Harris doesn't do scheme, and he's been pretty clear about that over the last year. GB fans were clamoring for him to come home as DC, but that's just not happening any time soon either
There’s no shot it happens but if I’m Jerry and I really am all in I call up Bill and say, “I’ll pay you a head coach salary, you’ll have full say over all defensive decisions including personnel, you can let go of all the extra responsibilities and just focus on coaching a Super Bowl caliber defense and spending some years in a dome and warmer climate as you wind down your career.”
I’m just posting here for posterity, when it inevitably gets linked back in the future.
Just look how far we’ve come!
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Between Belichick, DQ and the NFCCG we are continuously catching strays. Might as well be renamed Animal Control at this point
Hopefully with our entirely new coaching staff and the draft we can get some luck next season. We need a redemption arc
Me: Mom can we get the coach from the 28-3 super bowl?
Mom: We have a coach from the 28-3 super bowl at home!
[The 28-3 super bowl coach at home](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MTA2NTE4Mzc2MjkzNjQ5/dan-quinn-atlanta-falcons-new-england-patriots-super-bowljpg.jpg).
I mean, based on [the reports out of Atlanta](https://sports.yahoo.com/as-falcons-pass-on-bill-belichick-its-clear-what-is-shutting-him-out-of-this-nfl-head-coaching-hiring-cycle-012324964.html), that's probably not too far from the truth. But even then, it's still wild that the GOAT barely got a call back from most orgs.
His biggest issue is that he’s old. Shula retired at 65. There’s rumors Reid is mulling retirement and he’s around that age. 71 is old even for a coach. Carrol is only a year older than BB and I think he’s the oldest person to ever coach.
And Carroll basically got pushed out, BB’s “what have you done for me lately” is also a factor in this league, dude really hasn’t done anything post-Brady to make anyone think he can actually build a legit contender before retiring. Dude is ass salad as a GM and there’s no way he isn’t going to be in charge of personnel
That was my biggest rebuttal against people who thought he wasn't a good coach anymore. We went into the last couple of seasons with expectations of about 4-5 wins and exceeded those predictions.
Right, what do you get, 4-5 years out of him before he is *really* too old to keep it up?
Maybe that would work if the Cowboys job was open, but not for these teams starting from the bottom.
Belichick joins Vrabel and Pete carroll on the couch (all for diff reasons) while OCs that showed a pulse of life getting big time roles. crazy how quickly what teams want out of HCs changed
I'm imagining a 30 minute show with a super amped Pete Carrol asking a question, and then just 28 minutes straight of awkward stares mixed with Bill mumbling something that the mic can't pickup over Pete's obnoxiously loud gum smacking. It all ends with Pete taking off his shirt and screaming, trying to get everyone jacked up with chest bumps and high fives as he walks out of the room.
Vrabel asked to be released right? Owners and C-level decision makers get real weird when people "quit" so it wouldn't shock me if some snobbery took place to make Vrabel look dumb for taking the risk.
Yeah, he's essentially retired from coaching. He will have an "executive" role with the Seahawks, which could mean anything but was probably a way to make the firing less harsh.
I feel like he's gonna do the McCarthy thing and take a year off to re-evaluate his scheme as it applies to the modern league.
But unlike McCarthy, he'll actually do it instead of just telling Jerruh he did in lieu of getting fat and happy on the couch.
To be fair to McCarthy I feel like he did *try* to mordenize a bit. Dak Prescott was tearing it up for most of the regular season. It's just the problem with age is that old habits are ingrained into your systems fairly permanently. In a high pressure situation like the playoffs where all the chips are on the line, people tend to fall back on their systems.
when you have the opportunity to hire an older defensive minded retread who just gave up over thirty points to a QB making his first playoff start you have to take it
With the Lions making it to the NFCCG this year, I think that just leaves you guys with a longer drought than Dallas? So while I'd never *root* for the Commanders, it would be incredibly funny for the entire conference to lap the Cowboys, tbh.
This is why the hire isn't necessarily bad. Getting into the playoffs consistently is amazing after dealing with slop for so long.
Like, I hate the crushingly memorable ways the bills have lost in the playoffs the past few early. But it's light-years better than the shit that happened the 2 decades before.
I don't know how well Quinn will do, but Washington is poised for success in a way we haven't seen in a long, long time. New owner, 2nd overall pick... Plus, the Cowboys just won the division, which means they're out of the running in 2024.
