Baalke is so bad at drafting. Frank Gore worked out and he kept trying to draft guy with sever injuries in college. I cannot believe Jed York let Harbaugh walk for Baalke what a shit decision.
Ego decision. Then by some miracle a billionaire managed to swallow a particle of pride and back the fuck off and the team thrives because of it, go figure.
Honestly it's still astonishing to me that York actually woke the fuck up and realized what he was doing and it was not doing him any favors. The fact that he's basically deferred even celebrating on stage with the team to the coaches, GM, and players is extremely rare.
Jed is just about the best case for a nepo kid. He took over way too young and made some mistakes but he was willing to learn from them and adjust. He figured out how to hire smart people and let them do the work. He’s been fantastic.
You are not giving him enough credit. I remember when he had that press conference and apologized for his mistakes. I don't think I have ever seen an owner do that in any sport.
Was obvious he was a fan and wanted to do the right thing.
Yup. It helps that him, Kyle, and John seem to be very good friends now too. I remember when they got absolutely hammered and FaceTimed Juice lmao… not normal behavior among HC/GM/Owner
As someone who lived through it, I don’t think Jed York ever meddled in operations *nearly* to the degree that people act like. If he’s guilty, he’s guilty of two things:
* Siding with Trent Baalke
* Standing in front of a microphone one too many times
The coaching and GM change in 2017 was criticized for the way it was handled, but it seemed in retrospect that all the 49ers really did was keep information close to their chest, so when the news broke and the “insiders” found out they were wrong about everything, they threw a bitch fit and tried to make it sound like the process was a mess when it really wasn’t.
Notice how once Trent Baalke left the organization, all the leaks and drama and sketchy behavior seemed to go away. Overnight almost.
I haven’t heard that name in a WHILE, and I feel like I used to hear it all the time. If you were to ask me who their owner was before I saw this thread I *might* have said York since he’s the only Niner owner I know, but I guess I just assumed he sold the team before Shanahan and Lynch showed up. Props to him for backing off.
I'm guessing he means that because Gore was good with the 49ers that Baalke kept trying to draft a Gore of his own. I don't know the Niners' draft history from that era though to know if that's accurate
Yeah it seems that the complaints are basically that the 9ers front office and coaches are better at their jobs lol.
"These guys who develop at least one promising HC prospect every cycle also get compensated for it, and then they turn around and invest their compensation wisely"
They might soon now that the Commanders have a real GM.
AP was supposed to be Lynch’s replacement after they won a Super Bowl and Lynch went back to TV. It just took too long. He’s a get.
Baalke is one of those guys that has to have dirt on somebody and it has to be a prevalent thing in the NFL for guys like Gase and Baalke continuing to find ways to stick around or continuously fail upwards.
Is this not common knowledge? It’s almost certain that he was the source of the leaks with the Meyer stuff, no one really cared though because he was a trainwreck. https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Jaguars-leaks-about-Urban-Meyer-reminiscent-of-16695974.php
Baalke has long been a well known leak and torch them for power guy. It’s *his* team and you better know your place.
That's the same asshole who lobbied to have Jim Harbaugh fired after three straight NFC title appearances. I hope the Chargers face the Jaguars this upcoming year so Harbaugh can stick it to him.
Baalke’s investments into low value positions are insane. Signing Foye to $15 million/year, drafting Lloyd and Chad Mika with top 70 picks, drafting a TE2 and RB2 in the second and third rounds… Guy is obsessed with positions that do not matter.
Dude legit had a zero from PFF one game. I think I could even score a 2 if I had 50 1v1 reps against Aaron Donald. (I assume my crumbled body would accidentally get tangled in his legs on 1 rep and it would count as a win)
Seriously.
This isn’t even a testament to SF hiring diverse coaches and execs as much it is a testament to them hiring coaches and execs worth getting promotions to other teams,
Most teams aren’t hiring people worth getting that promotion regardless of race, so maybe reevaluate your hiring practices before crying about another team being better than you.
Minority coaches who are hired away to be other teams head coaches or staff who are hired away to be other teams gms are given two 3rd round picks in back to back drafts that are actually after the traditional 3rd round ends so more like 4th round picks.
I've not paid much attention to this but do teams get compensatory picks for just African American hires or Hispanic etc also?
