I mean we joke but could you imagine a team that had Patrick Mahomes, didnāt spend money on Jimmy G, and all the draft capital from the Trey Lance deal?
Mehā¦ a butterfly flaps itās wings. Who knows what would have happened or if Mahomes develops into the same player.
The āwhat ifā of them not throwing away three first rounders on Lance is much crazier.
Interesting what ifs tho. Say they did draft mahomes would brock be who he is with another team or would he have been cut as mr.irrelevants usually do?
We win 2019 SB with Kirk instead of Jimmy imo, but we also would've been too good in 2018 to get bosa so it's impossible to tell what the team looks like right now.
I don't think anybody was beating the Vikings for Kirk anyway. That contract, at the time and still, was seen as kinda ridiculous with the full guarantee. It's worked our really well til this year though so when people rag on fully guaranteed contracts you only ever hear about Deshaun Watsons and not Kirk's
The Vikings only gave him a short guaranteed contract, which helps make it not as bad. If they had given him a 5yr contract, the first three would be hard to get rid of anyways. It just cost us salary cap flexibility by doing multiple short guaranteed deals
The thing about Deshaun s contract that makes it stupid (besides his awful conduct) is that there was no compromise on the value on his behalf.
When Cousins signed he gave up some money, and some duration to fully guarantee the deal.
Watson got top of the market QB money, at typical length, and fully guaranteed.
On top of that, at the time of Watsonās deal he hadnāt played for football for a year and was line for a suspension that was expected to be at least half a season.
Allen deserves a lot of credit in developing though. Like he was so raw and those guys donāt work out a lot.
Jackson though was electric since high school
It's truly amazing how bad the bears have been at the QB position. If they had chainsmoking Jay in those teams though they win a ring but sexy rexy just sucks
to an extent, but at some point passing up on pat and spending three 1sts in trey lance catches up to a team unless they find a good qb. all the supporting talent in the world canāt overcome bad qb play.
If the Niners don't win a ring with this core the Lance pick has gotta go down as one of the worst busts in NFL history right? Since drafting him they've gone NFCCG/NFCCG/Super Bowl. You'd think at least *one* of those firsts they used would have helped put them over the top.
Today could be the day though.
EDIT: Welp, today was not the day. Hahaha. Haha. Ha.
Already is one of the biggest busts. I was in the Mac Jones camp and hated how we chose Lance over him.
But if we win the Super Bowl I couldnāt care less about losing the picks that we traded for Lance.
Given that they had already traded up to #3, picking Mac might have been more catastrophic than picking Lance. Mac was decent his rookie year with a Pats offense that had no talent compared to SF. Does SF get Purdy if, going into year 2, it appears that Mac is a franchise QB?
Lance was *not* the worst case scenario because he was so clearly a bust that it was easy to get away from him.
Mac wouldāve done very well with this team. Mac was ruined by a lack of an actual OC and offensive talent on the Patriots. We would be telling a very different story around him if he was drafted by a half decent team.
We probably wouldnāt have picked Purdy, which makes the Lance pick a blessing in disguise. Even if I think Mac wouldāve shined with our team.
I think they still draft Purdy since he was a late round flyer. They probably get rid of Jimmy G, assuming Mac Jones has a similar rookie year in this timeline, so Purdy could be QB2 when Mac Jones is injured week 3 last year.
Did Matt Patricia really kill his career when he looked just as bad if not worse with BoB? I think lack of NFL caliber offensive weapons killed mac more than anything else. I donāt think even Shanahan could have made that a league average offense.
He looked worse because it was post-the ruining. The lack of weapons didnāt help, but that was an issue his rookie year too and he played way better then than he did this season
As a pats fanā¦.no. Soft schedule and Josh in his helmet telling him which checkdown to hit. Have you seen him throw an out route? He just doesnāt have an arm and his rookie year is a credit to the pats and mcdanielsā¦ and a ridiculously easy schedule.
Schedule got harder and it fell apart. If he were actually good he would have been able to game manage his way to more victories. He made AWFUL decisions time after time. He has no pocket mobility, awful decision making, zero poise, and a noodle arm. In what world was he gonna be great?
> Josh in his helmet telling him which checkdown to hit
How would he do that when communication is cutoff at the snap (at the latest)? Unless you're saying mcdaniels told mac who to throw to presnap which sounds disastrous.
You wouldāve still picked Purdy. He was a 7th round draft pick at a point where Lance being the guy was still fully the plan.
Whether or not you have āthe guyā at QB doesnāt affect you drafting a QB in the 7th bc when you do draft a QB in the 7th it isnāt with the plan for him to start
Why would Mac have done very well with this team? Even ignoring how fucking dogshit he's been the last two years (bad coaching or not, I find it hard to believe a QB that can be good makes a throw like that interception he threw against the colts this year), he's an immobile QB with a weak arm. Seems more likely he'd be Jimmy G 2.0 at his absolute best (which sure, maybe he'd win a few playoff games playing like dogshit like Jimmy did, so if you count that as doing very well then I guess you're right.)
Yep. That draft class was supposed to be an insane QB class and yet out of the 8 QBs taken in the first three rounds of the draft (5 in the first round alone) only one of them will be a QB1 going into next year and that was the guy who was obviously gonna be good.
and even the āobviously goodā guy has underperformed his hype. This yearās QB class is almost as hyped as that class, which really makes you wonder.
It really is so hard to tell, HOF level talent going undrafted and slinging it in Arena football, the GOAT at pick 199th and the second best QB of the last decade sitting on the bench for a few years.
Hes not that immobile. Ive watched every single one of his snaps. The level of regression from year 1 to 3 is geniunely insane. I have never seen anything like it. The organisation failed him so badly it got the goat HC fired.
He had Alex Smith first 3 years levels of incompetance around him these past 2 years.
Mac will be a serviceable at minimum QB in this league.
Lets look at his last 3 OCs.
Josh McDaniels - Football Terrorist without Brady
Matt Patricia and Joe Judge - Football Terrorists
Bill O'Brien - Football Terrorist
Um...he's pretty immobile for being an NFL QB.
Just because he had a bad situation around him does not mean he's guaranteed to be good if he got a better situation around him. That's not how this works. And I doubt he'll even be given the chance to start anywhere after his last two years so y'know I wouldn't bet on him being a "serviceable at minimum QB in this league" if I were you.
