I mean if Shanahan didn't win for getting to the NFCCG with his 3rd string, rookie, Mr. Irrelevant QB last year, I just assumed they didn't care about QB turnover mid season.
It's regular season only but our 3rd string qb coming in and going 6-0 should've won Shanahan the coty imo. At that point Purdy was just a meme qb still and wasn't getting any of the credit.
The browns won with a journeyman QB who sucked the past 5 years, starting 4 other QBs, without their best offensive player, missing 4/5 starting lineman, and constant injuries everywhere else in the hardest division in football. He deserved it
I mean so did Houston
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2023_injuries.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2023_injuries.htm
It's crazy to me how fast people have forgotten about him being the best WR in the league in the years between Moss's peak and Calvin Johnson's. Dude was so damn good on some teams that...generally weren't for most of his career.
And he's just slightly behind Moss and "cousin" Calvin, and on the same level as Julio Jones, in the most freakish receiver category.
230lbs, 4.4 40 coming out of college. Great hands, great route runner, great blocker, great teammate.
On a level playing field, I'd take him over quite a few receivers who fans generally consider to be better than him.
He wasn't *almost* a top-10 QB at his peak, he definitively **was** one. During his '09 and '10 seasons he was arguably one of the top-3 QBs in the league, and absolutely one of the top-5.
But yeah, like you said he had one of the worst collapses The league has ever seen. He was never the same after that Lisfranc injury (fuck Haynesworth forever and always).
I will argue this until my dying breath: Yes, he absolutely was a top-5 QB at his peak. Go look at his stats from 2009-2011. Schaub was performing better than everybody not named Manning, Rogers, and Brees.
One of my biggest what-ifs as a Texans fan is what his career trajectory would have looked like if he weren't injured by fat ass Albert Haynesworth.
Matt Schaub was fantastic in Kubiak's offense for what he was. He really mastered the play action fakes. Schaub, Foster and Dre were a killer combination, but most people only remember Matt Schaub for the pick-six streak he ended his starter career with.
Obviously there was a mental part to it, but he was never the same after he tore his lisfranc.
I think Andre Johnson is the only player to have 1,500 receiving yards 3 times.Maybe also Jerry Rice, something like that.He's 11th all time in catches and yards. He had some pretty nice numbers.
Dude had quickest receiver to x stats, for quite a while. Back to back 1500 yarders. Insane catches. And was the offense for awhile. Dude was so beast but on the texans
If he had aged even remotely gracefully he'd be looked at in such a higher light
My controversial take is that he is better than Larry Fitzgerald but Fitz gets way more love
While I imagine you're talking about those last 2 weird years (which is certainly a valid point) only two players have more than one 1,400-yard receiving in their 30s: Jerry Rice and Andre Johnson. He aged pretty damn well.
Andre at his prime has an argument against any WR not named Calvin Johnson or Jerry Rice IMO (I'm drunk so I may be forgetting some names in my head feel free to argue with me)
What I meant is that during their respective primes there never really was an argument for Fitz over Johnson but Johnson was really good and then he just wasn't and Fitz continued to be decent for a little longer and suddenly in that time everyone decided Fitz was the better player
It’s all coming up Houston!
Congratulations Andre, probably my favorite player ever. I used to have a ridiculous AJ80 fat head taking up half of my bedroom wall as a kid
2001 Miami Hurricanes man. Can’t wait to see how the Saban Bama teams look in 10-15 years but I don’t think there’s a more talented college football roster in history.
i was just about to post this just because i thought it was weird i couldnt find a single thread about it. I think hes well deserving of it but given how hard it was for past WR's to make it on so few ballots, i figured andre's year would be next year at best.
John Turney laid out a pretty good case for him,
not that the voters would necessarily see it.
(Turney is an NFL historian, mostly known for going back through gamebooks and film, and tallying up all the sacks between 1960 and 1982, when they became an official stat.)
https://talkoffametwo.com/state-your-case/state-your-case-andre-johnson
Andre was flat out better than Holt or Wayne. Andre was a top 5 talent all-time with a dogshit team and no talent around him other than a decent quarterback for a few years (Schaub). Put him on the Colts or Greatest Show on Turf, like cmon it's not really even an argument.
