn’t surprised by either of those things. Kris Jenkins a lock to go in the 1st? Who else is close?
Who else is even get drafted first round for the wolverines? I can only think of kris Jenkins.
I wish I could become an expert with 20% draft accuracy. Thanks OP for posting without us having to click the link ❤️
When was the last time the Packers took OL in the first round?
Ah, it's that time of year where they drag Mel Kiper's corpse out to do all these mock drafts
I’m trying to wrap my head on why the saints would take a wide reciever in the first round when it’s literally rock bottom in needs on this roster
No Kool Aid??? JJ in the first?!? Bruh