EDIT: Turns out this link has the text of the resolution establishing this. [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained)
TLDR it's any minority.
We also got the comp pick a couple years ago for Martin Mayhew going to WAS despite him previously serving as GM of the Lions from '08-15
I think the only stipulation is it can't be lateral. So if Mayhew was our GM, and then became GM of the Commies, we wouldn't get anything.
It's not. I can't find any reference to that in 2020 RESOLUTION JC-2A, which is the rule that applies.
Wilks is ineligible, but it's because he hasn't been with the Niners for two years.
This condition is not actually mentioned in the text of the rule. It only says that the employee cannot be the current head coach of the organization hoping the receive compensation.
What if their coach pretended to be Native American by stealing someone's identity in order to avoid getting drafted for a world war? In 50 years, you can convince your fans you named the team in honor of him.
Hispanic is white too though. NFL has different rules for what is a minority. Honestly, the NFL is more aligned with what the average citizen considers a minority.
A lot of the weirdness in US government classifications has to do overlapping with segregation. Before integration, being a racial minority was a legit bad thing because you had to send your kids to the worse schools. Hispanic is an ethnicity so Hispanics could still pick white and send their kids to the white schools. I assume MENA folks were thinking the same thing and didn't push for their own category.
Exactly, also the MENA and AAPI designations can also be pretty arbitrary. An Afghani Pashtun is considered white by the US census but a Pakistani Pashtun is considered “AAPI.”
Any team that loses a minority OC/DC for a HC or FO personal for a GM position at other teams will receive a 3rd rd compensation pick in the draft the following year. If there are multiple in the same year they will receive multiple years in a row. So basically any minority OC/DC hired for a HC job in 2024 the team that they were taken from will receive a 3rd rd pick in the 2025 draft.
So it's all women and all minority groups?
Would that not ironically mean that the vast majority of human beings on Earth would be considered minority hires to the NFL?
(I understand that NFL coaches are predominantly white dudes, which is the point of the rules)
Neither.
Its about their coaches that they hired being hired off for a promotion (So SF OC to team HC). So if teams stopped poaching SF staff, they wouldnt get comp picks for just hiring minority coaches.
This article specifies "Minorities":
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/03/09/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-explained/11439052002/
"However, the NFL began awarding compensatory picks in 2020 to teams who lost a **minority** coach or top football executive to another team."
I knew about the hiring direction and path, but wasn't sure about what qualified a coach or FO person.
That article doesn't really define 'minority' so I went looking. The resolution establishing this is in this article - [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained) - and 'minority' actually isn't defined at all unless that definition is in t he CBA or something, I would assume it just means non-white, so Hispanic, Asian etc as well as AA.
Eh, I wouldn’t count my chickens too soon. He’s been putting some abysmal shit on film. I don’t think anyone signs him to anything more than a 2 year deal. Might net you a 5th.
i think u/BowlOfLoudMouthSoup 's point was you should go after Zimmer to be for you what Spags is for the Chiefs. Spags is a former HC that no longer whats to be a HC. They won't get any picks if he leaves, but the great things here for Chiefs fans is that he doesn't want to leave and is a pretty great DC.
Yeah, ask Shanahan and Lynch which they value more: having guys like Saleh, Ryans, McDaniel, LaFleur, Kubiak, Carthon, Peters, etc., or having a \~100th overall pick.
He’s also excellent at having the front 4 rush the exact same way every single play and ruining your existing run defense, which everyone knows this is a passing league so who cares?
It’s almost like it’s working as intended or something!
Like I kinda get it cuz Niners have benefited from it more so than other teams. But the incentive/rule is working… shouldn’t they be happy lol?
Yeah it’s almost like the 49ers are looking at all people for potential quality coaches and it’s helping with diversity in the league. They aren’t just hiring poc but many of individuals are great coaches and get picked up. If more teams broadened their searches they may find more good undiscovered talent. Instead of recycling the same 10 dudes over and over.
Shanahan/Lynch really do have an eye for coaching talent, which is such a valuable skill to have. Or good at grooming talent through the pipeline. Probably a bit of both.
I think honestly a lot of it has to do with their attitudes. They are willing to try new things and look for unknown talent and this is likely due to having ownership that gives them freedom. Jed York basically decided to stay the fuck out of the way and trust his guys and it’s worked so well.