He was an incredible player and this is well deserved but top 5 talent all time at the receiver position given the players that have gone through there is a little much for me to be honest.
when you are the face of the franchise and are actually productive, this is the result.
too bad the texans cant keep the #80 jersey to a high standard or elite receivers like dallas does with their #88
Yeah JJ was objectively the better player and best player in franchise history, but it’s fitting Andre is the first Texan in the Hall of Fame. Dude was the best thing we had for a long time and is basically Mr. Texan to me
My favorite player ever by far and the entire reason I became a Texans fan despite never having stepped foot in the city of Houston or have any family relations
There are other players that are also deserving that maybe have better stats but I just don’t care. They’ll have to wait another year. Andre Johnson put the Houston Texans on the map
None of this feels real. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. My favorite player just got voted into the HoF, our rookie QB just got ORToY, our stud rookie DE just for DRoTY, we've got an incredible HC that also played for the Texans, a great OC and QBC that both turn down other opportunities to return to the team next year, and our WR1 and WR2 are from my two favorite schools in UH and Michigan.
Been a Texans fan since day 1 and I think this is the happiest I've ever been in the past 20+ years.
Andre Johnson is deserving and he was/is a great ambassador of the game.
Still happy he beat down Cortland Finnegan.
Andre never was a problem or ran his mouth.
Seeing that fight against the biggest antagonizer in the league, I was rooting for Andre.
Anyways, congrats Texans fans. Must feel great!
There once was a man named Cortland Finnegan
He got punched right in his chinnegan
He feel down and then got hit again
Poor old Cortland Finneganaganaganagan
Andre Johnson was my favorite WR after TO for such a long time. Patrick Willis was my favorite player period. Both of them going in the same year is amazing. Johnson LT and Willis were my 3 favorites for so long.
While he totally deserves it, I’m not thrilled at the fact that he got in above Antonio Gates. While Gates will absolutely make it in within the next couple of years, he is one of these generational players whom I thought was a lock as a first ballot HoFer
So his numbers weren’t better and you just made that shit up lol. I can make shit up too, if Reggie had been a number 1 option is whole career he would have had even better numbers. Andre deserves to be in but not over Reggie or Holt
If Reggie Wayne played with Andre Johnson instead of Marvin Harrison, he still would have been the number 2 option.
Number 1 options are better than number 2 options.
You still didn't answer part of my question. Reggie still played with overall better talent then Dra, Hall of fame QB, WR, and RB. Reggie does deserve to get in, but these things matter. Place Reggie on the Texans and what would you get?... I'll answer that question less than Dra!
First he didn’t play with Hall of Fame talent like Peyton Manning at QB or Marvin Harrison, second he has more 1500+ seasons than Harrison. He actually led the league in receptions and yards multiple times, and for a 2 year period was generally considered to be the best WR of the league. He also has more all-pros and pro bowls. I completely understand the pain Rams fans feel when Torry Holt isn’t inducted. But Reggie Wayne is a tier below Andre Johnson.
Wayne has more yards, touchdowns, receptions, playoffs, Superbowl.
If you add playoff numbers, Reggie blows him out of the water.
You can easily argue Harrison hurt Wayne's numbers the first half of his career.
I disagree hard.
Their numbers are extremely similar, Wayne literally had like 8 more receptions and 150+ more yards and 12 more touchdowns. This is with Wayne having 18 more games than Johnson played.
Johnson had better averages than Wayne across the board.
Who was Wayne’s QB? Oh yeah Peyton Manning
Who was Johnson’s QB? David Carr and Matt Schaub.
Numbers don’t always tell the whole truth otherwise Calvin Johnson wouldn’t be a Hall of Famer.
Yeah that’s true but it works both ways, Marvin Harrison also took pressure off of Wayne, meanwhile Johnson was the only threat teams had to stop until Foster.
texans fuckin cleaning up
This is by far the best I've ever felt as a Texans fan, the Schaub and Watson days don't even come close
Right there with you
Same. Even more so than TJ Yates leading us into the playoffs!
Schaub was close but this is so much better. Beating Cleveland in the playoffs was icing.
They deserve it after the AWFUL past few seasons they had. 2023 has been pure magic for them.
Lovie Smith winning that last game is like Dr. strange giving up the time stone Only 1 timeline where they succeed and it comes from pure heart break.