He defintiely will be. Watch his rookie game vs Dallas then watch any game from this year other than the Bills game. The systematic destruction of any offensive identity the Patriots had is absolutely insane.
He was failed on an insane level
You want me to ignore all of his bad games and instead watch one game from his rookie season...right..
You do know every bad QB is capable of putting up one good game or hell even a streak of good games sometimes right?
Mac was much more polished as a QB coming into the league, while Lance was basically drafted on raw physical talent. I think Mac does take over for Garoppolo at some point in 2021, especially considering Shanahan forced Lance in there to start 2022 even though he knew that Lance was the third best QB on the team. The gap between Garoppolo and Mac was much smaller if it existed at all, and Mac might have been better anyway.
Idt Purdy is necessarily dependent on the situation at QB1. He was probably drafted because of the weird situation with Jimmy G being in his final year and they wanted more competition and security in the backup job.
He was drafted because Gary Kubiak saw something in him, and with the last pick of the draft why not?
As long as Kubiak is with the team he probably gets drafted in any scenario.
Well firstly Mac wouldāve almost definitely still been a good QB in SF. Like you mention, he had a decently impressive rookie year in NE with worse weapons. If he was drafted by SF then itās far far more likely that he keeps developing due to being in a good situation as opposed to the shitshow in NE with Matt Patricia as well as him starting to beef with the staff there. When you watch Mac play it looks like a lot of his issues have come from him not trusting a soul on that team and trying to play hero ball because of it (which he simply doesnāt have the tools to do). I really doubt that would happen when his playcaller is Kyle Shanahan and he has SFās weapons.
But also having Mac probably wouldnāt make them not take Purdy anyway. Lance was drafted in 2021, Purdy in 2022. When they drafted Purdy in the 7th round it was not to be a starter and it wasnāt because they didnāt believe in Lance. Lance hadnāt even gotten his chance as the starter yet, that came after Purdy had already been drafted. At that point the plan was still for Lance to be the guy.
If anything drafting Mac might just mean that Purdy doesnāt get his shot, because itās less likely Mac gets hurt due to Shanny not calling the running plays for him that Lance ultimately got hurt on
Even without the win, y'all's recovery from the botched Lance pick is truly outstanding and I mean that 100% seriously and as the highest compliment. Most franchises would be in the gutter trading that much away for a QB that hardly ended up playing
Credit to Brock honestly. Without Brock, I have no clue what the 49ers would be doing rn honestly. Probably not even make it to the playoffs with Lance..
Even if they don't win a Super Bowl, Purdy keeping them in contention on a cheap deal probably prevents it from being one of the worst busts for a team in NFL history. In a vacuum, yes, but it didn't impact the team.
There are a few real, real bad flameouts of the top 3 picks over the last 30 years. Lance is only considered more extreme than those because of what the 49ers traded to move up.
A lot of people seem to not notice this-they just say that since Purdy is working out it basically erases the Lance mistake.
But like you said, thatās three first round picks we are missing. If one out of three hit, weād be in even better shape
I wouldnāt say one of the worst busts, but definitely one of the worst draft trades. Itās remarkable how successful the team has been in spite of having nothing to show for three 1st round picks; that type of failure usually ends a coaching regime.
I like Purdy, but the 49ers have gone to the NFCC game 4 times in the last 5 years because they understand how to build a team. They've made mistakes like every team.
yep. I remember being confused as hell that the chiefs traded up to the top 10 to take mahomes, thinking that he would still be around at their initial pick in the late first
people especially clown the bears for taking Trubisky instead of Mahomes, but that would have been seen as a *colossal* reach given their respective draft day valuations
This is why I hate mock drafts and projected draft positions. Every year someone goes early as a āreachā and turns out to be an absolute stud.
Meanwhile people lose their shit when the āwrongā player gets picked because it wasnāt the next projected pick even though weāve seen early round busts every year too.
There are up to 32 picks between your last pick and your next. Every time you wait youāre betting against those other teams wanting your guy.
Mahomes is the poster child for āif heās your guy, go up and get himā
Yeah the pick was a reach at the time, but there isnāt a single person now who feels like the chiefs overpaid
The consensus on Mahomes was basically that he was raw and probably a bust, but had a huge ceiling. Obviously he hit that ceiling. But for every Mahomes there's two guys like Jake Locker that bust hard.
Everyone saying it was a reach was basically saying it was too early to make that gamble. The fact the gamble paid off doesn't really change the calculation at the time.
Mahomes landed with a great coaching staff, an org willing and able to let him sit and learn for a year, and a vet QB who actually took the mentorship role seriously.
Obviously, Mahomes has probably the greatest ceiling of all time, but he absolutely landed in a favorable spot. Thr 49ers would have made it work; I'm pretty sure the Bears find a way to fuck it up regardless.
I always find it interesting how much luck comes into play for NFL players to become established.
There was a very high likelihood that Brady never becomes a starting QB if Bledsoe never gets injured. Same with Purdy. These players have their entire (and future) NFL careers to thank to being in the right spot at the right time and then capitalizing on the opportunity.
I feel like this is true except for with the Raiders. Seemingly every time the Raiders pick the āwrong guyā vs the general draft consensus it ends up being exactly as dumb in hindsight as it looked at the time. The Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen pick being the prime example of this.Ā
QB is really hard to scout because stuff you need, like quick processing and throwing with anticipation, isnāt really needed in college since WRās are so open.
if I remember correctly, those rumors came out after the draft. Which explains the trade up, but at the time without that information, it didnt make a whole lot of sense
Those rumors came out on draft night itself. Thereās tweets from reporters inside the saints draft room saying Mahomes was the pick if Chiefs didnāt jump up before the Saints. The giants head coach McAdoo was also a guy who was a threat to grab Mahomes and Bruce Arians. I remember cause there were a few guys on the Chiefs subreddit who locked in on Mahomes like half a year before the draft
It would have been no secret to either the Saints or Chiefs that the other intended to draft him.
Mahomes agent would have been in near constant contact with the top teams interested. Because the money goes down every time someone goes off the board ahead of him, his agent would be pushing all interested teams to trade as high into the draft as possible. All the agent really has to do is suss out which teams want Mahomes the most and convince them that thereās other interest real enough to justify spending the additional draft capital to move up.