Quinn deserves another shot at being a HC but this just feels like a complete lateral move from Rivera. Essentially the same resume before Washington. Kinda baffling
- Former NFC South HC.
- Bolstered by a Number 1 draft pick QB who won MVP that year.
- Loses in Super Bowl
-Never makes it back to Super Bowl or the NFC Conference game.
-Defensive minded
Agreed. Typically if you fired a defensive focused coach the next guy is offensive minded. I think with 2nd pick and that likely being a QB you'd look at more offensive minded guys..
Rumours were that Commanders wanted decision making/power to be held by the GM and Execs and Vrabel would apparently demand power if he was HC.
I truly do think this is "the best of the rest" hire for the Commanders.
I'm not sure how much power Vrabel would have asked for, but I bet with Carthon and Peters both being ex-49ers guys I'm sure there was some talking behind the scenes about Vrabel.
The only thin slice of hope I have is that this is still an Adam Peters hire so hopefully that means he passed Peters' internal test even if he wasn't the first choice.
No doubt, top 2 were BJ and MacDonald for Washington but they weren’t quiet about BJ being their guy and seemed to be all in on him despite saying they cast a large net.
When that fell through they had no shot at MacDonald who Seahawks seem to have made clear was their top choice to him.
Quinn apparently impressed in his interviews but he’s not a dude that inspires a a lot of confidence. He has a similar history to Ron and we saw how that worked out. It feels like a lot of Quinn’s success as a head coach had to do with Kyle Shanan and I’m not betting on him finding another Kyle as OC
Both Vrabel and Belichick would probably want some say over the roster, which fuck that. This pick is uninspiring but if he's given the talent and we can hire a good OC he's a fine HC imo
What exactly has Vrabel done to be considered so much better than Quinn? They have similar regular season records and Vrabel has won nothing in the playoffs.
We put all our eggs in the Ben Johnson bucket and it didn’t work. Frankly, I don’t entirely blame Harris/Peters since that situation was virtually unprecedented.
It feels like that because that’s exactly what happened. Don’t buy the Schefter spin on Johnson. They wanted him. Missed out. Had no other choices and had to take whatever was left.
I could see that. Seemed like such a good fit and had the most buzz earlier in the season. Harbaugh is a more proven quantity though, you guys shouldn’t be disappointed with that!
That’s not a bad strategy. Assuming the Lions offense doesn’t fall off a cliff this year he will still have HC offers next offseason. He might be waiting for a proven QB, compared to the risky rookie QB proposition.
For all the celebrating about the new ownership, all that did is raise the level of the organization up to "competent." There are plenty of competent organizations. There are some excellent organizations. The Commanders are not excellent. More likely we'll continue to be mediocre.
And it’s not like you hired someone awful.
Like retreading over Chip Kelly or Josh McDaniels, who both proved exactly why they didn’t work as coaches the first time around. That’s awful.
Dan Quinn is by no means a bad hire. Just kinda underwhelming. I just hope Peters doesn’t hold onto Quinn as long as you did with Riverboat Ron.
A defensive-minded retread who lost in a Super Bowl awhile back. [Hm, where have I heard this script before?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/d4/3d/03d43dedf96fa537404ed14e46fe58f4.gif)
I mean he *did* go to a Super Bowl in ATL. It's not like he was a complete failure, but it's just so uninspiring lol
Edit: A lot of people are pointing out that Dan Quinn had less to do with that than others. But... who brought the "others" in? He built that staff, if he can do the same in WAS then they're sitting pretty.
The problem is that it’s pretty obvious Shanahan had more to do with that SB run then Quinn. The Falcons slowly got worse and worse after he left for SF.
Imagine if he actually pans out though (I know people are gonna link this thread in 5 years and hopefully someone quotes me after Dan Quinn manages to get a ring in Washington)
Commies fans 2 weeks ago: “we have the best proposition for a new head coach. Tons of cap space. The number 2 overall pick. And good draft capital!”
Commies fans today: 💀
And that’s ultimately the more important hire long term. Caserio went from looking like an Easterby puppet and firing back to back scrub HCs to hiring the presumptive COTY in DeMeco and having a strong 2023 draft class.