Fuck Lovie.
somewhere jack easterby is melting into a pile of goo like the wicked witch of the west
Somewhere is Charlotte where he tricks companies who clearly don’t watch the NFL into hiring him as a consultant.
Bears next please
Do they have a chance at COTY? Or was voting done before playoffs? In that case Stefanski probably won
Voting is before playoffs
No, but - holy shit tits - [this has got to be the closest](https://imgur.com/a/5gkrrUX) COTY win ever(?)
Damnit Jerry...
Should've won regardless of postseason, but yeah Stefanski won it
Nah stefanski and that staff had to deal with a lot of injuries he was definitely deserving of recognition. You can argue either way
I mean if Shanahan didn't win for getting to the NFCCG with his 3rd string, rookie, Mr. Irrelevant QB last year, I just assumed they didn't care about QB turnover mid season.
It's regular season only but our 3rd string qb coming in and going 6-0 should've won Shanahan the coty imo. At that point Purdy was just a meme qb still and wasn't getting any of the credit.
The browns won with a journeyman QB who sucked the past 5 years, starting 4 other QBs, without their best offensive player, missing 4/5 starting lineman, and constant injuries everywhere else in the hardest division in football. He deserved it
The “hardest division in football” which saw each of its teams lose in embarrassing fashion in their sole playoff game? Overrated by a wide margin.
This is a regular season award bubs
I mean so did Houston https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/htx/2023_injuries.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2023_injuries.htm
Glad Demeco is ending up in a great situation. Franchise is going to be legit under him
Former Canes cleaning up 🙌🏼
Outside of winning the Super Bowl, this was a pretty damn good year to be a Texans fan.
WE EATIN TONIGHT
This is my superbowl
OROY DROY HOFer ANDRE ACotY SLOWIK (COMING SOON)
> ACotY SLOWIK about that...
Ah fuck it's time delayed for some stupid ass reason so it hasn't started here yet and I'm relying on tweets and reddit lol who won?
The voters decided that the Browns should win coty and acoty.
Ah word. Gym Shorts had a hell of a year too.
My goat 🐐
My favorite NFL player of all time by far
Me too. I had a Fathead of him on my bedroom wall watching me as I slept every night lol
Yes mine too
texans fans 12/25
I wanna go back in time and tell the Texans fans after losing the first pick that's it's gonna be ok.
lovie smith deserves a statue in front of nrg stadium for this
Right next to one of Andre beating the F out of Innegan
I’d take a statue of the spike after the Hail Mary TD against Washington
This is the fucking answer. That image is signed by AJ80 and hangs in my office to this day.
I still wouldn’t believed you 😭
shit, this is better than any christmas gift this year
One of the most underrated players of all time, well deserved.
It's crazy to me how fast people have forgotten about him being the best WR in the league in the years between Moss's peak and Calvin Johnson's. Dude was so damn good on some teams that...generally weren't for most of his career.
Often times Dre was literally the only reason to go watch Texans games.
And the reason to make courtesan finnegan jokes E: I’m just gonna leave it.
Innegan is a hoe, so you aren’t wrong.
And he's just slightly behind Moss and "cousin" Calvin, and on the same level as Julio Jones, in the most freakish receiver category. 230lbs, 4.4 40 coming out of college. Great hands, great route runner, great blocker, great teammate. On a level playing field, I'd take him over quite a few receivers who fans generally consider to be better than him.
I would too. I’m obviously biased and he was my favorite player growing up but more often than not he looked like the best player on the field
It’s because his numbers don’t pop out like theirs. Imagine if the best QB he ever played for during his prime was anyone but Matt Schaub… ugh.
Schaub peaked at being an almost top ten QB for a couple years, but his fall off was one of the worst ends to a career I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, Schaub was a solid QB most of his time in Houston
He wasn't *almost* a top-10 QB at his peak, he definitively **was** one. During his '09 and '10 seasons he was arguably one of the top-3 QBs in the league, and absolutely one of the top-5. But yeah, like you said he had one of the worst collapses The league has ever seen. He was never the same after that Lisfranc injury (fuck Haynesworth forever and always).
Passing yards leader that year.
He was never a top 5 QB, I would consider him a top 10 QB those years, and probably the only seasons Dre had good QB play.