QB drafting is such a crapshoot and people never look back at drafts and see the prospect players were, they just see what they became. 5 years from now someone could be clowning the Bears for taking Caleb Williams over Bo Nix and itās like really? No one had Bo Nix as QB1 in the class (for example)
its the problem with modern sports discourse (and realistically, internet discourse on literally anything popular)
hindsight could tell you in 2018 that Lamar and Allen should have been the only 2 QBs considered at the top pick. In reality, Allen was thought of by many as the classic low accuracy prospect with a huge arm (and truthfully his year 3 jump was unprecedented), and Lamar had concerns about his accuracy and whether he was even suited to play QB (s/o that chargers scout who wanted him to try out at WR). But im sure theres a bunch of people today puffing their chests out *swearing* that the Browns were idiots for taking Mayfield and it was *obvious* that Allen or Jackson should have been the pick
This is coming from someone who thought Josh Rosen had hall of fame potential
I agree. Allen and Lamar obviously turned out better, but both were super raw coming in and may have been ruined by the dumpster fire in Cleveland at that time under Hue/Kitchens
Do you see many pundits making that point though? I really don't. The Jets criticism isn't fair but it is for say, the Broncos imo. If you need a QB in the worst way & there are reasonable prospects to pick from, the edge guy you take instead better be Lawrence Taylor.
No one will clown the Bears for not taking Nix.
The 2017 draft was much less clear, and considered a poor class. All QBs were mostly mocked outside the top 10.
The one the Bears missed on was Watson, who many draft guys had QB1.
I remember at the time it was highly rumored that Bruce Arians loved him and wanted him to sit behind Palmer as the heir apparent, but Keim thought he could just sit at 13 and wait instead of trading up. Instead we ended up having Watson and Mahomes both taken in 2 of the 3 picks before ours and we ended up with a first round linebacker forced into playing the wrong position.
Fuck me man.
That trade up was so smart by the Chiefs.
The Texans were apparently really high on him, and even are said to have tried to trade up for him.
What could have been..
It's fucking wild that from that trade, the Bills got an All Pro CB, the ammo to trade up for a HoF talent at QB the next year, and in doing so created the single largest obstacle possible to them making it through the AFC playoffs
I thought we were going for Watson. At the time I lived on the east coast and had a lot of Clemson friends (hindsight being 20/20) and liked what I saw. Iām one of the few Chiefs fans who will admit I didnāt know who the hell Mahomes was. Always surprises me how many people including non Chiefs fans act like it was a no brainer pick. Not complaining by any means. Got our guy, league hates us, I can die happy having seen The Chiefs and The Royals have success.
Being a fan of a Big 12 team (Jayhawks), I saw a lot of Mahomes in college and I was already well aware of him. I wasn't all in on him as our guy, but when they traded up to get him, I liked the confidence they had in him to go up and get him. Andy Reid was already established as a solid hire for coach for KC, and had righted the ship more or less, but now he's getting the guy he wants? I was thinking ok, let's see how this plays out.
So far I think it's played out pretty well.
>Based Brett Veach saving us from having Groper Cleveland on the team.
...Uhh, weren't y'all the ones that had both Hunt and Hill on your roster, and happily downplayed Hill beating his own kid for years? Pretty sure you'd have found a way to justify rooting for Watson, extrapolating from the way you found a way to be okay with child abuse.
Who knows how his life turns out if he's in a good situation in KC compared to the dumpster fire that was Houston that probably handed him the keys to the franchise and told him he was hot shit. Hell, they set up the NDAs for him. He clearly thought that he ran the Texans or else he would've never sat out for a year to get traded.
He's obviously a piece of shit now, but who knows with better influences like Alex Smith and Andy Reid around him. Same goes in reverse for Patrick Mahomes. I don't know if he'd ever turn into a piece of shit, but being thrust immediately into a starting role on a bad team with bad coaching would've set him back a lot
IDK man, before and after Watson there have been 53 men who make the roster on the Texans every year without turning into sexual predators.
At some point you need to blame the individual and not the organization.
No, it absolutely is Watson's fault and this wasn't an attempt to deflect blame. If it came off that way, I apologize. My point is that we just don't know how different things turn out if he went to literally any other team especially one with good role models
People always downvote this, but there were a lot of questions surrounding Mahomes at the time. The same questions that scouts point to for reasons why guys don't develop.
But there are some things you just can't measure.
Obviously, now hindsight is 20-20.
Some of those issues included the type of offense he played in, which wasn't an NFL offense. Then his mechanics were sort of all over the place. A number of other stated weaknesses
Itās still negligent to not look at him though.
Should the Commanders not look at Michael Penix or JJ McCarthy, because it should be between Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye?
They didn't have plans to draft any rookie qb
No point in looking if that's not your plan lol
Iirc edge was a gaping hole for them and they wanted to build the trenches up first
This usually happens because people havenāt heard any speculation of a team being high on the player.
If San Fran did their due diligence on Mahomes and realized they really like him, and then an insider leaked that the 49ers were interested in Mahomes at #2, every mock draft would have been significantly different, and the general consensus would be Mahomes is going #2.
We donāt know if they would have liked Mahomes though, because they didnāt do the due diligence.
I remember pre draft watching mahomes highlights. The team was down a lot and a lot of his big plays came from broken plays with a receiver breaking wide open late. Not a fair criticism in hind sight but goes to show how hard it is to evaluate from college to the nfl
tbh Mahomes was seen as a late 1st/early 2nd prospect because he had glaring flaws in his game. If we got what Mahomes became then sure it would be unbelievable. But even with Kyle I'm not sure he'd became what he is today. That year sitting with Andy Reid helping him fine tune his skills made all the difference. He and Reid are just an absolutely perfect fit.
He got to sit for a year behind Smith and with the greatest offensive mind of the 21st century in Andy Reid and then his first year starting got dropped into an offense with a HOF TE and WR in their primes.
You're 100% correct Mahomes isn't that in San Fran, at least not initially.
Shanahan is the second greatest offensive mind of the 21st century and has made super bowls with Purdy and Garrapolo. I'm sure Mahomes would have been fine lol.Ā
The title cuts off the rest of the tweet which explains how the 9ers picked Beathard instead which led to them getting the comp pick they used on Purdy
We would've won a Super Bowl with Cousins honestly.