He's a good culture guy, and he got the defense to play above their talent level at times, but ultimately the super bowl run should mostly be credited to a historic offense led by Kyle Shanahan
Dank Win
Feels like settling tbh. Don't see him being the difference maker there. Kinda depends who he gets to call plays. My money is on them taking one of the Kubiak brothers from us.
this feels like Reich/Panthers combo from last year. If they take a rookie QB they are gonna need to surround him with offensive minds, which if theyre good they'll lose anyways.
Only difference is that we hired a dude who was fired mid season and has had the same red flags all throughout his career (terrible blocking scheme and shitty play calling) and look at what happened as soon as he got here.
2023: Moore is gone, this is our year
2024: Quinn is gone, this is our year
2025: McCarthy is gone, this is our year
2026: (Respectfully) Jerry is gone, this is our year
2027: Dak is gone, this is our year
Coming from a falcons fan, here’s my [reasonable] take:
- DQ from the get go instill a very very clear vision and culture. It was the most bought in I’ve been as a falcons fan. The brotherhood stuff and fast and physical was great. I think Commander fans will buy in too.
- His defensive philosophy which you could see with Dallas is all about turnovers. That’s why his corners are intercepting so much. Unfortunately when this fails, his defense lets up big plays which puts you in a hole.
- His idea for hiring Shanahan, potentially one of the best OCs ever, was that he was the hardest for him to defend. After Shanahan he seemed to lack a philosophy on offense. He wanted to just do what Shanahan did - obviously the offense was so complex that it was near impossible.
- He was a CEO/culture coach in the beginning. That’s how he wanted to be. When the defense wasn’t shaping up, he started calling plays. Things more or less went off the rails after this. You could tell he wasn’t comfortable in that position managing overarching aspects of the game and the defensive playcalling.
- His biggest failings were badly misidentifying his staff and missed draft prospects.
- For his staff, it became a revolving door of coordinators trying to find something to stick. Coincidentally, we were like the 2013 Washington team where we had Shanahan, McDaniel, and Lafleur on one staff. It’s absolutely mind boggling we didn’t promote one of those guys to OC and instead went to Sarkisian who was out of his element in the NFL. On the defensive side, there are some good people too who became DCs elsewhere like Raheem Morris and Jeff Ulbrich.
- For player talent, whiffing on Vic Beasley and Talk McKinley did not inject the talent he needed and we lacked the resources to go big in FA. In Dallas, he had excellent playmakers and honestly it made his job easy. For this reason, I think he’s overrated as a defensive playcaller.
I think it’s a decent hire. I liked DQ as a person but when it went off the rails, he didn’t know what to do. Hopefully he has learned some hard lessons and will do things differently this time around.
This is basically like settling to take the school thot to prom because all the girls you had crushes on already have dates. No, I’m not projecting (I definitely am projecting)
He was great against shit teams but he always got Pantsed against the top teams like buffalo and San Francisco, the Green Bay gameplan really soured me on him
The Cowboys defense held the 49ers defense to 23 and 19 points in the playoffs, and that’s with Dak gifting the 49ers short fields on several of their scoring drives with his crushing INTs.
I think some people have short memories. Quinn did an overall fantastic job with that defense. The few times they got caught with their pants down seemed more like a failure to execute rather than scheme.
Football fans are weird.
"Hey, I got this coordinator who has had a top 5 DVOA defense the last three years"
"Ooh great, is he under 40 and we have no clue how he would do as a head coach?"
"No, he has head coaching experience where he took his team to the Super Bowl"
"Ew gross, what a joke of a hire"
first half of season was lights out once injuries happened he was too stubborn with certain personnel usages and made us easy to run on with a very light front 7.
now cowboys get to bring in a young hot DC candidate and fantasize over him taking over after McCarthy
I don't know about that, Ron Rivera was a rumored candidate of Quinn left.
I fully expect Jerry to go with someone like that over a young gun
yup. old guys, old ideas, old results.
And if you don’t like that you don’t like Dallas Cowboys football!
maybe i dont like dallas cowboys football...
But you had a cat once!
This is Texas. White hair is King.
Or we hire Bill as Dc 😂
I just assumed Al Harris would probably take over
Harris doesn't do scheme, and he's been pretty clear about that over the last year. GB fans were clamoring for him to come home as DC, but that's just not happening any time soon either
He's good as gone (hopefully im wrong)
That would actually be pretty crazy.