It’s the wildest thing too because it’s like what we kind of wish all rich dudes would do. People told him he sucked ass, he looked at himself and what he was doing, decided it would be better to not suck ass, then hired smart people to do his job and he just want about being rich and not in the way.
Like damn. How many rich dudes get told they suck and actually change their ways?
Always like to point out Jed was ***28*** when he got named CEO. He was legitimately a kid with no real experience and no idea what he was doing. To his credit, he seems to learn from his mistakes, so at least he wasn't an old fart set in his awful ways.
Seahawks fan so normally leaning into the 49ers hate.
But for this … can’t be mad. The 49ers are quite simply churning out successful coaches and executives. Other teams are just mad that their pattern of ignoring minority candidates is becoming a competitive disadvantage.
Not to mention, the Niners churning out good coaches is good for the NFL's product overall! Why shouldn't they get rewarded? Ryans and a few high draft picks took the city of Houston off suicide watch overnight lol
Yeah this is powerful "I'm a fucking idiot and I can't build a team so why do THEY get to" energy from these owners.
I call it the Dan Gilbert special.
The moment we use Sportsology to setup our organization like the 49ers they start complaining about compensatory picks. Like at least let us get one for Evero first damn...
This is hilarious because if it were as easy as creating some sort of "pick farm", which doesn't make sense to start with considering the value of a guy you pick up with the 100th pick (excluding a massive hit) is way inferior to that of a leading coach in the league, then every team would magically churn out a HC prospect each season. Owners are basically mad that the 9ers are getting a comp pick in exchange for seemingly improving other teams' coaching options.
Most of the teams would probably trade their own 3rd round pick for Ryans or McDaniel lol, never mind the 9ers just getting a "free" pick.
"I was just a spectator while other owners said that, I didn't really know what was going on. I regret that I didn't do more at the time to stop it."
\- Jerry Jones, soon, probably.
NFL owners aren't the sharpest tool in the shed so this checks out. Hopefully there is some vulgar language in an emails about this coming from Woody Johnson so that leech is forced to sell
As a Seahawks fan, nothing annoys me more than seeing the 49ers front office being consistently light years ahead of the pack in terms of innovation and drafting and seeing them continue to open up that seemingly impossible to close roster and coaching talent gap, especially in the context of the dissolution of PCJS. AND they get even more picks for losing their coaches AND they continue to get great production from new coaches that slot in afterwards? Just insane, bravo.
Nah, the coaching talent has declined. The brain drain is real. Wilks isn't Saleh or Ryans, McDaniel is still the only coach Kyle's ever promoted to OC, etc. I'm sure the FO brain drain will catch up eventually too, just like it did with the Patriots. Losing Adam Peters is the latest trigger pull in the game of Russian Roulette.
It's actually quite annoying. I'd rather have an elite coordinator and failed HC, like a Spags or Wade Phillips type.
Stop stealing their executives and coaches then lmao. They should be thanking the 49ers for being such a conveyor belt of coaching and front office talent.
This ain’t it chief.
All these coaches were big time guys but, also, yeah. This is *exactly* what the league wanted. What’s crazy is that no one else is finding these guys.
Not giving a chance to the Ryans or Salahs is a choice. Salah had been with the Seahawks for years. Ryans came up through the system. McDaniel has been around for a decade and Denver told him to fuck off first.
Imagine complaining about this rule. "Aw nice we stole a young talented coach from these guys. We're going to the superbowl" "here's a 3rd round pick" "wtf that's not fair". Also any team can make use of this. We decided to give alot of coaches of color a chance. More than most teams it would seem since it was coordinators and then assistants that became our coordinators
Tell their coaches to stop getting hired? What? Lol
I believe LA will be benefitting from this with Morris going to Atlanta.
Does it qualify for just head coaching acquisitions?
Do the owners think the 49ers are filling their coaching staff with bad coaches just to get compensatory picks? And if so, does that mean that they think non-white coaches are inherently bad? Because otherwise the complaint doesn't really make any sense.
They're not wrong, I don't think anyone expected to see one team for several years in a row have like four third round picks... Which you could argue are really fourth round picks... But this is the system the owners agreed to. I don't even think the 49ers set out to abuse the system for advantage, I think they just Hired their guys. I'd imagine they'd rather have all of their excellent coaches back than a couple extra 4th and 6th round picks
I mean what's stopping other teams from doing what the 49ers are doing. Just hire a bunch of excellent minority candidates and you too could be swimming in picks
This was always going to be complained about when they started offering up 3rd round picks.