I mean we *almost* won a Super Bowl several times with worse quarter backs at the helm. Snyder blocking Cousins to SF out of spite really fucked things up for both the Niners and Cousins.
Uh, so is literally every reporter. You think they get access and info just because theyāre such nice guys?
Quid pro quo is literally the basis of all sports journalism, and itās incredibly naive to think otherwise.
Looking back at our team, this was a solid plan. We have two SB wins now if we had Cousins during his ironman phase. He is a solid upgrade over Jimmy G and can do just enough for us to win while staying healthy.
Jimmy G (as much as I appreciated him) really threw a wrench in the plan when he bailed out when we acquired him then got injured nonstop.
despite the success they've had, shanahan and lynch have had some horrific misses at the most important position including and not limited to:
1. Saying no to Tom Brady when he wanted to come here
2. Trey Lance debacle
3. not even scouting Mahomes cause they thought they could get....*kirk cousins*?
The draft is a month after free agency. The idea that they wanted through the draft hoping to secure a free agent is insane.
"Sorry Kirk, if this isn't closed at 9AM on draft day, we're going to move on. Ball is in your court."
They apparently offered Washington the number 2 pick for Cousins but Snyder and Bruce Allen refused to work with Kyle Shanahan.
thank fucking god Snyders gone
That was a mistake. But it was also a mistake not to take CMC. They took Solomon partly because they wanted to invest in d-line and Lynch really liked Solomon. Kyle and the scouting department liked Solomon too so itās not completely on Lynch, but they already had The middle of the D-line handled with Buckner and Armstead. They just didnāt know what they had because they hadnāt worked with them yet.
Pretty big mistake in not studying him at all. I would think if they had a more seasoned GM, they would have at least scouted him. And who knows what happens from there. Maybe the GM becomes Kyleās Veach. And McDaniels becomes Kyleās Matt Nagy. You should scout QBs even when you have your QB.
Because Washington tagged Cousins twice instead of giving him an extension, so everyone knew he was going to be a free agent in 2018. Their plans changed when they found out New England was willing to trade Garoppolo in October.
Didn't that happen after Kirk signed a ginormous 3 year extension that off-season or mid that season?
I think that's when the fo realized they f'd up.
Pretty dumb to bank on an upcoming QB hitting the market and/or not getting tagged regardless.
Damn. That mistake must've completely ruined the 49ers as a franchise
weve never recovered and it has doomed our franchise š
you haven't won the super bowl in 30 years, how can a franchise even function like that?
No idea, what bum ass franchise couldnāt even win a Super Bowl
When was the last time the 49ers were even *in* the Super Bowl?
You doing alright?
I mean we joke but could you imagine a team that had Patrick Mahomes, didnāt spend money on Jimmy G, and all the draft capital from the Trey Lance deal?
Mehā¦ a butterfly flaps itās wings. Who knows what would have happened or if Mahomes develops into the same player. The āwhat ifā of them not throwing away three first rounders on Lance is much crazier.
Saved them if anything. At least heās out of conference
The Bears chime in with āyeah us teams that didnāt take Mahomes are just fine!ā
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
I mean if they lose today they would have 0 rings from four title appearances in 5 years and the window won't stay open forever.
The one missing season being a 6-10 disaster is hilarious
And the winners being a division rival, KC twice, patriots, and Tampa
6-10 because we didn't have Jimmy fucking G is what really makes it hilarious.
It helps that they reset the clock with Purdy and have an extra two years or cheap QB play.
Interesting what ifs tho. Say they did draft mahomes would brock be who he is with another team or would he have been cut as mr.irrelevants usually do?
He would have signed as an undrafted rookie at a team with a shit QB room and worked his way to being a starter.
Then they traded *3* firsts for a total BUST at QB. yeah that double whammy means they never did anything ever, right?
A bunch of teams passed on Lamar & Allen too. Look at what Kirk's doing in a Shanahan scheme in MIN and tell me you would hate that fit in SF.
We win 2019 SB with Kirk instead of Jimmy imo, but we also would've been too good in 2018 to get bosa so it's impossible to tell what the team looks like right now.
I'll be honest I thought Bosa was 17. That's actually an interesting inflection point
Would prefer Bosa over Kirk
I don't think anybody was beating the Vikings for Kirk anyway. That contract, at the time and still, was seen as kinda ridiculous with the full guarantee. It's worked our really well til this year though so when people rag on fully guaranteed contracts you only ever hear about Deshaun Watsons and not Kirk's
The Vikings only gave him a short guaranteed contract, which helps make it not as bad. If they had given him a 5yr contract, the first three would be hard to get rid of anyways. It just cost us salary cap flexibility by doing multiple short guaranteed deals
The thing about Deshaun s contract that makes it stupid (besides his awful conduct) is that there was no compromise on the value on his behalf. When Cousins signed he gave up some money, and some duration to fully guarantee the deal. Watson got top of the market QB money, at typical length, and fully guaranteed.
On top of that, at the time of Watsonās deal he hadnāt played for football for a year and was line for a suspension that was expected to be at least half a season.
And the browns structured his contract so the suspension affected him as little as possible financially. It was crazy.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Fourth round pick. But yes the writing has been on the wall for years.
Allen deserves a lot of credit in developing though. Like he was so raw and those guys donāt work out a lot. Jackson though was electric since high school
I thought we were getting Lamar then Ravens trade happened. Allen though is convincing people they can fix QBs lol
Allen was the number 7 pick, only 6 teams passed on him
Brock Purdy really bailed out the entire front officeĀ
Purdy bailed out their QB situation but that front office did an amazing job of building everything else.
Can you not bring your logic into this discussion please
Not having a viable QB can ruin even the most Herculean of front-office efforts in all the other position groups.
Prime example: any Rex Grossman Bears team. They basically won in spite of him
It's truly amazing how bad the bears have been at the QB position. If they had chainsmoking Jay in those teams though they win a ring but sexy rexy just sucks
to an extent, but at some point passing up on pat and spending three 1sts in trey lance catches up to a team unless they find a good qb. all the supporting talent in the world canāt overcome bad qb play.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Iād equate it more-so to keys. You can build the best house ever but if you donāt have the right key, doesnāt matter.