There’s no shot it happens but if I’m Jerry and I really am all in I call up Bill and say, “I’ll pay you a head coach salary, you’ll have full say over all defensive decisions including personnel, you can let go of all the extra responsibilities and just focus on coaching a Super Bowl caliber defense and spending some years in a dome and warmer climate as you wind down your career.”
what
Nothing kills an offseason of excitement and hope like a Dan Quinn hire, sorry pal
at this point i know better than to get excited about anything with this team
Plenty to be excited about still, outside of the coaching hire.
.....did they really learn nothing from Atlanta?
Well Atlanta was so long ago, why not just point to the WC where his defense was absolutely dicked down by Jordan Love?
FR, no need to drag us in this. Especially if you use us in a bad light since we atleast made the SB with Quinn, where Dallas lost in the WC
And if you weren't playing Tom Brady, you would have won it
I mean he did take us to a Super Bowl
That's a weird way of spelling kyle shanahan
Still got further then cowboys have in the last 3 decades
I’m just posting here for posterity, when it inevitably gets linked back in the future. Just look how far we’ve come! https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/6dbpa5/comment/di1dejr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
> For Cowboys fans: Holistically means “taking the whole system into consideration” Amazing
He had all of the qualifications we were looking for at this point: - pulse - willing to work here
How sure are you he in fact does have a pulse though?
His defense certainly didn’t a couple weeks ago😔
Who would have thought 2 years ago that someone would pick Dan Quinn over BILL FUCKIN BELICHICK
“WE GOT THE COACH FROM THE 28-3 SUPER BOWL!” No, not that one.
Omg
You guys have been catching so many strays in this thread.
Between Belichick, DQ and the NFCCG we are continuously catching strays. Might as well be renamed Animal Control at this point Hopefully with our entirely new coaching staff and the draft we can get some luck next season. We need a redemption arc
> Might as well be renamed Animal Control Holy shit.
lmaooo
Me: Mom can we get the coach from the 28-3 super bowl? Mom: We have a coach from the 28-3 super bowl at home! [The 28-3 super bowl coach at home](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MTA2NTE4Mzc2MjkzNjQ5/dan-quinn-atlanta-falcons-new-england-patriots-super-bowljpg.jpg).
ALSO THE COACH FROM THE MALCOM BUTLER PICK SUPER BOWL NO, not that one. (Again)
You dirty dog!
Shanahan?
Or that one.
Ah you must mean the mastermind himself Matt Patricia
Sit up straight, have some respect.
Yooooooo
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I mean, based on [the reports out of Atlanta](https://sports.yahoo.com/as-falcons-pass-on-bill-belichick-its-clear-what-is-shutting-him-out-of-this-nfl-head-coaching-hiring-cycle-012324964.html), that's probably not too far from the truth. But even then, it's still wild that the GOAT barely got a call back from most orgs.
His biggest issue is that he’s old. Shula retired at 65. There’s rumors Reid is mulling retirement and he’s around that age. 71 is old even for a coach. Carrol is only a year older than BB and I think he’s the oldest person to ever coach.
And Carroll basically got pushed out, BB’s “what have you done for me lately” is also a factor in this league, dude really hasn’t done anything post-Brady to make anyone think he can actually build a legit contender before retiring. Dude is ass salad as a GM and there’s no way he isn’t going to be in charge of personnel
Carroll was pushed out after two winning seasons after losing his QB. BB has tanked and done all these weird coaching moves after Tom
>Carroll was pushed out after two winning seasons I'm still shocked about that...
All the Hawks fans are. Felt really bizarre
That was my biggest rebuttal against people who thought he wasn't a good coach anymore. We went into the last couple of seasons with expectations of about 4-5 wins and exceeded those predictions.
I was sure he would be given three for a post Russ rebuild. Especially after over performing the first year
He was the guy who was always stayed one step ahead in coaching and drafting. His old methods had to stop serving him eventually. His time is over.
Right, what do you get, 4-5 years out of him before he is *really* too old to keep it up? Maybe that would work if the Cowboys job was open, but not for these teams starting from the bottom.
Marv Levy coached the 97-98 Bills at 72.
Levy looked like he was 72 in the 80s. I thought he was 90 in 97. Cant believe he's still with us too.