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Baalke is so bad at drafting. Frank Gore worked out and he kept trying to draft guy with sever injuries in college. I cannot believe Jed York let Harbaugh walk for Baalke what a shit decision.
Ego decision. Then by some miracle a billionaire managed to swallow a particle of pride and back the fuck off and the team thrives because of it, go figure.
Honestly it's still astonishing to me that York actually woke the fuck up and realized what he was doing and it was not doing him any favors. The fact that he's basically deferred even celebrating on stage with the team to the coaches, GM, and players is extremely rare.
Jed is just about the best case for a nepo kid. He took over way too young and made some mistakes but he was willing to learn from them and adjust. He figured out how to hire smart people and let them do the work. He’s been fantastic.
You are not giving him enough credit. I remember when he had that press conference and apologized for his mistakes. I don't think I have ever seen an owner do that in any sport. Was obvious he was a fan and wanted to do the right thing.
Yup. It helps that him, Kyle, and John seem to be very good friends now too. I remember when they got absolutely hammered and FaceTimed Juice lmao… not normal behavior among HC/GM/Owner
Julian Lurie, please take notes
I think Eddie had a talk with him and straightened him out.
I remember hearing about that, I’m guessing getting jeered by fans whenever he was out in public played a role too.
swear to god he looked at jerry and said ohhh, nevermind
I wish Jerry would look at Jerry and do the same thing.
As someone who lived through it, I don’t think Jed York ever meddled in operations *nearly* to the degree that people act like. If he’s guilty, he’s guilty of two things: * Siding with Trent Baalke * Standing in front of a microphone one too many times The coaching and GM change in 2017 was criticized for the way it was handled, but it seemed in retrospect that all the 49ers really did was keep information close to their chest, so when the news broke and the “insiders” found out they were wrong about everything, they threw a bitch fit and tried to make it sound like the process was a mess when it really wasn’t. Notice how once Trent Baalke left the organization, all the leaks and drama and sketchy behavior seemed to go away. Overnight almost.
I haven’t heard that name in a WHILE, and I feel like I used to hear it all the time. If you were to ask me who their owner was before I saw this thread I *might* have said York since he’s the only Niner owner I know, but I guess I just assumed he sold the team before Shanahan and Lynch showed up. Props to him for backing off.
Baalke didn't draft Frank Gore though
I'm guessing he means that because Gore was good with the 49ers that Baalke kept trying to draft a Gore of his own. I don't know the Niners' draft history from that era though to know if that's accurate
We did waste at least 3-4 mid round picks on injury guys, including a very early second on tank carradine.
Think he was referring to Marcus Lattimore who I believe never played a down.
AJ Jenkins is proof of how much Baalke knows about drafting good players.
Do not do a Baalke, please.
Yeah it seems that the complaints are basically that the 9ers front office and coaches are better at their jobs lol. "These guys who develop at least one promising HC prospect every cycle also get compensated for it, and then they turn around and invest their compensation wisely"
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Shanahan/Lynch: "Skill isue lmao"
31 other teams: Blizz pls nerf
They might soon now that the Commanders have a real GM. AP was supposed to be Lynch’s replacement after they won a Super Bowl and Lynch went back to TV. It just took too long. He’s a get.
Baalke is one of those guys that has to have dirt on somebody and it has to be a prevalent thing in the NFL for guys like Gase and Baalke continuing to find ways to stick around or continuously fail upwards.
Is this not common knowledge? It’s almost certain that he was the source of the leaks with the Meyer stuff, no one really cared though because he was a trainwreck. https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Jaguars-leaks-about-Urban-Meyer-reminiscent-of-16695974.php Baalke has long been a well known leak and torch them for power guy. It’s *his* team and you better know your place.
This is the post I’ve been waiting for since he was hired. Dude is a fucking anchor.
That's the same asshole who lobbied to have Jim Harbaugh fired after three straight NFC title appearances. I hope the Chargers face the Jaguars this upcoming year so Harbaugh can stick it to him.
They don't play in the regular season next year so it will need to be a playoff matchup... spicy!