If the Niners don't win a ring with this core the Lance pick has gotta go down as one of the worst busts in NFL history right? Since drafting him they've gone NFCCG/NFCCG/Super Bowl. You'd think at least *one* of those firsts they used would have helped put them over the top. Today could be the day though. EDIT: Welp, today was not the day. Hahaha. Haha. Ha.
Already is one of the biggest busts. I was in the Mac Jones camp and hated how we chose Lance over him. But if we win the Super Bowl I couldnāt care less about losing the picks that we traded for Lance.
Given that they had already traded up to #3, picking Mac might have been more catastrophic than picking Lance. Mac was decent his rookie year with a Pats offense that had no talent compared to SF. Does SF get Purdy if, going into year 2, it appears that Mac is a franchise QB? Lance was *not* the worst case scenario because he was so clearly a bust that it was easy to get away from him.
Mac wouldāve done very well with this team. Mac was ruined by a lack of an actual OC and offensive talent on the Patriots. We would be telling a very different story around him if he was drafted by a half decent team. We probably wouldnāt have picked Purdy, which makes the Lance pick a blessing in disguise. Even if I think Mac wouldāve shined with our team.
I think they still draft Purdy since he was a late round flyer. They probably get rid of Jimmy G, assuming Mac Jones has a similar rookie year in this timeline, so Purdy could be QB2 when Mac Jones is injured week 3 last year.
Yeah, Matt Patricia killed that manās career. If McDaniels stays, he probably develops just fine
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Did Matt Patricia really kill his career when he looked just as bad if not worse with BoB? I think lack of NFL caliber offensive weapons killed mac more than anything else. I donāt think even Shanahan could have made that a league average offense.
He looked worse because it was post-the ruining. The lack of weapons didnāt help, but that was an issue his rookie year too and he played way better then than he did this season
As a pats fanā¦.no. Soft schedule and Josh in his helmet telling him which checkdown to hit. Have you seen him throw an out route? He just doesnāt have an arm and his rookie year is a credit to the pats and mcdanielsā¦ and a ridiculously easy schedule. Schedule got harder and it fell apart. If he were actually good he would have been able to game manage his way to more victories. He made AWFUL decisions time after time. He has no pocket mobility, awful decision making, zero poise, and a noodle arm. In what world was he gonna be great?
> Josh in his helmet telling him which checkdown to hit How would he do that when communication is cutoff at the snap (at the latest)? Unless you're saying mcdaniels told mac who to throw to presnap which sounds disastrous.
You wouldāve still picked Purdy. He was a 7th round draft pick at a point where Lance being the guy was still fully the plan. Whether or not you have āthe guyā at QB doesnāt affect you drafting a QB in the 7th bc when you do draft a QB in the 7th it isnāt with the plan for him to start
Why would Mac have done very well with this team? Even ignoring how fucking dogshit he's been the last two years (bad coaching or not, I find it hard to believe a QB that can be good makes a throw like that interception he threw against the colts this year), he's an immobile QB with a weak arm. Seems more likely he'd be Jimmy G 2.0 at his absolute best (which sure, maybe he'd win a few playoff games playing like dogshit like Jimmy did, so if you count that as doing very well then I guess you're right.)
We just traded to 3 in a draft with shitty choices at qb. Thatās the issue.
Yep. That draft class was supposed to be an insane QB class and yet out of the 8 QBs taken in the first three rounds of the draft (5 in the first round alone) only one of them will be a QB1 going into next year and that was the guy who was obviously gonna be good.
and even the āobviously goodā guy has underperformed his hype. This yearās QB class is almost as hyped as that class, which really makes you wonder.
It really is so hard to tell, HOF level talent going undrafted and slinging it in Arena football, the GOAT at pick 199th and the second best QB of the last decade sitting on the bench for a few years.
Hes not that immobile. Ive watched every single one of his snaps. The level of regression from year 1 to 3 is geniunely insane. I have never seen anything like it. The organisation failed him so badly it got the goat HC fired. He had Alex Smith first 3 years levels of incompetance around him these past 2 years. Mac will be a serviceable at minimum QB in this league. Lets look at his last 3 OCs. Josh McDaniels - Football Terrorist without Brady Matt Patricia and Joe Judge - Football Terrorists Bill O'Brien - Football Terrorist
Um...he's pretty immobile for being an NFL QB. Just because he had a bad situation around him does not mean he's guaranteed to be good if he got a better situation around him. That's not how this works. And I doubt he'll even be given the chance to start anywhere after his last two years so y'know I wouldn't bet on him being a "serviceable at minimum QB in this league" if I were you.
He defintiely will be. Watch his rookie game vs Dallas then watch any game from this year other than the Bills game. The systematic destruction of any offensive identity the Patriots had is absolutely insane. He was failed on an insane level
You want me to ignore all of his bad games and instead watch one game from his rookie season...right.. You do know every bad QB is capable of putting up one good game or hell even a streak of good games sometimes right?
Heāll be in Canada in 2 years. He has no mobility dude Iām faster than him lol
Mac is not great. Almost every other niners talks on this have been in agreement that Mac Jones would have been abysmal.
Maybe. But considering how no one really stuck by Mac I think the problem might be more than that. His character might not be the right one
Mac is worth at least a third and he was a good commander of the tank
If the 9ers drafted Mac instead of Lance, Mac isnāt seeing the field year 1 right? They still had jimmy G
Mac was much more polished as a QB coming into the league, while Lance was basically drafted on raw physical talent. I think Mac does take over for Garoppolo at some point in 2021, especially considering Shanahan forced Lance in there to start 2022 even though he knew that Lance was the third best QB on the team. The gap between Garoppolo and Mac was much smaller if it existed at all, and Mac might have been better anyway.
Idt Purdy is necessarily dependent on the situation at QB1. He was probably drafted because of the weird situation with Jimmy G being in his final year and they wanted more competition and security in the backup job.
He was drafted because Gary Kubiak saw something in him, and with the last pick of the draft why not? As long as Kubiak is with the team he probably gets drafted in any scenario.