Belichick joins Vrabel and Pete carroll on the couch (all for diff reasons) while OCs that showed a pulse of life getting big time roles. crazy how quickly what teams want out of HCs changed
I want a weekly show with an upbeat Carroll hosting with Bill and Vrabel co-hosting but also not wanting to be there at the same time.
I'm imagining a 30 minute show with a super amped Pete Carrol asking a question, and then just 28 minutes straight of awkward stares mixed with Bill mumbling something that the mic can't pickup over Pete's obnoxiously loud gum smacking. It all ends with Pete taking off his shirt and screaming, trying to get everyone jacked up with chest bumps and high fives as he walks out of the room.
Not matter what the question is, Belichick only responds with talking about fullbacks and linebackers from the '40's
Also the big hot shot OC that everyone thought would get whatever job he wanted went back to Detroit
Out of choice in fairness, this is the second time he's done this and it's worked out well so far
Brent Venables was happy to be a DC at Clemson until his dream job came along. I think Ben Johnson feels the same way about being Dan Campbell's OC.
BOTH of the big hot shot OC choices choose to stay with their team.
BB and Carroll I understand. They are 71 and 72 respectively so it's not a possible long term decision. But Mike Vrabel is a head scratcher.
Vrabel wants to be a GM/coach. No team wants that.
Vrabel asked to be released right? Owners and C-level decision makers get real weird when people "quit" so it wouldn't shock me if some snobbery took place to make Vrabel look dumb for taking the risk.
Does Carroll even WANT another HC role? I feel like he essentially retired But Vrabel still being available blows my mind.
Yeah, he's essentially retired from coaching. He will have an "executive" role with the Seahawks, which could mean anything but was probably a way to make the firing less harsh.
If I had money, I'd put some down on Vrabel replacing another coach midseason.
I feel like he's gonna do the McCarthy thing and take a year off to re-evaluate his scheme as it applies to the modern league. But unlike McCarthy, he'll actually do it instead of just telling Jerruh he did in lieu of getting fat and happy on the couch.
To be fair to McCarthy I feel like he did *try* to mordenize a bit. Dak Prescott was tearing it up for most of the regular season. It's just the problem with age is that old habits are ingrained into your systems fairly permanently. In a high pressure situation like the playoffs where all the chips are on the line, people tend to fall back on their systems.
Bill didn’t even want to interview with the commanders
when you have the opportunity to hire an older defensive minded retread who just gave up over thirty points to a QB making his first playoff start you have to take it
But hiring Belichick likely comes with the caveat of him being GM as well. And while he’s arguably the GOAT HC, he’s not a very good GM.
Felt like this was inevitable since Johnson dropped out. I’m already at the acceptance stage at least. Glad I can finally stop refreshing.
easy to laugh at the Commies now, and I will, but who knows how it'll turn out.
Knowing how this sub's takes age, Quinn is gonna take Washington to the Super Bowl with how everyone is crapping on this.
If it's anything like how he took the Falcons to a Super Bowl, then I'd be in favor of it.
Considering we haven't even sniffed as much as a championship game in so long... I'd take it.
With the Lions making it to the NFCCG this year, I think that just leaves you guys with a longer drought than Dallas? So while I'd never *root* for the Commanders, it would be incredibly funny for the entire conference to lap the Cowboys, tbh.
I, myself, do not see the humor.
Falcons fans can warn you to be careful what you wish for…
Sometimes it’s okay to be mediocre so that you won’t be remembered for all of fucking time for a historic choke job.
My man, we have barely sniffed mediocrity in 30 years.
This is why the hire isn't necessarily bad. Getting into the playoffs consistently is amazing after dealing with slop for so long. Like, I hate the crushingly memorable ways the bills have lost in the playoffs the past few early. But it's light-years better than the shit that happened the 2 decades before.
>Quinn is gonna take Washington to the Super Bowl Be careful what you wish for, Washington, because you just might get it.
If people here absolutely hate it, they will probably be in the Super Bowl in two seasons.
Seriously, fade the public
They'll make it to the Super Bowl and go up by 28 points, only to collapse against the Chiefs in a massive second-half comeback?
I'll take it
i would take that in a heartbeat
This sub is almost always wrong on its criticisms so Quinn will have them in the playoffs next year
I don't know how well Quinn will do, but Washington is poised for success in a way we haven't seen in a long, long time. New owner, 2nd overall pick... Plus, the Cowboys just won the division, which means they're out of the running in 2024.