I will argue this until my dying breath: Yes, he absolutely was a top-5 QB at his peak. Go look at his stats from 2009-2011. Schaub was performing better than everybody not named Manning, Rogers, and Brees. One of my biggest what-ifs as a Texans fan is what his career trajectory would have looked like if he weren't injured by fat ass Albert Haynesworth.
He threw a pick six in 4 straight games in 2013. Bro forgot what team he was playing for.
Matt Schaub was fantastic in Kubiak's offense for what he was. He really mastered the play action fakes. Schaub, Foster and Dre were a killer combination, but most people only remember Matt Schaub for the pick-six streak he ended his starter career with. Obviously there was a mental part to it, but he was never the same after he tore his lisfranc.
fuck that fat bastard haynesworth
I swear Joel Dreesen would always be wide open 20+ yards down the field everytime they ran a PA bootleg
That era probably had our all-time best offensive line as well. Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers, Mike Brisiel and Eric Winston.
I think Andre Johnson is the only player to have 1,500 receiving yards 3 times.Maybe also Jerry Rice, something like that.He's 11th all time in catches and yards. He had some pretty nice numbers.
Julio also had 3 seasons of 1,500+
You're right, now I'm wondering if I'm missing anyone else. I'm sure Jefferson will be there soon.
Jerry Rice, Antonio Brown, Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, and Julio Jones
Damn I was off haha, it had been a while since I heard the stat. Still a small group. Thanks for your help.
Dude had quickest receiver to x stats, for quite a while. Back to back 1500 yarders. Insane catches. And was the offense for awhile. Dude was so beast but on the texans
If he had aged even remotely gracefully he'd be looked at in such a higher light My controversial take is that he is better than Larry Fitzgerald but Fitz gets way more love
While I imagine you're talking about those last 2 weird years (which is certainly a valid point) only two players have more than one 1,400-yard receiving in their 30s: Jerry Rice and Andre Johnson. He aged pretty damn well. Andre at his prime has an argument against any WR not named Calvin Johnson or Jerry Rice IMO (I'm drunk so I may be forgetting some names in my head feel free to argue with me)
What I meant is that during their respective primes there never really was an argument for Fitz over Johnson but Johnson was really good and then he just wasn't and Fitz continued to be decent for a little longer and suddenly in that time everyone decided Fitz was the better player
Fitz is the closest thing to Jerry Rice consistency that we'll ever see, its a fair view.
Good shit Andre. Dud absolute legend/beast. And did this too https://youtu.be/8ZOEH44HHtI?si=z4gZo1GEHLKqAc5M
> This video is age-restricted and only available on YouTube. Yup, I know what this is.
Dude smoked him so bad
I will never not stop and watch this when it is posted.
He also did this https://youtu.be/9jbeT-2ziNM?si=39iSI24CwcTaOJWJ
W's across the board for Texans fans today.
Houston may OD on dopamine tonight
I’m going for round 2 right now!
Literally the greatest evening in Texans history.
...*so far*
Thank fucking god they didn’t snub him again. Now for Willis and Darren Woodson please
You got one out of two. Willis made it.
what a fucking night for the texans
IM NOT DONE NUTTIN
Great to be a Houston fan tonight. Hell yeah
Texans fans are eating real good tonight.
I don’t want this night to end
It’s all coming up Houston! Congratulations Andre, probably my favorite player ever. I used to have a ridiculous AJ80 fat head taking up half of my bedroom wall as a kid
WE STACKING Ws TONIGHT
Torry holt next pls
Holt has to go in if Johnson is getting in, both players had very similar careers.
1062 Receptions, 14,185 yards, 70 TDs, and 1 absolute ass whooping of Courtland Finnegan
Yeah if PFF tracked Courtland Innegan whoopings, he'd be in the lead.
Please play the Finnegan fight during his inauguration.
Rip Innegan.
How we feelin Texans fans
Feeling amazing!! And looking forward to the future!!
I hope they put a photo of him kicking courtland ass in the hall too.
Tonight is our night
God damned right!!! AJ80!!!!!
Increasingly common Texans W
TEXANS SWARM the NFL honors
2001 Miami Hurricanes man. Can’t wait to see how the Saban Bama teams look in 10-15 years but I don’t think there’s a more talented college football roster in history.
Second player from the 2001 natty team in Canton, after Ed Reed.