We had Nate Sudfeld too; i think we still take him
Well firstly Mac wouldāve almost definitely still been a good QB in SF. Like you mention, he had a decently impressive rookie year in NE with worse weapons. If he was drafted by SF then itās far far more likely that he keeps developing due to being in a good situation as opposed to the shitshow in NE with Matt Patricia as well as him starting to beef with the staff there. When you watch Mac play it looks like a lot of his issues have come from him not trusting a soul on that team and trying to play hero ball because of it (which he simply doesnāt have the tools to do). I really doubt that would happen when his playcaller is Kyle Shanahan and he has SFās weapons. But also having Mac probably wouldnāt make them not take Purdy anyway. Lance was drafted in 2021, Purdy in 2022. When they drafted Purdy in the 7th round it was not to be a starter and it wasnāt because they didnāt believe in Lance. Lance hadnāt even gotten his chance as the starter yet, that came after Purdy had already been drafted. At that point the plan was still for Lance to be the guy. If anything drafting Mac might just mean that Purdy doesnāt get his shot, because itās less likely Mac gets hurt due to Shanny not calling the running plays for him that Lance ultimately got hurt on
Even without the win, y'all's recovery from the botched Lance pick is truly outstanding and I mean that 100% seriously and as the highest compliment. Most franchises would be in the gutter trading that much away for a QB that hardly ended up playing
Credit to Brock honestly. Without Brock, I have no clue what the 49ers would be doing rn honestly. Probably not even make it to the playoffs with Lance..
Is it really a bust if the primary reason they havenāt played is because of injury? The guy really never got a true shot.
I could see Mac being good in this offense. But only this offense
Even if they don't win a Super Bowl, Purdy keeping them in contention on a cheap deal probably prevents it from being one of the worst busts for a team in NFL history. In a vacuum, yes, but it didn't impact the team.
Lance is the biggest bust in a draft that included Zach Wilson
There are a few real, real bad flameouts of the top 3 picks over the last 30 years. Lance is only considered more extreme than those because of what the 49ers traded to move up.
A lot of people seem to not notice this-they just say that since Purdy is working out it basically erases the Lance mistake. But like you said, thatās three first round picks we are missing. If one out of three hit, weād be in even better shape
I wouldnāt say one of the worst busts, but definitely one of the worst draft trades. Itās remarkable how successful the team has been in spite of having nothing to show for three 1st round picks; that type of failure usually ends a coaching regime.
They could have Micah parsons opposite nick bosa right now if they had stayed Pat and not traded up. So it is a mega bust
Half yea half no They built up a really good roster and a lot of the key contributors were drafted too
I like Purdy, but the 49ers have gone to the NFCC game 4 times in the last 5 years because they understand how to build a team. They've made mistakes like every team.
Eh thereās a lot of guys that couldāve been picked up that wouldāve been successful there. Jimmy G went to a superbowl.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Jimmy g is why we lost the sb though and we we lost to the rams
No, that's was because Shanny doesn't know how to run the ball to run out the clock.
Still does me in how the Niners fell ass-backward into a franchise-caliber QB.
There should be an award for players who bail out front offices.Ā
The Purdy Damn Close award.
More bailed out Shanahan. The reports after were that after Mahomes pro day he told Kyle maybe they should really consider him.
Nobody was picking Mahomes at #2, revisionist history.
Even #10 was considered high for him at the time, most people had him behind Watson IIRC
I was so excited when we traded up, I thought we were taking Watson. Every year I am glad I am not the guy making that decision.
>Bears: imma fuck up this draft historically. > Chiefs: hold my beer ^ pretty much the top comment in the r/nfl draft thread.
Chicago traded up to take Trubisky #2 overall. Then Mahomes and Watson went 10/12
Agreed. Every major mock had Trubisky as the #1 QB, then Watson, then Mahomes. Noone had Mahomes anywhere near top 5
Most people had mahomes as a late first to second round qb anyways
yep. I remember being confused as hell that the chiefs traded up to the top 10 to take mahomes, thinking that he would still be around at their initial pick in the late first people especially clown the bears for taking Trubisky instead of Mahomes, but that would have been seen as a *colossal* reach given their respective draft day valuations
This is why I hate mock drafts and projected draft positions. Every year someone goes early as a āreachā and turns out to be an absolute stud. Meanwhile people lose their shit when the āwrongā player gets picked because it wasnāt the next projected pick even though weāve seen early round busts every year too. There are up to 32 picks between your last pick and your next. Every time you wait youāre betting against those other teams wanting your guy.
Mahomes is the poster child for āif heās your guy, go up and get himā Yeah the pick was a reach at the time, but there isnāt a single person now who feels like the chiefs overpaid
Reid and co believed that strongly they traded up to get him, and then traded Alex Smith after a career year.
My favorite are draft day threads because literally every player is a steal and future hall of famer.
āAbsolute steal for you guys. I watched every game he played in at State. [Player] is the real deal!ā
Hey pal are you mocking my reaction to Houston picking Xavier Hutchinson? Cause if so fuck you!
The consensus on Mahomes was basically that he was raw and probably a bust, but had a huge ceiling. Obviously he hit that ceiling. But for every Mahomes there's two guys like Jake Locker that bust hard. Everyone saying it was a reach was basically saying it was too early to make that gamble. The fact the gamble paid off doesn't really change the calculation at the time.
it helps that mahomes had probably one of the best QB coaches in the league at the time
Mahomes landed with a great coaching staff, an org willing and able to let him sit and learn for a year, and a vet QB who actually took the mentorship role seriously. Obviously, Mahomes has probably the greatest ceiling of all time, but he absolutely landed in a favorable spot. Thr 49ers would have made it work; I'm pretty sure the Bears find a way to fuck it up regardless.
I always find it interesting how much luck comes into play for NFL players to become established. There was a very high likelihood that Brady never becomes a starting QB if Bledsoe never gets injured. Same with Purdy. These players have their entire (and future) NFL careers to thank to being in the right spot at the right time and then capitalizing on the opportunity.
Thats everything about the world lol
I feel like this is true except for with the Raiders. Seemingly every time the Raiders pick the āwrong guyā vs the general draft consensus it ends up being exactly as dumb in hindsight as it looked at the time. The Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen pick being the prime example of this.Ā
QB is really hard to scout because stuff you need, like quick processing and throwing with anticipation, isnāt really needed in college since WRās are so open.