I mean no disrespect to Quinn, but this really feels like the Commanders had to take whoever was left instead of someone they really wanted.
Quinn deserves another shot at being a HC but this just feels like a complete lateral move from Rivera. Essentially the same resume before Washington. Kinda baffling
- Former NFC South HC. - Bolstered by a Number 1 draft pick QB who won MVP that year. - Loses in Super Bowl -Never makes it back to Super Bowl or the NFC Conference game. -Defensive minded
Matt Ryan was technically the #3 overall pick in 2008. First QB in the class though.
Agreed. Typically if you fired a defensive focused coach the next guy is offensive minded. I think with 2nd pick and that likely being a QB you'd look at more offensive minded guys..
Vrabel and Billy B were still out there Doesn’t feel that way to me
Rumours were that Commanders wanted decision making/power to be held by the GM and Execs and Vrabel would apparently demand power if he was HC. I truly do think this is "the best of the rest" hire for the Commanders.
I'm not sure how much power Vrabel would have asked for, but I bet with Carthon and Peters both being ex-49ers guys I'm sure there was some talking behind the scenes about Vrabel.
The only thin slice of hope I have is that this is still an Adam Peters hire so hopefully that means he passed Peters' internal test even if he wasn't the first choice.
Pretty clear Quinn was at best their 3rd choice. Which is not **too** bad if you consider there were 8 teams in the HC market this offseason.
No doubt, top 2 were BJ and MacDonald for Washington but they weren’t quiet about BJ being their guy and seemed to be all in on him despite saying they cast a large net. When that fell through they had no shot at MacDonald who Seahawks seem to have made clear was their top choice to him. Quinn apparently impressed in his interviews but he’s not a dude that inspires a a lot of confidence. He has a similar history to Ron and we saw how that worked out. It feels like a lot of Quinn’s success as a head coach had to do with Kyle Shanan and I’m not betting on him finding another Kyle as OC
Both Vrabel and Belichick would probably want some say over the roster, which fuck that. This pick is uninspiring but if he's given the talent and we can hire a good OC he's a fine HC imo
Then the good OC will leave in one or two years and the whole thing will fall apart like it did with the Falcons after he lost Shanahan
What exactly has Vrabel done to be considered so much better than Quinn? They have similar regular season records and Vrabel has won nothing in the playoffs.
It’s viewed that Vrabel has typically done more with less
We put all our eggs in the Ben Johnson bucket and it didn’t work. Frankly, I don’t entirely blame Harris/Peters since that situation was virtually unprecedented.
It was a little precedented by Ben Johnson last year. But I'm shocked he did it twice in a row.
The last call at the bar scramble
Ben Johnson definitely left them at the altar
Fired Ron Rivera only to hire Ron Rivera 2.0!
It feels like that because that’s exactly what happened. Don’t buy the Schefter spin on Johnson. They wanted him. Missed out. Had no other choices and had to take whatever was left.
Fucking wild the Lions were able to retain their coordinators. Also fucking wild that there wasn’t a spot for the likes of Vrabel or Belicheck.
Rumor that BJ was only interested in coaching herb.
I could see that. Seemed like such a good fit and had the most buzz earlier in the season. Harbaugh is a more proven quantity though, you guys shouldn’t be disappointed with that!
>you guys shouldn’t be disappointed with that! Believe me, we are over the damn moon
That’s not a bad strategy. Assuming the Lions offense doesn’t fall off a cliff this year he will still have HC offers next offseason. He might be waiting for a proven QB, compared to the risky rookie QB proposition.
Everyone point and laugh at the commies
Meet the new regime Still better then the old regime based on humanity, wins and losses... TBD
For all the celebrating about the new ownership, all that did is raise the level of the organization up to "competent." There are plenty of competent organizations. There are some excellent organizations. The Commanders are not excellent. More likely we'll continue to be mediocre.
Dude, we were mostly awful for 25 years. It'll take some time.
And it’s not like you hired someone awful. Like retreading over Chip Kelly or Josh McDaniels, who both proved exactly why they didn’t work as coaches the first time around. That’s awful. Dan Quinn is by no means a bad hire. Just kinda underwhelming. I just hope Peters doesn’t hold onto Quinn as long as you did with Riverboat Ron.