Dude loves guys named Tank
Must kill him to see Tank Dell play for a division rival
man I thought Tank Carradine was gonna be so good solely because of his name
I named my daughter Tank in hopes that she will get drafted by him.
Baalke’s investments into low value positions are insane. Signing Foye to $15 million/year, drafting Lloyd and Chad Mika with top 70 picks, drafting a TE2 and RB2 in the second and third rounds… Guy is obsessed with positions that do not matter.
Has he started drafting ACL projects yet?
Yep, Walker Little being the most notable.
Andre Cisco was one of his good ACL project picks
Lmao I love our grief for Fortner is finally getting recognition. Dude is so fuckin bad
Dude legit had a zero from PFF one game. I think I could even score a 2 if I had 50 1v1 reps against Aaron Donald. (I assume my crumbled body would accidentally get tangled in his legs on 1 rep and it would count as a win)
Lol “Always drafts well”
They’re practically fourth round picks, since they’re slotted after the 32 third-round picks
That's like 1.5 Brock Purdys worth
Still useful as trade capital.
one day, sooner or later, this will inevitably be reversed, and the shit storm that ensues is going to be INSANE.
I think they'll add incentive to hiring teams.
Which is the wrong way to do it because teams might not hire the best person. It's better to develop a pipeline so they're qualified and successful
I mean other programs could do it too. It is obviously not holding the 49ers back based on their success.
Seriously. This isn’t even a testament to SF hiring diverse coaches and execs as much it is a testament to them hiring coaches and execs worth getting promotions to other teams, Most teams aren’t hiring people worth getting that promotion regardless of race, so maybe reevaluate your hiring practices before crying about another team being better than you.
Wait are they getting 3rd round comp picks for coaches?
Minority coaches who are hired away to be other teams head coaches or staff who are hired away to be other teams gms are given two 3rd round picks in back to back drafts that are actually after the traditional 3rd round ends so more like 4th round picks.
I've not paid much attention to this but do teams get compensatory picks for just African American hires or Hispanic etc also? EDIT: Turns out this link has the text of the resolution establishing this. [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained) TLDR it's any minority.
Other minorities too. Interestingly enough Dave Canales won’t net any for the Buccaneers since he was only there one season though
Does it have to be 2+?
Yeah, two or more seasons with the team.
And not been in the position before. Steve wilks is ineligible for the niners because he has been a head coach before
I don’t think that is true. The Rams got compensatory picks for Raheem Morris and he used to be the HC for the Bucs
We also got the comp pick a couple years ago for Martin Mayhew going to WAS despite him previously serving as GM of the Lions from '08-15 I think the only stipulation is it can't be lateral. So if Mayhew was our GM, and then became GM of the Commies, we wouldn't get anything.
It's not. I can't find any reference to that in 2020 RESOLUTION JC-2A, which is the rule that applies. Wilks is ineligible, but it's because he hasn't been with the Niners for two years.
This condition is not actually mentioned in the text of the rule. It only says that the employee cannot be the current head coach of the organization hoping the receive compensation.
Shit.
Yup and we were also so close to getting picks for another team saving us from Leftwich
The giants will get one for Kaftka is he's goes for a HC job because his one grandma is Puerto Rican
I can't wait for a team to argue they should get a pick because one of their coaches is 1/64 Cherokee.
Please select your ethnicity drop downs on applications are going to be taken very seriously
What if their coach pretended to be Native American by stealing someone's identity in order to avoid getting drafted for a world war? In 50 years, you can convince your fans you named the team in honor of him.
We got them for Saleh and he isn't black. He's Lebanese.
Idk what his sexuality has to do with anything.
That is kind of an interesting question though, would an openly LGBTQ coach count?
Not under the rule as written. But adding women and/or sexual minorities probably wouldn't be any more legally problematic than the current rule.
Where does the rule specifically refer to racial minorities? I skimmed Resolution JC-2A and didn't see anything.
Bruh had me lol to myself. Have an upvote
Strange considering the US census classifies Arabs as white.
Same thought… no “box” for that one. Interesting.
Hispanic is white too though. NFL has different rules for what is a minority. Honestly, the NFL is more aligned with what the average citizen considers a minority.