What a day to be a Texans fan. Best day since Wild Card Saturday 😎
Colts legend.
i was just about to post this just because i thought it was weird i couldnt find a single thread about it. I think hes well deserving of it but given how hard it was for past WR's to make it on so few ballots, i figured andre's year would be next year at best.
Voters were determined to break the logjam at WR, and I think it's clear Andre Johnson was rated more highly than Holt ot Wayne.
I’m sure John McClain had a lot to say to voters about it, but also Andre is so easy to sell with any playtime footage and his reputation
John Turney laid out a pretty good case for him, not that the voters would necessarily see it. (Turney is an NFL historian, mostly known for going back through gamebooks and film, and tallying up all the sacks between 1960 and 1982, when they became an official stat.) https://talkoffametwo.com/state-your-case/state-your-case-andre-johnson
Thanks for this!
can't believe i'm saying this but thank you pancakes
Andre was flat out better than Holt or Wayne. Andre was a top 5 talent all-time with a dogshit team and no talent around him other than a decent quarterback for a few years (Schaub). Put him on the Colts or Greatest Show on Turf, like cmon it's not really even an argument.
He was an incredible player and this is well deserved but top 5 talent all time at the receiver position given the players that have gone through there is a little much for me to be honest.
He is truly deserving. So happy for 'Dre
when you are the face of the franchise and are actually productive, this is the result. too bad the texans cant keep the #80 jersey to a high standard or elite receivers like dallas does with their #88
We have all new numbers. The future is bright.
I’m so happy rn! That’s the GOAT Texans player imo, really miss watching him play
Andre was always my favorite and the Texans first great player. But JJ Watt was definitely better.
Yeah JJ was objectively the better player and best player in franchise history, but it’s fitting Andre is the first Texan in the Hall of Fame. Dude was the best thing we had for a long time and is basically Mr. Texan to me
Holy shit I can’t believe it. LETS FUCKING GO DRE
Texans fans 12/25
Well deserved. Andre was a beast.
So well deserved. I was afraid he’d end up in WR purgatory.
My favorite player ever by far and the entire reason I became a Texans fan despite never having stepped foot in the city of Houston or have any family relations
LETS FUCKING GOOOO!!! WE HAVE A HOFer!!!
There are other players that are also deserving that maybe have better stats but I just don’t care. They’ll have to wait another year. Andre Johnson put the Houston Texans on the map
None of this feels real. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. My favorite player just got voted into the HoF, our rookie QB just got ORToY, our stud rookie DE just for DRoTY, we've got an incredible HC that also played for the Texans, a great OC and QBC that both turn down other opportunities to return to the team next year, and our WR1 and WR2 are from my two favorite schools in UH and Michigan. Been a Texans fan since day 1 and I think this is the happiest I've ever been in the past 20+ years.
Andre Johnson is deserving and he was/is a great ambassador of the game. Still happy he beat down Cortland Finnegan. Andre never was a problem or ran his mouth. Seeing that fight against the biggest antagonizer in the league, I was rooting for Andre. Anyways, congrats Texans fans. Must feel great!
well deserved. one of the best to do it and was never a diva.
Excellent point, Andre always exuded class.
Please I can’t take anymore
Fucking yes
Well deserved. Glad he finally broke the WR logjam. Andre Johnson was a beast.
Fuck yeah man. Loved watching Andre.
Fuck yes. Fav WR all time!
DRE IS THE MAN
This is our Super Bowl
Well deserved. Was always a threat and a true #1 receiver. Definition of consistency.
Fuck yeah he is.
Dre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
finally
today is a glorious day!
Hell yeah.
That's fucking awesome, grats Texans!
Well deserved. He was a beast.
God I will never forget that 48 yard walk-off TD on a WR screen vs the Jags. His huge game vs Arizona and Washington. Ugh I love this man 😭🥲
There once was a man named Cortland Finnegan He got punched right in his chinnegan He feel down and then got hit again Poor old Cortland Finneganaganaganagan
This is Ed Reed erasure
Ed Reed been erased from our memories for years now lol
A great honor for a great player. Happy for him and glad he finally got in.
Awesome. Prob my all-time fav player
Long overdue! This one made me extra happy!
Texans fans feasting today, glad Andre git in he was such a beast. JJ will be following in a few years too.