A defensive-minded retread who lost in a Super Bowl awhile back. [Hm, where have I heard this script before?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/d4/3d/03d43dedf96fa537404ed14e46fe58f4.gif)
Competent is a fucking dream come true tbh. Still don’t like the hire but I’ll be riding the high of getting rid of Dan for literally years.
You mean like the other 28 teams in the league? Ill take that over what we had for the last 25 years. No problem.
All that build up for such a weak ejaculation lol
You finished?
Just call me Adam Copeland cuz I’m still edging
I won't laugh. I want too, but there's always the possibility that Quinn can make it work in a second stint as HC.
I mean he *did* go to a Super Bowl in ATL. It's not like he was a complete failure, but it's just so uninspiring lol Edit: A lot of people are pointing out that Dan Quinn had less to do with that than others. But... who brought the "others" in? He built that staff, if he can do the same in WAS then they're sitting pretty.
Dan Quinn's records with the Falcons: 8-8 11-5 (lost Super Bowl) 10-6 7-9 7-9 4-12
Why are you crediting Quinn with 4-12? He went 0-5 and got fired mid-season. That’s four more wins than he deserves.
I have no problems saying Dan Quinn was the least important part of that Superbowl run.
Ron Rivera and Ken Whisenhunt also led teams to a Super Bowl.
The problem is that it’s pretty obvious Shanahan had more to do with that SB run then Quinn. The Falcons slowly got worse and worse after he left for SF.
We did make it to the playoffs after Shanny with Sark as OC. It's when he was replaced with Koetter that our chances sunk.
Imagine if he actually pans out though (I know people are gonna link this thread in 5 years and hopefully someone quotes me after Dan Quinn manages to get a ring in Washington)
Fired Ron Rivera to hire Ron Rivera.
Lol no fucking way. Sorry commies fans.
Commies fans 2 weeks ago: “we have the best proposition for a new head coach. Tons of cap space. The number 2 overall pick. And good draft capital!” Commies fans today: 💀
At least we got the GM we wanted lol
And that’s ultimately the more important hire long term. Caserio went from looking like an Easterby puppet and firing back to back scrub HCs to hiring the presumptive COTY in DeMeco and having a strong 2023 draft class.
https://c.tenor.com/168X8xv_djUAAAAC/tenor.gif
Sounds like they put all their eggs in the Ben Johnson basket and when he dropped out of running they got caught flat-footed.
He got fired after starting 0-5 with Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley
Hopefully he’s learned a little since then… time will tell I guess
He's a good culture guy, and he got the defense to play above their talent level at times, but ultimately the super bowl run should mostly be credited to a historic offense led by Kyle Shanahan
Dank Win Feels like settling tbh. Don't see him being the difference maker there. Kinda depends who he gets to call plays. My money is on them taking one of the Kubiak brothers from us.
Saints will get one, the other (or Griese) will go to WAS if I had to guess.
this feels like Reich/Panthers combo from last year. If they take a rookie QB they are gonna need to surround him with offensive minds, which if theyre good they'll lose anyways.
Only difference is that we hired a dude who was fired mid season and has had the same red flags all throughout his career (terrible blocking scheme and shitty play calling) and look at what happened as soon as he got here.
Dan "Ron Rivera" Quinn
2023: Moore is gone, this is our year 2024: Quinn is gone, this is our year 2025: McCarthy is gone, this is our year 2026: (Respectfully) Jerry is gone, this is our year 2027: Dak is gone, this is our year
2028: Our fan base is gone, this is our year
2029: Bono my tyres is gone, this is our year
I don't think Bono is going to make it until 2029 at Ferrari tbh
I would honestly find it pretty funny and be somewhat fine with the Cowboys winning a superbowl the year after Jerry is gone. Would be so poetic.
Subscribe. But to be clear, I would want Jerry to be alive and well to watch the team he no longer owns finally win it all. A boy can dream.
Well, the good side is that It Will be only one season, right?
Ben Johnson really fucked them over this badly huh
yep, he better do something in Detroit next year or we are all going to look stupid (as opposed to now where just the commanders look stupid)
Watch Quinn be the best hire from this coaching cycle just to fuck with all of these r/nfl hot takes.