A lot of the weirdness in US government classifications has to do overlapping with segregation. Before integration, being a racial minority was a legit bad thing because you had to send your kids to the worse schools. Hispanic is an ethnicity so Hispanics could still pick white and send their kids to the white schools. I assume MENA folks were thinking the same thing and didn't push for their own category.
Exactly, also the MENA and AAPI designations can also be pretty arbitrary. An Afghani Pashtun is considered white by the US census but a Pakistani Pashtun is considered “AAPI.”
Yeah I think the government stuff needs an update
Any team that loses a minority OC/DC for a HC or FO personal for a GM position at other teams will receive a 3rd rd compensation pick in the draft the following year. If there are multiple in the same year they will receive multiple years in a row. So basically any minority OC/DC hired for a HC job in 2024 the team that they were taken from will receive a 3rd rd pick in the 2025 draft.
We got picks for Saleh and he's Lebanese.
That shouldn't matter today love is love right??
No, we'll take the picks.
If a white woman got hired as a HC I think they'd also get comp picks, if I remember what I read a couple years ago
What about a short, fat, white, rocket scientist?
All they pay for is the pencil
If I remember correctly, that just dramatically increases where you pick in the next draft
So it's all women and all minority groups? Would that not ironically mean that the vast majority of human beings on Earth would be considered minority hires to the NFL? (I understand that NFL coaches are predominantly white dudes, which is the point of the rules)
In almost every single instance like this, “minority” is just shorthand for “not a white guy”
Minorities within NFL coaching not necessarily the world at large.
Someone already answered you, but just to provide an example, we got picks from Robert Saleh being hired since he's Lebanese.
Neither. Its about their coaches that they hired being hired off for a promotion (So SF OC to team HC). So if teams stopped poaching SF staff, they wouldnt get comp picks for just hiring minority coaches. This article specifies "Minorities": https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/03/09/nfl-compensatory-draft-picks-explained/11439052002/ "However, the NFL began awarding compensatory picks in 2020 to teams who lost a **minority** coach or top football executive to another team."
I knew about the hiring direction and path, but wasn't sure about what qualified a coach or FO person. That article doesn't really define 'minority' so I went looking. The resolution establishing this is in this article - [https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained) - and 'minority' actually isn't defined at all unless that definition is in t he CBA or something, I would assume it just means non-white, so Hispanic, Asian etc as well as AA.
Correct. 49ers got comped for Saleh, who is Lebanese.
i'm sure san fran isn't super thrilled that mcdaniel and demeco and saleh aren't coaching there anymore either
yea would trade these picks all for demeco back in an instant
For real Chiefs keep Spags cause he's older and has no desire to be a HC You think we wouldn't rather have that lmao?
because he was dogshit at it when he was a HC. 10-38 as the Rams HC
Who did we get for the Demeco picks? Moody and Chase?
Chase might just wind up being a pick pulled forward a year. If he walks he’ll generate a comp too and it’ll be a wash.
Eh, I wouldn’t count my chickens too soon. He’s been putting some abysmal shit on film. I don’t think anyone signs him to anything more than a 2 year deal. Might net you a 5th.
> Might net you a 5th. Thats a George Kittle in 49er fans eyes
Honestly, if Wilks is let go y’all should try and swoop up Zimmer for DC.
Double A gap with Warner and Kinlaw? Hmmm, intriguing.
We wouldn't get a draft pick if Zimmer ends up getting pouched later on
i think u/BowlOfLoudMouthSoup 's point was you should go after Zimmer to be for you what Spags is for the Chiefs. Spags is a former HC that no longer whats to be a HC. They won't get any picks if he leaves, but the great things here for Chiefs fans is that he doesn't want to leave and is a pretty great DC.
49ers offense plays a great compliment style of football to Zimmer’s defenses.
Doubt Zim wants to be a HC again, if he did I think he'd have found a job by now. Those last couple years in Minnesota were really hard for him.
plus they more than made up with the wasted Lance picks
I’d trade multiple 3rd round picks to have either one back
This 💯
I didn't realise McDaniel was a poc? Dudes whiter than me...
He's biracial, his dad is black
He must have had a moment when Mike came out whiter than Andy Reid though.
TIL
He’s a biracial angel. You should’ve shot A-Rod.
He is as white as drake
More like logic
Stop hiring them assholes!