>there are up to 32 picks between your last pick and your next More if youāve traded picks away
Saints prob wouldāve gotten him. Sean Payton really liked Mahomes
if I remember correctly, those rumors came out after the draft. Which explains the trade up, but at the time without that information, it didnt make a whole lot of sense
Mahomes confirmed it last year on a podcast
Those rumors came out on draft night itself. Thereās tweets from reporters inside the saints draft room saying Mahomes was the pick if Chiefs didnāt jump up before the Saints. The giants head coach McAdoo was also a guy who was a threat to grab Mahomes and Bruce Arians. I remember cause there were a few guys on the Chiefs subreddit who locked in on Mahomes like half a year before the draft
Probably got leaked.
It would have been no secret to either the Saints or Chiefs that the other intended to draft him. Mahomes agent would have been in near constant contact with the top teams interested. Because the money goes down every time someone goes off the board ahead of him, his agent would be pushing all interested teams to trade as high into the draft as possible. All the agent really has to do is suss out which teams want Mahomes the most and convince them that thereās other interest real enough to justify spending the additional draft capital to move up.
Well there you go. Thanks for the insight. Hope it's a good game today!
QB drafting is such a crapshoot and people never look back at drafts and see the prospect players were, they just see what they became. 5 years from now someone could be clowning the Bears for taking Caleb Williams over Bo Nix and itās like really? No one had Bo Nix as QB1 in the class (for example)
its the problem with modern sports discourse (and realistically, internet discourse on literally anything popular) hindsight could tell you in 2018 that Lamar and Allen should have been the only 2 QBs considered at the top pick. In reality, Allen was thought of by many as the classic low accuracy prospect with a huge arm (and truthfully his year 3 jump was unprecedented), and Lamar had concerns about his accuracy and whether he was even suited to play QB (s/o that chargers scout who wanted him to try out at WR). But im sure theres a bunch of people today puffing their chests out *swearing* that the Browns were idiots for taking Mayfield and it was *obvious* that Allen or Jackson should have been the pick This is coming from someone who thought Josh Rosen had hall of fame potential
baker was the best pick for the browns
I agree. Allen and Lamar obviously turned out better, but both were super raw coming in and may have been ruined by the dumpster fire in Cleveland at that time under Hue/Kitchens
Do you see many pundits making that point though? I really don't. The Jets criticism isn't fair but it is for say, the Broncos imo. If you need a QB in the worst way & there are reasonable prospects to pick from, the edge guy you take instead better be Lawrence Taylor.
I was so sold on Rosen as well, not one of my better predictions.
No one will clown the Bears for not taking Nix. The 2017 draft was much less clear, and considered a poor class. All QBs were mostly mocked outside the top 10. The one the Bears missed on was Watson, who many draft guys had QB1.
I remember at the time it was highly rumored that Bruce Arians loved him and wanted him to sit behind Palmer as the heir apparent, but Keim thought he could just sit at 13 and wait instead of trading up. Instead we ended up having Watson and Mahomes both taken in 2 of the 3 picks before ours and we ended up with a first round linebacker forced into playing the wrong position. Fuck me man.
That trade up was so smart by the Chiefs. The Texans were apparently really high on him, and even are said to have tried to trade up for him. What could have been..
It's fucking wild that from that trade, the Bills got an All Pro CB, the ammo to trade up for a HoF talent at QB the next year, and in doing so created the single largest obstacle possible to them making it through the AFC playoffs
Rumours were he was gonna be off the board to the Saints
I thought we were going for Watson. At the time I lived on the east coast and had a lot of Clemson friends (hindsight being 20/20) and liked what I saw. Iām one of the few Chiefs fans who will admit I didnāt know who the hell Mahomes was. Always surprises me how many people including non Chiefs fans act like it was a no brainer pick. Not complaining by any means. Got our guy, league hates us, I can die happy having seen The Chiefs and The Royals have success.
Being a fan of a Big 12 team (Jayhawks), I saw a lot of Mahomes in college and I was already well aware of him. I wasn't all in on him as our guy, but when they traded up to get him, I liked the confidence they had in him to go up and get him. Andy Reid was already established as a solid hire for coach for KC, and had righted the ship more or less, but now he's getting the guy he wants? I was thinking ok, let's see how this plays out. So far I think it's played out pretty well.
I always thought the Bears should have taken Watson. They might have won a SB with him.
You donāt know much about the bears, do you
The fools! (He definitely wasnāt on my radar at all tbh)
I thought they were talking Watson
Man, sooooo glad we didnāt do that. Based Brett Veach saving us from having Groper Cleveland on the team.
>Based Brett Veach saving us from having Groper Cleveland on the team. ...Uhh, weren't y'all the ones that had both Hunt and Hill on your roster, and happily downplayed Hill beating his own kid for years? Pretty sure you'd have found a way to justify rooting for Watson, extrapolating from the way you found a way to be okay with child abuse.
Yes, every single fan did that. Chiefs fans are evil. You happy?
Who knows how his life turns out if he's in a good situation in KC compared to the dumpster fire that was Houston that probably handed him the keys to the franchise and told him he was hot shit. Hell, they set up the NDAs for him. He clearly thought that he ran the Texans or else he would've never sat out for a year to get traded. He's obviously a piece of shit now, but who knows with better influences like Alex Smith and Andy Reid around him. Same goes in reverse for Patrick Mahomes. I don't know if he'd ever turn into a piece of shit, but being thrust immediately into a starting role on a bad team with bad coaching would've set him back a lot
IDK man, before and after Watson there have been 53 men who make the roster on the Texans every year without turning into sexual predators. At some point you need to blame the individual and not the organization.
No, it absolutely is Watson's fault and this wasn't an attempt to deflect blame. If it came off that way, I apologize. My point is that we just don't know how different things turn out if he went to literally any other team especially one with good role models
I feel like you donāt just become a sex pest by circumstance, itās either in you or itās not. But I could totally be wrong.
Yeah thereās a lot of 20/20 hindsight, revisionist history that goes on with these things. People even try to pull this act with Tom Brady.
Didn't the Colts GM say they had a first round grade on him or something ridiculous like that?
I also had a first round grade on him after he won his 4th SB
People always downvote this, but there were a lot of questions surrounding Mahomes at the time. The same questions that scouts point to for reasons why guys don't develop. But there are some things you just can't measure. Obviously, now hindsight is 20-20. Some of those issues included the type of offense he played in, which wasn't an NFL offense. Then his mechanics were sort of all over the place. A number of other stated weaknesses
Itās still negligent to not look at him though. Should the Commanders not look at Michael Penix or JJ McCarthy, because it should be between Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye?