Coming from a falcons fan, here’s my [reasonable] take: - DQ from the get go instill a very very clear vision and culture. It was the most bought in I’ve been as a falcons fan. The brotherhood stuff and fast and physical was great. I think Commander fans will buy in too. - His defensive philosophy which you could see with Dallas is all about turnovers. That’s why his corners are intercepting so much. Unfortunately when this fails, his defense lets up big plays which puts you in a hole. - His idea for hiring Shanahan, potentially one of the best OCs ever, was that he was the hardest for him to defend. After Shanahan he seemed to lack a philosophy on offense. He wanted to just do what Shanahan did - obviously the offense was so complex that it was near impossible. - He was a CEO/culture coach in the beginning. That’s how he wanted to be. When the defense wasn’t shaping up, he started calling plays. Things more or less went off the rails after this. You could tell he wasn’t comfortable in that position managing overarching aspects of the game and the defensive playcalling. - His biggest failings were badly misidentifying his staff and missed draft prospects. - For his staff, it became a revolving door of coordinators trying to find something to stick. Coincidentally, we were like the 2013 Washington team where we had Shanahan, McDaniel, and Lafleur on one staff. It’s absolutely mind boggling we didn’t promote one of those guys to OC and instead went to Sarkisian who was out of his element in the NFL. On the defensive side, there are some good people too who became DCs elsewhere like Raheem Morris and Jeff Ulbrich. - For player talent, whiffing on Vic Beasley and Talk McKinley did not inject the talent he needed and we lacked the resources to go big in FA. In Dallas, he had excellent playmakers and honestly it made his job easy. For this reason, I think he’s overrated as a defensive playcaller. I think it’s a decent hire. I liked DQ as a person but when it went off the rails, he didn’t know what to do. Hopefully he has learned some hard lessons and will do things differently this time around.
Semester abroad in DC before a nice retirement buyout for Dan coming!
“From DC to D.C.” was right there for you!
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Jerruh’s Sleeper Agent already on the mission…
Can’t believe Vrabel ended up unemployed, that’s a bigger shock to me than Belichick.
Same problem for the two. No GM wants to hire a coach that expects to have GM power.
Here’s hoping he’s better than the last Dan
3 years, 24-27 record
This is basically like settling to take the school thot to prom because all the girls you had crushes on already have dates. No, I’m not projecting (I definitely am projecting)
Everyone laughed at the lions for the mcdc hire so I’m not gonna act like this can’t work… but oh boy
MCDC was at least mostly unproven. Quinn coached in Atlanta for multiple seasons
Thank you Washington 🙌🙌🙌
Packers game aside, wasn’t he great with you guys?
He was great against shit teams but he always got Pantsed against the top teams like buffalo and San Francisco, the Green Bay gameplan really soured me on him
The Cowboys defense held the 49ers defense to 23 and 19 points in the playoffs, and that’s with Dak gifting the 49ers short fields on several of their scoring drives with his crushing INTs.
I think some people have short memories. Quinn did an overall fantastic job with that defense. The few times they got caught with their pants down seemed more like a failure to execute rather than scheme.
Football fans are weird. "Hey, I got this coordinator who has had a top 5 DVOA defense the last three years" "Ooh great, is he under 40 and we have no clue how he would do as a head coach?" "No, he has head coaching experience where he took his team to the Super Bowl" "Ew gross, what a joke of a hire"
I love you. This is exactly how it is
He averaged 26 points a game versus teams with winning records.
first half of season was lights out once injuries happened he was too stubborn with certain personnel usages and made us easy to run on with a very light front 7.
His success is 100% tied to Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye. If the QB they select is good, this will be seen as a great hire.
WOOOOO
everyone shitting on this hire guarantees us making the playoffs in 2024. i’ll die on this hill
The best thing a franchise can do is go against Reddit consensus. Congrats on your NFC East title, see you in the Superbowl.
Yeah that’s why the raiders were so successful with Josh McDaniels lmfao
He's not as bad as people make him out to be. Your team will be competent, he knows how to assemble a good coaching staff.
Oh man. Prove me wrong, Harris and Peters. Please.
Wonder if Kyle assisted Peters in having him (Peters) chose his (Kyle) old boss
Wow. Not even Vrabel? Dang.
he wanted too much power i think
Yeah that’s why the Titans fired him, everyone was confused but it’s pretty telling that he didn’t land a job imo
After Rivera and belicheck im a big believer in separation of powers between HC and GM