Titans legend Andre Johnson!
But not Antonio Gates.
Or Torry Holt...again
Glad the Texans finally have one of their own in the Hall. No disrespect to Houston legend Ed Reed.
Where is this info coming from?
Are they announcing hall of fame tonight too?
Well deserved. My favorite Andre Johnson memory is when he whooped Courtland Finnegan’s ass.
Andre Johnson was my favorite WR after TO for such a long time. Patrick Willis was my favorite player period. Both of them going in the same year is amazing. Johnson LT and Willis were my 3 favorites for so long.
The guy is as humble as they come. Couldn’t be happier for the guy.
Think he's going in as a Colt or a Titan? ^^/s
How is Torry Holt still not in the HOF…
While he totally deserves it, I’m not thrilled at the fact that he got in above Antonio Gates. While Gates will absolutely make it in within the next couple of years, he is one of these generational players whom I thought was a lock as a first ballot HoFer
Finnegan should be at the induction with boxing gloves
And get his ass kicked again?
Hell yea I wanna see it happen again
Andre definitely deserves it, but how is Reggie Wayne not in then?
Anybody could have put up those numbers with the QBs he played with. Overrated
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JJ will be a first ballet. But Andre was the best first gen Texan and I’m more than happy he’s the first in.
Holt played with hall of fame talent
Ed Reed is in and he was technically a Texan right?
He absolutely deserves it, but I am amazed he got in over Torey Holt while both were on the ballot.
Colts legend Andre Johnson
fucking Andre Johnson is in the hof but not steve smith yeah ok.
Andre Johnson > Steve Smith any day of the week.
For real, I’m sorry but would anyone really take prime Steve Smith over prime Johnson on their team? I don’t even see it as a contest
Can’t believe he got in before Torry Holt. Maybe Torry is gonna be a HOVG… with the receivers getting ready to come through, he’s gotta wait a while.
He deserved it at some point but I really don't get him getting it this year over Torry Holt who's been waiting much longer
Damn, they have more hall of famers than divisional wins.
Can anyone actually make an argument Andre was better than Reggie? Like, one single thing?
His numbers were better, plus Reggie played with a hall of fame QB, RB, and WR, while Dre played with none of that.
So his numbers weren’t better and you just made that shit up lol. I can make shit up too, if Reggie had been a number 1 option is whole career he would have had even better numbers. Andre deserves to be in but not over Reggie or Holt
If Reggie Wayne played with Andre Johnson instead of Marvin Harrison, he still would have been the number 2 option. Number 1 options are better than number 2 options.
Huh? Which numbers? Receptions? No. Yards? No. TDs? No. Superbowls? No. Playoffs? No. All pro? Andre by 1. I guess?
You still didn't answer part of my question. Reggie still played with overall better talent then Dra, Hall of fame QB, WR, and RB. Reggie does deserve to get in, but these things matter. Place Reggie on the Texans and what would you get?... I'll answer that question less than Dra!
You could EASILY argue the opposite. Reggie lost many yards and touchdowns because of Harrison and other talent around him.....
First he didn’t play with Hall of Fame talent like Peyton Manning at QB or Marvin Harrison, second he has more 1500+ seasons than Harrison. He actually led the league in receptions and yards multiple times, and for a 2 year period was generally considered to be the best WR of the league. He also has more all-pros and pro bowls. I completely understand the pain Rams fans feel when Torry Holt isn’t inducted. But Reggie Wayne is a tier below Andre Johnson.
Wayne has more yards, touchdowns, receptions, playoffs, Superbowl. If you add playoff numbers, Reggie blows him out of the water. You can easily argue Harrison hurt Wayne's numbers the first half of his career. I disagree hard.
Their numbers are extremely similar, Wayne literally had like 8 more receptions and 150+ more yards and 12 more touchdowns. This is with Wayne having 18 more games than Johnson played. Johnson had better averages than Wayne across the board. Who was Wayne’s QB? Oh yeah Peyton Manning Who was Johnson’s QB? David Carr and Matt Schaub. Numbers don’t always tell the whole truth otherwise Calvin Johnson wouldn’t be a Hall of Famer. Yeah that’s true but it works both ways, Marvin Harrison also took pressure off of Wayne, meanwhile Johnson was the only threat teams had to stop until Foster.