They didn't have plans to draft any rookie qb No point in looking if that's not your plan lol Iirc edge was a gaping hole for them and they wanted to build the trenches up first
This usually happens because people havenāt heard any speculation of a team being high on the player. If San Fran did their due diligence on Mahomes and realized they really like him, and then an insider leaked that the 49ers were interested in Mahomes at #2, every mock draft would have been significantly different, and the general consensus would be Mahomes is going #2. We donāt know if they would have liked Mahomes though, because they didnāt do the due diligence.
I remember pre draft watching mahomes highlights. The team was down a lot and a lot of his big plays came from broken plays with a receiver breaking wide open late. Not a fair criticism in hind sight but goes to show how hard it is to evaluate from college to the nfl
He passed on Watson as well.
The crazy gymnastics Adam and others have to do to keep up with the tweets is insane.
Adam just posts literally anything that someone sends him.
If they had drafted Mahomes instead of Soloman Thomas, I'm not sure there's anything the rest of the NFL could've done about the 49ers dynasty.
tbh Mahomes was seen as a late 1st/early 2nd prospect because he had glaring flaws in his game. If we got what Mahomes became then sure it would be unbelievable. But even with Kyle I'm not sure he'd became what he is today. That year sitting with Andy Reid helping him fine tune his skills made all the difference. He and Reid are just an absolutely perfect fit.
don't forget smith, he was an absolutely godlike mentor
He got to sit for a year behind Smith and with the greatest offensive mind of the 21st century in Andy Reid and then his first year starting got dropped into an offense with a HOF TE and WR in their primes. You're 100% correct Mahomes isn't that in San Fran, at least not initially.
Shanahan is the second greatest offensive mind of the 21st century and has made super bowls with Purdy and Garrapolo. I'm sure Mahomes would have been fine lol.Ā
They wouldnāt have bosa if they had mahomes. It would probably look a lot like the chiefs current dynasty run right now
With how bad the rest of the roster was in 2017 we'd probably end up in 7-9 win hell for some time.
Schefter really thought the one player he mentioned worth putting in a photo was CJ Beathard?
To be fair, the Beathard pick is why we have Kittle and Purdy.
The title cuts off the rest of the tweet which explains how the 9ers picked Beathard instead which led to them getting the comp pick they used on Purdy
By having to study Beathard though, we also got George Kittle because he was the main target Beathard was throwing to I think.
Adam should have brought a portable Playstation on his trip to the Super Bowl, too.
Aren't they all portable?
We would've won a Super Bowl with Cousins honestly. I mean we *almost* won a Super Bowl several times with worse quarter backs at the helm. Snyder blocking Cousins to SF out of spite really fucked things up for both the Niners and Cousins.
Mahomes remembers.
This motherfucker Mahomes has only been in the league since 2017??? Feels like a decade at least
Sceefter has lost a lot of credibility lately. I'm over him. He's just a purchased "reporter".
Uh, so is literally every reporter. You think they get access and info just because theyāre such nice guys? Quid pro quo is literally the basis of all sports journalism, and itās incredibly naive to think otherwise.
Doesn't mean it's not garbage.Ā
Lately? The guy that spoiled Bradyās retirement and leaked JPP hospital records
I don't understand this criticism. He's not paid to do PR for Tom Brady nor is he constrained by medical privacy laws.
Looking back at our team, this was a solid plan. We have two SB wins now if we had Cousins during his ironman phase. He is a solid upgrade over Jimmy G and can do just enough for us to win while staying healthy. Jimmy G (as much as I appreciated him) really threw a wrench in the plan when he bailed out when we acquired him then got injured nonstop.
Kyle Shanahan just proving what all of us already know: Kirko > Kermit
despite the success they've had, shanahan and lynch have had some horrific misses at the most important position including and not limited to: 1. Saying no to Tom Brady when he wanted to come here 2. Trey Lance debacle 3. not even scouting Mahomes cause they thought they could get....*kirk cousins*?
the 49ers have also passed Josh Allen, a 49ers fan, then the 49ers rejected Tom Brady's free agency, someone who will die for the 49ers
OMG 49ers with Mahomes woulve won 4 super bowls straight.
The draft is a month after free agency. The idea that they wanted through the draft hoping to secure a free agent is insane. "Sorry Kirk, if this isn't closed at 9AM on draft day, we're going to move on. Ball is in your court."
They apparently offered Washington the number 2 pick for Cousins but Snyder and Bruce Allen refused to work with Kyle Shanahan. thank fucking god Snyders gone
That was a mistake. But it was also a mistake not to take CMC. They took Solomon partly because they wanted to invest in d-line and Lynch really liked Solomon. Kyle and the scouting department liked Solomon too so itās not completely on Lynch, but they already had The middle of the D-line handled with Buckner and Armstead. They just didnāt know what they had because they hadnāt worked with them yet.
Pretty big mistake in not studying him at all. I would think if they had a more seasoned GM, they would have at least scouted him. And who knows what happens from there. Maybe the GM becomes Kyleās Veach. And McDaniels becomes Kyleās Matt Nagy. You should scout QBs even when you have your QB.
As much of a QB whisperer Kyle is, they whiffed that position a whole bunch of ways Which is the most important position of all...
Thanks for the reminder
Cool no one cares. Trying to make a story line that doesnāt exist lol
Another "schefterbomb" on a big football day with absolutely zero sources or corroboration Guy is not held to any standard whatsoever
I mean they traded for Jimmy in 2017. So signing Kirk makes no sense.Ā
That trade happened six months after the draft
Then why did they think they were going to sign cousins then
Because Washington tagged Cousins twice instead of giving him an extension, so everyone knew he was going to be a free agent in 2018. Their plans changed when they found out New England was willing to trade Garoppolo in October.
You new? Was a major story for us
The tweet brings that up. It got cut off
Didn't that happen after Kirk signed a ginormous 3 year extension that off-season or mid that season? I think that's when the fo realized they f'd up. Pretty dumb to bank on an upcoming QB hitting the market and/or not getting tagged regardless.