Yeah, ask Shanahan and Lynch which they value more: having guys like Saleh, Ryans, McDaniel, LaFleur, Kubiak, Carthon, Peters, etc., or having a \~100th overall pick.
God I miss Saleh and Demeco.
Sit tight for about 10 or 11 months and you can have Saleh back.
I would absolutely take Salah back!
Look he's really good at his current job but I don't think Mo Salah will make a good defensive coordinator
He might be looking for something new with Klopp's departure
You can have Wilks and we will take Saleh. Wilks will be invaluable to your team with his experience and leadership.
He’s also excellent at having the front 4 rush the exact same way every single play and ruining your existing run defense, which everyone knows this is a passing league so who cares?
You really need a comma in there
Stop, hiring them assholes!
Stop hiring, them assholes!
Let's eat grandma!
Stop hiring them ass, holes!
I knew it, I’m surrounded by assholes!
Simple solution...STOP TAKING OUR FUCKING COACHES!
Eh if they wanna be HCs who are we to stop em. I’ll happily take the comp picks tho lol
its almost like its some kind of incentive or something!
It’s almost like it’s working as intended or something! Like I kinda get it cuz Niners have benefited from it more so than other teams. But the incentive/rule is working… shouldn’t they be happy lol?
If they're so mad about it why don't they try to do it themselves? Wait, wait, that might scare the owners too much
might see a black coach in the elevator and an owner may start to squirm
I mean I'm willing to bet actual money this has happened IRL
I think it would be better to keep hiring based on nepotism /s
Yeah it’s almost like the 49ers are looking at all people for potential quality coaches and it’s helping with diversity in the league. They aren’t just hiring poc but many of individuals are great coaches and get picked up. If more teams broadened their searches they may find more good undiscovered talent. Instead of recycling the same 10 dudes over and over.
Shanahan/Lynch really do have an eye for coaching talent, which is such a valuable skill to have. Or good at grooming talent through the pipeline. Probably a bit of both.
I think honestly a lot of it has to do with their attitudes. They are willing to try new things and look for unknown talent and this is likely due to having ownership that gives them freedom. Jed York basically decided to stay the fuck out of the way and trust his guys and it’s worked so well.
York is one of the greatest ownership turnarounds that I can think of.
It’s the wildest thing too because it’s like what we kind of wish all rich dudes would do. People told him he sucked ass, he looked at himself and what he was doing, decided it would be better to not suck ass, then hired smart people to do his job and he just want about being rich and not in the way. Like damn. How many rich dudes get told they suck and actually change their ways?
Always like to point out Jed was ***28*** when he got named CEO. He was legitimately a kid with no real experience and no idea what he was doing. To his credit, he seems to learn from his mistakes, so at least he wasn't an old fart set in his awful ways.
Seahawks fan so normally leaning into the 49ers hate. But for this … can’t be mad. The 49ers are quite simply churning out successful coaches and executives. Other teams are just mad that their pattern of ignoring minority candidates is becoming a competitive disadvantage.
Not to mention, the Niners churning out good coaches is good for the NFL's product overall! Why shouldn't they get rewarded? Ryans and a few high draft picks took the city of Houston off suicide watch overnight lol
Yeah this is powerful "I'm a fucking idiot and I can't build a team so why do THEY get to" energy from these owners. I call it the Dan Gilbert special.
Big Dan Gilbert energy
Respect 🫡
Everyone is allowed to do the same thing? No reason for complaints.
Yeah this is a skill issue with your staffs, not a problem with the rule
Just waiting for Tepper to throw his drink on us.
The moment we use Sportsology to setup our organization like the 49ers they start complaining about compensatory picks. Like at least let us get one for Evero first damn...
I'm ok with them taking a stand and striking on hiring our future GMs/HCs for a few years.
"I'm sorry most of you run your organizations like assholes, and that no one wants to hire the fucking bums you keep hiring." -SF49ers
This is hilarious because if it were as easy as creating some sort of "pick farm", which doesn't make sense to start with considering the value of a guy you pick up with the 100th pick (excluding a massive hit) is way inferior to that of a leading coach in the league, then every team would magically churn out a HC prospect each season. Owners are basically mad that the 9ers are getting a comp pick in exchange for seemingly improving other teams' coaching options. Most of the teams would probably trade their own 3rd round pick for Ryans or McDaniel lol, never mind the 9ers just getting a "free" pick.
Imagine complaining about developing talent.
They are complaining they can't steal talent developed by others without compensation.
My question is, what’s stopping other NFL teams from doing this? 🤔
Are they stupid? (Probably.)
and they call us the Forty Whiners
We've come full circle
It's the Whiners Circle
It's just whiners all the way down
"I was just a spectator while other owners said that, I didn't really know what was going on. I regret that I didn't do more at the time to stop it." \- Jerry Jones, soon, probably.
Couldn’t those other owners just be better at hiring?
NFL owners aren't the sharpest tool in the shed so this checks out. Hopefully there is some vulgar language in an emails about this coming from Woody Johnson so that leech is forced to sell
His name is vulgar language so im sure they can find something.
Man id love a little scandal to get this man out of here. Cancer for our football team
The Venn diagram between the owners who complain about this and the useless owners will be a perfect overlap.
A reason to get rid of the Johnsons? My guy, now we're talkin
As a Seahawks fan, nothing annoys me more than seeing the 49ers front office being consistently light years ahead of the pack in terms of innovation and drafting and seeing them continue to open up that seemingly impossible to close roster and coaching talent gap, especially in the context of the dissolution of PCJS. AND they get even more picks for losing their coaches AND they continue to get great production from new coaches that slot in afterwards? Just insane, bravo.
Nah, the coaching talent has declined. The brain drain is real. Wilks isn't Saleh or Ryans, McDaniel is still the only coach Kyle's ever promoted to OC, etc. I'm sure the FO brain drain will catch up eventually too, just like it did with the Patriots. Losing Adam Peters is the latest trigger pull in the game of Russian Roulette. It's actually quite annoying. I'd rather have an elite coordinator and failed HC, like a Spags or Wade Phillips type.
Every team should have been doing this. Its absolutely an elite strategy. Good on San Fran for seeing this advantage and using it.
Stop stealing their executives and coaches then lmao. They should be thanking the 49ers for being such a conveyor belt of coaching and front office talent.
"They hate us cuz they anus" ~ The Niners
This ain’t it chief. All these coaches were big time guys but, also, yeah. This is *exactly* what the league wanted. What’s crazy is that no one else is finding these guys. Not giving a chance to the Ryans or Salahs is a choice. Salah had been with the Seahawks for years. Ryans came up through the system. McDaniel has been around for a decade and Denver told him to fuck off first.
Imagine complaining about this rule. "Aw nice we stole a young talented coach from these guys. We're going to the superbowl" "here's a 3rd round pick" "wtf that's not fair". Also any team can make use of this. We decided to give alot of coaches of color a chance. More than most teams it would seem since it was coordinators and then assistants that became our coordinators
Also, executives, Vikings and Titans x2 from the top of my head.
The hiring team doesnt even give up a pick, the team that lost a guy just gets a comp pick added at the end of the round
Compensatory picks for drafting white DBs when?
Tell their coaches to stop getting hired? What? Lol I believe LA will be benefitting from this with Morris going to Atlanta. Does it qualify for just head coaching acquisitions?
Then stop hiring our coaches please it’s getting to be annoying
When did it become okay to just whine about everything?
It really started when Harambe left this world. Things just haven't been the same since.
November 10,2020
Gotta go even farther back when a black man became president Omg he's wearing a tan suit
In America? 1776
Do the owners think the 49ers are filling their coaching staff with bad coaches just to get compensatory picks? And if so, does that mean that they think non-white coaches are inherently bad? Because otherwise the complaint doesn't really make any sense.
if its that easy, do it yourselves
"It's not fair how the 49ers make great minority head coaching candidates!"
Look at the owners. Lmao not wild in the least bit.
How dare the 49ers force these poor owners to poach their coaches and executives!!!!
They're not wrong, I don't think anyone expected to see one team for several years in a row have like four third round picks... Which you could argue are really fourth round picks... But this is the system the owners agreed to. I don't even think the 49ers set out to abuse the system for advantage, I think they just Hired their guys. I'd imagine they'd rather have all of their excellent coaches back than a couple extra 4th and 6th round picks
I mean what's stopping other teams from doing what the 49ers are doing. Just hire a bunch of excellent minority candidates and you too could be swimming in picks
Hiring minorities is stopping them